Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-05 Thread Mitch Haley

Jon Agne wrote:

Friday afternoon sucks for ordering parts you need NOW.  Try the dealer.


...if your car was available for sale in the last ten years.
If you want something like a rack boot for an AWD E class that's been out of 
production for nine years, you might be SOL at the dealer too. Maybe I should 
have said something like 'if cars using that part are still in warranty'.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-05 Thread Rich Thomas

I used to live in Arlington

--R

On 1/4/13 6:48 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Sure. Sounds like a plan. When 'n where?

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


Winchendon, 'bout 60 miles.

We could do breakfast, I've met Fred in Ayer several times. Maybe he and Luke 
are up for breakfast?

-Curt

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:56:51 -0500
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How far away are you? I'm in Arlington.

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:


My house? I've got a couple spares...

Rusty definitely. FLAPS maybe.

Be sure you need it first, I'd concur you've got a battery issue.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-05 Thread dseretakis
Ahlington:)

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On Jan 5, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
wrote:

 I used to live in Arlington
 
 --R
 
 On 1/4/13 6:48 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Sure. Sounds like a plan. When 'n where?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Winchendon, 'bout 60 miles.
 
 We could do breakfast, I've met Fred in Ayer several times. Maybe he and 
 Luke are up for breakfast?
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:56:51 -0500
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
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 How far away are you? I'm in Arlington.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 My house? I've got a couple spares...
 
 Rusty definitely. FLAPS maybe.
 
 Be sure you need it first, I'd concur you've got a battery issue.
 
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-05 Thread dseretakis
Hey Fred,
I decided to just get a new remanufactured alternator. Thanks for the offer 
though!
Dimitri.

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 Curt, Dimitri.
 I have a new no name regulator that you can have.
 Today, 1-4-2013 Friday, I'm in Pittsburgh PA until Sun and will return in 
 late p.m.
 If you would like it during the week I could mail, or?
 We could breakfast together next Sat./Sun ? 
  
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel preferred.
 
 
 
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 Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 6:15 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
 
 Winchendon, 'bout 60 miles.
 
 We could do breakfast, I've met Fred in Ayer several times. Maybe he and 
 Luke are up for breakfast?
 
 -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-05 Thread Rich Thomas

Right next to Meffah

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On 1/5/13 10:25 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Ahlington:)

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On Jan 5, 2013, at 10:12 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
wrote:


I used to live in Arlington

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Greg Fiorentino
IME in almost every case it is the voltage regulator/brushes module that is
bad.  At $20-30 and about 15 minutes of work it is a piece of cake.  Out of
all the times I have gone through this with my 123s and 126s, only once did
I have to put in a new (used) alternator.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well.
It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a
booster pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery and
installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the end of
the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then noticed
that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. My old
battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time to call
the Q.

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:15 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote:

 IME in almost every case it is the voltage regulator/brushes module that is
 bad.  At $20-30 and about 15 minutes of work it is a piece of cake.  Out of
 all the times I have gone through this with my 123s and 126s, only once did
 I have to put in a new (used) alternator.
 
 Greg
 
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 dsereta...@yahoo.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 3:22 PM
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 Subject: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
 
 For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well.
 It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a
 booster pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery and
 installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the end of
 the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then noticed
 that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. My old
 battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time to call
 the Q.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Tim C
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?


I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts
and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
 I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
 easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts
 and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Greg Fiorentino
On the 123s and 126s the key for me was a small offset ratchet screwdriver.
On my back for only about 10 minutes.  I can't imagine to RR the alternator
would be faster or easier.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?


I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is easier.
Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts and nuts
are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread OK Don
Yes or Yes ---

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

  On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
  I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
  easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the
 bolts
  and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
  Best,
  Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
Flaps a no go so far.

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:20 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes or Yes ---
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
 I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
 easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the
 bolts
 and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread OK Don
NAPA? If not, call Q.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Flaps a no go so far.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:20 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes or Yes ---
 
  On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
  Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
  I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
  easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the
  bolts
  and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
  Best,
  Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Strangely I'm the opposite, mine almost always require an alternator.

BTW about 100 miles on the '84 190D's replacement alternator and apparently I 
got the spacing right to keep the belt okay. I did stop and get a new belt 
before heading to the airport for my latest trip. I worried that if I didn't 
I'd be stranded but if I did there would of course be no problem. This time I 
decided to go with discretion...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:15:15 -0800
From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
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IME in almost every case it is the voltage regulator/brushes module that is
bad.  At $20-30 and about 15 minutes of work it is a piece of cake.  Out of
all the times I have gone through this with my 123s and 126s, only once did
I have to put in a new (used) alternator.

