Re: [MBZ] W114 parts car 280C

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You know when the tires are sunk 8" into the ground and are off the
wheels that it's been sitting a while.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> BZZZT
>
> Too much rust. The wheels are awful, too.
>
> Not far from my other house, though. Gotta wait for the garage floor to be 
> epoxied before I can put any cars in it, though.
>
> -D
>
>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Great project car for the Danster to tidy up and flip.
>> 
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 1:06 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Looks pretty much all there...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pts/d/indianapolis-1975-mercedes-benz/7233718116.html
>>> 
>>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W114 parts car 280C

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

BZZZT

Too much rust. The wheels are awful, too.

Not far from my other house, though. Gotta wait for the garage floor to be 
epoxied before I can put any cars in it, though.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Great project car for the Danster to tidy up and flip.
> 
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 1:06 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Looks pretty much all there...
>> 
>> 
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pts/d/indianapolis-1975-mercedes-benz/7233718116.html
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W114 parts car 280C

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Great project car for the Danster to tidy up and flip.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 1:06 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
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> Looks pretty much all there...
>
>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/pts/d/indianapolis-1975-mercedes-benz/7233718116.html
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Re: [MBZ] W114 BaT flip?

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On Sun, July 12, 2020 2:09 pm, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> Just noticed the aftermarket horn (red trumpets) to the left of the air
> cleaner in the photos. Wonder if it plays Dixie or Volksmusik?

Musicals usually have 5 trumpets and complicated sequencing.

Those duals are bigger than my old Fiamm triples, which were impressively
loud before the compressor seized.

Looks like they're about 50 euros now, which is less than I paid in the
1980s when you consider 30 years of inflation.
https://www.hornwarehouse.com/tourhorns/Tour-horn-12v

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Re: [MBZ] W114 BaT flip?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Just noticed the aftermarket horn (red trumpets) to the left of the air
cleaner in the photos. Wonder if it plays Dixie or Volksmusik?

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

> Let's not get all crazy about this.  I doubt BAT would attract over $10K.
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:32 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> God I am stupid. I used to have one of these as well and sold it when they
>> were worth nothing.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 12, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > That’s a heck of a deal if it’s solid. It’s a stick, too.
>> >
>> > Noblesville is a very nice upscale area on the north side of
>> Indianapolis, so it’s coming from a good neighborhood.
>> >
>> > -D
>> >
>> >> On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Double your money I bet
>> >>
>> >> Beautifully kept 1969 250 Luxury Sedan. Car was in storage for 36 years,
>> >> two owner car. Engine runs beautifully, new tires, new carpet
>> >> professionally installed. Hartman collection. Over $3000 in extra parts.
>> >>
>> >>
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/noblesville-1969-mercedes-benz-250/7146680175.html
>> >>
>> >> Allan
>> >>

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Re: [MBZ] W114 BaT flip?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Let's not get all crazy about this.  I doubt BAT would attract over $10K.

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 10:32 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> God I am stupid. I used to have one of these as well and sold it when they
> were worth nothing.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 12, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > That’s a heck of a deal if it’s solid. It’s a stick, too.
> >
> > Noblesville is a very nice upscale area on the north side of
> Indianapolis, so it’s coming from a good neighborhood.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Double your money I bet
> >>
> >> Beautifully kept 1969 250 Luxury Sedan. Car was in storage for 36 years,
> >> two owner car. Engine runs beautifully, new tires, new carpet
> >> professionally installed. Hartman collection. Over $3000 in extra parts.
> >>
> >>
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/noblesville-1969-mercedes-benz-250/7146680175.html
> >>
> >> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] W114 BaT flip?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

God I am stupid. I used to have one of these as well and sold it when they were 
worth nothing. 

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> On Jul 12, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> That’s a heck of a deal if it’s solid. It’s a stick, too.
> 
> Noblesville is a very nice upscale area on the north side of Indianapolis, so 
> it’s coming from a good neighborhood.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Double your money I bet
>> 
>> Beautifully kept 1969 250 Luxury Sedan. Car was in storage for 36 years,
>> two owner car. Engine runs beautifully, new tires, new carpet
>> professionally installed. Hartman collection. Over $3000 in extra parts.
>> 
>> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/noblesville-1969-mercedes-benz-250/7146680175.html
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W114 BaT flip?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s a heck of a deal if it’s solid. It’s a stick, too.

Noblesville is a very nice upscale area on the north side of Indianapolis, so 
it’s coming from a good neighborhood.

-D

> On Jul 11, 2020, at 11:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Double your money I bet
> 
> Beautifully kept 1969 250 Luxury Sedan. Car was in storage for 36 years,
> two owner car. Engine runs beautifully, new tires, new carpet
> professionally installed. Hartman collection. Over $3000 in extra parts.
> 
> https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/noblesville-1969-mercedes-benz-250/7146680175.html
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Re: [MBZ] W114 250 sold for over $10,750

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On 15/02/2018 12:18 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On February 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:


don't want to have to hire a flat-deck tow truck to haul it home if I

run into trouble and I would not want to leave it along the road
anywhere for fear it would be vandalized. I doubt anyone would bother a
Honda parked along the road but this thing has become old enough to be
unique and that draws attention.

You can park a 2003 ML350 on a very busy off-ramp in Lansing Michigan for 10 
hours on a Wednesday without anybody touching it.

Around here, a flat bed costs $75 hook charge and $3.50 per loaded mile.

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Most newer vehicles are so generic looking that most folks would never 
notice that an ML350 was a Mercedes. I think there is more risk with a 
classic vehicle but I could well be wrong. Not anxious to test my theory.
I have arranged short hauls of vehicles close to home for $50 cash. 
Don't know what it might cost if I was a 100 or more miles out and 
needed to be hauled home.
Looks like a 76 300D weighs about 3400 pounds and it also appears that 
my F150 will pull 8,000 pounds, so I would just need to rent or borrow a 
trailer and I should be able to retrieve it by myself.


RB


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Re: [MBZ] W114 250 sold for over $10,750

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> On February 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> > don't want to have to hire a flat-deck tow truck to haul it home if I 
> run into trouble and I would not want to leave it along the road 
> anywhere for fear it would be vandalized. I doubt anyone would bother a 
> Honda parked along the road but this thing has become old enough to be 
> unique and that draws attention.

You can park a 2003 ML350 on a very busy off-ramp in Lansing Michigan for 10 
hours on a Wednesday without anybody touching it.

Around here, a flat bed costs $75 hook charge and $3.50 per loaded mile.

