Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Meteorite Info page
Greetings Don and all, I checked out your site and enjoyed reading your step by step on ebay buying. Wish you would include me on your site. I've only been selling for 22 years now. One other source and one mentioned in your webpage is here: http://meteorite-identification.com/wrongs1.html (I highly recommend that new bidders read this) It lists many things to look out for when buying on ebay. One thing that was not covered here on the list (recently) is sellers that find material that looks like a rarer type and intentionally sell it as the rare type on purpose. We have had one person who has done this and continues to sell to his customers who are probably trading material out and getting mis-represented material in our collections. He has been pointed out but collectors still buy from him so THEY are just as guilty as he is. I keep a listing of these buyers in case they want to trade with me. One other thing that collectors can do is to check out the Meteorite.com site out. It has a listing of reputable dealers to buy from. Buy from dealers who have been around for a while to protect yourself. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites (www.mitterling.com) almittmet (ebay seller name) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Temperature of meteorites
Greetings listees, ahhh the hot/cold debate rears it's head again. I appreciate Bernd's list of falls that seem to indicate warm more so than cold but there are many factors to consider when compiling data. In Bernd's list, how many of these warm specimens were observed by laymen?? Often there are other factors to consider and layman's observations can be often wrong. If a black specimen sits for very long in the sunlight it will absorb warmth and appear warm or hot. Things to consider, Fall dynamics. The space shuttles build up a lot of high heat during decent through the atmosphere. Shuttles have to cool for a while after landing. Meteoroids, depending on their fall speed, only pass through the atmosphere for a short period of time (seconds before dark flight) and don't have suffiecent time to build up heat. The ablating process often removes the molten material as the object falls keeping the specimen more or less at cold space temperature. Catching up or head on collision with Earth effects speed and temperature and fall dynamics. Spinning or stable flight (possible oriented specimen) affects temperature. Size of specimen and retention of cold from space. One thing for certain when thinking about the hot/cold debate. If meteoroids are heated up molten when they fall, then the chemistry would be altered and isotopes reset. Most meteorites don't have high heat alteration from falls or our ability to study them would be impossible. The age would be reset from the heating. The study of meteorites is the study of un-altered specimens from our solar systems past!! I tend to be a cold when they land believer but think a few can come down oriented and there is time for them to absorb some heat from the fall. Nininger investigated several falls seen by laymen that were frosted over but he was efficient at determaining facts based on the story tellers. There are a lot more considerations and facts about falls that are probably still not understood at this time. Fall dynamics are difficult to study unless you have an expert with equipment the second the fall occurs at the site when it happens. My hot and cold worth. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Temperature of meteorites - Correction of typo
Greetings, Hands down, meteorites are cold when they land :-) Apollo Astronauts reported the smell of gun powder from the moon dust. Perhaps many bodies in the solar system have that smell. Falling through the atmosphere should remove the regolith though, except where it is cemented in from past impacts and part of the interior of an meteoroid. --AL Mitterling Quoting bernd.pa...@paulinet.de: and that the *hand had kept* that smell for two days. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer
Hi Richard and all, If one figures the cost of going to the moon the returned lunar material as the only benifit, then the cost of $44,537,594.97 would be correct. However there were many, many other benifits as well. All of the NASA spin offs that many of us enjoy today including computers, velcrov, freeze dried foods and the list goes on in many ways I can't list have to also be taken into consideration. There are thousands of things that mankind has benifited from the space program. I would suggest that the cost of the lunar material coming from the moon to be only one of those benifits and the cost of the lunar material to be in the $50,000 to $200,000 per gram range. I have no effective way to figure exactly but my guess non the less. Most respectfully --AL Mitterling Quoting Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com: Below was my response to Shawn. Richard Kowalski ~~~ Pretty easy one Shawn, but I'm not sure it'll be the one you are thinking of, and I'm sure I won't be the 10th correct submission... Hadley Rille The Apollo missions cost, in 2005 dollars, ~170 Billion dollars. Returning with a total of 381.7 kg of material, thus each gram costs a whopping $44,537,594.97, so this is the cost, per gram of Hadley Rille, 5 years ago. The price has increased since then... Since Hadley Rille was an estimated in weight at 3 milligrams, the total cost of the entire meteorite was, again in 2005 dollars, $133,612.77 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer
Hi Mark and all, The subject is cost of lunar specimens and were going off topic by trying to discuss NASA spin offs but I'll reluctantly discuss it. First, show me where in my post I said that NASA invented the computer,velcro (thanks for the spelling) and freeze dried food. They simply took ideas and made them better for space flight which were then used by same companies or borrowed by other companies and why we have those products today. Computers components were made smaller and downsized, better velcro was figured out and used, and I don't know really know about freezed dried food but did the Incas and Victorian England make vacuums to pull the moisture out without further cooking the food? I doubt it. They probably dehydrated foods instead. One can do a search of the NASA spinoffs during the Apollo era and see there were many and those innovations were a benefit to people, simple. So my statement that the cost of lunar material can't be totally figured to the total cost of the Apollo Program is correct and I believe on target. It would be difficult to really figure out the true cost yet. Having been involved in reporting and space flight launch photography during part of that era, and having seen the many NASA provided pamphlets addressing space spin offs from Apollo, you can argue that it wasn't that big of a improvement or deal but I'll always disagree. That's it for this subject. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Mark Ford mark.f...@ssl.gb.com: the NASA spin offs that many of us enjoy today including computers, velcrov, freeze dried foods and the list goes on in many ways I can't list have to also be taken into consideration. Except that Computers, Velcro and Freeze dried foods where NOT invented by Nasa for the space program! - The hook-and-loop fastener (Velcro) was invented in 1941 by Swiss engineer, George de Mestral from Commugny, Switzerland - Computers where invented in the 1940's and already in widespread in academia BEFORE the Apollo era. - Freeze dried foods where used by the Inca's, and in Victorian England. The often misquoted Lunar program spin offs where not nearly as widespread as is often touted, granted there were many advances, but using the few spin off's as sole justification for multibillion dollar space programs is maybe stretching it.. We should go back to the moon though for sure! Mark -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of almi...@localnet.com Sent: 29 November 2010 08:21 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BLACK FRIDAY POP QUIZ Answer Hi Richard and all, If one figures the cost of going to the moon the returned lunar material as the only benifit, then the cost of $44,537,594.97 would be correct. However there were many, many other benifits as well. All of the NASA spin offs that many of us enjoy today including computers, velcrov, freeze dried foods and the list goes on in many ways I can't list have to also be taken into consideration. There are thousands of things that mankind has benifited from the space program. I would suggest that the cost of the lunar material coming from the moon to be only one of those benifits and the cost of the lunar material to be in the $50,000 to $200,000 per gram range. I have no effective way to figure exactly but my guess non the less. Most respectfully --AL Mitterling Quoting Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com: Below was my response to Shawn. Richard Kowalski ~~~ Pretty easy one Shawn, but I'm not sure it'll be the one you are thinking of, and I'm sure I won't be the 10th correct submission... Hadley Rille The Apollo missions cost, in 2005 dollars, ~170 Billion dollars. Returning with a total of 381.7 kg of material, thus each gram costs a whopping $44,537,594.97, so this is the cost, per gram of Hadley Rille, 5 years ago. The price has increased since then... Since Hadley Rille was an estimated in weight at 3 milligrams, the total cost of the entire meteorite was, again in 2005 dollars, $133,612.77 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us. Email i...@ssl.gb.com. You should not copy or use this email or attachment(s) for any purpose nor disclose their contents to any other person. GENERAL STATEMENT: Southern Scientific Ltd's computer systems may be monitored and communications carried on them recorded, to secure the effective operation of the system and for other lawful purposes. Registered address Rectory Farm Rd,
Re: [meteorite-list] Tally of Falls in the Last 10 years
Hi Mike, Patrick and all, Then from Jan. 01, 2000 to Dec.1, 2010 there have been 56 falls in eleven years (11 yr).Interesting. --AL Mitterling Quoting Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com: Hi Patrick, Yes, I meant to say from Jan 01, 2000. :) Best regards, MikeG On 11/30/10, Patrick Wiggins p...@wirelessbeehive.com wrote: Hi, If you are really meaning ...falls in the 21st century. shouldn't the list start on 2001 JAN 01, the beginning of the 21st century and not since 2000AD? Or maybe did you mean since the start of the 2000s? patrick On 30 Nov 2010, at 15:52, Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: With Lorton now being official (thanks to Greg S. for pointing this out), here is a break down of types for all official meteorite falls in the 21st century. Only falls that are officially-approved and appear in the Met Bulletin are counted. Type : Total falls since 2000AD (56 total falls) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Details on Mbale
Hi Regine, Having been a collecor during that time, I can verify from personal information I read (I believe in sky and telescope) that the people did think it was a cure from heaven for aids and ground it up and used it in that form. One small stone also struck a boy in the head (hammer stone). A few buildings where damaged from the fall. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Regine Petersen fips_br...@yahoo.de: Hi all, there is a story circulating on the locals of Mbale having eaten meteorite powder in the belief it was a divine cure for Aids. Can anyone back that up with a source / more details? Thanks, R. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters?
Greetings, Here is a thread that WD40 was talked about in the past. You can use this date to go back and view all the comments. Apparently there was a prior thread on the same subject even further back. --AL Mitterling Re: [meteorite-list] WD-40 Eric Twelker Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:49:26 -0700 Hello List Possibly one of the sources of the idea that WD-40 contains water is my preservation page. The reason I wrote this was personal experience. When I was starting out in the business, I bought a gallon can of WD-40 at the hardware store. I poured it into a glass container to treat some meteorites. In the bottom, sitting in an immiscible layer was something that sure looked like water to me. I didn't analyzed the layer, but when I heard that WD-40 contained water, I was convinced. Regards, Eric Twelker http://www.meteoritemarket.com Hi Mark, Did they sum it up in 6 words?? I would like to know why it doesn't contain water. If they have tanks that sit empty for any length of time there is bound to be some moisture from that alone. While it may be true it contains very little moisture (so the customer relations can state it doesn't have water as they want you to use their product) it still may contain enough to do damage to something susceptible to oxidation (like meteorites). To say it has no moisture in it at all, well I have a hard time believing that from them. Sometimes you have to really define terms and break apart information to get to the truth of the matter. A few well chosen words on their part really bother me. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Quoting Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com: The formula for WD40 is secret. however... ...WD-40 literally stands for Water Displacement, 40th attempt... http://www.wd40.com/faqs/ WD40 does not contain water... ;)Wouldn't it seem counter intuitive to add water to a product which displaces water? Wired Science article about the ingredients of WD40: http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside ...What does WD-40 contain? - While the ingredients in WD-40 are secret, we can tell you what WD-40 does NOT contain. WD-40 does not contain silicone, kerosene, *water*, wax, graphite, chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), or any known cancer-causing agents... http://www.wd40.com/faqs/ Nantan has a bad rep for rusting, however, usually only the outer surface of the irons are rusted. Smaller irons rust deeper into the interior of the metal in relation to it's size. The level of oxidation depends on the size of the specimen and partly on where within any given specimen the slice is cut from. The treatment and prep work on a finished piece of etched Nantan also plays a large part in whether it rusts or not. Regards, Eric On 12/6/2010 10:11 AM, Gary Fujihara wrote: I wouldn't use WD40 on any mets, as it contains water and smells. Like Al mentioned, a good low viscosity gun oil like Remington Rem-Oil wipes work well without any aroma. As an added bonus the application wipes clean mets while lubricating them. Also, as Matt mentioned, there are problem and stable specimens from most any iron or pallasite meteorite. Another factor is how they were prepared. And its not just irons and pallasites, as I've had Ghubaras and Tsarevs that self destruct by themselves. gary On Dec 6, 2010, at 8:00 AM, al mitt wrote: Hi Ed and all, This has been discussed before and I believe the consensus was that WD40 can have moisture in it that will promote rust. It depends on the batch but there is varying degrees of water contained in this lubricant. It might not be so good for Nantans but more stable irons like Gibeon would probably be fine. A good grade gun oil like Birchwood brand, Barricade seems to do better in my experience but smells a bit. Bottom line here, Nantans are often unstable and may have been weathered to the point you'll never be very successful at drying them out. These are notorious rusters. I like very much your idea of a list of meteorites that are problems specimens. Perhaps we could develop a rating system (1 to 10), (stable, mostly stable, partly stable, unstable, extremely unstable) or something similar and a listing of specimens. Even the metal in ordinary chondrites can rust. An example is Ghubara, Omen. About half of the pallasites out there are problem specimens, and a number of irons are. Best! --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Ed Majdenepmaj...@shaw.ca To:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 06, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] List of known Rusters? Does anyone have a list of known Iron meteorite rusters? The sample of Nantan China I have split into several pieces. I have been using WD40 on the pieces to retard further problems but this does not work
Re: [meteorite-list] Fairfield iron meteorite
Hi Dave and all, Having purchased some of the Fairfield Meteorite from the finder and cut the material into slices, I have some comments about it. First the matrix seem very tight and the specimen had rust on the outside but was very stable on the inside. I was worried about it going bad for my customers but after having kept an eye on it after processing I was amazed at how nice this meteorite was. I still have a couple of unfinished slices that I need to work yet so I can trade them but even those are not showing any signs of problems after cutting. I do dry out my material after cutting and lapping. I'll have to look in the Iron Handbooks to see what was said on the terrestrial age of the material and how long it might have been in the ground. It may be the water table was low at time of impact and later on it raised contaminating the outside of the meteorite later on. I'll try to get back on comments from the iron meteorite handbooks (if Bernd doesn't beat me to it :-) --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites www.mitterling.com Quoting Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com: Hi List, Speaking of known meteorites that rust and ones that dont that bad, brings up a question about the Fairfield meteorite. All my life I lived within 8 miles where it was found at the gravel pit here in Butler county Ohio. It was found at a depth of between 70 to 120 feet deep in the sand and gravel left by the Wisconson Glacier. You have to only dig down 15-20 feet befor everything is submerged in water, part of the miami valley aquifer, and as far as I know it has been like that since 18,000 to 14,000 years ago. If the Fairfield meteorite was in water for that amount of time I would think it would had rusted away completly 1000's of years ago?? Or was it a huge meteorite at one time, and the 1.6 kg that was recovered is what was left?? Just wondering your thoughts on that. dave __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Good read about the moon being captured by Earth
