RE: [Mono-list] (no subject)
Do we need to get in contact with Neoware to talk about it ? Erik On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 22:01 -0400, Nick Berardi wrote: I personally see no problem with show casing the site. Let me know what you need and anything I can do. Nick -Original Message- From: Miguel de Icaza [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 2:05 PM To: Nick Berardi; Erik Dasque Cc: mono-list@ximian.com Subject: Re: [Mono-list] (no subject) Hello, I have just recently completed a site for a client using Mono/XSP. The client is Neoware (http://www.neoware.com), they are the #2 thin client provider in the world right a head of HP. IBM distributes their products on IBM's website. So they are no small company. I replaced their backend processing which use to use CGI/Perl scripting, with handlers and a couple ASPX pages placed around the site. For example http://www.neoware.com/auth/Login.aspx and all the forms on the site use a handler I called BlackBox.ashx. Congratulations! Do you think it would be possible to showcase or link to it from the Mono site as a place that is using Mono/XSP? miguel. ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] RE: Support for .NET/COM interoperability
On Jan 4, 2005, at 7:16 AM, Jonathan Pryor wrote: There is an alternate approach, though: Leave your COM code on Windows, and write a .NET front-end which uses .NET COM Interop to use your COM objects. The front-end could be an XML Web Service or a System.Runtime.Remoting server, both of which Mono can communicate with. Thus you'd have: Mono/Linux -- [Network] -- .NET Web Service -- COM Component This is likely the easiest approach, though its performance won't be spectacular. - Jon Yes, I think that's the best option though you might want to use remoting instead of WS in that case. Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - Mono-list@lists.ximian.com http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] IDE tools for mono on linux
Monodevelop (http://www.monodevelop.com/) is what you need, a port of #Develop to use gtk# basically. Erik On Dec 5, 2004, at 1:17 PM, Amish Munshi wrote: Greetings, Will sharpdevelop run on linux, without modifications? Can I use the existing installed sharpdevelop on windows and execute mono /windows/C/Program\ Files/Sharpdevelop/bin/Sharpdevelop.exe and expect it to work any time soon? I installed from the svn today, but unfortunately it doesnt work as of now. Will we have a tool like VS.NET (Just drag and drop the tools to create web/windows pages). Amish. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Fwd: from Skala - .NET Technologies MONO
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Re: [Mono-list] Newbie question: GUI choice
Windows.Forms is a solution yes but Gtk# works today on Linux, Unixes and Windows. See the GTK+/GTK# installer for Windows on forge.novell.com Erik Christian Convey wrote: Hey guys, I'm considering Mono as the environment for a cross-platform GUI application I'm designing. The app would ideally run with just one code base on Linux, OS X, and Windows. Is Windows.Forms the best choice for cross-platform GUI programming in Mono? I assume that Gtk# is Linux-specific, and Qt# looks like its going nowhere. Thanks, Christian ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] vb.net with mono
Well, the VB.NET compiler for Mono is included in 1.0 (and 1.01) as a preview. It's called mbas. It'll be complete for the 1.2 release in Feb 2005 Erik On Aug 9, 2004, at 11:22 AM, lamyae Benabdeljalil wrote: I am testing the portability of wab application developped with vs.net (using vb), with mono on linux, please can uve me a hint? ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-docs-list] Re: Welcome to the Mono-docs-list mailing list
This document does a decent job at explaining how to work on doc: http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/documentation.html The Microsoft libraries doc can probably use your help if you are a confirmed .NET/C# programmer. A tutorial on how to write applications with Mono for Windows C#/.NET would be welcome too. Erik On Aug 8, 2004, at 7:30 PM, michael isbell wrote: so here I am... I want to work on some mono documentation. I'm a 3.5 year c# .net developer, 24 year programmer. where dui start? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Mono-docs-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list ___ Mono-docs-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list
Re: [Mono-list] Cross-platform GUI.
My two cents. There is a GTK# installer coming for MacOS X. I second David's affirmation though I will modify it slightly: The Mac favouring Mono hackers would be doing us a great favour if they could commit some resources to a 'native' OSX GTK port. The current ports are pretty stalled. GTK-OSX is nearly there but is only GTK 1.2, GTK-Quartz didn't get very far at all. The Mono favoring Mac hackers would be doing us a great favor if they could commit some resources to a 'native' OSX GTK port. The current ports are pretty stalled. Or actually, Apple could/should. Erik On Jul 26, 2004, at 2:57 PM, David Burnett wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 11:02:36AM -0400, Dan Winship wrote: Amazing. I didn't that Gtk itself was ported to Mac OS X. To clarify, The Gtk X11 backend works under X11 on OS X. There is no port that uses CoreGraphics. And that's going to be a major problem with regards to the OSX community accepting Mono/GTK# apps in IMHO. The Mac favouring Mono hackers would be doing us a great favour if they could commit some resources to a 'native' OSX GTK port. The current ports are pretty stalled. GTK-OSX is nearly there but is only GTK 1.2, GTK-Quartz didn't get very far at all. The problem is that porting GTK needs some experienced GTK / X11 hackers to help out. People who know exactly what events should be fired and when. Dave ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: XSP on Mac is broken, was mod_mono on Mac + searching the list
