Re: [MBZ] Scary situation

2024-04-03 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Emulating Mrs. Kleb, eh?

Glad there was no permanent damage!

-D

> On Apr 3, 2024, at 6:03 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went down in the GL450 to the store just a half mile down the road to get a 
> few things, come out and was leaving and smelled something burning as I was 
> driving out of the parking area.  Figured it was from the car in front of me, 
> brakes stuck or something. Then the odor gets stronger and I see smoke 
> blowing from the dash vents and it smells REALLY bad.  Like a LOT of smoke.  
> ohshit.  Turned off the fan so no more smoke coming in the vents.  I figure I 
> can get home quick and check it out (probably not the best choice...) but 
> then I get on the road and there is a backup almost to the shopping center 
> due to a tree falling on the road and maybe a wreck and I am sitting there 
> and see smoke coming out of the hood vent.  ohshit.  I'm sitting at a dead 
> stop less than 1/2mile from the Vast Estate so decide to turn into a driveway 
> across the road and check it out.
> 
> Popped the hood and see smoke coming from the AC airbox which is on the 
> firewall on passenger side.  The hood vent allows air into it. There was 
> smoke down below and some on top.  Below is a main power cable coming to the 
> jump point and on top was some sort of sensor.  I was hoping there wasn't a 
> short in that as that could be kinda serious.  I popped open the airbox (and 
> the cabin air filter was in there, which is filthy, put that on my list) and 
> nothing in there, so I feel the sensor on top and it is very hot.  I popped 
> the connector off and it was melted.  Popped the sensor out and it was 
> completely melted too.  I guess something inside it shorted out.
> 
> I drove on home then, no smoke, yay.  It is a cabin air quality sensor, $92 
> new from Autohauz.  There are a few used sensors listed on ebay but they're 
> all outside the US and shipping is crazy.  I guess I need to hit the junkyard 
> and see if I can find one.  I don't think they are the same as on a 164 ML 
> but I need to check, I might have one.  I guess I need to hit a junkyard and 
> see if I might find one for a coupla $.
> 
> Anyway, that was kinda scary, I kept expecting flames to erupt from the dash 
> or something, maybe the fan motor (which is buried way up in there) was 
> shorted out or something.  I have never had something like that happen.  I 
> need to put a fire extinguisher in the GL, I bought a couple a few months ago 
> and they are sitting on the porch not being particularly useful.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-02 Thread Michael Canfield
Is it possible that someone heard it making all that noise and shut it off
for him?  Does he recall if the key was still on?

Mike
On Mar 1, 2012 10:26 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote:

 Just the bolts.  Thank  goodness it failed at idle.  I am not sure why it
 shut down...just lucky?

 Michael E. Esh


 On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

  Mike Esh wrote:
  You got it Jaimie!  All 4bolts holding the fan fell off and the fan and
 pulley were left dangling.
  Any one know Rusty's part number?
 
  For what, the bolts, the fan, or the radiator?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Dan Penoff
Broken air cleaner mount?

Dan


On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Mike Esh wrote:

 Thought we we had major problems with my son-in-law's 300TD a couple of days 
 ago.  He left it idling before work and came out to stalled vehicle.  When he 
 cranked it over it sounded like somebody dumped a box of rocks in the block.  
 Upon hearing the noise he did not attempt to start it again. Being on his way 
 to work he jumped in the spare car and left.  Before he had time to look 
 further into the situation my daughter called him and announced it was time 
 to have a baby.  Griffith Bryant, 8 lbs. 2 oz.
 
 We just went out to take a look at it.  Any guesses as to what the cause of 
 the noise is?
 First time 
 
 Mike
 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Rick Knoble

 From: michael...@me.com

 Thought we we had major problems with my son-in-law's 300TD a couple of days 
 ago. He left it idling before work and came out to stalled vehicle. When he 
 cranked it over it sounded like somebody dumped a box of rocks in  the 
 block. Before he had time to look further into the situation my daughter 
 called him and announced it was time to have a baby. Griffith Bryant, 8 lbs. 
 2 oz.

