[meteorite-list] List removal
Due to the unexpected death of my Husband, Jerry A. Wallace, please remove him from the meteorite mailing list. All posts are just too much for me to read thru. Jerry has an inbox of over 15,000 emails. I will never get thru them if I keep adding 60-70 emails a day. I want to thank all who sent condolences thru Impactika. They mean a lot to me. Thanks, Kathy Wallace __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Name of Texas Fall: Ash Creek
Hi Dr. Jeff and List, I, for one, am tickled that the WEST, Texas fall has been officially named anything but WEST. Years ago I became aware of the methods and criteria used by the Nomenclature Committee for naming any new fall or find. So it was obvious that the name WEST was premature. The first email I received about someone actually finding a piece of the fall (may have been Sonny- I don't remember) stated that it was found near WEST TEXAS. Well now, by gum, that name takes in a huge geographical area. Having lived in Odessa for many years, I have always heard our area termed WEST TEXAS. And it is...WEST TEXAS. I have always, arbitrarily, thought of the western part of Texas as starting around Abilene or thereabouts. A lot of folks for many years have declared that Ft. Worth is Where the west begins. Who am I to argue. West Texas officially ends just west of El Paso. It has to in that New Mexico starts there. So using Ft. Worth as a starting point (going west) and ending the trip in El Paso, we have now covered about 603 miles and are still a skosh away from the New Mexico border. If we start the trip from Abilene we'll be covering over 455 miles. I believe Darren might declare that distance to be at least an OODLE of miles, may even stretch into the next unit of measurement. I won't even go into what constitutes the southern and northern boundaries of what is considered WEST TEXAS, but there are some impressive distances there too. Most everyone who lives in the great state of Texas think of the western part of Texas when they hear the term WEST TEXAS. And that's a big place. So now you can possibly understand that every time I heard the name WEST TEXAS (and frequently written without the distinction and clarification of even a comma between the words) applied to the fall I was immediately disconcerted, discombobulated, confused, and bewildered. Contrary to popular opinion that is really not my normal state of mind. HAIL to the new meteorite ASH CREEK. Welcome aboard into the multitudinous family of existing Texas meteorites, the ones that had the good sense to aim for our great state. They knew they would be properly appreciated and cared for here. Watch for my new book The Care and Feeding of Texas Meteorites, scheduled to be on the bookstore bookshelves any time now. It would be greatly appreciated if any of you foreigners (anyone who doesn't live in Texas) who are in possession of any of our fine Texas meteorites please send them home. Just write for the correct address to mail them to. Or sending them home to Dr. Art Ehlmann at the Monnig Museum would be a good starting point. We can work out the distribution details later. Best regards from west Texas, not West, Texas, Jerry Jeff Grossman wrote: I just wanted everybody on the list to know that the Nomenclature Committee has approved the name of the recent fall near West, Texas. It will have the official name Ash Creek. See this and 38 other recent approvals at: http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/ (use the What's New pulldown menu). jeff Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question for type collectors
Thanks Darren, ROTFLMAO! Jerry Darren Garrison wrote: On Wed, 15 Apr 2009 11:22:04 -0500, you wrote: Thank you for the input. I think what I will do is subdivide my type list into two arbitrary categories - irons and everything else. I think the most meaningful distinction is classifying them by parent bodies-- and the various irons represent approx. one oodle of parent bodies (an oodle is a unit of measure that falls somewhat short of a sh*tload.) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting ethics
Hi Rob, Rob McCafferty wrote: In the UK we say STAY ORF MY LAAAND!, usually with a farmers shotgun in hand. H. Did the British government miss taking away one of the farmer's shotguns? I'll bet they would like to know where it is. I suppose we could always resort to the old SD method of meteorite hunting... search and ducksearch and ducksearch and duck. Gotta be fast. Best regards, Jerry __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astronomers catch a shooting star for 1st time - Yahoo! News
For what it's worth: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_sc/sci_asteroid_match http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/NASA/photo//090325/481/c461e8c1701c49619796a4a26bea61a0//s:/ap/20090325/ap_on_sc/sci_asteroid_matchAP – This December 2008 photo, released by NASA, shows a black chunk of rock found in the Sudan desert, the … By SETH BORENSTEIN, AP Science Writer Seth Borenstein, Ap Science Writer – 1 hr 8 mins ago WASHINGTON – For the first time scientists matched a meteorite found on Earth with a specific asteroid that became a fireball plunging through the sky. It gives them a glimpse into the past when planets formed and an idea how to avoid a future asteroid Armageddon. Last October, astronomers tracked a small non-threatening asteroid heading toward Earth before it became a shooting star, something they had not done before. It blew up in the sky and scientists thought there would be no space rocks http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090325/ap_on_sc/sci_asteroid_match# left to examine. But a painstaking search by dozens of students through the remote Sudan desert came up with 8.7 pounds of black jagged rocks, leftovers from the asteroid 2008 TC3. And those dark rocks were full of surprises and minuscule diamonds, according to a study published Thursday in the journal Nature. This was a meteorite that was not in our collection, a completely new material, said study lead author Peter Jenniskens of NASA's Ames Research Center in California. For years, astronomers have been lobbying to send a robot probe to an asteroid, grab a chunk of it and return it to Earth for labs to analyze the material. Instead a piece of an asteroid dropped in their laps and the researchers were able to track where it came from and where it landed. The asteroid, which mostly burned in the atmosphere 23 miles above the ground, is likely a leftover from when chunks of rock tried and failed to become a planet, about 4.5 billion years ago, scientists said. This is a look back in time and it came to us, said University of Maryland astronomer Lucy McFadden. She wasn't part of the study, but like four other outside experts praised the findings as important to the understanding of the solar system. It's a beautiful example of looking at an earlier stage of planet development that was arrested, halted, said NASA cosmic mineralogist Michael Zolensky, a co-author of the study. But it also serves as a lesson for the future if this asteroid's big brother comes hurtling toward Earth. Blowing it up like in the Bruce Willis movie Armageddon wouldn't be smart because this type of asteroid turns out to be very much like a traveling sandpile, Zolensky said. If you blow it up, all the pieces are heading toward Earth. Instead, a spaceship-aided nudge would be more effective, said NASA Ames Research Center director Simon Pete Worden, another study co-author. He is a longtime advocate of a worldwide program to plan for the threat of asteroids and comets hitting Earth. The real important issue is to understand the physics of these objects, Worden said. There are many different types of asteroids, all classified from afar based on color and light wavelengths. This type is called class F and turns out to be mostly porous and fragile. University of Maryland's McFadden said it's unlikely that a class F asteroid could be any danger to Earth, even if it's bigger, because of its porous makeup which would cause it to break up before hitting. It was full of metals, such as iron and nickel, and organics such as graphites, Zolensky said. And most interesting is that it has nanodiamonds. These diamonds are formed by collisions in space and high pressure and they are all over the rocks, making them glitter like geodes, he said. But they aren't big. If bacteria had engagement rings, these would be the right size for them, Zolensky said. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Sterling wrote: Well, the answer is that the chances of a meteorite landing anywhere are exactly the same as of it landing anywhere else. The landing of a meteorite is as purely random an event as any natural event can be. There is no causal connection between the path of the meteoroid and the geography of the Earth or indeed, anything about the Earth except that it got in the way of the meteoroid. Hi Sterling, List, I find it overwhelmingly necessary to take exception to your statement (above). It is a well known and established fact that the great majority of meteors and meteorites, given their druthers, aim for Texas. The ones that miss Texas can only be attributed to having poor marksmanship skills or exceedingly bad taste. Someone might point out that Northwest Africa seems to have an abnormally high clustering of meteorites. Well, those were just wimps looking for a soft landing. Didn't need that kind in Texas anyway. 'Nuf said. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all, Jerry Wallace - Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, List, Michael wrote: What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively-small island in the middle of a sea? Well, the answer is that the chances of a meteorite landing anywhere are exactly the same as of it landing anywhere else. The landing of a meteorite is as purely random an event as any natural event can be. There is no causal connection between the path of the meteoroid and the geography of the Earth or indeed, anything about the Earth except that it got in the way of the meteoroid. If you were standing idly about in your front yard and a meteorite whizzed down and landed in front of your feet, you would jump and scream, OMG! What are the odds of that?! But the odds of that meteorite landing on the square meter you were standing on is unaffected by the fact that you were standing there. Likewise, any square meter you stand on, anywhere, is as likely to have a meteorite land on it as any other, whether that square meter of Earth is land or sea, for example. (Since nearly 70% of the Earth is water, 70% of all meteorites land there.) So, when you go out into your front yard tonight to wait for that meteorite to land at your feet, you can stand anywhere in the yard you want to! (Or sit in a yard chair, if you want; that doesn't affect the odds either.) Don't laugh! The meteorite that lands -- Plop! -- at someone's feet in the front yard has actually happened, and in relatively recent times. Check out the NOBLESVILLE (Indiana) fall. Sterling K. Webb __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
Dear Meteorite Flavored Folks, I write this as a testimonial to one of the most caring and esteemed dealers in our meteorite community. Here is a lady whose heart is as generous and grand as the great state of Colorado, where she resides. She has a heart filled with caring and compassion for her customers, as well as her fellow man. She is a rarity in these times of economic uncertainty and personal financial concerns. She is one who gives without being asked. My wife Kathy and I made a major (for us) purchase from this fine lady some months back. I briefly mentioned that we would be on a diet of bologna and stale, dry bread for many months to come in order to afford the rare specimen that we were purchasing. Then, as luck would have it, Dr. Ehlmann released yet another fine and precious specimen from that most wondrous of collections of Texas meteorites, the Monnig Collection. Having learned my lesson several years back about rare specimens not lasting long on the open market, I (with Kathy's gracious permission and in collusion) decided to bite the bullet and acquire that next expensive rarity for our Texas collection. Again, I mentioned to our favorite dealer that we would probably have to go on half rations of our bologna and dry bread diet in order to survive our decision to keep our Texas Collection as our foremost consideration. (The kids starved years ago early in our collection process. Still feel bad about that, but we must let bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge, as it were.) Imagine our surprise when the specimen arrived and in the box were not only the rare meteorite and its documentation but also a huge stack of current food coupons. Now we can have cheese and mayonnaise on our bologna sandwiches. And there were coupons for burritos, for Pillsbury dinner rolls, for Pillsbury frozen cookies, for Red Baron French Bread Paninis, for Chef Boyardee ravioli and beefaroni as well as a variety of Forkables, coupons for juices, potpies, and Ball Park Franks. And the list could go on and on. We'll eat like kings and queens this winter and have our meteorites, too. What more could poor folks ask? Now I ask you, is there a finer, more generous meteorite dealer on this planet, or any other planet that we know about? I think not. Without mentioning specific names, can you even in your wildest dreams imagine a Farmer, a Blood, or a Cottingham helping to feed their hungry customers in these dire times? (I lied about not mentioning names.) Again, not damned likely. And so, with tongue firmly planted in cheek, I nominate Ms. Anne Black as the most humane and thoughtful of existing Meteorite Dealers. I ask that the powers that be (Mr. Bostick, et al, if memory serves) initiate and produce an award to be presented at the Tucson Auction/ Awards Ceremony this coming year for The Most Generous and Caring Meteorite Dealer Known to Mankind. Best regards to all, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas P.S. to Mr. Mike Farmer... Please read and understand the above letter in the spirit in which it was written, an attempt at humor, and don't get all warped out of shape just because I mentioned your name. You, Mr. Blood and Mr. Cottingham are all fine dealers deserving of recognition as well. I have been a customer of all of you over the years but none of you have ever helped feed me when I made extravagant purchases from you. Thanks, jw. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
True story, Michael. The Care Box just got here yesterday. And I was just pulling your leg a little bit about letting your customers go hungry. I'm sure you would never let a customer starve. Jerry Michael Farmer wrote: I am not sure what to think about that email. Is it a joke, or are you serious? Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A dealer with a heart.
Pete, That may have been the case a few years ago, Pete. But have you seen the price of cat food lately. Besides that, our cats would attack us if we started eating their food. Better to stay on the safe side and just eat the bologna. Have to fight with the cats over that. They love bologna. Jerry Pete Pete wrote: I was puzzled, too... If it is a joke, let me continue it with; Think of the great meteorite specimens you could buy if you just ate cat food! Ar ar ar! Cheers, Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] article sent to list from Twink Monrad
Even though it's unusual to see a meteor or meteorite during the day, Dougall said they are pretty common. The Earth gets struck constantly by meteorites. Constantly, he said. Sounds like if the interviewer had probed Mr. Dougall's thoughts a bit deeper, he might have said: I'm always dodging the damned things left and right. They're mighty pesky critters, them meteorites. Had a really close call with one last Thursday. Almost got it right in the teeth. Just one little misstep or miscalculation as to their speed or trajectory and you're fried mush. It's a bloomin' wonder more people aren't hit by the rascally things. But then maybe that's why we seem to be having so many mysterious disappearances lately. People that are hit by a fast, sizable fireball are immediately vaporized. Happens so fast nobody notices. Just the smell lingers a bit. But even that's gone in a hurry if there's any breeze. Yep, meteorites are probably the culprit, all right. Seems like it's way past time for a major government investigation into the matter. Or not. Jerry W. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorite find ...possible hoax.
Hi Sonny, Thanks for the heads up on this (find?). Being very familiar with Texas caliche and limestone, I am curious as to how the finder cleaned the sample so well. Everyone around here knows that anything that has been entrapped in a caliche and/or limestone deposit sticks to the object worse than bubble gum sticks to the bottom of a boot on a hot day. Did the finder mention if perhaps he had dunked the iron in an acid bath? That's a quick and easy way to clean the limestone off, but a terrible way to preserve an iron. Just curious because it sure looks cleaner than picks and brushes would get it. However, the silicate inclusions and coarse crystals appear to make it a slam dunk to be an old iron. Now if you can just nail down where it's really from. Best regards, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I recently answered an ad regarding a meteorite for sale that was found in Texas. I have included a portion of the email below. Thanks for your reply on the meteor. Here are some additional details on it: I am an amateur fossil hunter and I was searching a river-bed in central Texas, outside This river bed I was searching within is the Lower Cretaceous- Glen Rose formation, well known for its ammonites, grastropods and other shell fossils. It is a soft to hard limestone group and is stratified into various layers. There are no known layers of metals such as irons, ingenious or other metamorphic type minerals within this outcrop of Texas. During my hunt I ran across a dark, rust colored stone sticking outside of the side bank at about two feet above my head. Was very much out of place as this was a tan-light brown colored limestone layer. Started to pull it out, but had to pick it out. It was very heavy and was rusted. Was pretty excited about it and had my suspension it was a meteor. Researched on the subject and ran a few objective analyses on it. It is highly magnetic, has nickle content, shows fusion crust, one spot has very bright silver underneath the rusting and weighs in at 14.2 lbs. Consulted a couple of Geo-Techs and they agree it is a meteor. I have attached photos of the ammonites I found within the same layer to give you an idea of the type of limestone and fossils found in that formation. After a lengthy phone conversation I agreed to his asking price. With the agreement; before his receiving payment I would request to cut and etch a small slice of the suspected meteorite. From the pictures it looked very much like a weathered Campo or Nantan. I expressed my concern that many of the Iron meteorites that are turning up today for sale are meteorites that were purchased and being misrepresented as a new find. Also it would be tough to find anyone to classify it if it resembled a Campo or Nantan .The finder assured me that this was a new find and another small piece was found above this location that resembled the meteorite. I thought to myself this can't be true, I better call up my hunting partner and reserve plane tickets now before Steve Arnold or Ruben find out! Just kidding ! This is when things started to get strange. The finder called a few times expressing concerns about the value of the meteorite, increased interest from potential buyers, etc. I was also forwarded a email from a person wanting to purchase the meteorite. The strange thing about the email it sounded like my previous phone call with the finder but the name was different and now the person expressing concern about the meteorite was working with a large University in meteorite studies. At this point I was starting to doubt any of this was true . I decided to contact the University and was surprised to find out that they never had worked with or heard of this person. I still thought that this could be true and waited for the meteorite to arrive ! I received a phone call from the finder the day before the meteorite was to arrive expressing ebay prices and possibly not wanting to sell the meteorite . From the prices on Ebay this could be worth thousands of dollars! Yeh right! Finding someone to classify it and all the time involved, you could make Millions! When I opened the box I could see rust fragments inside the bag that was protecting the meteorite. Still anything is possible! Lying in a limestone formation for millions of yeras that was once the bottom of the ocean. I wonder if that deep sea fishing pole I dropped over the side of the boat last year will last that long? After cutting and etching the meteorite. it appears to be a Coarse Octahedrite with silicate inclusions. I really can not prove that he did not find this meteorite or if it is a Campo or Nantan. The purpose of this post is to help anyone who may come across this meteorite. I placed a few pictures of the meteorite and cut face on my web page. Thanks, Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/id33.htm
Re: [meteorite-list] 2 kilo unclassified forsale (ad)
Did I miss something in that last sentence? Nope. Just Chicago Steve being Chicago Steve. 8[ Bob Holmes wrote: Five hours ago you posted: Hi again list.I have 4 meteorites forsale.I have 2 NWA 1685 Individuals (82 grams $150) and (90 grams $200).I also have a 234 gram endcut of (nwa 788 $200).And I have a 300 gram slice of (SAU 001 $175.00)I have pics of all of them,plus free shipping.Let me know offlist.No more ad posts after this one. Did I miss something in that last sentence? - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] 2 kilo unclassified forsale (ad) Hello list.I have a 2 kilo unclassified masterpiece forsale.SORRY NO TRADES!!This is a $1500 stone but I will except $1000 for it.It was space rocks of the day last week.Pictures everwhere.Please let me know offlist. steve arnold __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Completed.
