Re: PGP signing (newbie)
24-Mar-02 at 22:37, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Your name just sounds so feminine. We seem to get a lot of that here, don't we? ;) I don't know that I can let you get away with that. Said in the correct accent - in fact, one of German, Switzerdutch, and most Scandinavian accents, Jussi sounds reasonably masculine to me. In and English accent (particularly Canadian/American) it /may/ sound feminine... but you should never assume that just because in your phonetics, a name sounds feminine, that it is. Indeed, never assume at all that you can guess, because some names which are only female in English may be unisex in other countries, or unisex with slight spelling variations. Shit I hate political correctness, but I adore linguistic debate. Sometimes the two collide and I have a little rant. Apologies to the sensitive. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 54.35%] v-- John Lennon Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
Re: Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network?
25-Mar-02 at 02:00, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : seriously - mutt sends email. that's it. if your users don't read their emails right away then they won't notice your message at all. It doesn't even do that. Mutt reads mail (but it's better to use a helper app to get it) and then passes replies composed in an Editor (which is probably not mutt) to a local SMTP agent which then delivers mail, most likely via another server acting as an SMTP gateway. What Mutt really does is provide a user interface for a number of configurable tasks, which generally include moving and reading mail, but rarely truly sending mail. Mutt could be described as a highly configurable user interface with built in functions to help with reading, indexing, sorting and generally organising e-mail on a console. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 54.36%] v-- John Lennon Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
OT:on feminine and masculine names
Let's mark this thread properly so at least it's easy to filter out... Said this, my two drops of gasoline on the fire: Jussi =~ Giusi, same pronounce here in Italy, where is short for Giuseppina (feminine only), but, OTOH Andrea = masculine only in Italy, feminine in Germany (I and the guys had a real shock when one of us, heterosexual to the bone, came back from Germany announcing his engagement with Andrea..) Add to this the fact that online nothing prevents a hairy construction crew worker to sign himself as Sweet Linda, or a 36DDD chick as Hercules the moustached biker, if that's how they feel inside, and we would all be much better off by just being careful... OK, now that I've done my weekly ratio of kicking political correctness, back to work, and of course don't take me too seriously Ciao, Marco Fioretti (heck, Marco (masculine) =~ Margot (feminine) all right, I'll stop..) 24-Mar-02 at 22:37, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Your name just sounds so feminine. We seem to get a lot of that here, don't we? ;) I don't know that I can let you get away with that. Said in the correct accent - in fact, one of German, Switzerdutch, and most Scandinavian accents, Jussi sounds reasonably masculine to me. In and English accent (particularly Canadian/American) it /may/ sound feminine... but you should never assume that just because in your phonetics, a name sounds feminine, that it is. Indeed, never assume at all that you can guess, because some names which are only female in English may be unisex in other countries, or unisex with slight spelling variations. Shit I hate political correctness, but I adore linguistic debate. Sometimes the two collide and I have a little rant. Apologies to the sensitive. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt/Linux. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS: 54.35%] v-- John Lennon Sometimes we sit and read other people's interpretations of our lyrics and think, 'Hey, that's pretty good.' If we liked it, we would keep our mouths shut and just accept the credit as if it was what we meant all along.
[OT] Names (Was: Re: PGP signing (newbie))
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 09:10:11AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In and English accent (particularly Canadian/American) it /may/ sound feminine... but you should never assume that just because in your phonetics, a name sounds feminine, that it is. Indeed, never assume at all that you can guess, because some names which are only female in English may be unisex in other countries, or unisex with slight spelling variations. An example: In English/French, Michele (pronounced Mee-Shell) is a female name, whereas in Italian, Michele (pronounced Mick-Ay-Lee) is a male name. -- David Smith| Tel: +44 (0)1454 462380Home: +44 (0)1454 616963 STMicroelectronics | Fax: +44 (0)1454 617910 Mobile: +44 (0)7932 642724 1000 Aztec West| TINA: 065 2380 Almondsbury| Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BRISTOL, BS32 4SQ | Home Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
* Jussi Ekholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-24 21:09:42 +0200]: Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alas! Jussi Ekholm spake thus: But yeah - what is so bad in PGP signed mails in mailing lists? There is nothing wrong -- the people who say it is wrong are simply heretics. Oh, you _didn't_ want to start a flamewar? Oops... ;) LOL! Well, maybe we can have just a nice and friendly /discussion/ instead of a /flamewar/? ;-) Ah well, I've decided not to use signed mails in mailing lists if there isn't any reason for me to do it. What matters, is, that PGP works with my Mutt - whole other thing is, if I use it... ;-) Well, here's my two cents for you to add to the stuff you're reading up on. I encrypt every message I can (which isn't many yet, *sigh*), sign all private mail except to the really militant dissenters (i.e. users of a particular version of Eudora that actually locks up trying to read the message...), and sign all list mail. I sign/encrypt all private mail because it just makes sense. But anyway, this thread is about (not) signing public/list mail. My own reasons for signing all list mail are thus: 1) It increases awareness of cryptography as a mainstream utility. Sometimes people ask me about it, maybe others silently look it up on the web or consult their local nerd resource. :) This is kinda a minor reason though. 2) The main reason I sign all list email is an attempt to _somewhat_ (please note the super-sized emphasis on somewhat as it becomes important later) counter the problem of signature authentication for untrusted keys. Let's pause a minute for a definition: Authentication by trust is defined as the level of trust a given key is assigned, based on the actual signatures that have been applied to the key by people who are assumed to have been acting in good faith and verified the identity of the key owner at the time of signing. Now let me just explicitly say that what I'm about to describe is _not_ (there's that super-sized emphasis again) a substitute for actual signatures on a key. This is just a suggestion for a second-best procedure... By signing all public mail, I am creating a far-flung paper trail on the web and in people's mailboxes of all my signed email. What this means is, that if someone gets a message that's signed by a key with my name on it but has no sigs that they themselves trust, they can consult something like Google and find its archive of 2.3 to the power of spork messages that are signed by my public key. They can then say, OK, whoever signed this message also signed all those other messages. A careful examination of a cross-section of those messages may give them some clue, maybe through speech patterns etc, that the person from all those messages is the same one who sent the email they now have in their inbox. Again, it's not a substitute for actual web-of-trust sigs, but it does at least a little good in a pinch. Just the fact that there are a zillion things out there with my sig lends it credence; after all, it would take a lot of motivation for someone to bother creating a fake key and then manually composing all those messages over the course of time just to fake someone out. Oh, and of course I also sign just to keep Rob from forging my email. :) -- still haven't fixed the sig rotation script. msg26045/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
Hi, On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:09:41:PM -0700 Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Care to give some examples? if [ muttversion != 1.5.0 ]; then source ~/.mutt/setup/nntp fi But you're right, this one may be done with a bash script. But - to me - it looks ugly havin a good mail client and some sort of bash around only to configure it. It would look nicer to have everything in one place. Rocco msg26046/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: different hooks for Email/Usenet - nntp patch vs BCC?
