Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
On 3/16/20 7:00 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > [...] > A way to fix the wrong spacing here is to add a strut option to > \setuplist (or use always the upright font to set the strut values). Any of these ones would be great to avoid the corner cases. Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
Hans Hagen schrieb am 16.03.2020 um 18:42: On 3/16/2020 6:01 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 16.03.2020 um 15:42: Am 2020-03-16 um 14:35 schrieb Hans Hagen : Yes, pagella is a extreme case but when you use bold text the vertical spacing is also messed up. You can avoid this when you use a fixed lineheight (e.g. \setupinterlinespace[line=14pt]) because the default distance is font dependant (default: 2.8 * ex-height). or one can play with these parameters, that default to: \setupinterlinespace [height=.72, depth=.28] (maybe we should have recomended values for specific fonts) I had similar problems in the past and got to 2.9ex for Alegreya 3.2ex for Adobe Jenson (Just tried, didn’t calculate anything.) How would this help for the original problem? Some fonts have a different ratio (I forgot what font i did .7 / .3) but indeed an all-bold or whatever style change sometimes demands a local \setupinterlinespace (no argument). I know there are cases where changing the height/depth ration can help but in this case the problem is caused by \strut which is bigger for the italic font. A way to fix the wrong spacing here is to add a strut option to \setuplist (or use always the upright font to set the strut values). Of course one could also tweak the ht/dp of a specific style using one of the pseudo features. Also possible because the larger value for the ex-height of the italic font causes the bigger strut dimensions. Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
On 3/16/2020 6:01 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 16.03.2020 um 15:42: Am 2020-03-16 um 14:35 schrieb Hans Hagen : Yes, pagella is a extreme case but when you use bold text the vertical spacing is also messed up. You can avoid this when you use a fixed lineheight (e.g. \setupinterlinespace[line=14pt]) because the default distance is font dependant (default: 2.8 * ex-height). or one can play with these parameters, that default to: \setupinterlinespace [height=.72, depth=.28] (maybe we should have recomended values for specific fonts) I had similar problems in the past and got to 2.9ex for Alegreya 3.2ex for Adobe Jenson (Just tried, didn’t calculate anything.) How would this help for the original problem? Some fonts have a different ratio (I forgot what font i did .7 / .3) but indeed an all-bold or whatever style change sometimes demands a local \setupinterlinespace (no argument). Of course one could also tweak the ht/dp of a specific style using one of the pseudo features. Hans - Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl - ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
Henning Hraban Ramm schrieb am 16.03.2020 um 15:42: Am 2020-03-16 um 14:35 schrieb Hans Hagen : Yes, pagella is a extreme case but when you use bold text the vertical spacing is also messed up. You can avoid this when you use a fixed lineheight (e.g. \setupinterlinespace[line=14pt]) because the default distance is font dependant (default: 2.8 * ex-height). or one can play with these parameters, that default to: \setupinterlinespace [height=.72, depth=.28] (maybe we should have recomended values for specific fonts) I had similar problems in the past and got to 2.9ex for Alegreya 3.2ex for Adobe Jenson (Just tried, didn’t calculate anything.) How would this help for the original problem? Wolfgang ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
> Am 2020-03-16 um 14:35 schrieb Hans Hagen : >> Yes, pagella is a extreme case but when you use bold text the vertical >> spacing is also messed up. You can avoid this when you use a fixed >> lineheight (e.g. \setupinterlinespace[line=14pt]) because the default >> distance is font dependant (default: 2.8 * ex-height). > or one can play with these parameters, that default to: > > \setupinterlinespace > [height=.72, > depth=.28] > > (maybe we should have recomended values for specific fonts) I had similar problems in the past and got to 2.9ex for Alegreya 3.2ex for Adobe Jenson (Just tried, didn’t calculate anything.) All the best, Hraban ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
On 3/16/2020 1:27 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 16.03.2020 um 10:01:
On 3/15/20 10:56 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 15.03.2020 um 20:32:
[...]
Everthing is fine when italic fonts aren’t used.
It can be fixed with a strut option for lists, e.g.
\setuplist[strut=no]. The problem in this case is that the ex-height for
the italic font is larger than the ex-height for the upright font which
pushes the text down because add a strut at the begin and end of the
entries.
Many thanks for your reply, Wolfgang.
I don’t get \setuplist[strut=no] working in the minimal sample I sent
yesterday.
The key isn't supported yet but it could help to avoid the spacing problem.
Below is a minimal example of the problem, the \setstrut setting changes
the height of the strut for the italic font.
I must admit that I don’t understand how to handle struts (I’m not sure
I understand what they actually are.)
The simple answer is that a strut is a invisible vertical line with the
height and depth of a line. When you look at the example below you can
see the text in the first box touches the top and bottom boundaries.
When we add a strut at the begin and end of the text we ensure the last
line has the depth of a normal line and the first line gets the complete
height of a line.
begin example
\starttext
\ruledvbox{\samplefile{weisman}}
\blank
\ruledvbox{\begstrut\samplefile{weisman}\endstrut}
\stoptext
end example
Most fonts (I checked only a small number) don't have such a big
difference between the ex-height of the upright and italic styles which
makes it hard to notice the problem.
Yesterday I realized that Pagella was an extreme case, because I tried
to report this issue before, but Latin Modern didn’t show the issue (so
I thought I was doing something wrong).
