Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks, Jaime.  I expected as much when the 3306 fired right up in the 98.

When I can get time to pull the unit from the 2002 I’ll pop it in my car and 
see what happens and report back.

-D

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 8:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Could be... I know some radios also responded to the switched ignition
> signal as well as CAN signal, but I have no idea which.
> 
> I remember working on Porsche PCM3 which supported this in the mid 2000s.
> 
> Jaime
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Could be... I know some radios also responded to the switched ignition
signal as well as CAN signal, but I have no idea which.

I remember working on Porsche PCM3 which supported this in the mid 2000s.

Jaime


On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Something else I forgot to mention or need clarification on:
>
> I plugged in an Audio 30, BE6003, which I believe is from a second gen
> (CANBUS) W210 to the 1998 wagon.  It powered up and worked perfectly.
> Becker lists this radio as being for a 1999-2002 E-class vehicle, along
> with the 3302 and 3309.
>
> Could the BE6003 not be a CANBUS radio?  It’s got pins in the CANBUS
> positions in the third connector.
>
> I hate to beat this to death, but I’m just trying to understand if there
> are variants of this model that will work in the 1998 wagon.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I'll chime in here.
> >
> > The cars from about 2000-on, which have the steering wheel buttons for
> the
> > radio, have a CAN connection to the radio.  CAN is used to communicate
> with
> > the radio about ignition status, steering wheel controls, diagnosis
> > information, etc.  Radios from this generation of car do not have a
> > switched (circuit 15) power in the wiring harness since the radio is
> turned
> > on and off by CAN, not by a switched power line.  Otherwise, the two
> lower
> > blocks of the harness are the same as the earlier radios.  In fact, this
> is
> > an ISO-DIN wiring harness used by a bunch of manufacturers like BMW,
> > Porsche, Mercedes, and in the aftermarket by Becker, Blaupunkt and others
> > (sometimes with minor variations).  Mercedes started using it in 1994 in
> > all their cars.  The third block, the top one on the radio, is usually
> > unique to each manufacturer and has the PINs for CAN.  (It was also used
> > for CD changers, aux input, telephone connections, etc)
> >
> > If you'd like to put a radio without CAN into a car that originally had a
> > CAN radio, you simply need to add a switched ignition power line to the
> > appropriate pin in the wiring harness.  You can tap this off of the
> > cigarette lighter, for example.
> >
> > You can not put a CAN radio into a car without the CAN connection,
> however,
> > since the radio will never get the right signals to turn on and off with
> > the ignition.
> >
> > And finally, I'd guess that all radios built for the W210 CAN bus are
> > interchangeable.  That is, its very unlikely that they changed any CAN
> > messages through the production of the W210, as this is a costly and
> > complicated process.
> >
> > Makes sense?
> > Jaime
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I would think that a CANbus on/off aftermarket thing could/would be a
product.

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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Easier just to get an earlier model Becker that will plug and play for me.  I 
don’t have that kind of tinker time.

-D

> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On October 1, 2017 at 9:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So if I understand correctly, I can’t put the BE3306 from the 2002 W210 into 
>> the 1998 W210 as it won’t get a CANBUS wake-up signal to turn on, correct?
> 
> Logic probe the 2002 and see what it says to the head unit, then build an 
> arduino device programmed to mimic what it says?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On October 1, 2017 at 9:39 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> So if I understand correctly, I can’t put the BE3306 from the 2002 W210 into 
> the 1998 W210 as it won’t get a CANBUS wake-up signal to turn on, correct?

Logic probe the 2002 and see what it says to the head unit, then build an 
arduino device programmed to mimic what it says?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Something else I forgot to mention or need clarification on:

I plugged in an Audio 30, BE6003, which I believe is from a second gen (CANBUS) 
W210 to the 1998 wagon.  It powered up and worked perfectly.  Becker lists this 
radio as being for a 1999-2002 E-class vehicle, along with the 3302 and 3309.

Could the BE6003 not be a CANBUS radio?  It’s got pins in the CANBUS positions 
in the third connector.

I hate to beat this to death, but I’m just trying to understand if there are 
variants of this model that will work in the 1998 wagon.

Thanks!

