Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when. Fortunately it did not go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got nada from the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies from What's My Line though). --R On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were carrying. You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you can see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway if it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
I'm not seeing a Mars Hill in SC, there's one in NC though. Same one? Walt, who had some weird dreams after reading the criticality accident page last night... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when. Fortunately it did not go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got nada from the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies from What's My Line though). --R On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were carrying. You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you can see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway if it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Oops my bad -- Mars Bluff (I knew it was Mars something) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Bluff,_South_Carolina http://www.scetv.org/index.php/carolina_stories/show/incident_at_mars_bluff/ --R On 9/28/2010 9:30 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: I'm not seeing a Mars Hill in SC, there's one in NC though. Same one? Walt, who had some weird dreams after reading the criticality accident page last night... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when. Fortunately it did not go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got nada from the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies from What's My Line though). --R On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were carrying. You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you can see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway if it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Mars Bluff? Wilton - Original Message - From: Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors I'm not seeing a Mars Hill in SC, there's one in NC though. Same one? Walt, who had some weird dreams after reading the criticality accident page last night... On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when. Fortunately it did not go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got nada from the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies from What's My Line though). --R On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were carrying. You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you can see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway if it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Allan Streib wrote: I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were carrying. You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you can see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway if it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Dieselhead wrote: And I have the scars to prove it. Well... Don't leave us all hanging - tell on about the story of the scars. Scars from no science? Scars from no tech back then? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Secret message to mao: You gonna answer the email I sent you off list? Chairman mao wrote: Not much of that type of weird death defying stuff happening today in the realm of what we want to call science. There is no science anymore - it is all indoctrination. Science: you don't get funded unless you parrot what the gummit wants. If you are a highy famous astrophysicist and have the audacity to talk about the real origin of life on your own time, you get run out of tier 1 research universities. It is heresy to show scientific evidence that supports creation or intellegent design. The doctored data proving global warming is exposed as a fraud and the gummit and U.S media ignore it and try to discredit the truth. Faculty plagiarism is encouraged. faculty plagiarists are promoted. irrelevant faculty publishes irrelevant papers in irrelevant publications, created solely so faculty can get and retain tenure. It is like 1984 meets animal house, and all the animals know they are elite people telling themselves all these jingoisms, as humans are mere peasants. The though police are always on patrol. But the peasants will take up their pitchforks eventually and throw the bums out. Dieselhead wrote: And I have the scars to prove it. Well... Don't leave us all hanging - tell on about the story of the scars. Scars from no science? Scars from no tech back then? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Dieselhead wrote: Secret message to mao: You gonna answer the email I sent you off list? I did, I did - yesterday. I marked it OFFLIST so you would see it - you did not see it? I will resend if you don't see it. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: But the peasants will take up their pitchforks eventually and throw the bums out. My cynicism does not allow for that likelihood. I would hope for the same, but I doubt that will occur... ever. Too much control exists in media and other mechanisms of indoctrination to allow any pullback on what has been given / let loose. Lessee - one story I heard today was about Lee Hamilton from IN - retiring back to IN. He expressed a dismal attitude, and he was elected to congress under JFK - seemed like quite the intelligent 79-year-old. He used lines from the Lincoln speech - expressing *if* this union can maintain. Somewhat not unexpected, but sad to hear, and even worse is that I concur with the reality that soo much of the dumb stuff happening today is ruining a nation that at one time used to be called the United States of America. Ha - United? - today? Nope. We cannot fathom the type of unity that caused us to build airplanes in WWII by thousands, to develop LittleBoy (or whatever its name was) in less than 2 years, etc - there ain't no United anywhere today. All for me is the mantra today - sad. Oh, sorry - off my soapbox. This is not politics, as I don't do that anymore. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
