Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BI LANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
PH, Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to court so you can prove your allegation? Salam, Rully - Original Message - From: PH™ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,” he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,” Rully said. But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders, doubts nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future of corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having aptly characterized the entire affair as “nothing more than a game.” Jakarta Globe
Re: [ob] Latest Palm Oil Chart
Kesini aja pak: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuilder masukin: PAL2MALY:IND --- indeks cpo SGRO:IJ AALI:IJ LSIP:IJ Regards, DE fyi, untuk coal, kodenya CLSPAUNE:IND 2009/6/20 b3tonsportz b3tonspo...@yahoo.com Pak DE, bisa tolong compare dengan saham2 CPO di BEI? thanks http://img37.imageshack.us/i/cpo.png/ + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [ob] Fw: Adrian Mowat Presentation at J.P. Morgan China Conference 2009 (10 - 12 June)
Makanya kayaknya gak terlalu relevan lagi kalau melototin DJIA trus. Indeks yg relevansi agak lumayan thd IHSG kayaknya = MSCI Emerging Market Indeks, AORD, Bovespa... http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/164963 Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jsx_consultant jsx-consult...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jkunci jkunci@ wrote: Cuma grafik terakhir yg saya agak geh'. Semakin hebat krisis maka recoverynya juga makin kenceng... he he he itu doang. Pokoknya bull dah, you know what to do lah.. Maksudnya grafik hal 25, iya kan: Embah coba bikin EXECUTIVE SUMMARYnya: - AFTER THE BIGGEST CRASH... WHY NOT THE BIGGEST BULL MARKET Artinya: Bukan Makin Cepat Makin Baik... hehehe... Krisis yg sangat DAHSYAT akan menghasilkan BULL MARKET yg akan memberikan KEUNTUNGAN TERBESAR selama karir investasi anda, dan ini mungkin hanya terjadi SEKALI dalam hidup anda. So GO GET IT. Jangan jangan si EL nyontek dari disini, pantes suruh invest terus. Krisis Finansial yg terjadi sekarang mempunyai skala yg paling besar dari segi KERUSAKAN dan KECEPATAN merusaknya terhadap ekonomi dibanding krisis Mexico, krisis Asia, Internet Bubble dan Perang Teluk. Tapi Krisis Finansial ternyata paling cepat skala Recoverynya. Dalam 7 bulan, Recovery Index Emerging market sudah mencapai 30%. Jadi masih ada 70% lagi euy, say in 18 month ?. Menarik engga Executive Summarynya ?. Kalo tertarik baca hal 25, kalo mau lebih detail baca semua, dan kalo ada yg engga ngerti Call embah, biaya jelasin murah cuman Cepe Ceng per lembar... hehehe... Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, [ M S ] mimpi.saham@ wrote: Mbah bener banget...banyak yang posting grafik dan grafiknya cangih² tapi tanpa komentar malah membuat newbie bingung dan terkesan yang buat grafik tidak PD dengan grafik yang di hasilkan, atau mungkin tidak ikhlas dalam berbagi pandangan TAnya. BTW, mengenai PD jadi inget Volume, makin PD makin besar volumneya seperti mbah dan prof JT...hehehe. Grafik Canggih dengan komentar misalnya: - You know what to do - Siap - siap - Semoga membantu - Crispy enuff - Can we have a bounce - etc etc Koq kesannya ngak punya pendirian. Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: jsx_consultant jsx-consultant@ Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:21:36 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bls: [ob] Fw: Adrian Mowat Presentation at J.P. Morgan China Conference 2009 (10 - 12 June) - The Biggest Bull Market of Your Career Sedikit OOT pak Joe, Report yg pak Joe kirim kemilis termasuk report tehnis yg hanya dimengerti sebagian kecil penduduk OB. Dibodohin juga banyak yg engga sadar karena engga ngerti. Di OB ada banyak profesional tapi mereka umumnya SILENT, mereka ngerti tapi jarang posting. Yang posting itu banyaknya selevel embah yang belum pantas disebut analis profesional, mereka itu orang biasa, pedagang, pengusaha dll yg belajar saham banyaknya tanpa pendidikan formal. Report yg pak Joe kirim itu mirip Report perhitungan konstruksi gedung 20 tingkat yg dibuat insinyur sipil, hanya sanggup dibaca oleh insinyur sipil lagi. Sedang si Bowheer yg punya duit cuman sanggup liat Report gambar gambar dan maket yg dibuat oleh arsitek. Kalo si Analis saham mau reportnya dibaca ama investor yg punya duit dan engga dijadikan hiasan doang, si Analis seharusnya mem buat report yg bisa dibaca oleh yg PUNYA DUIT, sehingga reportnya MARKETABLE kepada investor dan bukan pada analis. Memang membuat report ini menjadi report yg bisa dimengerti oleh SBY atau Megawati tanpa mengurangi keilmiahannya engga gampang. Tapi itulah tantangan bagi para analis. Alternative lainnya ialah membuat EXECUTIVE SUMMARY dibagian depan dan detail technical/analysis dibelakangnya. Jadi orang awam seperti embah yg tidak pernah pake MACD atau RSI, cukup baca tulisan seperti baca koran biasa, tapi semua HAL PENTING yg mau disampaikan pada Audience MENCAPAI SASARAN secara efektif.. Terus terang aja, embah engga pernah mau melihat grafik tehnikal dengan segala macam indikatornya kalo engga ada SUMMARY dari grafik tsb. Yg embah perlukan adalah KESIMPULAN dari grafik dan kalo tertarik dengan kesimpulannya, baru embah baca grafiknya dan mencoba untuk mengerti... Note: - Report diatas ditujukan untuk conference dan yg datang mungkin cuman analis doang, jadi mungkin cocok untuk mereka. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Joe Grunk joe_grunk@ wrote: Ada komentar? --- Pada Jum, 19/6/09, Joe Grunk joe_grunk@ menulis: Dari: Joe Grunk joe_grunk@ Topik: [ob] Fw: Adrian Mowat Presentation at J.P. Morgan China Conference 2009 (10 - 12 June) - The Biggest Bull Market of
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cup...@... wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote:
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Pro blem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVE STOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject:[ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PH™ vaulst...@yahoo.com Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com PH™ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,” he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,” Rully said. But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders, doubts nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future of corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having aptly characterized the entire affair as “nothing more than a game.”
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cup...@... wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote:
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
Apa ada hubungan antara harga *coal futures* dengan BUMI ?Bukannya BUMI dan banyak tambang batu bara memakai *Contract*? 2009/6/20 Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@yahoo.com Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -- *From*: boyz *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin *merah* dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cup...@... wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote:
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
*Iya neh... Target EL 1000 orang donasi, sekarang sudah 291... warga OB ada 8000, CEPAT daftarkan nama anda dan jumlah lot yang diberikan sebelum ketinggalan kereta. caranya...? klik di *SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93.