Greetings, The Earth capture theory creates a lot of problems due to the size of the Earth/Moon system. I believe it is physically impossible. It has long been discarded as a viable theory. More likely an impact occured with the Earth during formation. At least that is the most logical idea put forth so far. I guess that bad ideas are defended until the death of the person that generated the idea. Tektites also come to mind. --AL Mitterling Quoting MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com: - Original Message From: Greg Catterton Subject: [meteorite-list] Good read about the moon being captured by Earth about a year old but a good read and something to consider. I think this theory is more plausible also. Maybe the moon was hit and knocked towards Earth and was captured. Yeah...BUT.Capture theory doesn't address the identical oxygen isotope ratios shared by Terra and Luna. Nor our 23° axis tilt. Nor the migration dynamics to move .88 AU in 100 million years to be in place for the capture. According to the article, Malcuit has been working on this for several decades. While Malcuit wasn't looking up from his desk, he may have missed the little isotope-ratio thingy. While some rocks in Australia were dated to 4.0±.03 billion, the claim for the oldest earth rocks dated were in the range of 3.8-4.3 billion( a one half billion error margin) leaving 400-500million years for the surface to re-congeal--which the author doesn't think is adequate. The wack obviously would have excavated some of the mantle but not necessarily the core. I haven't seen the math, so I don't know if the envelope of possibilities allow for some deep-crust plutons to have avoided being disrupted. Maybe we need to be looking for plutons with giant shattercones rather than micrometer-sized zircon crystals. Another caveat in this dating is it isn't the rocks themselves which are that old-- its the un-remelted zircons within them and a giant wack would not necessarily have melted every last reservoir of zircon. The zircons in Australia were in much younger sandstone. I'd like to know more about the mechanism of capture to convert a highly elliptical orbit (which would be likely be passing inside the Roche radius of the earth 16 times per year) into an almost circular one. ( I'd like to hear more about the wack from the orbit from inside Mercury and how the Moon would have retained so much silicate content which should have been boiled away). While we know there is a small, permanent, tidal bulge, on the backside of the moon, the moon is far far less ellipsoid then predicted given the perturbations of the Roche limit would have exerted over part of the 3 billion years of stabilizing--AND the moon would have to have been largely plastic-- if not molten , for the ellipsoid to become spherical. BUT the moon is missing compression ridges that would have been left by the tectonics a solid crust floating on a plastic lunar mantel. I do agree that the churning would have heated both earth and the moon if the moon had survived the capture for any length of time--according to this theory. And we have calculated the rate the moon is moving away from us such that 400mybp we had 20 hour days. So where is the orbital mechanics that got the moon so close and only to let it assume a different orbital radius? The mechanism should have been a single vector not first one than another. I would also like to know what these geologically impossibilities are the author did not elaborate on other than his argument on cooling rates and the inferred earliest age the zircons could have formed that we use to date the oldest rocks. This is the first I've heard that the Big Wack was estimated to have occurred after the earth had formed oceans. Finally, some do believe there were a dozen or more bodies in the very early solar system that were ejected out of the solar system else were absorbed into a body that yet remains. Calculations show that there are resonances and that bodies have moved into orbits other than the ones they were formed in but IIRC these were largely inward migrations(?). What wacker knocked the moon into a radical orbit and where is the wacker today? Seems someone has too much of their life invested in a theory overcome by events to accept that it is only a matter of time before the memorial service. Thanks, however, was a good read and I think we are open minded enough to weigh the facts. Now if I can just get someone to agree with me about cold vs hot meteorites... Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery
Greetings, Here is something I put together on Oscar Monnig for another forum. I borrowed heavily from the TCU site. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Greetings, This is in regards to the Oscar Monnig Collection. Oscar Monnig was the Harvey Nininger of Texas and mid south region when it came to meteorites. He was born in Texas (Forth Worth and Dallas area) and became a lawyer and family business man in the area. He had an interest in astronomy and Meteorites. In the early-1930s he started his own private meteorite collection, due in part from other institutions cold reception of having him study their specimens. He had made many requests to do so. Of these institutions were the Smithsonian Institution, the Field Museum, and the American Museum of Natural History. This gave way to his increased interest in generating his own private collection for study. He interviewed witnesses of meteor detonations or bolides (exploding fireballs) and he organized and financed in searching expeditions. He paid 1 dollar per pound, a price that museums could not match at the time of the Great Depression. Buying specimens out from under the institutions that had snubbed him! He worked with Harvey Nininger in the field when they happened upon a fall at the same time. The two would always cooperate on such a fall. (don't see that today do you!) His collection slowly grew to be one of the largest and great private collections in the world: it contained about 3,000 specimens from 400 different meteorites. Two impressive specimens both in scientific value and uniqueness were two carbonaceous chondrites, found at Crescent, Oklahoma, in 1936 and the Bells, Texas Meteorite, found in 1961. In order to find a permanent home for his collection in the Forth Worth area were he was from, Monnig later decided to donate the collection to Texas Christian University. A number of transfer of specimens, between 1976 and 1986 were made. The collection contains over 1,000 different meteorites. In 2003, four years after he died, the Oscar E. Monnig Meteorite Gallery was opened, exhibiting about 10 per cent of the meteorites to the public. A side note that Dr. Elhman the past curator of the collection, took time to further expand the collection by taking extras and making trades with other institutes to further increase the collection to it's current greatness. Dr. Elhman mentioned to me that Oscar would never turn down a farmer who had a meteorite, and always paid them. This generated a knowledge if you found a meteorite and took it to him, he would buy it. This kept a steady flow of specimens coming his way. He was a wise old German who was smart with his money and the many meteorites he found. He did write a few good papers on the Odessa, Texas Meteorite Craters. --AL Mitterling References and some interesting sites to learn more about the collection and the man! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Monnig http://monnigmuseum.tcu.edu/oscar.htm Biography of Oscar http://monnigmuseum.tcu.edu/ Quoting Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com: Hello, all, I stumbled onto this site worth viewing - Oscar E. Monnig's meteorite gallery: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4299332/Main/4298136 http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4299332/Main/4298136 Cheers, Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: SALE! 40% OFF My PRICES
Greetings, Since Most everyone is in Tucson, thought I would offer some interesting offerings on eBay for those who are bored. I am offering items on eBay for 40% off my normal catalog prices. I have NOT marked prices higher to discount them. Some items are below my cost! I may list more specimens if I don't end up too far in the hole. I don't bid up my own auctions and I don't have friends bid my items up. There are bargins for some nice sized specimens. Good luck! Items include: Nice big Slice of Seymchan, Tektite kit with 5 unique tektites, Poweellsville, OH, 2 Lost City specimens .88 gram and 1.4 gram, Richfield Kansas LL3.7, A Canyon Diablo from Meteor Crater, an HED Meteorite kit with one each of a howardite, eucrite, and a diogenite, EL Hammammi crusted slice with shock vein, Gibeon Slice, Ghubara whole individual 436 grams (about a pound), Gao H5 fragment 80% complete, Kora Korabis, Namibia H5 breccia fragment 469.2 gram, Millbillillie, Australia eucrite whole individual 100% crust. See my link below. http://shop.ebay.com/almittmet/m.html Feel free to contact me off list or through eBay. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites www.mitterling.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Why Are Death Valley's Rocks Moving Themselves? -- not off-topic at all!
Rock and Roll! ;-) --AL __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Trials and Tribulations in Dealing with Landowners
Greetings Darren and all, The link you give is for terrestrial peridot. Steve is trying to sell peridot from space rocks which is more unique. If you just want peridot then there is plenty of that. If you want peridot from space rocks there are only about 40 some falls and finds of this type of material making it much more rare. --AL Mitterling Quoting Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net: On Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:00:28 -0500, you wrote: It is my understanding that they are considerably more rare than diamonds yet are priced well below the cost of an equivalent flawless diamond. http://www.arizona-peridot.com/Peridot_Prices.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Water Jet Cutting
Greetings, About ten years back I experimented with water jets for cutting material. Besides the water they used garnet as the abrasive in the water. There are different stream sizes they can use. Sizes don't come to me as I am writing this from memory. I cut some Odessa, Texas irons. Those have many inclusions and the jet would whip around in the material and remove the silicates in the iron and leave a big gaping hole. I like the surface where it was relatively flat. it would still require lapping after cutting it. I soaked the specimens on the spot in a high percentage alcohol to try to rid it of some of the high pressure moisture it experience and you would want to put the specimen in a drier for a period to remove moisture which is some what of a problem. They did use distilled water in their system. I think cutting irons that are more homogeneous might work better but then you never know what your going to get when you cut and you could eat a unique inclusion out on your specimen using this method. I think the problem using this method is two fold. First your impregnating the specimen with water that has to be dried out in order to preserve it. Second anything that isn't uniform in composition and varies results in fast cutting in one spot and slow cutting in another spot. The first area to be cut then is exposed to abrasion and pitting from bouncing particles which has to be lapped out. Also the cost is not effective unless you have rare material and do you really want to expose something rare to that type of pressure. It could disintegrate. Cutting something friable would be a really bad idea as you are working with shop people who might not be clear on the concept of a rare material. My assessment is that it is not an effective way to cut specimens. Lap saws with a 1/100 thick blade or wire saw is much more effective. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Guenther abe.guent...@mnsi.net: I am wondering if anyone has had success getting a meteorite sliced by a commercial water jet cutting machine? A friend of mine has a high grade machine that cost him about a million dollars. If any water jet could do it, I would imagine his could. Thanks, Abe Guenther __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not to worry. Nukes are good?
Greetings Sterling and all, Last OT post for me here, right or wrong. My information comes from a Cook Nuclear Scientist who gave our astronomy group a program topic a few years back. No doubt I can't remember exactly what he said and my information may need updating. How ever one thing he did mention was with the use of water as a moderator, was a safety feature that would prevent a melt down. No water no reaction. Cited is a Wikipedia article. It mentions graphite moderator componets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster This event exposed the graphite moderator components of the reactor to air and they ignited; Perhaps it was the compents that warped and the rods couldn't be moved, locking them in and allowing the core meltdown. In any case it was a dangerous mess and your right the Japanese system works different.Hope they get things under control. --AL Mitterling Quoting Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net: List, Al Mitterling pulled Chernobyl into this. Chernobyl was a graphite pile with pressurized water cooling and with NO containment vessel. In a graphite pile, graphite is NOT a control material and the control rods were not graphite rods. Fukushima is not a graphite pile; Chernobyl is irrelevant to the Fukushima discussion. And the suggestion that correct procedure for a water- moderated reactor is let it boil off and expose the core to a meltdown is ludicrous. Graphite is a moderator. The moderator makes the chain reaction happen. Moderators are substances that slow the velocity of neutrons down until they are thermalized, or moving with the kinetic energy of room temperature. In the case of a neutron, that is the speed of an old man crossing his living room (or me on a bad day). Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Hi Steve and all, Seems the money could have been used to promote sales rather than wasted in court. You both would have come out ahead. Sorry that you had to spend the money to defend yourself. With this slow economy it is understandable that sales of big ticket items are hard to sell. Perhaps things will turn around. All my best and glad you won your case. Note Not related to this post: Didn't Art say drop the off topic posts that are still going on in the forum --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting meteorh...@aol.com: FYI: The plaintiff's legal bills were over $220,000 and my legal bills were over $250,000. Add the court costs and time invested without any compensation to neither the plaintiff nor the defendant, this court case cost over $500,000. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: meteorh...@aol.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:06:38 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: meteorh...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GREAT PHOTOS (EoM)
Hi John and all, Also see the May issue 2004 of Meteorite Magazine for more on the Smithsonian Collection. I took photos of specimens and gave my account of the visit with the readers of Meteorite Magazine. Nice article to read before you go. --AL Mitterling Quoting John Lutzon Russ Finney, I'm not sure of who i'm more jealous of--YOU--for being so close to all of those beauties or THE--Smithsonian: US National Museum (USNM) for not choosing my house to store them in, instead of some musty old museum. I'm still very much upset but in either case--GREAT PHOTOS!! John IMCA# 1896 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Here is a donation! WisconsinSchool displaydonations and offerings
Hi Werner, Exactly my thoughts. Can't say something nice then keep it to yourself. The're trying to buy material to give to a school. Joe has offer material and will be willing to take a loss, making the specimen both available and less costly by the donations of others being given. Can't blame Joe for not wanting to take a full loss on the item. At least he is dontating and not complaining. Nuff said. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting WS Schroer schr...@bigpond.com: Is it really necessary to start now an argument about what someone donates and thinks about it? Who cares how people see their own donations ? What matters is that they donate something at all. That's my two bobs worth from Australia. Werner Schroer - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Here is a donation! WisconsinSchool displaydonations and offerings Saying you would lose something by describing your donation as a loss is kinda screwed up way to give don't ya think? Regards, Eric On 5/17/2010 8:39 PM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Joe Kerchnerskyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:35:34 To:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Here is a donation! Wisconsin School displaydonations and offerings I offered a 5.3g piece for a good price. I would lose over $100, I would count that as my donati n. Best wishes Joe kerchner __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OR man finds meteorite on roadside 11yrs ago/AD
Greetings, Everything that is east of the Cascades in Oregon is a semi desert. It is both very dry, Isolated and there are roads that stretch on for a hundred miles without gas, food and shelter. The Oregonites call it the Oregon outback! The problem hunting Oregon is there is many stones out in the field and it makes hunting nearly impossible. Not that it shouldn't be tried. I think Oregon passed their meteorite law so when and if the Port Orford is ever found they can lay claim ;-) See my ebay auctions ending in 5 hours under almittmet --AL Mitterling Quoting Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com: Here is a link to a story of an OR man finding a meteorite on the roadside 11ys ago and after wathching a show on meteorites took it to get tested and it turns out to be a meteorite that landed between 200 and 800 years ago. They said it was pristine, I think if it would have landed that long ago in OR it would have been quite weathered. Also I dont see it sitting on the roadside for very long, unless it is an unmarked road used for farming or something. Anyone heard anything more on this? http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Meteorite-found-along-Ore-road-estimated-at-45-billion-years-old-95216014.html Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OR man finds meteorite on roadside 11yrs ago