Yes, there is a bug open (soon re-open AFAIU) about this. Erik On Jul 24, 2004, at 4:30 PM, Abe Gillespie wrote: Ok, I found the issue in an older post: http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-list/2004-July/022060.html OT - BTW, is this considered top-posting. If so, why is it bad etiquette? If not, what is? Sorry, just trying to be a good netizen. Thanks for all the help as always. Eagerly looking forward to ASP.NET on my Mac. -Abe On Jul 24, 2004, at 3:53 PM, Abe Gillespie wrote: Does XSP also not work on MacOS X? ... I'm getting this when I hit a page served by XSP: Adding applications '/mono:/mono'... Registering application: Host: any Port: any Virtual path: /mono/ Physical path: /mono Listening on port: 8080 Listening on address: 127.0.0.1 Root directory: /Users/abe/Sites Hit Return to stop the server. ** ERROR **: file exceptions-ppc.c: line 930 (ves_icall_get_trace): assertion failed: (ji != NULL) aborting... ./startxsp: line 1: 3757 Abort trap mono /usr/local/bin/xsp.exe --root /Users/abe/Sites --applications /mono:/mono --address 127.0.0.1 * Things are ok up to this point, Then I try to access a page and ... ** ERROR **: file exceptions-ppc.c: line 930 (ves_icall_get_trace): assertion failed: (ji != NULL) aborting... ./startxsp: line 1: 3285 Abort trap mono /usr/local/bin/xsp.exe --root /Users/abe/Sites/mono --applications /mono:/mono --address 127.0.0.1 Thanks. -Abe On Jul 22, 2004, at 6:47 PM, Erik Dasque wrote: mod_mono doesn't work on MacOS X right now (http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60766 and others), I believe. On Jul 22, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Abe Gillespie wrote: Hey guys, Well, I finally broke down and bought Panther and Mono finally compiles and installs! However, I can't get mod_mono to work. I keep getting Service Temporarily Unavailable I think this has been addressed before. How does one go about searching the list archives? I think someone described a way you can do it in Google. Thanks for the help. -Abe ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MONODOC , MONODevelop
MonoDoc and MonoDevelop do not run on Windows AFAIK for GTK+ on Windows lack Gnome functionality (only GTK, not Gnome APIs), GTK-sourceview and GTKHTML. Erik On Jul 23, 2004, at 10:40 AM, Rohit K Gupta wrote: x-tad-smallerHi there,/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smalleri have installed the mono and gtk# package for windows/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerit is fine/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallernow i want to know that is there any way to install monodoc and monodevelop on windows with or without cygwin/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerif yes then please let me know/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerthanks/x-tad-smaller
Re: [Mono-list] mod_mono on Mac + searching the list
mod_mono doesn't work on MacOS X right now (http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60766 and others), I believe. On Jul 22, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Abe Gillespie wrote: Hey guys, Well, I finally broke down and bought Panther and Mono finally compiles and installs! However, I can't get mod_mono to work. I keep getting Service Temporarily Unavailable I think this has been addressed before. How does one go about searching the list archives? I think someone described a way you can do it in Google. Thanks for the help. -Abe ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] about mono on MacOSX
No, ikvm and monodevelop are not included in the MacOS X package. See http://www.mono-project.com/using/macos.html for details. Erik On Jul 18, 2004, at 10:12 AM, Jim wrote: can someone tell me ,which components are included in mono MacOSX distribute? is ikvm and monodevelop are been included ? regard thanks Jim ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: Installing mod_mono on redhat
Well, now we've established that XSP is not the problem but mod_mono is. What is your apache version ? Your startup issue was: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [/usr/local/apache/conf]# service httpd configtest Syntax error on line 219 of /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libmod_mono.so into server: /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libmod_mono.so: undefined symbol: ap_hook_post_config You installed mod_mono 1.0 from RPM, right ? (I am emailing the mono-list so that others can help) Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] XSP Versus mod_mono
As I understand it, XSP is quite self contained as it doesn't need an HTTP server as it provides that functionality too. However fronting XSP with Apache (and such using mod_mono as the bridge) gives you all the power and control (and better HTTP performance) of a renown http server. XSP is great for development, Apache+mod_mono+XSP is great for deployment (though great for dev also). It's not really one versus the other, Apache/mod_mono uses XSP anyway. Erik On Jul 14, 2004, at 7:53 AM, Tizio Incognito wrote: I fellows, as I said in object I'm trying to understand pros and cons of using XSP instead of mod_mono. -- T.I. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Installation of Mono
Rohit, as you can see at the bottom of http://www.mono-project.com/contributing/asp-net.html , mod_mono does not currently work on Microsoft Windows. As for GTK# on Windows, you can find a combined Mono/GTK# installer at http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?prj2make-sharp (Francisco 'Paco' Martinez's work). What distribution do you use on Linux (Suse, RedHat, Fedora Core 1, Fedora Core 2, Debian, Mandrake, ...) ? Erik On Jul 15, 2004, at 4:02 AM, Rohit K Gupta wrote: Hi there, I am learning mono and its installation I have installed mono on windows and able to compile run the programs using mcs and mono now where i am facing problem is installing gtk# on windows runing mod_mono on windows for asp.net installing mono runtime and framework on linux installing gtk# on linux insatlling mod_mono on linux i anybody has gone through any/all of these installations then please step by step procedure is highly needed as for a beginner Thanks and Regards Rohit ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: Installing mod_mono on redhat
