Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

On 2022-08-09 21:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of
health issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for
her various health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could
address it all, but to have one that gets the “big picture” I believe
is far more important that seeing a bunch of disparate practitioners.


At one time, my parents' rheumatologist had taken over that function, 
and managed their multiple drugs and interactions. Their old GP resented 
the hell out of it, when it was his incompetence that forced the 
specialist to take over the general functions. The new GP, same guy I 
use now, had no problem with the arrangement. When we were trying to get 
a diagnosis for mom's Giant Cell Arteritis before she went blind or 
died, she got referred to a teaching brain specialist at MSU. When he 
mentioned that a rheumatology consult might be in order, she told him 
who the Rheumatologist was, and he said something like "oh, yeah, the 
guy who's been sending me faxes about you and I've been ignoring".


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Re: [MBZ] Comfort Level with Older Tires

2022-08-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
Regular use helps.  Tires that just sit seem to rot.
Partly why I like loaning out the car trailer to the
neighbors.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I supposedly never had any cardiac issues. Everything came back clean. The 
symptoms I recall having at the time were very similar to some of the symptoms 
I had when I got the pulmonary embolism real bad. I then began to wonder if I 
had a mild one that they missed while instead looking for heart issues and 
luckily it resolved itself. I am not sure if that is possible or not but that’s 
my theory. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:59 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-08-09 22:36, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> That is the role I see a primary care doctor and sort of overseeing
>> the big picture from all the separate specialist. Instead mine won’t
>> hear any of it. All he does is read off previous test results then
>> order new test results.
> 
> 
> Not a great situation when you seem to have ongoing issues which don't have 
> an obvious solution if nobody's organizing a coherent search for the 
> solution. You ever get everything resolved? Seems like you had some progress 
> on the cardiac stuff.
> 
> At least my Doc was doing his best when I had running diarrhea for over a 
> year. But there were some errors.
> He ran the standard tests, which all came back negative, then ordered a 
> colonoscopy, which came back normal, then sent me to a specialist, who told 
> me the first thing he wanted was a colonoscopy, but a special one looking for 
> specific digestive issues rather than the general cancer screening which I 
> just had.
> Eventually I figured out for myself that I had lost the ability to digest 
> certain fats, like for instance, potato chips. Zero chips, not more than a 
> few pretzels, no more backwards vomiting and no more Imodium.
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> This is also why I’m all for socialized medicine. It’s far from perfect, but 
> as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be centered on the 
> patient.

Profits are not the problem.  The lack of _competition_ is the problem.
You don't like how you're being treated?  Vote with your feet.  With enough
such votes the bad ones either get the message and improve, or die.  Either
way, you (we) win.  Yes, it can be inefficient.  That's what makes it work.

Systems that prevent you from doing this are Evil, regardless of the ideology
in which they cloak themselves.  It is also your (our) responsibility to provide
good feedback.  Traditionally it is a nice letter explaining why you will never
darken their door again.  Be nice.  Be thorough.  A walk, _with_ a letter, is
at least 10x more effective than a walk alone.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I agree, to some extent. However, a lot of this depends on the market you’re 
in, too.

I say that because if we compare the available caregivers, especially 
specialists, between say Flagstaff and Tampa there’s no comparison. Because 
Flagstaff does have an excellent range of specialists and practitioners in 
general, it’s not a bad place to get good care. But - there’s very little 
“depth” as far as practitioners are concerned. That is, where we might be able 
to choose from 10-20 specialists in the same discipline in Tampa, there might 
only be one or two in Flagstaff. Don’t like one? Your choices are immediately 
limited unless you care to drive the two hours to Phoenix.

