Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Yes, that is the idea. When searches can be saved or favorited then people can quickly toggle the contents of the toolbar. Frequently used items should be identified so that they are available in a convenient place. Cheers, Wim From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Laurent Caron Sent: Sunday, 17 March 2019 20:34 To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Hi Wim, Interesting idea: your widget should be a kind of mix between the quick access textbox and a toolbar ? In this case, the items should be linked to the entry menu. It is what you have in mind ? Cheers, Laurent Le ven. 8 mars 2019 à 12:42, Wim Jongman mailto:wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com>> a écrit : Yes, maybe it should not be tabbed. Once you know your way around the Ribbon it is great fun but I found it very confusing in the beginning. Still if I need some obscure function it is hard for me to know where that is. I think the biggest issue with toolbars and menus is “where is that action”. Maybe we can combine a search bar with a dynamic toolbar. The toolbar is minimal when you begin but if you type “debug” it is populated with debug related actions. Same for “file”, “new”, etc.. From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> [mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>] On Behalf Of Laurent Caron Sent: Friday, 8 March 2019 11:28 To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Hi Wim, Make our own version is a good idea, but I really don't know what is covered by Microsoft patent : design of the API, concepts like "ribbon tabs", "ribbon groups", look n' feel ? If look n'feel is concerned, i do not see how can we create a "tabbed toolbar" that looks different from the ribbon ? Laurent Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 12:14, Wim Jongman mailto:wim.jong...@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hi, The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until the point their software makes enough money after which Microsoft will come knocking. Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon? Cheers, Wim On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:53 PM Laurent Caron mailto:laurent.ca...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Wayne, Thank you for your answser. Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the situation. Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal department ? Laurent [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO mailto:e...@eclipse-foundation.org>> a écrit : I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187<https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody have any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to lice...@eclipse.org<mailto:lice...@eclipse.org> to ask for help. Your request will get addressed faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal claims on the topic. Wayne On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman mailto:wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com>> wrote: Hi Laurent, That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise us. We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in a picture. Cheers, Wim [cid:image001.png@01D4DD65.08F33920] From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> [mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>] On Behalf Of Laurent Caron Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Hi Team, Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? Have a nice evening, Laurent Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron mailto:laurent.ca...@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hi Ralf, I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where puzzled, but once you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before being
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Wim, Interesting idea: your widget should be a kind of mix between the quick access textbox and a toolbar ? In this case, the items should be linked to the entry menu. It is what you have in mind ? Cheers, Laurent Le ven. 8 mars 2019 à 12:42, Wim Jongman a écrit : > Yes, maybe it should not be tabbed. Once you know your way around the > Ribbon it is great fun but I found it very confusing in the beginning. > Still if I need some obscure function it is hard for me to know where that > is. > > > > I think the biggest issue with toolbars and menus is “where is that > action”. > > > > Maybe we can combine a search bar with a dynamic toolbar. The toolbar is > minimal when you begin but if you type “debug” it is populated with debug > related actions. Same for “file”, “new”, etc.. > > > > > > > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: > nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron > *Sent:* Friday, 8 March 2019 11:28 > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Hi Wim, > > > > Make our own version is a good idea, but I really don't know what is > covered by Microsoft patent : design of the API, concepts like "ribbon > tabs", "ribbon groups", look n' feel ? > > > > If look n'feel is concerned, i do not see how can we create a "tabbed > toolbar" that looks different from the ribbon ? > > > > Laurent > > > > Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 12:14, Wim Jongman a écrit : > > Hi, > > > > The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can > duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until > the point their software makes enough money after which Microsoft will come > knocking. > > > > Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed > toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wim > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:53 PM Laurent Caron > wrote: > > Hi Wayne, > > > > Thank you for your answser. > > > > Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a > patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the > situation. > > > > Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal > department ? > > > > Laurent > > > > [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI > > > > > > Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO a > écrit : > > I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation > has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187 > <https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody have > any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? > > > > Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to > lice...@eclipse.org to ask for help. Your request will get addressed > faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal > claims on the topic. > > > Wayne > > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman > wrote: > > Hi Laurent, > > > > That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we > can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise > us. > > > > We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in > a picture. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wim > > > > > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: > nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Hi Team, > > > > Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. > > > > So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat > icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron a > écrit : > > Hi Ralf, > > > > I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has > been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users > is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where > puzzled, but once > > you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that > companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far > as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs befor