Humm, that's strange. Were you able to run the samples file on XSP (no Apache, no mod_mono) ? Erik On Jul 15, 2004, at 2:45 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik, First of all, thanks for the help. Ok, this morning I installed the Mono Runtime, and XSF Web Server successfully. I also installed mono again, and I am still getting the same error, which is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [/usr/local/apache/conf]# service httpd configtest Syntax error on line 219 of /usr/local/apache/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libmod_mono.so into server: /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libmod_mono.so: undefined symbol: ap_hook_post_config As for the location of libmod_mono.so, you can see the results here: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [/home/draven/mod_mono-1.0]# apxs -q LIBEXECDIR /usr/lib/httpd/modules So it would appear as if though line 219 in httpd.conf is pointing to the right path\file. Thanks a bunch, Kevin Original Message: - From: Erik Dasque [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:14:38 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Installing mod_mono on redhat Kevin, you will need to install the mono runtime as well as XSP, I am afraid. What was the installation difficulty you experienced ? The mono runtime is needed for all things mono. The XSP runtime is the ASP.NET engine itself, mod_mono being just a bridge to XSP for Apache. As for the httpd restart issue you experienced, that line is very much necessary. Please locate your libmod_mono.so (you can use the locate command if you have it or apxs -q LIBEXECDIR or apxs2 -q LIBEXECDIR) and adjust the path. Erik On Jul 15, 2004, at 12:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to install mod_mono on my redhad webserver, and it is proving to be quite difficult. The server is remote, which does not have a graphical interface installed on it, and I am connected to it via ssh, though I have full access to it via ftp and http. What I am trying to do, specifically, is to have .aspx pages which are on the server, display correctly. I don't need a compiler or any other bells and whistles. For this setup, are the mono runtime and XSF packages required? How about GLib2.0 and pkg_config? Are there any other files that are required that I'm not mentioning? As of right now, downloaded mod_mono-1.0.tar and decompressed, and installed it. After doing this, I try and service httpd restart and I get an error on line 219: LoadModule mono_module /usr/lib/httpd/modules/libmod_mono.so When I comment this line out, httpd.conf works fine and the service restarts normally again. After seeing that this was causing an error, I tried installing both the XSP web server and the mono runtime, and wasn't successfull with either of them as well. If I don't need to install the XSP Web Server or the Mono RunTime to accomplish my goal, then I'd rather not. Any help you have to offer me is greatly appreciated. Thanks a bunch, Kevin Humfreville [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] OT: A good java book
Thinking in Java by Bruce Eckel (sp?) or Java in a Nutshell at O'Reilly Erik On Jul 14, 2004, at 2:56 PM, Jonel Rienton wrote: hi guys, i'm not sure if any of you guys are java developer as well, and if you are, i just like to know which book you guys recommend if you're starting on learning the java language. thanks much for your time. Jonel ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] still trying to get it to work
What you want to do Mark is add the mono channel, not point it at a directory. Does RedCarpet list any channels for your distro (I hope it sees it as Suse, not JDS). Erik On Jul 9, 2004, at 7:35 AM, Mark Molenda wrote: Ok I am still trying to get all of the pieces functioning, I downloaded red-carpet for the suse installation ( I'm running SUN Java Desktop 2 ) and got everything started per Novell instructions pointed red-carpet at the directory that had all of the unzipped rpm's from the full suse distribution of mono. and when I run red-carpet it fails on a winlib dependency even though I have a working version of wine ( latest rpm version ). I checked my system and yes it is there. I even tried to compile winelib from the tar source in case there was a version problem and it bombed saying it can't find a windef.h file during the configure stage. So red-carpet was a total failure. Here is what I get when I run an rpm -iv *rpm on the directory containing all of the rpm files (including wine-20040615-SuSELinux80.i386.rpm ) error: failed dependencies: cairo = 0.1.22 is needed by mono-cairo-0.96-1.ximian.0.2 winelib = 0.2 is needed by mono-winforms-0.96-1.ximian.0.2 Since all cairo files should be in the directory ( I pulled the full zip ) what's going on here? Any help would be appreciated. Also if any of the developers of mono can tell me if any stock Linux distribution have all of the necessary non-mono rpm's or libraries already loaded it would be appreciated. I'm ready to pony up the money to get this to work. -- ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] mod_mono doesn't monitor file changes on Novell shares
My guess is that the file watchers don't work on network shares ? Erik On Jul 9, 2004, at 8:39 AM, Andrew Arnott wrote: Greetings, mod-mono-server.exe is quite the awesome replacement for IIS. Well done. I do have an issue now with its caching. The ASPX files for the web sites reside on a remote server accessible via a Novell share, which we access from Linux via ncpmount. The pages come up just fine, except when changes are made to the file. On a local Linux partition, mod-mono-server flushes the cache for a file when it has changed recently. On a Novell share, Mono fails to monitor file changes and as a result continues caching the page anyway, so changes to the file only show up after restarting mod-mono-server. IIS fails to host ASP.NET web sites at all off of Novell shares because IIS failed to start monitoring file changes on... at any aspx file access. Maybe Novell shares do not allow monitoring of file changes. But can't we do a date/time stamp comparison on the files with each page access to detect changes? I think I'll write a formal bugzilla report on this, unless there already is one. But what can be done about this? - Andrew ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mac OS X...
Brian, you'll need to let us know a little more. Did you install the Mono 1.0 MacOS X image ? On what version of MacOS X ? What IDE did you try to install ? MonoDevelop ? Did you work down the dependency tree for MD yet ? GTK#, Gecko#, GTK+, gtk-sourceview... Erik On Jul 8, 2004, at 12:27 AM, Brian OBrien wrote: What is the status on this project... I've tried the mcs compiler and got a PC exectuable.. I wasn't able do compile the development ide... __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] executable on MAC OS X?
