Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Donald Snook wrote: What are you talking about with Reagan? In 1986, President Reagan signed a federal law banning the manufacture of machine guns for the civilian market and banning the transfer and possession of machine guns not lawfully possessed before May 19, 1986. These firearms, if used heavily, tend to wear out pretty quickly, so you can actually get rid of them this way, except for a few collector's items that are never fired. You're apparently still young enough to believe that Repugnants are different from Demonrats. Reagan and GWB have done more to grow government and shrink individual liberties than FDR, LBJ, and WJC put together. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
You're apparently still young enough to believe that Repugnants are different from Demonrats. Reagan and GWB have done more to grow government and shrink individual liberties than FDR, LBJ, and WJC put together. Together both parties have run a pretty impressive good cop, bad cop scam for years. All anyone really does is argue about which party is which cop. Doesn't change the game any. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Jim Cathey wrote: Together both parties have run a pretty impressive good cop, bad cop scam for years. All anyone really does is argue about which party is which cop. Doesn't change the game any. I'm beginning to think the real scam is in convincing us that there are two different parties involved. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Mitch wrote: In 1986, President Reagan signed a federal law banning the manufacture of machine guns for the civilian market and banning the transfer and possession of machine guns not lawfully possessed before May 19, 1986. You're apparently still young enough to believe that Repugnants are different from Demonrats. Reagan and GWB have done more to grow government and shrink individual liberties than FDR, LBJ, and WJC put together. You are apparently too old to know that the machine gun ban was proposed (and forced through the legislation at night literally under cover of darkness) by William Hughes a democrat from New Jersey. President Reagan signed FOPA into law because he believed that the act offered more protections than it took away. IN ADDITION, the act was supported by the NRA. In fact, the NRA lobbied on behalf of its passage. This act is one of those that President Reagan referenced as a reason he wanted a line-item veto. If he had it, he could have take out the Hughes amendment. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Donald Snook wrote: In fact, the NRA lobbied on behalf of its passage. Just one of many reasons that NRA stands for Negotiates Rights Away. An alternative meaning is National Republican Association. The NRA supports gun control much the same as the NAACP supports racial strife. In both cases, they claim to be fighting against something that ensures their continued funding. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
yeah, but realize that mitch also believes the nra is anti-gun as well. On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch wrote: In 1986, President Reagan signed a federal law banning the manufacture of machine guns for the civilian market and banning the transfer and possession of machine guns not lawfully possessed before May 19, 1986. You're apparently still young enough to believe that Repugnants are different from Demonrats. Reagan and GWB have done more to grow government and shrink individual liberties than FDR, LBJ, and WJC put together. You are apparently too old to know that the machine gun ban was proposed (and forced through the legislation at night literally under cover of darkness) by William Hughes a democrat from New Jersey. President Reagan signed FOPA into law because he believed that the act offered more protections than it took away. IN ADDITION, the act was supported by the NRA. In fact, the NRA lobbied on behalf of its passage. This act is one of those that President Reagan referenced as a reason he wanted a line-item veto. If he had it, he could have take out the Hughes amendment. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Gary Hurst wrote: yeah, but realize that mitch also believes the nra is anti-gun as well. That pretty much sums up my opinion. They lobbied for NFA '34 GCA '68, they wrote the provisions for the National Instant Check System (AKA prior restraint on civil rights), they helped Carolyn McCarthy write and pass an anti gun owner bill last year, thereby giving that despicable woman the appearance of respect that she had long needed... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) (Rich Thomas)
Sorry guys, I don't understand some of this stuff. How can Mercedes owners disparage about BMW owners? My little secret confession - I own an old MBZ diesel for comfort and utility. And I own an old BMW .. for fun. The first time I drove one of those nimble little rockets, I decided that some day I gotta git one a doze. But people who drive any other brand of car seem quick to assume a jerk off attitude by anyone who drives a BMW. It is the ultimate of ludicrous to read it on a Mercedes list. Like - isn't everyone that drives a Mercedes a prestige driven snob? Oh well, back to wrench turning to keep this old German stuff on the road. Ned Kleinhenz E300D Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) (Rich Thomas)
Reason is that around here all the yuppie poseurs (and their wives or girlfriends) buy one, usually a 3 series, when they get a bit of money and then proceed to drive them like jerks, aux lights on all the time, yapping on their cell phones, and generally annoying me (and I presume lots of other people too). So, my analysis, all BMW owners are jerks is probably wrong, but there are enough anecdotal examples to draw a conclusion that a lot of them are. The other, all jerks are BMW owners, is probably incorrect too, as it is mostly jerks with enough money. But I have several friends and neighbors who have 3-series BMWs, and they are not usually jerks, but I have caught them driving with their aux lights on, and when I tell them about it and how annoying it is, they seem to understand and alter their behavior accordingly to be good citizens. And besides all that, I think it is just a necessity that if you are a Benz owner, you have to trash talk BMW owners, even if you are both, you can still do it when you drive one car or the other, and you get double the fun! And don't even get me going on them Porsh owners... --R ned kleinhenz wrote: Sorry guys, I don't understand some of this stuff. How can Mercedes owners disparage about BMW owners? My little secret confession - I own an old MBZ diesel for comfort and utility. And I own an old BMW .. for fun. The first time I drove one of those nimble little rockets, I decided that some day I gotta git one a doze. But people who drive any other brand of car seem quick to assume a jerk off attitude by anyone who drives a BMW. It is the ultimate of ludicrous to read it on a Mercedes list. Like - isn't everyone that drives a Mercedes a prestige driven snob? Oh well, back to wrench turning to keep this old German stuff on the road. Ned Kleinhenz E300D Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) (Rich Thomas)