We have dropped/changed doctors in the past if we weren’t satisfied with their 
level of care or some other attribute. And when that’s happened we provide 
constructive feedback, either in person or in writing. For that matter, we do 
this with just about any professional service provider. If they do well, like 
my ENT APRN on Monday, they receive immediate feedback and praise. If they 
don’t they get feedback and we see what their response is. If nothing changes 
or they’re dismissive, we move on. They might have been having a rough day - we 
get that - and if that’s the case they get another chance. It’s not fair to 
judge without giving the subject the opportunity to address their inadequacies.

A good example of this was our former internist, many years ago (1998, I 
recall). I had a 1:00 pm appointment. I arrived early, did my paperwork and 
waited. And waited. When 2:00 pm rolled around, I told the receptionist I was 
leaving, and I did.

Mrs. Dan saw the internist a few days later, and they remarked that I did’t 
show up for an appointment earlier in the week. Mrs. Dan “corrected” them and 
explained that I left because I wasn’t going to wait an hour past my 
appointment time to see them.

I got a phone call from the doctor that evening with an apology, and a request 
that I rebook my appointment at my earliest possible convenience. The next time 
I was there they were running a few minutes late, and the receptionist let me 
know this. I saw them maybe 5-10 minutes after the appointment time, at which 
they apologized again. I never had a problem with late appointments there again.

My time has value, too. If you can’t manage your practice/time in a manner that 
keeps things on schedule, you need to change, not me. The BS of sitting in a 
waiting room for hours tells me you don’t value my time.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> This is also why I’m all for socialized medicine. It’s far from perfect, but 
>> as long as medicine involves profits, it will never be centered on the 
>> patient.
> 
> Profits are not the problem.  The lack of _competition_ is the problem.
> You don't like how you're being treated?  Vote with your feet.  With enough
> such votes the bad ones either get the message and improve, or die.  Either
> way, you (we) win.  Yes, it can be inefficient.  That's what makes it work.
> 
> Systems that prevent you from doing this are Evil, regardless of the ideology
> in which they cloak themselves.  It is also your (our) responsibility to 
> provide
> good feedback.  Traditionally it is a nice letter explaining why you will 
> never
> darken their door again.  Be nice.  Be thorough.  A walk, _with_ a letter, is
> at least 10x more effective than a walk alone.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Exactly my point.

If you’ve got one central “source of truth” who doesn’t have to be the treating 
physician necessarily, but the go-to for anyone in the patient’s “universe” for 
information, everyone benefits.

We had a situation where a pain management PA overprescribed pain medication 
for Mrs. Dan’s back pain. As a result of this, she (unknowingly) overmedicated 
one time when it was quite severe and ended up in the hospital for three days 
getting the stuff cleared out of her system. When other caregivers reviewed her 
records/history during triage they immediately spotted the error. Had there 
been someone that would have reviewed her information on a regular/global basis 
this could very well have been avoided.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:06 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On 2022-08-09 21:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of
>> health issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for
>> her various health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could
>> address it all, but to have one that gets the “big picture” I believe
>> is far more important that seeing a bunch of disparate practitioners.
> 
> At one time, my parents' rheumatologist had taken over that function, and 
> managed their multiple drugs and interactions. Their old GP resented the hell 
> out of it, when it was his incompetence that forced the specialist to take 
> over the general functions. The new GP, same guy I use now, had no problem 
> with the arrangement. When we were trying to get a diagnosis for mom's Giant 
> Cell Arteritis before she went blind or died, she got referred to a teaching 
> brain specialist at MSU. When he mentioned that a rheumatology consult might 
> be in order, she told him who the Rheumatologist was, and he said something 
> like "oh, yeah, the guy who's been sending me faxes about you and I've been 
> ignoring".
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
How about: "I would be well, except that I am sick."


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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> Wait until they are forced to ask if you have any firearms in the house.

You are not required to tell the truth.  That kind of question is from the
list that also contains: "Does this dress make me look fat?" and "Do you
really think she's attractive?"  It's a trap, answer truthfully at your peril.

> Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.

Just as, ultimately, you are responsible for your own protection.
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.  (Unless
they're busy.)