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem ’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SE MUA
*Another prita?* 2009/6/20 Aria Santoso ariasant...@gmail.com Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PH™ vaulst...@yahoo.com vaulstrad%40yahoo.com Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com PH™ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,” he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,” Rully said. But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders, doubts nevertheless persist,
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
Masa kalah sama votingnya bora-bora... heheh.. ayo mbah udah jagain OB selama 9 TAHUN (cmiw), kita sebagian besar blm pernah ngasih apa2 ke mbah. Natal tinggal 6 bulan lagi, apa susahnya nahan 5 lot bnbr selama 6 bulan.. btw bu Fifi ngapain malem2 gini online? Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 13:29, fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com menulis: *Iya neh... Target EL 1000 orang donasi, sekarang sudah 291... warga OB ada 8000, CEPAT daftarkan nama anda dan jumlah lot yang diberikan sebelum ketinggalan kereta. caranya...? klik di *SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93.
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
Ya merah juga Gpp, asal minusnya dikit aja :P Optimis sajalah... IHSG masih BULL, trend-nya blum patah, kan? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cupert@ wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote:
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Court Settlement saja Om Rully :) Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Rully rullymainsa...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:58:02 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BI LANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA PH, Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to court so you can prove your allegation? Salam, Rully - Original Message - From: PH™ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,” he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,” Rully said. But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders, doubts nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future of corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
Patah sih ngga... Cuman ngocoknya kalo terlalu keras in stiff mode gini bisa patah lhooo Hehehe -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:34:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Ya merah juga Gpp, asal minusnya dikit aja :P Optimis sajalah... IHSG masih BULL, trend-nya blum patah, kan? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cupert@ wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote:
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
Sbnrnya kan mslh psikologi harga coal ini. Sbagian bsr perush coal indo sdh contract, misal aja itmg udah kontrak di 75-80 thn ini Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@yahoo.com.sg Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:34:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Ya merah juga Gpp, asal minusnya dikit aja :P Optimis sajalah... IHSG masih BULL, trend-nya blum patah, kan? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 To: obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@ mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cupert@ wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote: + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Dear Melisa, Do u read thorougly the allegation to Mr Oetomo Rully by PH? Prita shares the fact. Story of her life... She doesn't do this kind of allegation: *Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(* Freedom of speaking is good, but what will you do when people accuse u in public? Is it character killing: The one who tried to defend us now getting accused in accepting bribe. I'd self voluntarily left this community if most of the people here could accept this kind of action. Hope to hear a word from the moderator... With best regards, Ace Melisa Lais wrote: /Another prita?/ 2009/6/20 Aria Santoso ariasant...@gmail.com mailto:ariasant...@gmail.com Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PH™ vaulst...@yahoo.com mailto:vaulstrad%40yahoo.com Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com PH™ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue,
Re: [ob] Re: Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG
Pak Adi Putra, Terima kasih atas penjelasannya, sori ya pak, banyak nanya. Mh Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: aput1976 aput1...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 05:27:46 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG bagi para trader yg sdh menguasai TA ,FA ,BHSH and BLSH anda bisa membaca arah postingan saya dan bagi yg belum ,sy berusaha menjelaskan dgn contoh dan anda bisa lihat sendiri chartnya. SIIP ,meta,cmnp,roda ,BNBR dll merupakan gorengan Low colesterol kita hanya menunggu pull back ke atas karena pull down terbatas, amag,ahap,bryna,almi,inai dll gorengan high kolesterol ,bila anda tdk bisa stop loss ketat maka nyangkut bila melakukan BHSH. sedangkan tins,antm,asii,bca,bri sdh break out dari IHSG 2400 maaf bila saya tdk mengirimkan chart,ulasan yg lebih detail karena sy anggap anda semua adalah profesional yg mencari uang di atm IHSG.Good luck for all --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Adi Putra aput1...@... wrote: Pertama 2 kami ucapkan selamat dari koreksi pada hari ini bagi para trader dan sepuh OB, sesuai dengan postingan kami terdahulu bagi yg melihat dan membaca maka akan selamat dalam koreksi dalam minggu ini ,karena IHSG TA,psikologis dan future market dalam waktu 1 minggu yang lalu sudah mulai konfirm terhadap keadaan kedepan.Kami sdh berusaha mengingatkan para OB apa yang akan terjadi pada beberapa hari kedepan. Good Luck for all Saran kami hindari dulu BC yg sdh mahal secara PER dan Break OUT price pada IHSG 2400 Sell Saham Gorengan High kolesterol and Buy low kolesterol regard IFM APUT + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Pro blem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVE STOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
saya harap anda yg mengusulkan hal ini siap menjadi saksi... Ruz7 wrote: Court Settlement saja Om Rully :) Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® *From*: Rully *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:58:02 +0900 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BI LANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA PH, Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to court so you can prove your allegation? Salam, Rully - Original Message - *From:* PH™ mailto:vaulst...@yahoo.com *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM *Subject:* [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,” he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the
Re: [ob] Re: Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG
Pa Adi putra apakah menrut analisa bapak semiggu depan dan sampai ahir bulan ini IHSG cenderung dominasi Merah ? TQ On 6/19/09, aput1976 aput1...@yahoo.com wrote: bagi para trader yg sdh menguasai TA ,FA ,BHSH and BLSH anda bisa membaca arah postingan saya dan bagi yg belum ,sy berusaha menjelaskan dgn contoh dan anda bisa lihat sendiri chartnya. SIIP ,meta,cmnp,roda ,BNBR dll merupakan gorengan Low colesterol kita hanya menunggu pull back ke atas karena pull down terbatas, amag,ahap,bryna,almi,inai dll gorengan high kolesterol ,bila anda tdk bisa stop loss ketat maka nyangkut bila melakukan BHSH. sedangkan tins,antm,asii,bca,bri sdh break out dari IHSG 2400 maaf bila saya tdk mengirimkan chart,ulasan yg lebih detail karena sy anggap anda semua adalah profesional yg mencari uang di atm IHSG.Good luck for all --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Adi Putra aput1...@... wrote: Pertama 2 kami ucapkan selamat dari koreksi pada hari ini bagi para trader dan sepuh OB, sesuai dengan postingan kami terdahulu bagi yg melihat dan membaca maka akan selamat dalam koreksi dalam minggu ini ,karena IHSG TA,psikologis dan future market dalam waktu 1 minggu yang lalu sudah mulai konfirm terhadap keadaan kedepan.Kami sdh berusaha mengingatkan para OB apa yang akan terjadi pada beberapa hari kedepan. Good Luck for all Saran kami hindari dulu BC yg sdh mahal secara PER dan Break OUT price pada IHSG 2400 Sell Saham Gorengan High kolesterol and Buy low kolesterol regard IFM APUT