 Any guesses as to what the cause of the noise is?

Crying baby. Hungry. Dirty diaper. Colic. Congratulations on being a grandpa.

Oh, the car. Motor mount, air cleaner, vacuum pump, nailing injector(s) (from 
bad fuel), bad rod bearings...

From experience, if it is the motor mounts, change them ASAP and change the 
oil cooler lines while you are in there.
Worn motor mounts will destroy the oil cooler lines. 

Rick
  
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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
My guess is the fan hitting something...

Jaime


On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote:

 Thought we we had major problems with my son-in-law's 300TD a couple of
 days ago.  He left it idling before work and came out to stalled vehicle.
  When he cranked it over it sounded like somebody dumped a box of rocks in
 the block.  Upon hearing the noise he did not attempt to start it again.
 Being on his way to work he jumped in the spare car and left.  Before he
 had time to look further into the situation my daughter called him and
 announced it was time to have a baby.  Griffith Bryant, 8 lbs. 2 oz.

 We just went out to take a look at it.  Any guesses as to what the cause
 of the noise is?
 First time

 Mike

 Michael E. Esh


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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Mike Esh
Good guess, louder than that.

Michael E. Esh


On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:27 PM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Broken air cleaner mount?
 
 Dan
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:23 PM, Mike Esh wrote:
 
 Thought we we had major problems with my son-in-law's 300TD a couple of days 
 ago.  He left it idling before work and came out to stalled vehicle.  When 
 he cranked it over it sounded like somebody dumped a box of rocks in the 
 block.  Upon hearing the noise he did not attempt to start it again. Being 
 on his way to work he jumped in the spare car and left.  Before he had time 
 to look further into the situation my daughter called him and announced it 
 was time to have a baby.  Griffith Bryant, 8 lbs. 2 oz.
 
 We just went out to take a look at it.  Any guesses as to what the cause of 
 the noise is?
 First time 
 
 Mike
 
 Michael E. Esh
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Mike Esh
You got it Jaimie!  All 4bolts holding the fan fell off and the fan and pulley 
were left dangling.
Any one know Rusty's part number?

Michael E. Esh


On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:

 My guess is the fan hitting something...
 
 Jaime
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thought we we had major problems with my son-in-law's 300TD a couple of
 days ago.  He left it idling before work and came out to stalled vehicle.
 When he cranked it over it sounded like somebody dumped a box of rocks in
 the block.  Upon hearing the noise he did not attempt to start it again.
 Being on his way to work he jumped in the spare car and left.  Before he
 had time to look further into the situation my daughter called him and
 announced it was time to have a baby.  Griffith Bryant, 8 lbs. 2 oz.
 
 We just went out to take a look at it.  Any guesses as to what the cause
 of the noise is?
 First time
 
 Mike
 
 Michael E. Esh
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Mitch Haley

Mike Esh wrote:

You got it Jaimie!  All 4bolts holding the fan fell off and the fan and pulley 
were left dangling.
Any one know Rusty's part number?


For what, the bolts, the fan, or the radiator?

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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
Oh man... I hope the damage isn't too bad!  Good luck!

Jaime


On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote:

 You got it Jaimie!  All 4bolts holding the fan fell off and the fan and
 pulley were left dangling.
 Any one know Rusty's part number?

 Michael E. Esh


 On Mar 1, 2012, at 6:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote:

  My guess is the fan hitting something...
 
  Jaime
 
 
  On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote:
 
  Thought we we had major problems with my son-in-law's 300TD a couple of
  days ago.  He left it idling before work and came out to stalled
 vehicle.
  When he cranked it over it sounded like somebody dumped a box of rocks
 in
  the block.  Upon hearing the noise he did not attempt to start it again.
  Being on his way to work he jumped in the spare car and left.  Before he
  had time to look further into the situation my daughter called him and
  announced it was time to have a baby.  Griffith Bryant, 8 lbs. 2 oz.
 