I misspoke, it was a sub-critical mass that would release a goop of energy the was measurable on the meters of the day. Still pretty heady stuff for the day. -- Pete Arnold When you get older, you don't regret the things you did in life. You regret the things you didn't do. On 9/25/2010 9:41 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Hm. Still sounds fishy to me. Nuclear fission in a critical mass happens on a timescale that makes the speed of the sphere falling through the donut hole a comparitive eternity. Peter T. Arnoldpm7...@comcast.net writes: I believe that was called, 'Tickling the tigers tail' Method was to take 2 sub critical massed, make a donut from one and a donut hole sphere from the other. Drop the sphere thru the hole on the donut, for an instant you have a critical mass that will peg all the meters. Brilliant young men in the 40's This was Manhattan Project fun and game in the era, makes good reading. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:25:06 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: I believe that was called, 'Tickling the tigers tail' Method was to take 2 sub critical massed, make a donut from one and a donut hole sphere from the other. Drop the sphere thru the hole That doesn't conform to any definition of 'tickling' I'd think of. They did used to do it, or so I understand, but I think it was more like ootching slugs of metal near each other on a table. The donut description is more like that of an active bomb. Not much as a tabletop demonstration! I did some searching on the web and found that it was called, Tickling the dragon's tail. I found lots of references to the 'ootching slugs of metal near each other on a table' experiments that killed two people, the second of which was Louis Slotin. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Slotin. I also found one reference to dropping material through holes. That also lists, in reverse chronological order, all of the criticality accidents to 30 Jan 1968. It's at http://www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/accident/critical.html Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Speaking of which I've got a good '83 616 head and transmission. The bottom end is probably no good having run out of oil... Free for the taking, come and get it. I'd love to have somebody take it so I could observe the removal process. -Curt Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:22:41 -0500 From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors Message-ID: aanlktikvhu+l-trajmowj4oaqzqkraif8uo2eertq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dieselhead wrote: ?Then I can start on the 2 OM616 engines, hoping to make one that will propel the 80 4 speed. 123 240D (UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE ME A OM602 Bring a trailer here and take the '81 engine here? It was a good runner when rust put it on the sidelines. And, rust will take it to the recycle, sooner rather than later to appease the woman here. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Craig wrote: Actually, there were two incidents of that, though not exactly as described. Ever since, it has been mandatory to do those types of experiments remotely (like 1/4 mile away) with machines doing the moving of material together. Yeah - and what about fatboy over Hiroshima? That had to be one frightening flight in an old airplane. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Yeah - and what about fatboy over Hiroshima? That had to be one frightening flight in an old airplane. Hiroshima got Little Boy and Nagasaki got Fat Man I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Allan wrote: Hiroshima got Little Boy and Nagasaki got Fat Man I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Thanks for the names - you got the idea... I thought at one time I heard an account that spoke about the percussion wave that they expected to emanate from the blast, meaning the airplane needed to scoot real quick in the opposite direction, sharp bank, climb high, etc. I also wonder if there was a donut hole that someone had to drop the donut hole in, then drop it out the bomb bay. Some crude tech by today's experience - but hey - it got the job done. Not much of that type of weird death defying stuff happening today in the realm of what we want to call science. There is no science anymore - it is all indoctrination. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
THe B29s were pretty new at the time, not old. But I think you mean old to us now. in the link I posted a week ago about Jack Shelley, there was a link to the recordings of theinterviews Jack did with the crew of the Enola Gay, who dropped the Hiroshima bomb, and with the Nagasaki crew, and with some of the nuclear scientists in the pacific with the bombs. Very interesting. If you can't find the link, let me know it was from the des moines register (holding nose) Yeah - and what about fatboy over Hiroshima? That had to be one frightening flight in an old airplane. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
They were told what to expect when and after it went off. Probably were told is was a really powerful bomb that was hoped to end the war and save lives. It was, and it did. To the plane crew, it was pretty much just another day at work, until later when they learned what it was and what it did. But then it is done. No undoing it. no redos. Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes: Yeah - and what about fatboy over Hiroshima? That had to be one frightening flight in an old airplane. Hiroshima got Little Boy and Nagasaki got Fat Man I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Some crude tech by today's experience - but hey - it got the job done. Not much of that type of weird death defying stuff happening today in the realm of what we want to call science. There is no science anymore - it is all indoctrination. mao And I have the scars to prove it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