Hi Folks, Well, I see the big money boys (collectors and dealers) were hard at work today. They certainly blew me out of the water on 1938 Monahans (Texas) and Sandia Mountains (New Mexico). In reviewing the winning bids on the other meteorites in the auction, I didn't notice any bargains. They all seem to have sold for top dollar plus a bunch. Thought some of you might also like to review the auction results: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r Best regards, Jerry W. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Completed.
Jason, List, Sorry about that. It appears Bonhams must have taken the pages down shortly after I sent the link. The home page at Bonhams offers a phone number in the lower left corner that provides the sales prices. They will also fax the results to you. http://www.bonhams.com/ I wish they had left the pages up that gave the specimen descriptions, sizes and photos along with the completed sales prices. C'est la vie. Take care, Jerry W. JASON PHILLIPS wrote: Hello Jerry, It seems the link is broken, was there something else at then end? I am very excited to see it. Thanks, Jason - Original Message - From: Jerry A. Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MeteoriteCentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Bonhams Auction Completed. Hi Folks, Well, I see the big money boys (collectors and dealers) were hard at work today. They certainly blew me out of the water on 1938 Monahans (Texas) and Sandia Mountains (New Mexico). In reviewing the winning bids on the other meteorites in the auction, I didn't notice any bargains. They all seem to have sold for top dollar plus a bunch. Thought some of you might also like to review the auction results: http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r Best regards, Jerry W. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite?
Dave, That's certainly the most convincing argument I've heard so far. I think you nailed it. Jerry W. Dave Carothers wrote: Because Adam Hupe, Greg Hupe, Mike Farmer, Dean Bessy, Ruben Garcia, Geoff Notkin, Steve Arnold #1, Moritz Karl, Martin Altman, etc. (the list goes on) said so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] How Do You Know It's A Meteorite? Dear List Member, I would like to hear your most convincing response to the layman's question, How do you know it's a meteorite? My best, Thomas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Fall
Hi Matthias, and List, Matthias wrote: From Texas: Down there? Vineyard? --- Chile? CHILE???! I'm guessing that a good many of you might be surprised to learn that there are a fair number of vineyards in Texas, mostly west Texas, that have been producing excellent wines for several decades now. And, yes, we're famous for oil wells, too. It turns out that this west Texas dirt/sand is not only good for oil, but is compatible with cattle (and a few sheep) and also grows grapes very well, too. My wife and myself have enjoyed these fine wines for many years. They're priced very reasonably compared to imported wines since they're produced and bottled within a couple of hundred miles in almost any direction of my home here in Odessa, Texas. We are fortunate to be able to buy these wines from a discount wholesaler several cases at a time. Over the years we have drank some excellent Portuguese, French, German and California wines. These Texas wines are on a par with the best of the imports (and cheap!) Many thanks are due to the fellows at Texas AM (Agricultural and Mechanical) University for the extensive work they have done over the years to make Texas a competitive wine producing country. CHILE, indeed! As our tourism advertising slogan says, Texas - a whole 'nuther country. Since McCartney ranges far and wide in his meteorite searches throughout Texas and Mexico my bet would be either USA/Texas or Mexico (there's some fine vineyards there, as well.) My congratulations to McCartney for tracking down yet another meteorite. He's been busy emulating H.H. Nininger for some years now with productive results to show for his efforts. Shows what a little hustle will do. Best regards, Jerry W. PS... Speaking of Chile, that reminds me, Texas IS the number one producer of the world's finest CHILI. Y'all come on down and I'll spot you to a bowl of Texas Red (chili and wine) before we hit the desert in search of those plentiful Texas meteorites. Matthias Bärmann wrote: From Texas: Down there? Vineyard? --- Chile? - Original Message - From: mccartney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Fall I've just returned from a new fall. It looked like everyone missed this fall, so I went. I spent 2 weeks down there hunting down stones, and canvasing the area house by house. Its mainly agricultural land and dominated by vineyards. Unfortunately, there is never plowing in vineyards, so no more stones will be found. (maybe 1 or 2 in the coming years) Most of my time was spent in public outreach and teaching people how to identify stones. TKW is 5 kg at this time. I recovered 2.3kg. Looks like an H4 or H5 Ordinary Chondrite. Conditions were not good for recovery, almost all stones punched into the soft ground 1/4 meters. Those stones that were recovered were because they hit near someone or hit a road. http://texasmeteoritelab.com/x/img_1241.jpg http://texasmeteoritelab.com/x/img_1299.jpg http://texasmeteoritelab.com/x/img_1257.jpg I've got to get my saw up and running and cut specimens in the next few days. I'll post more details later. Anyone want to guess which country the fall was in? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 12 Reasons Why Everyone Should Own a Meteorite Calendar!
Anne, Your list consists of only nine gracious and highly intelligent women. We will need at least an even dozen to produce the calendar The Ladies of Meteorite Central. Unless we skip three months...or, use photos of three ladies twice in order to give the calendar the usual twelve months, which could bring charges of favoritism, there appears to be only one satisfactory solution: you'll just have to find three more lovely, meteoritically inclined feminine participants. If we hurry we might yet throw something together for this year, but to truly give the project the care and expertise needed we should probably shoot for 2009. That way Ms. January and possibly Ms. February won't be shorted in their hanging/viewing time. Or, those could be a couple of the months we skip if we produce it this year. Whatever. I might suggest that each participant be shown holding an eye-popping specimen (even if we have to borrow it) of their personal favorite meteorite. This could provide an excellent opportunity to raid the meteorite vaults of Messrs. Haag, Blood, Hupe, Cottingham, Notkin, etc. in search of those highly photogenic specimens that haven't seen the light of day in years. We might be able to do a Lovelies of the IMCA for 2010. Never too early to plan ahead. This plan for the calendar(s) should have ladies joining the MetCentral List and IMCA in astounding numbers. Get ready for the sudden increase. Who knows, the MetCentral List could morph into a Dating Service for Meteorite Nuts. Stranger things have happened. If you think you've seen spiteful, acrimonious arguments and comments on the List in the past, just wait till those post Date and bitter relationships that have folded comments and dialogs start showing up. They'll be throwing their meteorites at each other. Art's gentle and noble patience in holding this list together might finally be tried to the limit. Maybe the calendars aren't that great an idea after all. A bit of reconsideration might well be in order here. Well shoot, never mind, Jerry W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need glasses Ruben!!! Yes there is Maria, and me. And Twink, Tracy, Susan, Candy, Dolores, Carol, Zen, and those are just the ones I can think of immediately, they are many more, And you are probably going to hear from each and every one of them And those are real women, with a functioning brain. Right, ladies? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 12 Reasons Why Everyone Should Own A Meteorite Calendar!
Anne, Your list consists of only nine gracious and highly intelligent women. We will need at least an even dozen to produce the calendar The Ladies of Meteorite Central. Unless we skip three months...or, use photos of three ladies twice in order to give the calendar the usual twelve months, which could bring charges of favoritism, there appears to be only one satisfactory solution: you'll just have to find three more lovely, meteoritically inclined feminine participants. If we hurry we might yet throw something together for this year, but to truly give the project the care and expertise needed we should probably shoot for 2009. That way Ms. January and possibly Ms. February won't be shorted in their hanging/viewing time. Or, those could be a couple of the months we skip if we produce it this year. Whatever. I might suggest that each participant be shown holding an eye-popping specimen (even if we have to borrow it) of their personal favorite meteorite. This could provide an excellent opportunity to raid the meteorite vaults of Messrs. Haag, Blood, Hupe, Cottingham, Notkin, etc. in search of those highly photogenic specimens that haven't seen the light of day in years. We might be able to do a Lovelies of the IMCA for 2010. Never too early to plan ahead. This plan for the calendar(s) should have ladies joining the MetCentral List and IMCA in astounding numbers. Get ready for the sudden increase. Who knows, the MetCentral List could morph into a Dating Service for Meteorite Nuts. Stranger things have happened. If you think you've seen spiteful, acrimonious arguments and comments on the List in the past, just wait till those post Date and bitter relationships that have folded comments and dialogs start showing up. They'll be throwing their meteorites at each other. Art's gentle and noble patience in holding this list together might finally be tried to the limit. Maybe the calendars aren't that great an idea after all. A bit of reconsideration might well be in order here. Oh, never mind, Jerry W. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need glasses Ruben!!! Yes there is Maria, and me. And Twink, Tracy, Susan, Candy, Dolores, Carol, Zen, and those are just the ones I can think of immediately, they are many more, And you are probably going to hear from each and every one of them And those are real women, with a functioning brain. Right, ladies? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Possible crater?
Jerry, List, This is copied from the article that you supplied herein: We will defiantly let you know the outcome of the research, they said. Seems there's been quite of few of those threats on the List this year. Maybe things will calm down to normal next year and folks will get back to just nicely reporting the facts. Regards, Jerry W. Jerry wrote: http://www.havredailynews.com/articles/2007/06/11/local_headlines/local.txt again from nuggetshooters Jerry Flaherty __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: OUTRAGOUSLY CHEAP EBAY SALE
Man! Bessey Specks have really grown since I last looked. I think he's been injecting the tiny little specks with steroids lately. H. Wonder if steroids are refined from asteroids. Dean must have found a way to do it. Jerry W. dean bessey wrote: I have more than 50 NWA's ending on ebay today. Nothing special classification wise but exceedingly cheap. many under 5 cents a gram. My 8 kilo one here seems to be generating most interest but not many bids. See all my auctions here: http://stores.ebay.com/DEANS-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES Sincerely DEAN (AMUNRE on ebay) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or Pornographic...could be the start of a unique themed collection!
Graham, I think you're right about that. Seems as if Michael ought to supply some of that K-Y Boundary material I've been reading about with that specimen. Jerry W. ensoramanda wrote: Now if we are just discussing oriented meteorites...take a look at this!!! Or is it just pornographic :-[ http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-Choice-Oriented-Unique-Sikhote-Alin-26g_W0QQitemZ200148047830QQihZ010QQcategoryZ3239QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem Could be the start of a unique themed collection for somebody eh! :-) Graham Ensor michael cottingham wrote: From: michael cottingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:48 PM To: 'michael cottingham' Subject: AD: Auctions Ending Today, See Highlighted Links, New CV3 Slices and Howardite Specimens (Large Ones!) Hello Everyone, Today I have about 50 great Auctions Ending. Also, I just listed in my ebay store, an amazing array of CV3 and Howardite specimens. These are larger super grade pieces… worth a look because they are enchanting, especially the CV3 material. Oh yeah, 15% off sale in my shop for the next 24 hours or so… __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ladies and Gentlemen....they found him !!
Jan, List, As usual with this type of high-dollar scam, there's the obligatory collection of low resolution, fuzzy, long distance photos of the miracle object. And they always throw in the piles of old, questionable, bad and/or irrevelant science that invariably proves the object to be authentic. So, for a mere pittance of only $2,409.64 per gram, you could be the proud owner of the only known piece of the massive Tunguska meteorite. What a deal! Jerry W. Jan Bartels wrote: Impact the link belowit'll knock yer socks off !! http://cgi.ebay.com/1908-Tunguska-USSR-Russia-Asteroid-Rock-Rare_W0QQitemZ150165607031QQihZ005QQcategoryZ20095QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Have fun all !! Jan Yvonne, Holland www.heavenlybodies.nl Meteorites, Close encounters of the best kind. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce
Good Grief, Charlie Brown. I had no idea things had deteriorated to that point across the pond (again). I don't know whether to send food, money, or a sympathy card. Or maybe all three. Cheer up, maybe that planet destroying asteroid will be here sooner than expected. Or perhaps a case or two of Quaaludes would tide you over 'til the big one hits. Stiff upper lip and all that. Try not to stare directly into the sun for long periods. It can be discombobulating. Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are a society that starves our grandchildren to feed our children. All the signs are there to prove that Mother Earth cannot take anymore of the pollution and the destruction we throw at her. We are seeing increasing numbers of Tsunami's, Volcanic eruptions and Earthquakes even here in England we are experiencing this. One really sad thing I see is one day an Asteroid comes and hits us and wipes out half the planet I see unfortunately some humans would try and drag the remnants of it away and attempt to sell it on Ebay because cash is all that is worshipped. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] frebies and givaways
Well said, Paul. I completely agree with your analysis. After years of going around in circles over this issue, I have come to the conclusion that there is no cure for a self-aggrandizing imbecile who has pleaded guilty on all counts of list abuse, apologized numerous times and promised to reform, but never has. He reminds me of a number of politicians who have the same disorder. In psychiatric/psychology terms Steve's condition is generally referred to as Dependent Personality Disorder. This is a treatable condition, but obviously suggestions from folks who really only want to talk about meteorite related topics have little or no effect upon the subject (that being Steve in this instance.) I would suggest to Steve that in order to live a much more fulfilling life in a more normal way that perhaps he should take a break from meteorites for awhile and seek professional help. Then come back when you're fixed. Good luck with that. Paul, thanks for speaking up (again). Best regards, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/1/2007 1:51:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list.I hope all are well.I just want to let everyone know who won freebies,all will finally be mailed out this weekend.I also hope you all enjoy your free stuff. steve arnold Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! . Good afternoon Folks, An Open Letter to (Chicago) Steve Arnold Re June 19, 1999--a day which will live in infamy. Steve, Despite the scores of annual requests you receive from List members, pleading with you to cease your endless aggrandizement, egocentric self-promotion, abuse of bandwidth, and generally insufferable banter, you continue your abuse at a rate which shouts from the rooftops how little respect you have for the vast majority of List members. Case in point: Is it really necessary to inform the entire List that your “ freebies” de jure will be mailed out this weekend? Honestly, Steve, you certainly must have the email addresses of those folks who you are sending your rocks to. Contact them directly if you must, not via the list. While I don't claim to speak for all List members on this topic, I, for one, don't give a rip when it is that you are mailing your rocks out. Please allow common sense and common courtesy to dictate your posting habits. In the alternative, drop your computer system in the nearest lake and listen to the collective sigh of relief across the planet. Paul Martyn ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mini gao sale
But gosh gee whiz, Steve. Due to your self-proclaimed Gao addiction, won't you need to buy them all back next week in order to give them away at some later date? Jerry steve arnold wrote: Good late evening list.I have put up 12 very nice fusion crusted individuals of gao.I am selling them for $1.75 per gram.Gao tends to sell between .80 to $2.50 per gram depending on orientation,flowlines,fully crusted,etc.These have at least 95% fusion crust or better.Except for 1 piece,they all have the jet black crust.Let me know off list if you want any.As usual shipping is on me. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] small gao givaways
Well gosh, Steve. Please let us know in excruciating detail when each one is claimed. Thanks, Jerry steve arnold wrote: HI LIST I HAVE 7 SMALL GAO'S TO GIVAWAY WITH THE ORIGINAL COLOR.JUST CHIME IN AND CLAIM YOURS. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites _ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re Nevada picture of the day / Reply to Ruben Garcia
Hi Robert, I used to have a nice little marble collection, but then I lost all my marbles. So I next took up collecting space rocks, a natural transition. I've been confused ever since so your letters make perfect sense to me. But Ruben definitely has a good idea. Just lick, stick, then stand back and admire. I could handle that. Move over Ruben, I think I'll join you. Loved the picture...Parates of the Mojave. Arrrgh. Jerry Robert Verish wrote: Original Message Re Nevada picture of the day / Reply to Ruben Garcia Ruben Garcia meteoritemall at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 16:08:07 EDT 2007 I'm retiring from meteorite hunting, I think stamp collecting would be less trouble. Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona End of Original Message - Apologies to the List, I had no idea that my post would have this kind of an effect on the reader. Who knows how many countless numbers of people have turned themselves away from a hobby in meteorites because of my articles! Just a few more of my posts and soon it will be only me and Chicago Steve on this List… Ruben, you should be thankful that we never carpooled together out to Willcox Playa. Can you imagine me going on and on for hours about provisional numbering? You'd be lucky if you didn’t end up like some of my “Team Members” below: http://albums.mouseplanet.com/MouseAdventure060430/x003.sized.jpg Arrrghh! We be plunderin’ the Mohave Desert, fur shor’ matey! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] more meteorite talk,PLEASE
OK! There we have it. The pot has officially called the kettle black. Jerry steve arnold wrote: Hello list.I think we have done enough talking about hamburgers,matteo,and other non-meteorite BS.Can we not get back to talking about meteorites?PLEASE!Hey even taking about boring gao is better than the crap that has been going on here the last few weeks. steve Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HELP ! and, Who's still got their first meteorite?