Oh come on, tell us about those porsh owners??? lol. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/6/15 Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Reason is that around here all the yuppie poseurs (and their wives or girlfriends) buy one, usually a 3 series, when they get a bit of money and then proceed to drive them like jerks, aux lights on all the time, yapping on their cell phones, and generally annoying me (and I presume lots of other people too). So, my analysis, all BMW owners are jerks is probably wrong, but there are enough anecdotal examples to draw a conclusion that a lot of them are. The other, all jerks are BMW owners, is probably incorrect too, as it is mostly jerks with enough money. But I have several friends and neighbors who have 3-series BMWs, and they are not usually jerks, but I have caught them driving with their aux lights on, and when I tell them about it and how annoying it is, they seem to understand and alter their behavior accordingly to be good citizens. And besides all that, I think it is just a necessity that if you are a Benz owner, you have to trash talk BMW owners, even if you are both, you can still do it when you drive one car or the other, and you get double the fun! And don't even get me going on them Porsh owners... --R ned kleinhenz wrote: Sorry guys, I don't understand some of this stuff. How can Mercedes owners disparage about BMW owners? My little secret confession - I own an old MBZ diesel for comfort and utility. And I own an old BMW .. for fun. The first time I drove one of those nimble little rockets, I decided that some day I gotta git one a doze. But people who drive any other brand of car seem quick to assume a jerk off attitude by anyone who drives a BMW. It is the ultimate of ludicrous to read it on a Mercedes list. Like - isn't everyone that drives a Mercedes a prestige driven snob? Oh well, back to wrench turning to keep this old German stuff on the road. Ned Kleinhenz E300D Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Mitch wrote: And how do you place (thanks, Ron Reagan) a total ban on the licensing of constitutionally guaranteed property that wasn't previously licensed and taxed? What are you talking about with Reagan? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) (Rich Thomas)
It's like the rivalry between GM and Fraud, each thinks the other are a bunch of wallys. Obviously I am biased but generally money waster drivers tend to be worse drivers, displaying a lot of bad habits. I don't think so much prestige driven (specially not with bargain bin Mercs) but more the desire for quality and a car that is worth putting money and effort into. Hendrik who is off to the country club for a round of golf and then may take the yacht for a spin, perhaps I'll have time to fire up the private jet for quick trip ned kleinhenz wrote: Sorry guys, I don't understand some of this stuff. How can Mercedes owners disparage about BMW owners? My little secret confession - I own an old MBZ diesel for comfort and utility. And I own an old BMW .. for fun. The first time I drove one of those nimble little rockets, I decided that some day I gotta git one a doze. But people who drive any other brand of car seem quick to assume a jerk off attitude by anyone who drives a BMW. It is the ultimate of ludicrous to read it on a Mercedes list. Like - isn't everyone that drives a Mercedes a prestige driven snob? Oh well, back to wrench turning to keep this old German stuff on the road. Ned Kleinhenz E300D Z3 2.8 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Life's just no fun. ;-) Personally, I always wanted a pair of the most powerful Cibie's driving lights possible mounted so when ever someone was driving 55 in the passing lane - I could turn on those Big Momma driving lights and melts the rear end of their car until it exploded in flame. Then they'd turn off that dam left-turn signal and pull over! Or the absolte worst (even worse than Left lane bandits) are those that pull onto the on ramp then must STOP and turn around slowly to watch the traffic zoom past while everyone behind them slams on the brakes to avoid the moron - yep, light 'em up until he explodes then push his a$$ out of the way. See? I'm non-violent! Course, some wise you know what will get on his cell and tell them something about a driver with illegal equipment... then all the fun is over - along with the buzz --- ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) You are such a buzz killer. --R LarryT wrote: You can probably mount one - and it'll be ok until you use it *once* as the police will hunt you down like a dog and charge you with attempted murder or at least assault with a deadly weapon.! Then the problem will be gone. And Rich will be getting to know his new cellmate. Can you say hide the soap? ;-) see - these things are self limiting. But sure, you can have one (IMHO) ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) I would like a high-powered UV laser to mount on my truck, a kilowatt or three should be sufficient, adaptive optics, gimballed lock and track, voice-controlled automatic target ID and firing, so I can fry the tires of the idiots who cut in front me on the freeway without using signals. And maybe to etch little love notes in the paint of their trunks and rear hatches. And to repel foreign and domestic threats too. Where can I get me one a them? Do I need a permit? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Hey Mitch, You're right - but we, being peons are supposed to be grateful for the little crumbs the 536 morons inside the beltway see fit to give us. Even though I and you and at least 30 million more like us believe strongly in the 2nd Amendment I can see the time when we could lose them completely a piece at a time. Granted, it would bring this country closer to a revolution than anything else I can think of - but unless something dramatic happens the 2nd A will continue to be weakened and watered down until it;s meaningless. It's encouraging to see Shall Issue laws being passed in 40 states IIRC, but they still hold onto control pretty tightly. Just like everything else. We're nice little servents and freedom is only an illusion. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Ya'll probably know there are people who own awesome fully auto weapons already - all needed is a license which comes with a background check and fee. But how do you license and tax a constitutionally guaranteed civil right? Is it OK if I make you pass a background check and pay a $200 tax every time you go to church? And how do you place (thanks, Ron Reagan) a total ban on the licensing of constitutionally guaranteed property that wasn't previously licensed and taxed? Those awesome full autos you mention might be $500-2000 new, but you haven't been able to buy a new one since 1986, the old ones are either not being used or wearing out, and if they are in good condition they start at about $5000 for a Uzi and I think a M16 is more like $20,000. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
