Re: [meteorite-list] Moldavite

[Michael Bross via Meteorite-list]

Thank you Paul
and all others

Found one I love ;)

Regards

Michael



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Hello Michael and List,

Here are some reliable sources for genuine Czech moldavites:

stores.ebay.com/czechminerals/_i.html?_nkw=moldavite=Search&_sid=546074110

naturshop.cz/en/catalog/category/605/moldavites?gclid=Cj0KEQiA7qLDBRD9xJ7PscDCu5IBEiQAqo3BxFc1dtZuazG7OnLxeNZ-q6_nXYhZhcj2xD-or5-h9LgaAgMq8P8HAQ

stores.ebay.de/CS-MINERALS/MOLDAVITES-/_i.html?rt=nc&_dmd=1&_fsub=3419688013&_sid=518359943&_trksid=p4634.c0.m14.l1581&_vc=1&_pgn=1


Regards,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Moldavite

[Michael Bross via Meteorite-list]

Hello everyone !

I have not been posting here for quite a while...
Not a big fan of FBook and not much going on here ;)

A dear friend of mine in France (where I live now also) would love a 
Moldovite

for the energy it would give him.

There are sooo many fakes everywhere..
I read a bit in French and much more in English, but any advice welcomed ;)
(The best advice I read was to hold the Moldovite and feel its energy, but 
online... ;))


And if any of you can propose one, around $100 ?

Thanx

Great day or else to you all

Mike B 


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[meteorite-list] Fbook and Shungite

[Michael Bross via Meteorite-list]

Hello to everyone

I haven't been posting here for quite a while...

What is the FaceBook link ?

And also, just bought a Shungite little stone in France
It seems to be related to a meteorite strike near St Petersburg in Russia
about quite some time ago...

No matter if yes or not... I love that stone !

All info welcomed

Mike B 
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Re: [meteorite-list] [OT] In Memory

[Michael Bross via Meteorite-list]

beautiful !
Thank you !

I don't know you and neither Gian
This is one of the most beautiful tribute
to a friend

All the best to all
MB



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Subject: [meteorite-list] [OT] In Memory


G'Day List

I met this really nice guy on SkyRock Cafe and for some unknown
reason, he really had an impact.  He was also a contributor on the Met
List as well as my own forum. Over time, we became the best of
friends, not only with him but also with his family.  I felt sorry
that he didn't have a detector and as I had a spare one, I sent one to
him. And it became a joke with us because the cost for shipping was
more than the value of the detector.  Over the years, 2e exchanged
little trinkets, mainly for our wives, but meteorites were our
passion.

We communicated on a constant basis but then I lost contact with him.
I knew that the situation was getting a little rough in Venezuela.
But I always remember his words, Be Happy

I woke up this morning to an email from his wife, Mimi And this is
with a heavy heart, informing me that she had been trying to track me
down to let me know that Gian Gallo (Larense) had passed away.

Farewell my friend. You will be missed but not forgotten. The stars
are now your canvas. Have fun. Meteorites were your passion as well as
astronomy, being a veterinarian and your love for life big and small.

Sincerely,
John L. Cabassi
aka Johnno
IMCA# 2125
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Re: [meteorite-list] new book on french meteorites - need yourinvolvement

[Michael Bross]

I could help
I am French and lived many years in NY

Cheers
MB

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From: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:39 PM
To: Pierre-Marie Pelé pierremariep...@yahoo.fr
Cc: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new book on french meteorites - need 
yourinvolvement



Hi Pierre,

As i mentioned in my previous email to you i cant wait to get my hands
on your translated book. I of course have your original French version
which i use as my Bible where French meteorites are concerned but an
English version would be superb :-) Please count me as 1st in the
queue!

I will compile a list of french meteorite specimens in my collection
and forward them on to you. I sent you a list previously but will send
an updated list in the next week.

Although I am half French and can more than get by when reading I am
not good enough to be able to proofread the translation unfortunately
otherwise i would gladly volunteer my services :-)

Cheers

Martin


On 26 Mar 2014 19:11, Pelé Pierre-Marie pierremariep...@yahoo.fr 
wrote:


Hello,

I'm working on the translation of my book about french meteorites.  The 
new book will be entitled Encyclopedia of French Meteorites.


I would like to add to each meteorite file, the repository of specimens 
in museums and private collections.


So, if you own french meteorites, I would be glad to add in my book your 
inventory.


Simply send me for each meteorite :
- name of the meteorite
- total mass you have

I hope to publish the book in june 2014.

I'm also searching for someone who is bilingual in french and english to 
read the french version and english version and to correct all mistakes. 
It's a hard work (150 pages).  The proofreader would have as a gift a 
signed english book and 500$ of meteorites to choose from my website.


Thanks a lot for your help

Pierre-Marie Pelé
Meteor-Center
Météorites : achat - vente - expertise - expéditions - recherche
http://www.meteor-center.com
IMCA 3360
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Re: [meteorite-list] new book on french meteorites - need yourinvolvement

[Michael Bross]

Hello Pierre Marie,

Glad for you
and will be looking at your book when available
Maybe also a meet in Ensisheim, if I can make it this year

Cheers
MB

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From: Pelé Pierre-Marie pierremariep...@yahoo.fr
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:00 PM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net; Martin Goff 
msgmeteori...@gmail.com

Cc: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new book on french meteorites - need 
yourinvolvement



Hello Michael,

thanks for this kind message.  I had found a bilingual reader for my book 
before I read your message.


I hope you'll enjoy my book when it's available this summer.

Kind regards

Pierre-Marie Pelé
Meteor-Center
Météorites : achat - vente - expertise - expéditions - recherche
http://www.meteor-center.com
IMCA 3360


- Mail original -
De : Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
À : Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com; Pierre-Marie Pelé 
pierremariep...@yahoo.fr

Cc : MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Envoyé le : Mercredi 26 mars 2014 21h53
Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] new book on french meteorites - need 
yourinvolvement


I could help
I am French and lived many years in NY

Cheers
MB

--
From: Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:39 PM
To: Pierre-Marie Pelé pierremariep...@yahoo.fr
Cc: MeteoriteList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] new book on french meteorites - need
yourinvolvement


Hi Pierre,

As i mentioned in my previous email to you i cant wait to get my hands
on your translated book. I of course have your original French version
which i use as my Bible where French meteorites are concerned but an
English version would be superb :-) Please count me as 1st in the
queue!

I will compile a list of french meteorite specimens in my collection
and forward them on to you. I sent you a list previously but will send
an updated list in the next week.

Although I am half French and can more than get by when reading I am
not good enough to be able to proofread the translation unfortunately
otherwise i would gladly volunteer my services :-)

Cheers

Martin


On 26 Mar 2014 19:11, Pelé Pierre-Marie pierremariep...@yahoo.fr
wrote:


Hello,

I'm working on the translation of my book about french meteorites.  The
new book will be entitled Encyclopedia of French Meteorites.

I would like to add to each meteorite file, the repository of specimens
in museums and private collections.

So, if you own french meteorites, I would be glad to add in my book your
inventory.

Simply send me for each meteorite :
- name of the meteorite
- total mass you have

I hope to publish the book in june 2014.

I'm also searching for someone who is bilingual in french and english to
read the french version and english version and to correct all mistakes.
It's a hard work (150 pages).  The proofreader would have as a gift a
signed english book and 500$ of meteorites to choose from my website.

Thanks a lot for your help

Pierre-Marie Pelé
Meteor-Center
Météorites : achat - vente - expertise - expéditions - recherche
http://www.meteor-center.com
IMCA 3360
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Re: [meteorite-list] Why Halley's Comet May Be Linked to Famine 1, 500 Years Ago

[Michael Bross]

Dear listees

Interesting...
Mid 90s I saw a great documentary on PBS about that period of famine
and the decline of the Roman Empire, with scientific evidences that the 
Krakatoa

volcano in Indonesia was the reason.
Ice cores, texts from the Vatican talking about almost 30 years of dust
in the atmosphere and blurred sun, (not just 2 years !)

Now we hear about the Halley Comet.

Maybe it was both of them... because when I read there was a small volcanic
effect... Krakatoa is a major volcano on Earth and its eruption at that 
time was a major
one: scientists identified the huge lava field in the ocean surrounding the 
Krakatoa.


Anyway, very interesting

have a great evening
Michael B.





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Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 6:21 PM
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Why Halley's Comet May Be Linked to Famine 1,500 
Years Ago





http://www.space.com/24005-halleys-comet-linked-to-ancient-famine.html

Why Halley's Comet May Be Linked to Famine 1,500 Years Ago
By Mike Wall
space.com
December 18, 2013

SAN FRANCISCO - The ancients had ample reason to view comets as harbingers
of doom, it would appear.

A piece of the famous Halley's comet likely slammed into Earth in A.D.
536, blasting so much dust into the atmosphere that the planet cooled
considerably, a new study suggests. This dramatic climate shift is linked
to drought and famine around the world, which may have made humanity more
susceptible to Justinian's plague in A.D. 541-542 - the first recorded
emergence of the Black Death in Europe.

The new results come from an analysis of Greenland ice that was laid down
between A.D. 533 and 540. The ice cores record large amounts of 
atmospheric

dust during this seven-year period, not all of it originating on Earth.

I have all this extraterrestrial stuff in my ice core, study leader
Dallas Abbott, of Columbia University's Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory,
told LiveScience here last week at the annual meeting of the American
Geophysical Union.

Certain characteristics, such as high levels of tin, identify a comet
as the origin of the alien dust, Abbott said. And the stuff was deposited
during the Northern Hemisphere spring, suggesting that it came from the
Eta Aquarid meteor shower - material shed by Halley's comet that Earth
plows through every April-May.

The Eta Aquarid dust may be responsible for a period of mild cooling in
533, Abbott said, but it alone cannot explain the global dimming event
of 536-537, during which the planet may have cooled by as much as 5.4
degrees Fahrenheit (3 degrees Celsius). For that, something more dramatic
is required.

Ice core data record evidence of a volcanic eruption in 536, but it almost
certainly wasn't big enough to change the climate so dramatically, Abbott
said.

There was, I think, a small volcanic effect, she said. But I think
the major thing is that something hit the ocean.

She and her colleagues have found circumstantial evidence of such an 
impact.

The Greenland ice cores contain fossils of tiny tropical marine organisms
- specifically, certain species of diatoms and silicoflagellates.

An extraterrestrial impact in the tropical ocean likely blasted these
little low-latitude organisms all the way to chilly Greenland, researchers
said. And Abbott believes the object responsible was once a piece of 
Halley's

comet.

Halley zooms by Earth once every 76 years or so. It appeared in Earth's
skies in A.D. 530 and was astonishingly bright at the time, Abbott said.
(In fact, observations of Halley's comet go way back, with research 
suggesting

the ancient Greeks saw the comet streaking across their skies in 466 B.C.)

Of the two brightest apparitions of Comet Halley, one of them is in 530,
Abbott said. Comets are normally these dirty snowballs, but when they're
breaking up or they're shedding lots of debris, then that outer layer
of dark stuff goes away, and so the comet looks brighter.

It's unclear where exactly the putative comet chunk hit Earth or how big
it was, she added. However, a 2004 study estimated that a comet fragment
just 2,000 feet (600 meters) wide could have caused the 536-537 cooling
event if it exploded in the atmosphere and its constituent dust were 
spread

evenly around the globe.


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Re: [meteorite-list] MPOD - problem somewhat off topic

[Michael Bross]

Hello Anne and all,

Have you contacted your Cable provider ?
I don't see you mentioning it.
There might be a setting that blocks some internet links
since the box/router usually has a Firewall.
(or other setting related to your connection to your cable provider)

Bon courage !
Michael B.



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Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 4:51 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] MPOD - problem somewhat off topic


Hello members,

I understand you are looking at a very nice of Sikhote-Alin today, and 
that some of you had nice things to say about it. There is just one 
problem:  I can't see it!!!  My computer refuses to show it to me.


Let me explain.
A couple weeks ago I finally listen to a whole lot of recommendations 
and moved from DSL to Cable, and yes, you were all absolutely right, it 
is very much faster, no doubt about that. And everything works just 
fine except one: now I cannot see the Picture of the Day, I get the 
following message:

   500 - Internal server error
There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and 
it cannot be displayed.


I talked to Paul, I am the only one with that  problem, so it is not 
his server
I tried going to his website, and clicking on the link there, that got 
me the same error message.
Something stuck in a Cache?  My computer is set to dump every cookie, 
history,.. when I shut it down.
It was suggested it was AOL, so I tried FireFox, it worked, for 24 
hours!!! now I get that error message there too.
I asked Google, who gave me a lengthy explanation, that did not help me 
at all.

So what can I try next???

I am really hoping that one of you Internet experts out there will be 
able to help me because I really miss that picture of the Day, it is 
like the piece of chocolate at the end of the day.  ;-)



Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
impact...@aol.com

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

[Michael Bross]

Hi List

Thank you Adam for your posts and links
I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera.

I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East.
Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France.

In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you 
sadly said

for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs)

Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic...
but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM 
rules,
the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our 
world today


Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone
and I am very sad to hear that about USA !

Anyway...
In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for
miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple 
miles

over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an hour
in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about being
on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck 
around)


In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town
and 20-30 on Autobahn
btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour
but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really
off limits...

So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made.
Socially responsible... YES
But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be...

Au revoir
Michael B.








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From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. 
Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. 
Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair 
traffic violation citations.  It is pretty bad when some cops are too lazy 
hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job.  I have 
seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting around 
blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may be going 
a few miles over the limit!  It is pretty bad when you can retrace your 
road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on traffic cams.


What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket face 
to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with them if 
they are wrong?


To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the 
United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those 
currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to be 
ousted!  What ever happened to warrants and probable cause?  Our freedom 
of privacy is at stake!


What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA 
sampler and a butt recognition system?


Adam






- Original Message -
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

Why is this on the list?
Michael Farner

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote:

There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will 
still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year.  They are called 
traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this 
data for an undetermined period of time.  The cameras have OCR meaning 
they can read your license plate numbers.  This gives them the ability to 
retrace your every move if needed in court.


The freedom of privacy is long gone!

Adam



- Original Message -
From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

One of thousands of cameras?  Might be a bit of an overstatement.
According to an article written in 2010 (after the state stopped the
photo speed enforcement program), only a few local jurisdictions still
use them.

This is much more limited in scale and scope, [Matthew Benson, a
spokesman for the Governor's Office] said. You've only got (eight)
instances of this throughout the state.
http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/some-arizona-cities-still-using-speed-cameras-after-program-was-ended-by-gov-jan-brewer

Michael in so. Cal.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
It is interesting that our friend is speaking of traffic stops.  Luckily 
for us, ED or Electronic D.N.A. is on the job 24 hours a day 365 days a 
year. Here are some images of my wife I with a Nevada State Patrol in 
hot pursuit.  She had the ticket printed before we were even stopped 

Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

[Michael Bross]

it is your way of thinking... not mine
especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites
since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic...
and I will never go to these massroads

I love meteorites for what they are.
I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo
a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite...

And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum,
like the sinkholes from Paul H.

All the best
Michael B.



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From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong on 
this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites.



Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote:



Hi List

Thank you Adam for your posts and links
I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera.

I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East.
Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France.

In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as you 
sadly said

for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs)

Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of topic...
but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM 
rules,
the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at our 
world today


Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone
and I am very sad to hear that about USA !

Anyway...
In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for
miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple 
miles
over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an 
hour
in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about 
being
on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck 
around)


In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in town
and 20-30 on Autobahn
btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour
but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones really
off limits...

So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made.
Socially responsible... YES
But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should be...

Au revoir
Michael B.








--
From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this weekend. 
Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going on. 
Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about unfair 
traffic violation citations.  It is pretty bad when some cops are too 
lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do the job.  I 
have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in Arizona waiting 
around blind corners on the freeway just to ruin somebody's day who may 
be going a few miles over the limit!  It is pretty bad when you can 
retrace your road trip 3 months later just by accessing the data on 
traffic cams.


What ever happened to chasing speeders down and giving them a ticket 
face to face so you can al least see who your accuser is and argue with 
them if they are wrong?


To me, all this data collecting (spying) on every single person in the 
United States and those in other countries reflects poorly on those 
currently in office who are abusing this new-found power. They need to 
be ousted!  What ever happened to warrants and probable cause?  Our 
freedom of privacy is at stake!


What next, a toilet cam with a weight monitor under the seat, a DNA 
sampler and a butt recognition system?


Adam






- Original Message -
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

Why is this on the list?
Michael Farner

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 25, 2013, at 10:24 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com 
wrote:


There are thousands of cameras in place in Arizona, some of which will 
still issue thousands of tickets per camera per year.  They are called 
traffic cams and they will still capture your every move and store this 
data for an undetermined period of time.  The cameras have OCR meaning 
they can read your license plate numbers.  This gives them the ability 
to retrace your every move if needed in court.


The freedom of privacy is long gone!

Adam



- Original Message -
From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Cc: Meteorite List meteorite

Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Awesome sinkhole photos

[Michael Bross]

Thank you Paul

Some amazing fotos

Michael

--
From: Paul H. inselb...@cox.net
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:59 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Awesome sinkhole photos


Although it is off topic, there are some quite
spectacular sinkhole photos at:

Sinkholes: When the Earth Opens Up, In Focus
with Ann Taylor, The Atlantic, July 12, 2013
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/07/sinkholes-when-the-earth-opens-up/100552/

Yours,

Paul H.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

[Michael Bross]

because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange.

I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools 
etc...

The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s

The success of them were in being able to talk about other topics
when there were of interest, of course...

I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his
Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him)
and many other OT subjects here... lately

If they enrich us/me, they are not OT
Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ?

When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk
about meteorites ?

If not, why not here ?
There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible

All the best
Michael


--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. Meteorite-related 
posts are becoming the
minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, 
politics, privacy,  there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite 
forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and 
demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of the 
flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. Please 
don't make this list about personal rants on government topics not related 
to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why?


Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote:



it is your way of thinking... not mine
especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites
since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic...
and I will never go to these massroads

I love meteorites for what they are.
I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo
a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite...

And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum,
like the sinkholes from Paul H.

All the best
Michael B.



--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

In no way shape or form does speed cameras or privacy rules etc belong 
on this list. Nothing in these emails was about meteorites.



Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2013, at 5:33 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote:



Hi List

Thank you Adam for your posts and links
I love the one with your soulmate waving to the camera.

I am French, lived many years in NYC and the East.
Now with a pied-a-terre in Obernai, near Strasbourg in France.

In France, the speed radars are almost only placed to milk money, as 
you sadly said

for Colorado. (not to get the real road dogs)

Michael (Farmer), I also understand your point as this being of 
topic...
but is it so ? when we look at the lengthy interesting posts about BLM 
rules,
the meteorite market etc... this goes in the same range of looking at 
our world today


Like Adam rightfully said... the freedom of privacy has gone
and I am very sad to hear that about USA !

Anyway...
In France, you can be on a road late at night with nobody around for
miles and time... and being flashed by a radar because you are a couple 
miles
over the limit, between quotes, because being at 80 or 100 miles an 
hour
in SUCH circumstances... doesn't matter at all. (we are talking about 
being
on a multiple lane freeway/ Autobahn with barely any other car or truck 
around)


In Germany, they have radars...BUT you have a margin of 05-10 kms in 
town

and 20-30 on Autobahn
btw, when I go to NYC, nobody is at the speed limit of 55 miles/hour
but more in the 65-70 range... the troopers onl sort out the ones 
really

off limits...

So, I agree with Adam with all the points he made.
Socially responsible... YES
But... please no not-human eye to estimate a situation as it should 
be...


Au revoir
Michael B.








--
From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 12:18 AM
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

There are some people headed to Hollbrook through Kingman this 
weekend. Just wanted to give them a heads up on unfair ticketing going 
on. Somebody else posted the Curry contact which complained about 
unfair traffic violation citations.  It is pretty bad when some cops 
are too lazy hand out tickets in person and depend on cameras to do 
the job.  I have seen mobile camera trucks with 20 foot booms in 
Arizona waiting around

Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

[Michael Bross]

you post while I was writing to you again
and now you put a more aggressive tone. It's ok for now...

before I respond to your post, here is what I was trying
to share with you:

I don't know Adam Hupe.
I saw many emails at once about Curry ... thread still on...
we continue exchanging with that subject line...!
The one from Adam Hupe attracted me immediately.

He is not talking about gvt etc... but showing that in
Colorado... in the desert mainly... especially if you are a
Meteorite Hunter like you... you have speed cameras
to check if you are a danger to others... !!

That's what I read in his first etc... posts.
Not just regulations


To your post:
- given up of what ? The very few interesting posts on this forum
for the last year and a half ? (we can continue on this...)
where are they now ?
- chatrooms ?!...  sure... where you spend your time trying
to figure out to what line you got the relating answer... a non dialog !
Fb and other Twit... instant, no depth !

So, there is a place for this forum and others to allow that space
of freedom

That's what I feel tonight

And if wrong... I will leave this forum, which became mostly about some
ads, some rants... and very few about Meteorites

All best






--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:40 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

There is low traffic because most have given up and either left or just 
don't bother anymore.
If you are bored there are chatrooms. I talk politics on Facebook, I 
prefer to talk meteorites on this meteorite list. It has rules clearly 
spelled out that all post need to relate to meteorites.
While cool scientific posts are often on here, and no one complains as 
they are usually about geology or astronomy, which can be rolled into 
meteorites in general, speeding tickets and cameras really don't need to 
be here unless you say watch out just before Holbrook turn as there is a 
speed camera for example. Ive been on this list for 14 years and have 
seen it dwindle from 50-60 posts a day down to 2 or 3 useful. Perhaps we 
can find our way back to meteorites?


Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote:



because, they are really few forums today where there is an exchange.

I am on various forums: archeometallurgy, medicinal plants, ancient tools 
etc...

The exchange has become so minimal compared to the late 90s

The success of them were in being able to talk about other topics
when there were of interest, of course...

I enjoyed seeing a recent post from Michael Cottingham about his
Yerba Mansa project (I still have to contact him)
and many other OT subjects here... lately

If they enrich us/me, they are not OT
Don't you think that way ? or are meteorites your only interest ?

When you go Tucson or other Meteorite gathering, do you only talk
about meteorites ?

If not, why not here ?
There is such low traffic... and the delete key is so accessible

All the best
Michael


--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 3:17 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

Sadly the list is being used daily for off-topic rants. 
Meteorite-related posts are becoming the
minority. There are endless forums for speeding tickets etc, government, 
politics, privacy,  there are few for meteorites. Sadly the meteorite 
forums on facebook have been taken over by endless Moroccan spam and 
demands to identify their endless rocks. I am blocking them because of 
the flood of spam. We have few places to turn for real meteorite talk. 
Please don't make this list about personal rants on government topics 
not related to meteorites. BLM rules, yes, speeding tickets, why?


Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 25, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote:



it is your way of thinking... not mine
especially because this forum has been much less on meteorites
since Fb and other social networks seem to drag the traffic...
and I will never go to these massroads

I love meteorites for what they are.
I am not a collector, but happy to have some Campo del Ceilo
a Seshuan but no gorgeous pallasite...

And I enjoy others sharing here on this worldwide forum,
like the sinkholes from Paul H.

All the best
Michael B.



--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 2:57 AM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; Adam 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Contracts Curry

In no way shape or form does

Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy

[Michael Bross]

Hi Adam and List

I agree with you, Adam, BUT lets not forget that UPS, FedEx etc... don't 
have

ANY cost in dealing with snailmail (people, infrastructure etc...) which
certainly is the least beneficial post for USPS.

When I lived in US, I remember the same kind of debate about the Bells
and the telephone newcomers which didn't have to bear the cost of
the public tel cabins, their repairs etc...

Lets try to be fair in our judgement

All the best to all
Michael B.

PS: I have no personal interest in any telecommunication company 
whatsoever...




--
From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:35 PM
To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy





It just shows how behind the times the United States Postal Service is. 
They raise international shipping costs by %50 after raising it every year 
for the last several years.  What are we getting for these massive 
increases?  Nothing!


Now packages have to be shipped twice, eBay's way of Band-Aiding a serious 
problem!  UPS, FedEx and EMS have been able to track international 
packages for over two decades!   It shows when the U.S. Government 
oversees an operation like USPS that we can count on extreme inefficiency.


I would fire the entire board and and tell the replacement  board to learn 
something from the private sector!


Adam






From: Jim Strope fa...@yahoo.com
To: Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ebays new shipping policy


The downside for the buyer is that they will have to pay taxes on the full 
value.


Jim Strope
421 4th Street
Glen Dale, WV. 26038

Sent from my iPad

On May 5, 2013, at 4:30 AM, Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com wrote:

under the new overseas shipping policy you send your package to a 
shipping service, which then sends and tracks your package to the 
customer. The customer will no longer be able to claim they did not get 
the package.

an improvement over previous policy.
cheers
Steve
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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't listen to Thieves stories !

[Michael Bross]

List, Bruno and Carine...

I am French myself... and would love to see a better English
in your email... ! (I can help you if you wish !... just send me a private
email)

I know !... it is too much to ask from French individuals to speak a decent
English.. unfortunately...

My first shock was to read that you had your collection in Tucson
by a friend of the person you were in litigation/or whatever trouble with
?!!!

(comment pouvez vous avoir vos meteorites chez un ami de la
personne avec laquelle vous etes en conflit... ?! je ne comprends pas !!
Comment pouvez vous etre si naifs?)

How did that happen ?!
Or... how can you be so naïve ?! Not innocent... but naïve ?!

I am flabbergasted... and I guess many here on the list might be !

Maybe... I didn't understand fully your problem... but your naivety
makes me speechless...

All the best for a solution to your problem !
And contact me for any help in translation !!!

Michael B.




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From: The Earth's Memory i...@meteorite.fr
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:00 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't listen to Thieves stories !


Dear Jason, Darryl and all Meteorites friends,

to kill any rumors and bad mouths.

We have been the very first to develop meteorite hunting in NWA fields in 
1997.


At that time we have setlle up a partnership agreement with a moroccan 
man, he has
signed a contract with us. We would teach him meteorites and sell his 
share and he would not sell to anybody else.


This was in 1999. Since 2004 our partner stop bringing us any specimens. 
We have sold his
share over 14 years and did send him hundreds of thousands of $ during 
this period (everything is recorded
and by official wirement). Last year he asked us to give him back the few 
remaining of his share and disolve the partnership,
after negociating we agreed on a sum (no phone or vocal but by writting), 
we have wired him some money and agreed for

the rest after the Tucson show.

When we arrived in Tucson he took advantage that we have our company 
inventory storage
in his friend's place in Tucson. He and his friends keept our inventory in 
hostage, they didn't want us to access our material.


The criminal team then forced us to give them a good part of our 
inventory, they
ask us to come alone at night in their location on Oracle, we were scared 
to death.
We have warned several persons of the extortion in progress, they will 
testify.


The person selling our meteorites on ebay was present and was
the expert for the extortion, we have his hand written documents were
he analyse the price of our merchandise and the top priority specimens to 
get

with his share on them.

They kept a big inventory in retainer so we wouldn't go to the police, 
they

told us that they know mexican strong experts so we souldn't do anything
against them.

At this point we thought the extortion would stop their crazyness.

But it wasn't enough !

As our shipping crate was at their wharehouse, we had to go at the end of
the show in that place to ship back and to try to get the retainer.

We went to the UPS location inside the wharehouse and asked to ship our
crate from here and if it was secure, UPS people said no problems,
we gave them the paperwork, they put our crate in the ups truck and we 
left.


About twenty minutes later one of the thieves came and pretexting to add 
some material in our crate

asked for our crate back.
the UPS guy gave it to him ! then the criminal brought it back the 
next day when
we receive it, it was full of asphalte pieces with all our boxes empty... 
The french Police send
a team of Forensic and they took fingerprints and DNA on the empty boxes 
inside the crate.


This is the Truth. Any other version from the thieves is just to try
to mix people's mind.

They just thought we would never imply police and FBI because we were so
scared, they though we would just give up. That is why one of them is 
selling openly.


Fortunatly UPS made a lot of pressions and the brain of the criminal team
have confessed to UPS board that he has the merchandise in his wharehouse.

This was Robbery ! we have and UPS have the evidences in hands.

We are victims of Crimes of Extortion and Robbery, we can prove it by 
papers
and witnesses . We will fight and get them to Court no matter the time or 
money involved !


We have offered them to undo the Crimes if they give us
ALL our inventory back at no cost but they didn't even reply.

Now the stolen collection is incredible, you can all see what we are 
talking about there:

http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.htm

Any help would be very much appreciated .

Sincerely,

Bruno  Carine










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Re: [meteorite-list] Don't listen to Thieves stories !

[Michael Bross]

List, Bruno and Carine

I just sent an email to you and the list.
There are too many points that are not understandable
in plain English... even if we, I, feel your honesty !

(il y a trop de phrases en Anglais dans votre email qui ne sont
pas comprehensibles en Anglais ... on s'y perd dans votre recit
de vos deboires !)

So contact me, or another French-speaking person on the list, to have your
story better written in English to really understand !

(contactez moi, ou une autre personne sur ce forum, pour vous
proposer une meilleure traduction de ce que vous voulez dire !)

All best to all

Michael B.



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From: The Earth's Memory i...@meteorite.fr
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:00 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Subject: [meteorite-list] Don't listen to Thieves stories !


Dear Jason, Darryl and all Meteorites friends,

to kill any rumors and bad mouths.

We have been the very first to develop meteorite hunting in NWA fields in 
1997.


At that time we have setlle up a partnership agreement with a moroccan 
man, he has
signed a contract with us. We would teach him meteorites and sell his 
share and he would not sell to anybody else.


This was in 1999. Since 2004 our partner stop bringing us any specimens. 
We have sold his
share over 14 years and did send him hundreds of thousands of $ during 
this period (everything is recorded
and by official wirement). Last year he asked us to give him back the few 
remaining of his share and disolve the partnership,
after negociating we agreed on a sum (no phone or vocal but by writting), 
we have wired him some money and agreed for

the rest after the Tucson show.

When we arrived in Tucson he took advantage that we have our company 
inventory storage
in his friend's place in Tucson. He and his friends keept our inventory in 
hostage, they didn't want us to access our material.


The criminal team then forced us to give them a good part of our 
inventory, they
ask us to come alone at night in their location on Oracle, we were scared 
to death.
We have warned several persons of the extortion in progress, they will 
testify.


The person selling our meteorites on ebay was present and was
the expert for the extortion, we have his hand written documents were
he analyse the price of our merchandise and the top priority specimens to 
get

with his share on them.

They kept a big inventory in retainer so we wouldn't go to the police, 
they

told us that they know mexican strong experts so we souldn't do anything
against them.

At this point we thought the extortion would stop their crazyness.

But it wasn't enough !

As our shipping crate was at their wharehouse, we had to go at the end of
the show in that place to ship back and to try to get the retainer.

We went to the UPS location inside the wharehouse and asked to ship our
crate from here and if it was secure, UPS people said no problems,
we gave them the paperwork, they put our crate in the ups truck and we 
left.


About twenty minutes later one of the thieves came and pretexting to add 
some material in our crate

asked for our crate back.
the UPS guy gave it to him ! then the criminal brought it back the 
next day when
we receive it, it was full of asphalte pieces with all our boxes empty... 
The french Police send
a team of Forensic and they took fingerprints and DNA on the empty boxes 
inside the crate.


This is the Truth. Any other version from the thieves is just to try
to mix people's mind.

They just thought we would never imply police and FBI because we were so
scared, they though we would just give up. That is why one of them is 
selling openly.


Fortunatly UPS made a lot of pressions and the brain of the criminal team
have confessed to UPS board that he has the merchandise in his wharehouse.

This was Robbery ! we have and UPS have the evidences in hands.

We are victims of Crimes of Extortion and Robbery, we can prove it by 
papers
and witnesses . We will fight and get them to Court no matter the time or 
money involved !


We have offered them to undo the Crimes if they give us
ALL our inventory back at no cost but they didn't even reply.

Now the stolen collection is incredible, you can all see what we are 
talking about there:

http://www.meteorite.fr/en/stolen.htm

Any help would be very much appreciated .

Sincerely,

Bruno  Carine










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Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major MeteoriteCollectionstollen !!!!

[Michael Bross]

Do you realize Bruno, that you are difficult to understand ?!

When I read that from a previous email from you:
the UPS guy gave it to him ! then the criminal brought it back the

next day when
we receive it, it was full of asphalte pieces with all our boxes empty... 
The french Police send
a team of Forensic and they took fingerprints and DNA on the empty boxes 
inside the crate.


what should I, We understand about what you are saying now !

I guess, as I said !, your English is not good enough to make
yourself understood properly...

il est temps que tu trouves quelqu'un qui traduise veritablement
tes propos et doleances !
parce que tes derniers emails sont bcp trop vagues pour moi
pour que les gens sur la liste comprennent !

All best
Michael B.


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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:40 PM
To: cdtuc...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major 
MeteoriteCollectionstollen 



Carl,

please send us the list of these people, witnesses are always welcome.

Wow, he told you that he has half of our material ? thank you for your 
testimony.


Anybody has pictures of that exposed collection ?

If you had more than your house value as retainer you would be very 
cooperative beleive us,

we even had to give some Museum labels  .

Past debt obligations ? please show any paperwork.

If he is caught there and has nothing to see why he doesn't answer us 
nor write us that he's innocent ?


and as for the delay, 12 days for the crate to come back to France, the 
investigations and been able to have

enough strong written evidences and witnesses takes time you know.

This is one of the biggest robbery in the meteorites history, we are the 
victims and you try to tell us that we

shouldn't be on the list ?

Don't worry, that should be resolved strongly.

Bruno  Carine


- Original Message - 
From: cdtuc...@cox.net
To: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite 
Collectionstollen 




List,
This is very confusing. The Tucson show ended nearly a month ago on Feb. 
18th. Why the long wait to make claims
Anyone at the show already saw much of this material being sold by Sean 
and he and Bruno were very friendly with each other at the time. I saw 
them meeting and discussing identification and pricing of this material. 
Bruno had half or this material for sale and Sean had the other half for 
sale.  In other words it was explained to me that they had made a deal in 
exchange for past debt obligations Bruno had with Sean's partner. Sean 
explained this to anyone interested . I could give you a list of people 
Sean told this to.  He had made a legitimate deal with Bruno.
This seems like somebody is doing dirty laundry in public and has no 
business on this list. At least not until resolved. There is always two 
sides to every story. Sean may be caught in the middle here but, I know 
him to be an honest man.

Carl
meteoritemax

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Cheers

 Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote:

Holy Smokes!!! Looking over the list of stolen meteorites, many of those
individual pieces are worth 5X more then my collection of 12 years!!! 
There
has to be several hundred thousand dollars or more lost/stolen on this! 
How

in the name of Mary did anyone get away with all that inventory!? I am
speechless, thankful I only have to type. Where was the security, laser
alarms and Uzzi! I am very sorry to see and hear this. This is 
incredible.

Hopefully this will help create better measures on security because this
boggles my mind!

Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
www.ctreasurescwonders.com
IMCA #0960

- Original Message - 
From: The Earth's Memory i...@meteorite.fr

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:35 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite
Collectionstollen 


 Dear list Members,

 it is with consternation that we annouce you that we have been
 victims of extortion at the beginning of the Tucson show
 and finaly totaly robbed at the end of the Tucson show.

 Fortunatly the criminals have been iddentified and one have admited
 that he has the material. For security and procedure raison we will 
 not
 disclose their names at that time nor the circumstances, we can just 
 tell

 you that two are Americans and one is Morrocan.

 We and the Police have enough evidences and witnesses, that will lead 
 the

 criminal team to be
 punished by the full power of the Law.

 We offered them to give back the material and we would not press 
 charges,

 but it seems that they are not cooperating.
 The French Police will involve FBI and INTERPOL in the next days as 
 they

 don't return our 

Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: MajorMeteoriteCollectionstollen !!!!

[Michael Bross]

List

I have to add, because I am getting too many emails
on the private side !

I was trying to help Bruno and Carine,
but this is getting out of hand fro me !

I was ONLY trying to tell Bruno to get a better English translation
for what he wanted to say/convey !

He doesn't contact me privately, or another person who can help
him better convey his French thoughts... well

I am out of it

Good luck and evening to everyone !

Michael B.
(lost enough time and energy...)


--
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:14 PM
To: The Earth's Memory i...@meteorite.fr; cdtuc...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: 
MajorMeteoriteCollectionstollen 



Do you realize Bruno, that you are difficult to understand ?!

When I read that from a previous email from you:
the UPS guy gave it to him ! then the criminal brought it back the

next day when
we receive it, it was full of asphalte pieces with all our boxes empty... 
The french Police send
a team of Forensic and they took fingerprints and DNA on the empty boxes 
inside the crate.


what should I, We understand about what you are saying now !

I guess, as I said !, your English is not good enough to make
yourself understood properly...

il est temps que tu trouves quelqu'un qui traduise veritablement
tes propos et doleances !
parce que tes derniers emails sont bcp trop vagues pour moi
pour que les gens sur la liste comprennent !

All best
Michael B.


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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:40 PM
To: cdtuc...@cox.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major 
MeteoriteCollectionstollen 



Carl,

please send us the list of these people, witnesses are always welcome.

Wow, he told you that he has half of our material ? thank you for your 
testimony.


Anybody has pictures of that exposed collection ?

If you had more than your house value as retainer you would be very 
cooperative beleive us,

we even had to give some Museum labels  .

Past debt obligations ? please show any paperwork.

If he is caught there and has nothing to see why he doesn't answer us 
nor write us that he's innocent ?


and as for the delay, 12 days for the crate to come back to France, the 
investigations and been able to have

enough strong written evidences and witnesses takes time you know.

This is one of the biggest robbery in the meteorites history, we are the 
victims and you try to tell us that we

shouldn't be on the list ?

Don't worry, that should be resolved strongly.

Bruno  Carine


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From: cdtuc...@cox.net
To: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite 
Collectionstollen 




List,
This is very confusing. The Tucson show ended nearly a month ago on Feb. 
18th. Why the long wait to make claims
Anyone at the show already saw much of this material being sold by Sean 
and he and Bruno were very friendly with each other at the time. I saw 
them meeting and discussing identification and pricing of this material. 
Bruno had half or this material for sale and Sean had the other half for 
sale.  In other words it was explained to me that they had made a deal 
in exchange for past debt obligations Bruno had with Sean's partner. 
Sean explained this to anyone interested . I could give you a list of 
people Sean told this to.  He had made a legitimate deal with Bruno.
This seems like somebody is doing dirty laundry in public and has no 
business on this list. At least not until resolved. There is always two 
sides to every story. Sean may be caught in the middle here but, I know 
him to be an honest man.

Carl
meteoritemax

--
Cheers

 Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
Holy Smokes!!! Looking over the list of stolen meteorites, many of 
those
individual pieces are worth 5X more then my collection of 12 years!!! 
There
has to be several hundred thousand dollars or more lost/stolen on this! 
How

in the name of Mary did anyone get away with all that inventory!? I am
speechless, thankful I only have to type. Where was the security, laser
alarms and Uzzi! I am very sorry to see and hear this. This is 
incredible.
Hopefully this will help create better measures on security because 
this

boggles my mind!

Sincerely
Don Merchant
Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders
www.ctreasurescwonders.com
IMCA #0960

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From: The Earth's Memory i...@meteorite.fr

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Cc: i...@imcamail.de
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 6:35 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Urgent Attention: Major Meteorite
Collectionstollen 


 Dear list Members

Re: [meteorite-list] sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite

[Michael Bross]

Dear Martin, Jason and List

First, Martin, I love your highly spirited answer to Jason.
Jason, as Martin says (and respects you)... you both should smoke
the peace pipe...

I am following this list because I love meteorites,
although I am barely buying any... maybe I will in the future.
(I love pallasites... but sooo expensive...)

This is a great back and forth exchange which gets to the core
of some really technical but real aspect of dealing with classifying,
selling etc...

So... hope you solve your momentary quarrel

Cheers
Michael B.  (a meteorite fan from France)


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From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 6:28 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite


Hiho Jason,

not at all, I haven't any likely NWA 7034 at hand (nor would I have 
original
NWA 7034 at hand, to compare), neither any leftover of NWA 4766 an 
official

NWA 2975 pairing, whereof all stones were looked through by a meteorite
scientist.
(and anyway, how could you think that about me, tststs shame on you. 
Anyway
I was out of biz for more than a year now, due to a disease and it will 
take

a while until my little star will raise again to sparkle between the stars
of the splendid Northern constellation of the FC Meteorite House).

(I hadn't cost you a customer, it was his free decision.
He asked in the forum, I told him, that also for me your description is 
not

100% clear
and that he should ask you about the status of your material.
And as he was a newer collector, I told him the difference between
unclassified and classified material in the view of a collector. Told him,
when his concern is only about the material itself, he could take 
advantage

of your offer (as I trust in your abilities), but if he wants to get the
number out of the media, it would be normal to take in account a higher
price and to buy from a seller offering original NWA 7034,
and that this with decision nobody could help him, but that he has to make
it.)

Hey, but now back to the beef.
Jason, I have I an idea, which is also more comfort, as we don't have to
argue then anymore.

What do you think about the idea, that we both in your case file a formal
complaint to the IMCA?
Formal complaint, cause else IMCA doesn't occupy themselves with a case.
I mean, they must know better than we, how to interpret their CoE.
And then we wait for their decision.

No worries, there will be no harm to you.
Either they will say, correct your descriptions and commend how to do so 
and

ask you to avoid something similar in future
Or they will say, the complaint is baseless, it's o.k. like you did it 
(and

you won a crate of beer from me at the nextTucson show).

Shall we?
Martin





-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason
Utas
Gesendet: Montag, 4. März 2013 16:42
An: Meteorite-list
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] sharp protrusion from an iron meteorite

Ahhh, now I get it.  Before I could have seen it as simple concern.
Now I'm guessing you purchased some more material paired with NWA 7034, 
hope

to sell it in the future, and are attacking my material accordingly.

So now I'm not allowed to have my own opinion?  Wow, Martin.  I heard from
some others (including a well-regarded scientist) that my last email 
raised

some good points.  You've got something else coming if you think I'm going
to start taking your word as gospel, especially given your history.

So you're the fellow who cost me a buyer by telling him that he should pay
three times more for a chip from an analyzed rock.  Well, shoot.
Thanks for letting me know. I'll be sure to have your back next time.

Re: everything else/the IMCA:

Authenticity is something I take very seriously, and not just with other
peoples' rocks.  I'm as critical of my samples as I can be, and donating a
~2 gram fragment from my lot of NWA 7034-paired material would not 
guarantee

the authenticity of the smaller fragments.  Only close scrutiny -- or
probing each one individually would do that, and that sort of analytical
requirement has never been in place for the IMCA or elsewhere.