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Re: [MBZ] W114 250 sold for over $10,750

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Randy, with a little TLC you could get $10,000 US on BAT.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I like the car and I really do not want to part with it but I did not buy
> it to be a garage queen. I don't take it to car shows and I don't want it
> to be a hobby car that I work on to make perfect but never drive. I bought
> it to drive it. Now, having said that, I have not actually driven it all
> that much, partly because I don't drive it in the winter (which tends to be
> long up here in the GWN) and I don't normally take it out if it is raining.
> Plus, it needs a few things tended to and that kept me from using it as a
> daily driver to work last summer. I need to put the vacuum shut off  doodad
> in as it won't shut off without my opening the hood and pushing on the red
> tab. I have the part but have not yet installed it. I intend to do so this
> spring as soon as things warm up some.
>
> However, I am concerned that it is becoming too old for my intended
> purpose. It appears that parts are becoming harder to get and I don't want
> to feel that I cannot readily take it any distance from home. I don't want
> to have to hire a flat-deck tow truck to haul it home if I run into trouble
> and I would not want to leave it along the road anywhere for fear it would
> be vandalized. I doubt anyone would bother a Honda parked along the road
> but this thing has become old enough to be unique and that draws attention.
>
> So, I am sort of at the point where I wonder if I should part with it and
> get something newer. Maybe MB and maybe not but not quite as noticeable.
>
> RB
>
> On 14/02/2018 5:59 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I suspect that the survivors are in much better condition than the ones
>> that rusted out, got Cash/klunked, or abused over the past 40 years.  They
>> are also very affordable to own and operate, as well as having a following
>> in the old countries, so parts are available.  That it shares some parts
>> with the R107 does not hurt.  The size is a boon.  The W116 is really
>> large, while the /8 can be handled better than that or the R107.
>>
>> I enjoyed working on my /8, and it does have the classic Sacco and Braq
>> lines.  Why do you still hold on to your car Randy?
>>
>>
>>
>> clay
>>
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So, what do you all think about this? There have been several 114/115
>>> cars sold for very good prices in recent times.
>>> None have been perfect show cars.
>>>
>>> 1. Are they just getting old enough to have become somewhat rare?
>>>
>>> 2. Do they appeal to older wealthy folks who can afford another toy?
>>>
>>> 3. Should I shine mine up and get out while the going is good, so to
>>> speak?
>>>
>>> RB
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Re: [MBZ] W114 250 sold for over $10,750

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I like the car and I really do not want to part with it but I did not 
buy it to be a garage queen. I don't take it to car shows and I don't 
want it to be a hobby car that I work on to make perfect but never 
drive. I bought it to drive it. Now, having said that, I have not 
actually driven it all that much, partly because I don't drive it in the 
winter (which tends to be long up here in the GWN) and I don't normally 
take it out if it is raining. Plus, it needs a few things tended to and 
that kept me from using it as a daily driver to work last summer. I need 
to put the vacuum shut off  doodad in as it won't shut off without my 
opening the hood and pushing on the red tab. I have the part but have 
not yet installed it. I intend to do so this spring as soon as things 
warm up some.


However, I am concerned that it is becoming too old for my intended 
purpose. It appears that parts are becoming harder to get and I don't 
want to feel that I cannot readily take it any distance from home. I 
don't want to have to hire a flat-deck tow truck to haul it home if I 
run into trouble and I would not want to leave it along the road 
anywhere for fear it would be vandalized. I doubt anyone would bother a 
Honda parked along the road but this thing has become old enough to be 
unique and that draws attention.


So, I am sort of at the point where I wonder if I should part with it 
and get something newer. Maybe MB and maybe not but not quite as 
noticeable.


RB

On 14/02/2018 5:59 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

I suspect that the survivors are in much better condition than the ones that 
rusted out, got Cash/klunked, or abused over the past 40 years.  They are also 
very affordable to own and operate, as well as having a following in the old 
countries, so parts are available.  That it shares some parts with the R107 
does not hurt.  The size is a boon.  The W116 is really large, while the /8 can 
be handled better than that or the R107.

I enjoyed working on my /8, and it does have the classic Sacco and Braq lines.  
Why do you still hold on to your car Randy?



clay



On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

So, what do you all think about this? There have been several 114/115 cars sold 
for very good prices in recent times.
None have been perfect show cars.

1. Are they just getting old enough to have become somewhat rare?

2. Do they appeal to older wealthy folks who can afford another toy?

3. Should I shine mine up and get out while the going is good, so to speak?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] W114 250 sold for over $10,750

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes, I remember when those were going for crazy money.

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> On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> R 
> Yes, time to cash in. Ten years ago I sold a fair 201 diesel for $5200 when 
> they were really popular (high fuel prices).
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] W114 250 sold for over $10,750

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes, time to cash in. Ten years ago I sold a fair 201 diesel for $5200 when 
they were really popular (high fuel prices).
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Re: [MBZ] W114 250 sold for over $10,750

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I suspect that the survivors are in much better condition than the ones that 
rusted out, got Cash/klunked, or abused over the past 40 years.  They are also 
very affordable to own and operate, as well as having a following in the old 
countries, so parts are available.  That it shares some parts with the R107 
does not hurt.  The size is a boon.  The W116 is really large, while the /8 can 
be handled better than that or the R107.

I enjoyed working on my /8, and it does have the classic Sacco and Braq lines.  
Why do you still hold on to your car Randy?



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> On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, what do you all think about this? There have been several 114/115 cars 
> sold for very good prices in recent times.
> None have been perfect show cars.
> 
> 1. Are they just getting old enough to have become somewhat rare?
> 
> 2. Do they appeal to older wealthy folks who can afford another toy?
> 
> 3. Should I shine mine up and get out while the going is good, so to speak?
> 
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

[clay via Mercedes]

I have a set of front disks from Q that never made it onto my 72 220D.  Pads as 
well.  These items were not transferable to the R107, so Sexy Parts God, Garry 
got me the proper stuff for my SL.  Gary will be able to provide the parts for 
a great price if what I have are not correct

clay

On Aug 12, 2014, at 5:47 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:

> Gang
> 
> My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early car 
> (66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and early 115 
> cars. Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger calipers which 
> interchange to R107/W123/W126.
> 
> Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would 
> require me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit the new 
> rotors and calipers? EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it seems to 
> indicate that a bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the original 
> configuration, possibly including the knuckle itself.
> 
> I'm not hell bent on having vented discs, but it is getting tough (and 
> expensive) to find calipers and even discs for the older config.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

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On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 17:47:56 -0700 David Bruckmann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Gang
> 
> My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early
> car (66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and
> early 115 cars. Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger
> calipers which interchange to R107/W123/W126.

I had a 1972 220D/8 (115110-10-225256) and do not recall the disks being
vented. I do think they were solid.


> Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would
> require me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit
> the new rotors and calipers?

Sorry, I don't.


> EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it seems to indicate that a
> bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the original
> configuration, possibly including the knuckle itself.

You could go to a pick-and-pull, or maybe Kaleb and get a disk and
caliper of the type to which you want to go -- they don't even have to
work -- and see if they fit before you invest in a set of four good ones.


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Re: [MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

[Archer75--- via Mercedes]

Hey Gary,
If you look up Davids brake parts, how about looking up mine for an '83 
240D front calipers, rotors, and hoses; and also the B-2 kit for an '83 
300D.  Also the prices.