Fairly new airplane then; probably less than a year old. ;))) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors Craig wrote: Actually, there were two incidents of that, though not exactly as described. Ever since, it has been mandatory to do those types of experiments remotely (like 1/4 mile away) with machines doing the moving of material together. Yeah - and what about fatboy over Hiroshima? That had to be one frightening flight in an old airplane. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
No climb (already at high altitude); turn for 55 seconds after release while bomb continues forward; roll out tail to burst; hold it straight and level until shock wave passes. I think at least one of them was a cannon-type weapon - a gun or cannon-type apparatus fired one component into close proximity with the other to create critical mass (detonation); spherical shape of high explosive detonated around it also concentrated critical mass by implosion. (Oversimplified and generally) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors Allan wrote: Hiroshima got Little Boy and Nagasaki got Fat Man I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than a really big bomb Thanks for the names - you got the idea... I thought at one time I heard an account that spoke about the percussion wave that they expected to emanate from the blast, meaning the airplane needed to scoot real quick in the opposite direction, sharp bank, climb high, etc. I also wonder if there was a donut hole that someone had to drop the donut hole in, then drop it out the bomb bay. Some crude tech by today's experience - but hey - it got the job done. Not much of that type of weird death defying stuff happening today in the realm of what we want to call science. There is no science anymore - it is all indoctrination. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
SWIMBO surprised me. She snagged some used doors. I was happy because I had found homes for all the used doors I had collected over time. Now I have 3 more very heavy doors to move store and try to find a home for. But, these doors have an interesting history. They are connected to the Manhattan project. Thus the glow in the dark reference. Part of the Manhattan project was to find a way to refine uranium to sufficient purity. That was done at a national lab located at a university. It involved a lot of chemists and physicists. to house all these chemists and physicists, they built a 3 story link building between the chemistry building and the physics building. This became the offices for the highest ranking members of the project, like Dr. Wilhelm. The link also housed a special library, and relevant parts of the university library were moved there, so the scientists could have easy access to the books. It was later renamed the Physical Sciences Reading Room. The doors she snagged are the Physical Sciences reading room doors. A double set with glass panels and a book drop, and the door from the opposite end. SWIMBO want to use them in our retirement house to build a library an use these doors. No actual refining was done in this link building, so the doors never did glow in the dark. Later Nuclear Engineering moved to a separate building, the National Lab offices moved to the renamed Wilhelm Hall, and later to a new building with the acronym TASF. The link building became overflow for otherwise homeless faculty. Now the Physical Sciences Reading room is being remodeled into something else, so the old doors were being tossed. The term Glow in the Dark was actually invented in 1944 as part of the refining. The actual refining was done in a wood temporary building on the east side of campus. Nobody living knows what went on in there, but it was always said that if you went by at night, there was a strange glow coming from the building. You could see the glow through the wood. That was the only temporary building that didn't stand for 40 years. When I built my house in 1980, we used all new doors in the house, but when I finished the basement a couple of years later, I used scrounged doors with stories. The bathroom door came from the house I lived in through college. It was framed with elm that my Granpa had cut during the depression. I had double doors leading into the shop that SWIMBOs dad scrounged in Milwaukee. The double doors to the outside were from the 1909 remodel of the church my mother went to growing up. Her ancestors were in on founding the church in 1832. Unfortunately we had to leave that house after only 8 years. So, Glow in the Dark doors are a logical progression I guess. Just have to find a way to store them until we retire and find/build that retirement home ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
That's a great story for Sat morning. Just think, not only would you save on lighting bills, but heating bills as well! --R On 9/25/2010 10:44 AM, Dieselhead wrote: SWIMBO surprised me. She snagged some used doors. I was happy because I had found homes for all the used doors I had collected over time. Now I have 3 more very heavy doors to move store and try to find a home for. But, these doors have an interesting history. They are connected to the Manhattan project. Thus the glow in the dark reference. Part of the Manhattan project was to find a way to refine uranium to sufficient purity. That was done at a national lab located at a university. It involved a lot of chemists and physicists. to house all these chemists and physicists, they built a 3 story link building between the chemistry building and the physics building. This became the offices for the highest ranking members of the project, like Dr. Wilhelm. The link also housed a special library, and relevant parts of the university library were moved there, so the scientists could have easy access to the books. It was later renamed the Physical Sciences Reading Room. The doors she snagged are the Physical Sciences reading room doors. A double set with glass panels and a book drop, and the door from the opposite end. SWIMBO want to use them in our retirement house to build a library an use these doors. No actual refining was done in this link building, so the doors never did glow in the dark. Later Nuclear Engineering moved to a separate building, the National Lab offices moved to the renamed Wilhelm Hall, and later to a new building with the acronym TASF. The link building became overflow for otherwise homeless faculty. Now the Physical Sciences Reading room