Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
Hi community, I reply to myself : wonderfull. I've setup a full KDE environment in half-a-day. I remember some Gentoo days where I had to wait sometimes for days for the same thing (that crashes because I was so aggressive with gcc optimisation :) I really enjoy to discover that OpenBSD is also excellent for desktop in a full open-source environment. I'm now totally addicted ! :) Also, I think OpenBSD is seen as a hardcore-security-os-that-wont-run-anything-because-its-a-security-hole, which is FALSE : YOU CAN *EASILY* USE OPENBSD FOR SOMETHING ELSE THAN A ROUTER AND THAT MUST BE KNOWN :) The pure-monolitic kernel is really wonderfull : no dumb module to load that you forget to compile, auto-probing, no user-land craps (pcmcia-cs)... For me, OpenBSD is one of the best open-source spirit incarnation : if something does really not work on OpenBSD, it's not the good way. Thanks to the developpers to make it possible. Best regards, Bruno. Note : Recently, NetBSD-current support wpa_supplicant. I try to use it with OpenBSD... See http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2005/10/01/0014.html 2006/2/14, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Best regards, Bruno.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 05:11:42PM +, Dennis Davis wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Andreas Bihlmaier wrote: snip There was some discussion about this on the list some time ago. Apparently the Linux version works OK in compatability mode. I installed this version on my i386 OpenBSD machine. I haven't used it -- other than to verify soffice fires up -- so I can't say how well it works. I followed the instructions from a web page that seems to have vanished. So here's the steps I took. You'll obviously need the Redhat libraries (/usr/ports/emulators/redhat) installed. And have: kern.emul.linux=1 set in /etc/sysctl.conf. Touched /emul/linux/etc/mnttab to create it as an empty file. /emul/linux/etc/mtab Added: # # For OpenOffice in Linux compatability mode. /proc /proc procfs rw,linux 0 0 to /etc/fstab. Created and mounted /proc. Created the directory OOo_2.0.0, untarred OOo_2.0.0_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz in this directory to create all the RPMs. Created /opt as a soft link to /usr/local. ln -s /usr/local /emul/linux/opt Installed the software by typing: /emul/linux/bin/rpm --nodeps --ignoreos --ignorearch -ivh *.rpm Programs are installed in /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/s*. For instance the text editor is /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter and the main app is /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/soffice. The web page then said: If programs don't start and if you have a Java virtual machine, temporarily disable it (chmod 0 /usr/local/jdk*), then start OpenOffice. You can then re-enable Java (chmod 755 /usr/local/jdk*) and keep it that way. but I'm not running with a Java virtual machine so it's not a problem I've experienced. -- Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +44 1225 386101 I don't want to be picky corrections are just for the archives. Besides that: THANK YOU! Couldn't there be a short entry in the FAQ about How to get OpenOffice to run on OpenBSD i386 because I think that there is quite a bunch of people that want to run OO on OpenBSD. Sadly this is not going to work for amd64, but otherwise it seems to work quite well under linux emulation. Regards, ahb
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
I remember there was a (big) effort to patch the oo sources so as to work natively in openbsd. I guess the port has stalled a bit since then.But I may be wrong as well. If anyone knows about it it would be kind of him to enlighten us also.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
Antonios Anastasiadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb am 15.02.06 13:56:21: I remember there was a (big) effort to patch the oo sources so as to work natively in openbsd. I guess the port has stalled a bit since then.But I may be wrong as well. If anyone knows about it it would be kind of him to enlighten us also. Hi, there was a thread last year here on misc@ on how to get the Linux version of OOo running on OpenBSD. Using the hints in this thread I succeded in getting to OOo to run on my laptop. Have a look at http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-miscm=112984281031654w=2) I posted this on www.bsdforums.org where you find additional infos: http://www.bsdforums.org/forums/showthread.php?t=34613 In particular you might be interested in the following link pointing to a port and a package of OOo 2.0.1: http://www.rommel.stw.uni-erlangen.de/~guebbbi/ Cheers, SteWo [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type APPLICATION/DEFANGED which had a name of Stefan Wollny.13428DEFANGED-vcf]
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
I know it runs via emulation, I was talking about a native port. I found where it was mentioned: http://cvs.openbsd.org/papers/ven05-pvalchev/