Hi, On Sat, Mar 23, 2002 at 12:09:40:PM -0500 Andre Berger wrote: * Sven Guckes [EMAIL PROTECTED], 2002-03-22 20:31 -0500: well, does this BCC header get posted, too? if not then I don't a problem.. *shrug* Indirectly: To: undisclosed recipients ; is generated, but no mail is sent. Who does insert it? This is just a thought but in Mutt and in Vsevolod's nntp patch one may specify programs for delivery of mail/news. A short wrapper (maybe Perl) for both could strip of the 'Newsgroups'-header and deliver to sendmail and strip of the 'To:', 'Cc:' and 'Bcc:'-header to deliver to inews. Rocco msg26047/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
Hi, On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:50:29:PM +0100 Sven Guckes wrote: * Rocco Rutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-22 01:40]: At least connditionals are absolutely missing in mutt's config file functionality. .. and also missing with setup files for elm, pine, outlook, ... All mail clients suck. This one ... Btw: which mailers *have* a setup language? ok - emacs. any else? Not that I know, but it is quite dangerous to talk about Outlook in the context of mail clients. Anyway I solved my problem the more harder way by making the vvv.nntp patch work with 1.5.0. The problem was that I had no chance to find out the version of Mutt sourcing the ~/.muttrc to not have an alias for mutt either setting the version or calling Mutt a different config file. When I log in I export some other stuff so that all the stuff I would do with conditionals is now done by 'source ~/.mutt/scripts/config.sh|'. That means I use bash to handle the conditional facilities. Say, it works. Looks ugly but it works without too much overhead. Rocco msg26048/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network?
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 12:16:52:AM -0600 David DeSimone wrote: J. Effendi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I use mutt to replace this kind of notification messages to all users easily? Where can I get more information about it? Others have answered your first question, but I have a suggestion. You may wish to install and make use of the Samba package for this purpose. I noticed that the smbclient program (that comes as part of Samba) has this option in its help screen: -M host send a winpopup message to the host So it sounds like this program, with some clever scripting, could be used to send pop-up messages to all the users you'd like to notify. It works only if the host you want to send a message to is running and has the required service enabled (don't know the name right now). Also 'smblient -M ...' doesn't know any delivery status. Messages are always being sent with sucess. Rocco msg26049/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alas! Jussi Ekholm spake thus: And to point out -- 'sed s/her/his/g'. ;-) You're a guy? Oooops! Sorry. Your name just sounds so feminine. Hehe, no problem. :-) And I could take the lower line as a compliment, I guess. But yeah, this is going way too OT and I admit; I should've taken this off the list already, but I'll let it go this once -- to point out my sex!! *grin* We seem to get a lot of that here, don't we? ;) Oh, lots of similar incidents taking place? ;-) -- Jussi Ekholm | A Elbereth Gilthoniel, silivren penna míriel [EMAIL PROTECTED]| o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel ekh @ IRCNet | o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos le linnathon http://ekhowl.goa-head.org | nef aear, sí nef aearon msg26050/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
Rocco Rutte ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) muttered: Hi, On Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 02:09:41:PM -0700 Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Care to give some examples? if [ muttversion != 1.5.0 ]; then source ~/.mutt/setup/nntp fi Quoting the fine manual section 3.0: In addition, mutt supports version specific configuration files that are parsed instead of the default files as explained above. For instance, if your system has a Muttrc-0.88 file in the system configuration directory, and you are running version 0.88 of mutt, this file will be sourced instead of the Muttrc file. So you need a Muttrc-1.5.0 file where you nntp setup is not sourced. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
Re: Mail is not reaching destination
Quoting Jerry Van Brimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 23, 2002 16:39]: When I do: # date | sendmail -v [EMAIL PROTECTED] #(ispwest.com is another isp of mine) Here's what I get: (lines removed) Possibly two things wrong: 1. Is sendmail set up to allow messages to go to/from root? 2. I can't find an address for jerryvb.vei.net, although that might just be my setup. (darren) -- There is not enough love in the world to squander it on anything by human beings.
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
Hi Rob! On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: Care to give some examples? folder-hook =folder 'push T~r1m\n' if [ ~T ]; then 'push \;s=archiv\n' fi -- [ markus hubig ] [ mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ debian/gnu linux (sid) ] [ vorholzstrasse 6 ] [ saft: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ linux 2.4.17 i686 ] [ 76131 karlsruhe ] [ tele: +049 721 6657522 ] [ reg. Linux user #204961 ] msg26053/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Encrypting my outgoing messages to myself for fcc
Hi Robert! On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Robert Conde wrote: When I send a pgp encrypted message to someone, I can't read it in my fcc folder. I set the fcc_clear variable so that the FCC is stored unencrypted. I read in some FAQ that it's possible to configure Mutt to use GnuPG's '--encrypt-to' option to additionally encrypt all encrypted mail to you so that encrypted mail in your 'sent' folder can be decrypted by you. Does anyone know how to go about doing this? Im doing this by simply setting the encrypt-to Option in my ~~/.gnupg/option file to my KeyID. -- [ markus hubig ] [ mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ debian/gnu linux (sid) ] [ vorholzstrasse 6 ] [ saft: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ linux 2.4.17 i686 ] [ 76131 karlsruhe ] [ tele: +049 721 6657522 ] [ reg. Linux user #204961 ] msg26054/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
Rob, et al -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: % % Or list all of the obnoxious ones, and then set up procmail to strip % them out; that will work as a general solution in case somebody else % uses Incredimail. % % Hey, that's a good idea. But how do I strip headers in procmail? Rather than using procmail, which will *gasp* change the mail as it comes in, just have mutt ignore those headers that you don't want to see and update your list as you see new ones. To wit: ignore from received content- mime-version status x-status message-id ignore sender references return-path lines ignore x-priority x-ms list-id precedence x-mailman x-mime x-beenthere ignore x-exp x-wm x-webmail errors-to ignore x-authentication mail-followup-to in-reply-to organization ignore mailing-list x-originating x-egroups list-unsubscribe # egroups buffalos ignore x-no-archive list-help list-subscribe list-post# SHLOL ignore x-ml-name x-mlserver x-mail-count x-ml-info# tlinux-users ignore x-antiabuse# good grief... ignore x-legal-notice x-disclaimer x-no-spam # ken wahl loves these... unignore from: subject to cc date x-mailer x-url delivered-to HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26055/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: message-hooks - more examples
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! Sven Guckes spake thus: % Sven [mmh.. ye... deeper.. oh, yeah..] % % You sure that's a massage you're getting? ;) No, it's a m-e-ssage, but it's from one of those lists ;-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26056/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
Shawn, et al -- ...and then Shawn McMahon said... % ... % from me in lots of fora, all signed, then you may consider my identity % established enough for your purposes, and choose to local-sign my key, and ... % If you do that, make sure you local-sign, not sign for export. The latter % would be a big no-no. The gpg and pgp documention goes into these subjects % in depth, IIRC. We even had that whole discussion here a while back. Rob, when was that? *grin* :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26057/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: startup commands
On Mar 24, Russell Hoover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any way of telling mutt to execute an interactive command (e.g. collapse-all) in .muttrc short of using push? Sure. There is exec, which is used with named commands, not in key-stroke macros. For example: folder-hook !!execcollapse-all