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
trader, saat merah atau ijo harus tetap PeDe menyesuaikan strategy dong... kalo yg cuma bisa nonton doang, ya tinggal melongo. ya kan bro? boyz wrote: Ya merah juga Gpp, asal minusnya dikit aja :P Optimis sajalah... IHSG masih BULL, trend-nya blum patah, kan? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cupert@ wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote:
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem ’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SE MUA
bung Rully..mau tanya aja ... statement .. Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,” Rully said. .. itu beneran bung Rully yang bilang ? cuman pingin tahu aja Cougar On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Rully rullymainsa...@gmail.com wrote: PH, Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to court so you can prove your allegation? Salam, Rully - Original Message - *From:* PH™ vaulst...@yahoo.com *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM *Subject:* [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,” he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,” Rully said. But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Pro blem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVE STOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
sambil kita menunggu jawaban penjelasan dari Pak Rully, saya bisa sampaikan bahwa jika Pak Rully masih dongkol atau tdk setuju dengan tindakan manajemen pun, tidak akan bisa melakukan tuntutan secara hukum kepada perusahaan tanpa bisa membuktikan adaya cacat hukum dalam aksi perusahaan apalagi jika semua investor juga telah bisa menerima apa yg telah diumumkan oleh mappi dan diterima oleh otoritas bursa. seberapa banyak mereka yg tidak menerima akuisisi ini telah bergabung dalam KIPS BUMI? seberapa banyak investor yg akan hadir di rups BUMI? apakah benar para investor BUMI peduli dengan aksi perusahaan? apakah para pemegang saham BUMI peduli...? sudahkah menghubungi corsec utk menanyakan agenda undangan RUPS? atau hanya bisa diam saja... menunggu harga naik? :) Cougar Boy wrote: bung Rully..mau tanya aja ... statement .. Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,” Rully said. .. itu beneran bung Rully yang bilang ? cuman pingin tahu aja Cougar On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Rully rullymainsa...@gmail.com mailto:rullymainsa...@gmail.com wrote: PH, Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to court so you can prove your allegation? Salam, Rully - Original Message - *From:* PH™ mailto:vaulst...@yahoo.com *To:* obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM *Subject:* [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
*Eh...? kok malem sih? emangnya Pak DE pake jam bagian mana? huehehe... ato masih mengira saya masih di New York ya...? udah balik ke Jakarta atuh Mas... [?][?][?] * 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Masa kalah sama votingnya bora-bora... heheh.. ayo mbah udah jagain OB selama 9 TAHUN (cmiw), kita sebagian besar blm pernah ngasih apa2 ke mbah. Natal tinggal 6 bulan lagi, apa susahnya nahan 5 lot bnbr selama 6 bulan.. btw bu Fifi ngapain malem2 gini online? Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 13:29, fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com menulis: *Iya neh... Target EL 1000 orang donasi, sekarang sudah 291... warga OB ada 8000, CEPAT daftarkan nama anda dan jumlah lot yang diberikan sebelum ketinggalan kereta. caranya...? klik di *SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93. 338.gif360.gif
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
knp boss misuh2 sendiri, telat dpt barang murah yahh atau jgn2 dah ilang barang kwkwkw dah la boss market gak hr ini doank ada hari senin selasa rabu ada bulan depan juli agustus september , kalo gak yah tungguin murah lagi la, kapan? yah kalo ada crash lagi , pls no offense correct me if i'm wrong thx regards (bukan siapa-siapa dan tidak ingin menjadi siapa-siapa) --- On Fri, 6/19/09, PH™ vaulst...@yahoo.com wrote: From: PH™ vaulst...@yahoo.com Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 11:04 PM Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator — not to mention the interests of small investors — it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,” with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms — PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara — for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders — which was never given — and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out — all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable” level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise — a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,” he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.” Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
Pak DE, Yakin BNBR bisa naik sampai Rp. 500 (50 % of EL Target) hingga end of this year? If yes, I'm willing to donate 20 lot BNBR demi kemajuan OB milis. Hehehe... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:34:07 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Masa kalah sama votingnya bora-bora... heheh.. ayo mbah udah jagain OB selama 9 TAHUN (cmiw), kita sebagian besar blm pernah ngasih apa2 ke mbah. Natal tinggal 6 bulan lagi, apa susahnya nahan 5 lot bnbr selama 6 bulan.. btw bu Fifi ngapain malem2 gini online? Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 13:29, fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com menulis: *Iya neh... Target EL 1000 orang donasi, sekarang sudah 291... warga OB ada 8000, CEPAT daftarkan nama anda dan jumlah lot yang diberikan sebelum ketinggalan kereta. caranya...? klik di *SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93.
[ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PH⢠vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyâs revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. âThe other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumiâs minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: âWe welcome the fact that Bumiâs management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.â Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. âWe will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,â Rully said. But despite the newfound
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@yahoo.comwrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,†he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.†Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,†Rully said. But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders, doubts nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future of corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having aptly characterized the entire affair as “nothing more than a game.†Jakarta Globe
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
sebentar saya ketawa dulu ... (kekeke *dalam hati*) ehhmmm,... EL targetnya 1000 orang pak, buka rp.1000. tapi EL mmang secara implisit bilang bisa kasih gain 5x, atau sekitar 80x5=400. Apakah akan kecapai? walahualam, nanti kita lihat desember. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 15:00, Jacob Oen oenja...@yahoo.com menulis: Pak DE, Yakin BNBR bisa naik sampai Rp. 500 (50 % of EL Target) hingga end of this year? If yes, I'm willing to donate 20 lot BNBR demi kemajuan OB milis. Hehehe... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: Dean Earwicker *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:34:07 +0700 *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Masa kalah sama votingnya bora-bora... heheh.. ayo mbah udah jagain OB selama 9 TAHUN (cmiw), kita sebagian besar blm pernah ngasih apa2 ke mbah. Natal tinggal 6 bulan lagi, apa susahnya nahan 5 lot bnbr selama 6 bulan.. btw bu Fifi ngapain malem2 gini online? Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 13:29, fifi young fifiyoun...@gmail.com menulis: *Iya neh... Target EL 1000 orang donasi, sekarang sudah 291... warga OB ada 8000, CEPAT daftarkan nama anda dan jumlah lot yang diberikan sebelum ketinggalan kereta. caranya...? klik di *SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93.