Thanks, Gerry

On 8/12/2014 8:47 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes wrote:

Gang
My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early car 
(66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and early 115 cars. 
Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger calipers which 
interchange to R107/W123/W126.

Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would require 
me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit the new rotors 
and calipers? EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it seems to indicate 
that a bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the original configuration, 
possibly including the knuckle itself.

I'm not hell bent on having vented discs, but it is getting tough (and 
expensive) to find calipers and even discs for the older config.

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Re: [MBZ] W114/W115 front brake interchange

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Hi David,
I"m not sure if they're the same, but I did buy new front calipers for a
W108 (70 280SE) for a reasonable price earlier this year.  I think I bought
genuine Mercedes.  They were cheaper than I expected.

Jaime



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> Gang
>
> My 1970 220 (115010) needs front rotors and calipers. It is an early car
> (66138) that uses the same calipers etc as were used on 108 and early 115
> cars. Later W115 and most W114 used vented discs and bigger calipers which
> interchange to R107/W123/W126.
>
> Does anyone happen to know if there are significant changes that would
> require me to use an updated knuckle and steering arm in order to fit the
> new rotors and calipers? EPC isn't totally clear on this point, but it
> seems to indicate that a bunch of stuff has to change if I stray from the
> original configuration, possibly including the knuckle itself.
>
> I'm not hell bent on having vented discs, but it is getting tough (and
> expensive) to find calipers and even discs for the older config.
>
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Re: [MBZ] w114 /8 type seat back

[Randy Bennell]

On 01/05/2013 11:42 AM, clay wrote:

I just came into possession of a seat back for the 1968-1976 114/115 cars.  The 
cover is palamino tex and there is a headrest.  The best part is that the cover 
is off and the spring and pad are in excellent condition. If there is anybody 
on list in need of this, let me know and we can arrange shipping out.

I have no idea how often a seat back fails, but I do know the butt pad is shot 
quickly.  I do not have the seat bottom, just the back.  You can take some or 
all.

clay
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They certainly do dry out and fall apart.
You may recall that I had to have both of my front seats re-padded last 
summer/fall.
The back seat needs it too but is not so often used so has been left for 
a later time.


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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Thanks for all the responses guys... I might be able to get the originals
from the previous owner it seems.  If that doesn't come through, i'll be in
touch.

Jaime



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 10:51 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> I might have that color hub cap as well
>
> clay
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>
> > Yep... looks like a china blue 280C followed me home.
> >
> > It has bundts on it and I'd rather see it with hubcaps. (And some nice
> > 175HR14 Vredestein tires!)
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115
> project?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.
>  5
> >>> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
> >>>
> >>> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[clay monroe]

I might have that color hub cap as well

clay

On Dec 5, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Yep... looks like a china blue 280C followed me home.
> 
> It has bundts on it and I'd rather see it with hubcaps. (And some nice
> 175HR14 Vredestein tires!)
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115 project?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.  5
>>> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
>>> 
>>> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jaime
>>> ja...@jaimekop.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[clay monroe]

These are the standard steel wheels used on all of the early 70's cars with 14 
inch wheels


On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:58 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115 project?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.  5
>> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
>> 
>> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jaime
>> ja...@jaimekop.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[clay monroe]

I have a pair, but they would have to travel the length of I-90 to get to you.

clay



On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.  5
> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
> 
> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jaime
> ja...@jaimekop.com
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[Craig]

On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 18:56:47 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski 
wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.
> 5 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
> 
> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.

Jaime,

I have two of them with studded snows mounted. I'm in New Mexico.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[Jon Agne]

I have the vred's on my '67 beetle (165R15).you can't go wrong with that 
tire.

Jon

On Dec 5, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Yep... looks like a china blue 280C followed me home.
> 
> It has bundts on it and I'd rather see it with hubcaps. (And some nice
> 175HR14 Vredestein tires!)
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115 project?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.  5
>>> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
>>> 
>>> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jaime
>>> ja...@jaimekop.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Not at the moment... in a little while I'll get some up!

Jaime



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 7:23 PM,  wrote:

> Cool. Nice color:) Any pics on your website yet?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>
> > Yep... looks like a china blue 280C followed me home.
> >
> > It has bundts on it and I'd rather see it with hubcaps. (And some nice
> > 175HR14 Vredestein tires!)
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM,  wrote:
> >
> >> Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115
> project?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.
>  5
> >>> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
> >>>
> >>> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Jaime
> >>> ja...@jaimekop.com
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[dseretakis]

Cool. Nice color:) Any pics on your website yet?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Yep... looks like a china blue 280C followed me home.
> 
> It has bundts on it and I'd rather see it with hubcaps. (And some nice
> 175HR14 Vredestein tires!)
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115 project?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.  5
>>> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
>>> 
>>> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jaime
>>> ja...@jaimekop.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[Jaime Kopchinski]

Yep... looks like a china blue 280C followed me home.

It has bundts on it and I'd rather see it with hubcaps. (And some nice
175HR14 Vredestein tires!)

Jaime



On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 6:58 PM,  wrote:

> Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115 project?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> > I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.  5
> > 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
> >
> > I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jaime
> > ja...@jaimekop.com
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W114/115 wheels wanted

[dseretakis]

Don't have any but out of curiosity, are you working on a 114/115 project?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:

> Hi All,
> I'm looking for steel wheels originally delivered on 114 and 115 cars.  5
> 1/2" x 14", part number 115 400 13 02.
> 
> I need two, but would take four for the right price.  I'm in NJ.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jaime
> ja...@jaimekop.com
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W114

[DrCScruggs]

I have a 114 coupe with only a little rust that I was thinking about  
selling. It does not have a title.  I got it with idea that I would  harvest 
some 
parts off it and then send back to where I got it (junkyard).   I have had 
it about 6 months and have not done that.  Now it is just taking  up space.  
The body is really in pretty good shape.  I truly believe  it could be 
fixed and made driveable. I have 600 in it.  If some one  wants, then let me 
know.  I think it overall certainly could be a good  little car.  I put this in 
here so if someone had an interest, they could  take advantage of it (as 
opposed to a scrap yard).  Thanks cks
 
 
In a message dated 12/7/2010 10:02:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
126die...@gmail.com writes:

Ok, I  will have to go dig out the cluster from that 74 euro 107 and 
see...   But it is way cold and nasty outside, so not now.

>>123 was the  first in the usa to show 6 digits of miles that I am 
>>aware of, but  I never had a 116.  probably the 116 was first, 
>>because 107  and 114/5 and 108 all are 5 digit miles.
>
>All our 107's were  6-digit, including the '76.
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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Walt Zarnoch]

Easy, the odometer stopped working. We all know when that happens, the car
never ages! :D

Walt
On Dec 7, 2010 12:23 PM, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:
> Allan Streib wrote:
>> http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2093884521.html
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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Dieselhead]

Ok, I will have to go dig out the cluster from that 74 euro 107 and 
see...  But it is way cold and nasty outside, so not now.