I've already pointed out that I skirt directly referring to the stones as
NWA 7034 on the website, so your rehashing the you're using someone 
else's

number is getting old.  I do say these fragments are paired.  They are.
You also disregard the fact that pieces are being worked on and that, even
if I had 20% of my lot of fragments analyzed, per convention, most of the
fragments wouldn't be directly tested.
You wouldn't be attacking my credibility, and I could sell as many
similar-looking terrestrial rocks as I wanted -- in peace.

So your rules don't ensure authenticity in this case.  What does ensure
authenticity is the fact that I looked at each fragment with a microscope,
searching for 

[meteorite-list] Paper on preliminary orbit reconstruction of Chelyabinsk

[Michael Bross]

Dear List

I don't know if that link was already submitted here.
Available on Cornell University website:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1302.5377

Have a great day

Michael B. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)

[Michael Bross]

I agree with you Michael
I saw a Tissint at the Ensisheim show last June.
Just absolutely amazing... can't remember such
another beautiful black color !

Beside that, I am a pallasite addict

Michael B.

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From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 9:15 PM
To: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com
Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick one)

I agree, Tissint was extremely underpriced. The evidence is that there is 
virtually none on the market a year later. All nice pieces vanished into 
collections. I will take Tissint over a Martian find any day of the week.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 19, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com wrote:


So where does this leave Tissint...one of the most undervalued
meteorites of all time. If it had come down as it did , but in the USA
or UK...what would have the price beenand yet what is the
difference. Pricing at the moment has gone bonkers.

Graham

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 7:57 PM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com 
wrote:

Adam, those who bought black beauty for $20,000 gram will lose 90%.
I expect this Russia fall to be couple bucks a gram for larger material.
Anyone paying $50+ gram for this will be an idiot just like those buying 
fakes on eBay. Please don't stoop to calling this a boring ordinary 
meteorite, it isn't!
Call it anything you want, a nuclear-bomb blast magnitude common 
chondrite on the news 24/7 for last 5 days, Gimme Gimme gimme!

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 19, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com 
wrote:


This is what makes meteorite collecting interesting.  Some prefer falls 
and some prefer rare types.  I am saying that historically, there is 
way more bang for the buck in a planetary piece than a fall unless it 
is a planetary fall.  The last Martian fall maintains around 40% of the 
initial offering price whereas the last several chondrite falls only 
maintains about 10-20% of their initial offer price.  For the most 
part, unless some dealer becomes desperate and charges way too much on 
his credit card, Planetary finds have the best record for maintaining 
price in the long run.


With over a dozen falls a year, Ordinary Chondrite falls are literately 
a dime a dozen these days, excuse the pun.  You can purchase very old 
witnessed falls at a bargain by comparison to more recent falls with 
asking prices much higher.  I would prefer very old falls for 
investment purposes.


I like planetary pieces above all else and to me, they will always be 
king.


Adam











From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com
Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only pick 
one)


Sorry Adam, but this fall has been seen in every country and every tv 
in the world. I would not expect it to be expensive because for sure 
thousands of stones will be recovered. The price on black beauty is 
insane, already dropping and I have Moroccans begging me to buy it. 
This Russian fall has excited the world, my sales are surging because 
of interest.
I will take a bet with you, this Russian meteorite will fill every 
collection in the world and Black beauty will be owned by very few 
people.

I know where I am going to put my money.

Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 19, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com 
wrote:


In my opinion, the Martian Breccia is far more important than an 
Ordinary Chondrite and will hold its value better than a witnessed 
fall with thousands of pieces on the market..  A witnessed fall may 
very well lose 90% of its value within a month or two once its 
coolness factor wears off.  The real story is in the event and once 
the limited amount of collectors get their hands on some, the demand 
drops off quickly.  On the other hand, the way overpriced Martian 
meteorite will be appreciated much longer unless pairings and 
competition drag the price down.


I always wait at least six months before investing in either one so 
that I am am not paying 4 to 10 times its settled value.


Adam





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From: Matt Morgan m...@mhmeteorites.com
To: Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk; 
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wish list Meteorite choice (can only 
pick one)


I'll take the Martian if we are playing that game.

Mark Ford mark.f...@southernscientific.co.uk wrote:



Aw, invoking shrodinger's cat is cheating!  :)

Ok, in this universe, i'll take the Russian, in the other one the
Martian..

lol

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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Michael Bross]

Hi Bjorn (and list)

Why do I think you might be right ?
Or is this just another of those coincidences...

Anyway, please pursue your idea/flair...!
Science in history shows that out of the box
approaches lead to real discoveries.

That's why I don't listen to the reasonable,
classical, main stream comments and deductions anymore...

Cheers
Michael B.


--
From: Bjorn Sorheim astro...@online.no
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:04 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 
related, yes I think so...




I must be starting praying for you MIke!!?
That's the most clueless article about these events I have ever seen.
Or someone purporting to know anything about celestial mechanics.
Wired and author Helene McLaughlin doesn't know a thing about celestial 
mechanics.

The diagram is totally wrong, and the explanation about their paths is
a TOTAL misunderstanding.
As I have been trying to convey, the meteoroid falling in
Russia (technically it is actually an asteroid as it is so big 15-17m) 
didn't originate
from 2012DA14 while it passed the Earth! It split of way before and was 
travelling parallell
with the mother asteroid but a long distance ahead of it and a bit over 2 
Earth diameters

inside its orbit.

Mike Hankey wrote:

good article that shows graphically why/how these are not related.

https://epost.telenor.no/mobileoffice//mobileoffice/?cmd=mailsub=redirecturl=http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2013/02/asteroids-and-meteors-same-day/http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2013/02/asteroids-and-meteors-same-day/






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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Michael Bross]

Hi Chris

I am a scientist myself, in agronomy.
And I have learned to be more and more skeptical
about the common/obvious knowledge over the years...

You might be right... but be careful about your
high level of certainty...

Said with all respect to you but also Bjorn
who seems to have a point, if you take into
account what he said about a split before...

Anyway
lets enjoy your different arguments

Michael B.



--
From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:31 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 
related, yes I think so...


The orbital elements are precisely known for DA14, and the estimated 
elements for the meteor are certainly not far off. You don't understand 
orbital dynamics at all if you believe these two bodies could have been in 
parallel orbits. They were not. There is no plausible mechanism that could 
have resulted in a piece of DA14 ending up in a radically different orbit. 
You appear to be focusing on the location of the impact and the location 
of the asteroid. What is relevant is the paths they were in, and that is 
known.


If you want to run around sounding like some sort of conspiracy nut, knock 
yourself out (as well as your so-called anonymous expert). These events 
were unrelated. That is as certain as anything can be.


Chris

***
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com

On 2/16/2013 12:04 PM, Bjorn Sorheim wrote:


I must be starting praying for you MIke!!?
That's the most clueless article about these events I have ever seen.
Or someone purporting to know anything about celestial mechanics.
Wired and author Helene McLaughlin doesn't know a thing about celestial
mechanics.
The diagram is totally wrong, and the explanation about their paths is
a TOTAL misunderstanding.
As I have been trying to convey, the meteoroid falling in
Russia (technically it is actually an asteroid as it is so big 15-17m)
didn't originate
from 2012DA14 while it passed the Earth! It split of way before and was
travelling parallell
with the mother asteroid but a long distance ahead of it and a bit over
2 Earth diameters
inside its orbit.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Michael Bross]

Ok... lets see.
because all the first part of your email
makes me reasonably think like you...
but then I read the end...

Quote:
There is no reasonable or likely mechanism for a body to split and
produce products with radically different orbits.

How sure are you about this... ?
Especially the reasonable and likely mechanism part
As I said before.

Anyway, sorry if I disturb the list but this doesn't sound like an evidence
to me

Michael



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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:21 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 
related, yes I think so...


Skepticism does not require having significant doubt about things which 
are well understood. The suggestion that has been offered is either the 
product of extreme ignorance or of outright pseudoscience (well, the 
question was a fair one, but the insistence upon sticking with the belief 
in light of educated responses is highly unreasonable).


In this case, we have a situation where it is essentially physically 
impossible for the two events to be connected. Even if the two bodies 
involved were once part of the same one (which is extremely unlikely), it 
would take a very long time for them to deviate so much in their orbits- 
meaning that it would still be a coincidence that they arrived at the same 
time.


There is no reasonable or likely mechanism for a body to split and produce 
products with radically different orbits.


Chris

***
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Cloudbait Observatory
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On 2/16/2013 12:40 PM, Michael Bross wrote:

Hi Chris

I am a scientist myself, in agronomy.
And I have learned to be more and more skeptical
about the common/obvious knowledge over the years...

You might be right... but be careful about your
high level of certainty...

Said with all respect to you but also Bjorn
who seems to have a point, if you take into
account what he said about a split before...

Anyway
lets enjoy your different arguments

Michael B.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Michael Bross]

Hi Rob

Your 1+1=2 doesn't convince me
BUT your Devil's Advocate much more...

I am glad I pursued on this, because NOW
I am getting a tangible answer

Thank you !

best regards to all

Michael B.

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From: Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:33 PM
To: 'Michael Bross' elemen...@peconic.net; 'Chris Peterson' 
c...@alumni.caltech.edu; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 
2012DA14related,yes I think so...


Hi Michael,


... I have learned to be more and more skeptical about the common/obvious
knowledge over the years... You might be right... but be careful about 
your

high level of certainty...


The level of celestial mechanical certainty involved here is comparable to 
the
uncertainty that 1+1 = 2. That said, I will play Devil's Advocate and 
mention

that
there is one rather far-out scenario which is probably still dynamically
impossible,
but I mention it out of completeness. Imagine an object (that was once 
part
of 2012 DA14) leading it by nearly a day on a slightly different 
trajectory.

(Forget for the moment that days if not weeks before the 2012 DA14 flyby
it would have been detected by astronomers that were already tracking
the larger asteroid.) Suppose this unlikely object happens to make an
extremely grazing pass of the lunar farside such that its direction is
drastically
bent by ~90 degrees -- in precisely the right direction for a grazing 
intercept
with Earth, say, 6 to 10 hours later. Such a 3-body solution is the ONLY 
way to

bring about the situation you require, and yet I would argue that the
probability
of it happening by chance is much, much smaller than that of two smallish
asteroids making a close pass by earth within 24 hours of each other.

Really, though, the failure to telescopically detect the second object 
ahead

of 2012 DA14 when it was being tracked by so many professionals and
citizen scientists throws a bit of cold water on the whole crazy scenario.

--Rob


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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Michael Bross]

Thank you Chris

I learned with your great answer.

Best regards

Michael B.


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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:50 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 
related, yes I think so...


It takes a large amount of energy to split a massive body into components 
with radically different orbits (and that these bodies have radically 
different orbits is known beyond reasonable doubt). That energy could be 
supplied explosively, as when a pair of bodies collide. But that amount of 
energy would create a lot of debris, which has not been observed. It is 
also statistically unlikely for it to occur very close to the Earth (as it 
would have to). Indeed, that is statistically much less likely than the 
simple passage of two bodies close to the Earth within a few hours of each 
other.


The other mechanism for creating different orbits is the actual one that 
describes much of what we see in terms of minor bodies in the Solar 
System, which is gravitational perturbation. What frequently goes 
unappreciated, however, is that three bodies are required. These are most 
often the asteroid/comet, Jupiter, and the Sun, but certainly other bodies 
are occasionally involved. The only potential body that could set up these 
different orbits so shortly before impact would be the Moon. But I don't 
believe that DA14 passed closely enough to the Moon to allow a tidal 
separation of asteroid components followed by the complex sort of 
slingshot effect that would be required to so dramatically change the 
inclination and velocity of the smaller component. Remember, DA14 has been 
under observation for a year.


So that's what I mean when I say that there seems to be no reasonable or 
likely scenario that could explain these bodies being related. But the 
odds of two such bodies being where they were at that time are not 
particularly long at all.


Chris

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On 2/16/2013 1:32 PM, Michael Bross wrote:

Ok... lets see.
because all the first part of your email
makes me reasonably think like you...
but then I read the end...

Quote:
There is no reasonable or likely mechanism for a body to split and
produce products with radically different orbits.

How sure are you about this... ?
Especially the reasonable and likely mechanism part
As I said before.

Anyway, sorry if I disturb the list but this doesn't sound like an 
evidence

to me

Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 related, yes I think so...

[Michael Bross]

yes
And I remember also that great documentary on PBS
(Nova I think) about the implications of the eruption
of the Krakatau in Indonesia in the 6th Century
made by an obscure scientist in UK
mocked and ridiculed for years by his pairs...
to end up that he was right about his theory.

Finally, corroborated by intense studies across major
science fields (arctic ice aging, archives at the Vatican etc... etc...)

Cheers

Michael



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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 11:24 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14 
related, yes I think so...




Thanks for your general positive comment on this discussion.
I would agree with you on the .'more and more skeptical' about some
output of so called scientific knowlegde over the years.

Say any scientist or budding scientist have a model on some kind of aspect
of nature. The model can be quite ok according to exact knowledge and 
observation

about this part of nature.
However, if you wrongly enter the wrong numbers (because of lack of good 
observations or
other misconceptions or sloppy or rushed work) the good quality model 
won't help you, you end up
with hopeless results. Be aware of this situation. And this situation 
happen all the time in science,
an incredible unfounded input of bad numbers. Particulary in astronomy, I 
would say, where so
much is hidden in the darkness of space and unrepeatable fleeting 
observations.


Take the case Chicxulub for instance. All of this hopeless numbers 
swirling about about size, energy,
entry angle, mass etc. Did it ever happen? Just 65 mill. years since it 
happened and where the
hell is its crater rim?? Should have been higher than Himalaya! Where is 
it?? Who observed this anyway :)
Assumptions, upon assumptions. Yet you hear dinosaur-killer all over the 
popular scientific press,

Discovery, National Geographic channel, etc, etc.
Serious geologist says the reason the dinosaurs perished was outpouring of 
kilometers thick lava sheets
expanding several times the size of my country. Polluted the atmosphere. 
They have found that dinosaurs died
out over hundred thousands of years, not in an instant as the impact 
theory will have it.
Super-volcano at the Deccan traps. No asteroid needed. Yet astronomers 
pour out their staggering Chicxulub numbers an an increasing rate. Easy to 
lie with numbers...


Take also the case of Carancas, Peru, Sept 15., 2007. Every known 
celestial mechanican,  geologist, astronomer,
meteoriticist denied the explosion at Carancas, Peru was a meteorite to 
the press. This was going on for weeks.
The sick hords of people was just sick, a meteorite fall does not make you 
sick, they said.
This was an metan explosion, military detonation at the border, whatever, 
but not a meteorite, the 'experts' said, actually the real experts. 
Meteorites does not produce a 13 m crater! The combined scientific elite 
denied this case. The Peruvian press still kept on reporting about the 
meteorite.
They were all put to shame when the Bureau of Mines (or similar name) in 
Lima, released their scientific study of the
fragments from the crater. It was soon in Meteoritical Bulletin 
thereafter. Going against all science establishments in the developed 
world. This disgraceful story was hardly commented afterwards by anyone.
So science can really go astray, and they often behave like a flock of 
volwes or a flock of sheep. So be alert and aware...


Bjørn Sørheim



Chris

I am a scientist myself, in agronomy.
And I have learned to be more and more skeptical
about the common/obvious knowledge over the years...

You might be right... but be careful about your
high level of certainty...

Said with all respect to you but also Bjorn
who seems to have a point, if you take into
account what he said about a split before...

Anyway
lets enjoy your different arguments

Michael B.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?

[Michael Bross]

Great one
Il like when the guy says (it looks like ?) Spoutnik...

Btw, in Alsace, France, there are news that a part of
Soyouz fell somewhere in Germany, crossing over France:
(http://www.dna.fr/edition-de-molsheim-schirmeck/2013/02/15/un-bout-de-lanceur-russe-dans-le-ciel-bas-rhinois)
Sorry, in French only

Michael B.


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To: Dan Miller dannysp...@gmail.com; Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com
Cc: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?


My favourite so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZE29zSJTcM





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An: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com
CC: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Gesendet: 17:42 Freitag, 15.Februar 2013
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Russian Meteor event?

Check out the many videos being posted now.  This event will have more
videos than any fall previous.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com wrote:

Hey List,

Anyone hearing reports of a major meteor in Russia in the past few
hours? Supposedly large shockwave blew out windows.

Some interesting videos have been popping up on youtube, judge for
yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c-0iwBEswE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5xMYRBpLSI

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Re: [meteorite-list] First Chelyabinsk Russia meteorite listed oneBay

[Michael Bross]

Looks like an alien... a pottery representing an alien...
weird...

Michael B.

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] First Chelyabinsk Russia meteorite listed 
oneBay



Could it really be?


Brandon D.

On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote:


Horrible picture and not much else, but here it is.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Meteorite-2012-DA14-Chelyabinsk-Russia-Asteroid-/271156715875?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f22332163





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[meteorite-list] OT- Hurricane Sandy

[Michael Bross]

Hello everyone,

Last year, for hurricane Irene, some people on the list gave us some
great links to weather radar maps around NY City and Long Island.
I am traveling and have those links only on my home computer.

Could someone please give me these links again ?
Thank you !

Wishing everybody in Sandy's path to be safe
Michael B. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Hurricane Sandy

[Michael Bross]

Thank you Mike and Darryl !

I got a private email with a link to the radar maps around NY (or 
elsewhere):

www.wunderground.com/wundermap/

Radar maps are the best (I feel) to follow rain/storm/hurricane paths.
This is the link I used last year for Irene and it did really help to see 
the real path

almost live...

Thank you Mike for your emergency and safety tool kit !

It seems that hurricanes have a tendency, lately, to hit NY state, Vermont 
and up North !

Something which didn't happen for many years.
I have the increasing feeling that a real real big one might hurt that 
region...


Thank you everyone
Stay safe and sound

Michael B.


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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT- Hurricane Sandy


Hi Friends in Northeast US,

As an unfortunate veteran of riding out hurricanes, I understand the
anxious anticipation and dread of an impending landfall of a
hurricane.  I've ridden out quite a few, including Katrina less than
50 miles west of the point of landfall - that was a scary one to ride
out in a 80-yo wood frame house and feeling the entire house vibrate
on the foundation.  The pipes were rattling so hard and the ground was
shaking (during the worst of it), that it felt like an earthquake
combined with a tornado.

Living most of my life on the Gulf Coast of the US, I've ridden out a
few close or direct hits, boarded up the house for several, and
evacuated entirely for another.  The evacuation should have been an 11
hour ride, which turned into a 26-hour hell drive.

At any rate, heed the warnings.  If the local authorities issue a
mandatory evacuation, heed that order and leave.  If you are under a
mandatory evac and you choose to remain in place, you will not have
emergency services at your call later if you get into trouble.  You
are on your own if you decide to ride out a storm inside an area where
the authorities cannot get to you.

Do not put tape on your windows.  I've seen people do that, again and
again, as a cheap/lazy alternative to boarding up.

Power outages can be lengthy in events like this.  So, if you have a
generator, make sure you have plenty of fuel for it.  If you don't
have a generator, then stock up on flashlights, lanterns, batteries,
and candles.

A propane powered camp stove is also a good idea, especially if your
house has an electric stove that will be useless during a power
outage.  At least you can boil water to make coffee and keep some of
your humanity that way.  ;)

Cordless landline phones will also be down.  So make sure you have an
old-school landline that doesn't need power.  Have a spare charged
battery for your cellphone also, if possible.  One of those little
solar-powered battery chargers is handy for extensive outages.

For for god's sake, stay off the roads during the event if at all 
possible.  :)


Stay safe,

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NOAA


Regularly updated Notifications re SANDY generally...

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/#SANDY

Updated Warnings for the Manhattan / Long Island Sound area

http://bitly.com/ReYFON

More general info with all the updated warnings for Manhattan / LIS

http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?textField1=40.7602619textField2=-73.9932872


All best



On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Michael Bross wrote:


Hello everyone,

Last year, for hurricane Irene, some people on the list gave us some
great links to weather radar maps around NY City and Long Island.
I am traveling and have those links only on my home computer.

Could someone please give me these links again ?
Thank you !

Wishing everybody in Sandy's path to be safe
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: A++ Kentland, IN Crater Shattercones and Impactites!!

[Michael Bross]

Hi List
Hi Brandon

Are you considering putting a price to your pieces ?
Or are you waiting for offers only ?

In my case, I don't consider buying if no price.

Regards
Michael B.


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From: b1dunov...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:53 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; b1dunov...@aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A++ Kentland,IN Crater Shattercones and 
Impactites!!



Hello again List,
 At the request of a few I am re posting the link to my photo album of 
different impactites from the Kentland Crater in Kentland, IN. If 
interested let me know. These are rarely available on the market and never 
this complete or large.

 http://picasaweb.google.com/103555700843987997365


These shattercones are the most detailed I have ever seen from anywhere 
around the world!  The pictures speak for themselves. New material has 
been cut and finished and is now added to the page so check it out!
 Make me an offer, sale or trade(meteorites or impactites) if the deal is 
right.


 Best Regards,
 Brandon D.
IMCA # 9312



-Original Message-
From: B lt;b1dunov...@aol.comgt;
To: meteorite-list lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;; 
meteorite-list lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;; meteorite-list 
lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;; meteorite-list 
lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;

Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:59 am
Subject: AD: A++ Kentland,IN Crater Shattercones and Impactites!!