I suspect that, if we were to dig deep enough, the real root of evil
in our system was the socialist wartime wage freezes that drove
insurance away from being an individual choice and into being a
provided-for-you work-time benefit.  Less eyes on it means that there
is greater room for the rot to begin.

'Efficient' systems are fragile.  They cannot cope with the unexpected.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] This price seems low -- scamer? 2017 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT Coupe - $44, 700

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2017-mercedes-benz-amg-gt/7519445642.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $16,000 (Apex)

2022-08-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
"looks and drives like a new car except for a couple of minor things"

Let me guess: ACC doesn't work, dash is cracked, and vacuum problems.


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> Looks for reals
>
> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7519475048.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1973 Triumph Stag

2022-08-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Apollo 3500 ... less than 90 cars ever built... Current value.. in excess
of $500,000 [if you could find one for sale, and that is not likely]...
Come to the party with your own Brinks truck full of money...
However, it is a beautiful car.. still, even by today's standards...

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> For all you aluminum block Buick/Rover lovers:
> Instead of buying a Rover 3500, or putting a 3500 engine in a Stag, you
> could buy an Apollo 3500GT and at least be visually competitive with an
> XKE, with a less troublesome drivetrain than a 1960s Jag.
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[MBZ] Has custom exhaust sounds like amg - 2007 S550 - 122k miles - $8, 700

2022-08-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes


https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/cto/d/lincolnwood-2007-mercedes-benz-s550/7519555970.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2005 S430 - 85k miles - $6,600

2022-08-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Stupid ask. You can buy a newer E class for that kind of money

--FT
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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Realtor spec.
> 
> Ad seems a little fishy but decent price if it's legit.
> 
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/munster-2005-mercedes-s430-for-sale/7519525101.html
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Re: [MBZ] This price seems low -- scamer? 2017 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT Coupe - $44, 700

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
If I had $45k sitting around to spend on a car I guess I would be all 
over that, at least to check to see if it was real


--FT

On 8/10/22 11:06 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:

On 2022-08-10 10:51, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2017-mercedes-benz-amg-gt/7519445642.html 



That 13kmi car is about half what everybody else is asking for a 30kmi 
2016.


I guess nobody drives these things, judging from the odometer readings.
Reminds me of 5-6 years ago, when I found one on a lease assumption 
site, somebody wanted to get rid of the last 7 months and 25,000 miles 
for a couple of thousand dollars. Sometimes I regret not assuming that 
lease and driving it all over the country for the summer. But the 
insurance probably would have been $1000/month, and it's a tiny car to 
travel in.


Price reduced on this one, barely half a million now. 250 original miles.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=643770043 



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[MBZ] Richard Russell hasn't been on a plane in four years now.

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeYVtVg6aGs

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Re: [MBZ] OT 1973 Triumph Stag

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

Oops, link to Milt's 5000GT:
https://bringatrailer.com/2014/09/13/the-only-green-one-1964-apollo-gt-5000/

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[MBZ] 2005 S430 - 85k miles - $6,600

2022-08-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Realtor spec.

Ad seems a little fishy but decent price if it's legit.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/munster-2005-mercedes-s430-for-sale/7519525101.html
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Re: [MBZ] 2005 S430 - 85k miles - $6,600

2022-08-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
For an S class with low miles and *if* in excellent condition, I thought it 
might be reasonable.

That said, the lack of photos and "as is" emphasis in the ad makes me think 
there is something not being revealed.



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, at 13:53, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:
> Stupid ask. You can buy a newer E class for that kind of money
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 12:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Realtor spec.
>> 
>> Ad seems a little fishy but decent price if it's legit.
>> 
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/munster-2005-mercedes-s430-for-sale/7519525101.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1973 Triumph Stag

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

On 2022-08-10 11:36, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
Apollo 3500 ... less than 90 cars ever built... Current value.. in 
excess

of $500,000 [if you could find one for sale, and that is not likely]...
Come to the party with your own Brinks truck full of money...
However, it is a beautiful car.. still, even by today's standards...