  We just went out to take a look at it.  Any guesses as to what the cause
  of the noise is?
  First time
 
  Mike
 
  Michael E. Esh
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary noise from engine bay

2012-03-01 Thread Mike Esh
Just the bolts.  Thank  goodness it failed at idle.  I am not sure why it shut 
down...just lucky?

Michael E. Esh


On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Mike Esh wrote:
 You got it Jaimie!  All 4bolts holding the fan fell off and the fan and 
 pulley were left dangling.
 Any one know Rusty's part number?
 
 For what, the bolts, the fan, or the radiator?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-10 Thread David Brodbeck
Luther wrote:
 How the %#$*# fast were they going when that thing cut loose?  #(#%)($#%'in 
 morons!

The article sez 60 mph.  I don't know if that's an actual 60 mph, or an
uhm, yeah, I was only going '60 mph.'




Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-10 Thread Zeitgeist

This is interesting.  The other day, I picked up a large driveline by the
side of the road near my house.  One end was buried about 3' in the ground,
as if it flew off and torpedoed in there at a high rate of speed.  What's
interesting about the unit, is that it's entirely made of aluminum.  Very
lightweight and sturdy looking (the U-joint gave way).  About 4 in
diameter, so I assume it came from some kind of truck.  Not sure what I'm
gonna do with it, but I love collecting useless junk like this.

On 12/9/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The article sez 60 mph.  I don't know if that's an actual 60 mph, or an
uhm, yeah, I was only going '60 mph.'



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Olympia, WA
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'84 300D (218k)
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Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-10 Thread David Brodbeck
Zeitgeist wrote:
 This is interesting.  The other day, I picked up a large driveline by the
 side of the road near my house.  One end was buried about 3' in the ground,
 as if it flew off and torpedoed in there at a high rate of speed.  What's
 interesting about the unit, is that it's entirely made of aluminum.  Very
 lightweight and sturdy looking (the U-joint gave way).  About 4 in
 diameter, so I assume it came from some kind of truck.

Probably, at that size. Maybe it's one of those new aluminum-matrix
drivelines -- very light, very strong.

I once saw a semi stopped at the entrance to a weigh station.  The
driver was walking back towards what appeared to be a U-joint lying on
the off ramp.  Oops.




Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-10 Thread Luther
Makes you wonder if that was, hey honey, do you notice an odd thumping from 
below?  Yea, we might have a flat tire.  I'll pull over at the next exit.  Wait 
a minute, I'm not accellerating up this hill..even with my foot to the floor.  
What's wrong...do I have a fuel filter problem also??  Did I change my fuses 
lately  OH NO, the engine is racing and the thumping is worse  KILL IT 
NOW.

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 18:35:04 -0600, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Luther wrote:
 How the %#$*# fast were they going when that thing cut loose?  
 #(#%)($#%'in morons!

 The article sez 60 mph.  I don't know if that's an actual 60 mph, or an
 uhm, yeah, I was only going '60 mph.'





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Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-10 Thread Luther
In trucking, we have dropped drive lines all the time but rarely do they drop 
on the interstate.  Usually it's associated with sliding the trailer tandems, 
being stuck in a ditch/snow/mud when the driver overtorques the driveline.  
Only once have I delt with a driveline on the interstate at 63mph...happened in 
KCMO only about 3 miles from the International dealer.  Took a week to get the 
damn d/l from Canada

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 19:53:35 -0600, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Zeitgeist wrote:
 This is interesting.  The other day, I picked up a large driveline by the
 side of the road near my house.  One end was buried about 3' in the ground,
 as if it flew off and torpedoed in there at a high rate of speed.  What's
 interesting about the unit, is that it's entirely made of aluminum.  Very
 lightweight and sturdy looking (the U-joint gave way).  About 4 in
 diameter, so I assume it came from some kind of truck.