Hello all,I recently made a trip to the impact crater in Kentland, Indiana 
and collected an array of beautiful Shattercones ranging from 25 gram 
fragments with beautiful horse-tail patterns to 25 pound complete cones 
that look like volcanoes, to pieces with multiple complete points. Some 
even have ammonites and other fossils on one side and beautiful 
Shattercones on the other.Kentland crater is an impact structure in 
Indiana that is around 97 million years old.  The remnant crater is about 
13km in diameter and is the result of an ancient, catastrophic impact from 
a medium-large size meteorite.I have several cones that point in opposite 
directions as well as some that are flatter yet display Shattercones on 
several sides, some pointing different directions.


These are all preserved in limestone and dolomite so they are extremely 
well detailed and display beautifully.In addition to Shattercones I also 
have amazing cold flow breccias,polymict breccias with amazing shock veins 
and clast, monomict breccias, and others I cannot describe as I cannot 
find many pictures online about Kentland material in the variety I 
have.These are absolutely beautiful- some fit for museum display easily. 
Kentland shattercones are rarely seen as anything more then small 
fragments, A++quality material is rarely available if ever! I've uploaded 
some photos of a few shattercones which can be viewed by following the 
following link;http://picasaweb.google.com/103555700843987997365I will be 
adding other pieces over the next few days. If you see something your 
interested in, make me an offer. Trade offers are welcome as well, just 
email me off list.


Don't miss your opportunity to add some of this scarce material to our 
collection.


Best offers will be accepted. Meteorites preferred for trade, but breccia 
impactitites welcome.


Thanks,Brandon D.
Chicago, IL
IMCA #9312
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: A++ Kentland, IN Crater Shattercones and Impactites!!

[Michael Bross]

Sorry, I didn't see the prices !
Either you added them or I didn't open the fotos the right way

You have some beautiful pieces.
Will look further when time
Thanks

Michael B.

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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: A++ Kentland, IN Crater Shattercones and 
Impactites!!



Hi Michael,

I have prices for each piece in the main description, and some pictures 
open up to smaller  cut samples that too are priced.


If you have a question about a specific pieces, you need only ask.

Thanks,
Brandon D.


-Original Message-
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: A++ Kentland, IN Crater Shattercones and 
Impactites!!



Hi List
Hi Brandon

Are you considering putting a price to your pieces ?
Or are you waiting for offers only ?

In my case, I don't consider buying if no price.

Regards
Michael B.


--
From: b1dunov...@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 7:53 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; b1dunov...@aol.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: A++ Kentland,IN Crater Shattercones and
Impactites!!


Hello again List,
 At the request of a few I am re posting the link to my photo album

of

different impactites from the Kentland Crater in Kentland, IN. If
interested let me know. These are rarely available on the market and

never

this complete or large.
 http://picasaweb.google.com/103555700843987997365


These shattercones are the most detailed I have ever seen from

anywhere

around the world!  The pictures speak for themselves. New material

has

been cut and finished and is now added to the page so check it out!
 Make me an offer, sale or trade(meteorites or impactites) if the

deal is

right.

 Best Regards,
 Brandon D.
IMCA # 9312



-Original Message-
From: B lt;b1dunov...@aol.comgt;
To: meteorite-list lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;;
meteorite-list lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;;

meteorite-list

lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;; meteorite-list
lt;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comgt;
Sent: Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:59 am
Subject: AD: A++ Kentland,IN Crater Shattercones and Impactites!!

Hello all,I recently made a trip to the impact crater in Kentland,

Indiana

and collected an array of beautiful Shattercones ranging from 25 gram
fragments with beautiful horse-tail patterns to 25 pound complete

cones

that look like volcanoes, to pieces with multiple complete points.

Some

even have ammonites and other fossils on one side and beautiful
Shattercones on the other.Kentland crater is an impact structure in
Indiana that is around 97 million years old.  The remnant crater is

about

13km in diameter and is the result of an ancient, catastrophic impact

from

a medium-large size meteorite.I have several cones that point in

opposite

directions as well as some that are flatter yet display Shattercones

on

several sides, some pointing different directions.

These are all preserved in limestone and dolomite so they are

extremely

well detailed and display beautifully.In addition to Shattercones I

also

have amazing cold flow breccias,polymict breccias with amazing shock

veins

and clast, monomict breccias, and others I cannot describe as I

cannot

find many pictures online about Kentland material in the variety I
have.These are absolutely beautiful- some fit for museum display

easily.

Kentland shattercones are rarely seen as anything more then small
fragments, A++quality material is rarely available if ever! I've

uploaded

some photos of a few shattercones which can be viewed by following

the

following link;http://picasaweb.google.com/103555700843987997365I

will be

adding other pieces over the next few days. If you see something your
interested in, make me an offer. Trade offers are welcome as well,

just

email me off list.

Don't miss your opportunity to add some of this scarce material to

our

collection.

Best offers will be accepted. Meteorites preferred for trade, but

breccia

impactitites welcome.

Thanks,Brandon D.
Chicago, IL
IMCA #9312
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Re: [meteorite-list] Linseed/Flaxseed Oil

[Michael Bross]

Ok, thank you William.

I knew about the auto ignition properties of this oil,
on rags or brushes.

My question doesn't seem to interest my dear fellow listers

Anyway
Great weekend to all

Michael B.



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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Linseed/Flaxseed Oil



Apologies to those who already know this. The old warning about oily rags
catching fire is true, just that petroleum oil is very unlikely to do
this so most people ignore the warnings. Natural oils are more likely to
do this, with Linseed/Flaxseed topping the list. Not only can it catch
fire, it *will* catch fire if left wadded up.

Sorry, I have no clue about using it on meteorites. Be great on wooden
handled magnet sticks.
--
William

On Thursday 14 June 2012, Michael Bross wrote:

Hi everyone

By sheer coincidence I met someone advising to use Linseed/Flaxseed oil
to protect and finish an antique wood furniture. (from my 100 years old
grandma, btw)

He also uses that oil to protect and nourish very old coins or other
old, oxidized artifacts he founds.

Has anyone used that oil for meteorites ? I am thinking about
potentially high rusting meteorites...
And... what are the outcomes ?

Thanks for any feedback


Michael B.



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[meteorite-list] Linseed/Flaxseed Oil

[Michael Bross]

Hi everyone

By sheer coincidence I met someone advising to use Linseed/Flaxseed oil
to protect and finish an antique wood furniture. (from my 100 years old 
grandma, btw)


He also uses that oil to protect and nourish very old coins or other old, 
oxidized artifacts he founds.


Has anyone used that oil for meteorites ? I am thinking about potentially 
high rusting meteorites...

And... what are the outcomes ?

Thanks for any feedback


Michael B. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks

[Michael Bross]

Thank you Graham
Hi list

But why those displays always have to be so ugly !
It takes so much out of the inherent charm of the objects !

Beautiful Rowton meteorite

Good evening everyone
Michael B.


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To: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks


Yes...Jeff/all,

A group of us from BIMS recently were shown the Apollo 17 plaque at
the NHM Londonpicture/s here...

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Meteorites/?action=viewcurrent=UklunarSample.jpg

Graham

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Yes, I recently handled one of the Apollo 17 plaques, and it contained a
nice chip, maybe a cm across.

Jeff 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks

[Michael Bross]

Sorry list
personal message to Tim Heitz who sent me a nice answer to my post:

Tim, I responded but got an email saying that in order for you to
receive my answer, I have to fill a form for you to consider me as no
spam.

Sorry, I don't want to go thru such process, that is actually new to me
after about 14 years of internet practice...

So, just to let you know that I enjoyed your answer and will certainly
try to come to St Louis to see the Martian meteorite display

All the best everyone
Michael B.



--
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:31 AM
To: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com; Jeff Grossman 
jngross...@gmail.com

Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks


Thank you Graham
Hi list

But why those displays always have to be so ugly !
It takes so much out of the inherent charm of the objects !

Beautiful Rowton meteorite

Good evening everyone
Michael B.


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From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:15 AM
To: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks


Yes...Jeff/all,

A group of us from BIMS recently were shown the Apollo 17 plaque at
the NHM Londonpicture/s here...

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/Meteorites/?action=viewcurrent=UklunarSample.jpg

Graham

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Yes, I recently handled one of the Apollo 17 plaques, and it contained a
nice chip, maybe a cm across.

Jeff


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Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Rocks

[Michael Bross]

Hi everyone

I was a kid in Strasbourg, Alsace, France... when the first men
landed on the moon.

We went to the nearby street, to see in the window of the local newspaper,
on a small BW TV with a dozen other people that amazing event.

There were barely any TV at that time in France.

I still remember the scene and the immense joy looking at the LEM landing
and the first steps on the Moon.

A couple years later, a movie theater (now gone), after re-showing the great
Stanley Kubrick movie 2001, a space odyssey had a show about the Apollo
program and showed some space rocks and other artifacts and photos.

I was on stretches... after a stupid strained ligament on a high jump, the 
sport

teacher not letting me warm up sufficiently after me being late...

OK, I am talking about my personal life... and don't want to bother you more
with it... but those are unforgettable strong memories.

Later, I followed every televised Moon adventure: the tragic but great 
ending Apollo 13,

the extensive Apollo 14 saga etc...

And now, I would love to have some memorabilia about Apollo, not a Moon rock
but something great.

If anyone can point to something great and decent in price... please let me 
know.

Just like a nice badge of one of these great adventures...

Thanks
Michael B. 


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[meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...

[Michael Bross]

Dear list

I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now.

I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on
on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more
and more important etc... etc...

Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the 
prices...

and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel.

I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about 
Meteorites

in a spiritual, metaphysical way.
Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more...
soo much more... don't you agree ?!

Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France,
a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th.
I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel)
,some are fossils or dendrites or both...
... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy !

Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what
really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc...

Regards
Michael B. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...

[Michael Bross]

Sorry Michael !

I wasn't talking about YOUR approach... and the real meteorite
seekers, lovers, like you... but about the frenzy gold rush in general.

Which we can all see thru the too numerous ebay offers and other ludicrous
aspects in the last months...

all the best !

Michael B.



--
From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 8:35 PM
To: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites, state of our world etc...

I agree that the financial aspect of meteorites is difficult, yet who is 
going to pay the expenses of hunters like myself who often risk life or at 
least thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to go around the world and 
bring them back?
If those who don't like the prices want to fund my trips up front, taking 
the same risks I take, perhaps to lose all their money, the I will send 
you my bank account # to prepay for your specimens up front. Of course if 
I don't get any or get robbed then you

Lose all your money, any takers?
Michael Farmer

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote:



Dear list

I am really enjoying following this forum for many years now.

I also have to say, that it is a great mirror of what is going on
on our Earth, in our World... with the crisis, the $$$ being more
and more important etc... etc...

Just glad I didn't become too crazy about Meteorites, I mean for the 
prices...

and the quite new trend and kind of mainstream gold rush feel.

I really want to thank everyone here that continues to discuss about 
Meteorites

in a spiritual, metaphysical way.
Because, beyond the human greed... the meteorites are much more...
soo much more... don't you agree ?!

Last sunday, I was in an abandoned ex-Royal Quarry in France,
a quarry opened up by Louis the 14th.
I was with a friend, we found some amazing looking rocks (shape and feel)
,some are fossils or dendrites or both...
... they are worth... a couple $$$... but so MUCH in feel and joy !

Here my 2 cents... in a world which is somehow loosing track to what
really matters... feelings, roots, our human condition... etc...

Regards
Michael B.
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Re: [meteorite-list] solar eclipse

[Michael Bross]

Hi Larry and List.

Beautiful maps and website !
Thank you !

Michael B.

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From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 5:09 AM
To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net
Cc: 'Meteorite-list List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] solar eclipse


Richard:

The solar eclipse is on May 20 in the late afternoon.

http://eclipse-maps.com/Eclipse-Maps/Gallery/Pages/Annular_solar_eclipse_of_2012_May_20.html

Larry 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse

[Michael Bross]

Hello Martin, Sterling and all

I am not a specialist but French and loving frog legs (with garlic of
course)

As far as I know, we only eat frog legs, not toad legs.
But more importantly, frogs and toads belong, for many years now,
to the endangered species list in France, thereby, you will eat
frog legs coming from Asia (which are much much bigger
and much less tastier... quite disgusting actually) unless you are in one of
the
few areas where they are not in danger, like in Alsace... and a very very
few more !

I would have to check, Toulouse might be one of them, but not sure

Anyway...
Enjoy your trip to Toulouse, Martin.

Michael B.


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From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 5:10 PM
To: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de; MexicoDoug 
mexicod...@aim.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse


Dear Martin,


Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin
secretion still have an effect once they are deep-fried?


The answer is YES.

Bufotenin (also known as bufotenine and cebilcin),
or 5-hydroxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-HO-DMT or
5-OH-DMT) has a very high boiling point of 320 C.
The vapors above or below that temperature are still
psychoactively potent, as are the liquid and crystal
forms (melts about 146 C).

Depending on the mode of administration, bufotenin
is more likely to produce dangerous cardiac effects
than visions.

While it is possible that deep-frying would evaporate
the bufotenin and hence remove most of it from the
toad's skin, I'd stick with the frogs' legs, if I were you.


Sterling K. Webb
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From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de
To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com; 
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2012 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse



Hi Doug,

don't worry. You can rely on the fact that if I manage to visit the 
Toulouse exhibition

this summer, I will provide you all with some interesting photos. ;-)

As for toads, escargots or anything else that might pour down
on me, there is no worry either since I bought THIS at the last art 
exhibition I visited.


FRITTI NIRODA - the METEORITE TRAP
made out of baskets for deep fat fryers

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3403/5794279846_b9ab0fc403.jpg
http://vimeo.com/24591320

I will carry it on top of a rod instead of a sunshade when being in 
Toulouse. ;-)


I'm a bit worried though...

Does the hallucinogenic alkaloid of a toad's skin secretion still have an 
effect

once they are deep-fried?

I don't want to be stoned before seeing the stones...

Best wishes,

Martin


Von: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
An: karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de, r...@free.fr, 
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse
Datum: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 18:15:38 +0200

Dear List,  Dr. Mathieu, and Martin;

Martin, if you do or anyone does make it there, please remember your
friends on the list who won't have the opportunity to vacation or visit
the lovely southern latuitudes of France and post us a nice picture for
the admiring meteorite-list of this historical group of stones.  So
much to do on vacation there - see this Toulouse meteorite exhibit,
then go to the Space Center and Space City, the Kennedy Space Center
analog and lots more, of France.

Watch out if you take the low road, as nearby Toulouse was the site of
a Toad-storm from an inclement thundering sky, Two shocked horsemen had
to put on their overcoats while being Toad-hammered, and gallop out of
their as fast as they could, to reach a stage coach also on the way to
Toulouse that witnessed the event, saw many small toads still on the
unfortunate horsemen's cloaks and when it passed through the spot
trampled many thousands of toads of all sizes.  (I wonder if the
meteorite in any way biased this report?)

A rain of escargot snails might have been more comical for France, but
maybe they were toads, frogs, whatever -- after all the toadstorm was
1834 and even today frogs and toads are varied and not recognized by
science as distinct animals.  Fried frogs are a delicious part of
French cuisine that is required to try for all Beefeaters attending the
exposition ;-)

Kindest wishes
Doug





-Original Message-
From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de
To: rm31 r...@free.fr; Meteorite-list
Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, Apr 8, 2012 7:31 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bicentenary of the meteorite of Toulouse


Congratulations, Dr. Mathieu, on having organised this very interesting
exhibition.

The beautiful city of Toulouse, la « ville rose »,  is always worth a
visit !

I'll try to visit this exhibition this summer!

Best wishes

Martin


Von: r...@free.fr
An: 

Re: [meteorite-list] Weather Underground / NOAA

[Michael Bross]

Hi Darryl and everyone

It seems that the worst has gone.

Mal Bishop also recommended Weather Underground and a link where
you can customize and choose which radar to look from.
It was really helpful with quite some detailed information
like localized wind direction etc...

Than you again Mal !

You could clearly see the path that Irene was taking and forget about the
hype that some networks like to maintain.

Part of Mal Bishop previous email:
[Here a local real-time map you  can customize.

(http://www.wunderground.com/radar/radblast.asp?ID=JFKlat=0lon=0label=youtype=TR0zoommode=panmap.x=400map.y=240¢erx=400¢ery=240prevzoom=zoomnum=10delay=15scale=1showlabels=1s 
mooth=1noclutter=0showstorms=99rainsnow=1lightning=1remembersettings=onsetprefs.0.key=RADNUMsetprefs.0.val=10setprefs.1.key=RADSPDsetprefs.1.val=15setprefs.2.key=RADCsetprefs.2.val=0setprefs.3.key=RADSTMsetprefs.3.val=99setprefs.4.key=SLABSsetprefs.4.val=1setprefs.5.key=RADRMSsetprefs.5.val=1setprefs.6.key=RADLITsetprefs.6.val=1setprefs.7.key=RADSMOsetprefs.7.val=1)


I just choose the NY area for you and your friends so you could see
immediately what you can do to customize the radar map ...zoom in, zoom out,
show individual storms  within Irene, etc.]

Stay safe
All the best !
Michael




From: Darryl Pitt
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 7:45 PM
To: Meteorite-list List ; Rob Matson
Subject: [meteorite-list] Weather Underground / NOAA



Hi Again,

Rob Matson was gracious to privately informed me that while he refers to 
NOAA sites, he believes Weather Underground is far superior in a variety of 
ways as the go-to weather source.


It was not my intent to contradict Rob and his expertise; if he says 
underground is the way to go I'm signing on.Thanks for the weather 
advisory.   ;-)



All best / d


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[meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

[Michael Bross]

Hello everyone

I have dear friends in NY and Long Island.
Do someone know a truly reliable website to follow Irene ?

Thank you very much !
Michael B.
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

[Michael Bross]

Thank you Mal and everyone

The site looks good.
I am using :
(http://www.news12.com/weather/weather_main.jsp?section=weather_today_tonight®ion_name=LI)
which is a local news channel

Irene is downgraded to category 1, but... it is so huge (500 miles wide)
that big flooding can be expected, comment from someone who lived
Andrew in Miami in 1983

best wishes to all !!!
Michael




From: Mal Bishop
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:00 PM
To: Michael Bross
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene


Michael - have them try wunderground.com  (e.g. weather underground ) as 
I've been using it for years.
I find it very reliable, up -to-date, and like it better than the weather 
channels info on their site.


Even the free, unsubscribed version has everything ...it's just not 
advertisement free basically that's all.
Have them (and you) look it over and see if it meets their needs, as well as 
yours.


http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at201109.html

http://www.wunderground.com/

Best of luck to your friends in NY and surrounding areas!
My son and I think and pray for the least impact to all as can happen under 
these conditions no happening for all

along the eastern seaboard!

With best wishes to all-
Mal 


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Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene

[Michael Bross]

Yes, sorry...
I thought it was 1993, mistyped, but it was 1992.
I went to Miami a couple days after Andrew.
Some parts, especially poor neighborhoods with
trailers etc... were devastated.

Michael



From: meteoriteguy.com
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:36 PM
To: Michael Bross
Cc: Mal Bishop ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT_ Irene


Andrew was august 92.
Met my wife the day after it, getting on an ARMY ship in Tampa. Was supposed 
to fly to Key West that day. Of course that would have been a rough flight. 
Drove to Tampa and met the ship which had fled the keys to Tampa ahead of 
the storm.

Fun times.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 27, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote:


Thank you Mal and everyone

The site looks good.
I am using :
(http://www.news12.com/weather/weather_main.jsp?section=weather_today_tonight®ion_name=LI)
which is a local news channel

Irene is downgraded to category 1, but... it is so huge (500 miles wide)
that big flooding can be expected, comment from someone who lived
Andrew in Miami in 1983

best wishes to all !!!
Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Cat Mountain on EBay

[Michael Bross]

Sorry for the OT, Art and List
But Count Deiro started it... and just can't refrain myself...


Would have thought that so many honorary titles would have you/make you 
humble...
which is the ultimate goal of such knights... spirits... that held/hold the 
titles

you seem to have...

Guess not... Dear Count... (just trying to stay polite...)

A Count is just and only a title given by a few terrestrial beings... 
nothing more.
Because in your case, I really don't think any divine high spirited being 
has interacted !


Your sordid accumulation of titles ...
the way you spill them to the plebeians...  is just simply absolutely 
repulsive !


You might be a Count... but such a weak, dull spirit compared to my 
simple

but wise 100 years old grandma...

Cheers... Dear Count...

And no cheers to some s...ckers... with $$$ in their minds.
Poor souls...

Yes, I love meteorites for the soul they carry... not their terrestrial 
futile value !


Michael B.



From: Count Deiro
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:01 AM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Cat Mountain on EBay




-Forwarded Message-

From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net
Sent: Aug 21, 2011 6:50 PM
To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay

Dear Utas,

I am Count Guido Roberto Deiro, Lord of Selasco, Precorsano, Canavese and 
Deiro Inferiore e Superiore. (Italian counties in the Region of Piedmonte, 
Italy). I am a member of the Italian Royal House of Savoia (The exiled King 
of Italy's household.) and hold the position of Guadia d'Honore del Tombe 
del Re.
(Thats one of the select noblemen who guards the Tomb of the King of Italy 
in the Parthenon. (The oldest building in Rome.) Italy's George Washington.


A public school in Salto Canavese, Torino, Italy has been named 
L'Acadameia d'Count Deiro in my honor for my subscriptions and support in 
the construction of the facility which serves over 500 grade school 
children in the Valle d'Orco.


I am a Knight Grand Cross and the Grand Chancellor of the Sovereign 
Dynastic Order of St. John - Knights of Malta (One of the oldest orders of 
chivalry in the world.). And a Knight Grand Cross of the Sovereign Military 
Order of St. George. Both positions were aquired through a lifetime of work 
supporting International Red Cross and Refugee Relief on four continents. 
These investitures can only be made by a King, Queen, Prince or Princess. 
In my case, HRH King Michael of Romania, HRH Prince Henri of France and HRH 
Eric von Pappenheim of Germany.