Damn. I found a decent looking survivor in the Autoweek classifieds for 
$10-12k back around 1990. I wanted that car, way more than I wanted the 
$8k Citroen SM.
I could have bought it, but it would have been my only discretionary 
purchase for 4-5 years until I got it paid off.


This is more like what I thought an Apollo GT would go for these days. I 
forgot the 5000 had a Ford 289 in it, for some reason I thought it was a 
327 like the Avanti II had. Wasn't Milt Brown a Buick dealer or 
something? $130k, reserve not met. Nice color.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-apollo-5000-gt/

I bought the magazine pictured here when I learned of the Apollo Verona, 
but I didn't hunger for one like I did the GT.

http://smclassiccars.com/other-makes/114675-apollo-verona-roadster-very-stylish-english-style-roadster.html

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Re: [MBZ] This price seems low -- scamer? 2017 Mercedes-Benz AMG GT Coupe - $44, 700

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

On 2022-08-10 10:51, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

https://myrtlebeach.craigslist.org/cto/d/myrtle-beach-2017-mercedes-benz-amg-gt/7519445642.html


That 13kmi car is about half what everybody else is asking for a 30kmi 
2016.


I guess nobody drives these things, judging from the odometer readings.
Reminds me of 5-6 years ago, when I found one on a lease assumption 
site, somebody wanted to get rid of the last 7 months and 25,000 miles 
for a couple of thousand dollars. Sometimes I regret not assuming that 
lease and driving it all over the country for the summer. But the 
insurance probably would have been $1000/month, and it's a tiny car to 
travel in.


Price reduced on this one, barely half a million now. 250 original 
miles.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=643770043

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
The one take-away I have from every interaction with the current
HMO/Medical facility is that I have been removed further away from the
Doctor-Patient relationship where the Doctor has taken a sacred
Hippocratic Oath that swears said Doctor will "First do no harm" and
second, keep the patient "Fully informed" about the treatment and the
medications used.
This Hippocratic Oath is now also reinforced by the "Nuremberg Code" that
all civilized countries now require Doctors to include in their oath to
"fully inform and have informed consent by the patient" before giving a
treatment.
This is why, any time you pick up a script at a pharmacy, you are given [by
law] a medical data sheet for the drug you pick up, which gives details of
what it is, any and all known possible side effects, etc..
The farther I am isolated from that doctor, by HMO intermediate people, the
less accountable those people are to those Oaths and my personal well
being.
This troubles me, a lot.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 4:07 AM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Exactly my point.
>
> If you’ve got one central “source of truth” who doesn’t have to be the
> treating physician necessarily, but the go-to for anyone in the patient’s
> “universe” for information, everyone benefits.
>
> We had a situation where a pain management PA overprescribed pain
> medication for Mrs. Dan’s back pain. As a result of this, she (unknowingly)
> overmedicated one time when it was quite severe and ended up in the
> hospital for three days getting the stuff cleared out of her system. When
> other caregivers reviewed her records/history during triage they
> immediately spotted the error. Had there been someone that would have
> reviewed her information on a regular/global basis this could very well
> have been avoided.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 10, 2022, at 2:06 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 2022-08-09 21:52, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I’m convinced it’s the way to go, especially for someone with a lot of
> >> health issues. I can’t count the number of doctors Mrs. Dan sees for
> >> her various health issues, and I realize that no one doctor could
> >> address it all, but to have one that gets the “big picture” I believe
> >> is far more important that seeing a bunch of disparate practitioners.
> >
> > At one time, my parents' rheumatologist had taken over that function,
> and managed their multiple drugs and interactions. Their old GP resented
> the hell out of it, when it was his incompetence that forced the specialist
> to take over the general functions. The new GP, same guy I use now, had no
> problem with the arrangement. When we were trying to get a diagnosis for
> mom's Giant Cell Arteritis before she went blind or died, she got referred
> to a teaching brain specialist at MSU. When he mentioned that a
> rheumatology consult might be in order, she told him who the Rheumatologist
> was, and he said something like "oh, yeah, the guy who's been sending me
> faxes about you and I've been ignoring".
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[MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

2022-08-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Anyone have experience with Toyota Camry from the mid 1990s?