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Yes, maybe it should not be tabbed. Once you know your way around the Ribbon it is great fun but I found it very confusing in the beginning. Still if I need some obscure function it is hard for me to know where that is. I think the biggest issue with toolbars and menus is “where is that action”. Maybe we can combine a search bar with a dynamic toolbar. The toolbar is minimal when you begin but if you type “debug” it is populated with debug related actions. Same for “file”, “new”, etc.. From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Laurent Caron Sent: Friday, 8 March 2019 11:28 To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Hi Wim, Make our own version is a good idea, but I really don't know what is covered by Microsoft patent : design of the API, concepts like "ribbon tabs", "ribbon groups", look n' feel ? If look n'feel is concerned, i do not see how can we create a "tabbed toolbar" that looks different from the ribbon ? Laurent Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 12:14, Wim Jongman mailto:wim.jong...@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hi, The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until the point their software makes enough money after which Microsoft will come knocking. Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon? Cheers, Wim On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:53 PM Laurent Caron mailto:laurent.ca...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi Wayne, Thank you for your answser. Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the situation. Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal department ? Laurent [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO mailto:e...@eclipse-foundation.org>> a écrit : I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187<https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody have any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to lice...@eclipse.org<mailto:lice...@eclipse.org> to ask for help. Your request will get addressed faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal claims on the topic. Wayne On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman mailto:wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com>> wrote: Hi Laurent, That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise us. We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in a picture. Cheers, Wim [cid:image001.png@01D4D5AC.433D0270] From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> [mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>] On Behalf Of Laurent Caron Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Hi Team, Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? Have a nice evening, Laurent Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron mailto:laurent.ca...@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hi Ralf, I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where puzzled, but once you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before being shipped). I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? Laurent Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich mailto:rheyd...@justmail.de>> a écrit : Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: Hi, Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the word "batmobile" means "Green light" As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without gradient... So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? I'm interested by this widget, who else ? Laurent [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ Hi La
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Wim, Make our own version is a good idea, but I really don't know what is covered by Microsoft patent : design of the API, concepts like "ribbon tabs", "ribbon groups", look n' feel ? If look n'feel is concerned, i do not see how can we create a "tabbed toolbar" that looks different from the ribbon ? Laurent Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 12:14, Wim Jongman a écrit : > Hi, > > The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can > duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until > the point their software makes enough money after which Microsoft will come > knocking. > > Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed > toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon? > > Cheers, > > Wim > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:53 PM Laurent Caron > wrote: > >> Hi Wayne, >> >> Thank you for your answser. >> >> Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a >> patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the >> situation. >> >> Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal >> department ? >> >> Laurent >> >> [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI >> >> >> Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO a >> écrit : >> >>> I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal >>> situation has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187 >>> <https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody >>> have any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? >>> >>> Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to >>> lice...@eclipse.org to ask for help. Your request will get addressed >>> faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal >>> claims on the topic. >>> >>> Wayne >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman < >>> wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Laurent, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if >>>> we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to >>>> advise us. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached >>>> in a picture. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Wim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: >>>> nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 >>>> *To:* Nebula Dev >>>> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Team, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat >>>> icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Have a nice evening, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron >>>> a écrit : >>>> >>>> Hi Ralf, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it >>>> has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for >>>> users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people >>>> where puzzled, but once >>>> >>>> you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact >>>> that companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess >>>> (as far as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs >>>> before being shipped). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? >>>>
