Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
On 19/01/2013 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: hi Kaleb! while the cumulative wealth of knowledge amongst the users here is truly admirable, i (for one) think it would be wonderful if this list was dedicated to Mercedes stuff, instead of being the chat room that some people here clearly seem to want/need. there's plenty of places for that (and more could be made, if necessary) but as long as people can't seem to at least keep the Subject Lines relative to their messages content, it makes it really hard to wade through the chaff looking for the stuff of value. in the popular vernacular, the Signal:Noise here is poor. i also have to agree with Gerry; i would never have guessed that a list named banned lite was for social banter. maybe something like MBZ Social would better convey the tone, and those who like to play in a cat box can still play in Banned, if that's how they like to play. (i barely found this post, since the majority of what passes by on this list barely gets a quick scan before meeting the Delete Key. if Subject lines were kept relevant, it would be safe to just Delete anything marked OT,...) cheers! e The down side of that is that I expect the list would not be all that active and folks would drift away. I prefer to have activity even if it is not always on topic. I do agree that subject lines need to be updated. Sometimes a non MB post becomes one but the subject would never give one a clue that it had happened. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
I concur Let sleeping dogs lie. We can self regulate and chastise those who transgress. If all we wanted was MBZ chatter, we could hook up with the ritter list clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 19, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 19, 2013, at 7:30 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: while the cumulative wealth of knowledge amongst the users here is truly admirable, i (for one) think it would be wonderful if this list was dedicated to Mercedes stuff, instead of being the chat room that some people here clearly seem to want/need. i also have to agree with Gerry; i would never have guessed that a list named banned lite was for social banter. maybe something like MBZ Social would better convey the tone, and those who like to play in a cat box can still play in Banned, if that's how they like to play. Kaleb has an old lady, kids, house, job that flies him around the country, a yard full of Benzes, etc. His time to start and moderate another list may be limited. I say leave it as is, learn to change subject lines and trim posts, and call it good. This list would be mighty thin and mighty boring, if we just stick to MB stuff. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
There is MB chatter on the R/E list? Really? Guess I need to go poke my head in the door over there. Dan On Jan 20, 2013, at 5:31 PM, clay monroe wrote: I concur Let sleeping dogs lie. We can self regulate and chastise those who transgress. If all we wanted was MBZ chatter, we could hook up with the ritter list clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jan 19, 2013, at 6:21 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 19, 2013, at 7:30 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: while the cumulative wealth of knowledge amongst the users here is truly admirable, i (for one) think it would be wonderful if this list was dedicated to Mercedes stuff, instead of being the chat room that some people here clearly seem to want/need. i also have to agree with Gerry; i would never have guessed that a list named banned lite was for social banter. maybe something like MBZ Social would better convey the tone, and those who like to play in a cat box can still play in Banned, if that's how they like to play. Kaleb has an old lady, kids, house, job that flies him around the country, a yard full of Benzes, etc. His time to start and moderate another list may be limited. I say leave it as is, learn to change subject lines and trim posts, and call it good. This list would be mighty thin and mighty boring, if we just stick to MB stuff. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Rick wrote: I say leave it as is, learn to change subject lines and trim posts, and call it good. This list would be mighty thin and mighty boring, if we just stick to MB stuff. Yes. And, the reality of community here centered on MBZ provides a definite filter about OT chatter. Elsewhere, I don't have a filter, so, chatter may be poste by some drug user or Fed agent. We all know Max Scot Wilton are Fed agents, so we let them abuse us - it lowers our taxes. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Ha ha ha ha ha ha. If being a retired squid makes me an agent, your status as a vet qualifies you to join us. I do still work for Mother Navy, as a civilian project manager, but the most dangerous thing I get to carry is a smart phone... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: We all know Max Scot Wilton are Fed agents, so we let them abuse us - it lowers our taxes. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
And I'm merely listening and taking names. ;) Wilton, Fed agent extraordinaire - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Ha ha ha ha ha ha. If being a retired squid makes me an agent, your status as a vet qualifies you to join us. I do still work for Mother Navy, as a civilian project manager, but the most dangerous thing I get to carry is a smart phone... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: We all know Max Scot Wilton are Fed agents, so we let them abuse us - it lowers our taxes. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