Greg

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Jon Agne
Friday afternoon sucks for ordering parts you need NOW.  Try the dealer.

Although I must say that Q had parts to me on Saturday morning, but I ordered 
them by 3pm on Friday.

Good luck,  Jon


On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:27 PM, OK Don wrote:

 NAPA? If not, call Q.
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Flaps a no go so far.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:20 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes or Yes ---
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
 I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
 easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the
 bolts
 and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Having just done this I think the ease of removal on a 123 involves 2 factors:
1. Tensioning device
2. Presence of salt on the roads (and driving the car in said salt)

My '78 240D has the older gear type tensioning device and it was an absolute 
bugger to get the bolt out, I think the presence of salt made that worse.

OTOH my '84 190D was super duper easy. Remove the belt and wiring (pull the 
negative battery cable first!) pull 2, drop out alternator, put in new 
alternator and assuming they're exactly the same (mine was NOT) its two bolts 
back in, belt back on, wiring, ground cable and you're done. The lack of 
pivoting on the 190D alternator makes the bolts easier...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:50:52 -0500
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On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?


I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts
and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.

Best,
Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
My house? I've got a couple spares...

Rusty definitely. FLAPS maybe.

Be sure you need it first, I'd concur you've got a battery issue.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:59:50 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
Message-ID: 011888d2-458b-42c1-bdf0-72b195d7f...@yahoo.com
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Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?

 I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
 easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts
 and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.

 Best,
 Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
Ok all. So it looks like both a 55A and 65A alternator is available for 1982. 
Anyone know which one is on my car-82 240D?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:27 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 NAPA? If not, call Q.
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:24 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Flaps a no go so far.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:20 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes or Yes ---
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
 I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
 easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the
 bolts
 and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
 Best,
 Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
How far away are you? I'm in Arlington.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My house? I've got a couple spares...
 
 Rusty definitely. FLAPS maybe.
 
 Be sure you need it first, I'd concur you've got a battery issue.
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:59:50 -0500
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
 Message-ID: 011888d2-458b-42c1-bdf0-72b195d7f...@yahoo.com
 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
 
 Where do I get the VR/brush assembly? FLAPS, Rusty?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
 I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
 easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts
 and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
 Best,
 Tim
 
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
Salt. Definitely. Snapped a bolt just taking off those battery hold down clamps.

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:39 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Having just done this I think the ease of removal on a 123 involves 2 factors:
 1. Tensioning device
 2. Presence of salt on the roads (and driving the car in said salt)
 
 My '78 240D has the older gear type tensioning device and it was an absolute 
 bugger to get the bolt out, I think the presence of salt made that worse.
 
 OTOH my '84 190D was super duper easy. Remove the belt and wiring (pull the 
 negative battery cable first!) pull 2, drop out alternator, put in new 
 alternator and assuming they're exactly the same (mine was NOT) its two bolts 
 back in, belt back on, wiring, ground cable and you're done. The lack of 
 pivoting on the 190D alternator makes the bolts easier...
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:50:52 -0500
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
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 On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?
 
 I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
 easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts
 and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.
 
 Best,
 Tim
 
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Craig
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:55:19 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Ok all. So it looks like both a 55A and 65A alternator is available for
 1982. Anyone know which one is on my car-82 240D?

On Rusty's website,

http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1982-Mercedes--benz-240d-Engine--Electricalyearid=1982%40%401982makeid=63%40%40Mercedes-Benzmodelid=6142%3AED|1129%3AMBC|1489%40%40240Dcatid=240798%40%40Engine

says 55 A and 65 A.


Clicking on the 55 A alternator link takes one to

http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=yearid=1982@@1982makeid=63@@Mercedes-Benzmodelid=6142%3AED|1129%3AMBC|1489@@240Dcatid=240798@@Engine

which has a 60 A and a 74 A alternator. The description of the 74 A
alternator says,

This Bosch alternator has an internal voltage regulator, but it will
replace the alternator on some applications that use an external
regulator by bypassing the existing external regulator. See
Application Notice #B-23 in the Bosch reman catalog for more
information. MB discontinued using the old 55 amp alternators on the
Turbo motors in fav or of the 65 amp alternators. ;74 Amp;


It appears that the 74 A alternator would be a viable alternative at
$152.38, but the 60 A alternator at $115.00 seems viable, too.

The best bet is to call Rusty (1-800-741-5252) on Monday, or hope he
chimes in over the weekend.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Craig
On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:56:51 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 How far away are you? I'm in Arlington.