The Governor of the State of Nevada proclaimed that December 29th of each 
year is to be known as Count Deiro Day. The Governor of the State of 
Kentucky  commissioned me a Colonel in the State Guard. (The late Colonel 
Sanders was also an officer.) The City of Las Vegas proclaimed me an 
Outstanding Citizen and named a boulevard Count Deiro Drive. These 
honors were granted in recognition of my years of service to the less 
fortunate citizens of those localities.


Finally, I will only print the operative words in the Certificate of 
Recognition from the United States of America. This Citation recognizes 
certain  services performed by me on behalf of this country  the 
citizens of this country are forever grateful.  Signed. Donald Rumsfeld - 
Secretary of Defense.


I wrote this self serving rant as a paen to your abject stupidity and lack 
of social graces. You do not, even in this armpit of society, adress 
personages of nobility and condition by their surnames. It is a huge 
insult. Akin to calling you a MF or a CS. And my surname is spelled 
Deiro. Pronounced day-row like in dago  :0)


I trust we will not meet in the future lest I swipe a glove across your 
countenance! You have insulted me and I have a right to satisfaction. 
(Note, Rolling Stones 1965). Before accepting and arranging the meetings of 
seconds, you may wish to avail yourself of information concerning my 
ability with swords and firearms. You will find that I am a Prevost d'Armes 
of the International Academie d'Escrime in Foil, Epee' and Saber. Further, 
I am a Certified NRA Instructor with ratings in Home Firearm Safety, Armed 
Personal Defense, Refuse to be a Victim and Pistol.


Nah...Jason and ListThis was all written for laughs...although it is 
accuratebut really, it's not nice to insult, or beliitle people you 
don't really know anything about.  You may be surptised whose ox you have 
gored.


Now, as to your fascination with the story of the recent Cat Mountain 
finds. Why concern yourself? You aren't in a position to buy any of it.. 
and it's too late now cause it's all gone!  Gone... To happy campers.


Regards,

Guido





-Original Message-

From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com
Sent: Aug 20, 2011 10:20 PM
To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on EBay

Hello All,
Greg is correct; unless the meteorites 

Re: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - a paper on its manufacture

[Michael Bross]

Hi Bob and list

The analyses:
Metallic powder, olivine etc...
Iron: 78%   Nickel:18.25%
A general structure close to a pallasite

The metallic powder structure shows that sintering was used (frittage)
The powder was produced by atomization under gas.

It is a manufactured stone.
So they decided to reproduce that stone.
They got something close to the Shirokovsky but didn't go further
because of the money needed etc..

Their conclusion:
manufactured product, mainly with metallic powder and sintering process

All the best
Michael B.




From: Bob King
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:54 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Shirokovsky - a paper on its manufacture


Hi everyone,
I received this from a list member on Shirokovsky's origin. It's a
French paper from 2005. Would anyone care to translate some of the key
points?
Thanks,
Bob

Dransart, E., and P. Guérin, 2005, Pseudo meteorite de
shirokovsky. analyses metallurgiques et reconstitution
metallo-pierreuse par la technique de la metallurgie
des poudres [Pseudo meteorite shirokovsky
metallurgical analyse and stone reconstitution trial
by powder metallurgical process.] Observations 
Travaux. vol. 61, pp. 2-9 (SAO/NASA Astrophysics
Data System (ADS))
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2005OT612D
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay

[Michael Bross]

a Cat wouldn't find its kitten here/there...
just kidding...
(a saying in French meaning: a messy or complicated situation or place)


All the best
Michael B.




From: Ruben Garcia
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:40 PM
To: Regine Petersen
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; wahlpe...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cat Mountain on Ebay


Sorry, the correct weight for Cat Mountain 2 was around 168 grams
before a small cut was made and 164.5 after.

here it is
http://s1090.photobucket.com/albums/i361/Airmuseum1/Meteorite%20Finds/



On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote:

Oops, I forgot to say that the original Cat Mountain was named Cat
Mountain. The second stone, the size of a pecan - if there is one  -
was never classified. So it has no number. My half stone 61.03 grams
from the 107 total stone weight is Cat Mountain 1 and the 168 gram
Stone is Cat Mountain 2



On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:47 AM, Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de 
wrote:

Hi Sonny and list,

can someone clarify some things for me? I find it a bit confusing, so 
excuse me if I ask obvious questions. These are the facts as far as I 
have understood them:


Apart from the first Cat Mountain find there was Snyder Hill, which was 
not part of the same fall and only found while looking for further Cat 
Mountain pieces. There was another small Cat Mountain found by Robert 
Haag which didn't get classified. Now hunters were searching the Snyder 
Hill site and found two more Cat Mountains which are now sold on ebay.


Who found the rocks, Count Deiro or the hunters who have also found the 
Snyder Hill piece? Who is selling them? And why was the third rock which 
was found designated 001? The second one hasn't been classified, but 
wouldn't the original find get the first number?


Pretty amazing finds :-)
Regine



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Re: [meteorite-list] Alleged illegal behavior

[Michael Bross]

Dear Naveen and List

This is quite surreal... but no, not surreal anymore in our times.

First, Naveen, no matter how big your wealth is, how can you buy
anything for such an amount without seeing it, touching it... ?!
(if this shocks you... read some Albert Einstein thoughts...)

You could have flown to Europe or invited them to US for pennies
in regard to the amount of the deal you are talking about !
I know, there was the refund policy ! Nevertheless...

I am flabbergasted !

I don't know personally the 2 Germans involved, but being a follower
on this list for many years, Martin seems all but far away from a crook.


Now 2 OTs, and this in the same pursuit as yours in ethical manners and 
philosophy:
(I could have sent you these questions privately, but as Anne Black said, 
you put her
private emails on this list, without her knowledge and/or consent, so be 
it...)


1- how do you combine hoping to mine resources from the Moon (your Moon 
Express adventure)

and touting yourself a philanthropist ? Sounds contradictory to me.
Please let me know where I am wrong on this.

2- having lived many years in USA, and looking at your other creation, 
Intelius,

Why can't I see what information is collected on me there, without having
to pay for it ? Is that ethical ? Not sure about it... ultimately...

Anyway, I hope your matter will be resolved, but would very much like
you to answer my 2 last points. (privately or on the List)

Thank you...

Ethically yours...

Michael Brosse 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage

[Michael Bross]

Hi Doug, List,

What do you mean with many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros ?
Billion is called Milliard (and subsequent language variations) and has 9 
zeros, like Giga.


All the best
MB



From: MexicoDoug
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 3:54 AM
To: c...@alumni.caltech.edu ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage


Many Europeans consider the billion with 12 zeros (1,000,000,000,000),
while in the US and many other countries, it has been considered nine
zeros, a thousand million.  Giga has the benefit of only referring to
nine zeros everywhere ... 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage

[Michael Bross]

Dear Doug and List

I guess you opened the Pandora box...
But, thanks, I would have never thought there were so many differences !

But, please, Doug, don't think and say Europe when you mean UK etc...
They drive on the wrong side... and for a French like me, they are the 
Perfid

Albion... the weirdest human beings on Earth ... just kidding of course !
(I say it with a more than a friendly tone ! )

On the other hand, I was surprised by the Spanish answer from Leo...
I naively thought that Billion/Milliard was of the same magnitude in the 
Iberic

Peninsula... well... I was wrong, I guess.

Glad to see the answer from Göran from Sweden: like in France ! Finally !

I guess this definitely shows that Europe is still only a patchwork of 
very
diverse cultures and meanings, which is more than ok, but with no main 
common

future in sight for a while... as it seems, looking at political turnouts.

Hope we don't need a Secession War to accord our views... well...
In the mean time, the emerging countries might solve that for all. So be it.

And sorry for the OT, but I am 50 years old, have seen many atrocities on 
our terrestrial world

but what just happened in Norway... is a Horror movie made Real !
Different then others, different from 9/11 and others... but of the same 
magnitude.


All the best to you and your loved ones...

MB




From: MexicoDoug
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 7:23 PM
To: koro...@wustl.edu ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 
elemen...@peconic.net ; supeind...@hotmail.com ; aknoe...@minorplanets.de

Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: term definitions and usage


Michael, Andre, and Leo
A billion in Mexico is even scarier than the two versions in the USA and 
Europe. Like Leo says, from Spain, 10^9 is a thousand million is common, 
but the proximity to the US and overflow/translations of news have made it a 
big mess in meaning - at least in the northeast and billion for 10^9 is 
often used, erroneous or not, and I must admit to never hearing anyone use a 
billion for 10^12, but it must be.

That was a very complete website link on big numbers, Andre, thanks.
Randy,
Perfect follow-up - as corny as I may sound, may I add that your/his 
nano-gigaannum joke is timeless ;-) Must have been fun to watch as a 
young entrant (and think ... I'm never going to turn into that...)  I still 
use mya, habits are hard to break when they seem to flow so easily, like 
writing I'm instead of I am.

Everyone/
I won't forget my extended trip to Pakistan some time ago. Over there and in 
India, when speaking of the value of a house, for example, the base big unit 
is a lakh (rupee). It is 100,000. Took a little adjustment since everything 
in Europe and the Americas is based on triplets of zeros. I was all giddy 
feeling like Johnny Quest as soon as I mastered the concept of lakh and used 
it every chance I got...
The trivial name differences between the long and short European/American 
system might be humorous to some of them, everyone is always finds some 
cultural thing to defend for the preservation of life and liberty (similar 
to Randy's account). Just three years ago at a major star party I was 
discussing my meteorites with someone in the chow line and one of the (few) 
women flipped out when she heard me speak of grams, This is America, speak 
American - we use ounces here! I was admonished very sharply. I was hungry 
so the answer was 'yes, ma'am', but dinner didn't taste so good as it should 
have for some sad reason ... something to do with being at a gathering of 
fellow astronomers...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are big Chinese numbers are based on [10^4]^i.
Kindest wishes
Doug


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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SDO video

[Michael Bross]

Thank you very much Jeff !

I was first going to answer privately, but I want to share
my irritation with the list.

I cannot believe that I got a private complain about my question !
This list is really a pretty good mirror of our ever increasing aggressive 
world...


A list where the Delete key is of great use...

All the best from France...
Michael




From: Jeff Kuyken
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:03 PM
To: Michael Bross ; E.P. Grondine ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SDO video


Hi Michael,

It may have been the one I posted last week?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rev8vHjBq88

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc 


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Re: [meteorite-list] NASA SDO video

[Michael Bross]

Hi E.P. and All

Could you please send the link you are referring to, again ?
Not SL9 but the previous one.
Either I missed it or deleted it.
Thank you !

Michael B.



From: E.P. Grondine
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 6:17 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] NASA SDO video


Hi all -

Thanks for the link - truly magnificent.

Now where to hell is the NASA video of the fragments of SL 9 hitting 
Jupiter?


Its only been 14 years now.

How incompetenet does Ed Weiler have to be before he gets fired?

E.P. 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Trying to contact Joe Kerchner Ensisheim show

[Michael Bross]

Dear Zelimir

I guess you might have a problem with your mailbox or server.
I sent you a private email (from France), and it seems you didn't get it.
(I didn't get any email from my ISP stating that my email to you didn't make 
it)


Michael B.



From: zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr
Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:58 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Trying to contact Joe Kerchner  Ensisheim show


Dear List,

Sorry to have to use this kind of contact.

I am desperately trying to contact Joe Kerchner for a very urgent reason.
Apparently he does not receive any of my numerous mails while I can
read him perfectly.
Possibly there is a problem with his mail box?

Today, he tried to contact me through the list.
I replied (him specifically) but he still can't read me.

Could someone from the list help me in concacting Joe and tell him
that he should try to find out a way to read my messages?
But through this message I believe Joe can (finally!) read me ?

Or is somebody willing me to receive my message for Joe and send him
(in case it is my server that is responsible for the lack of contact) ?

Thanks to all!

Zelimir 


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Re: [meteorite-list] New York Times Article

[Michael Bross]

Hello everyone

Unfortunately, the NYTimes like most of the journalistic institutions
worldwide, is increasingly copying the internet media in sensationalism...

I have been a long time reader of the online version, usually there is 
a place at the bottom of an article for comments. Here there is none.


But I have seen corrections (or additions) made afterwards.
At least with the online version this is possible, that was not the case
with the only paper version.

I am quite sure that with all the mails sent to the NYTimes, something
will come out of it.

Clear skies
Michael B.
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Re: [meteorite-list] So all meteorites are illegal?

[Michael Bross]

and again the subject line changing...
and now we might have 3 threads for the same discussion.

I really don't get this forum anarchy with subject lines...

Cheers
Michael B.



From: Richard Kowalski
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:31 PM
To: meteorite list
Subject: [meteorite-list] So all meteorites are illegal?


Thanks Dirk for posting your links.

A direct one to the NY Times article
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html?pagewanted=1_r=1hp

An interesting quote:
“It’s a black market,” said Ralph P. Harvey, a geologist at Case Western 
Reserve University who directs the federal search for meteorites in 
Antarctica. “It’s as organized as any drug trade and just as illegal.”


Either Dr. Harvey is mis-informed, mis-quoted or is in the camp of 
misinformed scientists that believe meteorite ownership should be illegal to 
all.



Good to see Anne B quoted in the article

--
Richard Kowalski
Full Moon Photography
IMCA #1081
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Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required

[Michael Bross]

Great link, Mark

The French equivalent of the Library of Congress.
Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there...

The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right)
A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here:
(= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose)
Please respect this waiver.

Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu
En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions 
d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte


and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection

Good luck !
Michael B.





From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM
To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite 
fall required



Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read
the article on line.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts
Briarcliff Manor, NY
USA

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http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts
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Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Mark !

I have been enjoying your links in the past year.
I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions !

Btw, here are other archives, you might know already...
http://www.archive.org/

Thanks again !
Michael B.




From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM
To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite 
fall required



Yes,  it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older
Philsophical Transactions.

Mark

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net

To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites
m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff
msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite
fall required



Great link, Mark

The French equivalent of the Library of Congress.
Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there...

The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right)
A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here:
(= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose)
Please respect this waiver.

Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu
En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des conditions 
d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte


and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection

Good luck !
Michael B.





From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM
To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite fall required



Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read
the article on line.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts
Briarcliff Manor, NY
USA

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http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required

[Michael Bross]

yes, you did give away one of your secrets...
But for the pleasure of some... :-)

I have been searching the BNF for quite some time, but always in French.
Stupid of me...
I just heard that they are going to put much more documents online
in the coming year, a partnership with an American firm.

Please, listers, do respect the non-commercial use of the documents
you download, or ask for permits !
or this would be another wasted source of knowledge...

Thanks again Mark, I will look more into the Philosophical Transactions...

Michael B.



From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:35 AM
To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite 
fall required



Not many people know about the BNF.

Guess I gave away one of my secrets :-)

Thanks for the nice words.

Mark

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net

To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites
m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff
msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite
fall required



Thanks Mark !

I have been enjoying your links in the past year.
I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions !

Btw, here are other archives, you might know already...
http://www.archive.org/

Thanks again !
Michael B.




From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM
To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite fall required



Yes,  it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older
Philsophical Transactions.

Mark

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net

To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites
m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff
msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite

fall required



Great link, Mark

The French equivalent of the Library of Congress.
Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there...

The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right)
A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here:
(= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose)
Please respect this waiver.

Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu
En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des 
conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte


and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet connection

Good luck !
Michael B.





From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM
To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite fall required



Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to read
the article on line.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts
Briarcliff Manor, NY
USA

http://meteoritemanuscripts.blogspot.com
http://twitter.com/MetManuscripts
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Meteorite-Manuscripts/152949358073543?v=wall



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Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite fall required

[Michael Bross]

talking about archives...
The NY Times has some great one, dating back
to 1851. They are still free until the 28th, after
you will pay a (rather decent) fee.

I haven't searched there for a while, but great testimonies
of the past (and the NY areas I lived in for a while)

I guess it is same for some other newspapers in US.

Enjoy !
Michael B.



From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:06 AM
To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite 
fall required



Yes, I second Michael's caution about using the site only for non-commerical
purposes.

BNF was one of the first organizations to go into digitization full time,
and there work should be respected.

Mark

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts

And yes, I am happy to give away some secrets - especially when they are
really neat!

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net

To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites
m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff
msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:01 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton (UK)ironmeteorite
fall required



yes, you did give away one of your secrets...
But for the pleasure of some... :-)

I have been searching the BNF for quite some time, but always in French.
Stupid of me...
I just heard that they are going to put much more documents online
in the coming year, a partnership with an American firm.

Please, listers, do respect the non-commercial use of the documents
you download, or ask for permits !
or this would be another wasted source of knowledge...

Thanks again Mark, I will look more into the Philosophical Transactions...

Michael B.



From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:35 AM
To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite fall required



Not many people know about the BNF.

Guess I gave away one of my secrets :-)

Thanks for the nice words.

Mark

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net

To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites
m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff
msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite

fall required



Thanks Mark !

I have been enjoying your links in the past year.
I didn't know the BNF had the Philosophical Transactions !

Btw, here are other archives, you might know already...
http://www.archive.org/

Thanks again !
Michael B.




From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:31 AM
To: Michael Bross ; Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite fall required



Yes,  it is one of the few places on the web that has all of the older
Philsophical Transactions.

Mark

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts

- Original Message - 
From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net

To: Mark Grossman mar...@westnet.com; Mark's Meteorites
m...@meteorites.cc; e-mail ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; martin goff
msgmeteori...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite

fall required



Great link, Mark

The French equivalent of the Library of Congress.
Frankly surprised to see this, in English, there...

The document (or part) can be downloaded (icon on the top right)
A pop-up window will appear, be sure to check this box here:
(= I agree not to use this document for any commercial purpose)
Please respect this waiver.

Pour une réutilisation non commerciale du contenu
En cochant cette case, je reconnais avoir pris connaissance des 
conditions d'utilisation non commerciale et je les accepte


and you will have to wait some time depending on your internet 
connection


Good luck !
Michael B.





From: Mark Grossman
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:48 AM
To: Mark's Meteorites ; e-mail ensoramanda
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; martin goff
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Paper on the historic Rowton 
(UK)ironmeteorite fall required



Go to the following link, select page 885, and you should be able to 
read

the article on line.

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k55978m/f961.image.r=philosophical+transactions+royal+society+1881.langEN

Mark Grossman
Meteorite Manuscripts
Briarcliff Manor, NY
USA

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[meteorite-list] Subject Line management

[Michael Bross]

Dear all

I have never seen such anarchy in dealing with the Subject Line
on any forum or list, past or present !

Please, DO change the subject line when really altering
the context of previous messages... and try to avoid changing
it when NOT really altering the context.


3-4 different threads about Japan's Tsunami etc...
and now, some of them getting totally OT, or else...

It is s annoying.
Thanks !

Michael B.
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Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope Dirk and others are ok

[Michael Bross]

Dear list,

Hope you are right Count Deiro...
Here in france, top officials at Areva (main worldwide conceptor) and
at the CEA (Atomic Energy Center) are very concerned.

They don't expect a Chernobyl kind of situation but more like 3 Mile Island
or worse...

Let's see...

A US Air Force plane was sent last night with a special cooling
agent. I guess it didn't have enough time...

Michael B.




From: Count Deiro
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:57 AM
To: Michael Gilmer ; drtanuki
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 8.9 Quake in Japan, 10 meter Tsunami, Hope 
Dirk and others are ok



There are two chances that any reactor built in a developed country will do 
a Chernobyl.


Slim and None.

The liberal media loves to run with this stuff to increase viewership. 
Politicians demagogue everything nuclear to get re-elected. The result is an 
electorate with more unfounded fears than a mob of medival peasants.


Count Deiro


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Re: [meteorite-list] Read it and laugh!

[Michael Bross]

Dear Count

First, why again like too many others on this list, are you changing the
Subject line ? I have never seen that on any list or forum, past or present
and I have been on forums/fora since 1998...

Second, here in France, serious sources (!) talked about the USAF flight...
Anyway... now we know it was too late, no matter if that flight existed or 
not...


Third, in France, at the time, top officials said that the Chernobyl cloud 
stopped at the
Rhine... Jean-Yves Cousteau regretted backing up this information to his 
last breath !

Peace to his soul. He was then Secretary of Environmental Affairs.

I am not a No Nuke person... but know enough to be concerned about the 
latest

news.

All the best to you and especially people (ant their loved ones) in Japan

Cordially
Michael B.




From: Count Deiro
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 5:19 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Read it and laugh!


Dear List,

The suffering Japanese have enough real threats and consequences to 
shoulder without the added fear and panic being spread about a possible 
nuclear meltdown in the media.


No reactor has disappeared. Nobody, not even the guys in the white smocks 
on scene, has been exposed to a level of radiation remotely harmful. Nor 
will they be. They did get knocked on their butts when the quake hit and the 
exterior hall subsequently blew because of accumulated hydrogen/oxygen.


The USA did not send any cooling material to the scene. A bald faced lie 
by Clinton.


The evacuation ordered is to cover the power consitorium and the 
government's ass from the inevitable flood of liabilty claims that will 
inundate the courts after this tragic event runs it course and the lawyers 
crawl out from under the tables and things begin to return to normal.


Read the sensational headlines implying nuclear Armageddon has already 
occurred and then peruse the body copy. Without fail the stories are 
prefaced by the qualifiers..May,Could,Might. Nothing definite. All 
supposition and cynical fear mongering.