Someone actually built a launcher for .exe (.NET assembly format) files on MacOS X. I think it's called Mono Starter and discussion about it can be found in the archive of this list. Erik On Jul 8, 2004, at 10:15 PM, Darren Martz wrote: I think there was a discussion about having a more OS native headers structure but some it became obvious very quickly that it was not possible with portability and compatibility in mind. It does make me wonder if an OS specific utility could be developed to convert an exe-file to a native OSX app type IF the developer wants it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 4:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Mono-list] executable on MAC OS X? I just compiled helloworld.cs on my MAC OS X machine and to my surprise I ended up with a .exe file... Not quite what I was expecting... How do I get a mac executable? Or am I supposed to use the netmodule... If so how... Am I suppose to start a server to do this? Hi Brian, The .exe file is the executable file format across all platforms that implement the .NET runtime, even for the Mac / PPC, so you've ended up with the correct type of file there. To run it at the command line on OS X you can simply type: mono helloworld.exe. Like java programs the executable you've made could be transferred from the Mac to a Linux PC for example, and it will still execute, and vice versa. Regards, -- Scott ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] gtk# apps don't run
How did you install Mono ? Yum ? Look at your /etc/mono/config for an entry about that dll and let us know what it looks like. Erik On Jul 6, 2004, at 11:37 AM, Igor Anikeev wrote: Hi, I have a clean install on Fedora Core 2 from mono-project.org, nevertheless I get things like Unhandled Exception: System.DllNotFoundException: libgtk-win32-2.0-0.dll in 0x00053 (wrapper managed-to-native) Gtk.Application:gtk_init (int,intptr)in 0x00038 Gtk.Application:Init () in 0x00019 GladeSamples.GladeTest:.ctor (string[]) in 0x00020 GladeSamples.GladeTest:Main (string[]) Is is repairable? -- Best regards, Igor Anikeev jabber://[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #312483023 ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] GTK# Runtime for Windows installer now available
Hi all, The GTK# Runtime for Windows installer now available and its Novell Forge project public : http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfmod/project/?gtk-sharp An installer that will setup you windows box to run GTK# based libraries under .NET. This project will install the GTK# libraries into your windows global assembly folder and the dependent glue .dlls and GTK+ .dlls into your windows system folder The goal of this installer is to deliver on the Gtk# promises of cross-platformness by giving application developers an easily installable GTK+/GTK# runtime for Microsoft .NET on Windows. This is not targeted at Mono but Microsoft .NET. Cory will be updating the packages soon (the current version is based on GTK# .97) to use the GTK# 1.0 source. We'd love any feedback on this installer. Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] The website(s)
Simon, we're updating mono-project.com. go-mono.com is eventually going away. What are you mainly concerned about ? We'll be updating it with 1.0 downloads very soon. Erik On Jun 29, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Simon Ask Ulsnes wrote: Hi, When are someone going to update go-mono.com and more urgently mono-project.com? - Simon ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] gtk# app installer
Again, there will soon be a windows installer for GTK/GTK# bound to MS .NET. Erik On Jun 28, 2004, at 6:53 AM, Davy Brion wrote: On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:23:03 -0400, Erik Dasque [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, do you need Mono there, on Windows ? You can just rely on .NET. As for GTK/GTK#, we have an installer coming very soon for Windows. I have an application which uses GTK# and i'd like to release a windows version of it which uses on MS .NET and GTK# for windows. What kind of steps would be necessary to get gtk# running on windows? Would it be enough to create a Visual Studio .NET Project, and add GTK# as a reference after it's been installed through your installer, in order to create an easy to use windows installer for my project? Or would each user have to install gtk# seperately before installing my project? As you can probably imagine, these questions will probably come up frequently once GTK# 1.0 is released, so it might be a good idea if we provide some kind of document on how to get our Mono/GTK# applications installed and working on Windows with MS .NET (or Mono) and GTK# ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] gtk# app installer
Well, do you need Mono there, on Windows ? You can just rely on .NET. As for GTK/GTK#, we have an installer coming very soon for Windows. Erik On Jun 27, 2004, at 2:34 PM, Tomasz Soroka wrote: Hi! I did app in gtk# and now I would write installer for windows. I would like have all needed things in one installer. - mono - gtk# libs - gtk+ libs It should installs all in one place, and should be very easy - user shouldn't know what technology was used. Can You give me any advices how to do that? best Tomek ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] Re: [MonoDevelop] monodevelop 0.4 doesn't run on mac os x with mono 0.98
Same result. I don't think it's a X11 display issue but some file / mapping it can't read or find, hard to tell. Erik On Jun 23, 2004, at 5:07 PM, Herr Witten wrote: Try running it from the /build/bin directory with: export DISPLAY=:0 mono MonoDevelop.exe On 23 Jun 2004, at 0:46, Attila Balogh wrote: hello, compilation goes all right, but at running, after the splash screen: p3l3ctra:/Volumes/archives/devel/monodevelop_svn/MonoDevelop/build/ bin root# mono MonoDevelop.exe Loading error, please reinstall : System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object in 0x000b8 System.Xml.XmlDocument:Load (string) in (unmanaged) MonoDevelop.Core.Services.ServiceManager:get_Services () in 0x00558 MonoDevelop.SharpDevelopMain:Main (string[]) it's the same with 0.4 and a fresh svn build as well. any ideas? regards; Attila ___ Monodevelop-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodevelop-list ___ Monodevelop-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/monodevelop-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] C# mode for emacs?
Yes, you will find some emacs modes at : http://www.mono-project.com/using/monodevelop.html Erik On Jun 19, 2004, at 1:47 PM, Mark Fonnemann wrote: Hello- is there a way to make emacs implement a C# mode? (i know there exists such modes for C, C++, fortran, etc.) i'm new to Mono and i'm trying to use emacs to write code but it's kinda of annoying as is without a C# mode. any help to rectify this situation would be greatly appreciated... mark. :-) __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: C# plugin for eclipse
Well, I think that developers are unlikely to drop the development tool they like to use another one even if it's arguably better. MonoDevelop is shaping up to be a great tool and we like it very much. However, we have to make sure that we look beyond MD and provide support to other IDEs and that includes Eclipse. Erik On Jun 17, 2004, at 5:11 AM, Gregory Bowyer wrote: Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hello, I don't know whether we want to limit intellisense to only working if Eclipse is running inside IKVM, though. A bridge to the CLR from a generic JVM using only JNI but providing the same capabilities as IKVM, compatibly, would be the holy grail ;) However you could run a process (read mono application) that the C# plugin would communicate with and that would tell it what completions are. This application could be built using some of the engine work in MD (a GUI less MD engine). Exactly, you would have to design an RPC mechanism and run the code out-of-proc. (With regard to your main point, I don't think that anyone would dispute that getting the basic, minimum features working is a higher priority than the advanced flashy ones, but the question originally asked sounded a lot like what features do you want?. It's unsurprising that the answers focused on advanced features. I want it to *work* is kind of implied...) Well, I wanted to make sure those requirements were clear (C# 1.0, platforms, eclipse version and mono/mcs integration. Once we get that working, the community is likely to pick it up and improve it (debugger, form designer, automatic ice cream machine) Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Isnt the focus on getting monodevelop and sharpdevelop ported and working with as many configurations as possible ? ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] beta 3 for FC2