As a lesson to the oldest boy in what you can get when you don't save up for a 
car, knowing that the rusting Focus you are driving could suffer a fatal 
failure at any time, I have found a Camry locally that I imagine could be 
bought for $1,000 or less. According to the seller, "The car is leaking coolant 
somewhere and overheating rather quickly (in less than one mile).  The 
diagnosis from the shop was bad radiator and bad water pump."

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-1996-toyota-camry/7517431978.html

I'm worried it might be something more serious like a head gasket. Though don't 
really know if these cars were prone to that. I recall the 4-cylinder engines 
used in the pickup trucks were very robust. My parents had a Camry of about 
that era and it was pretty trouble-free.

Thoughts?
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[MBZ] Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $16,000 (Apex)

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Looks for reals

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7519475048.html

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $16,000 (Apex)

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

On 2022-08-10 10:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:

Looks for reals

https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7519475048.html


If it wasn't for the three flippers (including me) in the ownership 
history that would be a fun BATflip.


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes 300SD 1980 34000 k - $16,000 (Apex)

2022-08-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Also, the "300SD" badge looks crooked, but might be perspective/camera effect.

Betting the cruise control doesn't work either.

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, at 10:20, Allan Streib wrote:
> "looks and drives like a new car except for a couple of minor things"
>
> Let me guess: ACC doesn't work, dash is cracked, and vacuum problems.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, at 09:46, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> Looks for reals
>>
>> https://raleigh.craigslist.org/ctd/d/apex-mercedes-300sd/7519475048.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT 1973 Triumph Stag

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes

On 2022-08-10 11:57, mitch--- via Mercedes wrote:



This is more like what I thought an Apollo GT would go for these days.
I forgot the 5000 had a Ford 289 in it, for some reason I thought it
was a 327 like the Avanti II had. Wasn't Milt Brown a Buick dealer or
something? $130k, reserve not met. Nice color.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-apollo-5000-gt/


Oops, I was almost right the first time. The Ford engine 5000GT I found 
was probably not original.
The BAT listing above was Milt's 5000, and it has a Buick engine just 
like all the 3500s.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

2022-08-10 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Friends don’t let friends Drive Toadas or Lexus or Prius or Hondogs or Tesla or 
any EV! There!

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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone have experience with Toyota Camry from the mid 1990s?
> 
> As a lesson to the oldest boy in what you can get when you don't save up for 
> a car, knowing that the rusting Focus you are driving could suffer a fatal 
> failure at any time, I have found a Camry locally that I imagine could be 
> bought for $1,000 or less. According to the seller, "The car is leaking 
> coolant somewhere and overheating rather quickly (in less than one mile).  
> The diagnosis from the shop was bad radiator and bad water pump."
> 
> https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-1996-toyota-camry/7517431978.html
> 
> I'm worried it might be something more serious like a head gasket. Though 
> don't really know if these cars were prone to that. I recall the 4-cylinder 
> engines used in the pickup trucks were very robust. My parents had a Camry of 
> about that era and it was pretty trouble-free.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
>> Ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own well-being.

> Just as, ultimately, you are responsible for your own protection.

I carry a pistol, because carrying a cop is too heavy.