I put a pair of 100W Dick Cepek off-road pencil beams (you get a mile or so of reach on the beach, like daylight) on my old Blazer, had them aimed right into the windshield of that oncoming BMW that always has its aux driving lights on, and aimed right at my eyes. Blink the brights a few times, BMW driver blinks his to show s/he does not have the high-beams on, then hit the eye-burners (hey look at my way cool aux driving lights, why, they're just like yours, sorta!). Of course the geniuses driving the BMWs never understand, but there is some other factor at work there I think. The same behavior has spread to most of the drivers of lux-cars that have the aux lights, and of course big-ass SUVs that have them higher off the road but still aimed right in your eyes for some reason. I guess they think it looks cool or something to drive around the wilds of street-lighted urbia with their extra lights on. I have pointed out to various dimwits occasionally that their lights are inappropriate and offensive when pointed at another driver, I usually get told to FO or something similar by the good citizens. I have quit doing that as I do not want to get shot by someone who feels his manhood has been impugned, though most BMW drivers probably would not be packing anything but a cell phone. --R LarryT wrote: Life's just no fun. ;-) Personally, I always wanted a pair of the most powerful Cibie's driving lights possible mounted so when ever someone was driving 55 in the passing lane - I could turn on those Big Momma driving lights and melts the rear end of their car until it exploded in flame. Then they'd turn off that dam left-turn signal and pull over! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Rich Thomas wrote: I have pointed out to various dimwits occasionally that their lights are inappropriate and offensive when pointed at another driver, I usually get told to FO or something similar by the good citizens. That's why I always carry a pocket knife. Copper wire cuts easy, unless it's encased in steel conduit. (OTOH, most of these morons are using factory installed lights without exposed wiring) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
I would like a high-powered UV laser to mount on my truck, a kilowatt or three should be sufficient, adaptive optics, gimballed lock and track, voice-controlled automatic target ID and firing, so I can fry the tires of the idiots who cut in front me on the freeway without using signals. And maybe to etch little love notes in the paint of their trunks and rear hatches. And to repel foreign and domestic threats too. Where can I get me one a them? Do I need a permit? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
My s.o. using suggested paintball on these traffic anarchists... On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like a high-powered UV laser to mount on my truck, a kilowatt or three should be sufficient, adaptive optics, gimballed lock and track, voice-controlled automatic target ID and firing, so I can fry the tires of the idiots who cut in front me on the freeway without using signals. And maybe to etch little love notes in the paint of their trunks and rear hatches. And to repel foreign and domestic threats too. Where can I get me one a them? Do I need a permit? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
andrew strasfogel wrote: My s.o. using suggested paintball on these traffic anarchists... Didn't somebody on this list suggest dart guns, and if a car has two darts on it the cops get to pull him over and write him a ticket? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had a buddy who had this little spring loaded gun that fired darts with a suction cup on them. They also had a little flag that was rolled around the stem, which would unroll after being fired. In the interest of not offending fellow listmembers, I won't repeat the text that was on the flags, but it was not complimentary in any way and usually reflected an opinion of the offending driver's driving abilities (or lack thereof.) Dan andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My s.o. using suggested paintball on these traffic anarchists... On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like a high-powered UV laser to mount on my truck, a kilowatt or three should be sufficient, adaptive optics, gimballed lock and track, voice-controlled automatic target ID and firing, so I can fry the tires of the idiots who cut in front me on the freeway without using signals. And maybe to etch little love notes in the paint of their trunks and rear hatches. And to repel foreign and domestic threats too. Where can I get me one a them? Do I need a permit? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Good idea, but you would have to limit the number of darts available to any one driver. Some folks do go overboard and/or have a short fuse. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:42 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) andrew strasfogel wrote: My s.o. using suggested paintball on these traffic anarchists... Didn't somebody on this list suggest dart guns, and if a car has two darts on it the cops get to pull him over and write him a ticket? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