-D



> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I'll chime in here.
> 
> The cars from about 2000-on, which have the steering wheel buttons for the
> radio, have a CAN connection to the radio.  CAN is used to communicate with
> the radio about ignition status, steering wheel controls, diagnosis
> information, etc.  Radios from this generation of car do not have a
> switched (circuit 15) power in the wiring harness since the radio is turned
> on and off by CAN, not by a switched power line.  Otherwise, the two lower
> blocks of the harness are the same as the earlier radios.  In fact, this is
> an ISO-DIN wiring harness used by a bunch of manufacturers like BMW,
> Porsche, Mercedes, and in the aftermarket by Becker, Blaupunkt and others
> (sometimes with minor variations).  Mercedes started using it in 1994 in
> all their cars.  The third block, the top one on the radio, is usually
> unique to each manufacturer and has the PINs for CAN.  (It was also used
> for CD changers, aux input, telephone connections, etc)
> 
> If you'd like to put a radio without CAN into a car that originally had a
> CAN radio, you simply need to add a switched ignition power line to the
> appropriate pin in the wiring harness.  You can tap this off of the
> cigarette lighter, for example.
> 
> You can not put a CAN radio into a car without the CAN connection, however,
> since the radio will never get the right signals to turn on and off with
> the ignition.
> 
> And finally, I'd guess that all radios built for the W210 CAN bus are
> interchangeable.  That is, its very unlikely that they changed any CAN
> messages through the production of the W210, as this is a costly and
> complicated process.
> 
> Makes sense?
> Jaime
> 


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

So if I understand correctly, I can’t put the BE3306 from the 2002 W210 into 
the 1998 W210 as it won’t get a CANBUS wake-up signal to turn on, correct?

-D


> On Oct 1, 2017, at 9:01 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ok, I'll chime in here.
> 
> The cars from about 2000-on, which have the steering wheel buttons for the
> radio, have a CAN connection to the radio.  CAN is used to communicate with
> the radio about ignition status, steering wheel controls, diagnosis
> information, etc.  Radios from this generation of car do not have a
> switched (circuit 15) power in the wiring harness since the radio is turned
> on and off by CAN, not by a switched power line.  Otherwise, the two lower
> blocks of the harness are the same as the earlier radios.  In fact, this is
> an ISO-DIN wiring harness used by a bunch of manufacturers like BMW,
> Porsche, Mercedes, and in the aftermarket by Becker, Blaupunkt and others
> (sometimes with minor variations).  Mercedes started using it in 1994 in
> all their cars.  The third block, the top one on the radio, is usually
> unique to each manufacturer and has the PINs for CAN.  (It was also used
> for CD changers, aux input, telephone connections, etc)
> 
> If you'd like to put a radio without CAN into a car that originally had a
> CAN radio, you simply need to add a switched ignition power line to the
> appropriate pin in the wiring harness.  You can tap this off of the
> cigarette lighter, for example.
> 
> You can not put a CAN radio into a car without the CAN connection, however,
> since the radio will never get the right signals to turn on and off with
> the ignition.
> 
> And finally, I'd guess that all radios built for the W210 CAN bus are
> interchangeable.  That is, its very unlikely that they changed any CAN
> messages through the production of the W210, as this is a costly and
> complicated process.
> 
> Makes sense?
> Jaime
> 


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Ok, I'll chime in here.

The cars from about 2000-on, which have the steering wheel buttons for the
radio, have a CAN connection to the radio.  CAN is used to communicate with
the radio about ignition status, steering wheel controls, diagnosis
information, etc.  Radios from this generation of car do not have a
switched (circuit 15) power in the wiring harness since the radio is turned
on and off by CAN, not by a switched power line.  Otherwise, the two lower
blocks of the harness are the same as the earlier radios.  In fact, this is
an ISO-DIN wiring harness used by a bunch of manufacturers like BMW,
Porsche, Mercedes, and in the aftermarket by Becker, Blaupunkt and others
(sometimes with minor variations).  Mercedes started using it in 1994 in
all their cars.  The third block, the top one on the radio, is usually
unique to each manufacturer and has the PINs for CAN.  (It was also used
for CD changers, aux input, telephone connections, etc)

If you'd like to put a radio without CAN into a car that originally had a
CAN radio, you simply need to add a switched ignition power line to the
appropriate pin in the wiring harness.  You can tap this off of the
cigarette lighter, for example.