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB. -Original Message- From: harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â€� he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is
[ob] ARM
Embah, kemarin ada berita yang mengatakan 27 kepala negara UNI EROPA ngasih statement bahwa mereka melihat tanda pertama SUSTAINABLE ECONOMIC RECOVERY, jadi mereka menganggap stimulus tambahan sudah tidak perlu seperti policy BUDGET DEFICIT, nah bagaimana tentang berita bahaya ARM ini. ARM Picu Krisis Baru Bencana Kegagalan Hipotek Segera Terjadi Sabtu, 20 Juni 2009 | 07:00 WIB WASHINGTON, KOMPAS.com — Para pakar ekonomi memperingatkan, sebuah gelombang baru bencana keuangan dalam bentuk kegagalan bayar surat utang bernama ARM segera datang. Besaran jumlahnya mengimbangi bahkan melebihi bencana akibat kehancuran sektor properti di AS tahun 2008. Potensi bencana baru itu akan mempersulit keadaan ekonomi yang belum pulih akibat kejatuhan perumahan AS, yang mengorbankan triliunan dana perbankan global, yang memicu krisis ekonomi. Jenis surat utang itu diberi nama adjustable rate mortgage (ARM), surat utang dengan suku bunga yang selalu disesuaikan dengan kondisi pasar. Makin tinggi suku bunga, makin besar beban bayar dan sebaliknya. Jumlah ARM yang statusnya meragukan saat ini sekitar 230 miliar dollar AS. Ini adalah turunan dari produk-produk pinjaman ”kreatif” yang banyak ditawarkan pada saat bisnis perumahan AS mengalami masa jaya. Seorang peminjam surat utang ARM bisa melakukan cicilan pembayaran lebih rendah dari seharusnya setiap bulan. Namun, sisa pinjamannya dimasukkan ke dalam pokok pinjaman yang jumlahnya terus membengkak. Banyak pakar telah memperkirakan akan terjadinya ledakan gagal bayar pada musim semi 2009, atau lebih dari 564.000 unit ARM. Kegagalan bayar itu kini masih bisa terselamatkan karena suku bunga sedang turun hingga tingkat terendah sepanjang sejarah. Hal ini menunda ledakan ARM, yang oleh banyak pengamat perumahan dianggap sebagai bom waktu. Dikatakan bom waktu karena peminjam ARM belum bisa menuntaskan utang yang pernah dipakai untuk membeli rumah di masa lalu. Karena tidak bisa membayar utang, pembeli rumah diberi pinjaman baru melalui ARM. Dengan kata lain, ARM dipakai untuk mengatasi kegagalan bayar surat utang sebelumnya, yang disebut sebagai subprime mortgage. Ini adalah surat utang dengan kualitas rendah, yang melahirkan krisis yang disebut sebagai subprime mortgage crisis. ”Mereka kemungkinan akan gagal bayar dan akan membuat ledakan subprime tampak lebih kecil,” kata Rick Sharga, Wakil Presiden Senior RealtyTrac, peneliti sita jaminan di Irvine, California. ARM berjangka waktu lima tahun, yang umum ditawarkan antara tahun 2004-2007. Pinjaman-pinjaman ARM itu sangat rentan gagal bayar di negara-negara bagian seperti California, Florida, dan Nevada, daerah tempat harga-harga rumah telah turun jauh. Di wilayah ini banyak pemilik rumah kini masih kesulitan membayar utang. Pembayaran bulanan atas surat-surat utang ini akan segera disesuaikan dengan tingkat suku bunga pinjaman yang lebih tinggi antara tahun 2009 dan 2012. Bahayakan ekonomi Elizabeth Warren, profesor hukum dari Universitas Harvard, menilai warisan ARM itu membahayakan ekonomi AS. Pemegang surat utang ARM rentan terhadap penyitaan rumah. Jumlah potensi gagal bayar telah mencapai lebih dari satu juta hanya antara Maret hingga Mei 2009. ”Kita tidak akan bisa memulihkan kembali nilai perumahan ketika sebuah risiko serius menghadang bahwa serangkaian surat utang akan runtuh,” kata Warren. Asosiasi Bankir Hipotik (MBA), yang mewakili para pemberi surat utang, berpandangan lebih optimistis. Michael Fratantoni, Wakil Ketua Peneliti MBA, mengatakan, ARM tak akan menjadi masalah seperti yang dibayangkan banyak orang. Harapan untuk menghindari kegagalan bayar ARM adalah pemulihan ekonomi. (AP/OKI) http://bisniskeuangan.kompas.com/read/xml/2009/06/20/07001365/arm.picu.krisis.baru
[ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Cougar Boy boysngi...@... wrote: maaf bozz ... d terlalu esmosi neh ... masa org yg mau bela2in investor bumi , dituduh terima suap itu manusia atau bukan tu ??? :)) lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@...wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, PH⢠vaulstrad@ wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyâs revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. âThe other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumiâs minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: âWe welcome the fact that Bumiâs management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.â Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. âWe will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,â Rully said.
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santai aja bos harry, kalo menuduh orang terima suap artinya menuduh yg memberi suap juga. ini pertama kalinya KIPS BUMI bisa kolaborasi dengan manajemen BUMI untuk menjemput PH di rumahnya jika masalah ini tidak diklarifikasi. kawan team IT chatroom siap membantu melacak rumah, kantor ataupun warnet yg dipakai PH. harrywijaya81 wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â€� he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.â€� Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,â€� Rully said. But despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s shareholders, doubts
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Itu kenyataan? kenapa bisa pindah pihak?? pikir donk.. ini si logika kali.. masih nunggu kapan cepet selesai... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PH⢠vaulstrad@ wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyâs revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. âThe other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumiâs minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: âWe welcome the fact that Bumiâs management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.â Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi
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I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasant...@... wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PH⢠vaulst...@... Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com PH⢠wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyâs revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. âThe other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in
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Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks From: Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@.. . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,†he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.†Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. “We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we
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OK GUA RALAT DECH BUAT RULLY.. GUE CUMAN KESEL AJA KENAPA DIA CEPET BGT BERUBAH PENDAPAT. MAAF BUAT PAK RULLY. BUT PLEASE GIVE US PROPER REASON. KARENA KITA BANYAK YG SUDAH BACK YOU UP FOR THAT REASON. NOW YOU TURN US DOWN. Dari article di bawah saja sudah jelas orang sudah judge kita jelek. In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). you see?? ...suddenly saying they are happy with decision of the capital market... Please ini sangat merusak kreabilitas bursa saham kita. Gimana Asing bisa stay lama disini dan beli di harga premium di banding dengan negara2 lain nya. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB. -Original Message- From: harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PH⢠vaulstrad@ wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the
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maaf judge from that article aja :) kelepasan. Tapi kenapa bisa cepet berubah yah. gimana kita bisa di pandang oleh orang lain??? that from jakarta globe indonesia yah. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Cougar Boy boysngirls@ wrote: maaf bozz ... d terlalu esmosi neh ... masa org yg mau bela2in investor bumi , dituduh terima suap itu manusia atau bukan tu ??? :)) lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, PH⢠vaulstrad@ wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyâs revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. âThe other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumiâs minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: âWe welcome the fact that Bumiâs management is willing to renegotiate and seek a
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--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, bank bni bankbni...@... wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks From: Cougar Boy boysngi...@... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ⢠vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ââ¬ËNo Probe? No Problemââ¬â¢ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorââ¬â¢s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â⬠not to mention the interests of small investors â⬠it now appears that itââ¬â¢s a case of ââ¬Åout of sight, out of mind,â⬠with analysts and even Bumiââ¬â¢s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiââ¬â¢s purchase of three coal firms â⬠PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â⬠for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â⬠which was never given â⬠ÃÂand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiââ¬â¢s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â⬠all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a ââ¬Åreasonableâ⬠level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â⬠a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyââ¬â¢s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. ââ¬ÅThe other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â⬠he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumiââ¬â¢s minority
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Is there any proof of this statement: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasant...@... wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com PHâ„¢ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20
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gak perlu buktilah Oom ... gw gak suka counter BG sih ... hehehe ... canda Oom... kalem aja lah ... ini kan OB, inget OB! Jadi ya kayak gini, kalo gak suka kan tinggal unsubscribe saja tho ... terus kalo kangen lagi ya tinggal subscribe lagi, kan cuma cepek ceng doang lah ... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com From: harrywijay...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:24:31 + Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, bank bni bankbni...@... wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks From: Cougar Boy boysngi...@... To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of â€Åout of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †ÂÂand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a â€Åreasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question