Hi Kevin, List, That brings to mind a fond memory. It was in the late winter of '57 and the sun was barely beginning its work day in West Texas by starting to illuminate the landscape through the cold, gray, dismal, misty, low overcast morning. I was with my mineralogical mentor on yet another trip to raid the agate beds at Marfa, Texas. I was in the seventh grade at that time, so I was probably still about 13, and an eager learner about anything mineralogical. My good friend, Mr. V. C. Wiggins (a former mayor of Odessa in the '30's) had promised me for several months that he would take me to the Odessa meteorite crater some day, and this was the day. Mr. Wiggins at that time had the one and only rock shop in Odessa and it was conveniently located only a half block from the Junior High School I attended. Needless to say, most of my brown bag lunches were eaten in his shop. Then, too, he had to push me out the door in the evenings so he could close and go home. He was a fine gentleman that I will always miss. We bounced down the narrow fence line dirt road for miles in Mr. Wiggins old '51 Buick until we finally arrived at what appeared to be a large muddy hump in the otherwise flat landscape. He parked with his headlights aimed at the geological anomaly and proudly exclaimed, That's it! I'm not sure what I was expecting, but I do recall being sorely disappointed in the sight. That's just another example of reality rarely meeting expectations. But what the heck, I was thrilled to be there. I took off at a dead run up the muddy slope, promptly slipped and found myself rolling back down the muddy slope. I'm sure Mr. Wiggins was both amused and somewhat wary at the thought of me getting back into his Buick as a mud blob. We worked that out later with old newspapers from his trunk. Once inside the floor of the crater, I was advised about more of the crater's history and given a mental picture of what I should be looking for. In the excitement of finally being there, I had forgotten to bring my rock pick or flashlight from the car. So I took off across the crater floor kicking at muddy lumps. All but one of those lumps turned out to be caliche. This one piece that wasn't caliche I took over to Mr.Wiggins for identification. It was about seven inches long by three inches wide with tapered ends. Turns out that it was indeed a part of the meteorite. A very rusty, crumbly part of the old meteorite, but it was mine. I then moved to the southern side of the crater and began clawing away at it with a broken branch of old mesquite. After sifting through the muck with my cold fingers I found a small black piece of something that obviously wasn't the prevalent caliche. Another fast run over to the expert and I got the good news that this was a keeper. I turned to resume my muckraking for more keepers but was cut short by the order to return to the Buick so we could get on with the business of the day which was to extract as much of that fine Marfa agate as humanly possible and still get back to Odessa without the expense of spending the night on the road somewhere. As was typical of our agate hunting trips, despite our best intentions of leaving the hunting area earlier so as to get home earlier, we left well after dark for the three hour trip back to Odessa. We bounced along with a trunk and rear floorboard full of the prized agate, and my two pieces of the Odessa meteorite. As usual, the headlights of the Buick were pointlessly pointed towards the stars. That always made our trips more exciting by only having a faint glow of light on the highway. So, to keep this short (HA), yes, I still have my first pieces of the fabulous Odessa meteorite. Wouldn't trade them for Mr. Arnold's new Brenham. Well, maybe the shale piece. The solid piece that I recovered weighed in at 2.1g. Never weighed the rust. I surely had one of the prized specimens that Prof. Ninninger and the earlier hunters missed. The crater is now a part of the Texas State Parks system and hunting at the crater site itself and the surrounding ranch land has been prohibited. Glad I was there in the good old days. The crater has been turned into a very tourist friendly place now and includes an exceptionally fine visitor center with heating, air conditioning and indoor plumbing, but you still need to be cautious of the rattlesnakes and vicious jackrabbits when in the crater or thereabouts. There is now a modern paved road to the crater with only one cattle guard to bounce over. The visitor's center has a great collection of museum quality specimens of meteorites from around the world. Come take a look. You're guaranteed to enjoy the experience or your money back. Hurry while it's still free. For a bit of the history, current information, and a look at the modern day, cleaned up version of the Odessa Crater please go to: http://www.utpb.edu/ceed/GeologicalResources/West_Texas_Geology/Links/odessa_meteor.htm
Re: [meteorite-list] trade updates
Whoa there, Litig8n, We're talking about the one and only CHICAGO STEVIE here. A MAN who makes his own rules, sets his own limits and digs his own holes. Truly a giant among pygmies. CHICAGO STEVIE'S biography/screenplay is currently on hold so that more of his latest unbelievable accomplishments can be included. The construction of the Fans of CHICAGO STEVIE website is also currently on hold until we see what fantastic future sales, buys and trades can be included on the site. What a thrill to daily read the voluminous emails from this master of manipulation in meteoritics. Stand back- a serious player is at work here. So, Litig8n, a little slack is in order, don't you think? If CHICAGO STEVIE wants lots of Gao he'll probably wind up with tons of Goa. CHICAGO STEVIE Fan #2, (I moved up a slot- the previous fan #2 resigned last month. The Fan #3 position is now available. Hurry to sign up while these coveted memberships are still obtainable.) Jerry . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/28/2007 7:55:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, Chicago Steve writes: Hello list.I updated my website and deleted all pics that are not for trading(Ad nauseam) Good Day Folks, Quick question. Have I missed something, or does the list-rule limiting the number of ads for meteorite sales not apply to trades as well? Best Regards, Paul Martyn Savannah __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE. Weird pic...Apollo 14
Hi Kevin, Well that's an easy one... Ice Cream Trolley indeed. Ha! That's one of the Lunar Visitors Welcoming Committee's Hospitality Carts. I'm surprised there are no pictures of the comely Moon Girls handing out Moon Shine Juice and Cuban cigars (they're not banned on the moon, you know), with the cute little umbrellas in the glasses, to the crew of the Lunar Module. Judging from all the ribbons and clutter strewn about, this photo must have been taken after the party was finished. These areas have become known as strewn fields to many list members who are frequently seen crawling around in the mess on the morning after, looking for eyeglasses, apparel and other lost personal items. This picture must have been taken while Commander Shepard and Lunar Module Pilot Ed Mitchell were showing the Welcoming Committee Moon Girl Hostesses the finer points of the Lunar Module. The picture was taken at Fra Mauro which is known to be one of the better recreational areas and vacation spots on the Moon. That's just a short ways from Twin Cone Crater Resort which was [sort of] named after Twin Peaks from right here on earth. Small solar system, isn't it? One of the most challenging moon golf courses is located there at Twin Cone Crater Resort. There are three par 5's that are each over 11,000 yards. On the moon those fairways are normally played with a 3 iron or a 3 wood, depending on how strong and from what direction the photon force from solar flares is on any given lunar day. The pictures showing the Crew of the Apollo XIV Lunar Module frolicking with the Moon Girl Hostesses after imbibing a gallon or two of the moon famous Moon Shine Juice must surely be in the NASA photo archives somewhere. Keep looking, Kevin. If you can't find them, the threat of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit might kick them loose. Good luck with that. I'm certain that most MetCent List members would enjoy seeing them. Now who says our Space Program is a waste of money? I think a good 25% of our GNP should be directed towards the Manned Space Flight Program. The law enabling this could be titled The Manned Act, no relation to the previous Mann Act, of course, even though in coming years it would probably become applicable to space traffic from Earth, as well. I would volunteer in a heartbeat for the next mission. Wishing a very Merry Christmas and a great New Year to all, and/or: May the Moon Girl Hostesses Club Santa Assistants Group (probably very similar in organization to the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader Association) stuff your stockings (or your shorts) with moon rocks and those little sample bottles of Moon Shine Juice. And to all a good night, Jerry Jan Bartels wrote: Hello,Anybody here care to help me figure out what's in this Photo in the Apollo 14 Archives?..I'm stumped..:http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-67-9384HR.jpg Thanks..Kevin...:) An Ice cream trolley ?? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Need Metal Detector Please
Hi Justin, There should be one available any day now. Chicago Steve I'll haunt you forever Arnold bought one last week. It's about time for him to get bored with it when he discovers that he'll have to read and understand the instructions in order to be able to use it. It is a White's GoldMaster GMT. If you are new to the MetList, I would recommend reviewing the archives as there have been numerous discussions about metal detector preferences for use as meteorite detectors. There are list members that are world class detectorists who have contributed to these discussions. Take advantage of their good advice. Be sure to watch for Big Steve's sale announcement. But don't worry --- if you miss it the first time you will have numerous opportunities to catch it in his subsequent 'daily sale reminders'. Best regards, Jerry justin weippert wrote: Does Anyone want to sell there metal detector to a meteorite hunter. I could go to a store but I would like to save some money. Nothing To Expensive. Maybe in the 200-300$ range. I would appreciate it. Thanks justin! Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=45083/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test...Please Delete.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Metallic Rock Baffles Experts
Ron Baalke wrote: Rock baffles experts; can't figure out what it is This post turned out to be one of those with what could be considered a highly misleading headline or Subject line. When I first read the Subject line I thought, Man, that's the first time I've ever seen Ron Baalke send an off-topic post. I was in total agreement with the experts that were baffled, though, concerning Metallic Rock. I well remember being baffled by it back in the '80s when my kids were big fans of Metallica and Kiss and a slew of other bad flavored and outrageous bands of that era. I sure didn't raise them to like that stuff, but I found that what I thought about their musical tastes didn't seem to matter a whole lot. Reminded me of my own teenage years during the fifties...I liked rock and roll and didn't much care who cared otherwise. As to the what the actual story turned to out to be, however, it will be interesting to see what more sophisticated testing reveals the mystery substance to be. Hope somebody keeps up with the story and posts the results. Jerry PS...Thanks Ron. Sorry I leapt to a premature conclusion and misjudged your post like that. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad 64 meteorites auctions ending right now.
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Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Self-Proclaimed Pairing Issues/ UCLA Issue...
Hi Norm, I seem to recall from Nininger's book Find A Falling Star that Nininger himself was never a fan of the UCLA lab and had a few harsh observations concerning their procedures and practices. Of course, that was many years ago, but it appears that maybe they're still using some of those same unsavory practices. Regards, Jerry Norm Lehrman wrote: Thomas, Take heart. Almost a year? Try never. The last piece I sent to UCLA they claim to never have received even though people visiting the lab asked about it and were told probable preliminary classifications. Now they want a second piece? Can anyone help me get the kick me sticker off my back? I don't know where the problem might be. US mail? UCLA mailroom? Met lab? I suspect the mail room. Packages going to this department might have valuable rocks. But that doesn't explain the verbal communications suggesting the material was in process. Lesson: if you can find a way, have your material hand carried into the hands of a respected scientist by someone who can vouch that it was delivered. I am very disheartened by the whole experience. Maybe you get what you pay for. It appears I did. Cheers, Norm http://tektitesource.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Harvey Awards - New Category
Greg, Great idea YES! Jerry Greg Hupe wrote: Dear List Members, A month or two ago I posted to the list that I felt that Steve Arnold - IMB and Phil Mani should be nominated for a Harvey Award for their Huge Brenham Main Mass discovery and also Geoff Notkin for his tireless work on behalf of the Hurricane Katrina Fund Raiser among other too-numerous to list meteorite-related activities. I know that Geoff and Steve originally set up the Harvey Awards where they could not nominate themselves for an award. I would like all list members to join me here on the list to nominate these fine gentleman for a Harvey Award an encourage them to make a new category where they could receive an award if enough of us voted YES to this. Maybe they could create a People's Choice award or something along these lines. Everyone in favor, send the list a resounding YES and lets acknowledge their contributions and achievements in public. Consider this my YES vote... Best regards, Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA 3163 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Comet Capsule to Produce Light Show...
By ALICIA CHANG The Associated Press Sunday, January 8, 2006; 12:24 PM LOS ANGELES -- When a NASA capsule hauling comet and interstellar dust plummets through the Earth's atmosphere this weekend, residents in large sweeps of the West will witness a cosmic spectacle... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/08/AR2006010800383.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy New Year Everyone !!
Hi Greg and List, Hope you don't mind me sharing your email to join you in extending those those same simple yet eloquent wishes to everyone...plus adding a few special wishes for the coming year... To Steve Arnold, IMB: Maybe this new year the big one won't get away. Hang in there. To Steve Arnold, Chicago: Sure hope this is the year you finally get a really big Fukang. To all those hunters who will be out in the deserts and boonies this year... plan ahead, be prepared, keep yourselves safe, and bring home those big ones. Well, don't leave a bunch of little ones laying out there either. Just bring 'em all back. We'll sort 'em out when you get home. A Super New Year to All, Jerry Greg Hupe wrote: Hope everyone has a safe night and a very prosperous New Year. Best regards, Greg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - 77 Auctions Ending, Great Stuff! hors d'oeuvres...
Hi Michael, That would be hors d'oeuvres . (Probably akin to some rare type of French meteorite.) I have always pronounced that as horse ovaries, which tends to raise a few eyebrows at the fancier parties, but being Texan, I figger that's close enough. Jerry Michael L Blood wrote: on 11/15/05 1:22 PM, dean bessey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: while the rest of us pions have to eat cake? --- Dean, Are pions anything like peons? And, while we're at it, I am writing an article and am including commentary about eating little snacks before dinner and I cannot come close enough to spelling it correctly to get the computer spell checker to recognize the following word, spelled phonetically: orderves - can anyone out there help me. Just a pion looking for some help - er, make that a peon. Ooops, I guess this isn't about meteorites, is it? Oh well, I guess I am special and don't have to follow rules. or do I? Gee, maybe you have a point, Dean. But I don't think one individual (or brothers) is/are the only one(s), now, is/are it/they ? Still, how DO you spell orderves? Best wishes, Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help, your opinion needed
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But in my case I saw the colored teardrops fall off just behind the mass and fall into the yard next door about 35 feet away. I could see the red, yellow, green, white, blue orange, silver and gold drops fall in front of the garage! So I know exactly where the fireball was. I had a good fix on it. I was surprised though when it did not land where I thought it would. It verred up slightly and went further then I wanted it to. JWB, Have you ever considered that your neighbor may have been shooting off Roman Candles or horizonal skyrockets? Did this drippy fireball you witnessed happen to occur around July 4th or New Years? Also, 48 years is a very long time to retain an accurate, unembellished memory. Just a thought. Jerry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nebraska Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite
Hi Sterling and List, Sterling cited: Park Forest, M'Bale, Holbrook, Benld, Gao and Noblesville. Lets not forget New Orleans...or the one that almost landed in my backyard- Monahans. Newspaper reports (thanks to Mark Bostick) noted that...well- here are the actual excerpts: A four-inch piece of rock, believed to be a meteorite, landed about 30 yards from a group of youngsters playing basketball on the north side of Monahans, while a second, slightly larger rock, was found by a Ward County Sheriff's Deputy at a nearby site this morning. Dang it. Missed that magic 65' circle by 25'. Another quote from the same newspaper report: One of the youths, ranging in age from 8 to 16, said the rock glowed red hot, when it first landed, according to the Monahans News. Well, putting that particular kid's wide age range aside (could have been a wild juvenile hormone fluctuation, or even the result of being in close proximity and getting a massive dose of gamma rays from the newly fallen meteorite)- one wonders whether one of our brilliant 'hick' reporters might not have excitedly asked the question, Was the rock glowing red hot when you first saw it?OBJECTION! LEADING THE WITNESS! It happens. Lest they be not forgotten. Jerry PS...Great math, Sterling. Don't understand it all, but it's good mental exercise trying to. Sterling K. Webb wrote: Ron Baalke wrote: http://www.theomahachannel.com/news/4672177/detail.html Fairbury Man Says He Was Nearly Hit By Meteorite The chances of this close of an encounter are one in 100 billion, expert said... The object landed about 65 feet from where Kinzie was. Hi, This (unnamed) expert needs a basic course in statistics. Assuming one defines this approach (65 feet) as a criteria for close, then the number of cases of a fall being within 65 feet of a human being are substantial. How many people were within 65 feet of the fall of any fragment of PARK FOREST? There were reports of much closer approaches in M'BALE. A meteorite which hits an occupied car is, of course, closer than 65 feet (and most unoccupied cars, too). Any frag that strikes an occupied house or building less than 65 feet square is a case (dozens and dozens of those). Maw, it's raining rocks! (HOLBROOK) The BENLD car smasher hit only 25 feet from the human occupants of the house. Several GAO frags hit people. Don't forget the Alabama lady in the town I can't spell and am too lazy to look up.. The NOBLESVILLE (Indiana) stone fell literally at the feet of a young boy, within inches! It's a long, long list. Forget the Nebraska glowing rock whacko. Integrating for the varying size of the human population over this time period, I get odds of about 4,000,000,000 to one per year. Lifetime odds are less than 100,000,000 to one! This assumes the individual perceives the fall, hence these odds is for observed falls only. 65 feet is far enough away that the fall of a small fragment, which is what most of them are (remember the power law), is easily missed, just like the small fragment itself, so the actual rate is much higher. A 130 foot circle has over 53,000 square feet, a big target. Assuming that those humans don't bunch up too much (they do, but they all count as one person only in this survey), from low to high fall rate estimates, I gauge 6 to 15 cases per year, observed or not. Spread out, people! Wait for the meteorites to fall in your lap (or 130 foot circle)! Sterling K. Webb --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Personal Message to Steve Arnold, Chicago...(My Apologies to the List.)