push in muttrc
Hi all! The last line of my ~/.mutt/muttrc is push !/home/martin/bin/getmail\nchange-folder \n which should start a script fetching mails from my ISPs but does not work. :( In Mutt itself push works fine: :push !/home/martin/bin/getmail\nchange-folder \n is OK. So is there a way to enable push in muttrc? (obviously there should..) Btw., it's Mutt 1.3.28i With many thanks in advance, Martin
Re: push in muttrc
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 17:13:48 +0100, Martin Hammer wrote: So is there a way to enable push in muttrc? I have push V in my .muttrc and it works. -- Vincent Lefèvre [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Web: http://www.vinc17.org/ - 100% validated (X)HTML - Acorn Risc PC, Yellow Pig 17, Championnat International des Jeux Mathématiques et Logiques, TETRHEX, etc. Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / SPACES project at LORIA
Re: push in muttrc
Hi Martin! On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Martin Hammer wrote: The last line of my ~/.mutt/muttrc is push !/home/martin/bin/getmail\nchange-folder \n which should start a script fetching mails from my ISPs but does not work. :( In Mutt itself push works fine: Hmm, I put | push !/home/markus/bin/test.sh\n change-folder\n in the last line of my muttrc and it works like a charm ... I'm running Mutt 1.3.27i (2002-01-22). -- [ markus hubig ] [ mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ debian/gnu linux (sid) ] [ vorholzstrasse 6 ] [ saft: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ] [ linux 2.4.17 i686 ] [ 76131 karlsruhe ] [ tele: +049 721 6657522 ] [ reg. Linux user #204961 ] msg26061/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
begin quoting what Rocco Rutte said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:12:41AM +0100: Not that I know, but it is quite dangerous to talk about Outlook in the context of mail clients. Oh, it is a mail client, it's just not an Internet mail client. At the very least, it doesn't read RFC1521-compliant mails as recommended in the standard. That's why I gave up trying to accommodate people who run it. The standard has been there for 8.5 years now, they can catch up or stop bitching. msg26062/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: push in muttrc
On 25.Mar 2002, Markus Hubig wrote: Hmm, I put | push !/home/markus/bin/test.sh\n change-folder\n in the last line of my muttrc and it works like a charm ... I'm running Mutt 1.3.27i (2002-01-22). So it is possible that it works on my machine too.. :-) I've found out that push works in muttrc if my mailspoolfile /var/mail/martin is _not_ empty on startup. Mutt prints Sorting mailbox... while executig the script. But if there is no mail in the mailspool then push is not executed. Maybe it is executed but it finds itself anywhere where ! (or V as in the other mail) is not bound. As my mailspool is usually empty before getting new mails this is not a very effective solution for getting new mails. ;-| lg, Martin
setting content type in email header with mutt
I need help. Is there an option in mutt (muttrc) to set the content type to multipart/alternative? Situation is: We want to send out email that is html, but for those who only accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able to open the email also. Any help would be appreciated. Donna
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
25-Mar-02 at 11:39, Donna Koenig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : I need help. Is there an option in mutt (muttrc) to set the content type to multipart/alternative? Situation is: We want to send out email that is html, but for those who only accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able to open the email also. I don't think mutt handles this, because it does not pretend to send email in html format anyway. Purists among us (myself included) might tell you to send all your email in plain text anyway. I generally am much more likely to read email in plain text only. With commandline mutt you can probably hack something along the lines of multipart/alternative, with an html and a plain text attachment, but you will have to compose HTML mail outside of mutt anyway. Maybe there is a patch for this, but the stock mutt probably doesn't support it. Mutt can be configured as to how to handle multipart/alternative email though, see the manual (search for alternative_order) and you will find info on alternative_order precedence. -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:55.00% see www.mersenne.org] /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: push in muttrc - automize vs interactive
* Martin Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 16:14]:
The last line of my ~/.mutt/muttrc is
push !/home/martin/bin/getmail\nchange-folder \n
which should start a script fetching mails
from my ISPs but does not work. :(
I suggest to *not* do such things at startup in mutt -
you might regret it later, eg when you just want to
take a look at a folder but *not* download any mails.
Either use the builtin fetch-mail command ('G')
or bind 'G' to start the external fetchmail.
issue when necessary. that's best.
Sven
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
* Donna Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 18:38]: We want to send out email that is html, but for those who only accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able to open the email also. Is there an option in mutt (muttrc) to set the content type to multipart/alternative? That's DOG ABUSE! We should tell the RSPCA! Seriously - use a M$ mailer for such things. Sven [added value with text in HTML? not!] -- Sven [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mutt-versions] Latest versions: MUTT http://www.mutt.org/ news:comp.mail.mutt mutt-1.2.5 [000729] MUTT http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/ mutt-1.3.28 [020313] MUTT MUTT - *the* mailer for UNIX with color, threading, IMAP+MIME+PGP+POP
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
--DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Simon White spake thus: 24-Mar-02 at 22:37, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Your name just sounds so feminine. We seem to get a lot of that here, don't we? ;) =20 I don't know that I can let you get away with that. Said in the correct a= ccent - in fact, one of German, Switzerdutch, and most Scandinavian accents, Ju= ssi sounds reasonably masculine to me. Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) (that we get a lot of it here comment was a reference to the time I assumed Rene Clerc was female, too. D'oh! ;) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Myxie I know. Unless htere is a cookie monster somewhere between us tat m= uches the amil. Myxie amil/mail Myxie muches/munches tat/that htere/there HippieGuy heheh HippieGuy problems? :) * Myxie needs an ircii addon that pipes teh command line through ispell :) -- Seen on #Debian --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n3sYPTh2iSBKeccRAqECAJ9Q2EobXLbgJu/bJBtG4wGpZc1VZQCfXry+ AaMnURJpXhWYw5njvzRhzQw= =jTjk -END PGP SIGNATURE- --DiL7RhKs8rK9YGuF--
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
25-Mar-02 at 20:14, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : * Donna Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 18:38]: We want to send out email that is html, but for those who only accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able to open the email also. Is there an option in mutt (muttrc) to set the content type to multipart/alternative? That's DOG ABUSE! We should tell the RSPCA! Seriously - use a M$ mailer for such things. Now, I was waiting for someone to be less around-the-houses about it than me, and it /had/ to be Sven ;-) -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:55.06% see www.mersenne.org] /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign \ /Respect for open standards X No HTML/RTF in email / \No M$ Word docs in email
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
--SNIs70sCzqvszXB4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! John Buttery spake thus: Oh, and of course I also sign just to keep Rob from forging my email. :) Rats! Foiled again! :) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- First love is only a little foolishness and a lot of curiosity, no really self-respecting woman would take advantage of it. -- George Bernard Shaw, John Bull's Other Island --SNIs70sCzqvszXB4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n3xjPTh2iSBKeccRAkSrAJ0VSLf35CbGh3XWcgKxqZn6L98RYgCeNooW /JdpMYa8gF/bJYH92islQv4= =vPXG -END PGP SIGNATURE- --SNIs70sCzqvszXB4--
Re: Bug Report Guide - additions?