We're working on them. Erik On Jun 17, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Michael wrote: Hi, I may have missed it, but when is beta 3 for Fedora Core 2 due to hit? TTFN Paul Ah, what the heck... I'll bump the question since nobody answered and I too patiently await FC2 packages. -Michael ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] C# plugin for eclipse
Well, Andrew, hold on. Let's hold our horses. (Aurelien, I am the person who talked to Stève about the plugin) Before auto-complete (which needs deep integration with Mono), refactoring and any kind of designer, there are basic requirements we can ignore and have to prioritize IMHO. 1) Work with Eclipse 3.x (which right now means 3.0RC2) 2) Do syntax coloring for C# 1.0 (ECMA #334) and possibly 2.0 (including generics and anonymous methods) 3) Compile using mcs (Mono C# compiler), integrate compiler errors, run applications with mono 4) Work on Linux/MacOS/Windows I think that's the basic features we need. After that, we can think of different wizards to create C# classes, include pr2make and different project imports, iKVM integration. intellisense/autocompletion is of course big but requires some introspection into the project and mono assemblies which is tougher to do with Eclipse that it is with monodevelop (which runs within a mono vm) and 1-4 should be done before it is attempted. Aurelien I can work with you if you need clarification on any of this. What do we think ? Erik Dasque Product Manager for Mono, Ximian. Office: (+1) 617 613 2009 Cell:(+1) 617 953 9104 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jun 16, 2004, at 9:13 AM, Andrew Arnott wrote: Thank you for working on this! I don't know if the C# plugin already implements these, but for me, the most needed features in a C# development tool are, in this order, 1 being most important. 1) auto complete (auto fill, intelligent statement completion, whatever) 2) class view (a tree structure of my classes and methods) 3) refactoring 4) web/windows form designer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 1:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Mono-list] C# plugin for eclipse Hello, I'm working on an upgrade of the Improve C# plugin for eclipse to make it work with eclipse 3.0 and mono 1.0. The plugin will be release under the CPL license http://www.eclipse.org/legal/cpl-v10.html What are most the most needed features?? Aurélien ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] C# plugin for eclipse
If you run Eclipse inside IKVM it could load mcs.exe as an assembly and call into it directly to do the C# parsing. (ie, it *could* run within a Mono VM). I don't know whether we want to limit intellisense to only working if Eclipse is running inside IKVM, though. A bridge to the CLR from a generic JVM using only JNI but providing the same capabilities as IKVM, compatibly, would be the holy grail ;) However you could run a process (read mono application) that the C# plugin would communicate with and that would tell it what completions are. This application could be built using some of the engine work in MD (a GUI less MD engine). (With regard to your main point, I don't think that anyone would dispute that getting the basic, minimum features working is a higher priority than the advanced flashy ones, but the question originally asked sounded a lot like what features do you want?. It's unsurprising that the answers focused on advanced features. I want it to *work* is kind of implied...) Well, I wanted to make sure those requirements were clear (C# 1.0, platforms, eclipse version and mono/mcs integration. Once we get that working, the community is likely to pick it up and improve it (debugger, form designer, automatic ice cream machine) Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Contributions
Hi Umer, than you for your enthousiasm. We are in great need of help when it comes to 'monkeyguide' and 'monodoc' (general tutorial and doc, API doc, respectively). Any help there would be very much appreciated. Please communicate in the mono-doc list with us. Erik On Jun 15, 2004, at 1:35 AM, °l][l° Úmè® °l][l° wrote: Dear Go-Mono Team, I am really impressed with your project. I am a VB.NET C# Developer. I am ready to provide my services for the Go-Mono Project. I can help in things like making samples, writing documentation and forum maintatinance. I am really willing to be part of Go-Mono. Best Regards, Umer ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] make bootstrap
Hi all, has anyone documented 'make bootstrap', what it does and what it replaces ? (for the new web site) Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] new web site
We'll add those. Thank you. On Jun 15, 2004, at 9:34 PM, Fabian wrote: I miss some link to other mono-related sites, like http://monohispano.org mono poland http://www.go-mono.pl/ , mono brasil http://monobrasil.softwarelivre.org/ and some others. maybe it is somehere, but i didn't find it, and searching for monohispano in the search engine returned 0 results!. Thanks! ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] New web site up
I agree but today the site is composed of : - static pages (served from apache) - static pages generated from mono applications (monologue, news, all rss) - no dymamic pages yet. When we start building some dynamic pages (web forms or others), we will certainly build then using ASP.NET. Mono is installed on that machine (mod_mono and xsp). Erik On Jun 12, 2004, at 10:24 PM, Dan wrote: I completely agree, gotta eat your own food, so to speak. Also, there should be mono logos that can be placed on websites that are running mono. -Dan Maltes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph Hill Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 1:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mono-list] New web site up I know this was said in jest, but having the Mono site running on Mono seems like a fairly important objective to me... Message: 12 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mono-list] New web site up Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 20:37:16 +0200 :O no ASP.NET? You have to demonstrate your own technology! Surely you have a C# based content management system behind the site ;) Further than that, really kewl site! (And a really nice color for Contributing to Mono!, the entire streets here currently have that color, because we are going to win the European Championship soccer title :) ) I believe the most important thing for now is that users quickly can find the information they need, which was a bitch at the old site. Greetz, -- Rob. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
[Mono-list] New web site up
Hi all, As some of you may know, we're moving to a new site (the old one will be phased out eventually) and to new content and design. We'd love feedback on it before we push it out officially : http://www.mono-project.com Let us know. Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Monodevelop 0.2