Curt is in northern Massachusetts.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread WILTON

I've done it on coupla 123's; found it very easy in place.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net

To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.


On the 123s and 126s the key for me was a small offset ratchet 
screwdriver.
On my back for only about 10 minutes.  I can't imagine to RR the 
alternator

would be faster or easier.

Greg

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:51 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?



I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is 
easier.
Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts and 
nuts

are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Curt Raymond
Winchendon, 'bout 60 miles.

We could do breakfast, I've met Fred in Ayer several times. Maybe he and Luke 
are up for breakfast?

-Curt

Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:56:51 -0500
From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
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How far away are you? I'm in Arlington.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 My house? I've got a couple spares...

 Rusty definitely. FLAPS maybe.

 Be sure you need it first, I'd concur you've got a battery issue.

 -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
Yes. I read all that on his site but it still doesn't give me a definitive 
answer.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:55:19 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Ok all. So it looks like both a 55A and 65A alternator is available for
 1982. Anyone know which one is on my car-82 240D?
 
 On Rusty's website,
 
 http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1982-Mercedes--benz-240d-Engine--Electricalyearid=1982%40%401982makeid=63%40%40Mercedes-Benzmodelid=6142%3AED|1129%3AMBC|1489%40%40240Dcatid=240798%40%40Engine
 
 says 55 A and 65 A.
 
 
 Clicking on the 55 A alternator link takes one to
 
 http://www.buymbparts.biz/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=yearid=1982@@1982makeid=63@@Mercedes-Benzmodelid=6142%3AED|1129%3AMBC|1489@@240Dcatid=240798@@Engine
 
 which has a 60 A and a 74 A alternator. The description of the 74 A
 alternator says,
 
This Bosch alternator has an internal voltage regulator, but it will
replace the alternator on some applications that use an external
regulator by bypassing the existing external regulator. See
Application Notice #B-23 in the Bosch reman catalog for more
information. MB discontinued using the old 55 amp alternators on the
Turbo motors in fav or of the 65 amp alternators. ;74 Amp;
 
 
 It appears that the 74 A alternator would be a viable alternative at
 $152.38, but the 60 A alternator at $115.00 seems viable, too.
 
 The best bet is to call Rusty (1-800-741-5252) on Monday, or hope he
 chimes in over the weekend.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
Sure. Sounds like a plan. When 'n where?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Winchendon, 'bout 60 miles.
 
 We could do breakfast, I've met Fred in Ayer several times. Maybe he and Luke 
 are up for breakfast?
 
 -Curt
 
 Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 17:56:51 -0500
 From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
 Message-ID: d8754915-861c-489c-b630-42b32bb35...@yahoo.com
 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
 
 How far away are you? I'm in Arlington.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:40 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 My house? I've got a couple spares...
 
 Rusty definitely. FLAPS maybe.
 
 Be sure you need it first, I'd concur you've got a battery issue.
 
 -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Fmiser
  Greg wrote:
 
  IME in almost every case it is the voltage regulator/brushes
  module that is bad.  At $20-30 and about 15 minutes of work
  it is a piece of cake.  Out of all the times I have gone
  through this with my 123s and 126s, only once did I have to
  put in a new (used) alternator.

 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?

On a W123, generally no.  But a turbo makes things kinda tight.

--   Philip


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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread OK Don
IIRC, the 240D had the 55A alternator - why waste power pushing electrons
around that you don't need? The cars with more electrical accesories got
larger capacity alternators. They won't hurt, but it's unlikely that you
need any more than 55A.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 5:43 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Yes. I read all that on his site but it still doesn't give me a definitive
 answer.

 Sent from my iPhone





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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Dieselhead
You don't hurt anything using a larger alternator.  I'd go for the 65 
or larger.  55 was probably changed to 65 with the MBNA insistence 
that US model 240Ds were luxury cars and had to have electric 
winders, sunroof and every other thing they could think of to hang on 
the US models.


I'd go for the 65 or larger.  (assuming equal price)



IIRC, the 240D had the 55A alternator - why waste power pushing electrons
around that you don't need? The cars with more electrical accesories got
larger capacity alternators. They won't hurt, but it's unlikely that you
need any more than 55A.


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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread dseretakis
The 65A looks a bit different. Will it fit? Yes it's a bit more money.

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On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:53 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 You don't hurt anything using a larger alternator.  I'd go for the 65 or 
 larger.  55 was probably changed to 65 with the MBNA insistence that US model 
 240Ds were luxury cars and had to have electric winders, sunroof and every 
 other thing they could think of to hang on the US models.
 