* Jeremy Blosser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-20 03:23]: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/bugrep.html Additions? Corrections? Feedback welcome! The last sentence of the top section is: The report then gets sent to debian.org and there enters the First, this is incomplete. oops! Second, it is wrong as far as it goes. flea(1) doesn't send anything to debian.org. SUBMIT=[EMAIL PROTECTED] DEBIAN_SUBMIT=[EMAIL PROTECTED] hmm... isn't DEBIAN_SUBMIT used at all? Also, it's not that useful to suggest people send bugs to mutt-users, since most people that frequest this list aren't developers. mutt -v requests bug reports go to mutt-dev, and that's where they should go. well, considering the amount of data this generates mutt-dev isn't the place to take in such huge mails, either. In any case, people really should just use flea if they want to get a tracked resolution/not fall through the cracks. ok - I'll just tell everybody to report bugs with flea then. thanks for your feedback, Jeremy! attached is the current version. further additions welcome! :-) Sven MUTT Bug Report Guide Latest change: Mon Mar 25 20:28:25 MET 2002 Did you see a bug with MUTT? Then please report it! MUTT now ships with a script for reporting bugs - flea. This will ask you these things: * enter a one-line description of the problem * describe the severity of the problem (0: feature request; 1: special; 2: unstable; 3: dangerous; 4: critical). * add info from coredump? (optional) * include personal setup file or system setup file? [both optional] * enter more text (flea will then call the $EDITOR) * Submit, Edit, View, Quit? [S|e|v|q] The report then gets sent to the bug tracking system automatically. Reporting on the Mailing List and Usenet Newsgroups However, many people are not familiar with the Debian bugtracking system and maybe you feel more at ease with mailing lists and newsgroups. So, how do you write a report for those? First off, DON'T PANIC! DON'T send a report to the list unprepared. THINK about it. Sit down and relax, drink a tea or coffee. Try to remember what you typed that caused the problem. Take the time to analyze the problem - and take notes. Is this a kind of problem you would encounter with your daily use with mutt? Or is it a quite esoteric one? Were there any error messages? Or is the problem with making a mutt binary in the ifirst place? You should have some notes now - and now you are ready to write the report. Start your favourite editor now. Please include some basic info! Most people use mutt on Unixish systems - but there is a mutt for win32, too. So the first thing you need to mention is some system info (including info such as uname -a). [It pays off to keep such info ready in some text file.] Do so even when you *know* that the bug is system independent. Then include the following info, too: Version number: Whenever reporting a bug please include the version number! Please note that it is not always clear whether the version you used to send the report is also the version that the report applies to. Menu name and command name: Most bugs appear after using a command from a command menu. So please include information about menu name and command name as well! NOTE: Some menus share commands of the same name, that's why giving the menu name can be essential. In any case, the info makes it easier to check bugs. Furthermore, giving the key that invokes the command is not helpful either as MUTT allows arbitrary key binding. ;-) So, PLEASE, give this info at the beginning of a bug report: Bug report header example version: 0.48 menu: main-menu command: previous-undeleted config: set edit_hdrs Setup and compilation info: Sometimes it is necessary to give info on setting of your setup file and even the output of mutt -v. Please send these things as attachments! Patches: If you can spot the error in the source and if you can even produce a patch then do send it!! It is much appreciated. Again, patches should be attached, too. NOTE: Ed-like diffs are too difficult to apply as they don't retain the file name. Please send context or unified diffs only! Thanks! diff -u or diff -c Remember: Bug reports are very welcome - but they should contain info for the developers, too. Many problems have to do with terminals and utilities. So you should give info about the environment you are using mutt in. * Are you logging in on the console of the computer? * Are you using mutt on a local terminal (aterm, eterm, rxvt, xterm)? * Are you logging in to the computer using some terminal program? (using telnet or ssh? Much about the mutt binary is answered by mutt -v: $ mutt -v Mutt 1.3.27i (2002-01-22) Copyright (C) 1996-2001 Michael R. Elkins and others.
Re: Search pattern: fail to enter mbyte characters
* Charles Jie [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-18 15:03]: Is it possible to let mutt accept muilt-byte (eg. Traditional Chinese) charaters while entering search pattern? mutt strips the 8th bit. I can not find the setting to tell it not to. I don't think that mutt has any support for multi-byte characters/patterns yet. sorry! then again, there's a mailing list for the Japanese version of mutt. Maybe they have some patches there? Sven
OT: canada sucks. [was Re: PGP signing (newbie)]
* thus spaketh Rob 'Feztaa' Park (Mar 25 at 12:31PM): I don't know that I can let you get away with that. Said in the correct accent - in fact, one of German, Switzerdutch, and most Scandinavian accents, Jussi sounds reasonably masculine to me. Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) but does canada _really_ count? nah. go play with an elk :P -- timothy lupfer http://sadlittleboy.com
Re: change from header
* Eduardo Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-20 02:55]: another question: is it possible that if i run mutt with -f option, the folder-hooks don't work? could be. start a new thread, ok? Sven
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--2FkSFaIQeDFoAt0B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! David T-G spake thus: Rather than using procmail, which will *gasp* change the mail as it comes in, just have mutt ignore those headers that you don't want to see and update your list as you see new ones. To wit: =20 ignore from received content- mime-version status x-status message-id ignore sender references return-path lines ignore x-priority x-ms list-id precedence x-mailman x-mime x-beenthere ignore x-exp x-wm x-webmail errors-to ignore x-authentication mail-followup-to in-reply-to organization ignore mailing-list x-originating x-egroups list-unsubscribe# egroups = buffalos ignore x-no-archive list-help list-subscribe list-post # SHLOL ignore x-ml-name x-mlserver x-mail-count x-ml-info # tlinux-users ignore x-antiabuse # good grief... ignore x-legal-notice x-disclaimer x-no-spam# ken wahl loves these... unignore from: subject to cc date x-mailer x-url delivered-to Oh yuck! You don't honestly believe that that mess is a better solution than a 3-line procmail recepie, do you? Besides, those ignore commands you posted don't include the 30 or so obnoxious incredimail headers. Besides, I'm only doing it to Incredimail users. I mean, if they want to accost me with tons of useless X- headers, I shouldn't have to put up with them (the headers, not the people) :P --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- BOFH excuse #133: It's not plugged in. --2FkSFaIQeDFoAt0B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n34aPTh2iSBKeccRAr12AJ0RR0Mb6uP1qHhtDLoSLGU9rJPRHQCfapGB UHypQJXQtw0fLTbrlmlucc0= =gs5Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- --2FkSFaIQeDFoAt0B--
Re: picking on Rob (was Re: PGP signing (newbie))