You're missing gtkmozembed (now renamed gecko-sharp). I'd advise you to move to Beta 1 (we have RPMs for Fedora Core 1 or you can use yum or even better Red Carpet). You'll find most what you need there. Erik On May 26, 2004, at 10:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've Mono 0.31 on Linux Red Hat Fedora Core 1. I try to install MonoDevelop 0.2, but when I lunch ./configure, I obtain this: # [EMAIL PROTECTED] monodevelop-0.2]# ./configure --prefix='/usr' . . checking for mozilla-gtkmozembed = 1.2... Package mozilla-gtkmozembed was not found in the pkg-config search path. Perhaps you should add the directory containing `mozilla-gtkmozembed.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable No package 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' found Configuration summary * Installation prefix = /usr * GNOME prefix = /usr * Gtk# 0.18: yes * gnomevfs 2.0: yes * gtkmozembed 1.2: no * gtksourceview 0.7: yes * gtksourceview-sharp 0.1: yes * mono 0.31: yes * monodoc 0.12: yes * mono-debugger 0.6: yes NOTE: if any of the above say 'no' you may install the corresponding development packages for them, and rerun autogen.sh. If you are sure the proper libraries are installed, use PKG_CONFIG_PATH to point to their .pc file What can I do? Thanks, Valentina. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mono/MS Stacks
Michal, for Beta 1, we've split Mono into many different packages so you can pick and chose what you install. While a patent review is in progress, some have expressed concerned about the patent issues that could be associated with ADO.NET/ASP.NET/SWF. For those, they're free to only install ECMA stuff (core, ...) and Mono stack items. Erik On May 14, 2004, at 4:26 AM, Micha Ziemski wrote: Hi! I have noticed in the relase notes for Beta1 that contents are spli into two: - Mono Stack - Microsoft .NET Compatible Stack What are the differences between those two? Are there any legal restrains on using the latter? Best regards! Michal Ziemski ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Monodoc: Am I missing something
Hi Pablo, right now we've pulled out the mono handbook for a complete rewrite. You can check it out of the mono cvs, module 'monkeyguide' Erik On May 14, 2004, at 11:30 AM, Pablo Chacin wrote: Hi guys I recently jumped into the mono stuff, after seeing a presentation in the Novell's Brainshare (I work for Novell). I manage to install mono using red carpet, but I'm missing the mono handbook in monodoc. When I select the topic, I get an error with the root:/monohb url . How could I get that part of the documentation? Pablo
Re: [Mono-list] Newbie: Where to start
Corey, the monkey guide is what you need. Right now it's been taken offline for maintenance. What OS do you use ? If you use Windows, you can follow http://www.codeproject.com/csharp/hellomono.asp . I am not sure the installation part is up to date as we fixed a lot of ENV variable type issues recently. If you use Linux, what distro do you use ? Erik On May 12, 2004, at 11:08 AM, Leonard Tulipan wrote: Hi there! I've been following what you're doing for a little while now. My background: I know C and C++ but do most my stuff with php, bash and perl (all scripting) at the moment. I also found a lot of info on the go-mono website. But tutorials are not really available. My aim is to make a cross-platform app that supports Desktop-Systems and PockePC PDA. So, where do I start with this. A nice little Mono HelloWorld app would be nice. I just don't see which components I need. OK, there is a GPL IDE ( http://www.icsharpcode.net/opensource/sd/ ) and mono has a lot of binaries to offer. But then, what do I need to get the apps running? I want the demo to work on Linux and my PDA Sorry if I seem a bit ignorant but because there is so much documentation on on go-mono I donot see the wood for the trees, if you know what I mean. A 1-2-3 starter kit would be great. Cheers Leonard ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] 1.0 Release and Developing in VS.net (VB)
1.0 includes a preview of a VB.NET compiler and runtime. In Mono 1.2 (Q4/2004) we'll support it fully. Erik On May 10, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Bryan Andrews wrote: Will the 1.0 release support DLL's built with VB in VS.net? If so will there be any support or documentation on how to do this with the release? I assume this would mean no client side script blocks in VB.net... Thanks for clarification. ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] version and release question
Yes we moved everything to .91 to mark Beta 1 for 1.0 Erik On May 5, 2004, at 2:01 PM, felipe maya wrote: x-tad-smaller1) Mono is released to 0.91 from 0.31? /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller 2) GTK# is released to 0.91 from 0.18? /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller 3) ByteFX sourceforge repository has released 0.76, now 0.91? /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller 4) Mono ByteFX is the same that mysqlnet? /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller THANKS/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerConsigue tu correo GRATIS en /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerManizales.com/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller,/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller dale vida a tus mensajes con más de 300 motivos gráficos./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Busca el portal de tu ciudad en /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerhttp://66.216.122.105/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list/x-tad-smaller
Re: [Mono-list] PalmOS
I don't believe PalmOS has a GTK implementation, does it ? Also, Mono hasn't been ported to the Palm OS. Erik On Apr 27, 2004, at 9:33 PM, felipe maya wrote: x-tad-smallerSomthing know if mono-gtk programs run on PalmOS for palm, handspring, sony clie, etc. /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller THANKS/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerConsigue tu correo GRATIS en /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerManizales.com/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller,/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller dale vida a tus mensajes con más de 300 motivos gráficos./x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller Busca el portal de tu ciudad en /x-tad-smallerx-tad-smallerhttp://66.216.122.105/x-tad-smallerx-tad-smaller ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list/x-tad-smaller
Re: [Mono-list] I give up / Mac OS X PPC support
Hi all, Developing and delivering software like Mono is not an easy task and a complex engineering project. We're committed to delivering Mono 1.0 in June and supporting the Linux x86, MacOS X platforms, have no doubt about that. As you know we also intend to provide support for Solaris and Linux PPC. We're also committed to delivering GTK# 1.0 in this release and SWF by the end of the year. We are privileged to observe the evolution of Mono on a daily basis. In my previous job, building from the source was something you didn't want to do unless you had to, builds were often broken and unreliable. A good build, one QA could work on, was a rare commodity. Most of us build Mono from CVS everyday with its share of frustration and disillusions but all in all, it often works. My main machine is a Powerbook running MacOS X but I also run Linux PPC, Linux x86 and Windows XP ; I have to because like Miguel, our Ximian engineers and all the good people contributing to Mono, I want to make sure we deliver on our promises. And because I mainly use MacOS X, I harass Miguel everyday about bugs I find. Mono on PPC has been frustrating in the last few weeks but I run 0.31 with some success. Recently, Miguel asked Martin to help out on PPC ; with his involvement in addition to Paolo's and Miguel's, I am confident we'll be successful. x-tad-smallerErik Dasque Product Manager for Mono, Ximian. Office: (+1) 617 613 2009 Cell:(+1) 617 953 9104 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/x-tad-smaller On Apr 9, 2004, at 1:07 AM, Steve Mentzer wrote: Sadly, I must agree. The mono team have made excellent progress on bringing PPC into the JIT era but. On a whim, I decided to install fedora core 1 and build mono. It built and installed without incident. Truly remarkable. I must say that I was impressed. XSP kept crashing, but that is a different story... On x86 hardware, I