Yes, pagella is a extreme case but when you use bold text the vertical
spacing is also messed up. You can avoid this when you use a fixed
lineheight (e.g. \setupinterlinespace[line=14pt]) because the default
distance is font dependant (default: 2.8 * ex-height).
or one can play with these parameters, that default to:
\setupinterlinespace
[height=.72,
depth=.28]
(maybe we should have recomended values for specific fonts)
Hans
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Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 16.03.2020 um 10:01:
On 3/15/20 10:56 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 15.03.2020 um 20:32:
[...]
Everthing is fine when italic fonts aren’t used.
It can be fixed with a strut option for lists, e.g.
\setuplist[strut=no]. The problem in this case is that the ex-height for
the italic font is larger than the ex-height for the upright font which
pushes the text down because add a strut at the begin and end of the
entries.
Many thanks for your reply, Wolfgang.
I don’t get \setuplist[strut=no] working in the minimal sample I sent
yesterday.
The key isn't supported yet but it could help to avoid the spacing problem.
Below is a minimal example of the problem, the \setstrut setting changes
the height of the strut for the italic font.
I must admit that I don’t understand how to handle struts (I’m not sure
I understand what they actually are.)
The simple answer is that a strut is a invisible vertical line with the
height and depth of a line. When you look at the example below you can
see the text in the first box touches the top and bottom boundaries.
When we add a strut at the begin and end of the text we ensure the last
line has the depth of a normal line and the first line gets the complete
height of a line.
begin example
\starttext
\ruledvbox{\samplefile{weisman}}
\blank
\ruledvbox{\begstrut\samplefile{weisman}\endstrut}
\stoptext
end example
Most fonts (I checked only a small number) don't have such a big
difference between the ex-height of the upright and italic styles which
makes it hard to notice the problem.
Yesterday I realized that Pagella was an extreme case, because I tried
to report this issue before, but Latin Modern didn’t show the issue (so
I thought I was doing something wrong).
Yes, pagella is a extreme case but when you use bold text the vertical
spacing is also messed up. You can avoid this when you use a fixed
lineheight (e.g. \setupinterlinespace[line=14pt]) because the default
distance is font dependant (default: 2.8 * ex-height).
Wolfgang
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Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
On 3/15/20 10:56 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: > Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 15.03.2020 um 20:32: >> [...] >> Everthing is fine when italic fonts aren’t used. > > It can be fixed with a strut option for lists, e.g. > \setuplist[strut=no]. The problem in this case is that the ex-height for > the italic font is larger than the ex-height for the upright font which > pushes the text down because add a strut at the begin and end of the > entries. Many thanks for your reply, Wolfgang. I don’t get \setuplist[strut=no] working in the minimal sample I sent yesterday. > Below is a minimal example of the problem, the \setstrut setting changes > the height of the strut for the italic font. I must admit that I don’t understand how to handle struts (I’m not sure I understand what they actually are.) > Most fonts (I checked only a small number) don't have such a big > difference between the ex-height of the upright and italic styles which > makes it hard to notice the problem. Yesterday I realized that Pagella was an extreme case, because I tried to report this issue before, but Latin Modern didn’t show the issue (so I thought I was doing something wrong). Many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk ___ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://context.aanhet.net archive : https://bitbucket.org/phg/context-mirror/commits/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___
Re: [NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 15.03.2020 um 20:32:
Hi Hans,
here you have the sample:
\setuppapersize[A6]
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\enabledirectives[references.border]
\setupbodyfont[pagella]
\starttext
\placelist[section]
[alternative=d,
style=\it]
\section{Section 1}
\section{\dorecurse{25}{Section }3}
\section{Section 3}
\stoptext
For some strange reason (at least, to me), \placelist[alternative=d]
seems to misbehave when using \it or \bi as style.
Everthing is fine when italic fonts aren’t used.
It can be fixed with a strut option for lists, e.g.
\setuplist[strut=no]. The problem in this case is that the ex-height for
the italic font is larger than the ex-height for the upright font which
pushes the text down because add a strut at the begin and end of the
entries.
Below is a minimal example of the problem, the \setstrut setting changes
the height of the strut for the italic font.
begin example
\showstruts
\setupbodyfont[pagella]
\starttext
\dontleavehmode\it
\ruledhbox{\strut Section}
\ruledhbox{\setstrut\strut Section}
\stoptext
end example
Most fonts (I checked only a small number) don't have such a big
difference between the ex-height of the upright and italic styles which
makes it hard to notice the problem.
begin example
\define[1]\ShowExheight
{\bgroup
\setupbodyfont[#1]
\subject{#1}
\starttabulate
\NC tf \NC \tf \the\exheight \NC\NR
\NC it \NC \it \the\exheight \NC\NR
\NC bf \NC \bf \the\exheight \NC\NR
\NC bi \NC \bi \the\exheight \NC\NR
\stoptabulate
\egroup}
\starttext
\ShowExheight{pagella}
\ShowExheight{modern}
\ShowExheight{dejavu}
\ShowExheight{termes}
\stoptext
end example
Wolfgang
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[NTG-context] (bug?) wrong interline in \placelist[alternative=d] with Pagella italics
Hi Hans,
here you have the sample:
\setuppapersize[A6]
\setupinteraction[state=start]
\enabledirectives[references.border]
\setupbodyfont[pagella]
\starttext
\placelist[section]
[alternative=d,
style=\it]
\section{Section 1}
\section{\dorecurse{25}{Section }3}
\section{Section 3}
\stoptext
For some strange reason (at least, to me), \placelist[alternative=d]
seems to misbehave when using \it or \bi as style.
Everthing is fine when italic fonts aren’t used.
I’m afraid I may be hitting a bug in both latest MkXL from 2020.03.10
14:52 and MkIV from 2019.07.24 11:31.
Many thanks for your help,
Pablo
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