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On 2/15/06, Antonios Anastasiadis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know it runs via emulation, I was talking about a native port. I found where it was mentioned: http://cvs.openbsd.org/papers/ven05-pvalchev/ Interesting the malloc thing! Thank you very much for the information- Ramiro.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On 2/14/06, dreamwvr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 07:13:47PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: There was some discussion about this on the list some time ago. Apparently the Linux version works OK in compatability mode. I installed this version on my i386 OpenBSD machine. I haven't used it -- other than to verify soffice fires up -- so I can't say how well it works. Yes, that was the paper I followed and It works fine. However, I have not tested it in depth. I do not want to start a flame war here, but I would like to know why there is not a native OpenOffice port for OpenBSD. I mean, the technicall resons, I am not a programmer and I would like to know it. because you haven't ported it yet.. You see someone has to do it. :) Thanks, I am not able to do it, my programming skills are limited, that is why I am asking for the reason of not having a native OpenOffice port. Thank you. Ramiro.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I do not want to start a flame war here, but I would like to know why there is not a native OpenOffice port for OpenBSD. I mean, the technicall resons, I am not a programmer and I would like to know it. because you haven't ported it yet.. You see someone has to do it. :) Thanks, I am not able to do it, my programming skills are limited, that is why I am asking for the reason of not having a native OpenOffice port. Ask the OpenOffice.org project why they have not created a native OpenBSD port. It's their application. If you don't like that answer, then the reason is what dreamwvr stated; *you* have not yet ported it. There are no technical reasons other than the application was not written to be portable. Since you don't have the skill to do it yourself, you also do not have the right to complain about it. Alternatively, you do have the right to pay someone who does have the skills to port it for you. This is the way application compatibility works. Someone has to make it happen. Do you expect someone else to take the time out of their day to make it happen? What are you going to give them for their time? DS
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
Ramiro Aceves wrote: [snip] I do not want to start a flame war here, but I would like to know why there is not a native OpenOffice port for OpenBSD. I mean, the technicall resons, I am not a programmer and I would like to know it. Just curious. Much effort has gone into porting OpenOffice, but issues remains: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/ven05-pvalchev/mgp5.html /Sigfred
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
Bruno. I'd been experiencing terrible problems with FreeBSD and Gnome and so I chose to install OpenBSD 3.8 and fluxbox So far, so good and it's all operating very smoothly and reliably. So far, the only application that I haven't brought on board is Evolution which I really need, but I am making do with Thunderbird for now. To be honest, it's been much more straight forward to set this up, than it ever has been with the so-called more user friendly FreeBSD. It will depend on whether there is support for your applications of choice, in OpenBSD, but from what I see so far, there isn't any reason not to run OpenBSD as a desktop/workstation environment. If fact, it's inspired me to put together a 'how-to' of sorts, for OpenBSD newbies. Best regards, Craig Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Best regards, Bruno.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On 2/14/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Best regards, Bruno. hi all, Same here. OpenBSD stable on a laptop, wonderfull, everything works out of the box. Using Fluxbox atm, but I've used Gnome too. Sound, video (including dvds), development (c, ruby, rubyonrails, perl), office (abiword) (tried to get openoffice working using linux emul (using : http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:W7h3AF3QyF4J:www.freesource.info/wiki/PhpCoder/drafts/RunningOpenOfficeOnOpenBSD+openoffice_on_openbsdhl=frgl=frct=clnkcd=4client=firefox) without success) xorg was easy to setup since the IBM T40 is popular and xorg.conf files are common on the web. Thanks OpenBSD. -- Thom/ange http://ange.librium.org
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On 2/14/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Bruno. I think that the best thing you can do is to try and see whether it can fit your needs. It works fine for me with fluxbox window manager, firefox, thunderbird, gnumeric, abiword, gimp, vim and so on. Also tried openoffice 2.0 under linux emulation and worked just fine. I uninstalled GNOME because I had an stability problem with gnome-panel (in 3.8 release). KDE worked fine, just some missing features (some /proc linux stuff) that I did not investigate further. I recomend to you to try it and decide yourself. Installing packages under OpenBSD is a quick and pleasant process. Regards Ramiro. Best regards, Bruno.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