prefer windows xp/2003. Sorry, I love *nix, but linux doesn't do much for me on x86, especially when x86/windows offers 100% compatibility and killer dev tools. Frankly, there is no real reason to host asp.net apps under apache, when my XP box does better after locking it down. No religion here folks, just reality. OS/X and PPC is a different story. This is a situation that is DYING for an x86 crossover platform. Don't talk to me about Java if I wanted java, I wouldn't be using mono or c#. C++/wxWindows/Qt/GTK/etc... yawn. Once again, I want c#. Mono on the PPC is painful. There is no *documented*, stable or official GUI toolkit support. Hell, even the core runtime is about as stable as IIS 4. :) Beyond that, the mono releases are hit and miss. You have about a 75% chance of the build failing or getting the dreaded 'bus error'. I appreciate the new features and the roadmap, but if all mono has to offer is x86/linux stability, then mono has only succeeded in doing is providing a 'free' implementation of the .net runtime that runs on the same commodity hardware that a fully supported and commercial version runs on. Mono cannot win if it sticks to the 'linux vs. windows' card. Linux hacks hate MS and C# and .NET. Corporate windows users will be reluctant to adopt linux/mono when they can get a fully supported, commercial version from MS that will run on the same hardware. Believe it or not, most windows shops adopting .NET don't care about OS licensing costs or security. They are interested in RAD. So mono is a little like selling ice cubes to the eskimos. Now, if mono ran reliably on HPUX, sparc, linux, os/x, windows, *bsd and some other *nix variants, then you would have succeeded in beating MS at their own game. The only argument against .net now is that it isn't cross platform. If mono fills that niche, then the sky is the limit. No offense to the mono team, but you should either drop support for PPC entirely or actually concentrate on getting it as stable as x86/linux. Sorry for the long rant guys... its been a long day... :) Original Message --- my problem with gtk# personally is that mac os x is not supported. although you can find people who hacked it together, if you co it from cvs, and install it, the samples don't work. i don't have a linux box, only a mac, and i would love to play with mono on it, but it's been two months now, and i don't feel any closer. there are also problems with xsp, and sometimes mono doesn't compile either (i mean cvs version). regards, Grudgingly, I have to agree with above statement(s). Mono support for Mac OS X/ PPC is fragile at best. I even tried to put together a page on the basic steps ( http://homepage.mac.com/griffincaprio/mono/RunningMonoOnMacOSX.html ), but I have all but given up trying to maintain that page. This is because mono not reliable from day to day, release to release, on the PPC / Mac OS X platform. I am not saying that running off the CVS tree is the most stable way to work, but this goes for the releases also. 0.29 worked on the PPC, 0.30 didn't without some major
Re: [Mono-docs-list] Proposed changes to monkeyguide Chapters 1 and 2
Yes, I agree. We will put those on the new web site. Erik On Apr 5, 2004, at 6:43 PM, Martin Willemoes Hansen wrote: tir, 2004-04-06 kl. 00:25 skrev Aaron Weber: the appendices. Also, Appendix C (Presentations) should be merged into Appendix D, Additional Resources. Id rather see the presentations as a seperate appendix, cause it is so big. Maybe move it to www.go-mono.com would be a good idea? -- Martin Willemoes Hansen E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website mwh.sysrq.dk IRC MWH, freenode.net ___ Mono-docs-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list ___ Mono-docs-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-docs-list
Re: [Mono-list] Mac OS X and Windows.Forms
Yes, our Windows.Forms implementation relies on Wine. I believe that's the only way to run Windows .NET applications who go around the .NET API and p/Invoke a whole lot of win32 APIs. One could have a 'native' implementation but it would not run very many Windows .NET applications. I had heard of Wine efforts on MacOS though, I think. Erik On Mar 19, 2004, at 9:00 AM, Lee Malatesta wrote: Do I read the release notes for 0.31 correctly that Wine (and not just winelib) must be installed for Windows.Forms to work? If so, this would preclude from Windows.Forms working on Mac OS as Wine doesn't run on OS X, no? ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Running Mono on Mac OS X Write up
On Mar 4, 2004, at 9:33 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote: On Mar 4, 2004, at 1:13 PM, Erik Dasque wrote: 1) Do you want to submit that for inclusion in the mono documentation ? We could use a MacOS HOWTO. Sure. Does a MacOS HOWTO exist yet? Not as such, I don't believe. Should we start one up? I have no problem maintaining one. Yes, I believe we need one. As for the GC, instead of the internal one, I think we should recommend : --with-gc=boehm after installing boehm gc6.3alpha4 . (making progress with GTK# on MacOS today) Erik
Re: [Mono-list] Running Mono on Mac OS X Write up
Hi Griffin, very interesting write-up. I have a few questions : 1) Do you want to submit that for inclusion in the mono documentation ? We could use a MacOS HOWTO. 2) You chose not to include the boehm gc. I think we need that on MacOS X. 3) Have you tried to build GTK# on MacOS ? I am having problems getting bonobo-activation2 to build and it's a dependency of gnomeui which is a dependency of GTK# (for some stuff) ? 4) Would it be best for most people to get Mono from the Daily Snapshot (irregular) or the release instead of the anon CVS 5) What's your success in using the JIT on MacOS especially for large compilation (so mcs on mono, not mint). Just wondering. Erik On Mar 3, 2004, at 11:51 PM, Griffin Caprio wrote: Hello all, I have recently built and installed Mono on my powerbook, running Mac OS X 10.3. Since there is no real help out there for users of the Mac, I have written up the steps required in order to build Mono. Below is the link. http://homepage.mac.com/griffincaprio/mono/RunningMonoOnMacOSX.html Hope that this will help others. I will keep updating the page with any new information, or add anything that I forgot. Ciao, Griffin Caprio ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Running Mono on Mac OS X Write up
1) Do you want to submit that for inclusion in the mono documentation ? We could use a MacOS HOWTO. Sure. Does a MacOS HOWTO exist yet? Not as such, I don't believe. Haven't tried yet. Most of my work deals in the core ( mono mac ), but I will look into it. Yes, getting bonobo-activation2 to intall from Fink is the hold up for me right now. 5) What's your success in using the JIT on MacOS especially for large compilation (so mcs on mono, not mint). Well, I was trying to compile my OSS project, DotNetMock, on mono, BUT i was running into trouble trying to compile NAnt first. That is how I figured out the missing GC stuff. I will say, that my DotNetMock project is fairly large, and it should be interesting to see how it performs. Were you successful in geting NAnt to compile ? What is DotNetMock ? Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] GTK#
Hi Elfred, what specific problems are you running into ? One thing you are probably having troubles with is a PPC bug which prevents the ppc JIT to work well. You're likely to be more successful if you change the Makefiles and use mint (the interpreter) instead of mono (the JIT) for now. The bug has been fixed and the patch is in the next release. Also, Mono on PPC doesn't handle exceptions yet (which will be fixed later). Mono on MacOS X is no ready for prime time yet but it's nicely coming along. I got GTK# 0.16 to compile and run on MacOS X. Erik On Feb 28, 2004, at 4:29 PM, Elfred Pagán wrote: Hello, I'm not sure if this would be the right place to post this but, does anyone have instructions on building GTK# on OS X? I'm running Mono 30.2 . Any help would be great, thanks Elfred Pagán ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MacOS packages.