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi, The article tells me that Microsoft did not let the ribbon go. We can duplicate it and if people use it they probably will get away with it until the point their software makes enough money after which Microsoft will come knocking. Maybe it is better if we make you make your own version of a tabbed toolbar that not tries to mimic the ribbon? Cheers, Wim On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:53 PM Laurent Caron wrote: > Hi Wayne, > > Thank you for your answser. > > Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a > patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the > situation. > > Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal > department ? > > Laurent > > [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI > > > Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO a > écrit : > >> I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation >> has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187 >> <https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody >> have any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? >> >> Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to >> lice...@eclipse.org to ask for help. Your request will get addressed >> faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal >> claims on the topic. >> >> Wayne >> >> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman < >> wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Laurent, >>> >>> >>> >>> That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if >>> we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to >>> advise us. >>> >>> >>> >>> We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached >>> in a picture. >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> >>> >>> Wim >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: >>> nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 >>> *To:* Nebula Dev >>> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Team, >>> >>> >>> >>> Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. >>> >>> >>> >>> So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat >>> icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Have a nice evening, >>> >>> >>> >>> Laurent >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron >>> a écrit : >>> >>> Hi Ralf, >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it >>> has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for >>> users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people >>> where puzzled, but once >>> >>> you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that >>> companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far >>> as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before >>> being shipped). >>> >>> >>> >>> I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? >>> >>> >>> >>> Laurent >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich >>> a écrit : >>> >>> Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> >>> Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the >>> word "batmobile" means "Green light" >>> >>> >>> >>> As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to >>> the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without >>> gradient... >>> >>> So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, >>> should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project >>&g
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Wayne, Thank you for your answser. Well, the current situation seems to be blurry. Last year Corel lost a patent lawsuit and this article [1] explains that nobody can clarify the situation. Do you think that the IP team can get in touch with Microsoft's legal department ? Laurent [1] https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/02/Ribbon-UI Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 21:12, EMO EMO a écrit : > I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation > has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187 > <https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody have > any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? > > Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to > lice...@eclipse.org to ask for help. Your request will get addressed > faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal > claims on the topic. > > Wayne > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman > wrote: > >> Hi Laurent, >> >> >> >> That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if >> we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to >> advise us. >> >> >> >> We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in >> a picture. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Wim >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: >> nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 >> *To:* Nebula Dev >> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >> >> >> >> Hi Team, >> >> >> >> Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. >> >> >> >> So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat >> icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? >> >> >> >> Have a nice evening, >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> >> >> Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron a >> écrit : >> >> Hi Ralf, >> >> >> >> I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it >> has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for >> users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people >> where puzzled, but once >> >> you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that >> companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far >> as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before >> being shipped). >> >> >> >> I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. >> >> >> >> By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> >> >> Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich a >> écrit : >> >> Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the >> word "batmobile" means "Green light" >> >> >> >> As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to >> the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without >> gradient... >> >> So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, >> should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project >> like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? >> >> >> >> I'm interested by this widget, who else ? >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ >> >> >> >> Hi Laurent, >> >> a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon >> library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon >> bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. >> MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. >> >> Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a >> lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore >> it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. >> >> Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" ( >> https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese >> language and I haven't work with it. >>
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
I don't see anything in the thread that suggests that the legal situation has changed from what's been captured in CQ 3187 <https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187>. Does anybody have any insight into whether not the license on this content has changed? Whatever the case, if you want to pursue this, send a note to lice...@eclipse.org to ask for help. Your request will get addressed faster if you can provide pointers to the current state Microsoft's legal claims on the topic. Wayne On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 4:17 AM Wim Jongman wrote: > Hi Laurent, > > > > That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we > can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise > us. > > > > We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in > a picture. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wim > > > > > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: > nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Hi Team, > > > > Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. > > > > So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat > icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron a > écrit : > > Hi Ralf, > > > > I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has > been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users > is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where > puzzled, but once > > you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that > companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far > as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before > being shipped). > > > > I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. > > > > By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich a > écrit : > > Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: > > Hi, > > > > Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the > word "batmobile" means "Green light" > > > > As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to > the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without > gradient... > > So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, > should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project > like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? > > > > I'm interested by this widget, who else ? > > > > Laurent > > > > [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ > > > > Hi Laurent, > > a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon > library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon > bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. > MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. > > Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a > lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore > it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. > > Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" ( > https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese > language and I haven't work with it. > > Ralf > > > > > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman > a écrit : > > IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. > > To the batmobile, let's go. > > > -- > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > on behalf of Christian Pontesegger > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such > issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of > licensing? > > Christian > > > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > -- The Eclipse Management Organization Eclipse Foundation ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
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Hi Thank you for your answers. Ian, good point for you, I forgot Flamingo which is really a fantastic library (I forgot it because I did not wok with Swing since years) Wim, when you're talking about "reverse engineering", what to you mean ? Re-implement the "look & feel" ? use the same API ( https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/desktop/windowsribbon/windowsribbon-introduction) ? My idea was to investigate some existing projects - Flamingo - https://github.com/kirill-grouchnikov/radiance/ - Hexapixel ribbon - https://github.com/evolanakis/ribbonide - Fluent.Ribbob - https://github.com/fluentribbon/Fluent.Ribbon - RibbonWinForms - https://github.com/RibbonWinForms/RibbonWinForms in order to create the model. What do you think ? Laurent Le mer. 6 mars 2019 à 13:39, Ian Mayo a écrit : > There is already an Open Source ribbon control that models the Microsoft > Ribbon - it's in the Flamingo UI Library: > https://github.com/kirill-grouchnikov/radiance > > It's Swing only, but some of the logic that controls how items/panels are > hidden as the panel resizes may be of value, see some screenshots here: > https://blog.frankel.ch/flamingo-tutorial/ > > Ian > > > On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 09:17, Wim Jongman > wrote: > >> Hi Laurent, >> >> >> >> That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if >> we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to >> advise us. >> >> >> >> We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in >> a picture. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Wim >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: >> nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 >> *To:* Nebula Dev >> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >> >> >> >> Hi Team, >> >> >> >> Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. >> >> >> >> So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat >> icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? >> >> >> >> Have a nice evening, >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> >> > ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
There is already an Open Source ribbon control that models the Microsoft Ribbon - it's in the Flamingo UI Library: https://github.com/kirill-grouchnikov/radiance It's Swing only, but some of the logic that controls how items/panels are hidden as the panel resizes may be of value, see some screenshots here: https://blog.frankel.ch/flamingo-tutorial/ Ian On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 09:17, Wim Jongman wrote: > Hi Laurent, > > > > That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we > can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise > us. > > > > We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in > a picture. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wim > > > > > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: > nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron > *Sent:* Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Hi Team, > > > > Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. > > > > So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat > icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? > > > > Have a nice evening, > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron a > écrit : > > Hi Ralf, > > > > I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has > been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users > is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where > puzzled, but once > > you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that > companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far > as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before > being shipped). > > > > I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. > > > > By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? > > > > Laurent > > > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich a > écrit : > > Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: > > Hi, > > > > Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the > word "batmobile" means "Green light" > > > > As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to > the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without > gradient... > > So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, > should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project > like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? > > > > I'm interested by this widget, who else ? > > > > Laurent > > > > [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ > > > > Hi Laurent, > > a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon > library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon > bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. > MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. > > Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a > lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore > it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. > > Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" ( > https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese > language and I haven't work with it. > > Ralf > > > > > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman > a écrit : > > IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. > > To the batmobile, let's go. > > > -- > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > on behalf of Christian Pontesegger > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such > issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of > licensing? > > Christian > > > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev -- Ian Mayo Deep Blue C Technology Ltd - New technologies, implemented well ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Laurent, That is great news! Do you think we should contact Microsoft to know if we can reverse engineer the ribbbon? Maybe the EMO (in cc) is able to advise us. We are talking about recreating the Microsoft Ribbon which is attached in a picture. Cheers, Wim [cid:image001.png@01D4D405.C530ED30] From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Laurent Caron Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2019 23:29 To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Hi Team, Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? Have a nice evening, Laurent Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron mailto:laurent.ca...