is being remodeled into something else, so the old doors were being tossed. The term Glow in the Dark was actually invented in 1944 as part of the refining. The actual refining was done in a wood temporary building on the east side of campus. Nobody living knows what went on in there, but it was always said that if you went by at night, there was a strange glow coming from the building. You could see the glow through the wood. That was the only temporary building that didn't stand for 40 years. When I built my house in 1980, we used all new doors in the house, but when I finished the basement a couple of years later, I used scrounged doors with stories. The bathroom door came from the house I lived in through college. It was framed with elm that my Granpa had cut during the depression. I had double doors leading into the shop that SWIMBOs dad scrounged in Milwaukee. The double doors to the outside were from the 1909 remodel of the church my mother went to growing up. Her ancestors were in on founding the church in 1832. Unfortunately we had to leave that house after only 8 years. So, Glow in the Dark doors are a logical progression I guess. Just have to find a way to store them until we retire and find/build that retirement home ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:44:32 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: But, these doors have an interesting history. They are connected to the Manhattan project. Thus the glow in the dark reference. Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. Nobody living knows what went on in there, but it was always said that if you went by at night, there was a strange glow coming from the building. You could see the glow through the wood. That's an interesting story, too, though hardly believable. So, Glow in the Dark doors are a logical progression I guess. Just have to find a way to store them until we retire and find/build that retirement home It's interesting that your wife is wanting to hang on to things. Usually the wife is the one who wants to get rid of them. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know we have a few Nukes guys here. Anyone work on a CE reactor? Please contact me of list as I have a piece of memorabilia that may be of interest, very cheap. -- Pete Arnold Faith is knowing there is an ocean because you have see a brook. -William Arthur Ward- On 9/25/2010 12:13 PM, Craig wrote: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:44:32 -0500 Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: But, these doors have an interesting history. They are connected to the Manhattan project. Thus the glow in the dark reference. Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. Nobody living knows what went on in there, but it was always said that if you went by at night, there was a strange glow coming from the building. You could see the glow through the wood. That's an interesting story, too, though hardly believable. So, Glow in the Dark doors are a logical progression I guess. Just have to find a way to store them until we retire and find/build that retirement home It's interesting that your wife is wanting to hang on to things. Usually the wife is the one who wants to get rid of them. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 09:44:32 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: But, these doors have an interesting history. They are connected to the Manhattan project. Thus the glow in the dark reference. Interesting story. Thanks for sharing. I figured it was a good bit of story for a Saturday, and the AMAZING part is it was SWMBO's idea! Nobody living knows what went on in there, but it was always said that if you went by at night, there was a strange glow coming from the building. You could see the glow through the wood. That's an interesting story, too, though hardly believable. That is what I thought the first time also. But over the years I have heard it from many people who were first hand witnesses, so I tend to believe it. at least weird light and coming through cracks in the walls. One of my Alumni Marching Band friends is the daughter of Dr. Wilhelm. She is about as credible of a source as anyone still alive now. She was a teenager or in college at the time. So, Glow in the Dark doors are a logical progression I guess. Just have to find a way to store them until we retire and find/build that retirement home It's interesting that your wife is wanting to hang on to things. Usually the wife is the one who wants to get rid of them. Yeah, I was shocked. Especially since we have both been happy that over the summer I have used up doors and lumber I have had stashed in the garage for years. I really don't want them, but she dreamed up this library idea. She's been watching too many BBC shows I guess. (and reading 84 Charing Cross road too many times) IF your local Libary has the dvds of the BBC program The English R.M. TV show, I highly recommend it. It is a hilarious weaving of english customs, Irish customs, Blarney, cons, horses, hunting and true history. And of course we have been watching Rumpole, the origin of SWMBO. My wife finally figured out what Rumpole was muttering this summer. She Who Must BE Obeyed! That was interesting! If I can ever get my handrail built to finish the 2001 addition to the house done, I will have more junk out of the garage. The goal is to consolidate, inventory and organize all the MB parts I have scattered all over creation. Then I can start on the 2 OM616 engines, hoping to make one that will propel the 80 4 speed. 123 240D (UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE ME A OM602 TURBO IN THE MEANTIME) KALEB... WHAT WAS THAT YOU SAID ABOUT THINNING THE HERD? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 14:39:07 -0500 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I figured it was a good bit of story for a Saturday, and the AMAZING part is it was SWMBO's idea! Hang on to her. That is what I thought the first time also. But over the years I have heard it from many people who were first hand witnesses, so I tend to believe it. at least weird light and coming through cracks in the walls. You could get wierd light coming through the walls and not cracks, but the radiation level would be so high no one anywhere near would not live for long. IF your local Libary has the dvds of the BBC program The English R.M. TV show, I highly recommend it. It is a hilarious weaving of english customs, Irish customs, Blarney, cons, horses, hunting and true history. I'll have to look that up. Then I can start on the 2 OM616 engines, hoping to make one that will propel the 80 4 speed. 