Greetings, Everything that is east of the Cascades in Oregon is a semi desert. It is both very dry, Isolated and there are roads that stretch on for a hundred miles without gas, food and shelter. The Oregonites call it the Oregon outback! The problem hunting Oregon is there is many stones out in the field and it makes hunting nearly impossible. Not that it shouldn't be tried. I think Oregon passed their meteorite law so when and if the Port Orford is ever found they can lay claim See my ebay auctions ending in 5 hours under almittmet --AL Mitterling Quoting Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com: [Hide Quoted Text] Here is a link to a story of an OR man finding a meteorite on the roadside 11ys ago and after wathching a show on meteorites took it to get tested and it turns out to be a meteorite that landed between 200 and 800 years ago. They said it was pristine, I think if it would have landed that long ago in OR it would have been quite weathered. Also I dont see it sitting on the roadside for very long, unless it is an unmarked road used for farming or something. Anyone heard anything more on this? http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Meteorite-found-along-Ore-road-estimated-at-45-billion-years-old-95216014.html Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com http://skyrockcafe.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: eBay Auctions ending in 1,2,3 and 4 days
Greetings, I have a variety of eBay auctions ending in the next one to four days. These include a nice crusted Lost City part slice, Lafayette, Indiana, Powellsville, Ohio full slice, Norton County, Gibeon, A Monnig Tulia, Texas slice, tektite kit, Monahans, Texas 1998, Long Island, KS, EL Hammami 90.6 gram crusted slice, Odessa, Texas individual, Wagon Mound and much more. See auctions here: http://shop.ebay.com/almittmet/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 Thank you for looking! AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites www.Mitterling.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Statement re LOST CITY-first meteorite fall to be photographedin the USA :)
Hi Frank and all, I was going to post that page but you beat me to it. While there is controversy on the Pasamonte fireball, I believe it is the actual photo of the meteor in flight and at the time of it entering into slower than sound flight as posted on David Weir's page. The UNW page refers to it as a meteor photo, Link here: http://epswww.unm.edu/meteoritemuseum/virtualtour/world.htm Also Nininger who was the the first to talk to Brown states it was a meteor in flight from Browns details. (first class information). Link here: http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu//full/1936PA.44..331N/331.000.html (maybe this has been posted already). I am sure there will be continued controversy on this meteor photo. --AL Mitterling Quoting Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net: Hi Shawn and all, David Weir has a link to the Pasamonte meteorite that you may have missed. A link to his site follows: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ I might add that Nininger was of the opinion that Brown's photo was of the actual meteor in flight and published in 1934 a somewhat lengthy account of it. The paper is titled The Great Meteor of March 24, 1933. It was published in Popular Astronomy (Vol. XLII, no. 6, pp. 291-306). All the best, Frank __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earth in 2182
Hi Greg and Greg, 72 years or 172 years, if you are around you'll wish you'd taken better care of yourself. :-) --AL Mitterling Quoting GREG LINDH gee...@msn.com: Hi Greg, I really suck at math, even so, I believe that would be 172 years from now, not 72, so you definitely won't be around. Greg From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:23:46 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earth in 2182 Wow - that's only 72 years from now... Don't think I'll be around Greg S. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/28/massive-asteroid-hit-earth-warn-scientists/?test=faces Scientist Warns Massive Asteroid Could Hit Earth in 2182 A large asteroid in space that has a remote chance of slamming into the Earth would be most likely hit in 2182, if it crashed into our planet at all, a new study suggests. The asteroid, called 1999 RQ36, has about a 1-in-1,000 chance of actually hitting the Earth, but half of that risk corresponds to potential impacts in the year 2182, said study co-author María Eugenia Sansaturio of the Universidad de Valladolid in Spain. Sansaturio and her colleagues used mathematical models to determine the risk of asteroid 1999 RQ36 impacting the Earth through the year 2200. They found two potential opportunities for the asteroid to hit Earth in 2182. The research is detailed in the science journal Icarus. The asteroid was discovered in 1999 and is about 1,837 feet (560 meters) across. A space rock this size could cause widespread devastation at an impact site in the remote chance that it hit Earth, according to a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences. Scientists have tracked asteroid 1999 RQ36's orbit through 290 optical observations and 13 radar surveys, but there is still some uncertainty because of the gentle push it receives from the so-called Yarkovsky effect, researchers said. The Yarkovsky effect, named after the Russian engineer I.O. Yarkovsky who proposed it around 1900, describes how an asteroid gains momentum from thermal radiation that it emits from its night side. Over hundreds of years, the effect's influence on an asteroid's orbit could be substantial. Sansaturio and her colleagues found that through 2060, the chances of Earth impacts from 1999 RQ36 are remote, but the odds increase by a magnitude of four by 2080 as the asteroid's orbit brings it closer to the Earth. The odds of impact then dip as the asteroid would move away, and rise in 2162 and 2182, when it swings back near Earth, the researchers found. It's a tricky orbital dance that makes it difficult to pin down the odds of impact, they said. The consequence of this complex dynamic is not just the likelihood of a comparatively large impact, but also that a realistic deflection procedure (path deviation) could only be made before the impact in 2080, and more easily, before 2060, Sansaturio said in a statement. After 2080, she added, it would be more difficult to deflect the asteroid. If this object had been discovered after 2080, the deflection would require a technology that is not currently available, Sansaturio said. Therefore, this example suggests that impact monitoring, which up to date does not cover more than 80 or 100 years, may need to encompass more than one century. By expanding the timeframe for potential impacts, researchers would potentially identify the most threatening space rocks with enough time to mount deflection campaigns that are both technologically and financially feasible, Sansaturio said. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] List is Quiet
Greetings, The list isn't too active. Everyone must be watching the Meteorite Men. I've been enjoying it. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: eBay Auctions ending in 16 hours
Greetings, I have 4 ebay auctions ending in about 16 hours. See auctions here: search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZalmittmet --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Mitterling.com (website) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The most expensive meteorite per gram?
Greetings, Just a note that DAG 262 was the first readily available Lunar meteorite on the market followed by DAG 400. Calcalong Creek, Australia was first available meteorite for sale at a cost of $1,000,000 per gram to my understanding. I am not sure if any sold at that price. Rob, Martin posted a listing of lunars and Martians I believe. I was recalling from memory (a dangerous thing) so I could be a little off on those. I will say that at one time and this may have changed with more finding of Martian Meteorites, that about 6 impact spots on Mars was believed to account for all the Martian Material we have in our collections. Based off of Lipshultz's study at Purdue, Indiana. Not sure if a study has been done on impact sites on the Moon and how many there might be, but I do know that the lunar meteorite specimens represent a sampling from different spots (including the far side of the Moon) Apollo Lunar material seems to be unique, making all samples very important for science. We landed on relatively smooth surfaces for reasons of safety. Also out of the nearly a half ton of lunar material in human collections (most from Apollo Landings), 1/8 of the material is from lunar meteorites. Hope I haven't strayed too far off subject. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor shower meteorite dropping events
Hi Chris and all, I'm sure your aware of the relationship of meteors vs fireball events working on trying to photograph them. For those less familiar, and my thoughts regarding these events, meteor showers are associated with comets and are the trailing debris behind the comet. When the earth enters an orbit of a comet we usually have some sort of meteor shower. This material is very fine and it doesn't take much to make a nice streak in our atmosphere. Could there be chunks of heavier material, there could be. As we send space craft out to various comets we should have a better idea of composition and if stony or iron material is present. Since comets formed out in the far reaches of our solar system the materials making up comets should be fine icy particles. Fireball events that drop meteorites are normally coming from collisions in the asteroid belt where the meteoriods make their way into the inner solar system. Now commenting on the possibility of an iron meteorite falling from a meteor shower, while it can't be ruled out completely, most likely the iron just happen to fall during the shower and isn't related to the cometary debris or comet. A chance happening during the shower that gives the illusion that it fell as part of the debris. It would be hard to prove it one way or the other, unless a good set of photographs or expert whitnesses could plot an orbit showing it to be a part of the shower. I'm incline to think it was unrelated. Certain carbonaceous meteorites have been suggested to be cometary debris. The friable nature of the material would make survival of this material rare. I would guess it would have to be material that has to catch up with the Earth and fall at lower speeds in order to survive the fall. I believe that we still lack any absolute evidence of any material coming from meteor showers at this point. Meteorites fall randomly and it isn't impossible for them to fall during a meteor shower, unrelated to the shower event. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com: I know of one meteor shower (November Andromedids) where an iron meteorite fell in Mazapil, Mexico during the shower. Are there any similar events? Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2010 Perseids
Hi Wayne and all, Sounds like a nice one! A comment on astronomy and observing. As much as I like a good beer, we had a eye doctor comment at an astronomy convention (in a talk) about observing medically speaking. He suggested that beer and other drinks tend to make your eyes less sensitive while observing. A candy bar was useful in making your eyes more sensitive to faint objects. Since meteors vary in intensity, serious observers need to dark adapt for observing and avoid those things that might hurt recording meteor fall numbers. Something to contemplate while sipping your beer. Not that it would keep me from indulging while watching the shower. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Wayne Holmes holm...@frontiernet.net: 8:45 MST time approx. A real beauty east of Prescott AZ traveling north to south along the horizon for at least 2 seconds +. Large flash and a trail. What a beaut. Almost dropped my beer. This was in the city lights from our home on the couch. Wayne __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Magnet canes are evil
Greetings, The problem with using magnet canes are, once a meteorite is touched then the weak field in the specimen (and the parent body it came from) will be altered. A magnet field may be one way of pairing specimens to certain parent bodies. Now and in the future. While it saves a lot of bending over there may come a time when a specimen's fields might be ruined in which magnetic studies may want to be done. Since there are many unique specimens found by meteorite hunters, using the canes may not be in the best interest of science and as Richard points out may allow you to miss some types of meteorites, lunites included. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed fall lunars?
Hi Dr. Korotev and all, I appreciate your lunar website and often refer to it. Glad you are a participant here. If that is the case then lunar meteorites would have to heat up quite a little bit due to this slower speed. How altered would material be then from the fall? perhaps the ablating process is enough to keep the material relitively cool with out altering the material significantly. As the material approaches Earth it should speed up due to gravity. It's a down hill trip from the moon after a certain point (about 1/3 way toward the Earth). I've heard only a small percentage actually reaches the Earth due to physical dynamics. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Randy Korotev koro...@wustl.edu: MikeG asks: Is there a theory for why there have been no witnessed falls of lunar meteorites? It seems odd to me that we have 4 Martian witnessed falls (Shergotty, Chassigny, Zagami, Nakhla, and almost Lafayette) and no lunars. One issue is that these 5 meteorites are 5 kg, 4 kg, 18 kg, 10 kg, and 0.8 kg in mass. Only 3 lunars are 4 kg in mass. Another issue (probably more important) is that lunar escape velocity is only 2.4 km/s and very little material ejected from the Moon is going much faster than that. This velocity compares with 20-40 km/s for asteroidal meteorites. Is a rock entering the atmosphere at 2.4 km/s going to noticeably incandesce? I don't know. I believe that the space shuttle hits the atmosphere at ~7.7 km/s. Melanie asks: I asked this a while ago on Greg Catterton's forum, and I was told that rocks from the moon aren't as solid (tough) as Mars rocks, and therefore are less likely to survive entry... yet what about all these Howardites? Although breccias, most of the lunar meteorites are very tough rocks. Any rock that survives being blasted off the Moon isn't going to disintegrate in Earth's atmosphere any more than an asteroidal or martian meteorite. Steve says: The moon is close to the earth and material knocked off the moon has a relatively short time to reach the earth. Compared to what? Some lunar meteorites took a million years or more to reach Earth. Mars is farther away and not protected by a companion and its closer to the asteroid belt so it receives many more impacts than the moon. Not many more. Only a factor of two greater for Mars, but the average velocity of the impactors is only 60% as great. Randy Korotev Washington University in St. Louis __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of Tektites
Hi Ed, Not an expert by any means on tektites but the subject has been discussed here quite a bit in the past. You can go to the meteorite central site and conduct a search on what has been said or google a search on tektites. We do have very knowledgeable people on here that can offer information. With that said, volcanic origin (on Earth) can be ruled out because tektites are way too dry to be a by product of terrestrial volcanos. Lunar ejecta is unlikely due to the isolated spots tektites are found. Lunar origin is an old theory that has (for the most part) gone by the way side. Meteorite impacts are the most widely accepted theory of formation but not without its problems. Tektites are glassy specimens that were highly heated and so their pasts have been altered. This makes trying to find their parent source very difficult. Their have been air bubbles that have been studied in them that gives indication of Earth origin due to the gases trapped inside them. Beyond that you will have to do research to find a more detailed explanation as to their compositions and origins. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites www.mitterling.com Quoting Ed Majden epmaj...@shaw.ca: Are there any tektite experts on this list? The formation of tektites has been a mystery to science. Volcanic origin, Lunar ejecta, meteorite impact origin, explosive electrical discharge, etc. The latter proposed by NASA experiments at an arc-jet facility. What are the current theories on the formation of tektites. Are there any papers on this that I could get my hands on? Thanks: Ed Majden Courtenay, B.C. Canada __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Planetary Body Odors
Melanie and all, Don't know who you bought your Allende from but.I don't know how to say this, but I have sold off some Allende recently. Had some sitting on the counter where I make my margaritas and there is a possibility that I got some lime on some specimens by accident. I usually keep them away from the food prep area but this one time was the exception. It may be that is what you smell, I am sorry to say. All my best! --AL Quoting Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca: Interesting indeed! I like smelling fresh pieces of meteorites in the morning and getting high off the aromas! (j/k though whenever I get my hands on particularly an unweathered meteorite, I have to take some sniffs of it) Imagine having a sizable broken chunk of Allende (smells something like lime (the fruit) IMO), Murchison or NWA 096 (bubble gum chondrite) in your room? Could make for an nice air freshener! --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon meteorite generating interest - The Columbian
Greetings, This sounds like another specimen of the Klamath Falls Meteorite. Probably traded by the local Indians of that area. Same Classification. --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who owns the meteorite?