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Sorry rully that me just upset from the article from Jakarta Globe. There is no need to go to court to prove. because i have nothing to prove. I am one of the minority shareholder. Of course we depend on you. Please kindly explain why there is sudden change. My mistake for my statement. I fully take it back. Hope you forgive me. Of course all statement below are for jokes only. Like margin call etc. But if you take that seriously I am sorry. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rully rullymainsa...@... wrote: PH, Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to court so you can prove your allegation? Salam, Rully - Original Message - From: PH⢠To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyâs revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. âThe other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumiâs minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: âWe welcome the fact that Bumiâs management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.â Rully said that since the transactions were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose this coming Friday. âWe will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the affiliation issue if we
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
The article is not yours, but this statement is : Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu May I Know the reason behind that statement ? Btw: Tanda Alam, Milis Dibikin Rame. RUPS sebentar lagi. :) Be There, Be Behind or Left Behind Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasant...@... wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com PHâ„¢ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Pak Paul SUDAH minta maaf dan sudah MENARIK statement yg menyinggung pak Rully... Pak Rully juga menerima permintaan maaf pak Paul kan ?. Case is CLOSED... We are all brother and sister, rite ?. Embah tadi sengaja melepaskan perdebatan ini dimilis untuk menjadi pembelajaran: - Kalo posting, konsentrasi pada masalah dan jangan pada PRIBADI, Kalo pak Paul mengutarakan masalahnya pada pak Rully secara baik baik, kan engga akan ada KERIBUTAN ini. Malah akan jadi topik yg menarik. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vaulstrad vaulst...@... wrote: Sorry rully that me just upset from the article from Jakarta Globe. There is no need to go to court to prove. because i have nothing to prove. I am one of the minority shareholder. Of course we depend on you. Please kindly explain why there is sudden change. My mistake for my statement. I fully take it back. Hope you forgive me. Of course all statement below are for jokes only. Like margin call etc. But if you take that seriously I am sorry. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rully rullymainsaham@ wrote: PH, Would you be kind enough to clarify this allegation? Or should we go to court so you can prove your allegation? Salam, Rully - Original Message - From: PH⢠To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 12:04 PM Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a âreasonableâ level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyâs revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. âThe other issues become irrelevant if the
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Like i say before I have no reason except that i am disappointed with the leader. I do not even know him. That my mistake. I am sorry for that. I add that margin call all bullshit because i am just upset at that moment. I realise now that i make mistake and do not think properly at that time. So there is no reason to follow this up. Like i say i am sorry. Everyone have the right to be upset. maybe mine is just too much. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Ruz7 indeksbei3...@... wrote: The article is not yours, but this statement is : Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu May I Know the reason behind that statement ? Btw: Tanda Alam, Milis Dibikin Rame. RUPS sebentar lagi. :) Be There, Be Behind or Left Behind Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasantoso@ wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject:[ob] Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PH⢠vaulstrad@ Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com PH⢠wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: âNo Probe? No Problemâ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâs apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â not to mention the interests of small investors â it now appears that itâs a case of âout of sight, out of mind,â with analysts and even Bumiâs minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâs purchase of three coal firms â PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â which was never given â Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâs owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
maaf pak harry. tidak ada yg perlu di lanjutkan.
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@...
wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote:
gini pak ...
bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ...
tp jgn main nuduh aza ...
apa dia d ada bukti ???
kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ???
Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan
atuh
Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum
Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok
tuh...pak Admin user nya.
Tks
From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
lebih tepat jari kali ya :D
ini kan email...
joke :D
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com
wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ⢠vaulstrad@ . wrote:
PH ...
kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ...
w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ...
kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn
sensitif gt donk tolol .
mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ...
rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap .
KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP .
DASAR TOLOL ...
Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(
Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
tertentu
- - -
Bumi Investors Say: ââ¬ËNo Probe? No Problemââ¬â¢
In
2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the
Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the
market regulatorââ¬â¢s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources
probe,
nothing much has changed.
However, despite the potential
damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â⬠not to
mention the interests of small investors â⬠it now appears that
itââ¬â¢s a
case of ââ¬Åout of sight, out of mind,â⬠with analysts and even
Bumiââ¬â¢s
minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision
of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency
(Bapepam-LK) .
In January, the agency launched a probe into the
Bumiââ¬â¢s purchase of three coal firms â⬠PT Darma Henwa, PT
Fajar Bumi
Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â⬠for a total of Rp 6.18
trillion
($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that
the acquisitions were overpriced.
It was also alleged that the
acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval
of Bumi shareholders â⬠which was never given â⬠ÃÂand that
some of the
coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiââ¬â¢s owners, the Bakrie
group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements.
However,
after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of
an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was
that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp
370 billion too high.
But even here Bumi was given an easy way
out â⬠all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down
to a
ââ¬Åreasonableâ⬠level, which it says it is now in the process of
doing.
The
market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction
question, saying that since the transactions took place in different
fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â⬠a view that
many
would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the
transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa
was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi
Sakti on Jan. 7.
Capital market regulations designed to
protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to
seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10
percent of the companyââ¬â¢s revenue or 20 percent of its market
value. In
this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required
such approval had they not been completed in different years.
On
the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its
investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the
question is now irrelevant.
Indra Safitri, an independent
capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its
actions on the findings of the
AW: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ -
duh. untung gue ga ngerti inggris. lg pada ngomongin apaan sih? Von: Ruz7 indeksbei3...@gmail.com An: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: Samstag, den 20. Juni 2009, 15:32:00 Uhr Betreff: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA The article is not yours, but this statement is : Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu May I Know the reason behind that statement ? Btw: Tanda Alam, Milis Dibikin Rame. RUPS sebentar lagi. :) Be There, Be Behind or Left Behind Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasant...@... wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com PHâ„¢ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did
[ob] MiNTA MAAF Untuk PAK RULLY
Dear Pak Rully, Saya personally minta maaf atas statement saya apabila statement saya membuat bapak marah atau tidak senang.
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya.
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@...
wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote:
gini pak ...
bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ...
tp jgn main nuduh aza ...
apa dia d ada bukti ???
kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ???
Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan
atuh
Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum
Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok
tuh...pak Admin user nya.
Tks
From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
lebih tepat jari kali ya :D
ini kan email...
joke :D
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com
wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ⢠vaulstrad@ . wrote:
PH ...
kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ...
w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ...
kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn
sensitif gt donk tolol .
mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ...
rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap .
KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP .
DASAR TOLOL ...
Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(
Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
tertentu
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Bumi Investors Say: ââ¬ËNo Probe? No Problemââ¬â¢
In
2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the
Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the
market regulatorââ¬â¢s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources
probe,
nothing much has changed.
However, despite the potential
damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â⬠not to
mention the interests of small investors â⬠it now appears that
itââ¬â¢s a
case of ââ¬Åout of sight, out of mind,â⬠with analysts and even
Bumiââ¬â¢s
minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision
of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency
(Bapepam-LK) .
In January, the agency launched a probe into the
Bumiââ¬â¢s purchase of three coal firms â⬠PT Darma Henwa, PT
Fajar Bumi
Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â⬠for a total of Rp 6.18
trillion
($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that
the acquisitions were overpriced.
It was also alleged that the
acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval
of Bumi shareholders â⬠which was never given â⬠ÃÂand that
some of the
coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiââ¬â¢s owners, the Bakrie
group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements.
However,
after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of
an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was
that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp
370 billion too high.
But even here Bumi was given an easy way
out â⬠all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down
to a
ââ¬Åreasonableâ⬠level, which it says it is now in the process of
doing.
The
market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction
question, saying that since the transactions took place in different
fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â⬠a view that
many
would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the
transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa
was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi
Sakti on Jan. 7.
Capital market regulations designed to
protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to
seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10
percent of the companyââ¬â¢s revenue or 20 percent of its market
value. In
this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required
such approval had they not been completed in different years.
On
the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its
investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the
question is now irrelevant.
Indra Safitri, an independent
capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its
actions on the findings
Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: 'No Probe? No Problem' - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Rully is the founder of KIPS BUMI who was quoted as a representative of Bumi's minority shareholders. He is not part of MAPPI members. KIPS BUMI is on investor's side. where do u stand? Vaulstrad wrote: I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasant...@... wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com PHâ„¢ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming
Re: [ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
Maaf Pak PH, Bp anggota KIPS juga ? Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:11:03 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! Itu kenyataan? kenapa bisa pindah pihak?? pikir donk.. ini si logika kali.. masih nunggu kapan cepet selesai... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@... wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â€� he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified
Re: AW: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ -
Guten Abend Mr. CC Would you like me to translate in German ? :) Btw, WIKA bagaimana Bos ? TP akhir tahun brp :) Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Cleopatras Cat cleopatras.c...@yahoo.de Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:42:15 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: AW: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - duh. untung gue ga ngerti inggris. lg pada ngomongin apaan sih? Von: Ruz7 indeksbei3...@gmail.com An: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: Samstag, den 20. Juni 2009, 15:32:00 Uhr Betreff: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA The article is not yours, but this statement is : Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu May I Know the reason behind that statement ? Btw: Tanda Alam, Milis Dibikin Rame. RUPS sebentar lagi. :) Be There, Be Behind or Left Behind Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasant...@... wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com PHâ„¢ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets,
[ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :)
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vaulstrad vaulst...@... wrote: gpp sir ... saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar mohon dimaafkan jg ... :) kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :) maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ⢠vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ââ¬ËNo Probe? No Problemââ¬â¢ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorââ¬â¢s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â⬠not to mention the interests of small investors â⬠it now appears that itââ¬â¢s a case of ââ¬Åout of sight, out of mind,â⬠with analysts and even Bumiââ¬â¢s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiââ¬â¢s purchase of three coal firms â⬠PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â⬠for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders â⬠which was never given â⬠ÃÂand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiââ¬â¢s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out â⬠all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a ââ¬Åreasonableâ⬠level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â⬠a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the companyââ¬â¢s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such
Re: [ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :)
Nah, karena sudah bermaaf2-an (mirip lebaran), gimana biar tambah akrab, dilanjut dengan plesiran bareng. kebetulan ada bos Freeport mau ke jakarta 1 hari lagi ya ? -toto- On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@yahoo.comwrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Vaulstrad vaulst...@... wrote: gpp sir ... saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar mohon dimaafkan jg ... :) kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :) maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of â€Åout of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †ÂÂand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a â€Åreasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi
[ob] Tuduhan: Ketua KIPS makan suap
sekedar pembelajaran buat kita semua, harap memahami dengan baik apa yg kita baca dan hati-hati dalam menuduh oarng di depan publik. penjelasan dan minta maafnya vaulst...@yahoo.com di milis OB sudah cukup bagi saya. Kiranya maalah ini boleh ditutup sampai di sini saja. kelihatannya beliau salah paham karena tdk mengerti apa tujuan KIPS BUMI dan pernyataan Pak Rully. saya undang vaulstrad utk bertemu saya jika ingin lebih jelas mengenai perjuangan KIPS BUMI. Original Message Subject:RE: [KIPS-BUMI] Tuduhan: Ketua KIPS makan suap Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:41:56 +0700 From: Aria Santoso To: kips-b...@yahoogroups.com dalam pemberitaan oleh Jakarta Globe, Pak Rully mewakili suara pemegang saham minoritas. *Meanwhile, *a representative of Bumi's minority shareholders*, Rully Oetomo, said: We welcome the fact that Bumi's management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar Bumi.* dan *representative of Minority shareholder* dituduh oleh vaulst...@yahoo.com mailto:vaulst...@yahoo.com melalui posting email di milis OB telah menerima suap. **Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(** untuk kawan2 semua: saya ingin kita coba merenungkan perbedaan antara hukum etika. pelanggaran hukum bisa dituntut tapi pelanggaran etika tidak bisa dituntut. contoh sederhana: * jika saya mengambil barang milik anda tanpa ijin walaupun nilainya kecil, maka saya bisa dituntut karena bisa dikenakan pasal pencurian selama ada bukti dan saksi. * jika saya melukai anda, maka saya bisa dituntut karena bisa dikenakan pasal penganiayaan selama ada bukti dan saksi. * jika saya meludahi anda di muka umum, maka saya bisa dituntut karena bisa dikenakan pasal perbuatan tidak menyenangkan selama ada saksi yg cukup. * jika saya kentut di dekat anda, dan saya tidak mengaku. anda tinggal kebauan, dongkol, tapi saya tidak bisa dituntut. hanya secara etika pergaulan saya akan tidak disukai jika memiliki kebiasaan seperti itu. apakah anda bisa menuntut mereka yg tidak terbukti bersalah secara hukum? terlepas dari anda suka atau tidak suka. itulah kenyataannya... *Sent:* Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:07 PM *To:* kips-b...@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* RE: [KIPS-BUMI] Tuduhan: Ketua KIPS makan suap Lho koq jadi pak Rully yang kena tuduhan? Setahu saya yang melakukan penilaian itu kan MAPPI bukan KIPS-BUMI. Emang ketua MAPPI nya pak Rully juga? To: kips-b...@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:57:33 +0700 Subject: [KIPS-BUMI] Tuduhan: Ketua KIPS makan suap Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: 'No Probe? No Problem' - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PHT vaulst...@yahoo.com mailto:vaulst...@yahoo.com Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: 'No Probe? No Problem' In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator's apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator - not to mention the interests of small investors - it now appears that it's a case of out of sight, out of mind, with analysts and even Bumi's minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi's purchase of three coal firms - PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara - for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders - which was never given - -and that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi's owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out - all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