What about GTK# ? Is that Mono built with ICU, Andy ? What are you doing with XCode ? Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MacOS packages.
Andy, The xcode stuff sounds great. Are you packaging 0.30.2 or a cvs build ? I don't believe the ppc fix is in the releases yet. I have found that many applications crash (Bus error) without it thus far (including a lot of GTK# apps). Do you use the interpreter only ? Also, I believe ICU is needed to run monodevelop, wink, wink. Erik On Feb 25, 2004, at 11:27 AM, Andy Satori wrote: At this point, I'm packaging GTK#, XSP and MOD_MONO as seperate packages. On the ICU (and GC) front, I currently build without either, but once I get all the foundation in place, I'll add them. With XCode, I currently have a C# language filter defined so that XCode can parse the functions and color C# files. I also have a Makefile based project template for building a C# application in XCode. I'm now working on enhancing that to be a part of the XCode native build system, instead of the old Project Builder, jam based, build system. This will improve the error parsing and display, as well as allow you to use the much more powerful Info panels in XCode to set up your build environments. After that, it is my intent to build a library of templates for XCode to setup your basic projects, much like VS.NET. Hopefully by that time, Apple will have updated XCode to make it easier to integrate external debuggers into XCode, and I'll be able to add that. Andy On Feb 25, 2004, at 10:54 AM, Erik Dasque wrote: What about GTK# ? Is that Mono built with ICU, Andy ? What are you doing with XCode ? Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] MacOS packages - GTK#.
I replaced all references to mono to point to mint in the makefiles. If you're using 0.30.x, you probably don't have the ppc fix and mcs.exe (running with mono, the JIT) as well as other .exe processes (gapi comes to mind) will die. Erik On Feb 25, 2004, at 11:54 AM, Elfred Pagán wrote: This is a little offtopic, but since you mention GTK# I tried to compile GTK# early this week and the compilation through an exception and since mcs doesn't support exception handling yet, the process crashed. Are you doing anything special to compile GTK#? On Feb 25, 2004, at 12:27 PM, Andy Satori wrote: At this point, I'm packaging GTK#, XSP and MOD_MONO as seperate packages. On the ICU (and GC) front, I currently build without either, but once I get all the foundation in place, I'll add them. With XCode, I currently have a C# language filter defined so that XCode can parse the functions and color C# files. I also have a Makefile based project template for building a C# application in XCode. I'm now working on enhancing that to be a part of the XCode native build system, instead of the old Project Builder, jam based, build system. This will improve the error parsing and display, as well as allow you to use the much more powerful Info panels in XCode to set up your build environments. After that, it is my intent to build a library of templates for XCode to setup your basic projects, much like VS.NET. Hopefully by that time, Apple will have updated XCode to make it easier to integrate external debuggers into XCode, and I'll be able to add that. Andy On Feb 25, 2004, at 10:54 AM, Erik Dasque wrote: What about GTK# ? Is that Mono built with ICU, Andy ? What are you doing with XCode ? Erik ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list Elfred Pagán ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Re: [Ikvm-developers] IKVM on Mono on OS/X
Did you try using mint instead of mono to run this ? 0.30.x on PPC has a bug which appears very quickly when you use mono (the JIT) and less frequently with the interpreter. Erik On Feb 25, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 11:12:22 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Ikvm-developers] IKVM on Mono on OS/X I know this is a bit on the experimental side but I just grabbed the latest mono 0.30.1 and ikvm. I tried to run Hello.class (the function should be obvious) and I get a bus error (-v -v -v output attached). I can run the same code written in C#. Any suggestions, thoughts, comments? (Sorry for the cross post but I bet its about equally PPC mono it related as IKVM) Thanks, -- Andrew C. Oliver http://www.superlinksoftware.com/poi.jsp Custom enhancements and Commercial Implementation for Jakarta POI http://jakarta.apache.org/poi For Java and Excel, Got POI? The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. foo2 ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
Re: [Mono-list] Compiling with GC support in Mac OS X
This is your best bet so far. I have had luck with these instructions. http://lists.ximian.com/archives/public/mono-devel-list/2004-January/ 003752.html Erik On Feb 13, 2004, at 11:03 PM, Jonel wrote: Hi, how do i enable GC when compiling mono from source? thanks, JOnel ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list ___ Mono-list maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.ximian.com/mailman/listinfo/mono-list