Hi Ron and all, If this is going to be the case, if you get a permit to hunt federal lands then you are being granted a lease to hunt and all material should belong to the finder then. Perhaps this is an interpatation of the law we can live with. --AL Mitterling Quoting R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net: So regarding the article, in essence this interpretation is saying that if you have a lease on land at which time a meteorite lands on it, you have legal rights to it. But you must have the lease, not be wandering down a public road or across a school yard, or even being on a dry lake or the open desert. Yes?? Ron Hartman __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oregon meteorite generating interest -The Columbian
Hi Rob and all, I've seen the data for this and know there are differences. With less than 10 IIIF irons existing, the probability of two being found 100 miles apart from one another are just astronomical and nearly impossible. How many times have we seen big differences in the span of a single meteorite fall. Also there are variations in research which can lead to questions on pairing when most likely specimens are from the same fall. I'd say the same is true for this fall also. While I would like to see an increase in Oregon finds or falls (I've done my best to try to increase them), I am pretty firmly convinced this one is related being a rare iron type. Odds of a stream dumping this close together are ultra rare, unless they came down at the same time. If this is the case then they are still probably related. I'd like to see more research done to prove me wrong. Best to all. --AL Mitterling Quoting Rob Wesel nakhla...@comcast.net: FWIW This one has been published since June and includes a K Falls comparison in the write-up Geochemistry: (snip)These data suggest a designation of Group IIIF, an uncommon type (with 10 individuals known), although Ga is high compared to other IIIF irons by ~30%, probably owing to analytical error. This is the same group designation as for Klamath Falls, which was found ~78 km to the northwest, raising the possibility that both could have been in the same strewn field. However, the two meteorites are probably not paired, as Klamath Falls has a smaller kamacite bandwidth (0.5 mm), and concentrations for Ir, Pt, and Re that are ~0.002x, ~0.12x, and ~2.8x the values in the new iron. Rob Wesel __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ultraviolet Space Rocks?
Hi David and all, I'm not a geologist but I suspect that when the thinsections are made and polarized light is used to reveal the various colors (mineral make up) of the meteorite that this is in effect about the same thing as using fluorescent lighting. They also use quite an array of other systems to breakdown the meteorite into parts that are quite small and tells them chemical makeup. This is part of telling them what it is and if it is unique plus scores of other things like weathering, age and so forth. I'll let others chime in about this as I may be missing something and am talking over my head here. All my best! --AL Mitterling Quoting David Gunning davidgunn...@fairpoint.net: Hi All, I notice that the Rocks from Space Picture of the Day, dated about a year ago, September 29, 2009, features an unusually remarkable glowing fluorescent meteorite. It's described as an 11.1 g piece of Norton County (ASU#523) where The large enstatite crystals fluoresce bright yellow. Quite an eyeful. This is an oddball meteorite, I'm guessing, as I haven't seen pictures of any other meteorites displaying fluorescent color values. Does this bode well for other fluorescent meteorites being found? I mean, are the scientists really looking and checking for fluorescent color values in meteorites on a systematic basis? If not, they may be missing the boat. If you look closely at this picture you may be able to detect, as I do, that there apparently are other possible fluorescent color values happening, as well. I am referring to the noticable blue/green colored fluoresent values below and to the right of the yellow colored enstatite and to the upper left of the enstatite area, also. To my understanding, these may indicate additional minerals with other fluorescent color values reacting to utlraviolet light, too. It's unfortunate that the person who took this picture did not take the time and spend the effort to look carefully at their resulting picture. I wonder what wavelength ultraviolet was used, although I guess it was probably shortwave. If so, they may not have exposed the specimen to midwave and longwave ultraviolet wavelengths, as well, consequently denying themselves (and the rest of us!) valuable ultraviolet reactive fluorescent color value information. Is this simply a situation of sloppy science rearing it's ugly head? Or does it indicate that ignorance is truly bliss, after all? Yours for the light, Dave Gunning __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Vaca Muerta euc- what is it?
Hi Bernd and all, Agreed, there is accessory amounts of olivine in mesosiderites but these are very low amounts so the olivine seem to be mostly absent in the formation. Most likely the amounts found were mixed in formation. This also explaines the green olivine crystal(s) found in some of Martinez Rodrigo's specimens. Could these be from the pallasite producing part of an asteroid? Always appreciate your input Bernd and you are a treasure to this list! --AL Mitterling Quoting bernd.pa...@paulinet.de: AL kindly wrote: I believe there is an absence of olivine in mesosiderites. Objection, Your Honor! Norton O.R. (2002) The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites, p. 157: Accessory amounts of olivine are also present in mesosiderites ...the mineralogy of the silicate portion...is ...orthopyroxene and plagioclase with minor amounts of olivine. Norton O.R. (2008) Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites, p.173: a) Figure 8.10: Estherville...Silicates include olivine, pyroxene, and plagioclase... b) Figure 8.11: Vaca Muerta...Like Estherville, it contains eucritic pebbles and many silicate inclusions... T.H. Burbine et al. (1996) Mantle material in the main belt: Battered to bits (Meteoritics 31-5, 1996, 607-620, p. 609): Mesosiderites are stony-iron meteorites containing Ni-rich Fe metal and mafic silicates (Floran, 1978). The amount of metal has been found to vary from 17 to 80 wt% but is usually between 40 to 60% (Mason and Jarosewich, 1973). The silicates are mainly orthopyroxene and plagioclase with lesser amounts of other silicates such as pigeonite and olivine (Floran, 1978). By the way, a few years ago, Martinez Rodrigo offered thin Vaca Muerta slices with predominantly eucritic components and / or olivine crystals. Some of the olivine-rich slices were cut so thinly that they were even translucent when held up against the light. Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bacteria Found to Survive 'Hypergravity'
Greetings, Test --AL __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Widmanstatten Pattern on the outside??
Hi Bernd and all, Another example is the China Iron (that tends to rust) name fails me right now but lots of material has been sold in the past. They were putting those in acid and letting them eat the outsides off then selling them as smaller pieces after treatment. Those were highly crystalized showing the widmanstatton (sorry Kevin) pattern, and I saw lots of flats of those in the past from our China friends. --AL Mitterling Quoting Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de: Jason Snyder inquired: I am curious if anyone has ever observed an iron meteorite with a widmanstatten pattern on the outside Hello All, Another famous example are so-called Gibeon octahedron crystals. For more info on these crystals, see here: The Gibeon Iron Meteorite in Perfect Crystals by Roland Dietrich Stefan König in: Meteorite! February 1997, pp. 28-29. I have an 8-gram, tumbled octahedron Gibeon crystal in my collection and its Widmanstätten pattern is easily recognizable on the outside! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite ruster pictures wanted - Reward
Hi Tim and all, I've got the ultimate ruster picture for you. I'll have to dig it out and get it to you. It isn't a larger specimen like your 3.382 specimen but it does weight a pound. If this doesn't take the first prize, I'd like to see the photo that does. best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Tim Heitz midwestmet...@earthlink.net: Hello Everyone, Does anyone have a fair size somewhat solid ruster, the kind that there might be some hope for ? I want to set-up a meteorite ruster's Hall of Fame picture gallery. There will be a REWARD for the top rusters that rank highest in the ruster gallery, I won't say what the reward is until the ruster picture gallery is full of pictures. I don't know how long it will take or how many pictures will be needed. I'm looking for close-up photo's of the rusting and flaking meteorites, like the one in the link shown below. http://www.meteorman.org/Rusters.htm The 3382g Campo in the picture belongs to me a doesn't count for the reward, but you get the idea. All the Best, Tim Heitz . Midwest Meteorites http://www.meteorman.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites
Greetings, Thank you for pointing this out to me Frank! My apology to Mr. Todd Parker for my error. I thought I had read on the list his name. I'll have to re-read and see if it sounded like he was being accused and why I jotted his name down. To attempt to set things straight, Todd Parker is NOT associated with any scams and is an honorable dealer in specimens. --AL Mitterling Quoting Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net: Hello All, Dave Gheesling can't post to the list at the moment, but given the seriousness of the accusation made against Todd Parker, he asked that I post this on his behalf: His message follows: Hello List, While I haven't seen where Todd Parker's name was mentioned as a possible scammer other than in Al Mitterling's recent post (I haven't been closely following the thread), TODD PARKER MOST ASSUREDLY IS NOT A SCAMMER OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT. To the contrary, Todd is probably one of the finest people I've had the pleasure of knowing -- inside or outside of the meteorite community. Presumably this mention has something to do with the recent Mifflin thread, but Todd's name shouldn't be associated with anything other than integrity -- he is a class act, to be sure. All the best, Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net Date: Thu, May 12, 2011 10:45 am To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Hi Al, You made a mistake listing Todd Parker as a scammer. He was mentioned as selling Whetstone Mountains that were definitely real. Frank - Original Message From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 5:57:42 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Gary, Greg H., Chris and all, Two names have come up recently as scammers. Joel Samson and Todd Parker. We also know of another guy from the Chicago area that is a fraud. What I would like to see is a list of people and companies that are known to be selling fakes, mis-representing material and so forth. I am not talking about someone who has made a mistake. In order to qualify, the person or company in question would have to have evidence that would support their efforts to be purposely doing something wrong. I wouldn't want a witch hunt or dealers who don't like other dealers, trying to put people on this list. I know this is probably going to open a can of worms BUT it is important to know suspect con artists, frauds and people and companies who are just not getting the fact we don't like our collections messed up. Does a list already exist? If not it sure would be nice to have one that could be shared with the collecting community from time to time. Other input appreciated. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com To: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson - FakeLunar Meteorites I've asked the administrator of the Meteorites group on Facebook to remove this person from the group. Hopefully this will put a damper on his shenanigans, but probably nothing short of legal action will make him cease and desist. gary On May 11, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Chris Spratt wrote: Never was my friend on Facebook yet he managed to post things in a group I belong to. Is there a way to unfriend someone from a group? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites
Hi Count and all, I do like this idea except for one or two areas. Running already classified specimens back through the system which is already overloaded would slow down the overall classification system. If someone were suspecious of someone doing this they could obtain or give a sample of material that is geniune then continue with selling other fakes in place of the real material. There is no easy answer but I do like the idea. --AL Mitterling Quoting Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net: Hello Don, Al, Chris and List, We agree that something needs to be done to eliminate fraud and misidentification. We also agree that investigating and outing a person offering misidentified meteorites intentionally, or not, is fraught with the danger of a lawsuit. I put this to the you and the List...Why attack the purported fraudster? Why not attack the meteorite being offered? We are going to examine the suspected clinger anyway. It could work this way and you readers can fill in the details Suspect rock is offered. Sample is obtained for analysis. This act would tie the seller to the rock. Rock turns out to be genuine. Nothing done. Rock turms out to be something else. Then the results of the analysis is released to the seller, the buyer and all who have asked that they be notified of misrepresentations. Nothing needs to be said about the seller personally. His rock is shit and we all know it. Whether his offering was done to intentionally defraud, or if he was a victim, or if it was mis-classified can be handled in the details. Just don't attack the seller personally. Attack the rock. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com Sent: May 12, 2011 5:06 PM To: al mitt alm...@kconline.com, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scam Artist - Joel Samson -FakeLunar Meteorites Hi Al and the rest of the List. I agree totally with you Al. One thing as you mentioned that I have noticed over the years is that there is that chance someone can get hurt by accusations of fraud ect. Yet how can this be done so as to avoid this? I have an idea that might work but may need refining. Maybe we can ask the List for 2 or 3 volunteers who 1) Has been a Listie of good and long standing. 2) Has built an excellent reputation of their name in the meteorite community, which includes experience with buying and selling meteorites, with knowledge of meteorite composition both internal and external. 3) Last but not least, always desired to be a CSI and so a great opportunity to be an MFI or Meteorite Fraud Investigator. I myself like MFS Meteorite Fraud Squasher! Anyways...The List could vote 2 or 3 MFI's that have an interest. How this vote could be doneI don't know, but I am sure with all the brilliant minds that this List has, that a great suggestion is out there. These would be the people that the rest of the List would contact (via another email) when a fraudulent situation takes place. Now the rest of the List is not exposed to any allegation. The MFI's would research the history of the suspected Dealer/Seller in a fair timely fashion and communicate with the other 2 MFI's of their findings. Finally if the situation is found to NOT be fraudulent, the MFI's need only contact the person that thought fraud was taking place and explain their findings. Now all is calm on the List. If however the findings show fraud (several very strong circumstantial evidences could warrant fraud) Then the MFI's could officially announce this to the List! Though the IMCA does something similar, not everyone on this List is a Member of the IMCA. It would be beneficial anyways, in having 2 entities helping to combat the destruction of our collections and reputations as meteorite collectors, sellers, dealers, and hunters, especially since the Meteorite Central List doesn't appear to be going away for a very long time if ever. Maybe a bi-monthly or monthly email to the entire List as a reminder of who to contact (MFI's) if fraud is suspected. We need to all watch our backs. It will only get worse. Lets not allow differences between dealers and or mistakes stand in the way but rather concentrate on the benefit for all of us, to rid of this pandemic air borne disease of meteorite fraud. This hurts every single collector on this List, whether I like you or you don't like me bla bla bla...the bottom line is we have a common interest and that is the love of this great hobby. Lets protect it. Just my 2 cents is all. I know it sounds silly, but the bottom line is Al is right, and somehow we need to stomp out these greedy meteorite flea fakes! Say that 3 times fast! It's FAKES not FLAKES lol Sincerely Don Merchant Founder-Cosmic Treasures Celestial Wonders http://www.ctreasurescwonders.com/index.html IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: al mitt alm...@kconline.com To:
Re: [meteorite-list] ad: NWA 869 .25 cents per gram
Hi Dan, Just a note, Bernd just recently pointed out that the NWA 869 is an L3-L6 brecciated chondrite. For those who haven't taken note. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com: anybody want to buy some very nice NWA 869 L4-L6 brecciated chondrite for .25 cents a gram i will sell any amount you want even small orders welcome. please email me privately about this. n Daniel Furlan danfur...@gmail.com meteorite collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed
Hi Steve and all, Blaine is truly one of the gems in the dealer base. He probably knows more than any 20 dealers combine and has a degree in geology making him more up in the chemistry of space rocks. Steve, while he was buying your finds back then, I was buying a pretty good portion of his items back then also.While he would work for a hunter to get a fair price, he would also be quite fair in selling his material to collectors and dealers. He was fair on both sides of the transaction. He has always made things right for me and more honest than anyone I know. If you haven't given Blaine Reed a chance to sell you something, you are missing out in many ways. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting meteorh...@aol.com: Hey Dave and All, Great story, and thanks for sharing. I have to chime in here in saluting Blaine as well. If it were not for Blaine I would not be here today. For my first six years in the meteorite business, I had only one customer...Blaine Reed. In a world where everyone tries to buy low and sell high Blaine always asked not How little do I have to pay Steve to get this next meteorite? But rather he would see how much he could pay me each and every time. Blaine bought 100% of all the rocks I pulled out of the field my first 6 years. Sometimes checks would show up in the mail unexpected from Blaine. I would call to ask why? He would reply with something like: The Richfield I bought from you a year ago turned out to be an LL3 instead of an L4 so this is extra money to make it fair. Those kind of checks happened a LOT more times than just once. I just want everyone to know, not just on the selling side of things (as in Dave's case) is Blaine more than fair, but he is that way on his buying side of things as well. The Meteorite world is a far better place because of Blaine. If you are buying or selling, you owe it to yourself to check out the offer Blaine is able to make you. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed
Hi Steve and all, Blaine is truly one of the gems in the dealer base. He probably knows more than any 20 dealers combine and has a degree in geology making him more up in the chemistry of space rocks. Steve, while he was buying your finds back then, I was buying a pretty good portion of his items back then also.While he would work for a hunter to get a fair price, he would also be quite fair in selling his material to collectors and dealers. He was fair on both sides of the transaction. He has always made things right for me and more honest than anyone I know. If you haven't given Blaine Reed a chance to sell you something, you are missing out in many ways. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting meteorh...@aol.com: Hey Dave and All, Great story, and thanks for sharing. I have to chime in here in saluting Blaine as well. If it were not for Blaine I would not be here today. For my first six years in the meteorite business, I had only one customer...Blaine Reed. In a world where everyone tries to buy low and sell high Blaine always asked not How little do I have to pay Steve to get this next meteorite? But rather he would see how much he could pay me each and every time. Blaine bought 100% of all the rocks I pulled out of the field my first 6 years. Sometimes checks would show up in the mail unexpected from Blaine. I would call to ask why? He would reply with something like: The Richfield I bought from you a year ago turned out to be an LL3 instead of an L4 so this is extra money to make it fair. Those kind of checks happened a LOT more times than just once. I just want everyone to know, not just on the selling side of things (as in Dave's case) is Blaine more than fair, but he is that way on his buying side of things as well. The Meteorite world is a far better place because of Blaine. If you are buying or selling, you owe it to yourself to check out the offer Blaine is able to make you. Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2011 23:03:38 To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: d...@fallingrocks.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed Hi List, Just wanted to send a quick note of admiration regarding Blaine Reed, who most of you surely know by now. Follow this link, click Featured, then click Deport and read the brief Remarks: http://www.fallingrocks.com/collection.htm Such a pleasure to do business with dealers who do the right thing...even when they don't have to. Oh, and a special thank you to my good friend Sean Murray, who recently made my posting site a much more pleasant place to surf...much appreciated! All the best, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Free Shipping
Hi Matthew and all, Odd as I never view Alaska and Hawaii as not part of the USA only a bit further away. One thing that I do post in my adds are, No shipping to certain countries because of extreme trouble with that countries mail service. There are a few places like that and some people have had too much trouble dealing with those countries so I simply don't ship to those places. When their citizens tell them to clean things up and they become reliable then we'll be glad to ship then. Quoting mmar...@meteoritetreasures.com: Hi Chris List, I've had many say that Hawaii doesn't count. I guess they failed 3rd grade geography. I am constantly frustrated with ignorant sellers who charge more for shipping to Hawaii. Especially for Priority Mail. Hawaii is part of the US and therefore flat rate is the same cost! And First Class price differences are minimal/ Oftentimes people try to charge way more...sigh... Many listings often say will ship to lower 48 contiguous states only ...I often wonder why...lazy I guess. They more often than not use USPS too...such a pity...I take my business elsewhere. Hawaii is often treated like a foreign country when it comes to shipping. I sympathize with your frustration, Chris. Matthew Martin Meteorite Treasures www.meteoritetreasures.com I wish dealers especially on EBay wouldn't advertise Free Shipping when it only applies to U.S.customers. The rest of us (non U. S.) get hit with high shipping costs. Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Willamette Meteorite specimen
Greetings, Maybe the next time a specimen is offer up we could get a consortium of collectors to buy the material and divide it up. I'd be interested in a slice myself. --AL Mitterling Quoting Davio L. Ribeca dav...@comcast.net: Hi Elton, I saw the Auction yesterday. Yinan W. and Shawn A. sent me the link below. However, I was thinking of something a little less expensive. Although ~$64 per gram isn't too bad. The problem is I would have to buy all 13,998 grams. Technically, this is a great deal. http://fineart.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=6061lotNo=49053 Photos - Met-Bull Willamette specimen owners: Gerald Armstrong Jay Piatek MeteoriteCollector.org - AMNH MeteoriteCollector.org - FCOM MeteoriteCollector.org - NHMV Michael S. Scherman Peter Marmet RobertZ Ciao, Davio R. IMCA Member 4050 Captain Davio L. Ribeca U.S.C.G. Sea Level Family Fishing Charters Ecotours www.fishsealevel.com fishseale...@comcast.net 239-549-8594 - Original Message - From: MstrEman mstre...@gmail.com To: Davio L. Ribeca dav...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted - Willamette Meteorite specimen Don't we all. don't we all. A single piece is in private hands and it isn't likely to surface again for a while, I fear. Good Luck. Elton On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Davio L. Ribeca dav...@comcast.net wrote: Hi Lister, I'm looking for a representative specimen of the Willamette meteorite. Not a micro-mount. Please contact me if you have one for sale. Thank you in advance. You guys are the best! Davio R. IMCA member 4050 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Important Message From the IMCA Board
Hi Jeff and all, I'm sure that everyone is thinking what I am thinking, and that is, if this individual was caught on these items, how many other items were not caught up to now? If I had dealt with this individual, I'd be asking if my other specimens were authentic. Some items are easy to identfy while others are not. As I have pointed out in the past, some people continue to do business with some of the known frauds. While not every piece may be mis-represented, it is hard to tell and more and more bad specimens are going to be floating in collections. If this becomes an epidemic, collecting meteorites may become a think of the past. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au: Hi everyone, Last weekend the IMCA Board received an official complaint in regards to an IMCA member who sold three meteorite samples to two different IMCA members that were not what they were purported to be. This complaint included classification test results on these reported pieces that were confirmed by the Board with the highly reputable meteorite scientist who completed the testing. The first sample tested was a small 4.06g stone sold as Ash Creek that came back as an equilibrated H-Chondrite and definitely not Ash Creek. The second sample was a ~1.6g fragment sold as Zunhua. This specimen also returned results of an equilibrated H-Chondrite which do not match the current studies on the actual Zunhua meteorite. While the following cannot be considered conclusive, the classifying scientist of the fragment mentioned that the olivine and orthopyroxene compositions for the alleged Zunhua stone (as well as its physical appearance) are consistent with available information about stones from the Tamdakht (Morocco) fall. The third sample was an iron slice sold as Deport that was clearly too coarse to be that. To basically sum up, these three meteorites were sold as meteorites they were actually not. After receiving the complaint, we did some further investigation and approached the seller. We were not satisfied with his answer at all. On requesting a more substantial answer and provenance of the sold samples, the member resigned before we even had a chance to remove them. (The process for removal is in the ByLaws.) However at the same time, this member assured me that they would make things right with the buyers and provide the documentation we requested. I have also been helping another non-member who made us aware of his problems this week with the same seller. I know his refund request was accepted by PayPal. I think it is important that all collectors know who this person is that sold the misrepresented meteorites as they are a reasonably active seller on eBay. If you have purchased any of the above meteorites from this seller the potential is there for you to be affected too. The seller in question is: John (Bryan) Scarborough - #6135 eBay User ID: quietstorm2476 I find it extremely disappointing as a Board member but even more so as a fellow member, that on trying to further communicate with this person a couple of days ago, I found their yahoo email account had been deleted. - I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. This user doesn't have a yahoo.com account. The Board will of course still continue to attempt further communication with this individual and assist those affected buyers in any way we are able. On a further note, it's important for us all to remember that it is our responsibility as collectors and temporary custodians of these extraterrestrial treasures to ensure proper curation and provenance history. This is ALL part of authenticity and whether mistakes are deliberate or happen by accident... well both have the exact same end result of misrepresented meteorites. There are people out there who watch very carefully and as one IMCA member put it very well this week, the meteorite community is very small and at some point all cheats are eventually caught. While this has been a disappointing episode, I am not disillusioned. This is one member. There are nearly 400 now from around the world who do believe in the ideals of the IMCA. To put it in perspective, there are thousands and thousands of transactions performed with IMCA members every year that all go without a problem. This is a learning experience for us all and I'm sure in the long-term we can only grow from it. Remember that IMCA Board members are always available for any questions or concerns you may have so please always feel free to approach us. Sincerely, Jeff Kuyken Meteorites Australia www.meteorites.com.au Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc. www.imca.cc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Etching of large MORASKO
Hi Bernd and all, Nitric acid is bad stuff. It will stain your skin and should only be used with protective gloves and googles. It is a cancer causing material and extream caution should be used at all times with this acid.It also tends to explode when mixed with different items. Other than that, it is great for etching meteorites. --AL Mitterling Quoting Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de: Michael kindly wrote: Very nice video! Hello Michael and List, Although it has been said many times before, we should put potential newbies, who would like to etch an iron meteorite with nitol, on the alert: Please, be careful and do wear protective gloves and goggles, because, and let me now quote from our late R. Norton's Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites, p. 255: When mixing ethanol/nitric acid solution great care should be taken to see that the nitric acid is always poured *into the alcohol beaker, never the reverse! This prevents splattering of the acid as it is applied to the working solution. (Working with concentrated nitric acid is dangerous and requires handling with extreme care.)* Wishing you a good night from late night Germany, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lunar and Apollo Meteorites
The Apollo program which brought back some 840 lbs of material or about 7 times the amount of found lunar meteorites. The average weight of a lunar meteorite is 382.895 grams. However if you subtract the two largest lunar meteorites which weigh about half the total of all found lunar meteorites there is an average weight of 210.82 grams. One could actually subtract a few more large specimens and the average weight would be down in the 150 average gram range. So your average lunar meteorite will or should weight from 150 to 400 grams average. You still have to keep an eye out for the big guys though. Before 1997 only about 10 or 12 lunar meteorites were known. From 1997 after DAG 262 was found, till 2010 a total of 54 specimens were located which is an average of four per year. Most of these were located in basically one continent. Of the lunar types there are: feldspathic breccia types (most common 37), mafic breccia types (3), mingled breccias (16), and the mare bassalts (10). Or about 66 unique specimens not paired. Keep in mind my figures could be off or now outdated. I added all these up in about an hours time. A good reference on lunar meteorites continues to be: Washington University in St. Louis. http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites_list_alpha.htm All my best! --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Ejecta Could Have Seeded Life on Europa
Hi Bernd and all, Easier or harder?? Takes less energy to fall in than out. Best!! --AL Mitterling Quoting Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de: Eric W. wrote: Absolutely! Why not? It makes perfect sense. Well, Eric and List, because getting ejected into the outer reaches of the solar system and surviving this torture is much easier than falling toward the Sun without being swallowed by our central star ... thinking of sungrazing comets ... Cheers, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Illinois Meteorwrong Announcement/Sort of Ad
Greetings, Some of you may remember a while back that Joe Kerchner found some interesting looking specimens while out meteorite hunting. I was involved in helping him get the specimens to a researcher who has determined they are a good meteorwrong but not a meteorite. Many may remember a number of meteorwrongs we have come a cross in the past like some of the Russian specimens that turned out to be a terrestrial basalt with nickel in it. I feel that Joe's specimens are an excellent meteorwrong and have added a sample to my collection. I thought others might want to contact him and add some also. He is offering some of this material up for sale. I have added a link so you can visit his site and consider some of this material or simply look at it. http://illinoismeteorites.com/mendotawrongsforsale.htm You can also contact him here directly. Have fun! Joe Kerchner illinoismeteori...@gmail.com Not too often you come across material that looks so promising like Joe did but still turns out to not be the real McCoy. This is the sort of item that is fun to add to a collection. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Illinois Meteorwrong Announcement/Sort of Ad
Greetings, Some of you may remember a while back that Joe Kerchner found some interesting looking specimens while out meteorite hunting. I was involved in helping him get the specimens to a researcher who has determined they are a good meteorwrong but not a meteorite. Many may remember a number of meteorwrongs we have come a cross in the past like some of the Russian specimens that turned out to be a terrestrial basalt with nickel in it. I feel that Joe's specimens are an excellent meteorwrong and have added a sample to my collection. I thought others might want to contact him and add some also. He is offering some of this material up for sale. I have added a link so you can visit his site and consider some of this material or simply look at it. http://illinoismeteorites.com/mendotawrongsforsale.htm You can also contact him here directly. Have fun! Joe Kerchner illinoismeteori...@gmail.com Not too often you come across material that looks so promising like Joe did but still turns out to not be the real McCoy. This is the sort of item that is fun to add to a collection. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: eBay Auctions Going
Greetings to those interested, I have the following items ending in about 24 hours to four days on ebay. Some nice items for those on your Christmas list. Oriented Millbillillie, Main Class Meteorite Kit, Lafayette Indiana, Big Nice whole 11.57 kilo Gibeon and 170.8 gram whole Gibeon, nice Allende, Mexico slice, Tambo medium octahedrite, more Milton Missouri, more Norton Co., and historical Lost City, Ok, Murchison, Australia micro specimen in nice plastic display box and starting at .99 cents each. See Items here: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/almittmet All my best!! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: eBay auctions
Greetings, I have ebay auctions ending in the afternoon.I have a lot of interesting items ending over the next three days including the new Wyoming meteorite. Search my eBay auctions under the eBay username of almittmet Best! --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lutetia
Hi Larry and all, Without knowing what research has been done studying Lutetia, if memory serves me right, don't they take into account the regolith on the surface of an asteroid and adjust the spectra so it more closely matches clean meteorite specimens that we have? Thought this may have not been done yet and why the discrepancy on the reflective composition on the asteroid is low. I figure that Larry would have a better bead on the subject than I but wanted to add another log on the fire. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu: Hi Michael: The only thing that I would disagree with in the article has to do with where Lutetia formed. It has a fairly low inclination and low eccentricity (for a main belt asteroid), so I doubt there is any way that it could have formed in the inner part of the Solar System and found its way into the main belt. I think it formed there to begin with. Also, I think that the albedo of Lutetia is a little low compared to enstatite chondrites, so this might also be of concern when comparing Lutetia to enstatites. Larry Cool, now we know where all of our enstantite meteorites likely come from. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Escrow Service