You beat me to it! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) Hey. I resemble that remark :-) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Redneck Spring Coming soon to a community near you. No limit, Open season. ;)) Might as well kick a can of camp stove gas into the campfire and liven things up a bit.. hahaha. On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 6:38 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You beat me to it! --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 19, 2013, at 2:21 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) Hey. I resemble that remark :-) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2013, at 6:56 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
On Jan 19, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? NO. WE NEED OFF TOPIC POSTS! I, for one, am exceeding grateful for the list wisdom and knowledge imparted on subjects other than Mercedes Benz automobiles. I am enthralled hearing of Gerry's experiences, or Wilton's experiences of growing up back in the day. It is like having a history lesson taught by someone who lived it. I enjoy reading of Rich's, and others home renovation sagas, both the successes and the failures. Where else can you learn about high performance range hoods like Alan's (sp). I like hearing tales of ancient watches being brought back to life with an intricate disassembly and cleaning. I long to read about Breezy airplanes, the NTSB report on an airplane incident, or how Georgia clay needs to be trucked to OK for a better dirt runway. It is gripping to be able to hear and see first hand experiences of those going through disasters, such as Jaime's experience recently with hurricane Sandy. Rogers contributions on Porches, which Bugatti is more exclusive, and newer Mercedes are welcome reading too. I could go on, but you get the point. We need off topic posts, even if we need moderation sometimes. Thank you Kaleb for hosting this list, and thank you to all who post and keep me mentally stimulated. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
I'm saying that when a person joins the Mercedes List they should be encouraged to also become a member of Mercedes Social or whatever you want to call it besides Banned Light. That way, those interested strictly in Mercedes could access only the Mercedes list, and those who want to discuss other subjects could access Mercedes Social or both. Those who persisted in discussing non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list would be removed for a variable length of time from the Mercedes list after several warnings, but not from the social list. It wouldn't be long before everyone got the message that the Mercedes list was strictly about Mercedes and that it would be enforced. Moderators would probably be essential so you or a single moderator wouldn't be targetted by someone who was removed. You would lose some members who prefer unrestricted lists, but you would probably see more members submitting comments and questions on the Mercedes List. Since this list is primarily a Right Wing list, you probably lose a good many Moderate and Left Wing Mercedes owners. Believe it or not, there are a lot of Moderates and Left Wingers who drive Mercedes. They would be more inclined to join a strictly Mercedes List and buy parts from Rusty. Of course, this is your list and there is nothing right or wrong, good or bad about whatever you do with it. GerryA Moderate who wouldn't have time to be a moderator because he is already a moderator on other lists. From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
I could go live in an HOA too but I won't. The thing I like about this list is the offtopic talk. If I wanted to just know about Mercedes I could go to peachparts. Moderator is often another term for petty tyrant. I think we're lucky here that our tyrant (he's not petty) is pretty fair and balanced. Add to that a fairly fair and balanced population and bannings are few. Once you start putting rules on it you ruin the discussion the same way adults like to ruin sandlot baseball. -Curt Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:23:43 -0500 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Message-ID: A56D5E87F17449C5BB0370373DA02F8F@PC466116028214 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
hi Kaleb! while the cumulative wealth of knowledge amongst the users here is truly admirable, i (for one) think it would be wonderful if this list was dedicated to Mercedes stuff, instead of being the chat room that some people here clearly seem to want/need. there's plenty of places for that (and more could be made, if necessary) but as long as people can't seem to at least keep the Subject Lines relative to their messages content, it makes it really hard to wade through the chaff looking for the stuff of value. in the popular vernacular, the Signal:Noise here is poor. i also have to agree with Gerry; i would never have guessed that a list named banned lite was for social banter. maybe something like MBZ Social would better convey the tone, and those who like to play in a cat box can still play in Banned, if that's how they like to play. (i barely found this post, since the majority of what passes by on this list barely gets a quick scan before meeting the Delete Key. if Subject lines were kept relevant, it would be safe to just Delete anything marked OT,...) cheers! e On 19/Jan/13 08:22, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So you say there needs to be no off topic posts to this list? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Banned light? The word banned turns off a lot of people. You might change banned light to Mercedes Social or something similar with better results. Of course, there needs to be a little management or tough love. When a member keeps posting non-Mercedes items on the Mercedes list, he needs to be banned from that list after several warnings, but not the social list. I've never seen an internet list prosper that didn't have some management. All this bickering turns off members who are interested in Mercedes but not in guns, abortion, politics, etc., etc. If you don't have time to manage the list, you can appoint a sufficient number of moderators to keep the Mercedes list free of non-Mercedes topics. Warnings would come from the moderators so no individual moderator could be blamed. I belong to a list that has 15 moderators and it works quite well. Gerry We already have a list like that, it's called banned lite, nobody uses it Kaleb Hi Kaleb, You have a group of people who want to talk about all sorts of subjects other than Mercedes. Why don't you set up a Mercedes Social List for discussion only and let the members of the group enforce the Mercedes Repair list for Mercedes discussions only? The Mercedes Banned List will never serve as a discussion list because profanity, personal attacks, and anything goes do not go well with thoughtful discussion and many won't go there. Gerry From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2639/5543 - Release Date: 01/19/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
On Jan 19, 2013, at 7:30 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: while the cumulative wealth of knowledge amongst the users here is truly admirable, i (for one) think it would be wonderful if this list was dedicated to Mercedes stuff, instead of being the chat room that some people here clearly seem to want/need. i also have to agree with Gerry; i would never have guessed that a list named banned lite was for social banter. maybe something like MBZ Social would better convey the tone, and those who like to play in a cat box can still play in Banned, if that's how they like to play. Kaleb has an old lady, kids, house, job that flies him around the country, a yard full of Benzes, etc. His time to start and moderate another list may be limited. I say leave it as is, learn to change subject lines and trim posts, and call it good. This list would be mighty thin and mighty boring, if we just stick to MB stuff. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
The only solution would be to convert the human race to behave like animals. Animals don't commit atrocities. Not even a rabbit dog does. On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Or be like Janet Reno and incinerate them. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 17, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Speaking of deranged killers, where is the outrage over subway platforms and subway trains? Surely something can be done to make them safer. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 17, 2013, at 23:56, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Wow - why wasn't she convicted of such a horrible crime? On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Or be like Janet Reno and incinerate them. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 17, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
What's your point? I don't get it. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of deranged killers, where is the outrage over subway platforms and subway trains? Surely something can be done to make them safer. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 17, 2013, at 23:56, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You may as well give it up Andrew. This sort of thing just carries on forever if you let it. Randy On 18/01/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Or a pointed stick! Better yet, a banana! (Then they could release the tiger.) Dan Monty Python Sent from my iPad On Jan 18, 2013, at 12:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Wow - why wasn't she convicted of such a horrible crime? Attorney Generals never see jail time, even when Congress votes them in contempt. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, department of justice statistics show that number of homicides by knives is just a little less than homicides using a rifle. If you add in blunt instruments and hand/fist/feet, all those exceed the number of homicides by rifle. Homicides by handgun are far higher, like ten times higher, than rifle or knife or blunt instrument homicides. Why no outcry about handguns? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Max Dillon wrote: Homicides by handgun are far higher, like ten times higher, than rifle or knife or blunt instrument homicides. Why no outcry about handguns? Because the Sandy Hook guy had a scary rifle in the car that he didn't bother to take into the school, so that's what we must ban, right now. /sarcasm Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