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly % female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) You've never heard of Jesse Ventura or Jesse James, just for starters? Sure, they're both American, but one is quite colorful in US History ... and one was an Old West gunfighter ;-) % % (that we get a lot of it here comment was a reference to the time I % assumed Rene Clerc was female, too. D'oh! ;) Yeah. It must be pick-on-Rob day. Goodie! :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26077/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % Rather than using procmail, which will *gasp* change the mail as it comes % in, just have mutt ignore those headers that you don't want to see and % update your list as you see new ones. To wit: ... % % Oh yuck! You don't honestly believe that that mess is a better solution % than a 3-line procmail recepie, do you? Sure I do... It doesn't change the original mail message and it reminds me of what I've tossed for when I later want to go back and look at it again. % % Besides, those ignore commands you posted don't include the 30 or so % obnoxious incredimail headers. Well, add one or two incredimail lines, then :-) % % Besides, I'm only doing it to Incredimail users. I mean, if they want to % accost me with tons of useless X- headers, I shouldn't have to put up with % them (the headers, not the people) :P Oh, I think you shouldn't have to put up with the users, either! % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % BOFH excuse #133: % It's not plugged in. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26078/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 12:18:11:PM -0500 Shawn McMahon wrote: begin quoting what Rocco Rutte said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 06:12:41AM +0100: Not that I know, but it is quite dangerous to talk about Outlook in the context of mail clients. Oh, it is a mail client, it's just not an Internet mail client. ;-) It seems that Outlook users get along with one another so everything works as intended. At the very least, it doesn't read RFC1521-compliant mails as recommended in the standard. Which has status informational only. That's why I gave up trying to accommodate people who run it. The standard has been there for 8.5 years now, they can catch up or stop bitching. That's quite a different topic and I have not yet an opion. Well, actually I do sort Outlook mails in a trash folder and delete it weekly, but several persons are explicitly exluded. Anyways, OffTopic here. Rocco msg26079/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: push in muttrc - automize vs interactive
On 25.Mar 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: * Martin Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 16:14]: The last line of my ~/.mutt/muttrc is push !/home/martin/bin/getmail\nchange-folder \n which should start a script fetching mails from my ISPs but does not work. :( I suggest to *not* do such things at startup in mutt - you might regret it later, eg when you just want to take a look at a folder but *not* download any mails. That _is_ an argument, especially having subscribed to some mailing lists.. lg, Martin
Re: push in muttrc
On 25.Mar 2002, Markus Hubig wrote: Oh I remember that I have an alias for mutt, so if I type in mutt it executes mutt -y! Mayby this is the difference ...?! Oh, this works fine! But why don't you create an little Script called eg. gmsm (GetMailStartMutt ;-) that executes getmail and starts mutt after? I will do this, especially with Sven Guckes' argument in mind. Thank you for help, Martin
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
begin quoting what Donna Koenig said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:39:39AM -0500: Situation is: We want to send out email that is html, but for those who only accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able to open the email also. OK, let me see if I get this right: You want to send out HTML email, and forge the headers so that it goes to people who have made a deliberate choice not to receive HTML email? Anybody who helps you do that is evil. Include a text/plain attachment; that's what the RFCs, common sense, and ethics would call for. msg26082/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: canada sucks. [was Re: PGP signing (newbie)]
Alas! tim lupfer spake thus: Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) but does canada _really_ count? nah. go play with an elk :P Oh, _that_'s mature... -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I'm glad I'm not bisexual. I couldn't stand being rejected by men as well as women. -- Bernard Manning msg26083/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
begin quoting what Rocco Rutte said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 07:58:17PM +0100: At the very least, it doesn't read RFC1521-compliant mails as recommended in the standard. Which has status informational only. Ok, first, wrong, it's standards-track, not informational. However, it *IS* the MIME standard, and they claim their emailer is a MIME emailer, so they can't get out of violating a standard by saying we support it and then it's not a standard when it's inconvenient. MIME-compliant means RFC1521-compliant, period. msg26084/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! David T-G spake thus: % Oh yuck! You don't honestly believe that that mess is a better solution % than a 3-line procmail recepie, do you? =20 Sure I do... It doesn't change the original mail message and it reminds me of what I've tossed for when I later want to go back and look at it again. Dude, that mess is almost akin to a bubble sort :P I'd rather just rip off all the useless headers with an elegant 3-line procmail recipie than have to hide them all with 10 or 20 lines of ignore statements. % Besides, I'm only doing it to Incredimail users. I mean, if they want to % accost me with tons of useless X- headers, I shouldn't have to put up w= ith % them (the headers, not the people) :P =20 Oh, I think you shouldn't have to put up with the users, either! Lol, it's just my grandmother. I don't think she'll understand the finer points of using The One True Mail User Agent ;) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Kissing don't last, cookery do. -- George Meredith --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n4ezPTh2iSBKeccRAn54AJ98xaA7zdOP5aVGLbkMHwUYodrzwwCgiHVy LjeCnKtT+fIWULk3lcSTaVE= =O2Bc -END PGP SIGNATURE- --cPi+lWm09sJ+d57q--
Re: picking on Rob (was Re: PGP signing (newbie))
Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % % Alas! David T-G spake thus: % % Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly % % female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) % % You've never heard of Jesse Ventura or Jesse James, just for starters? % % Sure, they're both American, but one is quite colorful in US History ... % and one was an Old West gunfighter ;-) % % do americans really count? :P No, we use higher-level scripting languages to count for us. % % I was referring to people that I've actually met :P Ohhh... Well, since you're way the hell out in the middle of nowhere I'd imagine that there are only about four names that you can categorically identify as masculine or feminine. That leaves a lot of ambiguity! :-) % % -- % Rob 'Feztaa' Park % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % -- % We knew from experience that the essence of communal computing, as % supplied by remote-access, time-shared machines, is not just to type % programs into a terminal instead of a keypunch, but to encourage close % communication. % -- Dennis Ritchie % :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26087/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: PGP signing (newbie)
begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 12:31:36PM -0700: Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) Jesse Owens. Jesse Ventura. Insist on the same spelling? Ok. Jessy Dixon. Canadian race car driver Jessy Cohoon. msg26088/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 11:39:39AM -0500, Donna Koenig wrote: I need help. Is there an option in mutt (muttrc) to set the content type to multipart/alternative? Situation is: We want to send out email that is html, but for those who only accept or access text email, we wnat them to be able to open the email also. Any help would be appreciated. There is no straightforward way that I know of. I'm in a similar situation where I need to periodically send to a distribution list a document written in Word and would like to send it with a text/plain version as multipart/alternative. Nothing I have done to edit the Content-Type in the header has worked--mutt always changes it back to multipart/mixed. The only solution I can think of short of a patch is to set the sendmail variable something like this: set sendmail=/home/yourlogin/bin/alt_sendmail -oem -oi where alt_sendmail is a shell script containing: #!/bin/sh sed '/^Content-Type/s/mixed/alternative/' | /usr/sbin/sendmail $@ Of course, you'll need to restore the original value of sendmail if you want to send any attachments as multipart/mixed. HTH, Gary -- Gary Johnson | Agilent Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Spokane, Washington, USA http://www.spocom.com/users/gjohnson/mutt/ |
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 12:44:26PM -0700: Besides, I'm only doing it to Incredimail users. I mean, if they want to accost me with tons of useless X- headers, I shouldn't have to put up with them (the headers, not the people) :P If you want elegant: ignore * unignore date from: reply-to to cc subject list user-agent x-mailer I mean, who really cares about all that other crapola? Most people could go the extra bit and snatch user-agent and x-mailer out of there. And you can always hit h if you wanna see the crapola. msg26090/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