Again, regretfully, and most assuredly for the last time, I must trample on the good graces of the Meteorite List members in order to ensure that (what should be) a personal message to another list member is read by him. My sincere apologies. TO STEVE ARNOLD, CHICAGO... Steve, in that I cannot elicit any response from you concerning your offer (see below) to sell a 1g piece of Sweetwater, Texas, then I must presume that you have either already sold it, or have no intention of selling it, or- who knows what your reasoning is for not responding. I should have known better than to try dealing with you again, as I recalled in the past when you were new on the list, that my attempts to do business with you then were nothing short of maddening. I had sincerely hoped that you had matured somewhat by now. Obviously you have not. Your refusal to communicate with a customer during a business transaction is nothing short of astounding. Your total lack of common courtesy seems to be a trademark attribute for Illinois Meteorites, LTD. Limited, indeed. Steve, suffice it to say that my offer to purchase the Sweetwater, Texas, specimen is withdrawn and I will not bother you about it any further. With regret, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas ... Steve Arnold wrote ( 6/28/2005 3:52 PM ) Hi list.I was just rummaging thru some odds and ends and I found 2 more specimens for my givaways.One of them is a small micro's of SEEMORE DOWNS,AULSTRALIA,and the other is a 2.1 gram slice of NWA 162.What I have forsale is a unique piece that comes with a very special note with it.I have a 1 gram fragment of SWEETWATER,TEXAS with a typed note from ELBERT KING.It is type out to someone, but it does not state who he is typing to.So I am making available to anyone for $50.For all those who like to collect historical meteorite related stuff, this might be something for you.Pictures upon request.No this is not spam to all the idiot naysayers out there. steve arnold chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
ATTENTION STEVE!!!!!! [Fwd: Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) 2 GIVAWAYS AND 1 Extra special meteorite forsale]
Steve, Since I haven't heard from you I suspect you may have my email address blocked in your email client (program). Or, you may just be ignoring me as you did years ago when I tried to communicate with you. So, with the List's kind indulgence, I'll try this route. Whatever the case, would you please respond as to whether you will sell me the piece of Sweetwater, Tx., as per my request below. Thanks, Jerry .. Jerry Wallace wrote (6/28/2005 / 5:45PM CDT) Hi Steve, If you still have the Sweetwater, Texas piece, I would like to buy it and the Elbert King note if you will accept a PayPal payment for it. Thanks, Jerry ... Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.I was just rummaging thru some odds and ends and I found 2 more specimens for my givaways.One of them is a small micro's of SEEMORE DOWNS,AULSTRALIA,and the other is a 2.1 gram slice of NWA 162.What I have forsale is a unique piece that comes with a very special note with it.I have a 1 gram fragment of SWEETWATER,TEXAS with a typed note from ELBERT KING.It is type out to someone, but it does not state who he is typing to.So I am making available to anyone for $50.For all those who like to collect historical meteorite related stuff, this might be something for you.Pictures upon request.No this is not spam to all the idiot naysayers out there. steve arnold chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT... eBay Effect: Obsession CNBC...
Folks, For those of you who might have an interest- there is a special on this evening titled, eBay Effect: Obsession. It starts at 7:00PM CDT on CNBC. You'll need to check your local schedule for times. It promises to be interesting. Since so many of us on the List spend way too much time and money on eBay, I thought you might enjoy it. Apologies to those not interested. Jerry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa 3119
Hey Steve, Congratulations on your new NWA 3119. See you got shot out of the saddle on the 6.4g Pena Blanca Springs, tho. $27.74 per gram is a little strong for that one, unless you really want it bad. Now, how about an answer on the Sweetwater, Texas offer, please. Jerry Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.Nwa 3119 is a very beautiful meteorite.I just got a 16 gram slice for $50 on ebay from greg hupe'.Wow looking up close at it,the clasts are really nicely shaped and really stand out.Alot of the chondrules are really close together somewhat resembling the chondrule conglomerate.Avery nice meteorite.Thanks again to the hupes'for making it available.This email is meteorite related! steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] boy oh boy
Steve, Don't you ever get just plumb sick and tired of thinking of nothing but yourself all the time??? Get a hobby. Have you ever tried stamp collecting? Or take up a sport. Bull riding seems to be growing in popularity- and you only have to concentrate for 8 seconds at a time. Or, try writing a daily column for your website. You could easily produce a Whine of the Day feature in 72 distinct flavors. Apply thyself to producing something less offensive to yourself and others. You would find it rewarding. Your friend, Jerry Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Wow and I thought I was being blown out of the water!Fossils,human terraforming,pteradyactul eggs,non-meteorites,pictures,etc.At least most of my posts were meteorite related.I do not see anyone else getting HELL like I got when I posted METEORITE related stuff.It just goes to show that some people just HATE me.I thought this was a meteorite only list,as people have blantantly shoved down my throat to remind me?Just lettin'ya'll know.Have a nice day. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] you should be here
Hi Steve, Sounds like you're having a great vacation. Much deserved, no doubt. Matzatlan is a beautiful place to visit. It occurs to me that you now have a fantastic, perhaps even a once-in-a- lifetime opportunity available to you. The Mexican deserts, the Sonoran and the Chihuahuan, have been scantily searched for the marvelous meteorite treasures that are most assuredly lying there just waiting for you to find them. An expert such as yourself, who can smell a meteorite from miles away, should be able to spot large, untouched strewnfields in the somewhat remote regions of these small, user friendly deserts. If you were to take the bus from Matzatlan up the coastal highway to Los Mochis, you would then be at a prime jumping off spot for your expedition. In Los Mochis you could equip yourself for your search through the desert of your choice. Keeping it simple will be the key to your success in this endeavor. You will need a piece of string, a magnet, a water jug, a backpack in which to carry your case of Spam, a small piece of cork and a magnetized needle, in case you feel the need to make a compass. I would pass on the compass materials to cut down on the weight, however. If you should feel lost at any time, just follow the crowds as they are all heading north to the border. You should also get yourself a large wheelbarrow in which to carry along the treasure (space rocks.) Perhaps you should also buy one of the beautifully decorated sombreros that are available in that area at a very reasonable cost. It will come in handy for shading your eyes during the many siestas you are likely to take. In Los Mochis you will need to make the decision as to which of the small, hospitable deserts you wish to search. To the NNE you have the Chihuahuan Desert. Your timing for this trip is impeccable, as always, Steve, for during the spring, the desert is cool and lush with edible vegetation and cute and cuddly wildlife. The same can be said for the Sonoran, of course, whose path lies to the NNW. If you choose the Chihuahuan Desert for your route northward, you will possibly run into some low foothills known as the Sierra Madre Occidentals. These have never been scoured with a trained eye such as yours so you might need a burro or six with packs to bring out the tons of lunars, martians, and gorgeous pallasites that lie in wait for you. There are many coffee shops and restaurants thoughout the area that will provide you with computers and broadband internet service from which to keep the List informed of your progress and spectacular finds. Even though burros will be available at the nearest town or rancho whenever you need them, you should not neglect to take the wheelbarrow. Think of the fun you can have riding it down the gentle northside slopes of the foothills. Be sure to tighten the chinstrap on your sombrero before taking off. Wouldn't want to lose it. Also be careful not to careen through the northward bound crowds on your fun rides in the wheelbarrow. I would recommend going the Chihuahuan route because if you take the Sonoran trek you will likely come out at the Arizona border. There would be hundreds of unscrupulous meteorite dealers there from Tucson and Phoenix who would try to steal your valuable treasures at a mere pittance of their actual worth. When you reach the east/west fence you will be nearly home. Just toss all your meteorites over the fence and make a mental note as to their location. Run the many burros off that you have accumulated on your trek by shouting, GO HOME NOW! The burros, being highly intelligent and obedient will immediately return to their owners. Nobody will bother your meteorites and you can come back for them later with a large truck. By doing this you avoid confusing the border guards who have probably never heard of a meteorite and therefore wouldn't know whether to allow you to bring your treasure across the border or not. Small thing. People do it all the time and it really helps out the overworked border guards. Then, continue along the fenceline for a few miles in either direction until you reach one of the numerous border crossing stations. Make certain you are wearing your beautiful sombrero when you arrive at the station. You would also do well to buy some of the stylish Mexican sandals from someone in one of the many northward bound groups you cannot help but encounter along the way. Another nice touch would be to wear one of the colorful serapes that can be obtained almost anywhere in your travels. The ever friendly border guards will more than likely just wave you through with a big, friendly smile. Should one of the guards try to engage you in friendly conversation, you should step back and shout as loud as you can, I AM NOT A TERRORIST! I AM AN AMERICANO TURISTA! LET ME PASS NOW OR I WILL SUE YOU! This generally works in 99% of the cases. But, in the unlikely event they have any suspicions about you, the guard
Re: [meteorite-list] looking for meteorites in maztatlan
Steve, There have been many of us on the list who have been telling you where to go for years. You weren't paying attention. Your friend, Jerry Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Wow I have gotten many emails telling me where to look for meteorites in this area.There are 2 places where I am going to look.There is bird island and wolf island right across the bay.I am going to ckeck both islands for 2 days.Thanks again to all the great people who gave me ideas.It is now 92 degrees and completely sunny.Until later. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Discover Yahoo! Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/stayintouch.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Ad - Pena Blanca 4.3 grams
Well dang, Dave. Just tell everybody. We have been watching that piece very quietly without bothering anybody. Now you've probably started a whole ruckus of bidding wars over it. Shucks! Jerry Dave Harris wrote: Hi all If anyone is interested there is a lovely 4.3g part slice of Pena Blanca Springs on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6531325568 ad over! dave IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPA 04-25-1946 Meteor Crater Not Meteoritic, USGS
Mark, That's a mental trap fallen into by numerous minds over the ages. Sort of a clap-trap snare, as it were. It's also a sieve that serves to separate the detritus from the plausible. Obviously, Dr. N. H. Darton of the U. S. Geological Survey, 1946, jumped in with both feet and eyes wide closed. The effect of the analogy he used is similar to one that I've been fond of using as illustration for many years... All the Indians in Florida walk single file- at least the one I saw did. Jerry MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello List, Related to postings of this last week concerning Meteor Crater. Paper: Nevada State Journal City: Reno, Nevada Date: Thursday, April 25, 1946 Page: 8 (of 12) No Meteor Made Hole in Ground Meteor crater, near Winslow, Arizona, one of the intriguing phenomena of the southwest, subject of intensive study and much-gaped at by tourists, have been de-bunked, says Charles F. Willis in the Mining Journal. Contrary to popular conception, Dr. N. H. Darton of the U. S. Geological Survey maintains that the huge cavity was not formed by the impact of an enormous meteor, but as a result of a steam explosion. For supporting evidence he points out that a similar but smaller crater which lies 120 miles to the east has a cinder cone in its center. (end) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas http://www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com http://www.imca.cc http://stores.ebay.com/meteoritearticles PDF copy of this article, and most I post (and about 1/2 of those on my website), is available upon e-mail request. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 72 givaways
AG!! Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi again list.Well after over a year and 72 givaways,everything is all gone.I hope everyone who got something will appreciate what I have done.It has been my pleasure to do what I have done.They always say it is better to give than to receive.I like to do both, but it feels better to give.To all the peoplw to whom I gave specimens, please enjoy them. steve arnold, chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [Martin Altmann] Deport (a) safely home...
Hi Martin, Just to let you know that Deport (a) arrived here safe and sound this afternoon. I could almost swear I saw it make a big grin when I opened the wrapping and the Texas sunshine hit it in the face. We're planning a big WELCOME HOME party for Miss Deport (a) (all 23.37 grams of her) this Saturday with plenty barbeque and cold Bud longnecks, so if you happen to be in the vicinity of Texas we would be most honored to have you join the party. That invitation stands good anytime, Martin. Many, many thanks for your gracious help in the transaction. Best Wishes, Jerry PS... She's a beauty; a little stained, perhaps, but for something that's been putting up with us humans for over sixty years and being sent halfway around the world and back- she's holding up very well. A true Texan at heart. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buckleboo
Michael L Blood wrote: Buckleboo - Has anyone explained what this means, signifies, implies or otherwise impels some people on the list to include it in their posts? Michael Michael, Well, I've heard the Buckleboo question enough times now until it's finally got my curiosity aroused. Google offers over 14,200 references to Buckleboo; most, I suspect, having to do with Buckleboo Station in South Australia. Turns out it's a hot area for real estate sales and investment. Who woulda thunk it? http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=BuckleboobtnG=Google+Search One of the more colorful and descriptive sites is: http://www.buckleboo.com/buckleboo/index.htm You've sure got to hand it to the Aussies, though. They're nothing if not the most inventive people on the planet when it comes to naming their towns and places with the most strange and interesting sounds. I suspect Martin uses Buckleboo as a sign off because the word sorta tickles the tongue when spoken, the ear when heard, and the mind when thought of. It's even occured to me that when spoken in its native habitat it may even be threatening in nature. Or then maybe it just might have something to do with the Buckleboo meteorite as others have suggested. I guess only Martin Altmann knows for sure and I don't recall that he has explained it. Maybe we could gang up and tickle him 'til he 'fesses up one of these days. West Texas Jerry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Weird Meteorite-Related News Story
Geoff, Interesting story. I noticed this at the bottom of the story: For more than 20 years, Budnick tried to file and peddle mining claims in such diverse places as George's Bank, the asteroid belt, Mars and the moons of Jupiter. After trying several states without success, he finally persuaded Texas authorities to accept his astral mineral rights claims in 1984. Texas is a bit unique and far more liberal than most other states about filing and eventually granting and /or recognizing land claims. Just because the claim is not on our particular planet is somewhat irrelevant to our state government boneheads. Please Note: My own claim for the dark side of the moon is still pending but I expect it to be approved soon. Regards, Jerry Notkin wrote: Dear Listees: Check out this story from the Associated Press. Be sure to read half-way down the article, where it says, Budnick, who claimed he had accidentally given Gauthier a bottle of acid he kept in his garage for cleaning his collection of meteorites . . . http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=647000 And the story is from Springfield, Mass. too. To think, we might have seen this character at the Springfield show? Mining claims on Mars, indeed? Sounds like our kind of guy. Geoff N. p.s. And this is nothing to do with my April Fool's article about the ants, which a number of List members thought was for real. I'm a little worried about some of you guys: ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Please Ignore!!!! Way off topic!!!! Stating the OBVIOUS!??
