Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

_Loops_ are the big problem.  That, and the assumption that _any_ conductor
is even remotely perfect.  Especially dirt.  These factors are negligible in 
'ideal'
circumstances, and crucial/deadly in non-ideal circumstances.  Codes are the
way they are for very good reasons.

Lightning is about as non-ideal as it gets.  (Something to do with millions
of volts, backed by millions of amps...  Vaporization a specialty.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > OK Don wrote:
> > 
> > All the ground connections in/around the house should be
> > bonded - connected together with large low impedance wire to
> > minimize/eliminate "ground loops". Basically keeping them all
> > at the same potential.

> Dan wrote:

> True, but that ground should be at a single point, not multiple
> points.

Multiple rods is okay.  Even multiple points - so long as they are
all only connected to each other and the main service entrance
ground connects to the rod array in ONE place.  I think that is
what Don is talking about.  Especially in low-conductive soil,
multiple rods can be needed.

> Hence the chastising for driving a ground rod at the AC unit.
> That would conflict with the ground that should already exist at
> the service entrance.

A ground rod at the AC unit is fine - so long is it isn't
connected to the power at the AC unit!  It should only be
connected to other ground rods.

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

True, but that ground should be at a single point, not multiple points.

Hence the chastising for driving a ground rod at the AC unit. That would 
conflict with the ground that should already exist at the service entrance.

-D

> On Jul 26, 2019, at 12:36 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> All the ground connections in/around the house should be bonded - connected
> together with large low impedance wire to minimize/eliminate "ground
> loops". Basically keeping them all at the same potential.
> 
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 7:17 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Generally speaking, the power goes to the outdoor unit, which is connected
>> to the indoor unit via 3+G strand Romex, which handles both power and
>> communications.
>> It's possible that the three wires are two for blower power and one for
>> computer signal. There's some argument whether the outdoor unit should be
>> earth grounded. I drove a ground rod for the first one I installed and was
>> told not to do that, so I didn't do that again, didn't have trouble either
>> way.
>> 
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
> "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
> 
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> 2013 F150, 18 mpg
> 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Mitch Haley via Mercedes  writes:

> There's some argument whether the outdoor unit should be earth
> grounded. I drove a ground rod for the first one I installed and was
> told not to do that, so I didn't do that again, didn't have trouble
> either way.

I think the idea is that all the earth and neutral bonding for an
electrical service should be at one point, the main service panel. If
you have other bonding points you can wind up with return current
flowing on the ground wire and possibly energizing appliance or
equipemnt surfaces that are connected to ground.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[OK Don via Mercedes]

All the ground connections in/around the house should be bonded - connected
together with large low impedance wire to minimize/eliminate "ground
loops". Basically keeping them all at the same potential.

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 7:17 AM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Generally speaking, the power goes to the outdoor unit, which is connected
> to the indoor unit via 3+G strand Romex, which handles both power and
> communications.
> It's possible that the three wires are two for blower power and one for
> computer signal. There's some argument whether the outdoor unit should be
> earth grounded. I drove a ground rod for the first one I installed and was
> told not to do that, so I didn't do that again, didn't have trouble either
> way.
>
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>
-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 26, 2019 at 12:33 AM fmiser via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I don't know enough about the system, but it sounds like there are
> two pieces and the fried controller is connected to the distant
> part?

Generally speaking, the power goes to the outdoor unit, which is connected to 
the indoor unit via 3+G strand Romex, which handles both power and 
communications. 
It's possible that the three wires are two for blower power and one for 
computer signal. There's some argument whether the outdoor unit should be earth 
grounded. I drove a ground rod for the first one I installed and was told not 
to do that, so I didn't do that again, didn't have trouble either way.

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:33:38 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don't know enough about the system, but it sounds like there are
> two pieces and the fried controller is connected to the distant
> part?
> 
> This gets into "network system TVS" 
> 
> L-Com may make something suitable.
> http://www.l-com.com/surge-protector-ac-dc-control-line-protectors

You amaze me Philip.

Remind me again of your background, how all this fits in with driving
trucks, et al.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Buggered wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to
> > > power hits. Other than that they have been great. It’s my
> > > understanding that Mitsubishi is the best, whatever that

> > Curley wrote:
> >
> > Wouldn't it make sense to put some form of surge suppressor on
> > the line to the control board?

> Craig wrote
> 
> Yes, but those are harder to find and specify ...

