Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
you would easily fit in a MGB - not sure about the later ones but the pre 74 models have very deep leg areas. A friend tried on my 66 B for size and within a week had bought one - he was 6'6. Just don't expect too much refinement in a MGB vs a Miata - but there was a hierarchy of sports cars from the 60s - let's see if my memory will work today; (this oughta start some arguments) ;-) 1st - MG Midgets and AH Sprites 2nd - TR 3s and 4s 3rd MGB 4 - TR6 5 - Alfa 1600 Duetto (the Graduate car) 6 - mid 60s Stingray 7 XKE 8 911 9 230/250/280SL 10 - the various Italian exotic stuff... -- The MGBs and TR4s were equal in many people's eyes. -- #'s 6,7, 8 9 were usually interchangable although the 911 MBs build quality usually put them on top although the MBs performance was inferior. That was tempered by the StingRay's ease of mechanical repair (and parts cost). But the 911 was usually twice the cost of the StringRay - The various Lotus' were in there somewhere between 5 and 8 depending on model. All IMO of course Let the Shouting Begin! ;-) Sincerely, LarryT 91 300D On 12/24/2013 7:28 PM, OK Don wrote: Lose the top all together! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I can't fit in a Miata - I'm too tall. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
I know I fit in an MG and an Austin Healey, as I've ridden or driven both. A real b*tch to get in and out of for someone my height, but I fit, none the less. Dan On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Larry T wrote: you would easily fit in a MGB - not sure about the later ones but the pre 74 models have very deep leg areas. A friend tried on my 66 B for size and within a week had bought one - he was 6'6. Just don't expect too much refinement in a MGB vs a Miata - but there was a hierarchy of sports cars from the 60s - let's see if my memory will work today; (this oughta start some arguments) ;-) 1st - MG Midgets and AH Sprites 2nd - TR 3s and 4s 3rd MGB 4 - TR6 5 - Alfa 1600 Duetto (the Graduate car) 6 - mid 60s Stingray 7 XKE 8 911 9 230/250/280SL 10 - the various Italian exotic stuff... -- The MGBs and TR4s were equal in many people's eyes. -- #'s 6,7, 8 9 were usually interchangable although the 911 MBs build quality usually put them on top although the MBs performance was inferior. That was tempered by the StingRay's ease of mechanical repair (and parts cost). But the 911 was usually twice the cost of the StringRay - The various Lotus' were in there somewhere between 5 and 8 depending on model. All IMO of course Let the Shouting Begin! ;-) Sincerely, LarryT 91 300D On 12/24/2013 7:28 PM, OK Don wrote: Lose the top all together! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I can't fit in a Miata - I'm too tall. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Yeah, there's always that. ;-) Probably best with the tops down too Sincerely, Larry On 12/25/2013 7:32 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: I know I fit in an MG and an Austin Healey, as I've ridden or driven both. A real b*tch to get in and out of for someone my height, but I fit, none the less. Dan On Dec 25, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Larry T wrote: you would easily fit in a MGB - not sure about the later ones but the pre 74 models have very deep leg areas. A friend tried on my 66 B for size and within a week had bought one - he was 6'6. Just don't expect too much refinement in a MGB vs a Miata - but there was a hierarchy of sports cars from the 60s - let's see if my memory will work today; (this oughta start some arguments) ;-) 1st - MG Midgets and AH Sprites 2nd - TR 3s and 4s 3rd MGB 4 - TR6 5 - Alfa 1600 Duetto (the Graduate car) 6 - mid 60s Stingray 7 XKE 8 911 9 230/250/280SL 10 - the various Italian exotic stuff... -- The MGBs and TR4s were equal in many people's eyes. -- #'s 6,7, 8 9 were usually interchangable although the 911 MBs build quality usually put them on top although the MBs performance was inferior. That was tempered by the StingRay's ease of mechanical repair (and parts cost). But the 911 was usually twice the cost of the StringRay - The various Lotus' were in there somewhere between 5 and 8 depending on model. All IMO of course Let the Shouting Begin! ;-) Sincerely, LarryT 91 300D On 12/24/2013 7:28 PM, OK Don wrote: Lose the top all together! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I can't fit in a Miata - I'm too tall. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Scored an R129!
Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
i think everyone in life needs an open car On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
cool! Now remind me again why and how you got set on getting a 129? I have thought off and on about a late 107 or 129 of some sort. On 12/24/2013 10:56 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6946 - Release Date: 12/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
cause it's fast and new enough to make poos the coolest guy in all of lakeland On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: cool! Now remind me again why and how you got set on getting a 129? I have thought off and on about a late 107 or 129 of some sort. On 12/24/2013 10:56 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6946 - Release Date: 12/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Which is saying a lot. On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: cause it's fast and new enough to make poos the coolest guy in all of lakeland On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: cool! Now remind me again why and how you got set on getting a 129? I have thought off and on about a late 107 or 129 of some sort. On 12/24/2013 10:56 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6946 - Release Date: 12/24/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.buyeuroparts.com/ http://www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.buyeuroparts.com/* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
It would matter if I lived in Lakeland, which is a good 30 miles away. For now I'll just be the coolest guy in all of Valrico. On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Which is saying a lot. On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: cause it's fast and new enough to make poos the coolest guy in all of lakeland ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
yes, my slander against anything east of brandon is that it is lakeland and not tampa. poor penoff endures it gracefully. johnny B is not that far from you, btw. i forget the town he is in but somewhere north of sebring around that area On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: It would matter if I lived in Lakeland, which is a good 30 miles away. For now I'll just be the coolest guy in all of Valrico. On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Which is saying a lot. On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: cause it's fast and new enough to make poos the coolest guy in all of lakeland ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
I love my W140, and am very comfortable with the systems. It's been a great car and very reliable. While it would be nice to have another W140, I really want a convertible to take advantage of the climate here. Prices on W107s are stupid, and you have the dated technology that goes with them. They are nice cars, but I wanted something more affordable and something I am comfortable working on and repairing. Early R129s are kind of simple and plain, IMHO. The systems aren't as nice and sophisticated as the 94 and later (facelift models). 96 and later have a 5 speed tranny as opposed to the 4 speed, and also aren't susceptible to the two big issues in earlier models - self-destructing wiring harnesses and failing evaporators. With the budget I have I didn't expect to find a 96 or later, so this was a real blessing in disguise. Thanks to Kaleb's help with a Carfax and some assistance from a friend who has access to the California DMV (where this car was originally sold) I was able to put together the history in great detail. My parts buddy at MB of Tampa got me access to the service history, which was the icing on the cake, so to speak. Top hydraulics will cost me around $600 for a full set of 12 rebuilt cylinders. Oil tubes, if it needs them, will set me back about $250 - $300. O2 sensors might be needed, although I'm convinced that the lifter tick and O2 issues are probably due to the lack of use (less than 3k miles in the last 4 years.) Hard top headliner is an easy DIY repair that costs about $100 for material and glue. A good Saturday project and not one that's critical to the operation of the car. I'll get all the fluids and filters changed out and drive it for a bit before I make any changes. I'll hit the hydraulics in January after I get my vacation/sick days payout from the school district. It looks like it could use some brakes, so I'll take them on in January as well. Again, thanks to Kaleb for the Carfax! Dan On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: cool! Now remind me again why and how you got set on getting a 129? I have thought off and on about a late 107 or 129 of some sort. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
i'd still rather have a jeepster On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I love my W140, and am very comfortable with the systems. It's been a great car and very reliable. While it would be nice to have another W140, I really want a convertible to take advantage of the climate here. Prices on W107s are stupid, and you have the dated technology that goes with them. They are nice cars, but I wanted something more affordable and something I am comfortable working on and repairing. Early R129s are kind of simple and plain, IMHO. The systems aren't as nice and sophisticated as the 94 and later (facelift models). 