@gmail.com>> a écrit : Hi Ralf, I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where puzzled, but once you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before being shipped). I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? Laurent Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich mailto:rheyd...@justmail.de>> a écrit : Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: Hi, Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the word "batmobile" means "Green light" As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without gradient... So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? I'm interested by this widget, who else ? Laurent [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ Hi Laurent, a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" (https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese language and I haven't work with it. Ralf Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman mailto:wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com>> a écrit : IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. To the batmobile, let's go. From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>> on behalf of Christian Pontesegger mailto:christian.ponteseg...@web.de>> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of licensing? Christian ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Team, Well I've checked RWT and the source code has not been published. So I've decided to start to work on this feature. Do you know any "flat icon" library that can be included in a EPL project ? Have a nice evening, Laurent Le lun. 25 févr. 2019 à 10:10, Laurent Caron a écrit : > Hi Ralf, > > I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has > been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users > is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where > puzzled, but once > you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that > companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far > as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before > being shipped). > > I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. > > By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? > > Laurent > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich a > écrit : > >> Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: >> >> Hi, >> >> Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the >> word "batmobile" means "Green light" >> >> As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to >> the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without >> gradient... >> So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, >> should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project >> like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? >> >> I'm interested by this widget, who else ? >> >> Laurent >> >> [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ >> >> >> Hi Laurent, >> >> a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon >> library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon >> bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. >> MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. >> >> Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a >> lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore >> it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. >> >> Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" ( >> https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese >> language and I haven't work with it. >> Ralf >> >> >> >> >> Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman < >> wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com> a écrit : >> >>> IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. >>> >>> To the batmobile, let's go. >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org >>> on behalf of Christian Pontesegger >>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM >>> *To:* Nebula Dev >>> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >>> >>> Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such >>> issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of >>> licensing? >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Ralf, I agree with you: Microsoft is very proud of Ribbon Bar (that's why it has been introduced in the File Explorer of Windows 10), but the gap for users is very important. I remember the arrival of Office 2007, many people where puzzled, but once you accustomed, you are very productive. I agree also with the fact that companies should take care of this UI feature, it can be a big mess (as far as I know, the Ribbon was tested during 2 years by Microsoft Labs before being shipped). I never heard about RWT but I'll have a look, thanks. By the way, does anyone interested in this project ? Laurent Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 23:16, Ralf Heydenreich a écrit : > Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: > > Hi, > > Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the > word "batmobile" means "Green light" > > As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to > the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without > gradient... > So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, > should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project > like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? > > I'm interested by this widget, who else ? > > Laurent > > [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ > > > Hi Laurent, > > a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon > library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon > bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. > MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. > > Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a > lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore > it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. > > Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" ( > https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese > language and I haven't work with it. > Ralf > > > > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman > a écrit : > >> IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. >> >> To the batmobile, let's go. >> >> ---------- >> *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org >> on behalf of Christian Pontesegger >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM >> *To:* Nebula Dev >> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >> >> Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such >> issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of >> licensing? >> >> Christian >> >> > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