I don't know enough about the system, but it sounds like there are
two pieces and the fried controller is connected to the distant
part?

This gets into "network system TVS".  When two or more items are
connected to power _and_ connected to each other there is
opportunity for trouble in any transient event, especially to the
points where the two are connected together.

I would make _sure_ the two parts are getting power from the same
panel.  And be sure there is only one ground bond point for the
two of them.  And be sure the ground isn't compromised but is
connected ONLY to the building ground rod.  

This will eliminate a vast majority of the potential problems from
a transient.

Next I would put over voltage protections.  Gas tubes are really
sturdy, but kinda slow.  Diodes are fast, but not so rugged.  I
would put in both.  I suspect there isn't a pre-made TVS for that
control line,  but if the voltage of the controls signals is
known, then suitable gas tubes and diodes can be added.  So if it
is a 5 volt control signal, clamping at 12 V is probably about
right.

If it is ethernet, including POE, but not HD-BaseT, an L-Com
ELP-CAT6 will do nicely.  Gas tube and diode protection between
each pair and to ground.


L-Com may make something suitable.
http://www.l-com.com/surge-protector-ac-dc-control-line-protectors

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:04:25 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Wouldn't it make sense to put some form of surge suppressor on the line 
> to the control board?

Yes, but those are harder to find and specify ...


Craig


> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:23 PM:
> > I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to power
> > hits. Other than that they have been great. It’s my understanding
> > that Mitsubishi is the best, whatever that means.
> >
> > --FT

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Wouldn't it make sense to put some form of surge suppressor on the line 
to the control board?


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:23 PM:

I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to power hits. Other 
than that they have been great. It’s my understanding that Mitsubishi is the 
best, whatever that means.

--FT
Sent from iPhone





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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

My building is 16x32 ft, 2-story.  But I only condition one downstairs 16x20 
"finished" room, which means sheetrock on inside walls but zero insulation.  
The tongue-and groove floor and ceiling are pretty leaky.  The upstairs and 
other downstairs room (workshop) are actually drafty on a windy winter day.   
No problem keeping below 80 in summer.  The heat pump works hard in winter but 
keeps the indoor temp above 60.  I live in north-central NC, almost in VA.  So 
we see summer temps in the 90s and winter temps in the 20s and sometimes teens.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Max Dillon via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 5:36 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Max Dillon 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message
> 
> How large is your building?  I've got a two car garage, high ceiling.  Not 
> sure if
> there is any insulation in the walls, I probably should insulate the garage 
> doors.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> On July 23, 2019 10:27:26 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >I installed a 12K mini-split heat pump in my "barn" outbuilding a
> >couple of years back and It's worked well for me so far.  The kit was
> >about $600 And it comes as a 120v 10 amp unit or  a 220v 5 amp unit.  .
> >It required a 2 inch hole for wires and refrigerant lines between the
> >indoor and outdoor unit.  I did the mechanical install and hired a
> >local HVAC guy to do the startup.
> >
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
> >> > I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
> >>
> >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

How large is your building?  I've got a two car garage, high ceiling.  Not sure 
if there is any insulation in the walls, I probably should insulate the garage 
doors.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On July 23, 2019 10:27:26 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I installed a 12K mini-split heat pump in my "barn" outbuilding a
>couple of years back and It's worked well for me so far.  The kit was
>about $600 And it comes as a 120v 10 amp unit or  a 220v 5 amp unit.  .
>It required a 2 inch hole for wires and refrigerant lines between the
>indoor and outdoor unit.  I did the mechanical install and hired a
>local HVAC guy to do the startup.
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
>> > I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
>> 
>> 
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah I need to do that

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:43 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> When I installed a Pioneer (HighSEER.com) mini split HighSEER strongly 
> recommended installing a surge suppressor in the breaker box.  My Pioneer 
> outdoor unit looks exactly like the new Mitsubishi unit at our church..
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:24 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message
>> 
>> I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to power hits. 
>> Other
>> than that they have been great. It’s my understanding that Mitsubishi is the
>> best, whatever that means.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People have DIY installed Gree and still think it was a good deal two years
>> later.
>>> Myself, I've only bought Fujitsu and LG, but I'd gladly buy Mitsubishi too.
>>> 
>>> Whatever the brand, you want the higher end variable speed inverter drive
>> compressor with variable speed indoor blower. Variable speed outdoor fan is
>> less important, but my Fujitsu had it, was nearly as silent outside as it was
>> inside unless it was running full blast heat in the winter.
>>> 
>>>> On July 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I see a lot of minisplit systems available now on Amazon. Variety of
>>>> brand names I've never heard of. I assume most are made by a handful
>>>> of Chinese companies. Wonder if any are any good?
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

When I installed a Pioneer (HighSEER.com) mini split HighSEER strongly 
recommended installing a surge suppressor in the breaker box.  My Pioneer 
outdoor unit looks exactly like the new Mitsubishi unit at our church..