Shawn, et al -- ...and then Shawn McMahon said... % % If you want elegant: % % ignore * % unignore date from: reply-to to cc subject list user-agent x-mailer % % I mean, who really cares about all that other crapola? Well, yeah. If you want to go that far, ... % % Most people could go the extra bit and snatch user-agent and x-mailer % out of there. ... and reply-to, since mutt knows that for you, and list, since you've no doubt already sorted the message, and probably to and cc since you know you got it and you don't typically care who else got it, and subject since that's still visible in your $pager_index_lines of index display, and probably date as well for the same reason. Now *that* is elegant. % % And you can always hit h if you wanna see the crapola. Agreed. Who needs such clutter on a daily basis? :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg26091/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 01:25:23PM -0700: I'd rather just rip off all the useless headers with an elegant 3-line procmail recipie than have to hide them all with 10 or 20 lines of ignore statements. You can have it both ways; use Procmail to prepend X-Nuke at the beginning of all the bad lines, then ignore X-Nuke. Then you can always see them if you want to. msg26092/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: I mean, who really cares about all that other crapola? A lot of people on this list and others have creative X- headers that I enjoy reading. It's just as much a part of the email as the body of the message is. --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If your mother knew what you're doing, she'd probably hang her head and cry. --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n5BZPTh2iSBKeccRAsRfAJ4kp2S/pwnd7XCTl+m9v+grT4Rk3wCeM1Qt ni8ORqB7acSZKa8DzBwSEFw= =kI3O -END PGP SIGNATURE- --CNfT9TXqV7nd4cfk--
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--MFZs98Tklfu0WsCO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: You can have it both ways; use Procmail to prepend X-Nuke at the beginning of all the bad lines, then ignore X-Nuke. That brings us back to the first problem though: How do I ignore X-Nuke without ignoring the other X- headers? (without using the huge mess david posted). I know I'd be breaking some RFC, but if I prepended just 'Nuke' then it would get hidden, and the real X- headers that I want would be displayed. It's still easier to just rip the headers right out. --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This life is a test. It is only a test. Had this been an actual life, you would have received further instructions as to what to do and where to go. --MFZs98Tklfu0WsCO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n5EpPTh2iSBKeccRAodpAJ9tRH7c79Gb4UtUS4nGGXSyCL+duwCdFcjk 728GRsClk+eqp2bE1x/l03Y= =wx9m -END PGP SIGNATURE- --MFZs98Tklfu0WsCO--
Re: OT: canada sucks
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 20:13]: Alas! tim lupfer spake thus: Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) but does canada _really_ count? nah. go play with an elk :P Oh, _that_'s mature... my sister was bitten by a moose once Sven -- are we off topic yet?
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:05:45PM -0700: That brings us back to the first problem though: How do I ignore X-Nuke without ignoring the other X- headers? (without using the huge mess david posted). ignore received x-nuke msg26096/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: massage-hook vs message-hook
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 15:04]: Rob -- ...and then Feztaa said... % Alas! Sven Guckes spake thus: % Sven [mmh.. ye... deeper.. oh, yeah..] % You sure that's a massage you're getting? ;) No, it's a m-e-ssage, but it's from one of those lists ;-) just ask David - he should know. (hey, David, have you stopped posting to the XXX list?) Sven [what's wrong with them just pick one people lately?] -- mutt.patch.massage.gimmegimmegimme.20020325
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
--yklP1rR72f9kjNtc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Shawn McMahon spake thus: That brings us back to the first problem though: How do I ignore X-Nuke without ignoring the other X- headers? (without using the huge mess david posted). =20 ignore received x-nuke There are other headers I want to hide though. The only headers that I _want_ to see are done with an unignore in my =2Emuttrc, immediately following an ignore *. x-nuke wouldn't work in that situation, and to prepend x-nuke to _everything_ that I want to hide is just out of the question. Too much work. What I have now with formail working against incredimail _works_, that's the point. It's exactly what I want. --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You may have heard that a dean is to faculty as a hydrant is to a dog. -- Alfred Kahn --yklP1rR72f9kjNtc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n5f4PTh2iSBKeccRAl4cAKCFNvr9YL7cnOCkefGWiml+ATqoDwCdHOb8 BrPTQadek79KRczAKIvyFIQ= =Go6Z -END PGP SIGNATURE- --yklP1rR72f9kjNtc--
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
begin quoting what Rob 'Feztaa' Park said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:34:48PM -0700: ignore received x-nuke There are other headers I want to hide though. When I said have procmail prepend all the bad headers, I meant every header you'd like to hide. The only headers that I _want_ to see are done with an unignore in my .muttrc, immediately following an ignore *. x-nuke wouldn't work in that situation, and to prepend x-nuke to _everything_ that I want to hide is just out of the question. Too much work. What work? You do it one time, procmail does it after that. What I have now with formail working against incredimail _works_, that's the point. It's exactly what I want. Well, now, this is the Open Source world, where our motto is if it ain't broke, fix it. Didn't you get the memo? :-) msg26099/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug Report Guide - additions?
On Mar 25, Sven Guckes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: * Jeremy Blosser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-20 03:23]: Second, it is wrong as far as it goes. flea(1) doesn't send anything to debian.org. SUBMIT=[EMAIL PROTECTED] DEBIAN_SUBMIT=[EMAIL PROTECTED] hmm... isn't DEBIAN_SUBMIT used at all? Oops, I forgot, flea does check to see if it thinks you are running Debian, and if so it submits a Cc to the Debian BTS. But that's only a Cc, the mutt BTS is the one at guug.de. Also, it's not that useful to suggest people send bugs to mutt-users, since most people that frequest this list aren't developers. mutt -v requests bug reports go to mutt-dev, and that's where they should go. well, considering the amount of data this generates mutt-dev isn't the place to take in such huge mails, either. mutt-dev is the place where the developers want the bugs to come so that the appropriate people see them, and if discussion needs to happen, it happens with the appropriate people around. mutt-dev. But please refrain from posting dumping your complete setup there. It's been established that it's better if they post to much info than not enough. That's why flea behaves as it does. You may not want that traffic, but that's your own choice about what kinds of lists you yourself want to monitor. Bug reports to mutt-dev are expected to be verbose. Remember that sending to the mailing list requires subscription; mails from unsubscribed addresses will go to a moderator - and I'm not whether anyone really moderates those mails... Someone moderates those mails. Usually several someones do. msg26100/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Incredimail CRLF encoding
25-Mar-02 at 12:44, Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : Besides, I'm only doing it to Incredimail users. I mean, if they want to accost me with tons of useless X- headers, I shouldn't have to put up with them (the headers, not the people) :P Well just as an aside Incredimail marketing claims Email has evolved on its website, or something equally high power marketing toss to go with the eyecandy approach to email. I also hate that it encodes CRLF in email sent as HTML (albeit multipart formatted) which shows up as CTRL-M in mutt, and I can't force people to fix plain text sending if they are already someone who is actually /pleased/ to show me this great new email client they have just installed. So, since I'm hopeless with encoding, can someone tell me if I can filter these people's mail in the pager so I don't have to keep asking them to plaintext? Clearly pre-mutt or piped I can get rid of those in the file, but is there a simple setting I can stick in muttrc? If I RTFM is it there? -- [Simon White. vim/mutt. [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIMPS:55.19% see www.mersenne.org] Not only does Jesus save, but he makes nightly off-site backups. [Arbitrary quotes signature rotation, a simple bash script by Simon White]
Re: Bug Report Guide - additions?