96 and later have a 5 speed tranny as opposed to the 4 speed, and also aren't susceptible to the two big issues in earlier models - self-destructing wiring harnesses and failing evaporators. With the budget I have I didn't expect to find a 96 or later, so this was a real blessing in disguise. Thanks to Kaleb's help with a Carfax and some assistance from a friend who has access to the California DMV (where this car was originally sold) I was able to put together the history in great detail. My parts buddy at MB of Tampa got me access to the service history, which was the icing on the cake, so to speak. Top hydraulics will cost me around $600 for a full set of 12 rebuilt cylinders. Oil tubes, if it needs them, will set me back about $250 - $300. O2 sensors might be needed, although I'm convinced that the lifter tick and O2 issues are probably due to the lack of use (less than 3k miles in the last 4 years.) Hard top headliner is an easy DIY repair that costs about $100 for material and glue. A good Saturday project and not one that's critical to the operation of the car. I'll get all the fluids and filters changed out and drive it for a bit before I make any changes. I'll hit the hydraulics in January after I get my vacation/sick days payout from the school district. It looks like it could use some brakes, so I'll take them on in January as well. Again, thanks to Kaleb for the Carfax! Dan On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: cool! Now remind me again why and how you got set on getting a 129? I have thought off and on about a late 107 or 129 of some sort. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
That's fine, Doesn't matter to me. Sebring is a ways from me, despite looking close on the map. I would be interested to know exactly where he lives if you know for sure. Dan On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: yes, my slander against anything east of brandon is that it is lakeland and not tampa. poor penoff endures it gracefully. johnny B is not that far from you, btw. i forget the town he is in but somewhere north of sebring around that area ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
lake wales On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: That's fine, Doesn't matter to me. Sebring is a ways from me, despite looking close on the map. I would be interested to know exactly where he lives if you know for sure. Dan On Dec 24, 2013, at 12:26 PM, Gary Hurst wrote: yes, my slander against anything east of brandon is that it is lakeland and not tampa. poor penoff endures it gracefully. johnny B is not that far from you, btw. i forget the town he is in but somewhere north of sebring around that area ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
ATTABOY! Right exterior color, anyway. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:56 AM Subject: [MBZ] Scored an R129! Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Not I; don't even need (nor want) one with a multithou-$ factory hole in the top.. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129! i think everyone in life needs an open car On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Congrats! Enjoy! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 8:57 AM To: Mercedes List Subject: [MBZ] Scored an R129! Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
I'll never forgive my friend Dave for selling his Miata without letting me have a crack at it. His was black on black, early car with the flip up headlights. I just barely fit although my head did rub the roof occasionally. What a fun car to drive. Want the top up? Reach back and grab it and put it up. Want it down? Release two latches and put it down. I love that. Someday I want an early Miata. Actually I'd really like an MG but I think the Miata would be better to live with. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:20:28 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129! Message-ID: 762439BC06CA45638FA6DA407626D8AE@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Not I; don't even need (nor want) one with a multithou-$ factory hole in the top.. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129! i think everyone in life needs an open car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Sounds great, congrats Dan! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Woo-hoo! Just made a deal on a 1997 SL500. The good, the bad, the ugly: Good: Red with black interior 40th Anniversary Edition (according to VIN) 71,000 miles Body is near perfect Interior is very good condition Soft top is as new Bad: Top hydraulics need replacement Oil tube or tubes possibly bad on right side of engine (slight single lifter tick) Aftermarket radio (owner has original Becker) CEL is on with code for O2 sensor Ugly: Hard top headliner gone, will need to replace Rebuilt title (car was totaled in 2007 due to front end damage, rebuilt by local dealer) Price: $5000 Some observations: According to the VIN this is a 40th Anniversary model. However, it has trunk badging, which the 40th Anniversary models were not supposed to have. I can only assume that this was installed in the past when there was a rear end damage noted in the DMV reports from the original owner. I'm torn as to whether or not I should leave it on the car or not. Lifter tick could very well be due to lack of use. The car has been driven less than 3000 miles in the last 4 years, so it's sat a lot. I'll drain the engine and refill with the required Mobil1 0W40 as soon as I get it and drive a little while to see if the tick goes away. Thanks to Klaus at Top Hydraulics and others it looks like the top controller is probably OK. The window drop feature does work, meaning that the system is probably synchronized. However, the PO has operated the top manually, meaning that they probably upset the system at some point and invoked the safeties, I suspect. There was some beeping when I started the car, which I believe was due to the top system complaining. I was able to raise the roll bar using the switch on the console, however, this apparently pressurized the system, which caused the leaking cylinders in the top of the windshield frame to leak hydraulic fluid out the trim covers of the windshield corners. This also leads me to believe that the hydraulic system is probably OK but needs to be sorted out. I'm figuring about $2k worth of repairs (parts) will be necessary to get it completely sorted out, after which I should have a very nice, 100% working SL500. I take delivery on Thursday. What a great Christmas present! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