Rick
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[MBZ] This looks very clean 2007 Mercedes-Benz gl450,$4,950

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Miles not too high, looks pretty good, tow bar.  Could be a decent deal 
if you wanted a big SUV


https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/636612124229272

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[MBZ] I don't really know what's going on with it 1998 Mercedes-Benz, $800

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
I want 800 but will negotiate transmission motor all good been sitting 
for three or four months I don't really know what's going on with it it 
was all running before I let it set so I do not really know what's going 
on with


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

2022-08-10 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes
I'd be concerned about a blown head gasket if it has been overheated more than 
once or twice.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

Anyone have experience with Toyota Camry from the mid 1990s?

As a lesson to the oldest boy in what you can get when you don't save up for a 
car, knowing that the rusting Focus you are driving could suffer a fatal 
failure at any time, I have found a Camry locally that I imagine could be 
bought for $1,000 or less. According to the seller, "The car is leaking coolant 
somewhere and overheating rather quickly (in less than one mile).  The 
diagnosis from the shop was bad radiator and bad water pump."

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-1996-toyota-camry/7517431978.html

I'm worried it might be something more serious like a head gasket. Though don't 
really know if these cars were prone to that. I recall the 4-cylinder engines 
used in the pickup trucks were very robust. My parents had a Camry of about 
that era and it was pretty trouble-free.

Thoughts?
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

"new" engine from a knacker would probably be about $200

--FT

On 8/10/22 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

I'd be concerned about a blown head gasket if it has been overheated more than 
once or twice.


Rick

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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

Anyone have experience with Toyota Camry from the mid 1990s?

As a lesson to the oldest boy in what you can get when you don't save up for a car, 
knowing that the rusting Focus you are driving could suffer a fatal failure at any time, 
I have found a Camry locally that I imagine could be bought for $1,000 or less. According 
to the seller, "The car is leaking coolant somewhere and overheating rather quickly 
(in less than one mile).  The diagnosis from the shop was bad radiator and bad water 
pump."

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-1996-toyota-camry/7517431978.html

I'm worried it might be something more serious like a head gasket. Though don't 
really know if these cars were prone to that. I recall the 4-cylinder engines 
used in the pickup trucks were very robust. My parents had a Camry of about 
that era and it was pretty trouble-free.

Thoughts?
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[MBZ] Turd with extra 0 1987 Mercedes-Benz classic,$3,500

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1489022171550078

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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread greg via Mercedes
I think if that were my dr. I would fire him.

My further thoughts: it's a localized supply/demand issue. I have a really
good internist and a super cardiologist. I am sure either one could earn
much more in NY or BOS. The internist's wife is also an MD and they each
work 3 days. The cardio is a triathlete and I'm guessing enjoys the
outdoor opportunities in the PNW. I never have trouble getting my
appointments or meds. My D-I-L on the coast has all sorts of trouble.
She's told her scrips are ready then they don't have any when she arrives.

WRT socialized medicine: I lived in BC for 5 years and paid for (heavily
subsidized) BC Med. It was fine because I retained my US health insurance
and could easily use US services if needed. BC med actually pays for
flights into the US for some emergency services not available there, and
many Canadians pay in the US so they don't have to wait many months for
some procedures. I doubt that anyone who lived under socialized medicine
would want it in the US.

Greg

> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The
> spouse has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday.
> Has a virus and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get
> an IV and just gave up. Today she had a “wellness” visit with our
> primary care doctor. She started to discuss the test results etc from the
> visit and the huge dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this
> visit was only to review certain things. Basically just going over the
> most basic items. So you are in a doctors office and they ignore a glaring
> illness and say you would need to make a sick visit rather than this
> wellness visit? It would seem to this recent issue should be addressed on
> any visit including a wellness visit. I use the same doctor and anytime I
> want to ask about my neck problems, or anything related to my blood
> thinners he doesn’t want to discuss it, only what is on his simpleton
> agenda for the day.
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Re: [MBZ] OT doctors

2022-08-10 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Some good points, Greg, thanks for the insight.

One of my concerns when it comes to socialized medicine is more a matter of the 
ability for everyone to have access to free or inexpensive medical care. It may 
not be timely, which seems to be a common thread in these systems both in 
Canada and the UK from my experience, but at least it’s available to every 
person at little to no cost.