Hi Adam, The problem here lies not with you but with the average American who is almost totally ignorant when it comes to the 'mysteries' of the metric system. The average (older) American doesn't know a centimeter from a centipede or a millimeter from a millipede. They can't tell you which has more volume: a quart or a liter (except for a few dedicated drinkers who figured it out at the liquor store years ago when the distillers went through the conversion process to metrics.) There was a once a highly promoted national program that was meant to educate Americans about the use of the metric system and then gradually convert the country over to its use. If memory serves, it seems like that was during the Kennedy administration. It was a rational and noble effort that died on the vine because it brought the populace of our fair country together like few things before or since. I well remember all the kickin', screamin', shoutin', and hollerin' that the proposal caused. Yessiree and by dang, they shouted in unison, the old methods of using inches, feet, yards, fractions, quarts, gallons and the like were good enough for our forefathers, so by jingo, they're good enough for us. Well, the government cratered to popular will, therefore we're still building and measuring things with a system of measurements that was created by establishing the distance between the tip of the King's nose to the tip of the King's thumb with his arm outstretched as being one yard (whatever that was). The metric system is actually based on scientific reasoning and is incredibly easier to use. It actually makes sense. I don't know what is being taught or used in schools now, but I can only hope that the metric system is the preferred system. If it is, then it's one of the few things that the feds had any input on that was truly useful and right. But then that's a different can of worms. So, my recommendation to you is stick with using the centimeter cubes as scale comparisons in your photos, and thereby force the boneheads to go out and buy a metric ruler. It'll be good for the economy and may give the knuckleheads a clue the next time they meet a centimeter or millimeter. Just some thoughts from the west Texas wilderness, Jerry Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List, I must be missing something here. Using a 1 cm cube to give a perspective buyer some scale is considered by some a corruption of use? It tells a lot about this public forum when something as innocent as a scale provided in an image so that a perspective buyer can make an informed decision about the size of the object is somehow considered a scam. It makes the avocation so much more enjoyable. Just, what is proper scale etiquette? Kind Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] centimeter cubes cont.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, the most surprising thing I have heard when someone sees a cube in person is just how small one is. A cubic centimeter is a tiny measurement. Cheers, Martin H. My gosh, Martin, there's a whole TEN MILLIMETERS along each side of that of that there cubic centimeter. Size, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder. So it appears, Martin, that it's all about an individual's sense of spacial perception in comparison to a known and familiar object. Since one would be dealing with a multitude of individuals on eBay, then one should therefore make allowances for that? Pehaps a martian meteorite should be laid next to a Mars Bar for size comparison. Maybe the masses would be more comfortable viewing a lunar lying next to a Moon Pie (at least us southerners could relate to that.) Perhaps the English amongst us might have a better sense of size if we used a sugar cube instead of that dreaded centimeter cube. Or maybe the Polish could draw a better size comparison if that NWA were laid beside a Polish sausage. I could rattle for days on this but I won't. Random thoughts on a cold, wet, bleary west Texas day that's fit for hunting geese but not meteorites... Jerry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Books in the Mail
Hi Kevin, Received my signed copy, no. 42, of your book yesterday. Mailed on Feb., 9th, arrived Feb., 17th. [I was beginning to worry a tad since I've missed shipments on three different parcels, all in U.S., since mid December.] Eight days across 1,293 miles (or 2,061 km- for those of you who are metrically inclined.) Seems like more and more our United States Postal Service is operating like many postal sevices in the various third world countries, sort of a hit and miss proposition. Must be the price of gas or having to fight off terrorists along the way, or something. I don't know. Seems like the Pony Express made better time delivering mail while fighting off or outrunning our native American Indians. But who I am to say? Thank goodness for email- spam and all. Back to the point... Fantastic book. Fills a niche that's barely been addressed in any other meteorite related books that I've ever read. It is a most welcome addition to my collection, which has expanded to the point where I'm seriously considering moving my bed into the garage so I can have a little walk-around room. The book is definitely a keeper (but really, I keep all of them- which partially explains my critical lack of living space.) You've written on some fascinating topics and provided many stunning photographs. Obviously you've put a tremendous amount of work and thought into the book. I don't see how you can sell such a beautifully printed book so reasonably. My sincere thanks to all of you who were involved in creating this fine book. If this lousy weather continues through the weekend, I will have the book completely read by Monday. Great timing on the delivery, USPS. Best regards, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All orders for The Art of Collecting Meteorites received from individuals and dealers as of 12:00PM EST today, Monday, February 14, are winging around the world as we speak. There is still time to order a signed and numbered copy and this can be accomplished by looking at: _www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com_ (http://www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com) I thank those who have purchased their copy and to those who have written encouraging words. I invite thoughtful criticism sent privately to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED])that would improve any future edition. I also want to thank list members for tolerating these ads and updates without complaint. This one should be the last. Happy Valentine's y un abrazzo los todos, Kevin Kichinka __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for a BIG-ger beaker
Hola yourself, Dave, I was pretty certain that Chicago Steve was in Tucson this year, but this is the first photographic evidence that I've seen. http://myweb.cableone.net/dandrews/beaker.html Thanks for passing that along. Jerry DNAndrews wrote: Hola Dos Juans, I also haven't seen much input to your query, but if you look closely at the image URL below, you will notice there was a VERY LARGE beaker at the Meteorite Mayhem Birthday Bash. I don't know who it belonged to, but perhaps someone that was there can enlighten us. http://myweb.cableone.net/dandrews/beaker.html I hope this helps in your search for a large beaker. Best, Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Science Article: Rock Cracks Point North...
Folks, Stumbled upon this article that will undoubtedly be of interest to a number of you. Fascinating theory. Many of the desert and dry lakes hunters can put it to the test. Have any of you noticed this phenomenon? I see no reason why, over time, the process wouldn't apply to a meteorite just as well as any terrestrial rock. It could take millenia for the process to work depending on the how dark the rock is, as well as its chemical contituency. Jerry http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050121_rock_cracks.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where they fall...
Steven Drummond wrote: Just because it fell in a specific place on this earth (or hit something man made ) doesn't make them any better than any of the others. Hi Steven, It's obvious you're not a Texan. For instance, I separate my collection into two major categories: 1. TEXAS Meteorites 2. Meteorites, The Rest of the World I suspect most other Texans do the same. Have a good and prosperous New Year (and buy lots of oil), Jerry . __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Call For A New Meteorite List
Dear kind, gentle, patient, and knowledgeable Meteorite Folks, I'm hearing: NEW LIST! NEW LIST! MODERATED LIST! MODERATED LIST! Well, folks, before we get a lynch mob all worked up here, let's rake this mess over the coals a few times and see how it smells then... First (and with great deference and appreciation to Art for his contribution in providing this List with a home for these several years- it ain't his fault we can't behave), let's look at the NEW LIST options. The following is a list of a few other meteorite related lists to which I have been subscribed for a few years. Please Note: At one time, these, too, were NEW LISTS. Let's do some one-on-one comparisons: * eBay Meteorites http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eBayMeteorites/ This group is for eBay Meteorite auction sales and announcements. Authentic meteorites and related items only, and International Meteorite Collectors Association membership preferred. I believe this is the list that Steve Shoner (I could be wrong about that) graciously established due to the outrage expressed by some MetCentral List members who objected to the Sale Announcement ads being posted on the MetCentral List. After voluminous discussion on the MetCentral List it was vaguely agreed that all sales ads would be prefaced with the notice AD in the subject line. For the most part this has has been a reasonably well followed rule, or agreement, - except for the usual offenders. I'll bet that most of you who aren't members of the eBay Meteorites list would be shocked at whom some of the biggest users and supporters of this list have been. Members: 59 / Created: Oct.14th, 2003 / Messages posted: Oct 14th - Dec 31st 2003 = 141 Posts for the entire year of 2004 = 96. (33 for June thru Dec 2004.) Although it was an excellent idea, the support for the venture appears to be waning. Personal Note: I've made the large majority of my meteorite purchases (both eBay and otherwise) from the ads that have been posted to the MetCentral List. NOT A 'GENERAL' METEORITE RELATED DISCUSSION GROUP. * Meteorite Sales http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteorite_sale/ Mailing list for posting wants/sales/trades of meteorites or other objects of interest to the meteorite collector. Members: 245 / Created: Apr 30th, 1998 / Aver. yearly postings- '99-'04 = 208. [Sorta goofy rules for sellers using this list.] * meteoritecollector http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoritecollector/ The Michael Cottingham Collection Of Meteorites. The purpose of this list is to provide meteorite sales, news, meteorite hunting and collecting information. Members: 96 / Created: Jun 21st, 2000 / Aver. yearly postings- '00-'04 = 32.25 * MeteoriteCollectors http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeteoriteCollectors/ Meteorite collectors discuss meteorites and collecting. This group is open to EVERYONE interested in meteorites. Dealers are welcome to post sales. Members: 154 / Created: Apr 26th, 2000 / Aver. yearly postings- '01-'04 = 405 * Meteorite World http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteoriteworld/ Would you like look for meteorites, sell your meteorites collection, or discuss with other meteorite researchers? Please Join the Meteorite World club. Here, there are the people enthusiastic in the meteorites like you. Members: 53 / Created: Jul 24, 1999 / Aver. yearly postings- '00 -'04 = 30.8 * Meteoritical Bulletin http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeteoriticalBulletin/ This group will be used to announce actions taken by the Meteorite Nomenclature Committee of the Meteoritical Society. Items posted here will include descriptions of newly found or fallen meteorites and new meteorite classifications. Information will be posted as soon as possible following approval by the Committee. Members: 638 / Created: May 28th, 2000 / TOTAL postings- years '01 -'04 = 21 NOT A 'GENERAL' METEORITE RELATED DISCUSSION GROUP. *meteortrade http://groups.yahoo.com/group/meteortrade/ This is a forum for collectors, dealers, and anyone who are interested in the hobby of collecting meteorites. You may post meteorites that you have for sale or for trade. Members: 44 / Created: Feb 24th, 1999 / Aver. yearly postings- '99 -'04 = 49.33 Note: Since I included Michael Cottingham's group lists above- it's only fair to include Matt Morgan's site here. *milehighmeteorites http://groups.yahoo.com/group/milehighmeteorites/ This is a sales message only site, unlike most of the above sites. Only the moderator may post messages. * The Meteorite Express http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themeteoriteexpress/ Trying to find out if that rock is a meteorite? Find a great meteorite deal? See a big rip-off on a meteorite somewhere. Post your message
Re: [meteorite-list] noisy
Dave Harris wrote: ..the list is getting too noisy again, for the umpteenth time. may be it's me - everytime I rejoin the list, within days it kicks off again dave Hm. Now that the cause for the noise problem on the list has been isolated we can begin working on a permanent fix. Thanks for the insight, Dave. Jerry __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] who's going to tucson?
Steve, I, too, have reservations. But I'm going anyway. Jerry Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.Just wondering who will be coming to tucson next year?I booked my flight last night for 5 days, so it will be good to see everyone again and new people as well.It is nice to be well known.Lets hear who's coming. steve arnold, chicago = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite finds per state? (In Area Per MeteoriteFound)
Mark Bostick wrote: ...and I am sure I am not the only one that would like to see a large scale pairing project done on west Texas meteorites. Gosh Mark, I would never pick on your collection like that. But, like you, I've had my suspicions about a few of the closely related west Texas meteorites. I've wondered just how accurate some of the lab results/ analyses have been when it comes to the very minor differences in petrology found in some of the geographically close (as well as petrographically close) finds here in this vast wonderland known as west Texas. No, let me restate that... I'm not really questioning the accuracy of the results of different labs, but since each lab has its own unique set of equipment (ie. microprobe, chromatograph, cross light polararizers, etc., -well, I'm beginning to show my ignorance here since I'm not at all sure what equipment a typical 'meteorite lab' would have and I barely have an inkling of how it works and to what end) then it would seem (to an under-educated desert bumpkin such as myself) that there is probably a mixture of different brands, ages, and types of gear in those diverse labs. And, unless I miss my guess, each of those different pieces of equipment has its own method and criteria for calibration. To me, it just seems logical that there would be a slight built-in skewing and difference of the petrological results that any particular lab would report for any given meteorite in comparison to the results that a different lab might report on exactly the same piece of a specimen being tested. I hope you can devise some sense of what I'm trying to say from the above mess. Which brings to mind an idea for the Tucson Show. I would love to be wandering down the aisles and rows there and stumble upon an exhibit titled Typical Meteorite Lab (and How It Works.) They would have to drive me off with a stick at closing time. But back to my supposition... did I make a fair assumption concerning different brands or ages of the various pieces of testing equipment giving minute differences in results? Best Regards and Seasons Greetings, Jerry West Texas Prowler MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello Rob and list, Rob noted, By next year's Bulletin, California's published total will probably exceed that of Kansas. That is of course not accounting for paired finds. New Mexico really doesn't have over 200 meteorites either, and I am sure I am not the only one that would like to see a large scale pairing project done on west Texas meteorites. Lets number every Brenham and then talk numbers...:-) Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Which one came closest?