123 was the first in the usa to show 6 digits of miles that I am 
aware of, but I never had a 116.  probably the 116 was first, 
because 107 and 114/5 and 108 all are 5 digit miles.


All our 107's were 6-digit, including the '76.

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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Jim Cathey]

123 was the first in the usa to show 6 digits of miles that I am aware 
of, but I never had a 116.  probably the 116 was first, because 107 
and 114/5 and 108 all are 5 digit miles.


All our 107's were 6-digit, including the '76.

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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

all of the 107's I have seen had 6 digit all the way back.

On 12/7/2010 6:22 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Didn't early 107s have 5 digit odo?  You are right though, the 
380SLs have 6 digit.  I was thinking of the 74 107 cluster I 
have.  I think it is a 5 digit



107/116 were the first

On 12/7/2010 3:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:


123 was the first in the usa to show 6 digits of miles that I 
am aware of, but I never had a 116.  probably the 116 was 
first, because 107 and 114/5 and 108 all are 5 digit miles.




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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Dieselhead]

Didn't early 107s have 5 digit odo?  You are right though, the 380SLs 
have 6 digit.  I was thinking of the 74 107 cluster I have.  I think 
it is a 5 digit



107/116 were the first

On 12/7/2010 3:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:


123 was the first in the usa to show 6 digits of miles that I am 
aware of, but I never had a 116.  probably the 116 was first, 
because 107 and 114/5 and 108 all are 5 digit miles.




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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

107/116 were the first

On 12/7/2010 3:15 PM, Dieselhead wrote:


123 was the first in the usa to show 6 digits of miles that I am 
aware of, but I never had a 116.  probably the 116 was first, 
because 107 and 114/5 and 108 all are 5 digit miles.





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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Dieselhead]

123 was the first in the usa to show 6 digits of miles that I am 
aware of, but I never had a 116.  probably the 116 was first, because 
107 and 114/5 and 108 all are 5 digit miles.




On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

 By not showing the 1-9 in the 100k column of the odo.



When did Benz switch to 6-digit odometers? Before the /8?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114

[R A Bennell]

My 76 300D only has 5 digits. It showed 0990 miles on it when I got it. 
So, is that once around or twice or ???


Randy

On 07/12/2010 12:42 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>  wrote:

By not showing the 1-9 in the 100k column of the odo.


When did Benz switch to 6-digit odometers? Before the /8?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By not showing the 1-9 in the 100k column of the odo.
>

When did Benz switch to 6-digit odometers? Before the /8?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Dieselhead]

That is Easy!
By not showing the 1-9 in the 100k column of the odo.



Allan Streib wrote:

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2093884521.html


How does a 40 year old daily driver accumulate 53,000 miles over its lifetime?



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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2093884521.html


How does a 40 year old daily driver accumulate 53,000 miles over its lifetime?

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Re: [MBZ] W114

[Dieselhead]

Ah! the magic words that forever made me a fan of Diesels:  Dual Zenith Carbs



http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/2093884521.html

Not mine, no interest, etc.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I thought they had Behr units under the dash.

Peter Frederick wrote:
They may have been "factory", but the label on the under dash unit 
says "ThermoKing" which is a US "aftermarket" brand.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 22:45:42 -0500 Peter Frederick 
wrote:

> They may have been "factory", but the label on the under dash unit  
> says "ThermoKing" which is a US "aftermarket" brand.

Ah, yes, the under-dash units. I've seen pictures of those in earlier
cars.

My '72 220D/8, a W115, however, had no under-dash unit; it was ALL built
in, and very nicely, thank you.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

They may have been "factory", but the label on the under dash unit  
says "ThermoKing" which is a US "aftermarket" brand.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I asked Chip whos dad sold these things new and he said they were 
factory.  Somebody else said the 108's were factory as well, but I dont 
know.


Dieselhead wrote:
Early 114/115 were dealer installed.  the 76 300D i parted out had 
factory A/C.  Even the wiring harness was different than nonA/C 
models.  It was a transition model, as the factory slowly realized to 
keep the NA market, they had to have real A/C in a "luxury" car.  I 
don't know which models have factory A/C which years.




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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Dieselhead]

Early 114/115 were dealer installed.  the 76 300D i parted out had 
factory A/C.  Even the wiring harness was different than nonA/C 
models.  It was a transition model, as the factory slowly realized to 
keep the NA market, they had to have real A/C in a "luxury" car.  I 
don't know which models have factory A/C which years.


Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz 
dealer in those days.  Dealer installed.  Remember, we are talking 
about the 60's here.  Might have started putting them in at the 
factory in the mid 70s, but probably only the W123.  AC was a dealer 
installed option,and here are some cars out there without it.


Peter


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From: Craig McCluskey 
Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:


 the AC on those was not aftermarket.  It was perhaps an afterthought
 since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least
 on the later 114/115


Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install
the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really
belonged there.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

The presence of the parts in the manual does not preclude it being a  
dealer installed option, it just means it's official Benz.  All the  
AC stuff was made in the US, after all, why ship it to Germany and  
back again?


They all look the same because they are official Benz parts,  
installed by official dealers using Benz instructions, just like all  
their cars look pretty much the same, assembled from official parts  
by Benz workers.  Why on earth would they look different?


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 06 Aug 2010 14:37:37 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> Besides, the whole system is right there in the EPC.

The clincher.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

W115/114 /8 was introduced in 1968, and the AC was indeed installed  
at the dealer.  Lots of stories about saving time by bending back  
(and breaking) the sides of the console to shove the bits in without  
pulling  it as they were supposed to, leading to failures later.


All MBs were station built up the to W123, not on an assembly line,  
so dealer installation isn't really that bit a deal -- it just moved  
the work to the dealer's shop, where it was cheaper.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, I have dealers we service right now that have those cars with no AC 
at all in them.  In fact, there is even a cobalt that does not have AC.  
I do not know about the add on kit but it would not surprise me.


Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Even now there are aveos available with no ac, no cruise, no nothing.


But are there still trim packages that don't have the option of A/C?
And do they sell a dealer installable A/C kit for those trim levels?

I had no idea what the present situation is, I just thought it kind of 
odd the way they were doing it in 2005. At least the SV package in the 
Cavalier and Sunfire included CD player and A/C in 2005.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Every 115 I have seen has the same deal, identical.  If it was dealer 
installed, I would think you could tell, and it would be just a little 
different on each one.  Besides, the whole system is right there in the EPC.


R A Bennell wrote:

I believe my 76 300D AC is factory. As Kaleb said, the whole thing is sort of 
an add-on to the systems in the car
but it does not look like they had to patch it in somehow. I believe it has 
always been there.

Randy

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Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:17 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls


Im sure the 60's cars had dealer installed air, Im talking about the
later run 115's, those were factory (mid 70's). It appears to me that
the chassis was probably not originally designed with ac in mind but all
my info points to factory installed air on those.