You can not put a CAN radio into a car without the CAN connection, however,
since the radio will never get the right signals to turn on and off with
the ignition.

And finally, I'd guess that all radios built for the W210 CAN bus are
interchangeable.  That is, its very unlikely that they changed any CAN
messages through the production of the W210, as this is a costly and
complicated process.

Makes sense?
Jaime


On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 8:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe Jaime will jump in here, but as far as I know the only thing I might
> have to do is add the “wake up” signal to the third connector that the
> CANBUS input needs.
>
> Otherwise, the analog connections are all the same. The only difference is
> in the third connector where the CANBUS signals come and go.
>
> I have a service manual for the radio that details all the connections.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Let me know if that works, I don't think it will since the 98 uses the
> older 14 whatever number it is which was the same one found in 94 and up
> 124 140 etc. in 99 they went to the new iirc fiber optic radio that
> somewhat integrated into the the car. I know when I have the laptop hooked
> up to our 99 210s I can access the radio and it says diagnose on the radio
> display, so it's tied in somehow.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Correct.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02
> and put it in the 98?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

OK. Like the Dacron Republican-Democrat?

https://mittendrinnen.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/596e2-email0635.jpg


-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 4:23 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope, not nylon - waxed cotton or dacron flat cord.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

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Nope, not nylon - waxed cotton or dacron flat cord.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I would believe that.  If the harness was only laced with nylon tape….
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2017, at 2:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > It was probably done by an avionics tech . . .
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I would believe that.  If the harness was only laced with nylon tape….

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 2:10 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> It was probably done by an avionics tech . . .
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

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It was probably done by an avionics tech . . .

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:05 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Of course Crutchfield doesn’t do installs, but it’s certainly possible a
> DIY’er did this who was very meticulous.  The crimp connectors they used
> appeared to be done with a pneumatic crimper, as they were all spaced
> exactly the same and very consistent.  Wire lengths were all the same and
> the harness was tie wrapped neatly with all the wires laid out in order.
> It was a thing of beauty.
>
> Crutchfield has a hard time with harnesses for the Bose systems.  I’ve
> found they like to provide the Metra harness that has RCA jacks for the
> amplifier inputs, which rarely works well, even with a head unit that has
> 4.0 volt preamp outputs.  The other Metra harness that is just speaker
> wires is the best as the amp ends up getting driven really hard, which it
> needs to provide the best sound.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Sep 30, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:21:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> Did a preliminary survey of the aftermarket Pioneer head unit in the
> >> car, as the youngest son was getting all foamy looking at it.  Whoever
> >> installed it was a real professional.  Machine made crimps, the proper
> >> Metra adapter harness to go directly to the car’s harness without
> >> hacking things up, everything bundled and tie wrapped, very, very
> >> nicely done.
> >
> > Crutchfield?
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

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YOU DIDN'T STICK YOU'RE THUMB OVER THE LISENS PLATE!

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On 9/30/17 1:18 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Let’s try this:

Here is a link to my web site with pictures of the wagon pre-Martha’ed.

http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/1998_E320_Wagon_Photos.html

-D




On Sep 30, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

Don’t know.  CANBUS works at various frequencies, so I’m not sure if a logical 
high or low signal is enough.  Hoping Jaime will weigh in here as this is his 
area of expertise.

-D



On Sep 30, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
wrote:

What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of digital 
code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some electrons of 
the proper flavor.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Let’s try this:

Here is a link to my web site with pictures of the wagon pre-Martha’ed.

http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/1998_E320_Wagon_Photos.html

-D



> On Sep 30, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don’t know.  CANBUS works at various frequencies, so I’m not sure if a 
> logical high or low signal is enough.  Hoping Jaime will weigh in here as 
> this is his area of expertise.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of digital 
>> code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some electrons 
>> of the proper flavor.
>> 
>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Don’t know.  CANBUS works at various frequencies, so I’m not sure if a logical 
high or low signal is enough.  Hoping Jaime will weigh in here as this is his 
area of expertise.