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Am 24.02.2019 um 17:29 schrieb Laurent Caron: > Hi, > > Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the > word "batmobile" means "Green light" > > As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close > to the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, > without gradient... > So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, > should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate > project like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? > > I'm interested by this widget, who else ? > > Laurent > > [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ Hi Laurent, a few months ago I've also player around with the Hexapixel Ribbon library, but I've decided to not use it. I think, the concept of a "ribbon bar" is specific for Microsoft applications, especially for Windows users. MaOS and Linux users have other UI concepts. Nonetheless, I think we can work on such a ribbon widget for SWT, since a lot of applications are running under Windows (in my experience). Therefore it's good to have a well known concept of a UI. Btw, there's also a "Ribbon Widget Toolkit" (https://code.google.com/archive/p/rwt/), but it is completely in Chinese language and I haven't work with it. Ralf > > Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman > <mailto:wim.jong...@remainsoftware.com>> a écrit : > > IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. > > To the batmobile, let's go. > > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > <mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org> > <mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org>> on behalf of Christian > Pontesegger <mailto:christian.ponteseg...@web.de>> > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out > such > issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of > licensing? > > Christian > ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi, Well if my level of Wim's language is good enough, a sentence with the word "batmobile" means "Green light" As far as I remember, the look of Hexapixel's ribbon was really close to the "office 2007" look... Nowadays, Word's ribbon is more flat, without gradient... So my question is : should we start from the original ribbon by Emi, should we build a new project from scratch or should we migrate project like FXRibbon ([1]) from JavaFX to SWT ? I'm interested by this widget, who else ? Laurent [1] https://www.pixelduke.com/fxribbon/ Le dim. 24 févr. 2019 à 11:57, Wim Jongman a écrit : > IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. > > To the batmobile, let's go. > > -- > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org > on behalf of Christian Pontesegger > *Sent:* Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such > issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of > licensing? > > Christian > > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
IIRC someone said there is no patent issue anymore. To the batmobile, let's go. From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org on behalf of Christian Pontesegger Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2019 8:59:34 AM To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of licensing? Christian ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Interesting IP situation. Do you now, does Eclipse try to sort out such issues, eg by contacting Microsoft to find an alternate way of licensing? Christian ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
No that site is gone but the source code is attached to that bug. On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 11:28 AM Laurent Caron wrote: > Hi Wim, > > Well it's annoying... Implementation has started, and we're stuck because > of the patent :( > > Furthermore, hexapixel.com is no longer alive. > > I'll try to find a way to improve this sad situation. > > Thank you for your feedback > > Laurent > > > Le lun. 10 déc. 2018 à 09:36, Wim Jongman > a écrit : > >> Hey Laurent, >> >> >> >> Emil already started an implementation [1]. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Wim >> >> >> >> [1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=267015 >> >> >> >> *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: >> nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron >> *Sent:* Sunday, 9 December 2018 17:16 >> *To:* Nebula Dev >> *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Interesting proposal, I'll have a look ! >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:49, Tom Schindl a >> écrit : >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> If you read the CQ carefully you‘ll notice that it is possible to provide >> a ribbon control. The app developer is responsible to ask at M$. You could >> retry maybe the situation has changed since the CQ was filed? >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> >> Am 09.12.2018 um 16:43 schrieb Laurent Caron : >> >> Hi Tom >> >> >> >> Thank you for your answer. >> >> >> >> I was wondering because Ribbon-like components are available in other >> languages or technologies (Open source components like RibbonFX or >> commercial libraries). >> >> >> >> Too bad :( >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> >> >> Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:28, Tom Schindl a >> écrit : >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Yes it is an IP problem - See >> http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187 >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> >> Am 09.12.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Laurent Caron : >> >> Good afternoon, >> >> >> >> Even if most SWT widgets are used in RCP application, I'm just wondering >> : >> >> >> >> *Why no "Ribbon" widget is available for SWT ?* >> >> >> >> Why e4, the interface is very customisable and a developper can easily >> replace the button area with a ribbon... >> >> >> >> Do you think is it a patent problem ? >> >> >> >> Thank you for your feeback >> >> >> >> Laurent >> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Wim, Well it's annoying... Implementation has started, and we're stuck because of the patent :( Furthermore, hexapixel.com is no longer alive. I'll try to find a way to improve this sad situation. Thank you for your feedback Laurent Le lun. 10 déc. 2018 à 09:36, Wim Jongman a écrit : > Hey Laurent, > > > > Emil already started an implementation [1]. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Wim > > > > [1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=267015 > > > > *From:* nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto: > nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] *On Behalf Of *Laurent Caron > *Sent:* Sunday, 9 December 2018 17:16 > *To:* Nebula Dev > *Subject:* Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" > > > > Hi, > > > > Interesting proposal, I'll have a look ! > > > > Cheers, > > > > Laurent > > > > Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:49, Tom Schindl a > écrit : > > Hi, > > > > If you read the CQ carefully you‘ll notice that it is possible to provide > a ribbon control. The app developer is responsible to ask at M$. You could > retry maybe the situation has changed since the CQ was filed? > > > > Tom > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > > Am 09.12.2018 um 16:43 schrieb Laurent Caron : > > Hi Tom > > > > Thank you for your answer. > > > > I was wondering because Ribbon-like components are available in other > languages or technologies (Open source components like RibbonFX or > commercial libraries). > > > > Too bad :( > > > > Laurent > > > > Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:28, Tom Schindl a > écrit : > > Hi, > > > > Yes it is an IP problem - See > http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187 > > > > Tom > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > > Am 09.12.