saya siap pertemukan anda dengan Pak Rully apa back up yang bisa anda berikan? apakah anda member KIPS BUMI? Vaulstrad wrote: OK GUA RALAT DECH BUAT RULLY.. GUE CUMAN KESEL AJA KENAPA DIA CEPET BGT BERUBAH PENDAPAT. MAAF BUAT PAK RULLY. BUT PLEASE GIVE US PROPER REASON. KARENA KITA BANYAK YG SUDAH BACK YOU UP FOR THAT REASON. NOW YOU TURN US DOWN. Dari article di bawah saja sudah jelas orang sudah judge kita jelek. In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). you see?? ...suddenly saying they are happy with decision of the capital market... Please ini sangat merusak kreabilitas bursa saham kita. Gimana Asing bisa stay lama disini dan beli di harga premium di banding dengan negara2 lain nya. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB. -Original Message- From: harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,â€� with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonableâ€� level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
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Gathering Room #OB dong.. Setelah RUPS aja .. Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: toto aja tototj...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:53:44 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :) Nah, karena sudah bermaaf2-an (mirip lebaran), gimana biar tambah akrab, dilanjut dengan plesiran bareng. kebetulan ada bos Freeport mau ke jakarta 1 hari lagi ya ? -toto- On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:48 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijay...@yahoo.comwrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Vaulstrad vaulst...@... wrote: gpp sir ... saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar mohon dimaafkan jg ... :) kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :) maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh...weleh..., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@ To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email... joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of â€Åout of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †ÂÂand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a â€Åreasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material
[ob] Technical Analysis untuk saham SIDEWAYS
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Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UD AH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
if you upset pls think with cool headed man, not like childreen, sudden judge
the other or yelling at, hope you and we all take a learn from this happen
correct me if i'm wrong
thx
regards
(bukan siapa-siapa dan tidak ingin menjadi siapa-siapa)
--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 4:36 AM
Like i say before I have no reason except that i am disappointed with the
leader. I do not even know him. That my mistake. I am sorry for that.
I add that margin call all bullshit because i am just upset at that moment. I
realise now that i make mistake and do not think properly at that time.
So there is no reason to follow this up. Like i say i am sorry.
Everyone have the right to be upset. maybe mine is just too much.
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Ruz7 indeksbei3000@ ... wrote:
The article is not yours, but this statement is :
Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(
Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
tertentu
May I Know the reason behind that statement ?
Btw: Tanda Alam, Milis Dibikin Rame. RUPS sebentar lagi. :)
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-Original Message-
From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@. ..
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
I guess it is about how you stand.
first for that article, i am not the writer.
Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI
still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how
you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome.
If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour.
This is call independent.
I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority
shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take
longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom.
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Aria Santoso ariasantoso@ wrote:
Dear PH,
I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics.
Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us;
however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so
we can't take any legal action.
In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us.
It's about ethics in social relationship.
Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to
ensure that you will settle it.
Cordially,
Ace
Original Message
Subject:[ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE
BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@
Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
PHâ„¢ wrote:
Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;(
Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
tertentu
- - -
Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’
In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the
Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the
market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe,
nothing much has changed.
However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse
and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors â€
it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,�
with
analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they
are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial
Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) .
In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of
three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo
Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after
an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions
were
[ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Sebelumnya terima kasih buat kawan2 member OB semuanya. Dari ribut2 di milis ini saya telah menemukan TANDA2 ALAM bahwa market akan berbalik arah. Salam cut loss, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish™ May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Frederick Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:16 PM To: OB Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB. From: harrywijaya81 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,†he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: “We welcome the fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek a better price for Fajar
Re: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Balik keatas kan? Regards, DE 2009/6/20 Yudizz yudiz...@gmail.com Sebelumnya terima kasih buat kawan2 member OB semuanya. Dari ribut2 di milis ini saya telah menemukan TANDA2 ALAM bahwa market akan berbalik arah. Salam cut loss, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish™ May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Frederick Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:16 PM To: OB Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB. From: harrywijaya81 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,†he said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in abandoning its affiliation probe. Meanwhile, a representative of Bumi’s
Re: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Maksudnya berbalik arah dr bullish ke bearish ato dari bearish ke bullish Pak Yudizz? SOL Sent from TradingBerry® sponsored by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Yudizz yudiz...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:12:58 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS Sebelumnya terima kasih buat kawan2 member OB semuanya. Dari ribut2 di milis ini saya telah menemukan TANDA2 ALAM bahwa market akan berbalik arah. Salam cut loss, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish™ May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Frederick Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:16 PM To: OB Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB. From: harrywijaya81 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the findings of the independent appraiser. “The other issues become irrelevant if
Re: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Yup , you're absolutely right . Baru aja gua mau bilang , kalo barang yg kemaren kucuci gudang , kayaknya mulai besok bisa dapat harga bawah nih ! Hahaha Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone from Sinyal Bagus XL, Nyambung Teruuusss...! -Original Message- From: Yudizz yudiz...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:12:58 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS Sebelumnya terima kasih buat kawan2 member OB semuanya. Dari ribut2 di milis ini saya telah menemukan TANDA2 ALAM bahwa market akan berbalik arah. Salam cut loss, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish™ May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Frederick Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:16 PM To: OB Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB. From: harrywijaya81 Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:04:23 - To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, PHâ„¢ vaulst...@... wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu --- Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of “out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK). In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †Âand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a “reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7. Capital market regulations designed to protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10 percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market value. In this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required such approval had they not been completed in different years. On the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the question is now irrelevant. Indra Safitri, an independent capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its actions on the
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
Jangan lupa topik utamanya BUMI membeli DEWA (secara tidak langsung) di harga 354/lb. saham sementara harganya di pasar saat itu 61/lb. saham. Kalah boleh, asal jangan lupa. Jadi, untuk investasi jangka panjang, perusahaan apa saja yang masih tepercaya (nggak beli barang kemahalan, jual kemurahan, produksi di bawah normal)?