 Probably, at that size. Maybe it's one of those new aluminum-matrix
 drivelines -- very light, very strong.

 I once saw a semi stopped at the entrance to a weigh station.  The
 driver was walking back towards what appeared to be a U-joint lying on
 the off ramp.  Oops.




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'85 300D (280,176) parts car



Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
This was already posted here several days ago, and  a long discussion 
took place.


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Re: [MBZ] Scary pix pinched from the Ritter list

2006-12-09 Thread Luther
How the %#$*# fast were they going when that thing cut loose?  #(#%)($#%'in 
morons!  I've had several u-joint failures in my pre-MB days, and it's not that 
hard to pull over and call a wrecker when you hear that rhythmic thumping start 
up suddenly.geeze.

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Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-05-01 Thread l02turner
Craig wrote:It's even worse if you're flying and you smell something 
burning.


Very true -- there's just *no* where to pull over and check under the hood! 
If it's not right when the wheels leave the ground it's better not to have 
slipped the surly bonds of Earth


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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:14:26 -0700 David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Older VWs had one like that inside the headlight switch. I had the wire
in one break and short out to the switch frame, once. It's never a good
sign when you're driving and you smell something burning.


It's even worse if you're flying and you smell something burning.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Yes, the temp control lights on my 240D have been unpredictably flakey
for 3 or 4 years-sometimes touching the rheostat makes them on -other
times turns them off.
Dwight Giles, Jr
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1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
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 Question: could it be moisture that somehow bridged the gap and 
 allowed
 them
 to work? It's been raining all day.

   If the rheostat in your 240 is the same as
that 
in my 1983 300TD, it is a rather crude device with a coil of fine wire
glued 
into a ceramic base in semicircular form, with a wiper arm that rotates
over 
the coil.  The adhesive gave up in mine last year causing erratic
operation. 
Once I pulled the IC, the failed adhesive spilled out in a fine white 
powder.  I reset the coil in silicone adhesive in the base and it has
worked 
fine since.
 Peter Ferguson
 1983 300TD 

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Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread Jim Cathey
Well, at least I now have confirmation that the problem is the 
rheostat, and

that it also controls more than just the gauge cluster lights.


Yes indeedy, they're all hooked up to it.

Question: could it be moisture that somehow bridged the gap and 
allowed them

to work? It's been raining all day.


Random chance, really.  The rheostat can be disassembled and
cleaned and probably gotten going again, or you can replace it.
Pretty easy on a 123.  Pretty easy on anything but a 107, so far
as I can tell.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

turn it back and forth about 50 times and it might start working.

Zoltan Finks wrote:


Out driving this evening, I looked down and noticed two red arrows pointing
downward. Was like the car was trying to relay some evil cryptic message.
Gathered my sensed and realised that the lights in the temperature dials had
started working for the first time since I've owned the auto.

Soon I noticed that the lights in the switches for the sunroof, rear
defroster, etc. were illuminated. Again, a first.

This excited me, as it seemed to suggest that these lights could be healed
much like the my directionals were (as in pretty much all by themselves).

After parking the car to let the pooch run at the park, I got in and behold,
the right half of the dash lights were working (for the first time). I was
ecstatic. My first urge was to spin the rheostat around (thought it would
encourage the healing). As soon as I touched it, all the aforementioned
lights went out.

Well, at least I now have confirmation that the problem is the rheostat, and
that it also controls more than just the gauge cluster lights.

Question: could it be moisture that somehow bridged the gap and allowed them
to work? It's been raining all day.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread Zoltan Finks

Ah, the method that got the turn signals working. That's my kind of fix.

Actually I was twirling it as I drove home last night. Then I did something
real bright: I noticed that when turned all the way to the right, it turned
more without much force. I thought: ... Well, I don't know exactly what I
thought. I just turned it more to the right.