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Laurent Caron : > > Good afternoon, > > > > Even if most SWT widgets are used in RCP application, I'm just wondering : > > > > *Why no "Ribbon" widget is available for SWT ?* > > > > Why e4, the interface is very customisable and a developper can easily > replace the button area with a ribbon... > > > > Do you think is it a patent problem ? > > > > Thank you for your feeback > > > > Laurent > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hey Laurent, Emil already started an implementation [1]. Cheers, Wim [1] https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=267015 From: nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org [mailto:nebula-dev-boun...@eclipse.org] On Behalf Of Laurent Caron Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2018 17:16 To: Nebula Dev Subject: Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon" Hi, Interesting proposal, I'll have a look ! Cheers, Laurent Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:49, Tom Schindl mailto:tom.schi...@bestsolution.at>> a écrit : Hi, If you read the CQ carefully you‘ll notice that it is possible to provide a ribbon control. The app developer is responsible to ask at M$. You could retry maybe the situation has changed since the CQ was filed? Tom Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 09.12.2018 um 16:43 schrieb Laurent Caron mailto:laurent.ca...@gmail.com>>: Hi Tom Thank you for your answer. I was wondering because Ribbon-like components are available in other languages or technologies (Open source components like RibbonFX or commercial libraries). Too bad :( Laurent Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:28, Tom Schindl mailto:tom.schi...@bestsolution.at>> a écrit : Hi, Yes it is an IP problem - See http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187 Tom Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 09.12.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Laurent Caron mailto:laurent.ca...@gmail.com>>: Good afternoon, Even if most SWT widgets are used in RCP application, I'm just wondering : Why no "Ribbon" widget is available for SWT ? Why e4, the interface is very customisable and a developper can easily replace the button area with a ribbon... Do you think is it a patent problem ? Thank you for your feeback Laurent ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org<mailto:nebula-dev@eclipse.org> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi, Interesting proposal, I'll have a look ! Cheers, Laurent Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:49, Tom Schindl a écrit : > Hi, > > If you read the CQ carefully you‘ll notice that it is possible to provide > a ribbon control. The app developer is responsible to ask at M$. You could > retry maybe the situation has changed since the CQ was filed? > > Tom > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 09.12.2018 um 16:43 schrieb Laurent Caron : > > Hi Tom > > Thank you for your answer. > > I was wondering because Ribbon-like components are available in other > languages or technologies (Open source components like RibbonFX or > commercial libraries). > > Too bad :( > > Laurent > > Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:28, Tom Schindl a > écrit : > >> Hi, >> >> Yes it is an IP problem - See >> http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187 >> >> Tom >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >> Am 09.12.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Laurent Caron : >> >> Good afternoon, >> >> Even if most SWT widgets are used in RCP application, I'm just wondering >> : >> >> *Why no "Ribbon" widget is available for SWT ?* >> >> Why e4, the interface is very customisable and a developper can easily >> replace the button area with a ribbon... >> >> Do you think is it a patent problem ? >> >> Thank you for your feeback >> >> Laurent >> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >> from this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi, If you read the CQ carefully you‘ll notice that it is possible to provide a ribbon control. The app developer is responsible to ask at M$. You could retry maybe the situation has changed since the CQ was filed? Tom Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 09.12.2018 um 16:43 schrieb Laurent Caron : > > Hi Tom > > Thank you for your answer. > > I was wondering because Ribbon-like components are available in other > languages or technologies (Open source components like RibbonFX or commercial > libraries). > > Too bad :( > > Laurent > >> Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:28, Tom Schindl a >> écrit : >> Hi, >> >> Yes it is an IP problem - See >> http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187 >> >> Tom >> >> Von meinem iPhone gesendet >> >>> Am 09.12.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Laurent Caron : >>> >>> Good afternoon, >>> >>> Even if most SWT widgets are used in RCP application, I'm just wondering : >>> >>> Why no "Ribbon" widget is available for SWT ? >>> >>> Why e4, the interface is very customisable and a developper can easily >>> replace the button area with a ribbon... >>> >>> Do you think is it a patent problem ? >>> >>> Thank you for your feeback >>> >>> Laurent >>> ___ >>> nebula-dev mailing list >>> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >>> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe >>> from this list, visit >>> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev >> ___ >> nebula-dev mailing list >> nebula-dev@eclipse.org >> To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from >> this list, visit >> https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from > this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi Tom Thank you for your answer. I was wondering because Ribbon-like components are available in other languages or technologies (Open source components like RibbonFX or commercial libraries). Too bad :( Laurent Le dim. 9 déc. 2018 à 16:28, Tom Schindl a écrit : > Hi, > > Yes it is an IP problem - See > http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187 > > Tom > > Von meinem iPhone gesendet > > Am 09.12.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Laurent Caron : > > Good afternoon, > > Even if most SWT widgets are used in RCP application, I'm just wondering : > > *Why no "Ribbon" widget is available for SWT ?* > > Why e4, the interface is very customisable and a developper can easily > replace the button area with a ribbon... > > Do you think is it a patent problem ? > > Thank you for your feeback > > Laurent > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev > > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe > from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
Re: [nebula-dev] Question about "Ribbon"
Hi, Yes it is an IP problem - See http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3187 Tom Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 09.12.2018 um 16:07 schrieb Laurent Caron : > > Good afternoon, > > Even if most SWT widgets are used in RCP application, I'm just wondering : > > Why no "Ribbon" widget is available for SWT ? > > Why e4, the interface is very customisable and a developper can easily > replace the button area with a ribbon... > > Do you think is it a patent problem ? > > Thank you for your feeback > > Laurent > ___ > nebula-dev mailing list > nebula-dev@eclipse.org > To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from > this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev ___ nebula-dev mailing list nebula-dev@eclipse.org To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/nebula-dev