I guess that the point you are attempting to make is that the idea of such heinous attacks without an assault rifle (or at least a firearm of some sort) is not plausible, or that the number of victims would be much smaller. If your theory were correct, then such acts would not occur, or would be very rare, or there would be much fewer victims in a place where firearms are tightly controlled. But the following shows that your theory falls flat in the face of FACTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29 25 dead and 115 injured! I guess you thought the idea of someone bashing kids' heads with a hammer is absurd and funny. Remember that a hammer might not kill as surely as an AR-15, so perhaps the fatality rate might not be as high. But a quick death might be kinder to a child and his family than a lifetime of severe disability from permanent brain damage. The FACT is that evil or madness will not be stopped by eliminating firearms! Best regards to all, Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I am pretty pooped by all of this Andrew, who is hoping we will return to our diesel roots. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: You may as well give it up Andrew. This sort of thing just carries on forever if you let it. Randy On 18/01/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Aha, another left wing conspiracy. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Wow - why wasn't she convicted of such a horrible crime? Attorney Generals never see jail time, even when Congress votes them in contempt. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What's funny is that some people think guns are not at fault - ever - for anything bad/evil/violent. They are mere inanimate objects, no more dangerous than a toothpick or banana, since someone somewhere is evil enough to do great harm with any ordinary object. That's what I call reductio ad absurdo. I say let's give this entire exchange a decent burial and get back to CARS and DIESELS, and limit OT conversations according to the rules of the list that bar political topics. This is a rule that the listmeister currently refuses to enforce, perhaps because he happens to be a passionate advocate against any form of gun control and most of the list members are of a like mind. RIP. . On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I guess that the point you are attempting to make is that the idea of such heinous attacks without an assault rifle (or at least a firearm of some sort) is not plausible, or that the number of victims would be much smaller. If your theory were correct, then such acts would not occur, or would be very rare, or there would be much fewer victims in a place where firearms are tightly controlled. But the following shows that your theory falls flat in the face of FACTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29 25 dead and 115 injured! I guess you thought the idea of someone bashing kids' heads with a hammer is absurd and funny. Remember that a hammer might not kill as surely as an AR-15, so perhaps the fatality rate might not be as high. But a quick death might be kinder to a child and his family than a lifetime of severe disability from permanent brain damage. The FACT is that evil or madness will not be stopped by eliminating firearms! Best regards to all, Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I say let's give this entire exchange a decent burial... I agree, as long as I have the last word in this dialogue, Andrew! Guns ARE dangerous! But they are not more dangerous than hammers, knives, baseball bats, cars and other objects that kill and maim many when misused. BTW I am not impressed with your incorrect and inappropriate use of the Latin term reductio ad absurdum-- NOT absurdo. The toothpick and banana reference is indeed absurd, but the Wikipedia reference I gave below (which you no doubt didn't bother to look at) lists attacks against schoolchildren WITHOUT firearms which actually took place in a country with strict gun control. These events prove the plausibility of the argument that it is the human being that is the threat, not a particular object. Citing facts does not constitute a reductio ad absurdum argument. You need to work on your critical thinking skills! There is always something that can be used as a weapon. I have been trained to use a Bic pen or even a NY Times as a deadly weapon. Keeping those persons who would use violence against others off the streets is the better answer. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 1:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home What's funny is that some people think guns are not at fault - ever - for anything bad/evil/violent. They are mere inanimate objects, no more dangerous than a toothpick or banana, since someone somewhere is evil enough to do great harm with any ordinary object. That's what I call reductio ad absurdo. I say let's give this entire exchange a decent burial and get back to CARS and DIESELS, and limit OT conversations according to the rules of the list that bar political topics. This is a rule that the listmeister currently refuses to enforce, perhaps because he happens to be a passionate advocate against any form of gun control and most of the list members are of a like mind. RIP. . On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I guess that the point you are attempting to make is that the idea of such heinous attacks without an assault rifle (or at least a firearm of some sort) is not plausible, or that the number of victims would be much smaller. If your theory were correct, then such acts would not occur, or would be very rare, or there would be much fewer victims in a place where firearms are tightly controlled. But the following shows that your theory falls flat in the face of FACTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932 012%29 25 dead and 115 injured! I guess you thought the idea of someone bashing kids' heads with a hammer is absurd and funny. Remember that a hammer might not kill as surely as an AR-15, so perhaps the fatality rate might not be as high. But a quick death might be kinder to a child and his family than a lifetime of severe disability from permanent brain damage. The FACT is that evil or madness will not be stopped by eliminating firearms! Best regards to all, Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Huh? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2013, at 11:20 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What's your point? I don't get it. On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 11:41 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of deranged killers, where is the outrage over subway platforms and subway trains? Surely something can be done to make them safer. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 17, 2013, at 23:56, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Need to get rid of them Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:41 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of deranged killers, where is the outrage over subway platforms and subway trains? Surely something can be done to make them safer. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 17, 2013, at 23:56, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
So guns by some magic load and shoot themselves? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: What's funny is that some people think guns are not at fault - ever - for anything bad/evil/violent. They are mere inanimate objects, no more dangerous than a toothpick or banana, since someone somewhere is evil enough to do great harm with any ordinary object. That's what I call reductio ad absurdo. I say let's give this entire exchange a decent burial and get back to CARS and DIESELS, and limit OT conversations according to the rules of the list that bar political topics. This is a rule that the listmeister currently refuses to enforce, perhaps because he happens to be a passionate advocate against any form of gun control and most of the list members are of a like mind. RIP. . On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: I guess that the point you are attempting to make is that the idea of such heinous attacks without an assault rifle (or at least a firearm of some sort) is not plausible, or that the number of victims would be much smaller. If your theory were correct, then such acts would not occur, or would be very rare, or there would be much fewer victims in a place where firearms are tightly controlled. But the following shows that your theory falls flat in the face of FACTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29 25 dead and 115 injured! I guess you thought the idea of someone bashing kids' heads with a hammer is absurd and funny. Remember that a hammer might not kill as surely as an AR-15, so perhaps the fatality rate might not be as high. But a quick death might be kinder to a child and his family than a lifetime of severe disability from permanent brain damage. The FACT is that evil or madness will not be stopped by eliminating firearms! Best regards to all, Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 9:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Greg wrote: There is always something that can be used as a weapon. I have been trained to use a Bic pen or even a NY Times as a deadly weapon. Nice. ...umm... Nice waste of time? Being employed by a killing agency gets persons that type of training and might be necessary, but... The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm sure all the dead Tutsis and Hutus in Rowanda really appreciate being hacked to death rather than shot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Friday, January 18, 2013 12:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home Yeah, like a toothpick! Or maybe a telephone cord to strangle each kid with individually. or a hammer to bash each kid in the head. Or a rock!! The gun had NO role whatsoever in this tragedy. I am beginning to understand your line of thinking On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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protection Wow - why wasn't she convicted of such a horrible crime? On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Or be like Janet Reno and incinerate them. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
I guess that the point you are attempting to make is that the idea of such heinous attacks without an assault rifle (or at least a firearm of some sort) is not plausible, or that the number of victims would be much smaller. If your theory were correct, then such acts would not occur, or would be very rare, or there would be much fewer victims in a place where firearms are tightly controlled. But the following shows that your theory falls flat in the face of FACTS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932012%29 25 dead and 115 injured! By the same logic: No guns were used at the OKC Fed building, therefore no one could be killed. Sounds good to me. I guess you thought the idea of someone bashing kids' heads with a hammer is absurd and funny. Remember that a hammer might not kill as surely as an AR-15, so perhaps the fatality rate might not be as high. But a quick death might be kinder to a child and his family than a lifetime of severe disability from permanent brain damage. The FACT is that evil or madness will not be stopped by eliminating firearms! Best regards to all, Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Friday, January 18, 2013, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) Hey. I resemble that remark :-) Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Even out west there is huge fear of fire arms. It has more to do with the supposed civilized folks who inhabit urban areas instead of the good people who live in suburbs or rural locations. Even though a few urban denizens may hunt for sport, there is