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of digital 
> code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some electrons of 
> the proper flavor.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

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What is the wake up signal?  Just a high/low voltage or some sort of 
digital code?  If it is just a voltage, whatever it is just give it some 
electrons of the proper flavor.


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On 9/30/17 8:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The only difference is the third connector that the CANBUS signals come in on.  
One is power, another ground, and the third a “wake up” signal.  There are 
signals for the steering wheel controls (CAN-high, CAN-low), too, but I don’t 
care about those and I don’t see them having any effect on the radio’s 
operation.

I’m just wondering how I can spoof the wake up signal, or if it’s even 
necessary.

I haven’t dug into the console on the 98 yet to see if there’s a third 
connector.  There should be since it’s got a CD changer.

I’ve got a spare BE 3309 I can slap on it just to see. I’ll probably try that 
today when I have a minute.

-D



On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if the 
new style would work in place of the old in an older 210

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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

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The spare I have is a BE6003/Audio 30.  It has a D2B fiber connector on the 
back along with the other analog connections.

I just took it out and plugged it into the wagon and it worked perfectly.  No 
CD changer, but I wasn’t surprised by that since the changer it works with is 
fiber, not copper.

The Audio 30 unit in the 2002 is supposed to be a B3309, so I’m not completely 
sure what the difference is.  The 3309 doesn’t show as having a D2B fiber 
connection, which could mean my changer would still work in the wagon.

Jaime?

More as I know it.

-D

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if 
> the new style would work in place of the old in an older 210
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I know the older radios the 3rd connector is cd changer. So if 3rd connector on 
these is canbus then I guess you couldn't hook up cd changer

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> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:55 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The only difference is the third connector that the CANBUS signals come in 
> on.  One is power, another ground, and the third a “wake up” signal.  There 
> are signals for the steering wheel controls (CAN-high, CAN-low), too, but I 
> don’t care about those and I don’t see them having any effect on the radio’s 
> operation.
> 
> I’m just wondering how I can spoof the wake up signal, or if it’s even 
> necessary.
> 
> I haven’t dug into the console on the 98 yet to see if there’s a third 
> connector.  There should be since it’s got a CD changer.
> 
> I’ve got a spare BE 3309 I can slap on it just to see. I’ll probably try that 
> today when I have a minute.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if 
>> the new style would work in place of the old in an older 210
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

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The only difference is the third connector that the CANBUS signals come in on.  
One is power, another ground, and the third a “wake up” signal.  There are 
signals for the steering wheel controls (CAN-high, CAN-low), too, but I don’t 
care about those and I don’t see them having any effect on the radio’s 
operation.

I’m just wondering how I can spoof the wake up signal, or if it’s even 
necessary.

I haven’t dug into the console on the 98 yet to see if there’s a third 
connector.  There should be since it’s got a CD changer.

I’ve got a spare BE 3309 I can slap on it just to see. I’ll probably try that 
today when I have a minute.

-D


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if 
> the new style would work in place of the old in an older 210
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have radios of both varieties on the shelf. I had thought about seeing if the 
new style would work in place of the old in an older 210

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe Jaime will jump in here, but as far as I know the only thing I might 
> have to do is add the “wake up” signal to the third connector that the CANBUS 
> input needs.
> 
> Otherwise, the analog connections are all the same. The only difference is in 
> the third connector where the CANBUS signals come and go.
> 
> I have a service manual for the radio that details all the connections.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Let me know if that works, I don't think it will since the 98 uses the older 
>> 14 whatever number it is which was the same one found in 94 and up 124 140 
>> etc. in 99 they went to the new iirc fiber optic radio that somewhat 
>> integrated into the the car. I know when I have the laptop hooked up to our 
>> 99 210s I can access the radio and it says diagnose on the radio display, so 
>> it's tied in somehow. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Correct.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and 
 put it in the 98?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Maybe Jaime will jump in here, but as far as I know the only thing I might have 
to do is add the “wake up” signal to the third connector that the CANBUS input 
needs.

Otherwise, the analog connections are all the same. The only difference is in 
the third connector where the CANBUS signals come and go.