Stay calm,

Count Deiro
IMCA 3536

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Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over alarge iron)

[Michael Bross]

Dear Chris...

And how do you explain scientifically proven... that you are
living, breathing... and interacting on this forum ?

Come on... read the late article on Newton by New York Times.
I am sure alchemy is on your list with astrology and so on.

Try to stay humble, especially if you are on an observatory !

There are too many charlatans unfortunately... that's also why
someone like Newton was doing his alchemical researches in
a kind of secrecy, to avoid comments like yours.

Darren recently put a link to one of my previous post on the list,
I invite you to read it again.

Btw, I am a certified Engineer in Agronomy, with 5 years studies
on chemicals, biology etc... and many, many years of practicing.

It just happened... that my scholarly certitudes... were brutally
confronted with the empiric knowledge in so called underdeveloped
countries when I was in my late 20s, in Africa, Asia, South America...

You would be surprised to ear, that the major and world known
Agronomical Research Center in France (INRA) called a healer
to fix telluric forces which made their horses get nuts on their way
to their pasture, about 20 years ago. It did work, to the pleasure
of the researching team and the horses... :)

But this is just old grandma recipes... no ?
BTW, the magical... lets say, unknown to the scientists, power
of the chicken, actually hen soup has been proven.

Doesn't that make you/us humble, we scientists... ???

There is a main stream science... and another one...

And I definitely like the recent quote from Einstein, that I discovered with
infinite pleasure...

Enjoy ! Cheers !
Michael B.



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From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:44 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over
alarge iron)


Actually, new ideas that are RIGHT have generally been accepted fairly
quickly. It is a myth of the pseudoscientist that so many great minds have
been considered wrong or crazy, and that the establishment has usually
been wrong. It is entirely appropriate that new ideas be viewed with some
skepticism before they are accepted, however.

In fact, it is science that tells us very clearly that divining rods do
not work. This is something that has been put to the test, and failed that
test. Nobody can actually demonstrate that they work any better than
random chance. Only a fool would ignore that reality in favor of quotes
(some of dubious origin).

Divining rods, homeopathy, astrology... all these things are firmly in the
same category.

Chris

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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stop Naysaying! (Was: Try divining rods over
a large iron)


Chris, I fully support the eviction of superstition from the human mind.
BUT... Non believers and naysayers of radical ideas are typically,
historically, and statistically, often wrong!

People said the Wright brothers couldn't fly. But they did.
People said you would die if you went faster than a few tens of MPH.
They were wrong.
People disbelieved DaVinci's inventions. But modern science proved many
to be possible.
People said it wasn't possible to fly to the Moon. Be we did.
People slammed Tesla, and persecuted him and his free wireless
electricity. Yet today we know induction charging and energy
transmission over distance is real.

I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work. -
Thomas Edison

If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're
right. - Henry Ford

Don't take counsel of your fears or naysayers. - General Colin Powell

...The scientific man does not aim at an immediate result. He does not
expect that his advanced ideas will be readily taken up. His work is
like that of the planter — for the future. His duty is to lay the
foundation for those who are to come, and point the way. He lives and
labors and hopes Nikola Tesla

Thomas Jefferson, with such a great mind on politics and human
advancement still had problems and could be considered a naysayer when
he said.

I would more easily believe that a Yankee professor would lie than that
stones would fall from heaven. - Thomas Jefferson

Closedmindedness is the enemy of progress.

Regards,
Eric


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Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit

[Michael Bross]

so, Chris, is it not a chance or he saw the fireball drop below the 
horizon ??

Kind of confusing...

Michael B, France


- Original Message - 
From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit


Not a chance. If he'd seen this a few minutes after the sky lit up, I 
might buy it. I expect he saw the fireball drop below the horizon, a 
couple hundred miles away. This report is extremely typical of that.


Chris

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Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:57 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Suffolk man says he saw meteor hit



Very interesting... Could it be?

http://hamptonroads.com/2009/04/suffolk-man-says-he-saw-meteor-hit

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Re: [meteorite-list] Announcing Meteorite Men the TV Show

[Michael Bross]

Dear Geoff and List

Great. Info sent to friends in US.
Please let us know when available in Europe.

Thanks

Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:00 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Announcing Meteorite Men the TV Show



Dear Listees:

As a few of you already know Steve Arnold #1 and I have been working  on a 
major new TV project for over a year. It is a one-hour special  for the 
Science Channel: Meteorite Men.


This is a significant step up from the previous TV work we've done. It  is 
a big budget production with plenty of action, adventure and, of  course, 
a little goofing around. I was recently in Burbank, CA to see  the final 
cut of the show and we are thrilled with the results. Steve  and I 
returned to the Brenham site for location filming, and also  filmed at a 
second location which will remain confidential for the  moment. In 
addition we shot a good segment at The Center for Meteorite  Studies at 
ASU, Tempe with the kind assistance of Dr. Meenakshi Wadhwa  and Dr. 
Laurence Garvie, both of whom appear in the special, as well  as the 
famous IBeAM. There is also plenty of cool, hi-tech animation  of the 
Asteroid Belt, a re-creation of a meteorite shower, etc.


Science put out the official press release yesterday morning and you  can 
read it here:


http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=20090331science01


We have our own news and info page about the show here: 
http://www.aerolite.org/meteoritemen



And a MySpace site with additional photos here: 
http://www.myspace.com/meteoritemen


Any of you who are MySpace users, please send us a friend request;  we'd 
be delighted to connect with you.



The world premiere of Meteorite Men is Sunday, May 10 at 9 pm  Eastern, 
only on the Science Channel.


It's been a long project, but a very rewarding one. Our production 
company has been fantastic to work with. They really went above and 
beyond the make the best adventure documentary possible, and we hope  List 
members in the US and Canada will enjoy the show. We do not have 
international air dates yet, but hopefully Meteorite Men will be  seen 
in other countries before too long. I will post further news when  we have 
it.



Thanks for reading and all the best from sunny Tucson,

Geoff and Steve


p.s.  I know the timing is weird, but this is NOT an April Fool's  joke 
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Re: [meteorite-list] US States Fed Govt Laws regarding prospecting, hiking, boondocking, stargazing, etc.

[Michael Bross]

Hello MikeG and List

This is a great idea. When looking at Iridium measuring/testing (haha :)) I 
stumbled upon a
French metal detector website which summarized well enough laws and 
regulations
pertaining to hunting on private or public land in France: national, 
regional etc...


We know that laws can be gray to some extent, but still it is a good 
start.


PS: this should be another thread, but how come a place like the Canyon 
Diablo

Meteor Crater site is a private enterprise ?!
I know we talk about USA but still... such a place should be State or 
Federal property, no ?!

or did I not understand properly your post Mike ?

Good evening everyone

Michael B, France


- Original Message - 
From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 4:09 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] US States  Fed Govt Laws regarding 
prospecting,hiking, boondocking, stargazing, etc.




Hi Listees!

I was reading with great interest the recent list posts about state
laws in Arizona and Colorado regarding hunting for meteorites, bird
watching, etc.  I don't want some humorless officer with a crewcut and
a sharp hat threatening me with jail for stargazing or boondocking, so
I'd like to suggest a discussion thread dedicated solely to the laws,
and not the ethics, of hunting meteorites on state and federally-owned
land.

I have a couple of observations and questions I'd like to share with
the group and someone please correct me if I am wrong about anything
here -

I read that one must have a special state license or pass to use
certain state lands in Arizona and Colorado - I am assuming this does
not apply to pay-for-access areas like State Parks where tourists pay
an entry fee and they are allowed to birdwatch and hike within the
boundaries of the park.  Also, what about the federal land passes that
are available?  If I am in a National Park in Arizona (federal land)
and I have a valid federal land pass, does this mean an Arizona state
officer can't hassle me on that federal land?  I realize having such a
pass does not entitle me to access or use state-owned lands, but am I
correct in my assumption that the federal pass takes precedence over
the state pass on federally-administered lands?

Also, I am assuming that the possession of a state or a federal
land-use permit does not grant any privileges in regards to gathering,
harvesting, prospecting, or removing natural materials - including
fossils, minerals, gold, meteorites, etc.   I have researched the
federal land use permits online and it
's pretty clear that they only grant *access* to certain areas and use
of certain specific facilities instead of paying a gate fee or entry
fee.  It clearly states that no other rights or privileges are granted
other than the few specifically mentioned in the terms of the
pass/permit.

In Florida, where I lived for many years, one can acquire a fossil
permit from the State which grants certain prospecting and removal
rights on certain State-owned lands in Florida.  It only covers
fossils, but it's better than a kick in the teeth.  Are there any
other states that have similar permits available, and are these
permits available to non-residents?

I'd like to know, briefly, what risks are involved with prospecting
meteorites in the following well-known strewnfields :

Gold Basin, Franconia, Holbrook, Glorieta, the Mojave area?

It is well-known that the area around Meteor Crater (Canyon Diablo) is
off-limits to meteorite prospectors - it is verboten.  But, are there
ANY areas in the vicinity of the crater where it is possible to
legally prospect for meteorites, assuming the proper permits are in
order?  What about smaller private land owners - is any of the land
owned by someone who will grant permission to prospect, or is every
square inch of land around the Crater off-limits completely?  I find
it hard to imagine that an impact event of that size didn't throw some
meteorites over and beyond the reach of Meteor Crater Inc, LLC and
it's Subsidiaries legal team.  Is there no-way a law-abiding citizen
can go find a Diablo meteorite, or do I just need to get that out of
my head and forget about it?

What about Odessa Texas?  Can one legally find meteorites there on
public or private lands?  Or is it another Canyon Diablo type of
situation around the Odessa Crater?

Brenham Kansas?  Off-limits?  Will the farmers look at you cross-ways
and rack back the slide on their 10-gauge scattergun when you drive
slowly down the road gazing longingly at the rolling fields that
conceal pallasitic joy?  Does any of the Brenham strewnfield extend
onto public lands?

Has anyone ever taken a shot in the dark and looked around Peekskill
for the lost stones?  There out there oxidizing away somewhere in the
woods or in a lake.

What about the other meteorite-laden areas of Texas?  Using the NASA
WordlWind plugin for the Met Soc database, it's easy to see that some
areas of Texas are 

Re: [meteorite-list] Crater impostor unmasked as sheep-dip

[Michael Bross]

Hi Paul and List

I remember seeing a great documentary some years ago on PBS, showing most of 
the
science technology high-tech tools accredit the (hypo)thesis that an amazing 
eruption of the
Krakatoa volcano in Indonesia was the start of the Roman Empire demise. 
(sometime in the 400 AD years)

A meteorite impact theory was researched and disregarded.

Relating to writings held in the Vatican, polar ice cores, Carbon14 dating, 
tree rings, geological testing

under Krakatoa's nearby waters etc...
... 30 years of ashes in the atmosphere, the sun being dimmed and 
consequently low harvests, starvation etc... etc...


Did some search on PBS website:
The documentary is : Secrets of the dead- Catastrophe
(http://www.shoppbs.org/search/index.jsp?kwCatId=kw=catastropheorigkw=catastrophef=PAD%2FFormat%2FDVDsr=1)

The weblink is:
(http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/previous_seasons/html/e1-menu.html)


Well, I am interested to know more about all this :)
Good evening

Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
From: Paul bristo...@yahoo.com

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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Crater impostor unmasked as sheep-dip




Crater impostor unmasked as sheep-dip

The supposed meteorite that supposedly caused the
supposed “Sirente crater” in the Abruzzi mountains
did not bring down the Roman Empire after all. Ted
Nield reports. Geoscientist Online 19 March 2009

http://www.geolsoc.org.uk/gsl/geoscientist/geonews/page5368.html

The references given in this article are:

Bondre, N 2009: Crater or not? Nature Geoscience vol. 2 March 2009 p. 166

Ormö J et al., 2002: The Sirente Crater Field, Italy. Meteorit.
Planet. Sci., 37 1507-1521
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2002M%26PS...37.1507O

Speranza, F et al., 2004: An anthropogenic origin of the “Sirente
Crater”, Abruzzi, Italy. Meteorit. Planet. Sci., 39, 4, 635-649
http://www.earth-prints.org/handle/2122/3941

Speranza, F et al., 2009: The “Sirente crater field”, Italy,
revisited. Journal of Geophysical Research. vol. 114, B03103,
doi:10.1029/2008JB005759.
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2009/2008JB005759.shtml

Yours,

Paul H.



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Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting ethics

[Michael Bross]

Hi List, Mike  Miller and Sonny

Honestly, I was waiting for more info before reacting.
Already the Criminal part of trespassing had the exaggerated part which 
made me wait...

I am not a meteorite hunter, maybe one day when time allows :)

I trust what you say here Mike.
It is that implacable: everybody should know the law. Even when it goes 
out of Common Sense


A soft story: as I said, I lived in Long Island, NY for many years.
We went with our 6 months old daughter to a nearby small quaint town (10 
miles)

that we were used to go to, and parked our car backwards to the sidewalk
to avoid the baby seat of our daughter to be to hot under direct sunlight 
when we

come back.
We got a double ticket: one for having parked backwards !, instead of facing 
the sidewalk

and another for having the tire touching the sidewalk... ! $ 100 !
We disputed the parking tickets and went to court, arguing that it was 
unexpectable for us
to know such idiotic (no we didn't say that in court :)) laws and got told 
to accept, pay,

and continue with our lives...

So, dear hunters... before you go anywhere, try to get in touch with local 
authorities

and figure out main laws pertaining to roads, privacy etc...
or maybe check on internet.
I know that in France, most local laws are being posted for such aspects.

Cheers
Michael B, France




- Original Message - 
From: Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com

To: Michael Murray mmur...@montrose.net
Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting ethics


Hello everyone I am not going to get involved in a long discussion
here, I just want to state for the record what happened to me. I was
charged with walking down an UN posted dirt road. I was charged with 2
counts as I parked my rental vehicle in plain sight on a highway and
did walk down this UN posted dirt road on 2 different days.  In
Georgia they call it Criminal Trespass and it covers a very wide range
of offenses. I was not hunting meteorites on the property I was simply
trying to reach the area I thought might contain meteorites. I did not
know the road was private and there were no signs that stated it was
private. I was informed that in Georgia it is not necessary to post a
road as private. I also realize that if I were raised in Georgia I
would have likely known the road was private, but since I spend most
of my time in the wide open west. I felt I was safe to walk down this
dirt road and try to get to the area I was hoping had meteorite in it,
that was still miles past the area of this dirt road.
I was asked by the Judge of Burke county to inform every meteorite
hunter that you are not welcome in Burke county and I can personally
guarantee you that they are not kidding. Do not go to Burke county and
knock on doors as you will be very sorry you came.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Michael Murray mmur...@montrose.net 
wrote:

In a constructive thread, I'd like to hear more about how the hunters out
there discuss hunting private property with landowners, how they determine
who owns the property, do you pay a fee normally, do you do a formal 
written
agreement on split of find. Could be that if some of the more seasoned 
List

participants/hunters visit this topic in a somewhat detailed manner that
other hunters might better arm themselves with the knowledge it takes to 
do

it right.

Mike in CO


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Re: [meteorite-list] -2 arrested update (Dude-- Where's MyCaredition)

[Michael Bross]

why don't you put a sign private road, trespassers will be 
fined/prosecuted

like in NY and many other states ?
I go often off road all around the world, I would have never imagined
that a private road wouldn't be marked... and have quite some experience
going off roads, or off the beaten paths.

I guess some parts in Southern USA are a real other world...
Glad I joined the Met-List... I know now ! and will avoid troubles out of 
common sense !


Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] -2 arrested update (Dude-- Where's 
MyCaredition)




On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:47:34 -0400, you wrote:


Read the article again.  A 66 year old lady confronted two burglers on her
property last October. Given that, Sonny and Mike are lucky they only had 
to

pay a $2K fine.  They might have been  shot.  I like and respect Sonny and
Mike, but if they didn't ask permission in the first place, they had no
business on the pproperty and they only have themselves to blame for the
outcome.


As I just said to someone off-list:

I live in Anderson County, South Carolina (a few counties away from Burke,
Georgia, as you can see on a map.)  I also live down a private, unmarked,
ungated dirt road.  And in my experience, strangers coming on to your 
property
almost always are trying to sell you something that you don't want, or 
take away

something that you do.
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Re: [meteorite-list] -2 arrested update (Dude-- Where's MyCaredition)

[Michael Bross]

ok Darren, I have to minor my previous post

In NY state, when I see a mailbox in front of an unpaved road
I know that it is (at least partially) private and won't go, even if no 
sign.


USA being a rather new country, most of the roads go to a private 
property, I have to admit,
not like in France, and many other countries, where unpaved roads are common 
and rarely

private, unless advertised otherwise.
They are very ancient paths going thru fields, landscape, from one village 
to the other,

reminiscent of old middle age roads, and most of the time unpaved.

I feel that Mike Miller and Sonny never seriously thought they were on 
private property


Good evening everyone
Michael B, France


- Original Message - 
From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net

To: elemen...@peconic.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:28 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [meteorite-list] -2 arrested update (Dude-- Where's 
MyCaredition)



On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:24:29 +0200, you wrote:


why don't you put a sign private road, trespassers will be
fined/prosecuted


I would guess because it is pretty much taken for granted (here, at least) 
that
a road that isn't paved and doesn't have signs is a private driveway leading 
to

a home or a business.



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Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting ethics -west

[Michael Bross]

Hi all

or maybe doing like French law, where the Finder shares with the Owner
of the property/land  50%-50% the price of the Find ?

Just a suggestion. Might be silly ?!

Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
From: George Blahun Jr k...@att.net

To: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com
Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 1:34 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How about a thread to discuss hunting 
ethics -west




Jason et. al.
 Did anyone offer to act as a broker?  Rather than paying  outright, 
have a contract stating the total number of grams retrieved  and a 
percentage for selling them.  I know most hunters would rather  own what 
they sell, but it beats leaving specimens to weather in the  field.


George
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Re: [meteorite-list] -2 arrested update (Dude-- Where'sMyCaredition)

[Michael Bross]

I didn't say so Darren
+ the quote you answer to wasn't intended to you.

Michael, France

PS: although... be cautious with the objectivity of 3rd parties :)



- Original Message - 
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] -2 arrested update (Dude--  
Where'sMyCaredition)




On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:57:17 +0200, you wrote:


I feel that Mike Miller and Sonny never seriously thought they were on
private property


No, I make no claim at all that they had any intention of doing anything
wrong-- just that I can see the land owner's point of view.  (And I'm 
more
likely to trust the judgement of objective third parties like the police 
and

court system than those of the two sides of the case).
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1974 (..and false claim)

[Michael Bross]

Hello Listers and Ryan

Sorry to come back to Chicago Steve thread...

Ryan, I can't more agree with your post !
I am new to the list, but it didn't take me long (without looking at 
archives) to

be cautious with Chicago Steve (Steve # 1...? well...)

His fake AD wasn't just bad taste but simply under the belt, outrageous !

+ I was one of the idiots to waste time sending him an off-list email to try 
to soothe his pains and sorrows !
even ready to buy a $50 meteorite for helping him... stupid naive me... glad 
I didn't...


Result ? same blunt 3 words answer with a mistake in pricing reminding me 
our off-list
email exchanges about some Sikhote Alin a month ago... Chicago Steve needing 
3 emails
to figure out what photo referred to what grams and subsequently what 
price... I gave up


No matter what happens to him on the list or otherwise, I will NEVER buy 
from him


All the best
Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
From: RJP yelloweng...@earthlink.net

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1974 (..and false claim)


So you posted a fake AD, claiming that bills were piling up, you were out 
of work, and that your relationship with your wife was becoming unstable. 
You then posted a sales AD (and page) with things that you simply no 
longer wanted for your collection anymore, marked the prices down a couple 
of times, and stated that this was the end of the road for you on the met 
list. You probably received a handful of sympathetic emails in regards to 
your post, and now you say that it was an early April fools joke?  Further 
more, I inquired about your 50g Berduc off-list, and the price that you 
quoted me ($1270) was marked up more than 100% from the price that was 
posted just a couple of days ago on on your sales page!


Don't you think that maybe all of this was in poor taste, especially with 
the jobless rate at an all time high, and the economy at an all time low 
in years? I simply see it as a tacky, tasteless scheme.


Wondering, with regards...

Ryan





Hi again list,and no ad.I see there is only 398 grams of NWA 1794.But I 
see there is also more material out there.Did they find more later,and if 
they did,what is the latest TKW?Also last week was a prequel to this 
day.APRIL FOOL'S DAY!!I am going no where.Have a great day and keep 
finding our passion.

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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1974 (..and false claim)

[Michael Bross]

good for you GeoZay :)

I guess he was not interested enough to sell to someone in France, selling 
the Sikhote
Alins off list + on ebay at the same time... and waiting 5 min before they 
ended on ebay to

answer how much it will cost for shipping to France.

Whatever frustrating this was for a new collector/lister like me... it was 
really the way he answered
and handled my emails that bothered me. I forgot this when he put his 
desperate AD... and got

even more disgusted...

Enjoy your buys from Chicago Steve, but I don't regret his blunt emails to 
and off list :)


Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
From: geo...@aol.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1974 (..and false claim)




Result ? same blunt 3 words answer  with a mistake in pricing reminding 
me

our off-list
email exchanges about  some Sikhote Alin a month ago... Chicago Steve 
needing

3 emails
to figure  out what photo referred to what grams and subsequently what
price... I gave  up

I bought 2 Sikhote-alins from Chicago Steve last month and  another off of
ebay. Had no problems at all. These were three of the best buys  I've ever 
made

for very low prices. I also benefited from a couple of Steve's
freebies...also some of my best pieces I've came across. Again no 
problems...