On Mar 25, Jeremy Blosser [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: On Mar 25, Sven Guckes [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: well, considering the amount of data this generates mutt-dev isn't the place to take in such huge mails, either. mutt-dev is the place where the developers want the bugs to come so that the appropriate people see them, and if discussion needs to happen, it happens with the appropriate people around. Oh, in case there was any confusion there: flea sends it the BTS, and the BTS sends copies of most everything it sees to mutt-dev. The sender can tell the BTS not to forward a given message, but that's the exception. msg26102/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Incredimail CRLF encoding
Alas! Simon White spake thus:
Well just as an aside Incredimail marketing claims Email has evolved on
its website, or something equally high power marketing toss to go with the
eyecandy approach to email.
Yeah, as far as I can tell all those stupid X- headers are some kind of
preferences that tell Incredimail how to display the message (sort of
like OE stationary, except that it doesn't send (as much of) the
stationary as OE does).
I also hate that it encodes CRLF in email sent as HTML (albeit
multipart formatted) which shows up as CTRL-M in mutt, and I can't
force people to fix plain text sending if they are already someone who
is actually /pleased/ to show me this great new email client they have
just installed.
Interesting. I am in a similar situation - my ISP's mail server is some
broken legacy OS that is terminating _all_ the lines on _every_ email
that passes through with CRLF's.
Fortunately, I download my mail with fetchmail, and it can be configured
to strip the cr's for you, which is a godsend for me.
So, since I'm hopeless with encoding, can someone tell me if I can filter
these people's mail in the pager so I don't have to keep asking them to
plaintext?
Well, look into fetchmail. If you can't/won't use fetchmail, use a perl
script that searches through a file and strips out all the ^M's... ;)
It would be a pretty simple script. Here's a snippet:
while (STDIN)
{
s/^M//g;
print;
}
(of course, replace ^M with the actual character).
--
Rob 'Feztaa' Park
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
As the poet said, Only God can make a tree -- probably because it's
so hard to figure out how to get the bark on.
-- Woody Allen
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Saving encrypted
I've been using mutt with pgp and gpg for years now, and would like to solve a nagging problem: when I started using it, I let it save my outgoing mail encrypted until I discovered that it was saving the outgoing message exactly --- encrypted to the recipient. Well *that's* pretty useless, as then *I* can't re-read the message, which is the point of saving it in the first place. I discovered the fcc_clear option, which saves the message unencrypted and have been living with that, but what I *really* want is to save them encrypted to *me*. I thought I'd use fcc_hook and wrote a nice little script to encrypt only the body so mailbox formats would continue to work and then discovered that fcc_hook is just a filename, not a command. Sooo, before I waste too much more time on this, I thought I'd see if anyone else has solved this problem... Thanks... -- Alan Batie __www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A\ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ razor.sourceforge.net NO SPAM! They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Ben Franklin) msg26104/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Saving encrypted
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Said Alan Batie on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:03:24PM -0800: what I *really* want is to save them encrypted to *me*. See the archives from the past week... I seem to remember it coming up. Also, a quick search gives this: http://www.mail-archive.com/mutt-users@mutt.org/msg22312.html - -- [!] Justin R. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP 0xC9C40C31 -=- http://codesorcery.net http://www.aclu.org/issues/drugpolicy/cases/Earls/more_harm.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8n6b094d6K8nEDDERAk/QAJ9sOj/o2XdOKeAz3BBEOSWfzgt2WgCfaMV3 idj/2VQr0D1Hd1ZwOnVHUcA= =UQ7f -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Saving encrypted
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 05:38:44PM -0500, Justin R. Miller wrote: what I *really* want is to save them encrypted to *me*. http://www.mail-archive.com/mutt-users@mutt.org/msg22312.html Perfect! Thanks... -- Alan Batie __www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A\ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ razor.sourceforge.net NO SPAM! They that give up essential liberty to obtain temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Ben Franklin) msg26106/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Incredimail CRLF encoding
On 15:02 25 Mar 2002, Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Well, look into fetchmail. If you can't/won't use fetchmail, use a perl
| script that searches through a file and strips out all the ^M's... ;)
|
| It would be a pretty simple script. Here's a snippet:
|
| while (STDIN)
| {
| s/^M//g;
| print;
| }
|
| (of course, replace ^M with the actual character).
tr -d '\015'
is both shorter and faster.
--
Cameron Simpson, DoD#743[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/
A good catchword can obscure analysis for fifty years.
line drawings showing threads gone with REMOTE session!?!?!?
My .muttrc is set up to sort mail by threads rather than exclusively by date. Mutt draws nice lines and indents child emails of a thread nicely. I tried to log into this PC REMOTELY and these nice features did NOT come out anymore?!!? How do I get these lines again remotely??? Thanks, Chris -- === | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax)| | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ===
Re: Saving encrypted
begin quoting what Alan Batie said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:03:24PM -0800: first place. I discovered the fcc_clear option, which saves the message unencrypted and have been living with that, but what I *really* want is to save them encrypted to *me*. Mutt doesn't do that, but PGP does. In GnuPG, you'd add the following to your ~/.gnupg/options file: encrypt-to-self PGP should have something similar. If not, it sucks. :-) Also check the archives for a conversation YESTERDAY on this very subject, where I talk about the security tradeoffs in doing this. msg26109/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: line drawings showing threads gone with REMOTE session!?!?!?
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 04:03:29PM -0800, Christian Seberino wrote: My .muttrc is set up to sort mail by threads rather than exclusively by date. Mutt draws nice lines and indents child emails of a thread nicely. I tried to log into this PC REMOTELY and these REMOTELY via what type of connection or terminal emulator? nice features did NOT come out anymore?!!? How do I get these lines again remotely??? Thanks, Chris -- === | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax)| | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || [EMAIL PROTECTED] | === -- Thomas E. Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: line drawings showing threads gone with REMOTE session!?!?!?
* Christian Seberino [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-26 00:03]: My .muttrc is set up to sort mail by threads rather than exclusively by date. Mutt draws nice lines and indents child emails of a thread nicely. I tried to log into this PC REMOTELY and these nice features did NOT come out anymore?!!? How do I get these lines again remotely??? maybe your terminal emulator sews up with the graphics set used by default. switch to ASCII characters - and all should be fine: set ascii_chars Sven -- Sven Guckes http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/mutt/setup.html Mutt setup from scratch, Sven's sample setup; attribution, limit, list vs subscribe, histories, mailcap, POP, hooks, use of external pagers, troubleshooting, adding header lines, from Mozilla to Mutt.
Re: Can I use mutt to notify a message to all PC users running MS Windows on the network? NOOOOO!
* Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 21:22]: 25-Mar-02 at 02:00, Sven Guckes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote : seriously - mutt sends email. that's it. if your users don't read their emails right away then they won't notice your message at all. It doesn't even do that. [..] What Mutt really does is provide a user interface for a number of configurable tasks, which generally include moving and reading mail, but rarely truly sending mail. come on, Simon - no need to be overly politically or technically correct here. my response was to someone posting to this list with Outlook asking a question for a window only environment, trying to send a notification via some proprietary service using an *email* message sent from mutt (or whatever mailer). do you really think they *care* about technical explanations? exactly. can you misuse mutt for that? NO! end of story. this ain't the Red fscking Cross here, right? Sven [late night ranting at 03:30am - funfun] -- Everybody uses the editor/mailer/program/OS that he deserves.
Re: Mail is not reaching destination
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:36:21 -0500 darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Jerry Van Brimmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 23, 2002 16:39]: When I do: # date | sendmail -v [EMAIL PROTECTED] #(ispwest.com is another isp of mine) Here's what I get: (lines removed) Possibly two things wrong: 1. Is sendmail set up to allow messages to go to/from root? I dont know? 2. I can't find an address for jerryvb.vei.net, although that might just be my setup. I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about here. Thanks for trying, I'm a frustrated mutt newbie. I'm giving up on mutt/sendmail. Thanks anyway, Jerry (darren) -- There is not enough love in the world to squander it on anything by human beings. -- Rev. 1:7 ; Registered Linux User #153217
mailbox question
Hi! I have a question if I can do the following with mutt. I'm subscribed to several mailing lists which are sent to 2 mail accounts. I'm using fetchmail to retrieve the mails that are then stored in /var/spool/mail/matthias. I'd like mutt to check whether a mail came from a mailing list and display only those mail at ones that belong to the same mailing list. I'd then want to switch between the list with some key command. When I end my mutt session I'd want mutt to store the read mails in seperate mail boxes, each for every mailing list I'm subscribed. Those remaining mails that don't belong to a mailing list should be moved to a general list. Is that possible with mutt and if yes how can I do this??? Then I have a question regarding address books - is there support for something alike in mutt?? thanx in advance matthias Ps.: could you please CC me answers cause I'm not on the list.
Re: OT: canada sucks
We've been able to teach Frenchmen to play ice hockey, which is more than any European has been able to do. On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Sven Guckes wrote: * Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-03-25 20:13]: Alas! tim lupfer spake thus: Well, it sounds an awful lot like Jessy to me, which is a decidedly female name in Canada. I've never heard of a man named Jessy ;) but does canada _really_ count? nah. go play with an elk :P Oh, _that_'s mature... my sister was bitten by a moose once Sven -- Kate http://www.katewerk.com
Re: Saving encrypted
On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Alan Batie wrote: snip Sooo, before I waste too much more time on this, I thought I'd see if anyone else has solved this problem... The way I got around this problem was to put encrypt-to my-keyid in my gnupg options file. That way all messages are encrypted to me and the other person(s). HTH, David -- All generalizations are false, including this one. -- Mark Twain
Re: ignore command does not seem to work
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 02:02:17:PM -0700 Rob 'Feztaa' Park wrote: A lot of people on this list and others have creative X- headers that I enjoy reading. It's just as much a part of the email as the body of the message is. As your X-Uptime header which could be - at least - at bit more specific? ;-) Rocco msg26117/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: setting content type in email header with mutt
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 12:23:06:PM -0800 Gary Johnson wrote: I'm in a similar situation where I need to periodically send to a distribution list a document written in Word and would like to send it with a text/plain version as multipart/alternative. Nothing I have done to edit the Content-Type in the header has worked--mutt always changes it back to multipart/mixed. What about preparing everything to use the '-H' switch? Especially for the case that you do it automatically and not by hand. Rocco msg26118/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Incredimail CRLF encoding
Hi,
On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 09:39:49:PM + Simon White wrote:
So, since I'm hopeless with encoding, can someone tell me if I can filter
these people's mail in the pager so I don't have to keep asking them to
plaintext?
set display_filter=~/.mutt/scripts/displayfilter
,[ displayfilter ]-
| #!/usr/bin/sed -f
| s/[!]\{2,\}/!/g
| s/[?]\{2,\}/?/g
| s/^--$/--\ /g
| s/^\ --$/--\ /g
| s/^[_]\{30,\}$/--\ /g
`-
Understandable, usefull, extensible... works and also performs.
HTH,
Rocco
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Re: mailers with scripting/setup language
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 03:14:14:PM -0500 Shawn McMahon wrote: begin quoting what Rocco Rutte said on Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 07:58:17PM +0100: At the very least, it doesn't read RFC1521-compliant mails as recommended in the standard. Which has status informational only. Ok, first, wrong, it's standards-track, not informational. ACK. Looked up '1524' which is informational. My mistake. Strange, the topic of 1524 somehow would fit into the discussion (allthough it is not as important as 1521), so I didn't think about it. Just wondering why 1524 is so important to you... However, it *IS* the MIME standard, and they claim their emailer is a MIME emailer, so they can't get out of violating a standard by saying we support it and then it's not a standard when it's inconvenient. MIME-compliant means RFC1521-compliant, period. ACK Rocco msg26120/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: threading question - sample mailbox?
David Ellement wrote: I also see this. Here's an example from this list. it also seems to happen when the parent moves out of the top of the display. 173 rDF Mar 22 To [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1.6K) Fwd: Re: spews collateral damage 174 rDL Mar 22 Dallas Bethune (1.7K) |* 175 DL Mar 23 Jeff Campbell (2.2K) |* 176 rDL Mar 25 Dallas Bethune (3.1K) `* 174 rDL Mar 22 Dallas Bethune (1.7K) |*Re: Fwd: Re: spews collateral damage 175 DL Mar 23 Jeff Campbell (2.2K) |*Re: Fwd: Re: spews collateral damage 176 rDL Mar 25 Dallas Bethune (3.1K) `*Re: Fwd: Re: spews collateral damage daniel - have you been following this thread? is there intended behavior? (see parent in the archives if you haven't been following it). -- Will Yardley input: william @ hq . newdream . net .
Re: mailbox question
Moin,
* Matthias Weiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] [02-03-25 22:26]:
I'm subscribed to several mailing lists which are sent
to 2 mail accounts. I'm using fetchmail to retrieve the
mails that are then stored in /var/spool/mail/matthias.
I'd like mutt to check whether a mail came from a mailing
list and display only those mail at ones that belong to
the same mailing list. I'd then want to switch between
the list with some key command.
When I end my mutt session I'd want mutt to store the
read mails in seperate mail boxes, each for every mailing
list I'm subscribed.
Those remaining mails that don't belong to a mailing list should be
moved to a general list.
Is that possible with mutt and if yes how can I do this???
OK, what I and some others do is we use a filter to sort incoming
mails into different mailboxes. Mutt can then see which mailboxes have
new mails an display them right away.
If you want to try that system, have a look at Maildrop, which is a
mailfilter with quite powerful features and an easy rule language.
I guess you can also build the exact same thing you describe above.
Start by writing Mutt macros to limit the mails to that of the single
lists ('limit~t [EMAIL PROTECTED]'), then write another macro
which moves the mail and which I have no idea how to do right now.
Then I have a question regarding address books - is there support
for something alike in mutt??
I heard something about that, but it may have been a patch. Did you
look for it in the manual?
At the very least, you can do LDAP queries.
Thorsten
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Intolerant people should be shot.