prev comments private ownership of field pieces and ship's cannon I've struggled with this as well. I finally came to the conclusion that people who have led a good life and never ran afoul of the law *should* be allowed to own whatever they want. After all, the cost to maintain, buy ammo fire will make ownership self limiting. Tanks can be pretty expensive - but they're legal to own already - millionaires have a few as do restoration specialists. Ya'll probably know there are people who own awesome fully auto weapons already - all needed is a license which comes with a background check and fee. There's a guy who made a bunch of money making reloading supplies. Once or twice a year he invites other people with auto weapons to his property - several thousand acres next to the White Sands Proving Grounds where he flies helicopters with machine guns mounted and shoots up old cars. All the other guys with shoulder fired weapons and tripod mounted machine guys line up on a range and blast away. Night shooting with tracers is especially exciting. I'll bet there's a clip of it on whatchamacallit. AFter several hours of shooting the reloading company is set to make *big* buckets of money! 50 cal machne gun rounds rn about $5.00 *each* and even they had a quad 50 (4 - 50 cal machine guns mounted on a common mount ) - which went thru approx 2000 rounds in about 20 seconds. (IIRC) Fun stuff - and loud! Sarah Brady would have a heart attack if she saw it. ;-) There's also a yearly full-auto shooting event in Ky. with the same stuff showing up. He has some rocket propelled weapons there also but I'm not sure what kind. The problem is not with people like these - who jump thru the hoops to get licenses - they will not do anything to jeopardize their license. The problem is when bad guys buy them or steal them -- stealing is more likely as they are very expensive, but even that is unlikely as the people who can afford to own these guns can afford the security to keep them safe. The 50 cal rifles congress was so excited about a while back cost over $6000 *each* and weight nearly 40 #s (IIRC) - not the kind of thing a thug wants to hold up the corner liquor store. Additionally they've never been used in a crime. True, they have the potential to cause great harm - but so does a hammer if it's thrown into a jet engine. That's the short version - Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:08 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) John Robbins wrote: I didn't much care for that either, but what about the last paragraph? The historical definition of arms in the 2A would best be described as all the terrible implements of the soldier. Although private ownership of field pieces and ship's cannon was commonplace at the time, and there was no intent to take them away from us, it's less certain that they intended the 2A to guarantee a pre-existing right to keep and bear artillery. What is certain is that all hand carried, shoulder fired weapons were included. This would necessarily include RPGs and shoulder fired anti tank weapons. There was no intent to arm agents of government above and beyond whatever the people held. Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, et al, would be aghast at the standing army possessed by my county government, and they would certainly think that if my county sheriff had an APC, then I should have a LAW, otherwise I would be helpless before them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe that oif there was a true revolution in the US some of the military would join in. So there would be tanks, F15s, baxzookas etc involved and at that point they'd be considered in private hands Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You can probably mount one - and it'll be ok until you use it *once* as the police will hunt you down like a dog and charge you with attempted murder or at least assault with a deadly weapon.! Then the problem will be gone. And Rich will be getting to know his new cellmate. Can you say hide the soap? ;-) see - these things are self limiting. But sure, you can have one (IMHO) ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) I would like a high-powered UV laser to mount on my truck, a kilowatt or three should be sufficient, adaptive optics, gimballed lock and track, voice-controlled automatic target ID and firing, so I can fry the tires of the idiots who cut in front me on the freeway without using signals. And maybe to etch little love notes in the paint of their trunks and rear hatches. And to repel foreign and domestic threats too. Where can I get me one a them? Do I need a permit? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You are such a buzz killer. --R LarryT wrote: You can probably mount one - and it'll be ok until you use it *once* as the police will hunt you down like a dog and charge you with attempted murder or at least assault with a deadly weapon.! Then the problem will be gone. And Rich will be getting to know his new cellmate. Can you say hide the soap? ;-) see - these things are self limiting. But sure, you can have one (IMHO) ;-) Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) I would like a high-powered UV laser to mount on my truck, a kilowatt or three should be sufficient, adaptive optics, gimballed lock and track, voice-controlled automatic target ID and firing, so I can fry the tires of the idiots who cut in front me on the freeway without using signals. And maybe to etch little love notes in the paint of their trunks and rear hatches. And to repel foreign and domestic threats too. Where can I get me one a them? Do I need a permit? --R andrew strasfogel wrote: For those who missed it: If indeed the Second Amendment provides an absolute, constitutional protection for the right to bear arms in order to preserve the power of the people to resist government tyranny, then it must allow individuals to possess bazookas, torpedoes, SCUD missiles and even nuclear warheads, for they, like handguns, rifles and M-16s, are arms. Moreover, it is hard to imagine any serious resistance to the military without such arms. Yet few, if any, would argue that the Second Amendment gives individuals the unlimited right to own any weapons they please. But as soon as we allow governmental regulation of any weapons, we have broken the dam of Constitutional protection. Once that dam is broken, we are not talking about whether the government can constitutionally restrict arms, but rather what constitutes a reasonable restriction. On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:49 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change
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LarryT wrote: Ya'll probably know there are people who own awesome fully auto weapons already - all needed is a license which comes with a background check and fee. But how do you license and tax a constitutionally guaranteed civil right? Is it OK if I make you pass a background check and pay a $200 tax every time you go to church? And how do you place (thanks, Ron Reagan) a total ban on the licensing of constitutionally guaranteed property that wasn't previously licensed and taxed? Those awesome full autos you mention might be $500-2000 new, but you haven't been able to buy a new one since 1986, the old ones are either not being used or wearing out, and if they are in good condition they start at about $5000 for a Uzi and I think a M16 is more like $20,000. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Bill., ;-) Trust me, given a little time I could crank out 2000 words on the assault on religion in this country - from the strangly interpreted Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; to the presently accepted view of Complete Seperation of church and state which is being intrepreted as a complete divestiture of any mention of God or religion when it comes to govt. I (who knew) have a different viewpoint - that being the framers of the Constitution meant exactly what they wrote! And of course, we must wonder why is it acceptable to teach school children about the muslim culture but teaching the same about Christian culture would bring down the wrath of the ACLU. It used to be college freshmen entered college as Christians and graduated as atheists after their professors' skewed agenda to make them question all values of their parents and religion. Since Christianity is based on *faith* it's not difficult to change someone who may be susceptible to change and make them question that faith because there is no proof when it comes to faith. If God were to appear in the sky one day and say, Look at me - I'm here I'm real, and you'd better be good if you want everlasting life! we would lose all free will - we would have to believe - no more freedom of choice would exist. God expects more of us - and of course, we're capable of more. But I'm sure no one wants another lengthy dissertation from me -- Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) and even got a soapbox moment regarding religion. Many good issues raised, but I'll let more qualified folk address them. I couldn't help but notice your religion section was conspicuously circumscribed in speaking of what was banned and more than a bit short on why. . BillR, been going to church since I was a kid... and who gets irritated when religion is used as a club. Amazing... On 6/11/08, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch wrote I don't know who/what to blame for the apparent changes in our culture, but the public education system I believe there is a multi-pronged attack on the capitalist system. Education is high on the list as our youth are moved away from basic education and spend more time collecting signatures on petitions, doing environmental awareness programs and field trips generally becoming little activists rather than students. And of course, many of their teachers are young having just completed their education by socialists and marxist professors - and haven't had time to regain their core values if there were any. Also, religion has been steadily changing and some advocate updating things like the Ten Commandments to make them more current. Then there's the problem with the Bible flatly stating being homosexual is morally wrong and of course many, such as the ACLU dislike that little problem. Speaking of the ACLU - formed by a devout marxist who only wish is to tear the country down - they fight for things like burning the flag, calling $hit on canvas Art, defending Nambla (N.American Men-Boy Love Assoc) which openly advocates sex between adults and children and even provides instructions in abduction. They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. Back to the education system - at some point the basics of reading was changed - from phonics which always works perfectly to another systm which teaching reading my memorizing words - so new words are unrecognized and students become poorer and poorer readers the older they get and the more complex their reading became. I witnessed this 1st hand as I went thru grades 6-12 in Va. I had been taught to read in SC using phonics and read well by soundingout unfamiliar words and understanding their meaning by their context. Around 80% of the kids around me in Grades 6-12 were terrible readers - I'm talking about being in High School and reading at a 2nd grade level! And this inability follows them their whole life - making any education a huge chore for them. I still remember them struggling through simple paragraphs when forced to read aloud during class - each word was a challenge - *unless* it was one they recognized. And naturally this handicap followed them into every future activity they might choose. Another attack comes in the huge increase on the dependence on various govt departments for income and/or support of various kinds. The number of people who
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John noted You even managed to rant about gun ownership Well, ya know, John, I gotta try and touch all the hot buttons! Whait till I get my Blog organized! ;-) Actually, I think I left a lot out! More to come ?? Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Freer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) Geez Larry, You even managed to rant about gun ownership in your dissertation about our education system thread and even got a soapbox moment regarding religion. Amazing... On 6/11/08, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch wrote I don't know who/what to blame for the apparent changes in our culture, but the public education system I believe there is a multi-pronged attack on the capitalist system. Education is high on the list as our youth are moved away from basic education and spend more time collecting signatures on petitions, doing environmental awareness programs and field trips generally becoming little activists rather than students. And of course, many of their teachers are young having just completed their education by socialists and marxist professors - and haven't had time to regain their core values if there were any. Also, religion has been steadily changing and some advocate updating things like the Ten Commandments to make them more current. Then there's the problem with the Bible flatly stating being homosexual is morally wrong and of course many, such as the ACLU dislike that little problem. Speaking of the ACLU - formed by a devout marxist who only wish is to tear the country down - they fight for things like burning the flag, calling $hit on canvas Art, defending Nambla (N.American Men-Boy Love Assoc) which openly advocates sex between adults and children and even provides instructions in abduction. They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. Back to the education system - at some point the basics of reading was changed - from phonics which always works perfectly to another systm which teaching reading my memorizing words - so new words are unrecognized and students become poorer and poorer readers the older they get and the more complex their reading became. I witnessed this 1st hand as I went thru grades 6-12 in Va. I had been taught to read in SC using phonics and read well by soundingout unfamiliar words and understanding their meaning by their context. Around 80% of the kids around me in Grades 6-12 were terrible readers - I'm talking about being in High School and reading at a 2nd grade level! And this inability follows them their whole life - making any education a huge chore for them. I still remember them struggling through simple paragraphs when forced to read aloud during class - each word was a challenge - *unless* it was one they