How many people live in the same town that has a meteorite named after it? Or...perhaps even rarer and maybe even more interesting- how many people live in a town that was named after a meteorite that was found or fell thereabouts? Jerry ;-) David Freeman wrote: Dear Anne, List; Well I think that the meteorite that has been found closest to my backyard is the Rock Springs, that same name is the town that I live in! How many people live in the same town that has a meteorite named after it? Dave F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The June 3rd sighting has not panned out
Well Adam, you've certainly got my full sympathy about the situation. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, can be more disgusting or discouraging than to keep turning up a bunch of dudes when you're out trolling for dudettes. Jerry Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List, I am finished following up leads generated by the June 3rd, bolide sighting. I will never advertise again to check out suspected meteorites. I have driven all over the state investigating suspected meteorites and have fielded well over 200 phone calls without a single solid lead. Even the most promising leads turned out to be dudes. Some things I learned are: No matter what you say, once somebody's got it in their head that they have a meteorite you can not tell them differently. If you tell them their suspected meteorite is terrestrial they may state that it is a new type never seen before just like the ones they read about on the internet. If you tell them that their stone is not a meteorite and not worth $35,000, or whatever amount they need to clear their debt, they think you are trying to hoodwink them out of it even though no offers were extended. I think after this last email I will go back to searching for meteorites myself. This passage was pulled from an email I received after telling the author he did not have a meteorite. ** How can you say it is not a meteorite?You were not there where I was when I saw and heard this thing hit the ground at more than max mach speed. it took me days to get up the nervs to dig it out and I do not care what you say because its mine not yours get it. If you found it it would be a meteorite right but since I found it it is not.Come on lets be fair.I and my friends know you want it thats why you tell me it is not what I know it is.Even if you paid me $15000 for it I would not sell it to you. I already will have somebody who respects it look at it so you can forget about it. *** It is almost scary dealing with people like this. All the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NPA 11-12-1922 Odessa Meteorite Found Near Blowout
Hi Mark, As usual, I have enjoyed all of your postings, but this one in particular is special to me, so I would like to avail myself of your offer for the pdf file of it. I was born in Mexia, a small town of around 4,500 (at the time) in 1942. Mexia is located about 34 miles SE of Waco (considered the eastern part of central Texas.) I used to hang around the old newspaper office and printing plant when I was a kid there. I have many fond memories of the place. I moved with my family to Odessa in 1951, at the age of 9. Odessa is about 350 miles west of Mexia. Odessa is at a much higher altitude than Mexia and is within the northeastern boundary of the Chihuahuan Desert. This area is considered semi arid. I found my first piece of the Odessa meteorite at the crater in 1955, thanks to a side trip made by a mentor of mine at the time. That was V.C Wiggins, a former mayor of Odessa back in the '30s. He was a rockhound of wide renown in the area and I was a Pebble Puppy member of the West Texas Gems and Minerals Society. Mr. Wiggin's used to keep a Mason jar filled with small fragments of the Odessa meteorite to give to school kids who would drop by his rock shop. To be given one of the fragments was an honor, but required that the kid(s) stand still for the 10 to 15 minute lecture on the history and geology of the crater. Mr. Wiggin's was danged proud of that depression. We basically were on our way to the Big Bend area of Texas for a day of agate hunting, but Mr. Wiggins had promised to take me to the crater for some time, so he decided to go ahead and do it on this trip. It was cold, misting rain, a little foggy, and just breaking daylight when I got my first look at the crater. It was an almost mystical experience that I can still recall in the minutest detail. It wasn't until many years later that I learned that I must have stepped in many of the long ago, now time removed footprints of Nininger and Barringer. The crater, back then, was just a very large pit at the end of a very rough country road beside a fence line and then a short walk down a cow trail. Many improvements have taken place over the years. The crater area today is vastly improved over what it was just a decade ago. Now there is a really nice, modern, brick, air conditioned Museum and Visitors Center on the NE edge of the crater rim with paved paths through the crater, complete with well written explanations on signs posted along the trails about various aspects of the meteorite and the crater. The museum houses a really good collection of museum quality meteorite specimens from around the world. And, there's a few picnic tables and barbeque pits under a very large awning at the crater in case you want to sizzle some steaks, fajitas, or rattlesnake fillets (if you're lucky enough to catch one) while you're there. You really don't even have to remember to bring charcoal briquettes to the party. We have hundreds of thousands of square miles around here that is only good for growing mesquite, which is totally worthless except for being the very best barbequing wood in the world. And, IT'S FREE. There is now an exit ramp off of Interstate 20 that leads directly to the new paved road to the crater and Visitors Center. A far cry from the first time I went. In fact, Interstate highways were still decades away back then. The road is now fenced on both sides to keep the cows and pumpjacks off of it. There's still a couple of old cattle guards to thumpity-thumpity over, though. But best of all- IT'S FREE! That's right, there's absolutely no charge, unlike that other notorious crater in the wilds of Arizona. However, there is a pickle jar on the counter in the Visitor's Center labeled DONATIONS. So, anyone finding themselves in the vicinity of this little bitty place known as West Texas, please make an effort to stop by the crater. It's (now) well worth the effort and a thing the entire family can enjoy. So, Mark, I guess you can see how coincidental this particular posting of yours seems to me. The article being from a very small town newspaper- rather than Dallas, Houston, Austin, or some other Texas city; and then it's about something that would become important to me in my new hometown, Odessa. So if you would please, Mark, I would love to have a copy of the pdf scan of the original story. Many thanks, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas PS... 1. Yes. I still have that piece of the Odessa Meteorite that I kicked up and picked up in 1955. I've never thrown anything away. I really should live in a very large warehouse. Shoot, I've still got all the banded agate I brought back from that same trip in a nail keg somewhere. 2. No. I'm not a member of the Odessa Chamber of Commerce. In fact, I'm not even a big fan of west Texas. 3. And, if you bring the family, give me a call when you come through to see the crater. I have a Mason jar with some Odessa fragments in it for the kids, if they can stand to listen to the 10 to 15 minute
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] nwa 176 - or: Playing dead will NOT work
Bernhard, Welcome to the Wide Wacky World of Steve (Captain Chicago) Arnold and his goofy meteorite antics. If you will continue emailing him requesting either a clarification of one of his dippy sales offers, or (as in your case) for him to comply with the assumed commitment for him to actually send to you everything that was bought - then- eventually you can expect an email from him that will ask Why are you picking on me? And that, my friend, will be the last you are likely to hear from him. Sorry you had to learn about the true character of good ole Steve the hard way. Jerry Bernhard Rems wrote: Hi Steve, sorry that I have to choose this way to contact you, but you are ignoring all my emails and play dead. Steve, when I buy two items from you and you just send me one, I get a little bit disturbed. When I tell you that one is missing and you tell me you sent both, although my girl friend has seen me unpacking your mail and finding just one piece, I get more disturbed. But when you then ignore all my emails that ask you to resolve that matter, I get angry. And I am very angry now. It's not about the loss of $20 for me. It's about lack of character, betrayal and a CONTINUED story of playing foul. May I remind you of the tricks you played with your sale lately? When you offered bigger and bigger discounts, but at the same time raised base prices so the items became more expensive in reality? You ducked and covered when I found out your malpractice. You can't duck and cover now. Steve, either send me the missing NWA 067, refund my money or lose one of your few remaining friends. It's up to you. Choose wisely. Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! Gesendet: Freitag, 01. Oktober 2004 00:44 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [meteorite-list] nwa 176 Hi list.Does anyone have any NWA 176 for sale?Please let me know. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Matteo...And the letter from The Wiz
Hi Martin, You're absolutely right. Your nomination of Steve (CAPTAIN CHICAGO) Arnold is nothing short of brilliant especially since Steve has the new camera. Together these two gentlemen could saunter forth in the 37 foot motor home complete with a washer and dryer, solving the mysteries of the Universe in short order. (Of course, Steve Captain Chicago would need to learn how to operate that camera first.) The gentleman who wrote the letter also mentioned that he was in need of someone who could handle the documentation of the fantastic discoveries. Since Captain Chicago is- u... somewhat challenged in the verbiage department, it might be better to hand those duties over to someone with a flair for language. Perhaps Matteo er- I mean Mauro, could be enlisted to join the team to handle the writing chores for the group. What a super team that would make. No scientific or historical mystery could long stand against such a overwhelming force. NASA (and the science community in general) would be all aquiver and atitter at the prospect of having such a powerful resource available to solve for them all those nagging, nitty-gritty questions, such as proof of life throughout the universe, the big bang, time travel through wormholes (in a 37 foot motor home complete with a washer and dryer), etc. It would seem that in keeping with the overall theme that seems to be developing here, that the 37 foot motor home complete with a washer and dryer, would need a complete makeover. Maybe converting it into something along the lines of a horizontal, fat, shiny black rocket ship would be the ticket. The team would need to design and wear some flashy, tight fitting, lycra uniforms replete with capes, perhaps something along the lines of Batman and Robin, Superman, or UnderDog (my personal favorite). But then, since they will be an investigative team using their massive intellectual capacities, maybe a somewhat more staid costume might be in order- something reminiscent of Sherlock Holmes, in a conservative brown plaid, replete with the trademark hat, pipe, and cape, of course. Yes, that would probably be better. The news of their discoveries and their (probably) astounding answers to the riddles of the universe should be reported in the the most prestigious science journals of our time. After a quick review of those available, I can only conclude that even the best of those would be found lacking and therefore it is my considered opinion that the PROUD TOM website must be brought back in order to properly share the news of the team's discoveries with the world. But the NAME for the team would be of utmost importance. It must reflect not only the undisputed preeminence of the individuals comprising the team, but must also proclaim the promise and importance of the team's future work of providing milestones millstones in science. Boy, now that's a hard one. I've never been too good at naming things, but I'll take a shot... The Titillating Triumverate. Naw, doesn't really roll off the tongue, does it? The Astounding Trio. No, not much there either. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Oops. That one's already been used. Team Universe. Does have sort of an all-encompassing smell to it, eh what? Well, at any rate, I, for one, am certainly holding my breath and looking forward to the news of fantastic doings by the Super Team. Martin, thanks for sharing the letter from the unnamed gentleman with the dream, all the answers, the 37 foot motor home complete with a washer and dryer, and the pick up truck load of meteorites. The man has it all! Shoot, with his luck I'll bet his wife owns a liquor store and a nice bass boat. Regards, Jerry ... Martin Altmann wrote: Hi, I think this enthusiast needs some help too. He's from Illinois, so perhaps Steve Chicago may arrange a meeting at Jimmy Buffet. Cheers, Martin This letter was sent to others for a different reason but! you METEORITE lovers should be interested in knowing that I can show you if there is life on planets from any meteorites, I happen to have quite a pick up truck load of meteorites. I can tell you if life was ever on a planet as well as what that life looked like if any, from any meteorite. I have discovered many things do not let yourself down, you should look into my claims. Meteorites are nothing compared to the rest of the story. I have some discoveries that will rock the world and need the help of someone with your talents. I have been doing my own private research for many years that has led to the biggest news the world could hear to date. I am not good at publishing or documenting as well as photographing my discoveries that I need to share with the world. This will be the best news or story you could ever be a part of. I wish to meet with someone who could help me launch these
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush chart to see how he is doing
Hey Michael, I, too, personally have an intense and passionate interest in how this election goes. I've also wanted to post political statements to the people on the list, but I bit the bullet and Nope. Totally inappropriate. I'll talk politics with anyone who wants to discuss politics. but this METEORITE CENTRAL LIST ain't the place to do it. I'll bet there's thousands of politically oriented newsgroups, Yahoo groups, and blogger sites out there that would love to hear your opinions, so PLEASE go protest somewhere else. Sincerely, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas (only 20 west Texas miles from Midland) PS... I would have said the same thing even if you were for George W. Michael Farmer wrote: http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm Read this and then tell me if Curious George has helped the country or it's people. Perhaps this is why the meteorite business is slow for the last two years. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Good article on latest 'near miss' by small asteroid...
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite givaway, #11
O NOO! Not another dreaded meteorite BLOB! And a blind one at that. Of course it will not consume your other meteorites- these things only eat warm, screaming people. Has it started growing and glowing yet? Will Mayor Daley call for an evacuation of Chicago? RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN! Slick idea, though, getting someone else to pay the postage to rid Chicago of the dreaded menace. You shoulda been a politician. Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hello world.I have another meteorite to givaway.It is virtually a OLIVINE BLOB OF A METEORITE.It is a 56 gram thick slice of BRAHIN.It has very little metal to it, and it will not see my collection at all.I am really disappointed by it.It hardly cost me anything.$4.00 PRIORITY SHIPPING USA,$5.00 WORLDWIDE,will get this piece.IT IS FREE! Who wants it??? steve arnold, chicago,usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TEST - Delete
AND...I suppose- had this been an actual alert- we would have been advised to tune to the NASCAR (National Aeronautics and Science Consortium for Astronomical Reconnaissance) channel on our radios for GPS coordinates of the new fall. Right? minador wrote: This is a test of the Meteorite Emergency Broadcast System This is only a test. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger - Perry Letters Intermission 3
Hi Mark, I'd like to take this opportunity to send some praise your way. I have very much enjoyed your postings of the meteorite related newspaper articles as well as the Nininger/Perry letters. I feel certain that this requires considerable time and effort on your part. I salute your dedication to this work as it adds additional flavor and knowledge to the list archives. I have, in the past, thanked others on the list that have also been especially giving of their time and resources for the enjoyment and edification of the members of our meteorite community, such as Mr. Art Jones, Mr. Ron Baalke, Mr. Steve Shoner, and others whose contributions have gone above and beyond. And so, somewhat belatedly, do I thank you as well. However...and consider this as being a bit 'tongue in cheek', I cannot get past this one sentence in your last letter without making the following comment. He (Nininger) played a big role in the early days of meteoritics and perhaps with my small efforts he will be remembered. Mark, it is good that you recognize a man whose stature in the history of meteoritics is unique and remarkable. There can never be another like him as regards his particular accomplishments. /*However*/, I feel that Mr. H. H. Nininger will be remembered by many in our [as well as future] generations for his outstanding achievements and colorful history, so please don't take yourself so seriously as to believe that the entire burden of ensuring his remembrance falls upon your shoulders alone. But, your focus on Prof. Nininger in the 'letters' series will most assuredly pique the curiosity and interest of those new to this madness of meteoritics. They will then undoubtedly find his books if they stay with this hobby/business/ obsession for a while. Shortly after my own interest was revived a few years back, the first book I read was _Find A Falling Star_, H.H. Nininger. That truly set the hook, and many books and meteorites later I still have an insatiable desire for more, more, more. Thanks again, Mark. Best regards, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas PS...I would definitely enjoy reading more of the Nininger letters. Mark Bostick wrote: Hello List, The Nininger - Perry letters wind down in the next few letters. I am not sure why the sudden stop. Perry dies in 1957, so it might be possible he gets sick. The man apparently had a great many things going, so who knows? He played a big role in the early days of meteoritics and perhaps with my small efforts he will be remembered. As I mentioned before, it took a dozen or so Perry's for Nininger to do the things he did. Each one of these unspoken people played key roles in getting us to where we are now, So I now have to decide, should I post more Nininger letters, or return posting old newspapers. I think I will continue with more Nininger letters in hopes that we might gain a little more insight into the man. Feel free to e-mail me privately which you would more prefer I put my extra time towards. Sharing Nininger letters, or old meteorite newspaper articles. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger - Perry Letters Intermission 3
Hi Mark, After a slow and careful re-read of your letter, it's now obvious to me that you were indeed referring to the esteemed, talented, generous, and underappreciated Mr. Stuart H. Perry (1874-1957.) My apologies for my incorrect assumption. So I guess- Nevermind and Carry On. Thanks once more for your efforts. Jerry PS...I promise to read much more carefully in the future. Mark Bostick wrote: Hello Jerry, Thanks for your comments. You will note I was talking about Stuart Perry, on the perhaps he will be remembered line. Perry, I had never heard any of us mention before I started posting this series of letters. If we ignored that Perry had what most would consider today a large meteorite collection (something of a feat in its day), his donations of money and meteorites to the Smithsonian, the ASU donation to Nininger for field work and his free expert advice and microphotographs to Nininger and others...that would still leave to Perry his efforts to reclassify a good share of all the iron meteorites in the Smithsonian collection, and a large pile of published papers. Mark www.meteoritearticles.com http://www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Las Vegas
Hi Tom (Peregrineflinger, etc.), Good to see you back on the list. Glad you found work. Hi, I am going to be working in Vegas and was wondering if anyone from there can give me info on hunting in the area? Just wander into the desert...dp into the desert. Look down. Find meteorite. Jerry PS... Take water. Beware of indians. PPS... Jerry's Tips: first one free, $5.00 each thereafter. Tom aka James Knudson wrote: Hi, I am going to be working in Vegas and was wondering if anyone from there can give me info on hunting in the area? Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm I'm living so far beyond my income that we may almost be said to be living apart. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] GOLD and DIAMOND Meteorites!!!
Met Cent Folks, Well, ya'll got my imagination a'churnin' again. Whatta Whopper of a Concept. And who's to say that it couldn't happen. It's really just a matter of scale and chance. Long odds, granted, but we have already found stranger surprises in this old universe. I can almost smell the headlines now... REUTERS: 05.06.04, 06:30 AM ET Scientists Using Hubble Telescope Take Pictures of Humongous Collision of Giant Diamond Asteroid and Huge Gold Nugget Asteroid... Scientists at NASA this morning released details of what is believed to be the first observed collision between asteroids composed of a precious metal and a gemstone. An asteroid weighing approximately 210 tons, composed almost entirely of 24 karat gold, and traveling in an long elliptical orbit around Neptune, was photographed as it collided with another asteroid that is thought to have entered our solar system coming from somewhere in the vicinity of the Andromeda Galaxy. It has now been confirmed that the composition of the second asteroid was actually just one monolithic piece of crystallized carbon, otherwise known as 'diamond'. Its weight has been estimated to have been approximately 140 metric tons before impact. The scientists have estimated that the force of the impact has shattered and crumbled the large diamond asteroid into billions of pieces ranging in size from mere microns weighing only milligrams, to pieces that weigh perhaps 10 pounds or more. Various instruments have now analysized the quality of the diamond to be blue/white with almost no inclusions. The effect of the forces generated by the collision on the gold asteroid was to melt the entire asteroid into a liquid state. The pieces of diamond were almost immediately encapsulated into a molten golden matrix which soon cooled in the frigidity of space. One noted scientist at NASA explained that the resulting conglomeration of pieces from the two merged asteroids has resulted in what is known as impact melt breccia. He further described the millions of pieces as being analogous to a rare type of meteorite known here on earth as pallasites. One senior scientist involved in the Hubble project has calculated the expected trajectory of the jewelry cloud- as it has been referred to by the 'girls of NASA'. According to his calculations, the expected orbit will intersect earth's orbit every three years and should produce some spectacular fireworks in our night skies for approximately five nights during each of the events. Due to the angle at which the intersection with the cloud will occur, it is expected that many of the meteors will survive their fiery plummet through our atmosphere. A related news story three years later... L.A. Times: May 8, 20077:21 AM Pacific Stars Are Seen Shining at Night In what can only be described as a Stars Chasing Pieces of Stars scenario, Elizabeth Taylor and Zsa Zsa Gabor were seen leading throngs of Hollywood luminaries and celebrities through the Hollywood Hills throughout the night. With a flashlight in one hand and a metal detector in the other, the stars were intent on finding one of the many thousands of gold encased diamonds that were seen to be falling all over our planet for the last several nights. The spectacular meteor shower is expected to last for two more nights and will not be seen again for three more years. A dealer in Italy was quoted as saying, Bah. Prices in ruin again. Enough bad they were already. Never good again. Damn diamond fairies steal the smiles from the struck ones that have gold. BAH. BAH. All ya'll have a fine Sunday evening, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What do you think of that?