Off the knob and spring came. Doh.

I kind of put it back on once home.

I may wind up bridging the rheo., as discussed before, if more spinning
doesn't work.

Brian
83 240D
No mechanical genius.

On 4/30/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


turn it back and forth about 50 times and it might start working.

Zoltan Finks wrote:

 Out driving this evening, I looked down and noticed two red arrows
pointing
 downward. Was like the car was trying to relay some evil cryptic
message.
 Gathered my sensed and realised that the lights in the temperature dials
had
 started working for the first time since I've owned the auto.

 Soon I noticed that the lights in the switches for the sunroof, rear
 defroster, etc. were illuminated. Again, a first.

 This excited me, as it seemed to suggest that these lights could be
healed
 much like the my directionals were (as in pretty much all by
themselves).

 After parking the car to let the pooch run at the park, I got in and
behold,
 the right half of the dash lights were working (for the first time). I
was
 ecstatic. My first urge was to spin the rheostat around (thought it
would
 encourage the healing). As soon as I touched it, all the aforementioned
 lights went out.

 Well, at least I now have confirmation that the problem is the rheostat,
and
 that it also controls more than just the gauge cluster lights.

 Question: could it be moisture that somehow bridged the gap and allowed
them
 to work? It's been raining all day.

 Brian
 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread David Brodbeck
P. D. Ferguson wrote:
If the rheostat in your 240 is the same as that 
 in my 1983 300TD, it is a rather crude device with a coil of fine wire glued 
 into a ceramic base in semicircular form, with a wiper arm that rotates over 
 the coil.

Older VWs had one like that inside the headlight switch. I had the wire
in one break and short out to the switch frame, once. It's never a good
sign when you're driving and you smell something burning.


David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo



Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread Zoltan Finks

Which reminds me, I've wanted for a long time now to get a fire extinguisher
for each car we drive. I assume those, what is it? Halon? type are the
preferred ones (leave less powder behind, etc.?)

Brian
83 240D


On 4/30/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


P. D. Ferguson wrote:
If the rheostat in your 240 is the same as
that
 in my 1983 300TD, it is a rather crude device with a coil of fine wire
glued
 into a ceramic base in semicircular form, with a wiper arm that rotates
over
 the coil.

Older VWs had one like that inside the headlight switch. I had the wire
in one break and short out to the switch frame, once. It's never a good
sign when you're driving and you smell something burning.


David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

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Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:14:26 -0700 David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Older VWs had one like that inside the headlight switch. I had the wire
 in one break and short out to the switch frame, once. It's never a good
 sign when you're driving and you smell something burning.

It's even worse if you're flying and you smell something burning.



Craig



Re: [MBZ] Scary arrows

2006-04-30 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 4/30/06, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:14:26 -0700 David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Older VWs had one like that inside the headlight switch. I had the wire
 in one break and short out to the switch frame, once. It's never a good
 sign when you're driving and you smell something burning.

It's even worse if you're flying and you smell something burning.



Well, duh, just don't try to touch the sun, Icarus.


Re: [MBZ] Scary spots

2006-02-22 Thread l02turner

Hi Bill,
Wow!  I can understand the change his pants thing!!  That would have been 
me too!   BTW, the crane were sometimes used when we needed to check things 
at the top of the tower but not all the others from the bottom on up  -  and 
like the elevator operator they would let it free fall until a few feet from 
the ground!  WOuld drop from ~150' or so -- nothing *near* as scary as 3 
miles!


I had forgotten all that until you told the story but the crane operators at 
the shipyard would play their game on people going  to the ship while it was 
in drydock - before gangways were in place.  Machinist/etc would need to go 
aboard to take measurements so they could start making repair parts as soon 
as possible.  They'd get in a 4'x4' steel box open on top - and with a 
handrail around it - then the crane (the cranes sat ~80' atop long metal 
legs that travelled on RR tracks up and down the pier)  would pick up the 
box and before going to the ship they'd take the passengers as far up as 
possible, then swing them out wy over the river!