I see the person serving up my burger or even my oldest son, who still doesn’t 
have medical coverage through his employer, and think about how they’re just 
one emergency away from bankruptcy. I took my oldest son to a local walk-in 
clinic on Monday to be treated for COVID and get Paxlovid, and the charge for 
the office visit alone was $135. Had he gone to my internist’s medical practice 
it would have been more like $275. Fortunately, the Paxlovid was free, but 
still, for someone working for $15 or even $20 an hour $135 is a HUGE amount of 
money. Lucky for him he does a good job saving and budgeting, so he had it, but 
how many people don’t? And I’m not talking about people who are indigent, I’m 
talking about a large swath of our society.

There is a large contingent of Canadians that “invade” Florida on a seasonal 
basis, and they hit the health care system heavily when they’re here. My mother 
in law complains about how tough it is to get a doctor’s appointment between 
October and April because of the influx of Canadians in her area.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 4:26 PM, greg via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> I think if that were my dr. I would fire him.
> 
> My further thoughts: it's a localized supply/demand issue. I have a really
> good internist and a super cardiologist. I am sure either one could earn
> much more in NY or BOS. The internist's wife is also an MD and they each
> work 3 days. The cardio is a triathlete and I'm guessing enjoys the
> outdoor opportunities in the PNW. I never have trouble getting my
> appointments or meds. My D-I-L on the coast has all sorts of trouble.
> She's told her scrips are ready then they don't have any when she arrives.
> 
> WRT socialized medicine: I lived in BC for 5 years and paid for (heavily
> subsidized) BC Med. It was fine because I retained my US health insurance
> and could easily use US services if needed. BC med actually pays for
> flights into the US for some emergency services not available there, and
> many Canadians pay in the US so they don't have to wait many months for
> some procedures. I doubt that anyone who lived under socialized medicine
> would want it in the US.
> 
> Greg
> 
>> What do you think about doctors these days? Are they all idiots? The
>> spouse has been sick for a week, to the point she went to the ER Sunday.
>> Has a virus and very dehydrated. ER basically did nothing. Could not get
>> an IV and just gave up. Today she had a â?owellnessâ? visit with our
>> primary care doctor. She started to discuss the test results etc from the
>> visit and the huge dehydration problem but he cut her off and said this
>> visit was only to review certain things. Basically just going over the
>> most basic items. So you are in a doctors office and they ignore a glaring
>> illness and say you would need to make a sick visit rather than this
>> wellness visit? It would seem to this recent issue should be addressed on
>> any visit including a wellness visit. I use the same doctor and anytime I
>> want to ask about my neck problems, or anything related to my blood
>> thinners he doesnâ?Tt want to discuss it, only what is on his simpleton
>> agenda for the day.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] I don't really know what's going on with it 1998 Mercedes-Benz, $800

2022-08-10 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
Hmm. First year ML. Avoid.

-D

> On Aug 10, 2022, at 4:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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> 
> I want 800 but will negotiate transmission motor all good been sitting for 
> three or four months I don't really know what's going on with it it was all 
> running before I let it set so I do not really know what's going on with
> 
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[MBZ] WHY???? 2001 Mercedes-Benz clk-class,$3,500

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/434927692019495

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

2022-08-10 Thread mitch--- via Mercedes
When that car was new, I'd buy cars like that for $200, spend $300-500 
on parts, and sell them for $1000-1500.

But they were 10 year old cars, not 30 year old cars.

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Re: [MBZ] I don't really know what's going on with it 1998 Mercedes-Benz, $800

2022-08-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Yeah. But for cheaper than the ask could be good parts car if one needed bits. 
Did I see a hitch?