Peter Frederick wrote:
  

Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in 
those days.  Dealer installed.


Remember, we are talking about the 60's here.  Might have started putting them 
in at the factory in the mid 70s,
but probably only the W123.  AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some 
cars out there without it.
  

Peter


-Original Message-



From: Craig McCluskey 
Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:


  

the AC on those was not aftermarket.  It was perhaps an afterthought
since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least
on the later 114/115



Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install
the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really
belonged there.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Even now there are aveos available with no ac, no cruise, no nothing.


But are there still trim packages that don't have the option of A/C?
And do they sell a dealer installable A/C kit for those trim levels?

I had no idea what the present situation is, I just thought it kind of odd the 
way they were doing it in 2005. At least the SV package in the Cavalier and 
Sunfire included CD player and A/C in 2005.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[R A Bennell]

I believe my 76 300D AC is factory. As Kaleb said, the whole thing is sort of 
an add-on to the systems in the car
but it does not look like they had to patch it in somehow. I believe it has 
always been there.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls


Im sure the 60's cars had dealer installed air, Im talking about the
later run 115's, those were factory (mid 70's). It appears to me that
the chassis was probably not originally designed with ac in mind but all
my info points to factory installed air on those.

Peter Frederick wrote:
> Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in 
> those days.  Dealer installed.
Remember, we are talking about the 60's here.  Might have started putting them 
in at the factory in the mid 70s,
but probably only the W123.  AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some 
cars out there without it.
>
> Peter
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
>> From: Craig McCluskey 
>> Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
>>
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>> the AC on those was not aftermarket.  It was perhaps an afterthought
>>> since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least
>>> on the later 114/115
>>>
>> Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install
>> the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really
>> belonged there.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Even now there are aveos available with no ac, no cruise, no nothing. 


Mitch Haley wrote:

Craig McCluskey wrote:

Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to 
install
the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it 
really

belonged there.


A few years ago, the Special Value Chevy Aveo was a $1 car with no 
factory options (which sold for as little as $6k in the late summer of 
2005). There was a factory A/C accessory parts kit for those who 
wanted A/C but didn't want to pay for the Aveo LS. I believe it was 
equivalent to installing the factory A/C from a parts car into a car 
that never had A/C.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Im sure the 60's cars had dealer installed air, Im talking about the 
later run 115's, those were factory (mid 70's). It appears to me that 
the chassis was probably not originally designed with ac in mind but all 
my info points to factory installed air on those. 


Peter Frederick wrote:

Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in 
those days.  Dealer installed.  Remember, we are talking about the 60's here.  
Might have started putting them in at the factory in the mid 70s, but probably 
only the W123.  AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some cars out 
there without it.

Peter


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From: Craig McCluskey 
Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:


the AC on those was not aftermarket.  It was perhaps an afterthought 
since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least 
on the later 114/115
  

Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install
the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really
belonged there.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Bob Rentfro]

I know I've seen mid 60's 200 Series

On Aug 6, 2010 10:15 AM, "Craig McCluskey"  wrote:

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:09:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick
 wrote:

> Sorry...
I'm talking 1972.



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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 5 Aug 2010 23:09:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick
 wrote:

> Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz
> dealer in those days.  Dealer installed.  Remember, we are talking
> about the 60's here.

I'm talking 1972.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Curt Raymond]

How does the York in the early 123 compare? I like the look of the compressor 
up right where you can get at it...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 21:59:24 -0500
From: Peter Frederick 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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The W108 system was a ThermoKing that used an R type compressor from  
GM, blower was in the passenger side kick panel.  Universally  
referrred to as "inadequate", mainly because it has very poor air  
circulation.  The evaporator is fine, and should freeze you out, but  
the air flow is best described as anemic.

The W115/114 system uses a York compressor and a dual squirrel cage  
fan behind the evaporator.  When properly charged, they will freeze  
you, even at idle.  Almost stalls a 220D though.  I converted mine  
and it worked pretty well for the few months the car ran after I  
charged it.

Peter


  
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Tim C]

Sure the seats aren't out of a Camry or Volvo or something?  Remind me
of my V70.

I've got a legit 115 rear seat.  And two fronts, but Kaleb has called
the seat bottoms already, if he'll tell me where to send them.  And
carpets and the rest of the interior, for a short time... so if
someone buys this and wants pieces let me know quick.

I have this same compressor on both the 115 240D and the '77 123 300D.
 "Long lived" is good, but I'll probably pull it from the 240D for
spare now that I've noticed it is the same.  Anything special to do
when storing compressors?

-Tim


On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> So it looks like he has some sort of 124 seats in the front and 140 seats
> crammed in the back.  Wow.
>
> Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>>
>> http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
>>
>> In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
>> this vintage of 300D?  What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
>> sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
>> with separate blowers?  I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
>> thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
>> vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.
>>
>> I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
>> appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
>> If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
>> over it.  Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Mitch Haley]

Craig McCluskey wrote:


Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install
the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really
belonged there.


A few years ago, the Special Value Chevy Aveo was a $1 car with no factory 
options (which sold for as little as $6k in the late summer of 2005). There was 
a factory A/C accessory parts kit for those who wanted A/C but didn't want to 
pay for the Aveo LS. I believe it was equivalent to installing the factory A/C 
from a parts car into a car that never had A/C.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

Sorry boys, I've talked to the guy who used to run the local Benz dealer in 
those days.  Dealer installed.  Remember, we are talking about the 60's here.  
Might have started putting them in at the factory in the mid 70s, but probably 
only the W123.  AC was a dealer installed option,and here are some cars out 
there without it.

Peter


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>Sent: Aug 5, 2010 10:54 PM
>To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
>
>On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> wrote:
>
>> the AC on those was not aftermarket.  It was perhaps an afterthought 
>> since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least 
>> on the later 114/115
>
>Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install
>the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really
>belonged there.
>
>
>Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:16:24 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> the AC on those was not aftermarket.  It was perhaps an afterthought 
> since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least 
> on the later 114/115

Yes, what he said. No way would a dealer go to all the trouble to install
the A/C in a '72 220D/8 like ours and have it look entirely like it really
belonged there.


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

Up to the W123 I believe they were dealer installed.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

the AC on those was not aftermarket.  It was perhaps an afterthought 
since orignal design, but they came from the factory with AC, at least 
on the later 114/115


Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
  

No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.



By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?  Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

  

  if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
air from from heat
to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan to 
the AC fan.



Aha.  So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?  Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.  In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.  Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So it looks like he has some sort of 124 seats in the front and 140 
seats crammed in the back.  Wow.


Alex Chamberlain wrote:

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?  What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?  I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.

I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.  Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

The W108 system was a ThermoKing that used an R type compressor from  
GM, blower was in the passenger side kick panel.  Universally  
referrred to as "inadequate", mainly because it has very poor air  
circulation.  The evaporator is fine, and should freeze you out, but  
the air flow is best described as anemic.