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:24 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Buggered Benzmail 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message
> 
> I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to power hits. Other
> than that they have been great. It’s my understanding that Mitsubishi is the
> best, whatever that means.
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > People have DIY installed Gree and still think it was a good deal two years
> later.
> > Myself, I've only bought Fujitsu and LG, but I'd gladly buy Mitsubishi too.
> >
> > Whatever the brand, you want the higher end variable speed inverter drive
> compressor with variable speed indoor blower. Variable speed outdoor fan is
> less important, but my Fujitsu had it, was nearly as silent outside as it was
> inside unless it was running full blast heat in the winter.
> >
> >> On July 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I see a lot of minisplit systems available now on Amazon. Variety of
> >> brand names I've never heard of. I assume most are made by a handful
> >> of Chinese companies. Wonder if any are any good?
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to power hits. Other 
than that they have been great. It’s my understanding that Mitsubishi is the 
best, whatever that means. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> People have DIY installed Gree and still think it was a good deal two years 
> later. 
> Myself, I've only bought Fujitsu and LG, but I'd gladly buy Mitsubishi too. 
> 
> Whatever the brand, you want the higher end variable speed inverter drive 
> compressor with variable speed indoor blower. Variable speed outdoor fan is 
> less important, but my Fujitsu had it, was nearly as silent outside as it was 
> inside unless it was running full blast heat in the winter. 
> 
>> On July 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I see a lot of minisplit systems available now on Amazon. Variety of
>> brand names I've never heard of. I assume most are made by a handful of
>> Chinese companies. Wonder if any are any good?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I installed a 12K mini-split heat pump in my "barn" outbuilding a couple of 
years back and It's worked well for me so far.  The kit was about $600 And it 
comes as a 120v 10 amp unit or  a 220v 5 amp unit.  . It required a 2 inch hole 
for wires and refrigerant lines between the indoor and outdoor unit.  I did the 
mechanical install and hired a local HVAC guy to do the startup.

> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
> > I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

He hasn't put the lift in yet

Rick



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Go to the expense of insulating the building first. Yeah, it won’t be cheap, 
but if you do that and *then* put in an AC unit it will be far more efficient 
and cool the place down a lot faster. Depending on that the walls are framed 
out with and the centers, you could probably do it with foam boards pretty 
easily.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Frederick Moir via Mercedes]

Curt.
Ah yes, I'm beginning to see the light!
Fred
Curt Raymond
2:28 PM (48 minutes ago)
to Mercedes, me
It's a place for storing junk. Mine has a snowmobile, lawnmower, loader,
60+ lanterns...

Curt

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:43 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Go to the expense of insulating the building first. Yeah, it won’t be
> cheap, but if you do that and *then* put in an AC unit it will be far more
> efficient and cool the place down a lot faster. Depending on that the walls
> are framed out with and the centers, you could probably do it with foam
> boards pretty easily.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > One of these days I would like to install a unit out in the shop. Would
> probably take a 5 ton unit which would only run while I’m out there and
> probably not keep it cool but tolerable.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 23, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Yeah, its wonderful... I have a 30k BTU minisplit in my garage.  It was
> >> nice and cool in there on Saturday when it was in the mid-high 90s and
> >> humid!  The amount of water draining from the condensation drain was
> pretty
> >> impressive.
> >>
> >> Jaime
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
> >>>
> >>> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the
> car
> >>> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
> >>> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in
> the
> >>> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
> >>>
> >>> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  I've had a 18k BTU window AC sitting in a corner to put in #1
> Daughter's
> >>> garage for 9 years. Cutting and framing a hole is no big deal, but
> getting
> >>> the 240v there is not an easy proposition.   When I changed the timing
> >>> chain guides on her M116, I had to stop every couple minutes to drain
> the
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Go to the expense of insulating the building first. Yeah, it won’t be cheap, 
but if you do that and *then* put in an AC unit it will be far more efficient 
and cool the place down a lot faster. Depending on that the walls are framed 
out with and the centers, you could probably do it with foam boards pretty 
easily.