Bernhard Rendelius Rems wrote: http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2219315732category=3239 Kind regards, *Bernhard /Rendelius/ Rems* Well, Bernhard, I had the same initial reaction to the pictures that Dave F. did; it sure looked like some Sikhote Alin schrapnel. But aside from that, judging from their eBay ad text description, it appears that there are none of the standard descriptors nor expected phrases present in the ad that would lend credibility to their claim of having found a meteorite, with one exception which I will expand on below. Some descriptors and/or phrases that should be present in an ad that would help ensure authenticity are: * ... burned down the barn, the store, the outhouse, etc. * ... frightened- Mama, the horse, the goat, the pig, etc. * ... killed the cow, the dog, the mailman, etc. * ... too hot to touch for three days. * ... set the field, the woods, Charlie, etc., on fire. * ... glowed real bright green, red, blue, etc., all night. * ... melted the shovel, pick, car, cat, etc. * ... picked that little sucker up out of the bottom of the ten foot deep crater that it made. There are, of course, any number of other descriptor/phrases that lend virtually infallible authenticity to what would otherwise be 'questionable meteorites'. But the ones above will give a good start to novices unfamiliar with what to look for in the eBay ads. The one item in the eBay ad description that had a ring of truth to it was the mention that it was found only twenty minutes after falling. I can easily imagine the following scenario (you'll have to excuse me for not illustrating this with people from the towns of Palencia and Len in Spain; I have to go with what I'm familiar with): Zeb and Luke are rocking on the front porch of their shack high in the Ozark mountains, in the cool of the evening, imbibing their nightly refreshment. NOTE: Setting not important- same thing can and does happen anywhere in the world. ZEB: Looky thar, Luke, a shootin' star! LUKE: Yep. Shore nuff, Zeb, 'nother one o' them rascals. ZEB: Looks like it landed jes' over that hill yonder. Let's go git that sucker. LUKE: Alrighty. I'll jes' grab the jug to take along. Nice night fer a stroll ennyhow Down the road and behind the hill twenty minutes later. ZEB: Yep. Thar she lies, Luke. Rat thar in the smack dab middle o' the trail. LUKE: Wal, whatcha wanna do with this one, Zeb? ZEB: Wal, I reckin we can do what we done with all them others, Luke. Let's take 'er back to the shack, take some o' them deegital pichers of it and git the little sucker listed on eBay as quick as we can. LUKE: Sounds like a plan to me, Zeb. Can always use that extree money these thangs bring in. Need 'nother snort? ZEB: Yup. [With apologies to Arkansas Steve Arnold and other Southerners likely to take offense.] West Texas Jerry ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] marines....OT
Exceedingly well said, Paul, and Doug, I was in the process of writing a response to Bernhard's myopically opinionated letter when your responses were posted. You've said everything that I wanted to say and then some. And you said it much better. I personally know quite a few people who are currently serving in the various branches of the U.S. Armed Forces. I heartily agree with your observation that the reasons for people serving in the military can be as diverse as the people themselves. Things have changed considerably since the days when I served. Back then a big reason for a lot of the people being in the service was conscription (the dreaded draft, or threat therof). The 'all volunteer' concept that we currently operate under is probably better, as long as sufficient numbers can be enticed to join. I will say though, in retrospect, that the act of pulling a lot of us young heathens off the streets and out of colleges where we were perpetually flunking everything (mostly due to heavy-duty partying) was most certainly a life changing event for the majority of us. It makes much better men and women of those who don't 'flunk out' of the military (and that used to be a really hard thing to do- the standards are set much higher nowadays). I think one of the causative factors for the moral compass of the nation generally going south was the draft being discontinued. The military sure has a great way of shaping up boneheads. Thank you both, Paul and Doug, for your resounding defense of our nation's military personnel. They are a special breed. A veteran of the old wars (but still ready to go again, perhaps a tad slower next time), West Texas Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good day Folks, In response to a few of the posts to this thread, and to perhaps address some possible misunderstandings, I feel compelled respond. Based on my own experiences, I can say without equivocation, or mental reservation, that the reasons men and women join the United States Armed Services are as varied as those individuals themselves. While certainly there are underprivileged members of the armed services, and that may have been _a_ reason for their enlistment, it is certainly not a socioeconomic trait shared by all service members. Many service members are drawn to duty by feelings of obligation to their country and their extended families, to educational opportunities both in and after service as well as the opportunity to learn more about themselves and their fellow brothers and sisters around the globe. Military service, at least in the US, is not a panacea for a depressed socioeconomic standing. Military life is often fraught with sacrifice, both personal and financial. There is opportunity, true. Concomitantly, there is risk. Risk of injury or death in times of conflict, risk of physical separation from family and loved ones and risk of being placed in a position where duty conflicts with personal feelings regarding what is right and wrong. I believe that the cause of the USA is a fluid thing. One which swings like a pendulum; often depending on the politics of the dayboth within and without the US. The term freedom is often bantered about as the cause for the US military being in existence. But freedom means different things to different people and depends on their mind set. Freedom to a dictator may represent the ability to run their country, and to treat their people as they see fit.a viewpoint diametrically opposed by others in the world who see it more as an individual right. A right to be safe in one's person, one's opinions and one's beliefs. As long as the inhabitants of our planet have disparate causes to champion there will continue to be conflict. Both political and physical. If we can agree that glorification of members of the military is not the same as glorification of the political motives of the country they serve, then I believe it is appropriate to glorify them. We can recognize those military members for the personal sacrifices they are making; not necessarily for the cause they are ultimately serving. Best Regards, Paul Martyn Savannah, Georgia In a message dated 1/7/2004 9:54:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: With all due respect for the people serving in the US army: Most of them, I believe, do not join the marines because they want to sacrifice their life for the cause of the USA (what's it anyway?), but because it's about the only chance for the underprivileged to get something like social security, education and medical care. There's no need to glorify their service, as little as there is need to ridicule it. Just my 2c _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL
Re: [meteorite-list] A Warning
Dear Met Cent List Folks, I'm certainly not claiming to be a fortune teller, but it /was/ obvious, at least to me, what would trigger the next Mount Matteo eruption. When he declared that he was quitting our game, taking his ball, and starting his own game (list) across the pond over yonder, that it could only be a short time before any number of things could, or would, happen. As it has now developed, we stand unjustly accused of sending our spies into the enemy camp (his) for purposes including espionage, sabotage, and all other manner of evil doing, even to the ultimate sin of Proud Tomming him again. Of course, these charges are blatantly false because everyone on the Met Cent list was quietly celebrating his absence and not even mentioning his name (for the most part) out of fear of reviving the monster. Well, it's done been did. I've attempted to decode his latest transmission using a number of different classical encryption algorithms, including the Caesar Cipher, with no success whatsoever. The results are as undecipherable and meaningless as the original message. I have found, however, the last line of his tirade to be the most telling. It actually wasn't so much encrypted as the first part of his message, but more in need of some industrial strength translation techniques. So, if you will bear with me, I'll attempt to sort out what was probably the essence of his lastest broadside. Matteo ranted: A time for all, you did the cabbages yours ( italian expression ) Starting with the first phrase: A time for all, ... This, it turns out, is fairly close to meaning what it says: i.e., that everyone will, at one time or another, have the opportunity to accomplish the specified act. I think Matteo may have been paraphasing the famous statement from the Bible, from the book of Ecclesiastes: To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. Perhaps the Nuns in Matteo's group had a positive influence on Matteo in his selection of the biblical reference that he used. You're doing a good job on a hard case, girls. And the next portion being: ...you did the... This is a reemphasis on the first part meaning: 'you have done' or (transliterally abominated) 'you will have done' (at some future point in time.) It was the cabbages part that really threw me. I had to do quite a bit of digging into ancient Roman history and translated Latin before this became clear. It turns out that in early Roman times, bolides, fireballs, or actually- any meteoroid in transit through the earth's atmosphere, was termed, or spoken of, as a 'heavenly vegetable', or to be more specific- a cabbage. Not a lot of people know this. The following Latin statement from Roman antiquity makes it abundantly clear: Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum. That leaves only the final word, ...yours... which wasn't hard to figure at all. It is a contraction of the modern day phrase: up yours! It is used reflexively as a moderator for the noun cabbages. And so, I offer to you the completed translation (actual meaning) of Matteo's (ain't gonna write no more this list) last statement: TAKE THIS METEORITE (probably a ragged Pultusk) AND SHOVE IT! No thanks necessary, West Texas Jerry Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt. (When catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults.) M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: I wanted to inform to the infiltrator in my group that to stop to pass the messages post in my group to varied members of this list, besides to the idiot that puts the images of its fellow idiotic proud tom in the group between little I will know who is seen that I have asked to Yahoo of to supply myself all of the data of who have put the images. A time for all, you did the cabbages yours ( italian expression ) Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the 2nd person to sell orrissa
there one more again, Matteo, jsut more boken promisories. these idiocies must quit no more again boken smiles or silly fairies. take to heed or I reput you again SPAM box. prices are already boken more against orissa. I take note and count pieces. you and many other have boken with this idiocies --- David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He said that last week, and the week before! DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo writes: from today in then I will not write never more in this list ...and they all __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Laying Proud Tom to Rest...
Esteemed and Distinguished Members (and the few soreheads), The latest incarnation of the Proud Tom website is now lying in state at: http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html The Proud Tom website flashed across our monitors like a brilliant fireball and now is gone except for the 'Holiday Wishes' message now remaining. Some on the list will miss it; others will be jubilant that it is gone. But as with all things, even Chixulub and especially Nantan, nothing lasts forever (whatever forever is.) As the wise man said, This, too, shall come to pass. I've always presumed that prophecy to include things that are good, bad, mediocre, useful, useless, valuable, worthless, ugly, or beautiful; i.e., ALL things. It is my humble opinion that one of the qualities that sets homo sapiens apart so distinctly from other species is that we are all so blasted subjectively opinionated, and usually are able to form an opinion about a subject with little or no personal life experience on our part from which to draw a valid conclusion. But, it's allowed. Sometimes I think there ought to be a law against it. Truthfully though, I wouldn't have it any other way. Beauty, and conversely- ugliness, are truly in the eye of the beholder. It is also my observation that this flaw in the psyche of mankind cuts across all boundaries: sexual, racial, ethnic, national, ad infinitum. I sure don't want to be accused of leaving anybody out of the mix. And so it is. Please allow me this opportunity to wish all of the 'list folks' in America a bountiful Thanksgiving season. And to all of the folks in the rest of the world may I wish upon you at least the spirit and the blessings of the American tradition of Thanksgiving. Thanks for listening, and extra thanks to Art for the forum, Jerry PS... The treatment for rusty Nantans as prescribed in the ASK TOM column wears off rapidly and in a very painful manner. My pile of Nantan rust looks a whole lot worse this morning than it did during the treatment. PPS... Concerning the Proud Tom site, as Swartzenegger has been heard to say, I'll be baack. Also please note: I, personally, have had no in no involvement in the Proud Tom website except for my rattling commentary. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Ku Kus who?
At this point I think all that have participated in the Proud Tom farce are eligible to join the Cuckoo's (Ku Kus) Klan. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Ku Kus Klan??? Please, no more,, my sides are still hurting from the Proud Tom site. (where's my oxygen tank?) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Ku Kus who?
Michael,
I sincerely doubt that Matteo had anything to do with the Proud Tom site
being removed. I'm relatively sure that its creator must have decided to
remove it, or didn't pay the webspace rental bill. {8O
Howsomever, anyone in hurtful need of seeing those classic webpages
again need not despair as I have collected all three pages in glorious color
and have assembled the collection on CDs. For a mere $9.99 + postage
those pages can live forever in your library of Web Classics.
Whoa...whoa... Michael, stuff that steam back in your ears...I'm just
kidding!!!
If you would like them, write me off list and I'll email them to you.
Assuming that I'll need the kind permission of the website's creator in
order
to do that, if he (or she) would please get in touch with me, we can
discuss
royalty arrangements. Please bear in mind that I'm rally cheap.
Jerry
Michael L Blood wrote:
on 11/15/03 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the Ku Kus Klan??? Please, no more,, my sides are still hurting
from the Proud Tom site. (where's my oxygen tank?)
---
Say wha?
I am heartbroken that Proud Tom's web page is down.
Matteo, you bragged you could do this. Did you shut it down?
RSVP to list, please.
Michael
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[meteorite-list] Proud Tom Update...
To the Detractors, Contractors, and Protractors of the Proud Tom brouhaha,
Well, here I find myself breaking one of my own aluminumclad, 'chiseled
in mush' rules,
but then there's always a handy exception for doing so. I try to never,
if ever, comment
more than once on any off-topic subject. Sort of like--- take my best
shot and run like
blue blazes...but here goes...
The controversial Proud Tom website appears to be evolving, overnight-
much like a
rusty Nantan.
Speaking of rusty Nantans, that subject and its solution are covered in
the new ASK
TOM column in today's edition of the Proud Tom website. I am currently
trying
the method that was proposed and am gradually seeing some impressive
results on
my own pile of Nantan rust. I'm going to try the same treatment on some
of my other
less than incredible specimens in my meteorite and meteorwrong piles.
I forecast a brilliant future for the ASK TOM column. It's
interesting, newsy, and
topical. The very attributes that so many wish the list could return
to. {; ]
As for the etiquette of the Proud Tom page... questionable? Perhaps. But
all in all-
no great harm, no great foul. I have the impression that all of the
targets took the
literary pokes with grace and humility, a tribute to their intelligence
and begrudging
sense of humor (with the possible exceptions of Mr. Cheatinsonufabytch
and Ahmed's
half-brother Achmed, who was last heard from in the desert declaring a
jihad.)
And as Steve (Chicago) Arnold has been heard to say many times...This
is absolutely
the last time I'll write about this!
With the proverbial 'grain of salt',
Jerry Wallace
Proud Tom Lives... http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot?
RE: http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html Met Central Folks, When I first read the page I thought, Wow! Another fine example of a happy meteorite collector wanting to share his enthusiasm about his hobby, show some of the outstanding specimens in his collection, and revel in the camaraderie that this fine avocation tends to instill amongst its members. It was then pointed out to me that this fine webpage was perhaps a parody, a 'spoof', if you will. I was aghast! Perhaps I was the 'sucker ' that was born during my particular minute. Makes me wonder if I shouldn't stay away from carnival sideshows. I then thought, Why would 'Tom Proudest Member Peregrineflier aka James Knudson' publish such a page if some of it might be construed to be downright tawdry and perhaps hurtful of some of his fellow collectors? While pondering that, an email forwarded by Dave Freeman conveyed a message from 'Tom Proudest Member Peregrineflier aka James Knudson yada, yada, yada', hisself, disclaiming authorship of the webpage. Sonufagun! That twist hadn't occurred to me. The puzzlement deepened as I worked to wrap my mind around the concept that 'Tom Proudest Member Peregrineflier aka James Knudson yada, yada, yada', hisself, might not be the guilty party. It must, therefore, be somebody else. Well, all I can tell you is that after several minutes of deep reflection and consideration on the matter, I think I have narrowed the list of suspects to 3... no, better make that 500 suspects. But I feel certain that with time and due diligence the 'evildoer' will be rooted out and exposed. Or maybe not. It's hard for me to express the utter disappointment I feel that the webpage wasn't truthful and as represented on the face of it. It was such a great testimonial to the 'world of meteorites' and the many joys associated with it. Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas David Freeman wrote: Dear All, Sorry, but this is the funniest thing I have ever seen, we laugh with you, not at you. Maybe the List should offer a reward to find the grand comedian. It's just like the time someone let the monkey out of the cage. Dave F. who lives in a pineapple under the sea. eBay user ID mjwy Tom aka James Knudson wrote: I did not do this, he is looking for the guy that did! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: DNAndrews mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M come Meteorite Meteorites mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite Collectors Associations mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Meteoritecentral mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: [meteoritecollectorsassociation] Re: [meteorite-list] Who know the email of this idiot? M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: Hello all http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom/index.html If any of you know this idiot please give to me the all informations, I us task to make to pass it us wants to laugh. regards Matteo Must be this, I guess: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Beats me, but sure is funny! Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Concerning your branchmeteorites.com/metbuying.html page...
Hi Walter, In reference to your email to the MetList at 4:31 PM this afternoon: I thought What a fine thing to do for the meteorite community in general. Walter would certainly be the person who would do a bang-up job on a page like this. I immediately linked to the page with a great deal of anticipation. Walter, I'm sorry, but I can't get past the first paragraph without doubling over with laughter. I am only going to give you hints as to why. #1. Sure makes me wish I could return to novice status. #2. A spell-checker wouldn't catch this- but you may want to _take heed_ as to why not. Thanks, Walter. I'm still giggling. Jerry Wallace PS...Walter, at first I was just going to send this to you...but it's just too good not to share it. My apologies for any embarrasment I might cause you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: Please Unsubcribe... [meteorite-list] avoirdupois ? etc., etc.,etc.