The W115/114 system uses a York compressor and a dual squirrel cage  
fan behind the evaporator.  When properly charged, they will freeze  
you, even at idle.  Almost stalls a 220D though.  I converted mine  
and it worked pretty well for the few months the car ran after I  
charged it.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[OK Don]

The two examples that i had were radically different (from the cabin point
of view), but then they were separated by 6 years also.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> The "factory" AC in in fact "aftermarket" -- it was dealer installed,
> comprised of US made parts.
>
> Peter


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls- seats

[Curt Raymond]

At first I was just thinking much newer MB but now I'm starting to think the 
seats are from some other car.
The wedge shape of the arm rests is whats got me wondering. Thats definitely 
not a 123 arm rest in the front or the rear... The seatbelt latches look wrong 
too.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 11:30:17 -0500
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The reason that I speculated that the seats had been re-done rather than come 
out of another car is that the rear
seat matches and appears to fit.  I sort of doubted that any other later seat 
would fit the rear as well as the
original did. Anyone know if seats out of a 123 etc will fit into a 115?

Randy



  
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

The "factory" AC in in fact "aftermarket" -- it was dealer installed,  
comprised of US made parts.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls- seats

[Peter Frederick]

They do not, the W123 is slightly wider.

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[OK Don]

I've had both - an aftermarket AC was installed in the 1970 220D I had,
complete with a non-MB center console, and the two 1976 300Ds had factory
AC.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

> On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:34:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick
>  wrote:
>
> >
> > No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.
>
> No! That is wrong! The A/C came from the factory!


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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls- seats

[R A Bennell]

The reason that I speculated that the seats had been re-done rather than come 
out of another car is that the rear
seat matches and appears to fit.  I sort of doubted that any other later seat 
would fit the rear as well as the
original did. Anyone know if seats out of a 123 etc will fit into a 115?

Randy


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Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:17 PM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls




That is the exact A/C system that I have in my 1975 W115 300D, both the 
interior and under the hood.  Yes, that is
the compressor that you see in the lower left of the pic you mentioned.  I 
can't remember the brand for sure, but I
think it is a York.  I have a spare from my recycled 1976 300D.  RIP.   Peter 
Frederick was spot on (as he usually
is, btw) with his description of the A/C and heater set up on the W115... to 
call that climate control is... a
stretch, implying a level of sophistication that is simply non-existent in the 
W115.   :)  I have never used the
A/C on my car (that is what that monster sunroof is for, if you ask me) . 
it has never worked.  Those red and
blue control levers are standard, and the dial on the lower console with the 
green is the A/C control.  Thereis
also a fresh air vent lever, as Peter mentioned, in the middle of the upper 
unit.
Those seats have been changed they are not original in any W115 I have 
seen.  As you probably know, all the
W115 300D s were automatic transmissions.

Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 W115 300D
and all the BMWs

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
To: Diesel List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID: <604107.10628...@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Are those even 115 seats?

-Curt

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID:
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.

I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.? Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?

Alex




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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
To: Diesel List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm 
thinking if I buy the car I'll have to
get it working if for no other reason than to see how much it shakes the car...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID:
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?? Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

>???if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
>air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.

Aha.? So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.? In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.? Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[toms cat1]

 
That is the exact A/C system that I have in my 1975 W115 300D, both the 
interior and under the hood.  Yes, that is the compressor that you see in the 
lower left of the pic you mentioned.  I can't remember the brand for sure, but 
I think it is a York.  I have a spare from my recycled 1976 300D.  RIP.   Peter 
Frederick was spot on (as he usually is, btw) with his description of the A/C 
and heater set up on the W115... to call that climate control is... a stretch, 
implying a level of sophistication that is simply non-existent in the W115.   
:)  I have never used the A/C on my car (that is what that monster sunroof is 
for, if you ask me) . it has never worked.  Those red and blue control 
levers are standard, and the dial on the lower console with the green is the 
A/C control.  Thereis also a fresh air vent lever, as Peter mentioned, in the 
middle of the upper unit.
Those seats have been changed they are not original in any W115 I have 
seen.  As you probably know, all the W115 300D s were automatic transmissions.
 
Tom Schuch
SE Connecticut
1975 W115 300D
and all the BMWs
 
Message: 3
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
To: Diesel List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID: <604107.10628...@web32808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
Are those even 115 seats?
 
-Curt
 
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID:
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
 
In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.
 
I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.? Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?
 
Alex
 
 
 
 
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond 
To: Diesel List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID: <865635.29853...@web32803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
 
I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm 
thinking if I buy the car I'll have to get it working if for no other reason 
than to see how much it shakes the car...
 
-Curt
 
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID:
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.
 
By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?? Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?
 
>???if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
>air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.
 
Aha.? So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?? Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.? In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.? Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?
 
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
 
Alex
  
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:39:01 -0600 Craig McCluskey
 wrote:

> The controls to the right of the key lock are for heating and
> ventilation.
> 
> The upper levers with the blue arrows control air flow, the left one
> with the blue arrow pointing up to the defroster vents by the
> windshield, the right one with the blue arrow pointing down to the
> floor vents.

I forgot: The lower levers with the red arrows control the flow of hot
water to the left and right heater cores (there are two, just like a
W123).


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 15:21:09 -0500 "R A Bennell"  wrote:

> Yes, the car has the a/c parts on it. The compressor is very visible on
> the left front of the engine. The knob to turn if on is above and to
> the left side of the stereo.

The compressor is on the passenger front side of the engine.

And, the compressor drive belt is not fitted and the pullies are rusty.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:34:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Peter Frederick
 wrote:

> 
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

No! That is wrong! The A/C came from the factory!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:

> http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
> 
> In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
> this vintage of 300D? 

It looks close to what our '72 220D/8 had.


> What's with the knobs near the stereo and the sliders above in two
> separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup with separate blowers?

The controls to the right of the key lock are for heating and
ventilation.

The upper levers with the blue arrows control air flow, the left one with
the blue arrow pointing up to the defroster vents by the windshield, the
right one with the blue arrow pointing down to the floor vents.

The round knob in the middle controls the speed of the fan.

The grille above the blue levers and round knob brings in outside air,
whose volume is adjusted by the lever just above the grille when the A/C
is not running.

When the A/C is running, some vacuum operated baffles move and block off
the outside air and the grille outputs chilled air from the A/C. The air
is moved by a different blower than when the A/C is off.

The round knob with the green arrow just above the left end of the radio
is the temperature control. 

> I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I thought they came with
> either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or vertical-slider manual controls like a
> W123 240D.

No, they did not.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Stuart S]

Those A/C controls are identical to the ones in my '76 300D.

Knob by the stereo controls A/C being on or off, and the duty cycle, which
maps roughly to temperature.

Sliders (red) control hot air left and right, and (blue) airflow to the
windshield and feet.