Hi Bruno, I use OpenBSD 3.8 as my work desktop and it is extremely smooth and a terrific experience. I'd used Linux and then FreeBSD for years, but setting up X was the easiest ever and I have not had a single glitch of any sort yet (that wasn't due to my own ignorance). I run Fluxbox on my 3 yr old Dell, and use Ogle to watch dvds, opera w/ flash or firefox w/ java to browse the web. I also use Kate/Koffice to do word processing, Perl for development, etc. I also use a wireless nic, burn cd's, and even configured my laptop to be a (rarely used) print and file server for other Windows/Linux boxes using OpenBSD. Unfortunately, I have to occassionaly use a custom Windows app, Lotus Notes and support another sys admin who uses Linux and so I've set up a separate Linux machine running CrossOver Office and I just connect to that Linux box using Xwindows forwarded over SSH or straight SSH when I have to. I also strongly believe using OpenBSD all of the time now has made me a better Sys Admin (although I am still learning) and is making the use and administration of OpenBSD second-nature. --- Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Best regards, Bruno. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, Andreas Bihlmaier wrote: From: Andreas Bihlmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: misc@openbsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:14:10 +0100 Subject: Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ? ... Only think to remember is the lack of OpenOffice in (native) OpenBSD. Sure there is gnumeric and abiword as well as koffice, but I think it is not an adequate replacement for OO. There was some discussion about this on the list some time ago. Apparently the Linux version works OK in compatability mode. I installed this version on my i386 OpenBSD machine. I haven't used it -- other than to verify soffice fires up -- so I can't say how well it works. I followed the instructions from a web page that seems to have vanished. So here's the steps I took. You'll obviously need the Redhat libraries (/usr/ports/emulators/redhat) installed. And have: kern.emul.linux=1 set in /etc/sysctl.conf. Touched /emul/linux/etc/mnttab to create it as an empty file. Added: # # For OpenOffice in Linux compatability mode. /proc /proc procfs rw,linux 0 0 to /etc/fstab. Created and mounted /proc. Created the directory OOo_2.0.0, untarred OOo_2.0.0_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz in this directory to create all the RPMs. Created /opt as a soft link to /usr/local. Installed the software by typing: /emul/linux/bin/rpm --nodeps --ignoreos --ignorearch -ivh *.rpm Programs are installed in /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/s*. For instance the text editor is /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/swriter and the main app is /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/soffice. The web page then said: If programs don't start and if you have a Java virtual machine, temporarily disable it (chmod 0 /usr/local/jdk*), then start OpenOffice. You can then re-enable Java (chmod 755 /usr/local/jdk*) and keep it that way. but I'm not running with a Java virtual machine so it's not a problem I've experienced. -- Dennis Davis, BUCS, University of Bath, Bath, BA2 7AY, UK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +44 1225 386101
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On 2/14/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? I'm using amd64 on a Compaq Presario SR1720NX. X -configure worked great to set up the xorg.conf. I use icewm as a window manager. Very fast. Very clean. Very simple. I use firefox, mutt, thunderbird, xmms, abiword, xpdf, xmms, gaim, ogle, vnc-viewer, rdesktop. Rock solid. Fast. Stable. -- http://erdelynet.com/ Support OpenBSD! http://www.openbsd.org/orders.html
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
Hello Bruno, my old intel-466 machine is running OBSD for a while. Before I tried the first time, I was afraid about the complexities involved in the task of making OBSD a desktop environment. but when you have time to learn, everything becomes easier. it's now working smoothly for me with fluxbox, abiword, firefox and plone/zope/python... it's just the beginning. More time i have, more i'll work on that task. I have just a problem when i logout X, my video gets black and i need to reboot it. I read a comment pointing out this problem is related to the driver. btw, anyone know what is it, my card is a GeForce 2 MX400? when i get home i send my dmesg. But for now, does anyone know? thanks 006/2/14, Obi Okeke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Bruno, I use OpenBSD 3.8 as my work desktop and it is extremely smooth and a terrific experience. I'd used Linux and then FreeBSD for years, but setting up X was the easiest ever and I have not had a single glitch of any sort yet (that wasn't due to my own ignorance). I run Fluxbox on my 3 yr old Dell, and