recognized. And naturally this handicap followed them into every future activity they might choose. Another attack comes in the huge increase on the dependence on various govt departments for income and/or support of various kinds. The number of people who get paid by the govt has exceeded 50% - this creates a continuous dependence on govt for finances. Also there is an effort by the MSM to create an environment where self-dependance is frowned upon. It is very evident in UK already where anything that might be used for defense against criminals are outlawed. People are not expected to defend themselves and by extension should not be self sufficient in other areas of life. Depend on the govt for finances, defense of self and property (dial 911) and place all other needs in the hands of the govt. Finally (probably not - I'm surely forgetting something) there's the environmenal movement. What started as a noble thing has become a thorn in the side of American economics. As more animals, fish, flowers, etc and their habitate become protected the more land we lose to use as we wish. Even homeowners are prevented from developing their property as they want due to govt environmentally driven regulations (think wetlands - which we used to call swamps). This is a huge topic as it potentially puts a weight around the neck of so many capitalist activities forcing a slow-down in our economic system which in-turn reduces our standard of living, and on and on. The environmental movement has even taken their agenda into darkest Africa. Developers wanted to build a power plant so people could have running water in their homes (or huts, whatever) because power is needed to power well pumps. Without
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LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Robbins wrote: http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html Yep, it's absurd. The ACLU believes that in all the BOR, people means you and I, except for the 2A, in which people means standing army. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley wrote: John Robbins wrote: http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html Yep, it's absurd. The ACLU believes that in all the BOR, people means you and I, except for the 2A, in which people means standing army. I didn't much care for that either, but what about the last paragraph? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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John Robbins wrote: I didn't much care for that either, but what about the last paragraph? The historical definition of arms in the 2A would best be described as all the terrible implements of the soldier. Although private ownership of field pieces and ship's cannon was commonplace at the time, and there was no intent to take them away from us, it's less certain that they intended the 2A to guarantee a pre-existing right to keep and bear artillery. What is certain is that all hand carried, shoulder fired weapons were included. This would necessarily include RPGs and shoulder fired anti tank weapons. There was no intent to arm agents of government above and beyond whatever the people held. Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, et al, would be aghast at the standing army possessed by my county government, and they would certainly think that if my county sheriff had an APC, then I should have a LAW, otherwise I would be helpless before them. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know no one wants me to write a few thoudsand words about the ACLU and gun control - but the stuff they say on the link provided contain a lot of inaccuracies. As far as it being a collective right all one need do is read what the framers said about gun ownership. i.e., they feel every man out to be armed. As Mitch said, in all amendment the people means the people but in the 2ndA the people means the militia, yeah, right. BTW, the Supremes never said it was a collective right. Larry T (66 MGB, 74 911, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net 800-583-8601 Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs - Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944) LarryT wrote: Speaking of the ACLU - snip lots of nasty cases They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14523res20020304.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote I don't know who/what to blame for the apparent changes in our culture, but the public education system I believe there is a multi-pronged attack on the capitalist system. Education is high on the list as our youth are moved away from basic education and spend more time collecting signatures on petitions, doing environmental awareness programs and field trips generally becoming little activists rather than students. And of course, many of their teachers are young having just completed their education by socialists and marxist professors - and haven't had time to regain their core values if there were any. Also, religion has been steadily changing and some advocate updating things like the Ten Commandments to make them more current. Then there's the problem with the Bible flatly stating being homosexual is morally wrong and of course many, such as the ACLU dislike that little problem. Speaking of the ACLU - formed by a devout marxist who only wish is to tear the country down - they fight for things like burning the flag, calling $hit on canvas Art, defending Nambla (N.American Men-Boy Love Assoc) which openly advocates sex between adults and children and even provides instructions in abduction. They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. Back to the education system - at some point the basics of reading was changed - from phonics which always works perfectly to another systm which teaching reading my memorizing words - so new words are unrecognized and students become poorer and poorer readers the older they get and the more complex their reading became. I witnessed this 1st hand as I went thru grades 6-12 in Va. I had been taught to read in SC using phonics and read well by soundingout unfamiliar words and understanding their meaning by their context. Around 80% of the kids around me in Grades 6-12 were terrible readers - I'm talking about being in High School and reading at a 2nd grade level! And this inability follows them their whole life - making any education a huge chore for them. I still remember them struggling through simple paragraphs when forced to read aloud during class - each word was a challenge - *unless* it was one they recognized. And naturally this handicap followed them into every future activity they might choose. Another attack comes in the huge increase on the dependence on various govt departments for income and/or support of various kinds. The number of people who get paid by the govt has exceeded 