Hi Anne and all, In the 23 plus years I have been dealing, I have business cards and contact information to over 500 suppliers. Some are not in the business any longer but have been replaced by many other new dealers. Figure in all the new dealers both full time and part time, dealer collectors, collectors who sale items after they upgrade, and older collections who are selling off specimens, and all the new desert dealers from the Africa and Asia areas and there are well over 1000 sources of specimens. Just want people to know there ARE other choices when it comes to buying specimens. Certainly IMCA has a lot to offer but there is a lot more out there also. If you are only buying IMCA then you might not be buying the best specimen out there at the best price as IMCA dealers aren't holding all the great specimens for sale. Even with the IMCA membership there have been problems recently. Some excellent dealers have elected to quit the IMCA because of these problems. To my knowledge anyone who has had a problem has had that problem resolved.Common sense and asking questions before you jump in would solve 90% of the problems both in and out of the IMCA. Best!! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting impact...@aol.com: Thank you Darryl. About some 350 members is not a small part of the spectrum. I would also disagree with Your limiting access to impressive collection pieces if you only buy from IMCA dealers. I do believe you can find impressive Collection pieces with labels from TCU and ASU, among others, on my website and on Mike Bandli's site. And those are just the first 2 examples that came to mind. And no need for escrow service with IMCA members. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 11/13/2011 6:13:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, dar...@dof3.com writes: I don't know about merely occupying a small part of the spectrum;-) On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:38 PM, al mitt wrote: Greetings, While buying from IMCA members is a safe way to go, some of the largest and best known dealers are not members of the IMCA. Your limiting access to impressive collection pieces if you only buy from IMCA dealers. Best bet is to ask around about dealers you might be wanting to buy from. Stay away from dealers that are just getting into dealing as there is more risk with those dealers. Buy from well established dealers that have been in the business for years. Nothing against IMCA or their dealers but that is only a small part of the spectrum. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord
Hi Frank and all, This is one that I have wanted to chase down. Need to look at what Farrington had to say on the fall. Thought I would go over to the area sometime and do a search at the libraries in the area and try to get some definitive proof (if there is proof in a newspaper article) on the account. I've certainly sold enough New Concord that it would be nice to know one way or the other. In my information cards I list a colt being killed and not sure at this time what source of information it came from but the information comes from about two decades back and probably from my own collection piece. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net: Hello all, Every time I see that the New Concord meteorite hit and killed a colt (or horse), I cringe. Maybe Kevin K. does the same when he hears that a dog was killed (or turned to ashes) by a Nakhla stone. In 2006 Mark Bostick collected over 15 newspaper accounts about the New Concord fall. All these were published shortly after the fall and not one mentions any animal being killed. The leading authorities (J. Lawrence Smith, professors E.B. Andrews and E.W. EVANS of Murietta College) who studied the fall, and who wrote in great detail of the fall circumstances, mention no horse or animal being killed even though they wrote that a stone severed a large root, and others smashed a log, hit a barn and broke a rail of a fence. It was mentioned thougth, that a man saw a stone fall THREE FEET FROM HIS HORSE'S HEAD. The first reference I can find about a New Concord equine eliminator is Prior and Hay's Second Catalogue of Meteorites published in 1953. The first catalogue (1923) makes no mention of this incident. So I would have to rate this story as another Legend of the Fall. To those who don't agree I'd certainly appreciate them pointing me to the original reference. All the best, Frank - Original Message From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, November 20, 2011 1:05:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers I am responding using Anne's responses, as they seemed as informative As the best of the bunch: REGARDING METEORITES THAT STUCK LIVING CREATURES: Other than the most famous of all, the 1947 Sylacauga hitting Hulitt Hodges and leaving a huge bruise on her side, the photo of which is famous, there have been other documented Hammers which nailed living critters: (NOTE: the list below does not include some of the biblical references nor the Roman report of a legion being killed) 1860 New Concord Ohio meteorite struck and killed a colt. 1908 TUNGUSKA, Russia killed countless forest animals which inevitably inhabited the remote forest which was ripped asunder when eighty million trees were blasted, left lying on their sides in a radial pattern over an area of eight hundred square miles. 1911 Nakhla, Egypt fall reportedly killed a dog. Kevin Kichinka wrote a thorough article concluding that the rumor was false. However, in a series of heated debates on The List, Between Kevin and Ron Balke. The latter held his own, presenting credible arguments that left at least a crack of doubt as to the possibility of regarding the issue. (These rousing debates can be read in the List Archives of Meteorite Central). 1972 Valera is documented up the yin yang (Darryl Pitt, I believes, owns the original, signed and notarized papers on this one). 1992 Dutch Meteorite Society photo of Ugandan boy struck by and holding a 3g Mbale meteorite, the force of which had been considerably diminished having passed through a banana tree before striking the boy: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MbaleBoyW.jpg 2003 Park Forrest fall killed a minimum of 2 termites when striking the Garza house. An entomologist attested to the death taking place at the time of the impact. 2007 Carancas Peru impact shock force killed a ewe and a llama. ADDENDUM: 5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite? 2010 Mifflin, Wisconson, a 198g stone was recovered by Sonny Clary's dog, Brix Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking
Hi Ruben and all, I think that the Vaca Muerta fall was simply found near a dead cow landmark. Perhaps Steve Arnold or Geoff Notkin can shed some dead bones on this. :-) Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com: Hi all, 3.Q Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite? e. Surprisingly no one even asked about Vaca Muerta (Spanish for dead cow) Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] So do we have bits of Vesta in our collections or not?
Greetings, Interesting. Perhaps we don't have Vestoid material but rather we have the impactor material instead. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com: All has been very quiet on the Dawn front...should be interesting when all the data is put togetherseems there are still doubts! http://www.open.ac.uk/blogs/meteorite/?p=876 Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LOTS OF MOON ROCKS GONE?
Greetings, There is an article that says there are something like 517 or more missing Moon Rocks that NASA has loaned out in fourty years. I think my problem with this is when they shake down little old ladies for small bits of dust that was given to their husbands for working on projects yet they can't keep track of the big stuff. http://www.france24.com/en/20111208-hundreds-nasas-moon-rocks-missing-audit --AL Mitterling Quoting Benjamin P. Sun bpsun2...@gmail.com: I do believe quite a bit of Apollo lunar material has been lost or stolen. Which is unfortunate. But not surprising or unexpected, given human nature. Though it may not be as much as the article makes it seem. The article doesn't say how much(weight-wise) is missing. You have to consider that a certain amount of the Apollo lunar material was destroyed by scientists when they analyzed some samples. This may not have been all accounted for. Also, did they save all the cutting/chipping dust and fragments from the samples since 1969? http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-12-misplaced-nasa-moon-space.html one of the responses from the article above: This is an intriguing story at this time of many intrigues in science and politics. A special investigator from NASA showed up at my lab at the University of Missouri in ~1972 and accused us of losing Moon samples. I showed him receipts for every sample received, every sample melted/vaporized/analyzed, and every sample returned to the Lunar Curator. We sent him back to Houston, but he never told us if he found out why he had been sent on this wild goose chase. With kind regards, Oliver K. Manuel Former NASA Principal Investigator for Apollo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD LOST METEORITE
Greetings, For Sale 161 gram Cat Mountain and 1 +/- gram specimens. Seriously UPS is the most expensive way I have found to ship and I avoid it. Fed-X is cheaper but I prefer USPS when items are small enough to ship that way. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net: Seasons Greetings List, It seems UPS has lost an individual CAT MOUNTAIN meteorite weighing 162 +- grams that was shipped December 5th. from Las Vegas by second day air delivery, with signature required, to Tucson. Several other shipments were sent at the same time to other locations and all these have arrived. UPS has finished their initial tracking trace with no luck in finding the package which is in a small cardboard box within a siver grey vinyl UPS envelope. Please check the provenance of any CAT MOUNTAIN material being offered after Dec. 5th.. Anyone having any information, or helpful advice, please contact me off List. (No recriminations please...I'm getting my butt kicked enough.) Thank you, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Meteorite Collection For Sale
Greetings, I am offering nine specimens as a whole. I am selling this for someone that is needy and on medical disability. There are some items he needs and why the specimens are being sold. I am only selling these and won't make a profit off any of these. Collection consists of the following: Gibeon individual 26.2 gm, Brenham Pallasite part slice 15.5 gm, Juangcheng China H5 slice (silver dollar size) 11.2 gm, NWA 5026 5.5 and 3.1 LL3.7, Dhofar 1286 (polymict breccia) 5.7 gm, Powellsville Ohio 97 gm H5, Bassikounou H5 individual, NWA 4483 Lunar Display .044 gm, Sayh al Uhaymir 001 L4/5 22.3 gm. All items are nice. Asking price is $875.00 for all. I will accept reasonable offers. Items will be post paid by me. If the whole group doesn't sell I will entertain offers on the individual pieces. Contact me off List please. Pay Pal, check, visa/mastercard Happy Holidays to all! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy 125th Harvey
Hi Mike, Since it is Harvey's BD, people might want to read more about him here: http://www.meteorite.com/nininger/ Best to all! --AL Mitterling Quoting Mike Jensen meteoritepl...@gmail.com: Hi All Yes it is HH Niningers birthday today Jan 17th. He would have been 125! -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ HAPPY HOLIDAYS!! Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting with water soluble oils?
Greetings, While I would shy away from using cutting oils on chondrites, Robert Haag used an oil lubricant to cut Pena Blanca Springs. It was a water soluble meteorite and would have dissolved (or at least some of it) by using water. He had a method of removing most of the residue from the slices after cutting. You could smell the oil though in slices for sometime and maybe still can. When I cut some Lafayette, I stayed away from using water as I didn't want that to disappear down the drain. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: eBay Items ending 2 to 4 days
Greetings, I have some eBay auctions ending soon. One interesting item is a one gram specimen of the India Martian Meteorite Shergotty, the S in SNC. I also have some Monnig Specimens, Gibeon, a large chunk of Ghubara, Omen with outside oxidized crust and other items. A link to my auctions: http://www.meteorite.com/ebay/index.htm?seller=Al_Mitterling/Al_Mitterling_Meteorites --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What private collector has the most localities?
Hi Mike and all, There are speck collections, micro collections, macro collections, and on up. I tend to collect in the 200 gram range myself but have specimens as large as 20kg range and small as 1/4 gram. Someone could have a speck collection totaling 400 to 800. It would be harder to collect the same in the other ranges and as the collection size goes up. To me a collection piece has to be large enough to be scientifically valuable. Bottom line, someone could boast the most collection pieces and maybe only have 50 or 60 grams total weight. A collection like some that you mentioned could weigh in at several thousand pounds or well over 1,500,000 grams. I'd define collections by size type and number of specimens in them for a more realistic composition count on collections. Just my thinking. --AL Mitterling Quoting Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com: Hi List, This is a curiosity-based question. I know many list members have outstanding and enviable collections. The Hupes, Farmer, Cottingham, Strope, and Kilgore come to mind as dealers/collectors who have insane collections of meteorites that most collectors would drool over. Main masses, football-sized planetaries, coffee-table sized slabs of pallasite, and historical rarities populate many high-end collections. But, what I am curious about is - number of localities. What collector has the most localities represented in their collection? This number could include sub-gram micros, so I am thinking that the biggest collection (in terms of localities and not specimen size) might not belong to one of the obvious heavyweights we would expect. If there was a leaderboard for number of localities, who would be sitting on top of that list? Using the EOM website as a rough guide, it seems that Gerald Armstrong has an impressive catalog of localities. But not every major collector uses the EOM, so who is top dog? For the record, my own collection numbers about 80 localities. This number fluctuates frequently because my collection has a high turnover rate, and I have had to sell off my entire collection three times to pay bills. My locality count has dipped as low as 10 and peaked as high as 130. Of course, this is small potatoes. LOL. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - MikeG Web: http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter: http://twitter.com/GalacticStone RSS: http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where is an admin when one is NEEDED?
Greetings, Post like this one is why I love this list! --AL Quoting John Teague volg...@icx.net: Where is an admin when we need one? Do we really need to be subjected to such? And, yes, I do KNOW how to use the DEL key! I use to recommend this list to my customers. This is a fine example of why I now longer do so. John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting impact breccia
Hi Steve, You and I live pretty close so I could cut them for you. Cost for doing that would be $1,000,000 but for you it's free. Big thing would being able to set a time to meet. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Steve Witt stelo...@yahoo.com: Greetings List, After a recent trip to Kentland, I have what I believe to be several specimens of impact melt and impact breccia. I would like to cut the breccia to get a better idea of what I actually have. Can anyone recommend a good way of doing this. Would a masonry chop saw work? Or alternatively is there someone out there that would provide this service at a reasonable cost? The suspected breccia specimen is ~ 8 wide X 5high 6 deep. Thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Curry in trouble with CO State Attorney General
Hi Richard and all, Let that send a message to all the frauds out there mis-representing meteorites in one form or the other. Especially the one from the Chicago area. Your time is coming!! --AL Mitterling Quoting Dick Lipke richardli...@comcast.net: After all these years of being warned by many,many meteorite collectors and sellers of of his fraudulent claims and attempted sales, this guy just didn't have enough sense to stop before it was to late. He became addicted like a drug addict is to heron. It seems he just couldn't stop once he got started. To embarrassed to admit he was wrong. Makes me wonder if he actually may be happy and thankful it's finally over. Richard Lipke - Original Message - Hi List Check this out; http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/23/45848.htm Link to actual court documents: http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/04/23/Meteorites.pdf -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New California meteorite found!
Greetings all, Congrats on the find Robert. Wondering what the price will be on this material. If new falls of ordinary chondrites are going for over $100/gram, a CM should go for 5 to 10 times more. Hopefully there will be a great amount of material found and the price will be affordable to all collectors big and small. Best to all! --AL Mitterling Quoting Sean T. Murray s...@bellsouth.net: It is an honor to announce that, at 11:00 am local, Robert Ward was the first to recover a stone from the April 22, 2012, California fireball -- which was evidently generated by a large, carbonaceous CM mass. Robert is now responsible for the initial recovery of two-out-of-three-ever California witnessed falls, including Red Canyon Lake. Congratulations, to Robert! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hamming it up with a 5.3 million $$$ meteorite.....