use Ogle to watch dvds, opera w/ flash or firefox w/ java to browse the web. I also use Kate/Koffice to do word processing, Perl for development, etc. I also use a wireless nic, burn cd's, and even configured my laptop to be a (rarely used) print and file server for other Windows/Linux boxes using OpenBSD. Unfortunately, I have to occassionaly use a custom Windows app, Lotus Notes and support another sys admin who uses Linux and so I've set up a separate Linux machine running CrossOver Office and I just connect to that Linux box using Xwindows forwarded over SSH or straight SSH when I have to. I also strongly believe using OpenBSD all of the time now has made me a better Sys Admin (although I am still learning) and is making the use and administration of OpenBSD second-nature. --- Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Best regards, Bruno. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Bruno Costa
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
There was some discussion about this on the list some time ago. Apparently the Linux version works OK in compatability mode. I installed this version on my i386 OpenBSD machine. I haven't used it -- other than to verify soffice fires up -- so I can't say how well it works. Yes, that was the paper I followed and It works fine. However, I have not tested it in depth. I do not want to start a flame war here, but I would like to know why there is not a native OpenOffice port for OpenBSD. I mean, the technicall resons, I am not a programmer and I would like to know it. Just curious. Thanks Ramiro.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 07:13:47PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: There was some discussion about this on the list some time ago. Apparently the Linux version works OK in compatability mode. I installed this version on my i386 OpenBSD machine. I haven't used it -- other than to verify soffice fires up -- so I can't say how well it works. Yes, that was the paper I followed and It works fine. However, I have not tested it in depth. I do not want to start a flame war here, but I would like to know why there is not a native OpenOffice port for OpenBSD. I mean, the technicall resons, I am not a programmer and I would like to know it. because you haven't ported it yet.. You see someone has to do it. :)
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On 2/13/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? I use WindowMaker on this OpenBSD laptop and couldn't be happier. My needs are simple, photo editing including RAW conversion, email, web browsing, astronomy, listening to music, a little text editing, that's about it. Greg
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:16:07 +0400 Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Best regards, Bruno. If you mean getting X and KDE running, I am not sure it could be easier. I think I have had less problems getting X working with OpenBSD than I did with Linux. Look through packages and see if the desktop apps you want are in there... if so your set. I don't think its any harder than an OpenBSD install.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 12:35:36AM -0500, Bill wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:16:07 +0400 Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] spake: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Best regards, Bruno. If you mean getting X and KDE running, I am not sure it could be easier. I think I have had less problems getting X working with OpenBSD than I did with Linux. Look through packages and see if the desktop apps you want are in there... if so your set. I don't think its any harder than an OpenBSD install. Only think to remember is the lack of OpenOffice in (native) OpenBSD. Sure there is gnumeric and abiword as well as koffice, but I think it is not an adequate replacement for OO. Besides that I run OpenBSD on a couple of desktop (PC and Laptop) and I'm actually quite amazed how smooth it works. (Amazed is meant to contrast the believe that OpenBSD is good for firewalls, but sucks for desktop use). It runs pretty darn fast as well. Regards, ahb As always I have to say OpenBSD is a great OS and I'm thankful for every developer that saved me (and many others) from other(c) OS.
Re: OpenBSD for a desktop environment ?
On 2/13/06, Bruno Carnazzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'd like to know if someone tried to build a desktop environment on OpenBSD/i386. I think to rich desktop like Gnome or KDE. Is it hard ? What's your feedback ? Add me to the list of satisfied desktop users. Both my workstation and laptop run openbsd. Because I do have to interact with the microsoft world I have gnumeric, xlhtml, abiword and antiword installed. Dia, gnuplot, R, gimp, gaim, firefox, bloatzilla, mplayer, xmms, xpdf, xpat2 and gtkpod add more checkmarks to the list of usual things people want to do with their peecees. Thusfar I haven't had to process any microsoft-y documents that couldn't be handled by abiword or gnumeric. Tell people you're still using office 97 and you'll be fine. CK -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