50% - this creates a continuous dependence on govt for finances. Also there is an effort by the MSM to create an environment where self-dependance is frowned upon. It is very evident in UK already where anything that might be used for defense against criminals are outlawed. People are not expected to defend themselves and by extension should not be self sufficient in other areas of life. Depend on the govt for finances, defense of self and property (dial 911) and place all other needs in the hands of the govt. Finally (probably not - I'm surely forgetting something) there's the environmenal movement. What started as a noble thing has become a thorn in the side of American economics. As more animals, fish, flowers, etc and their habitate become protected the more land we lose to use as we wish. Even homeowners are prevented from developing their property as they want due to govt environmentally driven regulations (think wetlands - which we used to call swamps). This is a huge topic as it potentially puts a weight around the neck of so many capitalist activities forcing a slow-down in our economic system which in-turn reduces our standard of living, and on and on. The environmental movement has even taken their agenda into darkest Africa. Developers wanted to build a power plant so people could have running water in their homes (or huts, whatever) because power is needed to power well pumps. Without power the people are forced to go to the public well or local river - which has its own dangers - hippo's and crocs still kill many people there and the water is not always clean and may be used as a cistern and washing machine by others peoples upstream. The villagers wanted the power plant, the developers wanted it but the environmental group claimed it would exploit the people living there (by giving them jobs, money and clean, running water). I suspect this thinking started with DDT being banned - which ended up killing millions of people in 3rd world countries when the availability of inexpensive poison to control mosquitoes disappeared. Think about that figure - millions die of malaria and other mosquito borne disease every year. Meanwhile, the environmentalists have managed to keep oil exploration from drilling new wells for years particularily off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts as well as Anwar. Meanwhile, a
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Geez Larry, You even managed to rant about gun ownership in your dissertation about our education system thread and even got a soapbox moment regarding religion. Amazing... On 6/11/08, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch wrote I don't know who/what to blame for the apparent changes in our culture, but the public education system I believe there is a multi-pronged attack on the capitalist system. Education is high on the list as our youth are moved away from basic education and spend more time collecting signatures on petitions, doing environmental awareness programs and field trips generally becoming little activists rather than students. And of course, many of their teachers are young having just completed their education by socialists and marxist professors - and haven't had time to regain their core values if there were any. Also, religion has been steadily changing and some advocate updating things like the Ten Commandments to make them more current. Then there's the problem with the Bible flatly stating being homosexual is morally wrong and of course many, such as the ACLU dislike that little problem. Speaking of the ACLU - formed by a devout marxist who only wish is to tear the country down - they fight for things like burning the flag, calling $hit on canvas Art, defending Nambla (N.American Men-Boy Love Assoc) which openly advocates sex between adults and children and even provides instructions in abduction. They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. Back to the education system - at some point the basics of reading was changed - from phonics which always works perfectly to another systm which teaching reading my memorizing words - so new words are unrecognized and students become poorer and poorer readers the older they get and the more complex their reading became. I witnessed this 1st hand as I went thru grades 6-12 in Va. I had been taught to read in SC using phonics and read well by soundingout unfamiliar words and understanding their meaning by their context. Around 80% of the kids around me in Grades 6-12 were terrible readers - I'm talking about being in High School and reading at a 2nd grade level! And this inability follows them their whole life - making any education a huge chore for them. I still remember them struggling through simple paragraphs when forced to read aloud during class - each word was a challenge - *unless* it was one they recognized. And naturally this handicap followed them into every future activity they might choose. Another attack comes in the huge increase on the dependence on various govt departments for income and/or support of various kinds. The number of people who get paid by the govt has exceeded 50% - this creates a continuous dependence on govt for finances. Also there is an effort by the MSM to create an environment where self-dependance is frowned upon. It is very evident in UK already where anything that might be used for defense against criminals are outlawed. People are not expected to defend themselves and by extension should not be self sufficient in other areas of life. Depend on the govt for finances, defense of self and property (dial 911) and place all other needs in the hands of the govt. Finally (probably not - I'm surely forgetting something) there's the environmenal movement. What started as a noble thing has become a thorn in the side of American economics. As more animals, fish, flowers, etc and their habitate become protected the more land we lose to use as we wish. Even homeowners are prevented from developing their property as they want due to govt environmentally driven regulations (think wetlands - which we used to call swamps). This is a huge topic as it potentially puts a weight around the neck of so many capitalist activities forcing a slow-down in our economic system which in-turn reduces our standard of living, and on and on. The environmental movement has even taken their agenda into darkest Africa. Developers wanted to build a power plant so people could have running water in their homes (or huts, whatever) because power is needed to power well pumps. Without power the people are forced to go to the public well or local river - which has its own dangers - hippo's and crocs still kill many people there and the water is not always clean and may be used as a cistern and washing machine by others peoples upstream. The villagers wanted the power plant, the developers wanted it but the environmental group claimed it would exploit the people living there (by giving them jobs, money and clean, running water). I suspect this thinking started with DDT being banned - which ended up killing millions of people in 3rd world countries when the availability of inexpensive poison to control mosquitoes disappeared. Think about that figure - millions die of malaria