GeoZay

**Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or

less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001)
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Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1974 (..and false claim)

[Michael Bross]

Boy... lets end that GeoZay

I didn't bid on ebay, I saw by coincidence that he was proposing on ebay at 
the same time
as proposing off-list with 3 fotos he sent, not telling what foto referred 
to what grams and price.

It must not be the same time, because the fotos were great...

On ebay, there was no international SH pricing either..
do you think I am so stupid to bid without knowing ?! :)

I was only interested in one SA for its beautiful shape. By the time Chicago 
Steve
was finally able (or willing...) to put 2 to 2 together and telling me the 
price of that

one, I had given up.

Anyway, no matter what, his fake/Aprils fool day ! AD is outrageous

lets keep any further emails off-list, OK ?

Michael B, France




- Original Message - 
From: geo...@aol.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 1974 (..and false claim)




I guess he was not interested enough  to sell to someone in France, 
selling

the Sikhote
Alins off list + on  ebay at the same time... and waiting 5 min before 
they

ended on ebay  to
answer how much it will cost for shipping to France.

He  didn't sell them to me off list and ebay at the same time. Actually he
had no  idea it was me that was bidding on ebay until it was over. It was 
later
in the  month that he put the other SA's for sale off list. The photos 
weren't
all that  great, but at the time I relied on his stuff of usually being 
very
good quality  for my price range. That was one of my best judgement calls 
to
date. So you made  your ebay bid without knowing what the shipment would 
be?
Personally I wouldn't  have made a bid without knowing the shipping costs. 
Some

are outrageous and some  very reasonable.

Enjoy your buys from Chicago Steve, but I don't  regret his blunt emails 
to

and off list :)

Well...sorry to  hear that you had a sour experience for whatever the 
cause.

But I do plan on  enjoying my acquisitions however it was done.
GeoZay

**Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or

less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001)
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices

[Michael Bross]

Hi Greg

Bravo ! you were first... shoot :)
In his post he said: first come, first served

OK, we know he hopefully meant per g or whatever...
But ...  trade rules are price published = price to be paid
Just kidding Aziz :) (be careful however in the future)

Michael


- Original Message - 
From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net
To: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices



Hello Aziz,

You offered:



Up for sale :
1kg CC for $1.75
7kgs OC for $0.1


I would like that 1kg for one dollar and 75 cents and the 7kgs for ten 
cents as advertised! ;-)


Best regards,
Greg


Greg Hupe
The Hupe Collection
NaturesVault (eBay)
gmh...@htn.net
www.LunarRock.com
IMCA 3163

Click here for my current eBay auctions: 
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault




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From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:08 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices




Hello List,
 Up for sale :
1kg CC for $1.75
7kgs OC for $0.1
Pictures on request if interested, first come, first
served.
The best
Aziz


Alhyane Abdelaziz
Taliouine Center
83500 Morocco
+212(6)61655060




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Re: [meteorite-list] Marching Hammers - Business and Marketing

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Mike !
Love that email

And as you say, common sense is not reserved to the seasoned ones
Being a newbie doesn't mean I will be fooled by Hammers :)
And being a newbie, I enjoyed the rich information laded website from 
Michael Blood.


Good evening everyone
Michael B, France


- Original Message - 
From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:35 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Marching Hammers - Business and Marketing




Hi List,

Another can of worms opened up here with the definition of a hammer.

First, whoever emailed Michael Blood and bashed his business
practices needs to have their head examined.  I've done trades
and made purchases from Michael and can state that he is a first
class guy.  Michael's only crime is his enthusiasm for collecting
meteorites that have struck objects.

And let's not discredit thinking people by claiming that some
dealer using the word hammer is going to damage the hobby as
a whole or devaluate all other real hammers.  This is being a bit
dramatic.  I think most people, including newbies, are perfectly
capable of using a search engine, reading, and learning.

I am going to say something that may get vegetables thrown at me,
but the overall atmosphere of suspicion in this hobby is
unfortunate.  I have never in my life seen a hobby where many
newcomers are viewed with suspicion and people launch accusations
against other's business practices based on semantics.  Sure,
meteorites are a valuable commodity and any valuable commodity
is going to the target/source of frauds.  But all of the suspicion,
accusations, and general rivalry is unnecessary.  There are
enough meteorites for everyone.  There are enough collectors
for every dealer.  And fakes/frauds are much less common than the
alarmists would have you believe.  I've done hundreds of meteorite
deals in my short time in this hobby, and not once has a person
tried to defraud me - if they were that type, I wouldn't have
done business with them in the first place.

I'm very thankful that visual astronomy doesn't have the same
atmosphere as meteorite collecting - if it did, I would have
quit the hobby long ago and never learned the wonders of the
heavens above.  A handful of people have been very gracious to me
in this hobby, but several have also been twofaced - ready to
take my money when I buy their meteorites, but ready to talk
smack behind my back because I don't buy into their particular
clique.  When I got into astronomy and approached an observing
club about joining, I was welcomed with open arms and brought
into the hobby - which I now share with others in the same
manner.  Unfortunately, meteorites have not been like that - I
was viewed with suspicion by some from the minute I arrived on the
scene.

Why?  I don't know.  Probably for the same reason someone is now
talking crap about Michael Blood.  Politics, cliques, gossip,
and profiteering - much bigger issues in the meteorite world
than the definition of a hammer.

That's where I stand, even if it's not popular.

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG

PS - despite all the politics, backbiting, and suspicion, I am
still having a lot of fun collecting meteorites.  So NEENER NEENER! :P 
 LOL


PSS - to the 5 or 6 people who have been straight up with me
in our dealings, you have my sincerest thanks again.   You know
who you are. ;) :)


.
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe

[Michael Bross]

I am sorry Listers...

Darren... is this the only thing you have to say about the post from Svend ?
Then, we could also be looking at some of our occidental world leaders...
but lets not get into that... (I got enough already here in France)

Nothing about the possible meteorite being the subject ?

OK, the quoted article is colorful... but filled with an innocence (not 
naivety)
which gives some fresh feel in our methodical/heavy scientifical laden 
occidental world !


Anyway Darren, I will check the Archives when I get some time...
but beside TRYING to be a Sniper... what else do you propose here on the 
list ?

I am new to the list, and refer only to your posts from March...

Lets not event talk about our discussions over dowsing or whatever... I 
also now

recall your post after Michael Blood posted some photos of newbies like me

I can be quite cynical myself... but I hope you are just not frustrated !
Welcome and enjoy the list and discussions about meteorites ! :)

All the best !
Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe



On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:21:55 +0100, you wrote:



The stone, many villagers now believe. is a gift from God


Silly villagers.  If it were a gift from God, it would have landed on 
Mugabe.

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[meteorite-list] Sterling K. Webb

[Michael Bross]

Sorry List

I got a great off list email from Sterling K. Webb
Sent answer twice with 2 different email addresses, both rejected within 
minutes.


So, Sterling or whoever knows him on the List, give me an email address I 
can respond to.


It is the first time I encounter such problem here (on or off List)

Thanks
Michael B, France 




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Re: [meteorite-list] Michael Bross

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Herman

A bit frustrated there wasn't much answers yet to some posts
especially about Iridium detection etc...  and subsequently,
listers feedbacks on XRF devices for Ir or Osmium measuring

But with the more than understandable West craze and the highly
disputed Hammer meaning... :)

Good day to you and listers
Michael B, France


- Original Message - 
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:41 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Michael Bross




Michael Bross  elemen...@peconic.net
Subject: [meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? +  Technetium ?)
measuring and testing

Michael;

Welcome to the list,i look forward to your posts  and hope you enjoy all 
the
other posts and great info.,offers to sell meteorites  and just good 
meteorite

conversations,OH,and the great pictures posted by  Michael Johnson to this
list.Have fun!

Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA #  2770





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Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium measuring and testing- disgressionondowsing...

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Dave

You saw... I got a warm but also hot welcome :)
A bientot
Michael B, France


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To: 'Michael Bross' elemen...@peconic.net; cyna...@charter.net; 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Iridium measuring and testing- 
disgressionondowsing...




Welcome to the meteorite list, Michael... ;-)
Dave
www.fallingrocks.com

-Original Message-
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[mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Bross
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:33 PM
To: cyna...@charter.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium measuring and testing-
disgressionondowsing...

No
I am talking about Yves Rocard, also father of Michel Rocard, Prime 
minister

in France several years. Not a charlatan !

I really don't like your mocking comments ! To say the least !

I have been many years on a SERIOUS alchemical forum. Not talking about 
some
stupid way to change lead into gold and other such legends stuck to 
alchemy,
which I see as a proto chemistry... BUT regretting that modern chemistry 
has

forgotten
parts of what alchemy had searched, notably empiric knowledge etc... !
The philosophical stone... well it is just and only philosophical,
that's what real alchemy is about.

I am considered as a serious scientist... certainly more than the famous
anesthesiologist Dr. Reuben, who just showed the dark side of modern
science:
(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/health/research/11pain.html?_r=1scp=1sq
=Reubenst=cse)

If you think he is the only one... think twice :) And you have same in 
most

other sciences, including agronomy and environmental studies that I know
most !

No, real alchemy was not any more the major science at Newton's time... !
get informed.
Go to the Vatican, which took all of the alchemical texts from the castle
from Heidelberg after WW2... or to Scotland...

Last but not least: if you had read my post in its entirety... you 
wouldn't

talk like this, unless... ??!

Enjoy your evening

Michael B, France


- Original Message -
From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net
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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium measuring and testing- disgression
ondowsing...


On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:21:25 +0100, you wrote:


Yves Rocard was simply saying that each and every human has an infinite
amount of magnetite ?
(can't remember) or something alike at both our wrists.
This amount varies greatly between individuals, resulting in better
capabilities for some to find water sources etc...
When using a rod, especially hazelnut, an arch is produced with an
intensity related to the amount or depth of the water.


Ah, I see the source of the confusion here.  You mean midiclorians, not
magnetite.  And Yoda, not Yves.  Here's a quote from that paper:

Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And
well you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is.
Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us.
Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force
around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. 
Even

between the land and the ship.



How many people know that Newton (and many other famous scientists) did
serious alchemical studies and writings in secrecy, to not tarnish
their reputation... ?


Very few people know that, given the fact that alchemy WAS the mainstream
science at the time-- there was nothing to hide.  Given the scientific
knowledge at the time, searching for the philosopher's stone was no less
reasonable or credible a scientific pursuit than any other (but which, in
the end, turned out to be based on an inaccurate model of the basis of
matter.)  Chemestry as we know it hadn't been invented yet.  Modern
chemestry is what is left of alchemy after many ideas in alchemy have been
disproven (and some proven).
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Re: [meteorite-list] Another for New York?

[Michael Bross]

You didn't get much response Mike... a kind of Hammer :)
(boy... can't believe how many Mike/Michael we are on this forum)

Nobody interested by that Staten Island story ?

An article in NYTimes, not saying much more
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/18/nyregion/18boom.html?_r=1ref=nyregion

Good evening everyone
Michael B, France




- Original Message - 
From: mpg...@yahoo.com

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:06 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Another for New York?



Probably not, but we can still hope.
Mike

http://www.wpix.com/landing/?What-Was-That=1blockID=241728feedID=1404

What Was That?
By MIKE GRAHAM | wpix.com

March 17, 2009

STATEN ISLAND (WPIX) -- Staten Island residents had themselves saying what 
was that loud boom last night. Whatever the noise was, it was heard in at 
least six neighborhoods and rattled nerves and windows at about 7:55p.m. 
Monday.


Calls to 911 came flooding in and police and firefighters responded but 
could not solve the mystery of the explosion-like blast. Con Edison said 
there were no reports of transformer explosions or outages despite the fact 
that the noise could be heard for miles. Police believe it is possible that 
fireworks could be to blame.


Strange doings indeed in the metropolitan area as last week Westchester and 
Rockland county residents reported seeing a bright yellow streak in the 
skies north of the city. Some theorize that may have been a meteorite 
fireball.


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--bigboom0317mar17,0,1312093.story

Staten Island residents report loud boomMarch 17, 2009

NEW YORK - Staten Island residents are trying to figure out what caused a 
loud boom that was heard in at least six neighborhoods.


The explosion-like blast rattled windows of homes at about 7:55 p.m. Monday. 
It could be heard for miles.


Police and firefighters responded to numerous calls to 911, but the loud 
noise remained a mystery on Tuesday.


Police say they found no explosion anywhere in the borough and Con Edison 
reported no outages or transformer explosions.


Police speculated it was caused by fireworks.

Last week, witnesses reported big booms of a different sort. A brilliant 
yellow streak was seen in the skies north of the city, in Westchester and 
Rockland counties. Some residents believed it was a meteorite fireball.






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[meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?

[Michael Bross]

Hi List

I am coming like hair in the soup... about Carancas, seeing the just 
recent exchanges :)
but following the post about Staten Island today I did some search on 
NYTimes website


and got to this article from 2007 in the first 10 hits:
(http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/perus-meteor-illness-explained-invitation-extended/?scp=2sq=meteoritest=cse)

Was the Arsenic theory ever proven ?
Did anybody from the List, on site at the time, remember a like garlic 
smell, which is typical for
most of arsenic forms ? (Although, some forms or in small quantities would 
not yield a strong garlic smell)


If not, any further studies and lab test about that smell ?

Peru has been the place for a lot of mining waste recycling from US and 
elsewhere.
Copper, gold, silver ores can contain quite some Arsenic (in Philippines up 
to 14% !)
I remember also Tacoma, Washington, where we got to the arsenic kitchen 
site from an
old smelter place (beginning 20th century)... the underground soil smelt 
like a huge pot of cooked garlic :)


I know... it is not the main interest on this list.
But having been quite active in arsenic cleaning in soils and groundwater... 
I enjoy seeing

this Carancas story including probable (?) arsenic release

A bientot
Michael B, France 




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Re: [meteorite-list] money from the sky

[Michael Bross]

Can't agree more with you post Martin !

Cheers
Michael B, France

PS: Journalism is nowadays much too often sensionalist...



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Yah,

meteorites in media, there are always only two story angles:

1. Do we all have to die?

2. It's worth a fortune!

The scientific importance, what we have learned from meteorites,
there you hardly will find a sentence about.
Just yesterday I took a look into my encyclopedia from 1957, the most
popular one of it's time, found in many bookshelves -there I read about the
age of the Earth: estimated 3 billion years...

Well, people would be probably disappointed, if they could read, how few
tons of meteorites do exist so far, cause then the prices mentioned would
seem quite implausibly low to them.
Or to say it else. Would it be a sensational story if it would be reported,
that someone paid 10.000$ for a diamond of 0.4grams? I guess not.

Hmmm, greed and treasures, that sells. Uh if I think about deserts, hot and
cold, and other falls,
will we ever read, that meteorite collectors and hunters save millions and
millions of tax-dollars in offering sky-rocks at the today's price-level to
the public authorities  research?
I doubt.

Go West!
Martin






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Okay, that quote shoud really help in future negotions for search rights.

Good photos in the link.

http://www.wacotrib.com/news/content/news/stories/2009/03/17/03172009wacmete
or.html

Meteorite hunter: Find near Aquilla nets $10,000

Tuesday, March 17, 2009

By Ken Sury

Tribune-Herald staff writer

Mike Farmer has spent about a month now in West, searching for pieces of the
meteor that blazed a fiery trail in the Central Texas skies and broke apart
over
southern Hill County and northern McLennan County last month, depositing
meteorite rocks across a swath of countryside.

Farmer calls the meteorites money from the sky, noting that they are
prized by
collectors, universities and museums. And he should know. Farmer has made a
living chasing meteorites. What he hasn't been able to find, sometimes he'll
buy
from somebody who did find one and is willing to sell.

Farmer now possesses the second-biggest rock that he is aware of from the
West
meteorite. It's a 4-pound piece of chondrite, and while it is the most
common
form of meteorite that falls to Earth, Farmer paid a man more than $10,000
for
that hunk of space rock.

The Tucson, Ariz., resident won't disclose the actual sale price, but the
man he
bought the meteorite from was equally secretive, meeting Farmer at a gas
station
where the meteorite hunter peeled off $100 bill after $100 bill to meet the
man's asking price.

He can probably buy a new subcompact car, Farmer said.

The man would tell Farmer only that he found the meteorite in the Aquilla
area
on the day of the fall, Feb. 15. Those are the types of meteorites
collectors
love, Farmer explained, because they are in pristine condition and haven't
been
subjected to any weathering by the elements.

Though the iron content is low in such a stone meteorite, rainfall will
cause
oxidation, or rust, to form on the exterior, he said.

Farmer said he has seen - and would love to buy - a slightly larger
meteorite
from the West fall. But that individual is holding out for more money than
Farmer is willing to pay, he said.

That's fine, but what he has to remember is that this is supply and
demand,
Farmer said. While it may be worth more than $10,000 now, if someone finds
bigger pieces later . . . and there will be more pieces found, the market
could
collapse, and he's left holding the bag.

Prices for meteorites

That larger meteorite is only about 200 grams heavier than the rock Farmer
bought, but for meteorite buyers willing to pay $5 to $10 per gram, that's
an
extra $1,000 to $2,000. Some West residents received e-mails from across the
country offering to pay that price, or higher, if they found a meteorite and
were willing to sell.

One e-mail came from a man who identified himself as a clergyman from the
Midwest who didn't want to take the time come down and hunt himself but was
willing to pay a hefty sum for a meteorite.

Farmer is far from the only meteorite hunter who descended on the West area,
though the numbers have dwindled since the days right after the fall.

Farmer estimates there are still five or six fellow meteorite hunters whom
he
knows in the area. He estimates that they have collected between 200 and 250
of
the chondrite meteorites, ranging from pea size to the one he purchased.

Using Doppler radar images for the first 

Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? + Technetium ?) measuring and testing

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Darren and Elton

It just shows how naive I am about metal detection ! I never used one...

But I am surprised that my post didn't get more response, as well as the 
ones from Darren

that I mentioned in my first post:

1- Possible Ohio crater in Apr. 2005: not one response to it !
Another Mecca or alike ?
2- The wonderful wizards of Osmium (Apr 2008): few answers, but nothing
about the unique extraterrestrial signature of Osmium compared to Iridium 
(end of that post)


The search on the archives yielded only 279 hits for Iridium, most of them 
about Ir flares

or the Iridium satellite network.

Is this list maybe not the right place for such discussion ?
and if not, is there another list discussing such aspects ?

Thanks
A bientot
Michael B, France



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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:11 AM
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Hello Darren The original post never made it to my mail box. To the 
original posters questions about metal detectors:


One of the points to be made is that a metal detector only detects free 
metal not elements.  It is a field test and searching for specific 
elements is a lab test'


As they say on the American TV Game Show-- Family Feud --gudanzer! my I 
say--gudlinks.

Elton

--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote:


A- measuring on the field/ meteorite finding/ first testing:
I read often that finders/hunters use magnets. What
about a metal detector measuring Iridium ?
or is Iridium detection too close to other elements, or too small in 
content to be singled out ? and what about Osmium ? or Technetium ?


B- testing
How is Iridium (or Osmium, or Technetium) analysed and
tested ? Is there any non-invasive way to test one or more of
them, to keep the meteorite as is ?

I was sitting here trying my best to remember the name of a
type of measurement used to find very small amounts of atoms in materials 
(as is often the case) it

wasn't coming to me.  Fortunately I remembered it being
described in a book by Walter Alverez called T. rex and the Crater of 
Doom,searched down my copy and was reminded that it is neutron 
activation analysis.  Good book on the

detective work behind the discovery of the iridium (and
other rare element) concentrations at the K/T boundary.  You should try 
to get your hands on a copy. You can preview big chunks of it on Google 
Books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=kkHhl67ixwECprintsec=frontcoverdq=rex+and+the+crater+of+doom#PPA66,M1

Use the right-hand search window to search for
neutron activation analysis in
the book.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_activation_analysis

As for technetium, I wouldn't hold my breath about
finding much of it.  Very
short half life, both in human terms for some isotopes
(hours to days) and in cosmic terms (at most a few million years, a blink 
of the eye in the age of a

meteorite).  The amount (from some googling) produced
naturally by uranium decay and neutron absorbtion in molybdenum seems to 
be vanishingly small.  Doesn't

look to be much to be a mesurable amount to picked up from
the solar wind (though this article is pretty old)
http://www.new.dli.ernet.in/rawdataupload/upload/insa/INSA_1/20005aca_407.pdf

Here's an article touching on the decay products of
technetium in meteorites:

http://wwwsoc.nii.ac.jp/jnrs/paper/JN63/jn6325.pdf

and another:

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2004/pdf/1877.pdf

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Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? + Technetium ?) measuring and testing

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Darren

Good article. Although I will share later tonight a serious scientific
not much known study about water dowsing.

Michael B, France


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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 15:55:35 +0100, you wrote:


It just shows how naive I am about metal detection ! I never used one...



I remember as a kid seeing ads in the back of magazines for this thing 
that you
drop a sample of anything into, and then it points out the location of 
more of
it-- be it gold, silver, platinum, truffles, or the One True Elvis.  It 
would be
great to have one of those, drop a meteorite sample in it, and find all 
the
small meteorites that are doubtless in the ground (in various states of 
decay)
not too far from any of us.  Unfortunately, those devices are utterly 
fictional.


http://vood00.wordpress.com/2009/01/20/dowsing-stick-in-a-box/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium measuring and testing- disgression on dowsing...