The crane operator did it to the wrong guy ince and was convinced he 
shouldn't play that particular joke anymore or he'd be singing tenor in the 
choir!


What a world -- being the new guy at work always had certain traditions -
;-)  Like sending the new guy from deep in the aircraft carrier we were 
working on to the toolshed on the pier (a mile+ walk) to bring back some 
left handed monkey wrenches - or blasting powder to remove some overhead 
studs.  Or weld their exposed steel safety shoes to the metal deck while 
they sleep at lunch - they would freak out thinking their leg was paralyzed. 
;-)


That's enuf for now --
;-)
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Sometimes while on the top platform the tower would sway in the breeze -
*very* disconcerting!

Larry - I am with you on the disconcerting events up high [Going to the 
top

in a bucket truck was enough for me] but a friend had one that topped
anything I can imagine.  He is an engineer who was visiting one of the
company deep mines somewhere.  He got on the 'elevator' and the operator 
did
the usual - let it free fall for three miles, just counting the white 
marks
on the cable so he would know when to stop.  Friend said after he decided 
he
was still alive he had to come back up and change pants. Did not see what 
he

had gone there to see, and decided he didn't need to if it meant another
trip like that.  No thanks.
BillR
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Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-22 Thread Jeff Zedic
Well that sounds good to me but in my experience and through friend's 
experiences, they were shit.


You'd NEVER catch me with a GM anyway.ugh


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
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Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-22 Thread David Brodbeck

Rich Thomas wrote:
They are going to push for that, and for the US (maybe Canadian too, 
wouldn't be surprised) taxpayer to pick up all their pension obligations 
too, whether by bankrupty or otherwise.


I've been saying that for a while.  United Airlines proved that it 
works.  Mark my words: GM will force the government to take over its 
pension obligations, either through negotiation or by declaring 
bankruptcy.  Once they've done it, Ford and Chrysler will follow, 
because they won't be able to compete with GM without shedding their 
obligations as well.


It's the end of an era.  Retirement is something my grandparents did; 
it's going to be out of reach for my generation.  It's going to be 
really tough for people in fields like IT, where age discrimination is 
rampant.




Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-22 Thread Luther Gulseth
this is why I plan ahead.  I plan to have 2-3million saved on my own, NOT  
DEPENDING ON ANY COMPANY to help.


On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:47:13 -0600, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Rich Thomas wrote:

They are going to push for that, and for the US (maybe Canadian too,
wouldn't be surprised) taxpayer to pick up all their pension obligations
too, whether by bankrupty or otherwise.


I've been saying that for a while.  United Airlines proved that it
works.  Mark my words: GM will force the government to take over its
pension obligations, either through negotiation or by declaring
bankruptcy.  Once they've done it, Ford and Chrysler will follow,
because they won't be able to compete with GM without shedding their
obligations as well.

It's the end of an era.  Retirement is something my grandparents did;
it's going to be out of reach for my generation.  It's going to be
really tough for people in fields like IT, where age discrimination is
rampant.

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Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-22 Thread TimothyPilgrim
How on Earth can you save that much?!? I'll be lucky to make that over
the course of my lifetime.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 11/22/05, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 this is why I plan ahead.  I plan to have 2-3million saved on my own, NOT
 DEPENDING ON ANY COMPANY to help.

 On Mon, 21 Nov 2005 19:47:13 -0600, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Rich Thomas wrote:
  They are going to push for that, and for the US (maybe Canadian too,
  wouldn't be surprised) taxpayer to pick up all their pension obligations
  too, whether by bankrupty or otherwise.
 