-D


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 2:37 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One of these days I would like to install a unit out in the shop. Would 
> probably take a 5 ton unit which would only run while I’m out there and 
> probably not keep it cool but tolerable. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah, its wonderful... I have a 30k BTU minisplit in my garage.  It was
>> nice and cool in there on Saturday when it was in the mid-high 90s and
>> humid!  The amount of water draining from the condensation drain was pretty
>> impressive.
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
>>> 
>>> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car
>>> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
>>> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the
>>> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
>>> 
>>> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I've had a 18k BTU window AC sitting in a corner to put in #1 Daughter's
>>> garage for 9 years. Cutting and framing a hole is no big deal, but getting
>>> the 240v there is not an easy proposition.   When I changed the timing
>>> chain guides on her M116, I had to stop every couple minutes to drain the
>>> sweat out of the smurf gloves.  That was a pain.
 
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> I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
 
 
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

One of these days I would like to install a unit out in the shop. Would 
probably take a 5 ton unit which would only run while I’m out there and 
probably not keep it cool but tolerable. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 12:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, its wonderful... I have a 30k BTU minisplit in my garage.  It was
> nice and cool in there on Saturday when it was in the mid-high 90s and
> humid!  The amount of water draining from the condensation drain was pretty
> impressive.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
>> 
>> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car
>> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
>> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the
>> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
>> 
>> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've had a 18k BTU window AC sitting in a corner to put in #1 Daughter's
>> garage for 9 years. Cutting and framing a hole is no big deal, but getting
>> the 240v there is not an easy proposition.   When I changed the timing
>> chain guides on her M116, I had to stop every couple minutes to drain the
>> sweat out of the smurf gloves.  That was a pain.
>>> 
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
 I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

It's a place for storing junk. Mine has a snowmobile, lawnmower, loader, 60+ 
lanterns...

Curt

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  On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:18 PM, Frederick Moir via 
Mercedes wrote:   What is a garage? Some kind of service 
tool?
Fred.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
>
> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car
> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the
> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
>
> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've had a 18k BTU window AC sitting in a corner to put in #1 Daughter's
> garage for 9 years. Cutting and framing a hole is no big deal, but getting
> the 240v there is not an easy proposition.  When I changed the timing
> chain guides on her M116, I had to stop every couple minutes to drain the
> sweat out of the smurf gloves.  That was a pain.
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
> >> I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I have Fujitsu units in my house and garage... still going strong 5 years
later.  I installed them myself, which is heavily frond upon here in the
USA, but if you can do you own AC service work on your car (with a vacuum
pump and gauge set) you can install one of these.  From how they're
designed (pre charged from the factory for a pre-defined length of line
set) they certainly had user install in mind.

I don't know much about the cheap brands, but as Mitch mentioned the
inverter drive models are the ones to get, which I think is nearly all of
them these days.  Once they reach the set temperature, they ramp down and
have very little power consumption.

Jaime

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> I see a lot of minisplit systems available now on Amazon. Variety of
> brand names I've never heard of. I assume most are made by a handful of
> Chinese companies. Wonder if any are any good?
>
> Allan
>
>
> Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > Yeah, its wonderful... I have a 30k BTU minisplit in my garage.  It was
> > nice and cool in there on Saturday when it was in the mid-high 90s and
> > humid!  The amount of water draining from the condensation drain was
> pretty
> > impressive.
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
> >>
> >> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the
> car
> >> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
> >> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in
> the
> >> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
> >>
> >> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s behind a fence that sticks out next to my garage and in front of the 
window. There’s maybe a gap of 6”-8” between the fence post and the wall of the 
house that you can see it through, otherwise it’s completely invisible from the 
street. I have shrubbery that masks the gap.

When our new management company did their first community inspections in 
December of last year I didn’t have the shrubbery growing as high as it is now, 
and they gave me sort of a “grin, grin, wink wink” comment about it. As it’s 
out of sight now, it’s no longer an issue. I figured if they wanted to push the 
issue I would just get some fencing panels and cover up the gap with them if 
necessary.

I would rather have a mini-split anyway, as I could get something bigger than 
the 8k-10k BTU the window unit is and be able to cool it down a lot faster. I’m 
sure it would be more efficient as well. And it’s not a window unit, so the 
compressor and condenser would be at ground level.