Greeting, Wonder how much nickel poisoning he and his family have?? --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com: Hello Listers, found this article about ham, meteorite, and being worth 5.3 million big ones. Man, meteorites cost alot these days. Enjoy Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633ny/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ Asteroid used as ham press by Spanish farmer worth $5.3 million Faustino Asensio Lopez found the 220-pound prehistoric iron meteorite in 1980 in Ciudad Real, while tending livestock with his dad. A rock used by a Spanish farmer for more than 30 years to press ham has turned out to be an iron meteorite worth at least $5.3 million. Faustino Asensio Lopez found the 220-pound rock, which measures just 18-by-12.5-by-8 inches, as he was tending to livestock with his father in a field near Ciudad Real in 1980. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/asteroid-ham-press-spanish-farmer-worth-5-3-million-article-1.1301211#ixzz2OtHZ3pYT __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD CHEBARKUL Chelyabinsk Russia Meteorites - For Sale
Hi Dirk, Still have #18 22.7 gram. I'd be interested in this piece for now. --AL Mittering Quoting drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com: List, More items have been added since nearly all sold out. Please have a look regardless if you are interested in buying or not. The photos are worth the look. http://finlandspectrolite.blogspot.jp/ Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test
Testing __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Seymchan Crystals - worth a look
Hi Ruben and all, That's one meteorite I wouldn't want to cut as it is too nice the way it is. If it were about 10 times larger then maybe. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Ruben Garcia rubengarcia85...@gmail.com: Here is a really cool cluster of Seymchan Crystals http://s1066.photobucket.com/user/rubengarcia85382/media/Seymchan%20crystal/seymchancrystal002_zps24648839.jpg.html?sort=3o=2 -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia http://www.MrMeteorite.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction (AD)
Hi Michael and all, I haven't been following the list for a while but is this for the Tucson Auction or the Denver auction?? Quoting Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net: Hi All, I am getting some more pieces in and people have asked me to extend The lowest fee to Sept. 15, so I have. So, anyone with some quality pieces is welcome to submit before Sept. 15 at the lowest fee rate. I have a couple of collections submitted. One has all the photos upthe other has a dozen or so up with a couple dozen to come, including 13 different pallasites. People might also want to check out some of the large Gibeon and large Nininger Canyon Diablo and large CD with a hole just in. Please contact me directly for placement in the on line catalog. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction (AD)
Hi Michael and all, I haven't been following the list for a while but is this for the Tucson Auction or the Denver auction?? Quoting Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net: Hi All, I am getting some more pieces in and people have asked me to extend The lowest fee to Sept. 15, so I have. So, anyone with some quality pieces is welcome to submit before Sept. 15 at the lowest fee rate. I have a couple of collections submitted. One has all the photos upthe other has a dozen or so up with a couple dozen to come, including 13 different pallasites. People might also want to check out some of the large Gibeon and large Nininger Canyon Diablo and large CD with a hole just in. Please contact me directly for placement in the on line catalog. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Testing
Just a test to see if I can get a message through. --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Meteorite Auction (AD)
Hi Michael and all, I haven't been following the list for a while but is this for the Tucson Auction or the Denver auction?? Quoting Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net: Hi All, I am getting some more pieces in and people have asked me to extend The lowest fee to Sept. 15, so I have. So, anyone with some quality pieces is welcome to submit before Sept. 15 at the lowest fee rate. I have a couple of collections submitted. One has all the photos upthe other has a dozen or so up with a couple dozen to come, including 13 different pallasites. People might also want to check out some of the large Gibeon and large Nininger Canyon Diablo and large CD with a hole just in. Please contact me directly for placement in the on line catalog. RSVP Thanks, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How is the Denver Rock show going?
Hi Shawn and all, The Denver Show ran from September 10th (roughly) to September 16th. I attended for a few days. Blaine Reed's room was central to all the meteorite collectors and dealers for the most part. Blaine always has a nice display as well as good prices on items. A number of dealer consign items at Blaines room. Thursday night Geoff Notkin, Marlin Clilz, Blaine Reed, Mike Martinz a few others and myself sat down by the pool and smoked cigars and talked for a couple of hours. Much beer was consumed. Friday was the get together of the Comets and bidding on meteorite items. I didn't attend but can offer some notes on what I heard. Lots of fun and a few bargins at the bidding. My understanding is there was one item offered involving a course on learning a language. There were multipal rooms offer meteorite specimens of various kinds in the Ramada (formally the Holiday Inn). Always a lot of nice NWA's, Campos and other meteorite types. The Merchandise Mart was home to Rubin Garcia Selling many fine specimens. He seem to have a crowd the whole time I was there looking and as I passed by to leave. The wholesale area usually has a couple of meteorite dealers as well. Denver Show size is not what it use to be. After the attacks on 9 11 the attendance shrank and hasn't been the same since. Denver is always worth attending and helps you get through until the Tucson Show. Sorry for the miss spelled names but just wanted to make a quick comment. All my best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com: Hello Listers, With NV in fool swing with the Battle Mountain fall and other parts of the world being blessed by the Meteorite Gods, I was wondering how is the Denver Rock Show going and if any Listers have taken any photos of some of Dealers collections? I was hoping to go back home in Colorado around this time, but it wasn't happening, so all I can do is read and look at others Listers experiences at the Denver show, which I have to add is fun, I was able to go out to the show a couple years ago, and I seems that its getting bigger with more meteorite dealers :) Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Exceptional nice Eucrite and a new Acapulcoite
Hi Bernd and all, Nothing like insulting our number one, most like citizen on the list (you). Not to mention all of the quality posts you provide! This scum is on my bad boy list for good. Best regards always! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Bernd V. Pauli bernd.pa...@paulinet.de: Hello List, Got this from a certain Bill Connoly: Why do you always kiss all the dealers asses ? Dont need the extra spam. take note No further comment because such words speak for themselves! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Exceptional nice Eucrite and a new Acapulcoite
Mike, I can assure you that the Bill you are referring to would never send Bernd such a message from past emails that we have exchanged. You'll have to find another witch or better yet lets just talk about meteorites. --AL Mitterling Galactic, Stone Ironworks Said: Quote: I strongly suspect this Bill is not named Connoly. The negative tone, the poor grammar, and the disdain for anything he deems spam screams out as another Bill on this list. I think this fellow uses more than one identity on this List and this Connoly identity is nothing more than a sock puppet for this juvenile-adult to vent his bottomless spring of negativity. I think most of us know who I am referring to. I'm sure he will try to email me after I post this, but I have blocked this person and his emails go straight to my trash bin. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questionable Bediasites on ebay
Greetings, There is a way to tell a bediasite from indochinites other than physical looks. If anyone wants the tip, email me off list. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com: Helo Brian, All, Yep, it's John Bryan Scarborough. And those aren't the only catch of the day -- I can see only the top and right edges of this slice, but they're desert-varnished. No fusion crust. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LA-CRIOLLA-L6-METEORITE-23-5g-CRUSTED-FULL-SLICE-WITNESSED-1-6-1985-RIKER-BOX-/271075445904?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3f1d5b0c90 I'd guess NWA. It's a shame, but this material will probably resurface later from credible sources. Folks don't seem to be learning. Regards, Jason From: Brian Burrer brim...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:02 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Questionable Bediasites on ebay To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Greetings list, I have noted a couple of recent ebay listings for Bediasite that appear fraudulent. They look like Indochinites. I contacted the seller, lonestar*meteorites, to ask for more images of his Bediasite inventory during the first listing. This query was met with anger. Now a second listing has appeared and this stone also has surface morphology consistant with Indochinites and inconsistant with Bediasites. I would not feel comfortable making purchases from this seller. Happy hunting, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member
Hi Mirko and list, We communicated over the eBay email about this bidder. He is currently bidding on some of my items on ebay (almittmet). I offer shipping in two days depending on payment. I sometimes think the people up to no good have questionable ID's in hopes you will ship before payment. That's always a mistake if you do. Ebay offers up so much buyer protection and I'm just not going to send an item before payment unless I know the buyer. I'll let the list know as there are many sellers on ebay here if I have anytrouble with this bidder, in the event he wins and doesn't come through. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de: Dear List Members, someone knows the ebay member abram62 ? What experiences have you done? The last 2 years the member has bought nothing. No feedbacks on ebay for the last 2 years. All I see is that he has buy a lot from meteorites dealers ... ..I have a bad feeling... Regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed byDiscoveries on Mars Cognitive Dissonance
Hi Phil and all, You mentioned other factors in your post but I'll include cycles in the Sun also can have a big effect on weather as well as the ones you mentioned. Pretty hard to study something as old as the Earth system by observers who are here only a very short span of that time. There have been many heating up periods followed by colder cycles and probably will be for eons. AL Mitterling Quoting dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com: Astronomers concluded it was axis tilt behind Martian climate change, and then after the fact used computer models to predict what already happened. On Earth, human-generated carbon dioxide is assumed to be the main driver of climate change. Computer models that can't predict the weather for more than three days in advance were used to predict climate change hundreds of years into the future. Is one of these premises false? The Earth has been warming up for the last 18,000 years, possibly from astronomical factors such as orbital variation, axial tilt variation, Milankovitch cycles, etc. If this study really vindicated global climate modeling, wouldn't it have concluded the Earth's climate change is also due to changing astronomical factors? This seems like an obvious contradiction. Sorry for the double post! Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke baa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:05 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed byDiscoveries on Mars NEWS RELEASE FROM THE PLANETARY SCIENCE INSTITUTE FROM: Alan Fischer Public Information Officer Planetary Science Institute 520-382-0411 520-622-6300 fisc...@psi.edu Science of Global Climate Modeling Confirmed by Discoveries on Mars Oct. 16, 2012, Tucson, Ariz. and Reno, Nev. -- Scientific modeling methods that predicted climate change on Earth have been found to be accurate on Mars as well, according to a paper presented at an international planetary sciences conference Tuesday. An international team of researchers from the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, working with French colleagues, found that an unusual concentration of glacial features on Mars matches predictions made by global climate computerized models, in terms of both age and location. PSI Senior Scientist William K. Hartmann led the team, which included Francois Forget (Université Paris), who did the Martian climate modeling, and Veronique Ansan and Nicolas Mangold (Université de Nantes) and Daniel Berman (PSI), all of who analyzed spacecraft measurements regarding the glaciers. Some public figures imply that modeling of global climate change on Earth is 'junk science,' but if climate models can explain features observed on other planets, then the models must have at least some validity, said team leader Hartmann. Hartmann presented the report, Science of Global Climate Modeling: Confirmation from Discoveries On Mars, at the annual meeting of the Division of Planetary Sciences of the American Astronomical Society in Reno, Nev. The scientific team reached their conclusions by combining four different aspects of Martian geological mapping and Martian climate science in recent years. They noted that the climate models, the presence of glaciers, the ages of the glacial surface layers, and radar confirmation of ice in same general area, all gave consistent results - that the glaciers formed in a specific region of Mars, due to unusual climate circumstances, just as indicated by the climate model. The work has a long background. As early 1993, astronomers analyzed the changing tilt of Mars' rotational axis and found that during high-tilt Martian episodes, the axis tilt can exceed 45 degrees. Under this extreme condition, the summer hemisphere is strongly tilted toward the sun, and Mars' polar ice cap in that hemisphere evaporates, increasing water vapor in the Martian air, thus increasing the chances for snowfall in the dark, cold, winter hemisphere. The last such episodes happened on Mars 5 million to 20 million years ago. By 2001-2006, various French and American researchers applied the global climate computer models to study this effect. The computer programs were originally developed for planet Earth to estimate climate effects, from hurricane paths to CO2 greenhouse warming. Planetary scientists simply applied the Martian topography, atmosphere, and gravity, in order to run the computer calculations for Mars. The calculations indicated a strong concentration of winter snow and ice in a mid-latitude southern region of Mars, just east of a huge Martian impact basin named Hellas. At the same time, the PSI scientists independently discovered an unusual concentration of glacial features in a 40-mile-wide crater named Greg centered in the same region. Their analysis showed that the surface layers of the glaciers formed at the same time as the
Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member
Hi Mirko and Phil, Same here. This bidder bought item from me and didn't pay saying that other dealers couldn't provide paperwork. Didn't ask me if I had any. Think he was hoping for shipment before payment. I recommend that people block this buyer from their ebay auctions or you might run into trouble. I know I have already. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de: Dear List, As reported already, abram62 fraud also tried with me. He had reported a case with PayPal, that he did not receive his meteorites. With the tracking number, I could see that he had received his package. So I called today ebay and paypal. Have described the facts and report the buyer. I copied the shipping documents, scanned and in pdf format. File sent to PayPal. PayPal has studied the case even today. And could see that the buyer has received his meteorites. So from PayPal, the case was closed. And I have my money back. So i am very happy for today. I can only recommend each seller: Blocked this seller for your ebay store. Ebay and PayPal to call. Report Member abram62. Shipping certificates to send PayPal. The only way to win against this thief. All the best to all, best regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail: m_gr...@yahoo.de WEB: www.meteorite-mirko.de Member of The Meteoritical Society (International Society for Meteoritics and Planetery Science) IMCA-Member: 2113 (International Meteorite Collectors Association) Von: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com An: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Gesendet: 17:46 Dienstag, 23.Oktober 2012 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member Hi List, Well, museum paperwork for each meteorite, including unclassifieds and NWA's, sounds like a reasonably insane request to me! Tell abrams62 to contact AMNH and request some himself : American Museum of Natural History Central Park West at 79th Street New York, NY 10024-5192 Email contact form : http://www.amnh.org/common/contact/ Tell abrams62 he can get the quickest response by asking for professor Hubert J. Farnsworth. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 10/23/12, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha list members, Ebay buyer abrams62 pulled the same stunt on me. At first he asked for separate invoices for each item, which he stated he would pay separately by different sources. Then he asked for me to ship out the meteorites he won in auction COD, to be paid after he looked and approved them. Uh, I don't think so. Now he wants ownership certificate / title of each meteorite from an expert in the American (sic) Musiem of natural history. Well, thats not going to happen, and because payment has not been remitted, he has joined a motley assortment of blocked bidders I have created. If you want to share lists of blocked bidders, email me off list. Mahalo nui and have a great day. gary On Oct 23, 2012, at 5:24 AM, dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com wrote: Please check abram62 's feedback before dealing with him. If you still choose to deal with him, I wish you the best of luck. He's running some kind of con. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: almi...@localnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ATTENTION - Question about ebay member Hi Mirko and list, We communicated over the eBay email about this bidder. He is currently bidding on some of my items on ebay (almittmet). I offer shipping in two days depending on payment. I sometimes think the people up to no good have questionable ID's in hopes you will ship before payment. That's always a mistake if you do. Ebay offers up so much buyer protection and I'm just not going to send an item before payment unless I know the buyer. I'll let the list know as there are many sellers on ebay here if I have anytrouble with this bidder, in the event he wins and doesn't come through. Best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting Mirko Graul m_gr...@yahoo.de: Dear List Members, someone knows the ebay member abram62 ? What experiences have you done? The last 2 years the member has bought nothing. No feedbacks on ebay for the last 2 years. All I see is that he has buy a lot from meteorites dealers ... ..I have a bad feeling... Regards Mirko Mirko Graul Meteorite Quittenring.4 16321 Bernau GERMANY Phone: 0049-1724105015 E-Mail:
Re: [meteorite-list] happy turkey day
Steve, You need to put AD in your subject when selling items, even when your misrepresent a post to say Happy Thanksgiving then go into your ad mode. Thanks for your consideration. --AL Mitterling Quoting steve arnold chicagosteve1...@gmail.com: Hello listers. I would like to publicly wish all my usa and abroad fellow americans a happy thanksgiving and a truly safe holiday.Just a plug on meteorites I am selling. I also have 15 gram oriented sikhote-alin with really nice lipping on the bottom. $50. Thats it have a great day. -- Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] happy turkey day
Steve, You need to put AD in your subject line when selling meteorites even under the disguise of wishing everyone a Happy Thanksgiving. Your consideration is appreciated. --AL Mitterling Quoting steve arnold chicagosteve1...@gmail.com: Hello listers. I would like to publicly wish all my usa and abroad fellow americans a happy thanksgiving and a truly safe holiday.Just a plug on meteorites I am selling. I also have 15 gram oriented sikhote-alin with really nice lipping on the bottom. $50. Thats it have a great day. -- Steve R. Anold, chicago, ill. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Posting
Greetings List, To shoot one's mouth off without thinking is the same as shooting a firearm off with out aiming. No other comment as it will make things worse. --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day (suspended until further notice)
Greetings, I thought falls without witnesses were allege falls?? --AL Mitterling Quoting h...@meteorhall.com: Scientists argue all the time. Discussion is what drives every science. Words are important. I'm impotent...wait, that's from an old joke. See, even spelling is important! Good Night, Fred People can argue about many things my question is why So calling them Observed or Unobserved falls is logical. That is what happened to all of them. That is simple reality. Anne M. Black __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Driving vs. flying
Hi Yinan and all, You also left out depreciation on your vehicle which also adds up. I think business gets a 50 cents a mile deduction on that. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com: Driving vs Flying is a question of starting point and logistics. For east coasters that's a total of 5000+ miles round trip and 4-5 nights of hotels to account for all that + gas (~170 gallons for a decent vehicle). That comes to roughly $1600 and a week of your life that you could spend doing other things. Flying: Airfare $350 roundtrip, Car rental $120/week: Which comes to approximately $900 (that's including various fees). There will be additional fees for mailing your stuff home. Oh, and you get several free days which you didn't spend driving. So ya, if you're within a day or two driving distance then driving is better. Further out and it may not be worth it. Math! See ya'll in Tucson. -Yinan On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Hi John, I'm driving from SoCal as well. Saves the hassle and expense of flying (which limits what I can bring) and then having to rent a car. Also, unlike a rental car, with my own vehicle I can go off-road if I want, which is handy if you plan to do a little space-rock hunting along the way! --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John Cabassi Sent: Monday, January 07, 2013 6:27 PM To: Michael Farmer Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] To my Tucson friends... G'Day Linton, Michael and List Very good advice Michael. I opted to drive from L.A., hotel is booked. Look forward to seeing everyone. Cheers John __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3rd Annual Eating Around Tucson - 2013
Greetings, Also add In and Out Burger. 257. 3711 BROADWAY BLVD. TUCSON, AZ 85716, 1978 E. AJO WAY TUCSON, AZ 85713. Mag Pie Pizza and Old Town Pizza are also good pizza places. Best! --AL Mitterling Quoting cdtuc...@cox.net: John, Chuy's on Speedway is closed due to immigration violations. But right next door is a wine shop called the Rum Runner that has it's own restaurant inside called The Dish. It is fine dinning at it's best and many consider it to be Tucson's Finest restaurant. see here; http://www.rumrunnertucson.com/thedish/index.html Mi Nidito is Tucson's finest Mexican restaurant. Try the presidential platter. This is actually what President Clinton ordered when visiting Tucson a few years ago. And easily worth the long wait. But, Rosa's is a close second for Mexican. Too many celebrities to list eat here when in Tucson. Check out the pictures on the walls. On the East side at Broadway at Wilmot the best breakfast is at Brawley's. Low Low price for amazing food. My 2 cents. And I'm lucky enough to live here in Tucson. Carl Meteoritemax -- Cheers John Teague volg...@icx.net wrote: Hey, List Members! (I 'seem' to have misplaced some of the e-mails that folks sent me last year with 'additions' for this list! Sorry to those that did! If you will resend them to me, I will make a better effort at updating the list! New suggestions are ALWAYS welcome!) I have it on good authority that Tucson is fast approaching! With that in mind, I am once again giving my ?Annual Eating Around Tucson? list. This list has been put together with over twenty years of attending the shows. These are my opinions (well, my wife, Cookie, too!) only. I have no vested interest in any of these establishments, no free food, etc! I just like good food! Maybe you will find my/our tastes different from yours but all of these are worth a try! I?m leaving for Tucson Thursday of next week! This will be my second year to make the 2200 mile (each way!) drive to Tucson. Cookie is flying out later! Guess that she is a bit smarter than I! My first time attending the main show last year was great! I'm really looking forward to this year's show as fluorite (probably my favorite mineral!) is the theme! Being able to spend a full month in Tucson was so great last year that I'm doing it again this year! I am adding some new locations suggested by list members last year after my initial post. I did get to try some of them and enjoyed them VERY much. I hope to add more this year! * Pat's Drive In, 1202 West Niagara Street, 520-624-0891 I should not list this first, but I AM! I first read about Pat's in Arizona Highways magazine. It is a tradition in Arizona! It is on a side street off N. Grande Ave, between Speedway and St. Marys. It is near the condo that we rent each year. I had driven within half a block of it for years and did not know it existed! If you like the old drive in restaurants, this IS the place for you! If you like greasy fries by the pound, this is for you! If you like GREAT chili hotdogs, this IS the place for you, please note that they have three degrees of heat for their chili! We have three favorites that we think everyone should try at least once. In no particular order: * La Fuente Restaurant, 1749 N. Oracle Rd., 520-623-8659 REALLY good Mexican/Tex-Mex food. The lunch buffet is very good and very reasonable. If you're there for dinner, be sure to order the Guacamole made table-side. It is VERY GOOD! * Silver Saddle Steak House, 6th Ave. I-10 (310 E. Benson Highway), 520-622-6253 This place is near downtown and has some of the best steak that I've had in Tucson. If you're going for dinner, it is best to get there early or be prepared to wait 30 minutes to an hour. It IS worth the wait! I do not think that they take reservations. * Lil Abner's Steakhouse, 8501 N Silverbell Rd., 520-744-2800 This is a MUST for Tucson show visitors. I remember going there a lot of years ago when this place was truly in the middle of nowhere! If you go this year, you'll she how that has changed. It use to be a drive out into the desert! Any of the show weekends will have tons of show folks there! The steaks rival Silver Saddle but everything is served with a salad, beans, and bread! LOVE the atmosphere there! * Daisy Mae's Steak House, 2735 W. Anklam Rd., 520-792-. This is just down the street from the condo we rent while in Tucson. Great steaks! Other recommendations: Breakfast recommendations: * Blue Willow, 2616 N. Campbell Ave. Tucson, AZ 520-327-7577 If you want to take time for a nice, leisurely breakfast, this is THE place! Food is great, prices are reasonable. It is in a house converted to a restaurant. * Los Betos Mexican Food, 914 E Speedway Blvd, 520-884-5291 and 32 N Campbell Ave 520-628-7462 plus several other around town. If you're looking for something that will keep you going through
Re: [meteorite-list] MBale
Quoting Edwin Thompson etmeteori...@hotmail.com: The story we were told back in 92 was that the solders broke up the stones because they were told there might be silver and gold in the stones from the sky. Greetings Edwin and list, If I remember right, in my Sky and Telescope article that I read back then, it was also thought to be a cure for AIDS, which resulted in breaking up specimens (pulverized)to be used as a cure. --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First Chelyabinsk Russia meteorite listed on eBay
NASA asteroid expert Don Yeomans, head of the agency's Near-Earth Object Program Office, told SPACE.com that the object which exploded over a thinly inhabited stretch of eastern Europe today was most likely an _exploding fireball known as a bolide._ Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/02/15/russian-meteor-explosion-not-caused-by-asteroid-flyby-nasa-scientist-says/#ixzz2L2J50GUM Greetings all, Looks like bolide is STILL a relevant term according to the NASA expert! Also until a chemical analysis of the fallen material along with a spectra of the asteroid that is near, we won't know for certain if there is a connection. Lets wait until evidence is in. --AL Mitterling __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Greetings, Roving Reporter missed the meteor that landed near Blaine's room. --AL Quoting valpar...@aol.com: Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: New Fall !! Contributed by: Roving Reporter http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Bob Evans
Greetings, Sorry to spoil the holiday season by posting this. Since I was threaten by this fraud, I will again post some of the problems people have had with him. If you are buying from him, you are enabling him to continue to contaminate our collections and are just as guilty. Just because he has bought back some of his bad items, does't make him o.k. He sells under the ebay user name of maccers531. Beware! --AL Mitterling [meteorite-list] Evans and Court Judgments. Steve Schoner schoner at mybluelight.com Sun Dec 14 14:29:51 EST 2008 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Helpful Next message: [meteorite-list] Wanted : NWA 482 - playing the field Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hello all, After reading this, there might be some recourse. I am not a lawyer-- but in the case of a civil judgment, in some states one can put a lien on all or or any of his personal titled property. Try fixing his wagon by first putting a lien on his transportation. It won't affect him immediately, but if he tries to sell his vehicle... The lien will show up-- He can't transfer title till the lien is satisfied. And if so, all his claimants can just pile the liens on. Steve Schoner Message: 6 Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:16:27 -0500 From: al mitterling almitt at kconline.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 8E6D633437BD4B7592BD4BD9C002A95F at StarmanPC Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Greetings List Members, It seems that a certain member in bad standing that continues to want to advertise here who has cheated a number of unsuspecting members by both not returning money to them after promising to do so and also misrepresenting meteorite types as something rare when they are not. A number of these victims wrote to me to thank me for posting my first email message about him. Here are a few of the list archives indicating there are serious problems with this creep. You can also go here to see for your self a number of the problems that have been posted over the list for a number of years. http://www.google.com/custom?q=bob+evansdomains=six.pairlist.netsitesearch=six.pairlist. netsitesearch=sa=Search+the+Archives I must warn the list of Bob Evans as well. I was supposed to receive a $125 refund from Bob over a month ago and I still have not received my money back, nor have I recieved a response from him after several email and phone call attempts. Well, I checked his Ebay history a few days ago and noticed that he had placed a $1500 bid on a meteorite not too long ago, yet he cannot afford to return my hard-earned money back to me? Never again! I warn everyone else not to do any business with Bob Evans. His unprofessionalism is a joke. Ryan Well, Bob Evans just called me after reading my email to the list and he was pissed-off as I had expected he would be.. nearly shouting at me through the phone line. It doesn't look like I wil be getting a penny back from him, so it looks like I'll have to use alternate routes to get my money back. Sorry to everyone else who has to read this, but his reaction to the situation is unacceptable. By the way BobI'm 22 years old, not 15 as you had asked me during our brief phone altercation this evening. See you in Tucson next year... I'm sure everyone will be giving you a warm welcome. Ryan Bob Evans its another Cosmicvisitors alias Brad Sampson...sent money no material, useless excuses aside the mailbox not go etc. Mauro Daniel McCartney and List, Doesn`t a theft of goods totaling a sum of 4,000+$ constitute a Felony in Texas? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061122154905AAnQ0ts Thank you McCartney for your post to the list. Sincerely, Dirk...Tokyo mccartney mccartney at blackbearddata.com wrote: As a member of IMCA, I feel it my duty to warn other meteorite buffs to avoid entanglements from questionable persons. On June 24, 2006 I posted to the list as a courtesy that I had been the victim of a fraudulent trade with Bob Evans. This is the rest of the story... After a year of trying to resolve the issue, it took me many more months to conclude that he just wasn't going to respond. I sent emails, Ebay emails, registered letters and confirmed delivery letters, with no response from Mr. Evans. He had my piece and he wasn't going to finish the trade. I sued Bob Evans in Williamson County, Texas Court. It went to court on October 19, 2006. Small CLaims suit #060094. He apparently tried to avoid being served his lawsuit by the Will County Sheriff, but they served him successfully. He did not respond to the suit, nor did he show in court. He lost by default and now has a judgment of $4,800 against him. He now joins Mr. Casper in the hall of Shame. Its my character flaw to be an overyly trusting guy. I have traded with people
Re: [meteorite-list] The New Decade Off Topic
Greetings, I keep hearing and seeing different places about this being the new decade. They kept saying it last night in the news media. It isn't! The new decade will begin next January 1st 2011. Just as people made mistakes about the new millinaium about nine years ago. Unless the calander started in the year 0 then we are actually finishing out the current decade. I know there is some debate about all this but I'm going with this being the beginning of tenth year of the first decade in 30th century. http://www.millenniummistake.net/frame2.htm Well enough non-sense, all my best to everyone and Happy New Year to all! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question Regarding Lunar's
Hi Carl and all, Just a note, the Millbillillie reddish color comes from the red clay in that area of Australia and isn't oxidation to my knowledge. There are many pristine samples of Millbillillie with black fusion crust. Also Millbillillie is a somewhat fairly fresh fall that didn't happen very long ago. For your information and others. All my best! --AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites Quoting cdtuc...@cox.net: Greg, Many Meteorites from other finds do have the red oxidation on the crust like Millbillillie but not exclusively on just in interior areas like the Oman clan. So , again why is that? Thanks Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