I have a service manual for the radio that details all the connections.

-D



> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:27 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let me know if that works, I don't think it will since the 98 uses the older 
> 14 whatever number it is which was the same one found in 94 and up 124 140 
> etc. in 99 they went to the new iirc fiber optic radio that somewhat 
> integrated into the the car. I know when I have the laptop hooked up to our 
> 99 210s I can access the radio and it says diagnose on the radio display, so 
> it's tied in somehow. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Correct.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and 
>>> put it in the 98?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Let me know if that works, I don't think it will since the 98 uses the older 14 
whatever number it is which was the same one found in 94 and up 124 140 etc. in 
99 they went to the new iirc fiber optic radio that somewhat integrated into 
the the car. I know when I have the laptop hooked up to our 99 210s I can 
access the radio and it says diagnose on the radio display, so it's tied in 
somehow. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2017, at 7:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Correct.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and put 
>> it in the 98?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Correct.


> On Sep 30, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and put 
> it in the 98?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Are you saying you are going to take the factory radio out of the 02 and put it 
in the 98?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 29, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Got the oil and filter changed, found the cowl trim pieces were brittle as 
> glass and pretty much shattered when I removed them to clean the schmutz 
> underneath.  Very common on W210 chassis cars, so much so that the dealers 
> stock the parts and they’re pretty cheap.
> 
> Fought to reset the FSS until I found a very obscure reference that said you 
> had to have the doors closed to do it.  I had been trying while sitting in 
> the car with the driver’s door open.  Grrr.
> 
> Did a preliminary survey of the aftermarket Pioneer head unit in the car, as 
> the youngest son was getting all foamy looking at it.  Whoever installed it 
> was a real professional.  Machine made crimps, the proper Metra adapter 
> harness to go directly to the car’s harness without hacking things up, 
> everything bundled and tie wrapped, very, very nicely done.
> 
> I’m going to swap the Becker 3309 out of his car into mine and he’ll get the 
> fancy Pioneer with all the bells and whistles.
> 
> Tomorrow if the weather permits (we’re supposed to have a big tropical low 
> pressure system over us tomorrow) I’ll clay bar the exterior, wax and detail, 
> and maybe change the differential oil and replace some burned out lamps.
> 
> Already got a set of Mercedes carpeted floor mats coming in on the Tuesday 
> dealer stock order.  Gotta get a couple liters of hydraulic fluid to flush 
> the SLS (it’s really nasty looking), a filter for the SLS, and a few other 
> odds and ends.  I need to order another SmartKey so I have two, but I can’t 
> do that until I get my title.
> 
> For now I’m turning in for the night.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Of course Crutchfield doesn’t do installs, but it’s certainly possible a DIY’er 
did this who was very meticulous.  The crimp connectors they used appeared to 
be done with a pneumatic crimper, as they were all spaced exactly the same and 
very consistent.  Wire lengths were all the same and the harness was tie 
wrapped neatly with all the wires laid out in order.  It was a thing of beauty.

Crutchfield has a hard time with harnesses for the Bose systems.  I’ve found 
they like to provide the Metra harness that has RCA jacks for the amplifier 
inputs, which rarely works well, even with a head unit that has 4.0 volt preamp 
outputs.  The other Metra harness that is just speaker wires is the best as the 
amp ends up getting driven really hard, which it needs to provide the best 
sound.

-D



> On Sep 30, 2017, at 12:07 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:21:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Did a preliminary survey of the aftermarket Pioneer head unit in the
>> car, as the youngest son was getting all foamy looking at it.  Whoever
>> installed it was a real professional.  Machine made crimps, the proper
>> Metra adapter harness to go directly to the car’s harness without
>> hacking things up, everything bundled and tie wrapped, very, very
>> nicely done.
> 
> Crutchfield?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] New W210 Wagon

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:21:45 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Did a preliminary survey of the aftermarket Pioneer head unit in the
> car, as the youngest son was getting all foamy looking at it.  Whoever
> installed it was a real professional.  Machine made crimps, the proper
> Metra adapter harness to go directly to the car’s harness without
> hacking things up, everything bundled and tie wrapped, very, very
> nicely done.

Crutchfield?


Craig

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