  I've been saying that for a while.  United Airlines proved that it
  works.  Mark my words: GM will force the government to take over its
  pension obligations, either through negotiation or by declaring
  bankruptcy.  Once they've done it, Ford and Chrysler will follow,
  because they won't be able to compete with GM without shedding their
  obligations as well.
 
  It's the end of an era.  Retirement is something my grandparents did;
  it's going to be out of reach for my generation.  It's going to be
  really tough for people in fields like IT, where age discrimination is
  rampant.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas
The company's contract with the United Auto Workers union essentially 
prevents layoffs before it expires in September 2007, as the company 
needs to pay union members whether or not there is a job for them.


--R

Gabriel S. wrote:


http://money.cnn.com/2005/11/21/news/fortune500/gm_cuts/index.htm?section=cnn_topstories

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Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread TimothyPilgrim
I live in the town next to GM's biggest Canadian plant - Oshawa (just
east of Toronto). I can see this being a big news item here. 2003
products (~ 820,000 produced):

Oshawa Car Plant Number 1 produces the Chevrolet Monte Carlo and
Impala passenger cars. Plant Number 2 produces the Buick Century,
Buick Regal and the new Pontiac Grand Prix passenger cars. The Oshawa
Truck Plant produces the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra full-size
extended cab pickup trucks.

http://email.gmcanada.com/corpdb/cachq/pressrel.nsf/0/1d6e2384bce8169985256d4900694dcf?OpenDocument

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 11/21/05, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The company's contract with the United Auto Workers union essentially
 prevents layoffs before it expires in September 2007, as the company
 needs to pay union members whether or not there is a job for them.

 --R



Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Jeff Zedic
And these short-sighted idiots are continuing to put sll their eggs in 
the one basket of big SUV's.


Talk about being the authours of their own misfortune!

Of all the US companies, GM more than anybody should be pushing for 
universal health coverage but they're stuck in the past on that one too!


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
(Born  raised in Oshawa next door to the plants)
87 300TD
83 300D



Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Gabriel S.
Talk about being the authours of their own misfortune!

their mistakes never cost them in the past...just look at the 80's


Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Jeff Zedic

Yeah, I remember the ads for the Xbody Chevys.

It's the first Chevy of the 80's and it turns out to be the WORST 
chevy of the 80's..


Of course it helps to have a populace that was raised on their 
mediocrity and swallows the propaganda about supporting their neighbours 
by buying our cars...


Where is that same patriotism now?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D



Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Steve MacSween
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It's the first Chevy of the 80's and it turns out to be the WORST
 chevy of the 80's...

I disagree. Those honours HAVE to go to the Celebrity, at least the early
ones.

Disagreeable, crude and handled like a shopping cart.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Rich Thomas
They are going to push for that, and for the US (maybe Canadian too, 
wouldn't be surprised) taxpayer to pick up all their pension obligations 
too, whether by bankrupty or otherwise.  Sweet deal for the union 
workers all around -- get paid whether you work or not, great pension 
bennies paid for by the taxpayer.  Oh, and I'm sure the really really 
smart high-paid GM execs will get theirs too.


Build crap for years, lose market share, keep negotiating those great 
deals, get your exec perks, then throw it all on the taxpayer.


--R (with 3 chebbie trucks right now)

Jeff Zedic wrote:



Of all the US companies, GM more than anybody should be pushing for 
universal health coverage but they're stuck in the past on that one too!



 






Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Jeff Zedic

It was worse than the Citation??


Wow that's saying something~!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD
83 300D



Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Gabriel S.
Where is that same patriotism now?

Probally in the same place voting for George W.


Re: [MBZ] Scary

2005-11-21 Thread Loren Faeth

Lessee.

Mercedes Benz, Toada, Nissan, and Hondog are all American made  (at least 
one plant in the US)
Many Detroit products are Japanese cars built in the US, Mexico, Japan or 
who knows where.


Buy one and support your neighbor.

Guess we are all patriots because Chrysler is an American company, Right?

At 02:56 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote:

Where is that same patriotism now?