(If  the blower works, see if you can find out if it's been replaced; if
it's original it'll probably be dead in a year or two. All the originals
must be at the end of their lifecycles by now.)

("Great condition" inside and out? "Everything works"?

It's missing the side markers and fog lamps (the latter being optional, but
it sure looks like they WERE on it and have been removed). The glove box
isn't in "great" condition and it looks like at least one of the vent
control sliders is completely missing.

Headliner's also trashed, but that's endemic.

I'm also dubious about the radiator. Looks like dried coolant on it, and I
know from experience that when those get old they develop leaks.

"Great condition"? Must be very, very relative...

That said, at half the price it'd be an awesome parts car. And if it runs,
*and the AC and heater fan work*, it's not too bad. Those seats don't look
original, but they also look nice and clean and plush. I'd trade my trashed
originals for those anyday...)

Stuart S.

Alex Chamberlain said:

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID:
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?? What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?? I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.

I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.? Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?

Alex




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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> Are those even 115 seats?
>

I'm going to have to go look at it.  It doesn't even look like MB-Tex
in the pictures.  Maybe they were recovered at some point, but then
why not match the door panel color?

A;ex

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Curt Raymond]

I think thats a York, it looks just like the one in Dwight's '78 240D. I'm 
thinking if I buy the car I'll have to get it working if for no other reason 
than to see how much it shakes the car...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?  Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

>   if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
>air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.

Aha.  So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?  Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.  In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.  Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

Alex


  
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Curt Raymond]

Are those even 115 seats?

-Curt

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:26:08 -0700
From: Alex Chamberlain 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
this vintage of 300D?  What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
with separate blowers?  I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.

I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
over it.  Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?

Alex


  
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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[R A Bennell]

Yes, the car has the a/c parts on it. The compressor is very visible on the 
left front of the engine. The knob to
turn if on is above and to the left side of the stereo.

Interesting seats. Are they out of some other Benz or are they custom made to 
fit it I wonder?

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls


On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?  Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

>   if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
> air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.

Aha.  So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?  Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.  In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.  Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
>
> No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.

By aftermarket you mean fitted by the dealer, right?  Are these the
Behr units that are often mentioned or are there some /8s out there
with other kinds of A/C?

>   if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that switches the 
> air from from heat
> to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and switches from the heater fan 
> to the AC fan.

Aha.  So you can tell by the presence of that switch that A/C is
fitted?  Obviously the best check would be to look for a compressor
and so on under the hood, but I'm thinking about how to tell from
sellers' pictures if there isn't a good one of the engine.  In the CL
ad I originally posted, however, methinks in the pic of the engine I
see a compressor at the bottom left---at least it has two thick lines
coming off and one has a service port on it.  Is that one of the
famously long-lived York compressors?

http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls

[Peter Frederick]

No ACC in any w114/115 chassis, only manual (aftermarket) AC.  The four levers 
are for on/off, floor/windshield, and heat (one on each side).  Center vent is 
manual, and if AC is fitted, there is a rotary switch on the console that 
switches the air from from heat to recirculate only AC via the dash vents, and 
switches from the heater fan to the AC fan.  The rotary switch in the center is 
for the fan, works either one depending on the setting of the AC rotary switch.

W123/W116 got ACC, all earlier ones are manual aftermarket style AC.

Peter

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>From: Alex Chamberlain 
>Sent: Aug 4, 2010 12:26 PM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: [MBZ] W114 300D climate controls
>
>http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/1874125467.html
>
>In the 5th picture down, is that a normal climate control setup for
>this vintage of 300D?  What's with the knobs near the stereo and the
>sliders above in two separate groups---is that the factory A/C setup
>with separate blowers?  I am not particularly familiar with /8s, but I
>thought they came with either the Evil Chrysler ACC, or
>vertical-slider manual controls like a W123 240D.
>
>I love the jack-o'-lantern orange on this one---too bad the seats
>appear to have been changed out from a saddle interior to parchment.
>If it were a stick 240D rather than an automatic, though, I'd be all
>over it.  Wonder if "everything works" includes the heater blower?
>
>Alex
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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Jim Cathey]

Three 10mm nuts hold it in.  One center and one each about 30cm in 
from the A pillar


Same as a 107, then.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Redghost]

Remove the center console
take out the vent controls
remove steering wheel
cluster comes out too
under dash panels go away
push seat all the way back and lie down with head under dash
rip out the heat ducting
feel around under the dash for the three nuts
sweat like a beast, curse your lineage, both sides, consider how your  
present position is pretty close to waterboarding without the water


Get out of the car, have a cold drink and ponder your need for the  
damn dash in the first place, then crawl back in


Having calmed down, you will locate the nuts and remove them.
Have somebody help you CAREFULLY pull the dash up at the windscreen,  
then slowly up passenger side until clear, then back and clear driver  
side.


If glass is not present it works a whole bunch better

clay





On Oct 8, 2009, at 8:15 PM, TE wrote:


Yabbut how do you get to them?

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On Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying  
it


Three 10mm nuts hold it in.  One center and one each about 30cm in
from the A pillar

clay

On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:30 PM, TE wrote:


I was recently trying to take the dash out of a W115 at the pull a
part to
replace the one in my 240D, but after taking off the bottom support
rods, I
couldn't figure out how to get to whatever is holding it behind the
dash.

The center console was previously removed. Any tips?

TE

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On Behalf Of Michael LaFleur
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying
it

I've replaced the fan on a W115 a little over 20 years ago. I've also
removed dashs from W123s ans W201s.

The W115 was by far the worst.

I even tried to drive the W115 without the dash and I forgot about
the oil
pressure sensor line and felt the hot oil on my leg.

I tried to put my thumb over the line and drive back to my parking
spot but
the pressure was too great and oil too hot.

Mike LaFleur





From: David Bruckmann 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:14:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying
it

Removing the dash on a W123 is child's play. I'm told, however, that
removing the dash on a 114/115 is the extreme opposite and takes
about a
day. That's why the death of the fan motor has often meant the death
of the
car; the process of getting to the fan is a little like unearthing
the evap
unit on a W140.


Jim Cathey wrote:


Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
in my garage.)



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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[TE]

Yabbut how do you get to them?