[Michael Bross]

No Darren, although interesting.
It confirms that some individuals are better at dowsing than others... (see 
below)
This post is not enough related to Meteorites... so maybe we should continue 
off list.


My study was from Yves Rocard, one of the fathers of the French A bomb 
after WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yves_Rocard

There is absolutely nothing supernatural to it.
I am also a scientist, but don't reject everything that our modern science 
has too
often a tendency to classify as charlatanism mainly because of its inability 
to prove
it/them TODAY !.   (unfortunately, there are too many charlatans in those 
fields, obscuring

the real search for truth)

I read that article 25 years ago. Will try to find it. It was published in a 
most serious
special edition from Le Canard Enchaine, a reference in France, across the 
board.
Yves Rocard was simply saying that each and every human has an infinite 
amount of magnetite ?

(can't remember) or something alike at both our wrists.
This amount varies greatly between individuals, resulting in better 
capabilities for some

to find water sources etc...
When using a rod, especially hazelnut, an arch is produced with an intensity 
related to the amount

or depth of the water.

I worked 2 years in Nepal (1985-87) on an agricultural project.
An eye opening experience about empiric knowledge for a freshly graduated 
Agronomist I was!
I could talk about several examples, not scientifically proven yet but 
working.
Like suffering from a strong hepatitis there, loosing more than 10 lbs in 5 
days,
glowing fluorescent yellow... and being cured in 3 days with a mix of 56 
herbs... while in US

or France at that time, you could only spend a couple of months to be cured.
The doctor from the French Embassy gave me the contact to the healer...

Like some grandmas recipes neglected or mocked because not proven.
Last year, a scientific study finally proved the famous chicken (actually 
hen...) soup properties.


How many people know that Newton (and many other famous scientists) did 
serious alchemical

studies and writings in secrecy, to not tarnish their reputation... ?

If I do get my reputation tarnished with some on this list with this 
post... well, that's ok :)
But I also know that by using an old alchemical writing from the 13th 
century a major researcher
in Europe allowed companies to make major steps in arsenic cleanup in soils 
etc... reducing the cost

ten folds, although contradictory to modern science findings.

A bientot !
Michael B, France




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Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:44 PM
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On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:40:52 +0100, you wrote:


Thanks Darren

Good article. Although I will share later tonight a serious scientific
not much known study about water dowsing.


Or this?

http://www.csicop.org/si/9901/dowsing.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - La creme de la creme

[Michael Bross]

Hello Anne and list

Boy, would I love the Saint Michel one !
A place in France with special meaning to me
But just out my price range for now.

Anyway, I am glad to meet you in Ensisheim soon

You do have real nice pieces
la crème de la crème is not an exaggerated term !

A bientot !
Michael B, France



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Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - La creme de la creme



Hello everybody,

I only added a few pieces to my site this weekend, but what pieces! 
La

creme de la creme. Far rarer than West Texas!   :-)
What am I talking about?
Only Eagle Station, Katagum, a large slice of D'Orbigny, NWA 5000...
Just look for yourselves:  _http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm_
(http://www.impactika.com/MetList.htm)

And I have another 300-350 pieces to add to my Catalog. And that is not
counting thin-sections. So keep an eye on that Catalog!

And BTW, someone mentionned that West looks like Saint Michel. I do have a
nice large slice of Saint Michel, if you want to compare.

Thanks.


Anne M. Black
http://www.impactika.com/
impact...@aol.com
Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
http://www.imca.cc/
**Feeling the pinch at the grocery store?  Make dinner for $10 
or

less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood0001)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Iridium measuring and testing- disgression ondowsing...

[Michael Bross]

No
I am talking about Yves Rocard, also father of Michel Rocard, Prime minister 
in

France several years. Not a charlatan !

I really don't like your mocking comments ! To say the least !

I have been many years on a SERIOUS alchemical forum. Not talking about some 
stupid

way to change lead into gold and other such legends stuck to alchemy,
which I see as a proto chemistry... BUT regretting that modern chemistry has 
forgotten

parts of what alchemy had searched, notably empiric knowledge etc... !
The philosophical stone... well it is just and only philosophical, 
that's what real alchemy is about.


I am considered as a serious scientist... certainly more than the famous 
anesthesiologist

Dr. Reuben, who just showed the dark side of modern science:
(http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/11/health/research/11pain.html?_r=1scp=1sq=Reubenst=cse)

If you think he is the only one... think twice :)
And you have same in most other sciences, including agronomy and 
environmental studies that

I know most !

No, real alchemy was not any more the major science at Newton's time... ! 
get informed.
Go to the Vatican, which took all of the alchemical texts from the castle 
from Heidelberg

after WW2... or to Scotland...

Last but not least: if you had read my post in its entirety... you wouldn't 
talk like this,

unless... ??!

Enjoy your evening

Michael B, France


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ondowsing...



On Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:21:25 +0100, you wrote:


Yves Rocard was simply saying that each and every human has an infinite
amount of magnetite ?
(can't remember) or something alike at both our wrists.
This amount varies greatly between individuals, resulting in better
capabilities for some
to find water sources etc...
When using a rod, especially hazelnut, an arch is produced with an 
intensity

related to the amount
or depth of the water.


Ah, I see the source of the confusion here.  You mean midiclorians, not
magnetite.  And Yoda, not Yves.  Here's a quote from that paper:

Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm? Hmm. And 
well

you should not. For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life
creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous 
beings
are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, 
between

you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes. Even between the land and the
ship.



How many people know that Newton (and many other famous scientists) did
serious alchemical
studies and writings in secrecy, to not tarnish their reputation... ?


Very few people know that, given the fact that alchemy WAS the mainstream
science at the time-- there was nothing to hide.  Given the scientific 
knowledge

at the time, searching for the philosopher's stone was no less reasonable or
credible a scientific pursuit than any other (but which, in the end, turned 
out

to be based on an inaccurate model of the basis of matter.)  Chemestry as we
know it hadn't been invented yet.  Modern chemestry is what is left of 
alchemy

after many ideas in alchemy have been disproven (and some proven).
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[meteorite-list] Iridium (+ Osmium ? + Technetium ?) measuring and testing

[Michael Bross]

Hello List and Darren (re: 2 articles you posted in the past on the list)
Sorry, this will be a rather long post ! But please, I have newby 
questions.
I hope for a discussion even if West and now the Denmark finds attract most 
of the posts.


AS: I know... I haven't presented myself yet. Briefly, I was born in 
Strasbourg,

France, May 1961. Engineer in Agronomy, I spent most of my life overseas.
I returned recently to France after several years in USA (NY + Long Island)
Environmental consultant for many years, mainly for soil and groundwater 
pollution
data management, mapping and 3D visualization, I plan now to open a farm, in 
France or elsewhere.


My interest in meteorites is very new on the serious side, and being a 
Taurus ! I spent a lot of time
the last 3 weeks researching, getting informed etc... not to be too naive 
when posting.
So, I read a lot First is the beauty of most of the meteorite: shapes 
and differentiations.

But also, what makes meteorites different from Earth rocks/materials.

I am very happy to have joined your community, having exchanged emails with 
some of the members on
the list and hoping to meet most of you sooner or later like in Ensisheim 
this next June,

and enjoying the West discovery and hunt etc...

Now, Iridium: (or Osmium, or any other main element for measuring and 
testing meteorites)
Searching the archives of the List, I got 279 hits for Ir, BUT mainly about 
Ir flares, the Iridium satellite

network and Ir occuring in craters. I went thru about 1/2 of them.
You know Taurus/Bulls: stuborn, hard working, difficult to stop when they 
start...! :)


Darren, you had 2 posts:
1- Possible Ohio crater in Apr. 2005: not one response to it !
Another Mecca or alike ?
2- The wonderful wizards of Osmium (Apr 2008): few answers, but nothing 
about the unique extraterrestrial

signature of Osmium compared to Iridium (end of the post)

What I know so far:
- Iridium content in the Earth's crust is 0.001 ppm (or 1 ppb). Much more in 
the core.
- In meteorites it is 0.5 ppm or much more. The Willamette at the AMNH in 
NYC has 4.7 ppm Iridium.

= 500 or thousands time more.

A- measuring on the field/ meteorite finding/ first testing:
I read often that finders/hunters use magnets. What about a metal detector 
measuring Iridium ?
or is Iridium detection too close to other elements, or too small in content 
to be singled out ?

and what about Osmium ? or Technetium ?

B- testing
How is Iridium (or Osmium, or Technetium) analysed and tested ?
Is there any non-invasive way to test one or more of them, to keep the 
meteorite as is ?


It is 3 am for me, editing this post to be as concise as possible.
Hoping for some answers...

Have a great day
Michael B, France





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Re: [meteorite-list] West hunt notes.

[Michael Bross]

Hi Michael (and listers)

It has been great for me , new to this list, to follow the hunt in West.
And glad to see people like you still trying to recover as much as possible 
before

it is too late !

There are other posts I would have liked to answer to, there are just too 
many !

All the best
Michael B, France


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After spending a few hours and 10 miles of walking today, I found a 25 
gram complete meteorite. The heavy rain is taking it's toll on the West 
meteorite pieces. The stone I found was showing signs of oxidation. 
Strangly a large metal nodule shows no problems but there are spots on the 
crust with rust starting to show. Overall though, the stone is almost as 
good as the originals.
The ground here is saturated, every step is a sloshing/sinking feeling. 
The area got over 5-6 inches of rain, all ponds are pretty much full or 
overflowing, and Ash Creek where Greg Hupe found the famous mud stone 
was clearly a raging torrent only 24 hours ago. Today that spot was under 
3 or 4 feet of water. Thankfully Greg saved a wonderful meteorite from 
oblivion.
I expect to be here another day or so, then get back to Tucson and start 
sorting the Tucson show goodies, and updating my website.

Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] FW: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been found

[Michael Bross]

Hello everyone

Tip: to not break a weblink, just put it between (  )
like this:
(http://www.cphpost.dk/news/scitech/92-technology/44478-weekend-meteor-very-unusual.html)

Enjoy your weekend
Michael B


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From: Fries, Marc D marc.d.fr...@jpl.nasa.gov

To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 5:55 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] FW: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been found


Howdy all

   Thought this might be of interest.  It is from a Danish friend of mine,
and it came with a little postage-stamp of a picture that doesn¹t show much.
Email me off-list and I¹ll pass on the picture.

   Here¹s a link to a news item about the fall:

http://www.cphpost.dk/news/scitech/92-technology/44478-weekend-meteor-very-u
nusual.html

Cheers,
MDF


-- Forwarded Message
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:07:19 -0700
To: Fries, Marc D marc.d.fr...@jpl.nasa.gov
Subject: Meteorite over Denmark Jan 17 has been found

Hey  You,

FYI: The meteorite that fell over DK on Jan 17, and that was witnessed by
over 400 people has been found. Apparently it's a very rare one. The DK
newspaper reports that only 10 has ever been found worldwide and never with
the trajectory described by witnesses. They don't mention the type but I'm
sure it's reported on your 'hit lists'.

Here's a picture of the thingy.

Enjoy your weekend.

Claus




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Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Eric - Hi listers

I love that story. And what a beautiful meteorite.
Bravo to Tom Lynch for his attitude and gesture !
I personally feel they could have given him a little more... like 3000.
Don't you think ?

A bit surprised that the scientists in Chicago didn't react faster.
But well... they did it later.

related question: what is the law if you find a meteorite on your property
or public property or else ?
can someone send me a link to the laws basics on that subject ?

In France, if you find something valuable (treasure, archeological artifacts 
etc..)

on your property, you are called the inventor but the find belongs to the
State. I am not sure, if someone can confirm, I think the inventor gets
50% of the value of the find. But it must be less when objects of 
significant

and difficult to estimate historic value.

A bientot
Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com

To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned



I found article this in my email box this morning...

..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage 
sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he 
figured might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.


He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
50,000 years ago.


For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from 
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds, said Lynch, a retired 
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.


Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
realized that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the 
thing never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he 
held a magnet up to the object and it stuck.


He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
then to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. 
Yes, they said, it's a meteorite..


READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned

[Michael Bross]

Thanks Mike

Great looking postcards.
I prefer Ring to Basket...

Michael B, France



- Original Message - 
From: Mike Jensen meteoritepl...@gmail.com

To: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned


Hi Frank  list
I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
Basket and once referred to as the Ring meteorite. Some of the
postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
it?
http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net wrote:


Hello all,

Glad the basket meteorite is going home. I remember seeing a post card 
of it and thinking it was way cool. Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card in 
his collection.


Cheers,

Frank

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote:

From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM

I found article this in my email box this morning...

..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee rummage
sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he 
figured

might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.

He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some 
50,000

years ago.

For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds, said Lynch, a retired
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.

Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and 
realized

that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he held 
a

magnet up to the object and it stuck.

He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and 
then
to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes, 
they

said, it's a meteorite..

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned

[Michael Bross]

Hi Mike

From one side, it does actually look like the older rotin/rattan baskets 

with the handle
that I saw in my childhood in France in the 60s.
Ring is just more poetic...

What a beauty that other Ring meteorite ! where is it displayed ?

Michael B, France



From: Mike Jensen meteoritepl...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned



Hi Michael
A basket should hold something so it is hard to see how something with
a hole in it would make a good basket. But I guess the problem is
there is another well known ring meteorite from Arizona;
http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2003/August/ad04-tucson.jpg
I guess maybe minnie-me ring might work;
http://blog.oregonlive.com/houseoffame/2008/08/VernTroyerAP.jpg

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
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Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net 
wrote:

Thanks Mike

Great looking postcards.
I prefer Ring to Basket...

Michael B, France



- Original Message - From: Mike Jensen 
meteoritepl...@gmail.com

To: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be 
Returned



Hi Frank  list
I just put up a page that shows all of the postcards (4) I have of the
Basket and once referred to as the Ring meteorite. Some of the
postcards mention a weight of 49 pounds and even have the weight
written on the iron in white (paint?). I wonder if that is still on
it?
http://jensenmeteorites.com/Postcards/CanyonDiablo.htm

Mike


Mike Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
USA
720-949-6220
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com


On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:31 AM, Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net 
wrote:


Hello all,

Glad the basket meteorite is going home. I remember seeing a post card
of it and thinking it was way cool. Maybe Mike Jensen has the post card 
in

his collection.

Cheers,

Frank

--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com wrote:

From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritewatch.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stolen Canyon Diablo Meteorite To Be Returned
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:16 AM

I found article this in my email box this morning...

..This story begins not in a galaxy far away, but at a Milwaukee 
rummage

sale a few years ago. Tom Lynch paid $10 for an odd hunk of metal he
figured
might be copper or bronze with potential salvage value.

He had no idea it had dropped from space into the Arizona desert some
50,000
years ago.

For the last two years, it kept my grandson's basketball hoop from
blowing over in the yard. It weighs 50 pounds, said Lynch, a retired
foundry and General Motors worker who lives in South Milwaukee.

Recently, he saw a show about meteorites on the Travel Channel and
realized
that's probably what he had. It was curious, he thought, that the thing
never oxidized in the weather. Following advice from the TV show, he 
held

a
magnet up to the object and it stuck.

He took his 4.6 billion-year-old find to the Milwaukee Public Museum and
then
to Chicago's Field Museum last month. The scientists got excited. Yes,
they
said, it's a meteorite..

READ THE FULL ARTICLE
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/41069052.html


Wow! Now that's a cool looking meteorite.

Does anyone on-list remember this piece?

Regards,
Eric Wichman
Meteorites USA


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Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

[Michael Bross]

Hello Listers

Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar tree...
It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites.
Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...)

Good evening everyone
Michael B

PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf 
Historic meteorites etc...




- Original Message - 
From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com

Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.


Hi Martin and all,
   In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue
At length. However, the condensed version is: A man
Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when
It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt
Roads.
   It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self,
And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite
That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite
Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman
Road, would THAT make it a hammer?
   There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions.
They are, rather, matters of opinion.
   Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers
Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently
Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer
Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone
Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and
Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection
Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who
Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones
several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average
Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many
Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford).
I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer
Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in
Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them
because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500
to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end
up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen
Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but
Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...)
   Then, again, some specimens cannot be
Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis,
Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be
Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized
Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger.
   So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone
Will answer for themselves.
   Best wishes, Michael



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Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.

[Michael Bross]

Hi Graham and list

Sorry ! I was sending the link to the video at almost the same time you send 
it too !

Nice, great  coincidence :)

I have a photo from the meteorite in the trunk, but didn't keep the website 
source to it. (what a fool)
Quite impressive (but can't send it to the list, no attachment 
unfortunately)


If you don't have it I can send it to you off list. Let me know (but I am 
sure you have it !)


If you know anybody selling a part of it, I am interested

Good evening
Michael



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From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com
To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Bross 
elemen...@peconic.net

Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 12:49 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.



Hi Michael,

Check out Jeff's website here...excellent. The Sikhote video should be 
right up your street. Set aside 18 minutes and go back in time.  I like to 
think that I might have the piece of shrapnel that went straight through 
the huge tree that one guy illustrates by by poking a stick right 
throughwho knows. ;-)


Graham Ensor, UK.


 Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote:

Hello Listers

Personally, I would love the Sikhote-Alin one which struck a Cedar 
tree...

It would combine 2 passions: trees and the new one, meteorites.
Just dreaming :) (if even available, it must be so much $$$...)

Good evening everyone
Michael B

PS: thanks for your website Michael Blood, I learned a lot thru it cf
Historic meteorites etc...



- Original Message - 
From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net

To: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de; Meteorite List
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, 
LONG.



Hi Martin and all,
In my upcoming book, I will be addressing this issue
At length. However, the condensed version is: A man
Made artifact, animal or human leaves itself open when
It comes to streets - and even more controversial, dirt
Roads.
It is a personal line one has to draw for one's self,
And not always an easy one. I struggled with a meteorite
That struck a cultivated fruit tree and if a meteorite
Were to cause a significant pit in an ancient, rock Roman
Road, would THAT make it a hammer?
There really isn't a definitive answer to such questions.
They are, rather, matters of opinion.
Michael Gilmer recently asked how many hammers
Other collectors have I believe my collection is currently
Only about 64. However, even when comparing hammer
Collections there is a big variation in coparisons. If someone
Has 75 hammers, but they are all tiny, thumbnails and
Most of mine are rather large macromounts, which collection
Is the largest? Then, I know a good number of people who
Have REALLY nice sized hammers of full slices or whole stones
several hundreds of grams each, whereas mine might average
Closer to 5 grams each - mostly part slices. (Like so many
Of us, my collection is influenced strongly by what I can afford).
I do have a full slice of Kunashack and a fist sized hammer
Stone that was part of the original report found on a roof in
Thuathe, but they have to go if someone offers to buy them
because my income Does not support a huge collection of $2,500
to $5,000 each per specimen (and I would certainly like to end
up with a HUGE hammer collection. I would like to have a specimen
Of every known hammer fall - actual hammer stones, each, but
Such is, for all practical purposes, impossible...)
Then, again, some specimens cannot be
Had in larger sizes regardless of financiers, such as St. Louis,
Wethersfield '71 - and my Sylacauga would have to be
Considered huge even though it is an ultra thin quarter sized
Part slice - because it just cannot be had larger.
So, what is a hammer? Again, that is a question everyone
Will answer for themselves.
Best wishes, Michael



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Re: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound, Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates on meteorite recovery?

[Michael Bross]

Re-Hello Graham

Being new to the list, I am a bit overwhelmed... sorry !
But your name rang a bell...

So thank you for your valuable answer to this question !

Btw, does anybody else have anything to say/add to it ?

Michael B


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Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Parry Sound, Ontario meteor 5MAR08 any updates 
on meteorite recovery?




Hi Michael,

I have a small meteorite fragment from a fall in 2003 that was found 
within yards of a beach just weeks after. It had already deteriorated very 
badly because of the salty wet atmosphere. Pieces from further inland 
showed hardly any weathering...so I suspect that any meteorite containing 
nickel/iron (and most do) would not last long in salt water unless it was 
very large, and then it would also be less likely to be washed up. I think 
micro meteorite samples have however been recovered from sea 
sedimentsbut they are not likely to have iron in I suspect.


The regular meteor showers such as the Leonids have never had any 
confirmed/associated meteorites attached to them as far as I know as they 
are from dust trails we pass through (too small to survive). Many people 
have tried to look at the frequency of these showers and link them with 
meteorites with no definite success.


Hope that helps...I do not know of any meteorite that has been recorded 
being washed up on the beach...anybody else on the list know?


Graham Ensor, UK


 Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote:

 While I have heard nothing further, the linked maps suggest whatever
 survived may have splashed into Georgian Bay.
 Mark

Hello List

This makes me rebound on questions I had prepared for the list

- do you know of any occurrence of a meteorite found on a beach, coming 
from

the ocean ?
- if not, why ? Are they not looked for ? Or are they just not 
expectable

?

I lived many years on Long Island (NY) and remember especially the mid 
90s

with amazing tides:
El Nino + Equinox tides bringing ashore from the near coastal depths,
shells, beautiful weathered
glass pieces, stones, that we usually didn't see.
We found a 200 years old small snail like shell at Nino time. Just lying 
on

the beach.
Not counting old amazing Horseshoe crab shells...

There was also the magnificent and powerful Leonid shower from 1997 (or
1996?)
... some meteorites must have gone to the ocean, no ?

I am just very curious about this.
Off course the found meteorites would certainly be weathered, rounded 
etc...

by their
stay in the salty and rough ocean... but knowing that the undersea 
plateau

is wide and
long and that tides can bring up elements from this plateau floors... 
well,

there might be
some meteorites in it...
Or am I totally nut to think that way ?

And this would count for most of all coastal areas in the world.

Cheers
Michael Bross



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