-D

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> wrote:
> 
> Can you block the street view with shrubbery without ruining the air flow?
> 
>> On July 23, 2019 at 1:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> That was the next choice had I not been able to find a decently sized window 
>> unit. I may still go that route if the HOA gets ugly about my window unit (a 
>> no-no if it can be seen from the street, which it can’t unless you look 
>> closely.)
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

People have DIY installed Gree and still think it was a good deal two years 
later. 
Myself, I've only bought Fujitsu and LG, but I'd gladly buy Mitsubishi too. 

Whatever the brand, you want the higher end variable speed inverter drive 
compressor with variable speed indoor blower. Variable speed outdoor fan is 
less important, but my Fujitsu had it, was nearly as silent outside as it was 
inside unless it was running full blast heat in the winter. 

> On July 23, 2019 at 1:50 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I see a lot of minisplit systems available now on Amazon. Variety of
> brand names I've never heard of. I assume most are made by a handful of
> Chinese companies. Wonder if any are any good?

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Can you block the street view with shrubbery without ruining the air flow?

> On July 23, 2019 at 1:46 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That was the next choice had I not been able to find a decently sized window 
> unit. I may still go that route if the HOA gets ugly about my window unit (a 
> no-no if it can be seen from the street, which it can’t unless you look 
> closely.)

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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I see a lot of minisplit systems available now on Amazon. Variety of
brand names I've never heard of. I assume most are made by a handful of
Chinese companies. Wonder if any are any good?

Allan


Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  writes:

> Yeah, its wonderful... I have a 30k BTU minisplit in my garage.  It was
> nice and cool in there on Saturday when it was in the mid-high 90s and
> humid!  The amount of water draining from the condensation drain was pretty
> impressive.
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
>>
>> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car
>> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
>> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the
>> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
>>
>> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
>>
>> -D
>>

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That was the next choice had I not been able to find a decently sized window 
unit. I may still go that route if the HOA gets ugly about my window unit (a 
no-no if it can be seen from the street, which it can’t unless you look 
closely.)

-D


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, its wonderful... I have a 30k BTU minisplit in my garage.  It was
> nice and cool in there on Saturday when it was in the mid-high 90s and
> humid!  The amount of water draining from the condensation drain was pretty
> impressive.
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
>> 
>> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car
>> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
>> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the
>> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
>> 
>> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Yeah, its wonderful... I have a 30k BTU minisplit in my garage.  It was
nice and cool in there on Saturday when it was in the mid-high 90s and
humid!  The amount of water draining from the condensation drain was pretty
impressive.

Jaime


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
>
> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car
> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the
> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
>
> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've had a 18k BTU window AC sitting in a corner to put in #1 Daughter's
> garage for 9 years. Cutting and framing a hole is no big deal, but getting
> the 240v there is not an easy proposition.   When I changed the timing
> chain guides on her M116, I had to stop every couple minutes to drain the
> sweat out of the smurf gloves.  That was a pain.
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
> >> I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
> >
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What is a garage? Some kind of service tool?
Fred.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.
>
> I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car
> into the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour
> later and did the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the
> high 80s and totally saturated with humidity.
>
> Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've had a 18k BTU window AC sitting in a corner to put in #1 Daughter's
> garage for 9 years. Cutting and framing a hole is no big deal, but getting
> the 240v there is not an easy proposition.   When I changed the timing
> chain guides on her M116, I had to stop every couple minutes to drain the
> sweat out of the smurf gloves.  That was a pain.
> >
> > Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
> >> I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
> >
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

other stuff has been higher priority

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:28 AM:

Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.

I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car into 
the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour later and did 
the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the high 80s and 
totally saturated with humidity.

Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.

-D





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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Make the time for it. You’ll kick yourself for not doing it earlier.

I had a fuel hose on the 220SEb that cracked this morning. Pulled the car into 
the garage, closed the door, turned on the AC and went out anhour later and did 
the work in relative comfort while the outside air is in the high 80s and 
totally saturated with humidity.

Didn’t even break a sweat doing the work.

-D



> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:14 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've had a 18k BTU window AC sitting in a corner to put in #1 Daughter's 
> garage for 9 years. Cutting and framing a hole is no big deal, but getting 
> the 240v there is not an easy proposition.   When I changed the timing chain 
> guides on her M116, I had to stop every couple minutes to drain the sweat out 
> of the smurf gloves.  That was a pain.
> 
> Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 7/20/19 6:03 PM:
>> I'm really thinking about adding AC to my garage.
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