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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:05 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmm. First year ML. Avoid.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2022, at 4:16 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I want 800 but will negotiate transmission motor all good been sitting for 
>> three or four months I don't really know what's going on with it it was all 
>> running before I let it set so I do not really know what's going on with
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/379021100978226
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Re: [MBZ] Turd with extra 0 1987 Mercedes-Benz classic,$3,500

2022-08-10 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Wow

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Re: [MBZ] 2005 S430 - 85k miles - $6,600

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
True I suppose if someone was after a W220, would need to be scanned and 
checked out in detail


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On 8/10/22 3:03 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

For an S class with low miles and *if* in excellent condition, I thought it 
might be reasonable.

That said, the lack of photos and "as is" emphasis in the ad makes me think 
there is something not being revealed.



On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, at 13:53, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Stupid ask. You can buy a newer E class for that kind of money

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wrote:

Realtor spec.

Ad seems a little fishy but decent price if it's legit.

https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwi/cto/d/munster-2005-mercedes-s430-for-sale/7519525101.html
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[MBZ] Clean tittle, Needs fob, Needs radiator 2004 Mercedes-Benz clk-class Designo, $8, 000

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

I like clean tittles

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/454486670050942

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mid-90's Toyotas

2022-08-10 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes

Or a Cheap Klasse

2001 Mercedes-Benz c-class
$1,000

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On 8/10/22 3:15 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Anyone have experience with Toyota Camry from the mid 1990s?

As a lesson to the oldest boy in what you can get when you don't save up for a car, 
knowing that the rusting Focus you are driving could suffer a fatal failure at any time, 
I have found a Camry locally that I imagine could be bought for $1,000 or less. According 
to the seller, "The car is leaking coolant somewhere and overheating rather quickly 
(in less than one mile).  The diagnosis from the shop was bad radiator and bad water 
pump."

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/clear-creek-1996-toyota-camry/7517431978.html

I'm worried it might be something more serious like a head gasket. Though don't 
really know if these cars were prone to that. I recall the 4-cylinder engines 
used in the pickup trucks were very robust. My parents had a Camry of about 
that era and it was pretty trouble-free.

Thoughts?
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[MBZ] Free - W108/W109 fuel tank

2022-08-10 Thread David Bruckmann via Mercedes
Greetings all,

My proactive fuel tank replacement went very well: 15 minutes out, 15
minutes in.

I now have a gently used fuel tank 109-470-03-01 for anyone who wants it,
free of charge. Located in Oakland, California. No rust, one minor ding,
good condition. Fuel sender NOT included.

Drop me a note if you're interested.

D.
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[MBZ] 2008 E350 4Matic Wagon - 160k miles - $14,700

2022-08-10 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
Is this a case of "I let my mechanic talk me into a bunch of work and now I 
want to get paid for it?"

I am having trouble with understanding how a Mercedes Benz with 160k miles 
needed all this work.

https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2008-mercedes-benz-e350-4matic/7519778117.html



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Re: [MBZ] Free - W108/W109 fuel tank

2022-08-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Sounds like an easy job. That’s good. 

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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 7:52 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> My proactive fuel tank replacement went very well: 15 minutes out, 15
> minutes in.
> 
> I now have a gently used fuel tank 109-470-03-01 for anyone who wants it,
> free of charge. Located in Oakland, California. No rust, one minor ding,
> good condition. Fuel sender NOT included.
> 
> Drop me a note if you're interested.
> 
> D.
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Re: [MBZ] 2008 E350 4Matic Wagon - 160k miles - $14,700

2022-08-10 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
Not unreasonable work but that’s worth maybe half the ask or a bit more, maybe

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> On Aug 10, 2022, at 11:14 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is this a case of "I let my mechanic talk me into a bunch of work and now I 
> want to get paid for it?"
> 
> I am having trouble with understanding how a Mercedes Benz with 160k miles 
> needed all this work.
> 
> https://nashville.craigslist.org/cto/d/franklin-2008-mercedes-benz-e350-4matic/7519778117.html
> 
> 
> 
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