123 240D (UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE ME A OM602 TURBO IN THE MEANTIME) I have an OM616 that was running when I took it out of our '82 240D to replace the broken auto transmission with a stick shift and replace the OM616 with an OM617 to turn it into a 240D/3.0. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: Then I can start on the 2 OM616 engines, hoping to make one that will propel the 80 4 speed. 123 240D (UNLESS SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE ME A OM602 Bring a trailer here and take the '81 engine here? It was a good runner when rust put it on the sidelines. And, rust will take it to the recycle, sooner rather than later to appease the woman here. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to work with a guy who claimed to have worked at one of the nuke labs back in the 50s. Someone in a class was demonstrating what happens when you bring 2 pieces of some element (plutonium maybe, I forget that detail) together closer and closer. The idea was that the count would go higher and higher, then you move the pieces away from each other, and watch the count as that process happens. Unfortunately in some fashion the pieces got too close together, someone not in the room saw a bright blue flash, and had an idea what had happened. Once they were able to get in there, all the people in the room were dead from the radiation. It might be ByoolShytte, but it was a good story. --R On 9/25/2010 5:41 PM, Craig wrote: You could get wierd light coming through the walls and not cracks, but the radiation level would be so high no one anywhere near would not live for long. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
I believe that was called, 'Tickling the tigers tail' Method was to take 2 sub critical massed, make a donut from one and a donut hole sphere from the other. Drop the sphere thru the hole on the donut, for an instant you have a critical mass that will peg all the meters. Brilliant young men in the 40's This was Manhattan Project fun and game in the era, makes good reading. -- Pete Arnold ‹(•¿•)› 2007 HHR '95 F-250 P.S.D. 235Kmi Looking at used D/P Member of Escapees National Camping Travelers, A Masonic Family Camping Club On 9/25/2010 8:36 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I used to work with a guy who claimed to have worked at one of the nuke labs back in the 50s. Someone in a class was demonstrating what happens when you bring 2 pieces of some element (plutonium maybe, I forget that detail) together closer and closer. The idea was that the count would go higher and higher, then you move the pieces away from each other, and watch the count as that process happens. Unfortunately in some fashion the pieces got too close together, someone not in the room saw a bright blue flash, and had an idea what had happened. Once they were able to get in there, all the people in the room were dead from the radiation. It might be ByoolShytte, but it was a good story. --R On 9/25/2010 5:41 PM, Craig wrote: You could get wierd light coming through the walls and not cracks, but the radiation level would be so high no one anywhere near would not live for long. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hm. Still sounds fishy to me. Nuclear fission in a critical mass happens on a timescale that makes the speed of the sphere falling through the donut hole a comparitive eternity. Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net writes: I believe that was called, 'Tickling the tigers tail' Method was to take 2 sub critical massed, make a donut from one and a donut hole sphere from the other. Drop the sphere thru the hole on the donut, for an instant you have a critical mass that will peg all the meters. Brilliant young men in the 40's This was Manhattan Project fun and game in the era, makes good reading. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:36:34 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I used to work with a guy who claimed to have worked at one of the nuke labs back in the 50s. Someone in a class was demonstrating what happens when you bring 2 pieces of some element (plutonium maybe, I forget that detail) together closer and closer. The idea was that the count would go higher and higher, then you move the pieces away from each other, and watch the count as that process happens. Unfortunately in some fashion the pieces got too close together, someone not in the room saw a bright blue flash, and had an idea what had happened. Once they were able to get in there, all the people in the room were dead from the radiation. Actually, there were two incidents of that, though not exactly as described. Ever since, it has been mandatory to do those types of experiments remotely (like 1/4 mile away) with machines doing the moving of material together. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:41:40 -0400 Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Hm. Still sounds fishy to me. Nuclear fission in a critical mass happens on a timescale that makes the speed of the sphere falling through the donut hole a comparitive eternity. Nevertheless, it was done, and it was indeed called Tickling the tigers tail. The speed of reaction depends upon how close to critical you are. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors
I believe that was called, 'Tickling the tigers tail' Method was to take 2 sub critical massed, make a donut from one and a donut hole sphere from the other. Drop the sphere thru the hole That doesn't conform to any definition of 'tickling' I'd think of. They did used to do it, or so I understand, but I think it was more like ootching slugs of metal near each other on a table. The donut description is more like that of an active bomb. Not much as a tabletop demonstration! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