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and even got a soapbox moment regarding religion. Many good issues raised, but I'll let more qualified folk address them. I couldn't help but notice your religion section was conspicuously circumscribed in speaking of what was banned and more than a bit short on why. . BillR, been going to church since I was a kid... and who gets irritated when religion is used as a club. Amazing... On 6/11/08, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mitch wrote I don't know who/what to blame for the apparent changes in our culture, but the public education system I believe there is a multi-pronged attack on the capitalist system. Education is high on the list as our youth are moved away from basic education and spend more time collecting signatures on petitions, doing environmental awareness programs and field trips generally becoming little activists rather than students. And of course, many of their teachers are young having just completed their education by socialists and marxist professors - and haven't had time to regain their core values if there were any. Also, religion has been steadily changing and some advocate updating things like the Ten Commandments to make them more current. Then there's the problem with the Bible flatly stating being homosexual is morally wrong and of course many, such as the ACLU dislike that little problem. Speaking of the ACLU - formed by a devout marxist who only wish is to tear the country down - they fight for things like burning the flag, calling $hit on canvas Art, defending Nambla (N.American Men-Boy Love Assoc) which openly advocates sex between adults and children and even provides instructions in abduction. They fight for all those absurdities but will not get involved in protecting the 2nd Amendment. Back to the education system - at some point the basics of reading was changed - from phonics which always works perfectly to another systm which teaching reading my memorizing words - so new words are unrecognized and students become poorer and poorer readers the older they get and the more complex their reading became. I witnessed this 1st hand as I went thru grades 6-12 in Va. I had been taught to read in SC using phonics and read well by soundingout unfamiliar words and understanding their meaning by their context. Around 80% of the kids around me in Grades 6-12 were terrible readers - I'm talking about being in High School and reading at a 2nd grade level! And this inability follows them their whole life - making any education a huge chore for them. I still remember them struggling through simple paragraphs when forced to read aloud during class - each word was a challenge - *unless* it was one they recognized. And naturally this handicap followed them into every future activity they might choose. Another attack comes in the huge increase on the dependence on various govt departments for income and/or support of various kinds. The number of people who get paid by the govt has exceeded 50% - this creates a continuous dependence on govt for finances. Also there is an effort by the MSM to create an environment where self-dependance is frowned upon. It is very evident in UK already where anything that might be used for defense against criminals are outlawed. People are not expected to defend themselves and by extension should not be self sufficient in other areas of life. Depend on the govt for finances, defense of self and property (dial 911) and place all other needs in the hands of the govt. Finally (probably not - I'm surely forgetting something) there's the environmenal movement. What started as a noble thing has become a thorn in the side of American economics. As more animals, fish, flowers, etc and their habitate become protected the more land we lose to use as we wish. Even homeowners are prevented from developing their property as they want due to govt environmentally driven regulations (think wetlands - which we used to call swamps). This is a huge topic as it potentially puts a weight around the neck of so many capitalist activities forcing a slow-down in our economic system which in-turn reduces our standard of living, and on and on. The environmental movement has even taken their agenda into darkest Africa. Developers wanted to build a power plant so people could have running water in their homes (or huts, whatever) because power is needed to power well pumps. Without power the people are forced to go to the public well or local river - which has its own dangers - hippo's and crocs still kill many people there and the water is not always clean and may be used as a cistern and washing machine by others peoples upstream. The villagers wanted the power plant, the developers wanted it but the environmental group claimed it would exploit the people living there (by giving them jobs, money and clean, running water). I suspect this thinking started with DDT
Re: [MBZ] The New World Order (WAS june 4, 1944)
Larry, I'm hip to alot of what you wrote but consider the other side of the equation. Nearly all of the fresh surface water in the world is polluted. More people have breathing disorders now than ever. Don't even get me started on places like Centralia... The religious right wants the theory of evolution considered an opinion and creationism treated as fact. The religious right wants to be coddled and allowed freedom but wants to deny the same to homosexuals... Capitalisim left unchecked WILL result in a world that is nothing but a gutted shell with all profit extracted, this has been shown over and over again. Flint, Michigan is a great example. In China they're going to try to shut down factories so the air quality might improve enough so olympians can participate... Religion left unchecked WILL result in war between religions. Several crusades come to mind. Yeah our system is screwed up but its only bad in comparison to some utopian ideal... -Curt Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 14:19:43 -0400 From: LarryT lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Subject: Re: [MBZ] The New World Ordernbsp;nbsp;nbsp;(WAS june 4, 1944) To: Mercedes Discussion List lt;mercedes@okiebenz.comgt; Message-ID: lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; reply-type=original Mitch wrote lt;lt;I don't know who/what to blame for the apparent changes in our culture, but the public education system gt;gt; ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