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On Behalf Of Redghost
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:46 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

Three 10mm nuts hold it in.  One center and one each about 30cm in  
from the A pillar

clay

On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:30 PM, TE wrote:

> I was recently trying to take the dash out of a W115 at the pull a  
> part to
> replace the one in my 240D, but after taking off the bottom support  
> rods, I
> couldn't figure out how to get to whatever is holding it behind the  
> dash.
>
> The center console was previously removed. Any tips?
>
> TE
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Michael LaFleur
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying  
> it
>
> I've replaced the fan on a W115 a little over 20 years ago. I've also
> removed dashs from W123s ans W201s.
>
> The W115 was by far the worst.
>
> I even tried to drive the W115 without the dash and I forgot about  
> the oil
> pressure sensor line and felt the hot oil on my leg.
>
> I tried to put my thumb over the line and drive back to my parking  
> spot but
> the pressure was too great and oil too hot.
>
> Mike LaFleur
>
>
>
>
> ________________
> From: David Bruckmann 
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:14:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying  
> it
>
> Removing the dash on a W123 is child's play. I'm told, however, that
> removing the dash on a 114/115 is the extreme opposite and takes  
> about a
> day. That's why the death of the fan motor has often meant the death  
> of the
> car; the process of getting to the fan is a little like unearthing  
> the evap
> unit on a W140.
>
>
> Jim Cathey wrote:
>>
>> Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
>> out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
>> R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
>> in my garage.)
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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Redghost]

Three 10mm nuts hold it in.  One center and one each about 30cm in  
from the A pillar


clay

On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:30 PM, TE wrote:

I was recently trying to take the dash out of a W115 at the pull a  
part to
replace the one in my 240D, but after taking off the bottom support  
rods, I
couldn't figure out how to get to whatever is holding it behind the  
dash.


The center console was previously removed. Any tips?

TE

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]

On Behalf Of Michael LaFleur
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying  
it


I've replaced the fan on a W115 a little over 20 years ago. I've also
removed dashs from W123s ans W201s.

The W115 was by far the worst.

I even tried to drive the W115 without the dash and I forgot about  
the oil

pressure sensor line and felt the hot oil on my leg.

I tried to put my thumb over the line and drive back to my parking  
spot but

the pressure was too great and oil too hot.

Mike LaFleur





From: David Bruckmann 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:14:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying  
it


Removing the dash on a W123 is child's play. I'm told, however, that
removing the dash on a 114/115 is the extreme opposite and takes  
about a
day. That's why the death of the fan motor has often meant the death  
of the
car; the process of getting to the fan is a little like unearthing  
the evap

unit on a W140.


Jim Cathey wrote:


Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
in my garage.)



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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Redghost]

The porcine influenza has struck me down...

But my experience with the dash replacement was pretty simple to do.   
If you are doing a quick and dirty, just get the stuff out of the way  
and pay no heed to where it went on your donor.  Maybe pay attention  
enough so that when you do the install you have an outline of what to  
do first.


There are three nuts that hold the dash in.  Remove the A pillar trim,  
get the rest of the stuff out of the way and with a buddy carefully  
remove the dash.  Kill everything that gets in the way.


clay


On Oct 7, 2009, at 5:44 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:


The thought of removing the dash on a W114/115 is blood-curdling.


Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
in my garage.)


I guess the wood will be crushed with the car...


Perhaps, but it seems a shame.  Clay's done it.  Clay?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Redghost]

Piffle!  Getting the dash out is simple.  Time intense, but simple.   
If the car is getting crushed, you do not need to save the bits that  
poke through the dash, just whack them off and go to town.  What takes  
time is not destroying everything in your path as you remove or re- 
install the dash.


clay

On Oct 6, 2009, at 10:03 PM, David Bruckmann wrote:


At On 10/6/09, Jim Cathey wrote:


I believe if you remove the dash you can then access all
the little twist ears that poke through it that attach
the metal strips to which the wood is glued.



The thought of removing the dash on a W114/115 is blood-curdling. I  
guess the wood will be crushed with the car...


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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[TE]

I was recently trying to take the dash out of a W115 at the pull a part to
replace the one in my 240D, but after taking off the bottom support rods, I
couldn't figure out how to get to whatever is holding it behind the dash.

The center console was previously removed. Any tips?

TE

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Michael LaFleur
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:26 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

I've replaced the fan on a W115 a little over 20 years ago. I've also
removed dashs from W123s ans W201s.

The W115 was by far the worst.

I even tried to drive the W115 without the dash and I forgot about the oil
pressure sensor line and felt the hot oil on my leg.

I tried to put my thumb over the line and drive back to my parking spot but
the pressure was too great and oil too hot.

Mike LaFleur





From: David Bruckmann 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:14:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

Removing the dash on a W123 is child's play. I'm told, however, that
removing the dash on a 114/115 is the extreme opposite and takes about a
day. That's why the death of the fan motor has often meant the death of the
car; the process of getting to the fan is a little like unearthing the evap
unit on a W140.


Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
>out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
>R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
>in my garage.)


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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Michael LaFleur]

I've replaced the fan on a W115 a little over 20 years ago. I've also removed 
dashs from W123s ans W201s.

The W115 was by far the worst.

I even tried to drive the W115 without the dash and I forgot about the oil 
pressure sensor line and felt the hot oil on my leg.

I tried to put my thumb over the line and drive back to my parking spot but the 
pressure was too great and oil too hot.

Mike LaFleur





From: David Bruckmann 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 1:14:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

Removing the dash on a W123 is child's play. I'm told, however, that removing 
the dash on a 114/115 is the extreme opposite and takes about a day. That's why 
the death of the fan motor has often meant the death of the car; the process of 
getting to the fan is a little like unearthing the evap unit on a W140.


Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
>out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
>R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
>in my garage.)


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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[David Bruckmann]

Removing the dash on a W123 is child's play. I'm told, however, that removing 
the dash on a 114/115 is the extreme opposite and takes about a day. That's why 
the death of the fan motor has often meant the death of the car; the process of 
getting to the fan is a little like unearthing the evap unit on a W140.


Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
>out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
>R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
>in my garage.)


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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Jim Cathey]

The thought of removing the dash on a W114/115 is blood-curdling.


In fact, what better way to learn how to do it than
on a car in the junkyard?  What's the worst that can
happen?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Jim Cathey]

The thought of removing the dash on a W114/115 is blood-curdling.


Hey, it can't be _that_ bad!  It's just a dash fer cryin
out loud.  I've R&R'd 107 dashes more than I'd like, and
R'd an uncracked 123 once at the junkyard.  (Still hanging
in my garage.)


I guess the wood will be crushed with the car...


Perhaps, but it seems a shame.  Clay's done it.  Clay?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[David Bruckmann]

At On 10/6/09, Jim Cathey wrote:

>I believe if you remove the dash you can then access all
>the little twist ears that poke through it that attach
>the metal strips to which the wood is glued.


The thought of removing the dash on a W114/115 is blood-curdling. I guess the 
wood will be crushed with the car...

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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[Jim Cathey]

Is there a way to remove the wood without destroying it


I believe if you remove the dash you can then access all
the little twist ears that poke through it that attach
the metal strips to which the wood is glued.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] W114 - How to remove dash wood without destroying it

[andrew strasfogel]

The wood dash CAN be removed, although I am told it pays to have hands the
size of kitten paws.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:14 PM, David Bruckmann <
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca> wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> Saw a nice '71 250 at the PnP with perfect zebra wood (although it needs
> varnish). Is there a way to remove the wood without destroying it like you
> can on a 108, or is the 114/115 wood glued to the dash like the later cars?
>
> Any insights would be much appreciated.
>
> D.
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