a greater percentage of small town residents for whom hunting is a way of life. Used to be that people abandoned school for deer hunting in high school in November. At least in the rural town school I attended. My oldest kid grew up in urban seattle and all the kids live in fear of guns. Taking off a week to hunt Bambi is considered a hate crime. Closest his peers get to gun love is to blast away virtual enemies in a video game. West coast city folk live in fear of guns and the people of color who wield them. Same as the city folk of the east. Rural residents are not so overcome by guns or waste mental energy on fire arms. It would be akin to getting involved in arguments over what is stocked in the out house. clay On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:54 PM, Brian Toscano wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Friday, January 18, 2013, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Now we are really going off the deep end of off topic. Lets not forget these same people who think we need to take away guns because they will kill people are in favor of abortion. I guess it's ok to kill kids when they might be an inconvenient problem at the time. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 18, 2013, at 10:54 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote: I still can't understand the irrational fear some people have of guns. I think it is just a stigma passed down to them by their environment. Possibly because in the Northeast and other areas that are anti-gun most gun owners are cops and criminals. In other parts of the country guns are just part of life and no big deal. What annoys me the most is that these anti-gun people seem to want federal bans on guns as if they know what's good for the entire country (and the rest of us are just ignorant rednecks and hillbillies) On Friday, January 18, 2013, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jan 18, 2013, at 8:20 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: The tactic sounds interesting, but totally not necessary for my life. Dude, we gotta get you a job, so you can have a life... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Max Dillon wrote: Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. John Boner controls the house. Republican In Name Only at best. Legislators far more Constitution friendly than Boner (Chuck Grassley, for example) have already voiced support for a magazine ban. We've got a fight on our hands if we don't want the usual compromise to happen (their idea of compromise is they give us no new rights and we lose fewer of our rights than they originally proposed to take). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It disgusts me that thousands of non-white children are killed every year by armed violence and not a peep is heard about it. We (US government) kill dozens of children with drone strikes in foreign countries and there isn't even a blurb on the news. Nineteen lily white kids from an affluent suburb get killed and it's a national tragedy. Media spin, faux compassion, lies, and more lies. All men are created equal. Some are just more equal than others. I am not sure where any of the current events are heading, but it will not end well. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jan 17, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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meanwhile the trillion$ keep rolling out the door -IMO the fed is printing money at a unpublicized rate and we are left to guess at the true rate of runaway inflation. If a republican was in the WH the media would be going nuts! LarryT 91 300D On 1/17/2013 12:19 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: You are right in all counts Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rick wrote: It disgusts me... Media spin, faux compassion, lies, and more lies. All men are created equal. Some are just more equal than others. I am not sure where any of the current events are heading, but it will not end well. Hear, hear. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Point: the deranged killer, not his weapon, be it a gun or fire or a bomb, is wholly responsible for the act. He would have acted no matter what laws were on the books. He would have found something to use, a nation cannot outlaw and eliminate everything and anything that could be used to kill. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure what your point is. What if he used a dirty bomb? . On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Agreed! A tragedy and terrible crime that will haunt my memory! Now, imagine if the deranged killer had used gasoline instead of guns. The headlines would read about tens maybe hundreds of children burned alive. Do you doubt that this killer was bent on death, and would have used whatever means were most readily at hand? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Frankly, kids getting mowed down in school is way more disgusting.than the current debate. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 11:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such inflammatory language, by those who at the same time loudly assault verbally themselves is in large part responsible for the volatile rhetoric we have, on both sides of the issue. It is my considered opinion that those who are terrified of demons freely demonize anything that they do not understand and being fearful run rather than self educate and think logically. Or, they are just damn crazy and not capable of logical thought. I'm off to curse and eat my young while I argue oil and tires with some @#)($*% idiot. Grant... :)) On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We have two cats on the bed and some boxes underneath but no bazookas. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Perhpas there is a difference in grammatical usage - assault as either a verb or an adjective. A firearm that was designed to function optimally in a role supporting an assault could be described as an assualt weapon. Just as I have a hunting knife and a deer rifle. That having been said, I fully support our right to own any type of firearm. On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 9:44 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such inflammatory language, by those who at the same time loudly assault verbally themselves is in large part responsible for the volatile rhetoric we have, on both sides of the issue. It is my considered opinion that those who are terrified of demons freely demonize anything that they do not understand and being fearful run rather than self educate and think logically. Or, they are just damn crazy and not capable of logical thought. I'm off to curse and eat my young while I argue oil and tires with some @#)($*% idiot. Grant... :)) On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Actually I think it's pretty stupid all these people out making a run on the guns and ammo driving supplies way down and price way up. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is really no such thing as an assault riffle really. Most of these are just made up to look bad ass, they are really no more than a regular old 22, your average deer rifle is way more powerful. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 9:44 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such inflammatory language, by those who at the same time loudly assault verbally themselves is in large part responsible for the volatile rhetoric we have, on both sides of the issue. It is my considered opinion that those who are terrified of demons freely demonize anything that they do not understand and being fearful run rather than self educate and think logically. Or, they are just damn crazy and not capable of logical thought. I'm off to curse and eat my young while I argue oil and tires with some @#)($*% idiot. Grant... :)) On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
You are right in all counts Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2013, at 10:42 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: The whole current debate about gun control, at the national level not on this list, is a manufactured distraction to get the people's attention away from the real problem: out of control federal spending. Republicans control the house, no national gun control measure will be passed. Supreme court is VERY supportive of the second amendment, will probably quash anything stupid done by state and local governments. It's all a distraction, a bunch of noise, and anyone selling guns or ammo is getting rich, and the politicians can avoid doing any real work, yet look good to their polarized constituents, until the next self-made crisis comes along. Whole episode is quite disgusting. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home
Actually, an assault rifle is a small arm (rifle or carbine) chambered for a reduced power cartridge (as compared to a main battle rifle, like the M1 or M14) and is which fully automatic (AKA a machine gun). Our highly reliable and honest popular press (and now the politicos) mis-use the term to refer to anything that looks like an assault rifle. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G Mann Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 10:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT GUN They took their ball and when home I respectfully submit, it is impossible for a rifle to assault. An individual can assault, however, a device can not. The use of the term assault rifle is intended to assault your senses and is thus, by legal interpretation, an assault. Many laws, in many countries, all are written to hold an individual responsible for the act of assault. I have yet to find even one case, in one court, where a device , ie a rifle, has met the legal standard of Mens Rea. Mens Rea [see Blacks Law Dictionary] requires two things, the Intent, and the Act. Please produce for me a device that by it's own volition, meets those qualifiers. A man may assault another with a rock, club, or gun.. but the rock, club, or gun are incapable of that act of assault by themselves. To be progressively mislead into the improper use of such inflammatory language, by those who at the same time loudly assault verbally themselves is in large part responsible for the volatile rhetoric we have, on both sides of the issue. It is my considered opinion that those who are terrified of demons freely demonize anything that they do not understand and being fearful run rather than self educate and think logically. Or, they are just damn crazy and not capable of logical thought. I'm off to curse and eat my young while I argue oil and tires with some @#)($*% idiot. Grant... :)) On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yes sort of like the mere mention of gun control makes them act like the King of England is invading and they only have 20 assault rifles stashed under the bed. Hendrik who has nothing under the bed but dust On 17/01/13 13:18, Jim Cathey wrote: I've met them before. Mere mention of the means of effective self-defense makes 'em act like you're about to vivisect their pet, personally. Or child. It's truly weird. -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://m ail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