Folks, Since we seem to have morphed off into anthropology, genealogy, sulking, skulking, and Rosie resigning from the list again, and heaven only knows what else to follow, here's an item of 'breaking news' that is both relevant and timely to our new 'off-topic' subject. It's interesting, too. The following is the blurb from the newsstory: New research suggests the human race was nearly wiped out 70,000 years ago, when a crisis reduced the population to about 2,000 people. The theory has reinvigorated the debate on whether humans really did come 'Out of Africa', or whether the species evolved in little pockets around the globe. /Adapted from a report for ABC radio's 'PM' program./ http://www.abc.net.au/news/indepth/featureitems/s876996.htm In order to get back 'on topic', I'm now wondering whether or not the homo sapiens' close brush with extinction might have had anything to do with meteorites, asteroids, meteoroids, comets, meteors, death stars, and/or alien attacks. That should cover relevancy! 'Crawled out of the Odessa crater' Jerry (and may soon crawl back in) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The most recent data I have seen shows in theory that ALL living modern humans can trace their existence back to no more than 5 individual females and no more that 30 individual males. Speculation from the really exotic all the way down to perfectly plausible scientific projections are a lot of fun to bat back and forth, but for all practical purposes, it seems to me that the primitive, boring procedure of tracing actual familial lines and figuring out who is demonstrably related to whom is hardly obsolete. Sure, we can all come from the same DNA source and we can all be related to each other if we try hard enough, through clever wordplay or speculative, slightly massaged (perhaps) science, just as meteorites COULD very well take forms other than those we currently recognize. Maybe there are meteorites that look just like ping-pong paddles and are made of brie cheese. But if we're just talking about practical, day-to-day genealogy rather than expansive theoretical canvasses, surely it's still more useful to base it in empirical evidencerather like using meteoritical science to identify meteorites, rather than posing lots of cool-sounding but unanswerable possibilities. ;-) Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists Could Unveil Age Of Odessa ImpactCrater
But, of course, Mrs. Breaux is right: Actually, it's MISS Breaux, (pronounced 'bro' with a long 'o') and a real dilly she is, too! If through Odessa you should go, I'd be glad to introduce you. Jerry ;} [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julie Breaux wrote: Kring came to Odessa with impressive credentials. He was a principal investigator at the Chicxulub Scientific Drilling Project near Merida, Mexico, in the Yucatan .. though I must admit that Dr. David Kring's name was first thrust on my attention with regard to Twink Monrad, Jim Kriegh, John Blennert and the Gold Basin meteorites. But, of course, Mrs. Breaux is right: D.A. Kring, A.R. Hildebrand and W.V.Boynton (1991) The Petrology of an Andesitic Melt Rock and a Polymict Breccia from the Interior of Chicxulub Structure (abs. in Lunar Planet. Sci. 22, 755-756). KRING D.A. et al. (1999) Ozone-depleting chlorine and bromine produced by the Chicxulub impact event (MAPS 34-4, 1999, A067). KRING D.A. (2002) Reevaluating the impact cratering kill curve (MAPS 37-12, 2002, pp. 1648-1649). Best wishes, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] home address
Looks like I'm gonna get really lucky here- I just counted all of my money and I've only got $3.18. It's on its way, Steve. Thanks! Jerry PS...One of the smaller micros will be just fine. Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: To all the people who want to buy these micro's from me, please send all your money to my home address.Steve Arnold 105 Deer Run Ln. elgin, illinois 60120 Please remember for future reference. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TUCSON 2003 Video...
To all you folks with outer space stuff on your brains, I'm sure glad I got my order in early for the video. I've replayed it dozens of times and am thrilled by it each time. It's amazing that there are any left. I keep coming across rave reviews about it in different publications: _LA Times_: Should take the Golden Gopher Award for Documentaries at the Moonglow Film Festival. Sparks and Howser (Film reviewers): _Tucson 2003_ An Instant Classic; Will Enthrall Audiences for Ages. _Washington Post_: Hard Hitting, Nail Biting Suspense. Hardly a Documentary- It's 'Docu-Drama'. _Odessa American_: Tucson What?(/But then, they hardly ever have a clue/!) _Dallas Morning News_: Gwilliam and Holmes Shoe-Ins for 2004 Oscar for Documentary Production. _Horseshoe Bend Sentinel_: Great Documentary Melds Science, Personalities, Outstanding Locations. A Real Treat. _Denver Post_: Meteorites Become Stars Thanks to New Documentary. John (GoldMaster) Blennert Likely to be Next Hollywood Heart Throb. (/Move over, DiCaprio/.) And the list just goes on and on... Anyway, if you ain't got your's yet- HURRY! http://www.meteoriteimpact.com/videos.htm Just wanted to throw in my unbiased yet absquatulated opinion. Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] From Outer Space to Inner Space...
Folks, Here's an article from _Discover_, Aug., 2002, that I just stumbled onto and found fascinating. A researcher, geophysicist J. Marvin Herndon, uses material evidence found in meteorites to help support conclusions derived from his [radical] new theory concerning Earth's inner composition and its nuclear mechanics. This is a paragraph from the article: . The answer, says Herndon, dwells inside chondrites, stony meteorites that have fallen to Earth and are thought to represent a record of conditions during the solar system's birth. Most of today's geophysics is based on the idea that Earth is like ordinary chondrites, which were formed under relatively oxygen-rich conditions, he says. But there is a small group of meteorites called enstatite chondrites that formed under conditions in which much less oxygen was present. These are like the inner planets, Herndon says. The oxygen isotopes in enstatite chondrites are identical to what we find inside Earth. . One of the predictions coming out of his new theory is that the earth will only be able to support life as we know it for a mere two billion more years, as opposed to the current estimate of four billion years. Guess I need to worry about this twice as fast as I had been. If you haven't already read the article, I'll bet you'll find it very interesting. http://www.discover.com/aug_02/featplanet.html Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas PS... A new movie, due out at the end of this month, is based on Dr. Herndon's theory. It's titled The Core. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions About North American Impact Craters /Structures
Hi Paul, Here's the very thing for information about impact craters. I have had this poster for several months and have really enjoyed it. The folks at ScienceMall cannot be beat when it comes to quality products, great prices, and exceptional service. Give them a try. http://sciencemall-usa.com/impactposter.html Jerry Wallace PS... I was going to give you some info from the poster to answer your questions, but I see that Bernd has beat me to it while I was writing this. :} ~~~ Paul Heinrich wrote: 1. What was the most recently discovered impact crater for 1. North America? and 2. United States? NOTE: by impact crater, I refer to an impact structure possessing its original rim and depression intact and unburied enough to be recognized by its surface topography. (Buried craters are not included). 2. What was the most recently discovered impact structure in 1. North America and 2. United States? (It doesn't matter whether the structure is buried or deeply eroded.) Just Curious. Paul Baton Rouge, LA __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cosmic bolt probed in shuttle disaster
NOTE: Interesting part towards end of article describes upper atmosphere electrical phenomenen (sprite) believed to have been triggered by passing meteor. jw ~~~ Friday, February 7, 2003 (SF Chronicle) Cosmic bolt probed in shuttle disaster/Scientists poring over 'infrasonic' sound waves Sabin Russell, Chronicle Staff Writer Federal scientists are looking for evidence that a bolt of electricity in the upper atmosphere might have doomed the space shuttle Columbia as it streaked over California, The Chronicle has learned. Investigators are combing records from a network of ultra-sensitive instruments that might have detected a faint thunderclap in the upper atmosphere at the same time a photograph taken by a San Francisco astronomer appears to show a purplish bolt of lightning striking the shuttle. Should the photo turn out to be an authentic image of an electrical event on Columbia, it would not only change the focus of the crash investigation, but it could open a door on a new realm of science. We're working hard on the data set. We have an obligation, said Alfred Bedard, a scientist at the federal Environmental Technology Laboratory in Boulder, Colo. He said the lab was providing the data to NASA but that it was too early to draw any conclusions from the sounds of the shuttle re-entry. The lab has been listening to the sounds of ghostly electromagnetic phenomena in the upper atmosphere, dubbed sprites, blue jets and elves. For some time, scientists have speculated on whether these events could endanger airliners or returning spacecraft. A study conducted 10 years ago for NASA found that there is a 1-in-100 chance that a space shuttle could fly through a sprite, although it concluded that the consequences of such an event were unclear. And in 1989, an upper- atmospheric electrical strike shot down a high-altitude NASA balloon 129,000 feet over Dallas. NASA officials have said they are looking for a missing link to explain the shuttle's breakup that killed seven astronauts Saturday, and they are downplaying the theory that foam insulation falling from the shuttle's extra tank may have contributed to the shuttle's demise. The little-known infrasound project at the Environmental Technology Laboratory operates a network of sophisticated electronic ears that can pick up subaudible thuds of waves crashing on either coast of the United States and the hiss of meteors and spacecraft re-entering the atmosphere thousands of miles away. Sound waves of this nature are called infrasonic and are below the range of human hearing but travel unimpeded for extraordinary distances. Arrays of infrasonic sensors in the high Colorado plains east of Boulder recently have been looking for the crackle of the ghostly electromagnetic events in the Earth's upper atmosphere. We basically detect events at very long ranges, Bedard said. But he stressed that it was too early to draw any conclusions from sounds of the shuttle re-entry. Bedard said the acoustic sensors had previously detected the re-entry of a space shuttle from Northwest Canada to the Kennedy Space Center. CELESTIAL THUNDERCLAP Originally, it was thought that the electrical charges in the thin atmosphere 50 miles above Earth were too dispersed to create infrasound. But Los Alamos National Laboratories physicist Mark Stanley said that, on closer inspection, we've seen very strong ionization in sprites indicating that there were enough air molecules ionized to cause heating and an accompanying pulse -- a celestial thunderclap, as it were. NASA administrators confirmed Thursday that the photograph, taken from Bernal Heights in San Francisco by an amateur astronomer, is being evaluated by Columbia crash investigators. However, Shuttle Program Manager Ron Dittemore told reporters at a Houston news briefing that right now NASA is trying only to verify the validity of the image. The astronomer, who has asked that his name not be used, has declined to release the digital image to the media. But earlier in the week, he permitted Chronicle reporters to view the image and invited one to his home Tuesday evening, when the camera, and a disk of the image, were turned over to former shuttle astronaut Tammy Jernigan for transit to Houston. The image was also e-mailed Tuesday evening to Ralph Roe Jr., chief engineer for the shuttle program at Johnson Space Flight Center in Houston. Dittemore would not say during the news conference whether NASA has ruled in or ruled out one possible explanation for the photo: that the image could have been caused by jiggling of the camera. It was a Nikon M-880 mounted on a tripod. The automatically timed exposure of four to six seconds was triggered by finger. We have to validate whether it is real, Dittemore said. This particular one is no different from the others. . . . It has yet to be determined whether this is important to us or not. SEEKING EVIDENCE NASA officials have
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Alan, Kicked up my first chunks of rusted iron shale and a couple of small, good nuggets from the Odessa Meteor Crater on a cold, wet, windy day, in March of 1955. 13 years old at the time. Had an unfortunate lapse of interest for a few years, but got back on track about three years ago. Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas Thomas H. Webb wrote: Alan, Since 1960! Thomas H. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Text vs HTML settings/ Netscape and Mozilla...
Hi Folks, In regard to the TEXT' preference as stated by Art, here's an easy to use tip for making that setting in either Netscape or Mozilla 1.0 (and Beta). I'm not certain this will work in the newer 6.0 + versions of Netscape, but it probably will. Note that I'm commenting on the email clients (Communicator, etc.) that are included with those particular browsers. When you pull up the address book in either of those browsers, double left click on a name or contact listed in the book, MeteoriteCentral, for example. When that selected window comes up, you will notice that it contains a line with a selection box that allows you to choose whichever format (text or html) that you wish to send your messages in, to that particular person. The format selection that you choose for that person's listing will only apply to that particular listing. It will not affect the formatting in any of the others. I also find in the version of Outlook Express that I have (6.00.26~) that the address book listings in it also have the 'check box' method for selecting TEXT ONLY emails. I would imagine that most, if not all, of the other versions also have this option. In that I have no other email clients, I cannot recommend a fix for them. But check their address books to see if the above provision is available in others as well. Wishing you all BIG meteorites for 2003, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor-doubtful
Well folks, after a bit of snooper-sleuthing on the photo of the object on the counter top with with my Whiz Bang High Resolution/ High Magnification software, I believe I have determined that the object in question _is not_ a recent chunk of horse puckey as our colleague Bill Mason proposed. It is my determination that it is an old, badly baked, lumpy loaf of wheat bread. There is some evidence of green colored inclusions breaking through the crust (and, I recall another amongst us claiming there appeared to be no crust!!!). Any meteoriticist worth a chondrule should immediately jump to the conclusion that these are exposed olivene grains, and that the piece is obviously a rare pallasite worth untold millions (and should bid accordingly.). But whoa down there, comet breath. Those exposed inclusions are, upon microscopic inspection, a fairly good grade of mold spores erupting in little patches here and there (easily mistaken for olivene- in a bad photo.) I also suspect that the loaf is, by now, very hard and heavy, and could, perhaps, be mistaken for the honest-to-goodness meteorite that caused Grandpa's barn to explode and burn in 1931. And, if the loaf is getting a tad moldy, it could once again be warm to the touch, which, there again, would lead a person to easily mistake it for the still warm meteorite that caused Hugh's hole over 72 years ago. So, to be fair, one could assume that this is merely a case of mistaken identity by these sidewinders trying to perpetrate this obvious hoax. But, I guess we'll never know, since it looks like one of the cahooters is going to be the lucky winner in this farce. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2900909851 Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all, Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas ___ Bill Mason III wrote: Well my years as a geologist and paleontologist tell me that it is a fossilized coprolite or a more recent chunk of horse puckey. but I'll bet it smells the same. a scam is a scam by any other name is still a scam. and that is free! Bill Mason __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Credit where credit is due...Concerning Brad Sampson
Hi Steven, Obviously, dealing with Brad is something of a crapshoot. There are any number of bad sellers, just as there are bad buyers, on eBay who are very laikadaisical, even dishonest, in their dealings with each other; it's a damned shame that they are that way, but eBay has millions of people participating as both buyers and sellers, so obviously it's going to reflect the complete spectrum of society with all of its virtues and warts. As you know, the great majority of eBay'ers try hard to be honest and fair in their dealings with each other, otherwise the whole shebang would collapse. I will probably never deal with Brad again; it was an oversight on my part the first time. I feel lucky not to have been one of his victims, as was Matteo, Mark, yourself, and others. I was in no way trying to recommend him nor apologize for him in my earlier post, I had merely wanted to fulfill my earlier statement that I would report on my current [at that time] transaction with him. I'm just thankful that the dealers from the Meteorite Central list with whom I have dealt are honest, punctual, and communicate well; it's a pleasure to do business with them. There are some good, fun, interesting, and very knowledgeable people on here. I appreciate being allowed to be a part of the list. Wishing all of you big ones (meteorites- I mean), Jerry Steven Drummond wrote: Hi Jerry, I too had previous dealings with Cosmicvisitors , I told myself I would not buy from him again, Well He had some auctions for Hah183 A nice LL6 Brecciated. So I too bit the bullet made my bids and won 2 of these pieces , And I must say for under 50 cents a gram what a deal, But I realized I would probably have to wait a bit for the shipment . Well the auction closed and was paid for on, 9-22-02 My 2 slices arrived on 10-22-02 , I guess this is reasonable for ebay, But when a seller says in his description that he ships within 48 hours of the payment and it takes 1 month for delivery, I doubt very much that it was sent in the time frame the seller had stated, I have received NO feedback from this seller for these auctions or any other I won from him, And I have also not left him any feedback either. I refuse to leave feedback for sellers that do not leave me feedback once I have paid and wait until I leave feedback to even consider leaving feedback for the ME ! Brad is very slow to email and ship. But I think most of his customers do eventually receive their pieces. I took a chance bidding on his auctions because the price was very low(Probably due to his feedback and his reputation) And figured I would have to wait at least 1 month for delivery. I received my slices , And Am Happy . But I will not leave feedback for him. Best Regards, Steven Drummond The Unknown Collector __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Credit where credit is due...Concerning Brad Sampson
Folks, Well, I said I would report on my auction results with Brad Sampson, Cosmic Visitors. I had forgotten about the earlier criticisms and complaints about him when I found I had inadvertantly won one of his auctions. I realized only after the auction was over that he was the person that had had so many derogatory comments written about him on the MetCent list. Brad's 'eBay feedback' is not a thing of beauty. It's rather badly speckled with numerous negatives. Anyway, I bit the bullet and sent him the money for the 31g Lost Creek, Kansas, H3.8 slice. I circled a date on my calender to remind me about three weeks later to start the struggle to get my specimen sent to me. The specimen arrived safely at my home 11 days after payment via PayPal. He was no speedburner on the shipment, unlike others in the business that sometimes ship the same day payment is received, but 11 days certainly falls within 'perfectly satisfactory' in my estimation. The slice was well wrapped and packaged. So, no complaints from me. This news will surely be of no consolation to Matteo, but I had said I would report; and so I did. All take care, Jerry/ Odessa __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