 I'd go for the 65 or larger.  (assuming equal price)
 
 
 IIRC, the 240D had the 55A alternator - why waste power pushing electrons
 around that you don't need? The cars with more electrical accesories got
 larger capacity alternators. They won't hurt, but it's unlikely that you
 need any more than 55A.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Hendrik and fay
If the alternator is old enough to have worn out the brushes you should 
at least check the bearings if not actually replacing them.


Hendrik
who has replaced a few bearings

On 05/01/13 08:20, Tim C wrote:

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 4:42 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:


Does the alternator have to come out for this repair?


I believe the answer is strictly, no, but personally I think it is
easier.  Replacing the alternator on a 123 is pretty quick if all the bolts
and nuts are good, and you wind up with less time on your back.

Best,
Tim




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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Frederick Moir
Curt, Dimitri.
I have a new no name regulator that you can have.
Today, 1-4-2013 Friday, I'm in Pittsburgh PA until Sun and will return in late 
p.m.
If you would like it during the week I could mail, or?
We could breakfast together next Sat./Sun ? 
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



 From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
 
Winchendon, 'bout 60 miles.

We could do breakfast, I've met Fred in Ayer several times. Maybe he and Luke 
are up for breakfast?

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Dieselhead
Then go with a 55.  But still try the brush/regulator set first. 
Last one I bought was around $17, but that was a while ago.



The 65A looks a bit different. Will it fit? Yes it's a bit more money.

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-04 Thread Fmiser
 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Snapped a bolt just taking off those battery hold down clamps.

Ugh.  But a battery hold down bolt usually isn't the fault of
salt.  Battery acid is more corrosive than salt.  Everything
near the battery is prone to heavy corrosion.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-03 Thread clay monroe
Not really.

The battery was probably on its last legs anyway.  Figure 5-7 year life for a 
battery.  Prorated warranty covers five years and the last two are gravy if it 
lives that long.   At least that is the life cycle I am getting out of my cars 
for the most part.  Eight years is a long in the tooth battery and ready for 
exchange.




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On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well. 
 It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a booster 
 pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery and 
 installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the end of 
 the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then noticed 
 that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. My old 
 battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time to call 
 the Q.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-03 Thread Rich Thomas
It would have crapped out in a cold spell anyway, now you (will) have 
both new.


--R

On 1/3/13 6:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well. 
It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a booster 
pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery and installed 
it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the end of the trip 
noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then noticed that the 
headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. My old battery was 
probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time to call the Q.

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-03 Thread Craig
On Thu, 3 Jan 2013 18:22:01 -0500 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Time to call the Q.

Yup, 1-800-741-5252.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-03 Thread WILTON
Trying to nurse a battery beyond 7 years is somewhat like trying to nurse 
that sticking/finiky master switch into turning when you need it most, 
isn't?


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.



Not really.

The battery was probably on its last legs anyway.  Figure 5-7 year life 
for a battery.  Prorated warranty covers five years and the last two are 
gravy if it lives that long.   At least that is the life cycle I am 
getting out of my cars for the most part.  Eight years is a long in the 
tooth battery and ready for exchange.





clay


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very 
well. It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use 
a booster pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new 
battery and installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and 
at the end of the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were 
dim. I then noticed that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed 
alternator. My old battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a 
load test! Time to call the Q.


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Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.

2013-01-03 Thread dseretakis
Well I guess I don't feel as much of an idiot then:)

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On Jan 3, 2013, at 7:30 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Trying to nurse a battery beyond 7 years is somewhat like trying to nurse 
 that sticking/finiky master switch into turning when you need it most, isn't?
 
 Wilton
 
 - Original Message - From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:27 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Should have known better- alternator woes.
 
 
 Not really.
 
 The battery was probably on its last legs anyway.  Figure 5-7 year life for 
 a battery.  Prorated warranty covers five years and the last two are gravy 
 if it lives that long.   At least that is the life cycle I am getting out of 
 my cars for the most part.  Eight years is a long in the tooth battery and 
 ready for exchange.
 
 
 
 
 clay
 
 
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 3:22 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 For the past month or so my battery hasn't been holding a charge very well. 
 It's 8 plus years old so I figured it was failing plus I had to use a 
 booster pack to start it up yesterday. So anyway, I bought a new battery 
 and installed it today.  I then drove up to Maine from Boston and at the 
 end of the trip noticed that the instrument cluster lights were dim. I then 
 noticed that the headlights were also dim. Duh, it's a failed alternator. 
 My old battery was probably just fine! Shoulda performed a load test! Time 
 to call the Q.
 
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