There is a guy in my neighborhood with an unrestored TR3. He was out driving it the other day, and passed me in my W140. While I'm sure it would be a fun car, I just sat there in my W140 thinking about how quiet and comfortable I was...and safe. Dan On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I'll never forgive my friend Dave for selling his Miata without letting me have a crack at it. His was black on black, early car with the flip up headlights. I just barely fit although my head did rub the roof occasionally. What a fun car to drive. Want the top up? Reach back and grab it and put it up. Want it down? Release two latches and put it down. I love that. Someday I want an early Miata. Actually I'd really like an MG but I think the Miata would be better to live with. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
The Alfa spider has a very easy top to put up and down. Can be done while driving. Also a blast to drive. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll never forgive my friend Dave for selling his Miata without letting me have a crack at it. His was black on black, early car with the flip up headlights. I just barely fit although my head did rub the roof occasionally. What a fun car to drive. Want the top up? Reach back and grab it and put it up. Want it down? Release two latches and put it down. I love that. Someday I want an early Miata. Actually I'd really like an MG but I think the Miata would be better to live with. -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 13:20:28 -0500 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129! Message-ID: 762439BC06CA45638FA6DA407626D8AE@wiltonPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Not I; don't even need (nor want) one with a multithou-$ factory hole in the top.. Wilton - Original Message - From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129! i think everyone in life needs an open car ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
I'm digging my A209top down two days in a row. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Wazzat? On Dec 24, 2013 5:09 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: I'm digging my A209top down two days in a row. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
It's finally cooled down here. Record heat (mid 80s) the last 4-5 days. Cold front went through last night so now it's in the 70s. Dan On Dec 24, 2013, at 5:09 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: I'm digging my A209top down two days in a row. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
CLK350 Cabriolet. It is a blast. Quite different from the 1980 240D. Bob R On Dec 24, 2013 3:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Wazzat? On Dec 24, 2013 5:09 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: I'm digging my A209top down two days in a row. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Yup, IIRC, the Alfa and possibly the Fiat 124 Spyder had one handed tops. The British roadsters were more of a pain to operate, at least up through the TR4, MGB. Having owned and worked on MGs and Triumphs in the '60s and early '70s, and my son having borrowed a mid-series Miata this summer, I can say that the Miata is both more fun to drive, and a much more refined automobile. An older MG is more like a stripped down 240D (with no AC or power anything) that you have to tune every weekend and repair frequently. Don't even count on the elecrtical system working! Wilton, there is a big difference between a hole in the roof, and having no roof at all! Much better without a roof than having a hole in one - BTDT. On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The Alfa spider has a very easy top to put up and down. Can be done while driving. Also a blast to drive. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll never forgive my friend Dave for selling his Miata without letting me have a crack at it. His was black on black, early car with the flip up headlights. I just barely fit although my head did rub the roof occasionally. What a fun car to drive. Want the top up? Reach back and grab it and put it up. Want it down? Release two latches and put it down. I love that. Someday I want an early Miata. Actually I'd really like an MG but I think the Miata would be better to live with. -Curt -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
I can't fit in a Miata - I'm too tall. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 24, 2013, at 5:33 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Yup, IIRC, the Alfa and possibly the Fiat 124 Spyder had one handed tops. The British roadsters were more of a pain to operate, at least up through the TR4, MGB. Having owned and worked on MGs and Triumphs in the '60s and early '70s, and my son having borrowed a mid-series Miata this summer, I can say that the Miata is both more fun to drive, and a much more refined automobile. An older MG is more like a stripped down 240D (with no AC or power anything) that you have to tune every weekend and repair frequently. Don't even count on the elecrtical system working! Wilton, there is a big difference between a hole in the roof, and having no roof at all! Much better without a roof than having a hole in one - BTDT. On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 3:59 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The Alfa spider has a very easy top to put up and down. Can be done while driving. Also a blast to drive. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'll never forgive my friend Dave for selling his Miata without letting me have a crack at it. His was black on black, early car with the flip up headlights. I just barely fit although my head did rub the roof occasionally. What a fun car to drive. Want the top up? Reach back and grab it and put it up. Want it down? Release two latches and put it down. I love that. Someday I want an early Miata. Actually I'd really like an MG but I think the Miata would be better to live with. -Curt -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Scored an R129!
Lose the top all together! On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I can't fit in a Miata - I'm too tall. Dan -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