RE: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Pake ilmu psikologi aja. Dengan adanya ribut2 ini menunjukkan bahwa secara mental para pelaku market sudah LEMAH. Tidak ada persatuan menunjukan tidak ada lagi perasaan OPTIMIS. Kalo bandar mau gebuk itu tinggal masalah waktu doang. Semudah Manny Pacquiao meng-KO Ricky Hatton. Mudah2an saya salah, karena saya memang bukan pakar bandarmologi. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of re...@trade Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:17 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS Maksudnya berbalik arah dr bullish ke bearish ato dari bearish ke bullish Pak Yudizz? SOL Sent from TradingBerry® sponsored by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT From: Yudizz Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:12:58 +0700 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS Sebelumnya terima kasih buat kawan2 member OB semuanya. Dari ribut2 di milis ini saya telah menemukan TANDA2 ALAM bahwa market akan berbalik arah. Salam cut loss, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Frederick Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:16 PM To: OB Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! Jangan berantem dehh... Kalo rully bener2 bisa dibuktikan terima duit... Silahkan dimaki-maki. Kita se milis ngolok2in juga no problem. Tapi kalo lu ngga bisa buktikan YOU OWE RULLY A VERY VERY BIG APOLOGY. Minimum di publikasikan di OB.
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
Yang dulu beli herald gak ditanya-tanya? udah jadi apa sekarang? apakah udah mulai nambang? http://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/07/18/08322630/bumi.sudah.jadi.pemilik.mayoritas.herald Note: berita lama Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 16:21, herman ardiyanto herman.ardiya...@gmail.commenulis: Jangan lupa topik utamanya BUMI membeli DEWA (secara tidak langsung) di harga 354/lb. saham sementara harganya di pasar saat itu 61/lb. saham. Kalah boleh, asal jangan lupa. Jadi, untuk investasi jangka panjang, perusahaan apa saja yang masih tepercaya (nggak beli barang kemahalan, jual kemurahan, produksi di bawah normal)?
AW: AW: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Pr obe? No Problem’ -
Guten Abend, p R7 [ - suka Ronaldo yaa? ] translate ke german kalimat yg mana p R7? WIKA? anno 09 ini? lha wong target saya sampai saya balik kampung lg kok. saya masih punya ber ember2 WIKA. Dezember ini saya mo daftar les inggris lho. biar ngerti tadi lg ngomongin apaan. kayanya les intensive 13 minggu sama Mbak Mano bisa deh. - inggris nya fasih yaa. ini ada sedikit penggalan unek2 dari salah seorang sahabat di DE. saya terjemahkan dengan bahasa BCL yaa. biar pas ga kaku kaku pisan. tidak perlu ditanggapi serius. diterima apa adanya saja. Nachdem ich die Knaben von der B**I-Leitung zusammengestaucht habe, hat man sich das dort offenbar hinter die Ohren geschrieben !! Das erquickliche Kursziel von (EUR 0,18) sowie das motivierende Rating (Maintain BUY) beweisen es ja ... Jetzt muss sich der ganze Salat nur noch in die Tat umsetzen !??An dieser Stelle Vielen Dank für die Mühe !! setelah gue marah2 in menyatakan ketidaksukaan gue kepada beberapa orang yg duduk di , rasanya mereka mulai mencamkan nya setidaknya memperhatikan nya. TP 0,18 EURO sebagaimana jg Vorschlag yg disampaikan u/ [maintain BUY] setidaknya ya membuktikan bahwa memang ada usaha ke arah itu. Sekarang semuanya tergantung yg menjalankannya u/ mencapai tujuan kita bersama. Dalam hal ini gue sampaikan terima kasih u/ bantuan nya!! Von: Ruz7 indeksbei3...@gmail.com An: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Gesendet: Samstag, den 20. Juni 2009, 15:47:19 Uhr Betreff: Re: AW: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - Guten Abend Mr. CC Would you like me to translate in German ? :) Btw, WIKA bagaimana Bos ? TP akhir tahun brp :) Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® From: Cleopatras Cat Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:42:15 + (GMT) To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: AW: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - duh. untung gue ga ngerti inggris. lg pada ngomongin apaan sih? Von: Ruz7 indeksbei3000@ gmail.com An: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Gesendet: Samstag, den 20. Juni 2009, 15:32:00 Uhr Betreff: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA The article is not yours, but this statement is : Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu May I Know the reason behind that statement ? Btw: Tanda Alam, Milis Dibikin Rame. RUPS sebentar lagi. :) Be There, Be Behind or Left Behind Powered By FREN BondBerry. (Bayar Pake Daun). Indeksbei3000® -Original Message- From: Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo. com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 08:16:23 To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA I guess it is about how you stand. first for that article, i am not the writer. Of course i know that if we keep talking this issue never resolve and BUMI still at the lowest level. But it is not about the share price. This is how you should stand. Even Mappi can extend time to talk to BUMI for the outcome. If BUMI agree that it is publish. If not let adjust it to everyone favour. This is call independent. I believe that he should stand for us. that what the leader of minority shareholder right? maybe he forget. He is just worries if this thing take longer time BUMI share price will be at rock bottom. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, Aria Santoso ariasantoso@ ... wrote: Dear PH, I suppose that u need to learn about the difference of law ethics. Should u do fart in front of us, it would be unfavorable to many of us; however we couldn't sue you for that. It's not a law-breaking thing so we can't take any legal action. In fact we are not happy for that action and the bad smell left for us. It's about ethics in social relationship. Below allegation in public is managed under law. Please be so kind to ensure that you will settle it. Cordially, Ace Original Message Subject: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:04:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PHâ„¢ vaulst...@.. . Reply-To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com PHâ„¢ wrote: Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
Perlu dicatat juga tuh, Pak. Masuk company profile versi investor. 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Yang dulu beli herald gak ditanya-tanya? udah jadi apa sekarang? apakah udah mulai nambang? http://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/07/18/08322630/bumi.sudah.jadi.pemilik.mayoritas.herald Note: berita lama Regards, DE
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
emang penting ya ?? berapa ya harganya.. kalau gak salah antara 2.5 - 5T 2009/6/20 Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com Yang dulu beli herald gak ditanya-tanya? udah jadi apa sekarang? apakah udah mulai nambang? http://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/07/18/08322630/bumi.sudah.jadi.pemilik.mayoritas.herald Note: berita lama Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 16:21, herman ardiyanto herman.ardiya...@gmail.commenulis: Jangan lupa topik utamanya BUMI membeli DEWA (secara tidak langsung) di harga 354/lb. saham sementara harganya di pasar saat itu 61/lb. saham. Kalah boleh, asal jangan lupa. Jadi, untuk investasi jangka panjang, perusahaan apa saja yang masih tepercaya (nggak beli barang kemahalan, jual kemurahan, produksi di bawah normal)?
Re: [ob] Technical Analysis untuk saham SIDEWAYS
Pak Jimmy Yth, coba pake mata telanjang aja dulu pak. Saat anda menentukan saham tsb sedang sideways artinya sdh menggunakan metode membacaan ciri trend. SimilarHigh/SimilarLow. Tinggal tentukan area Support Resistance-nya. Supaya jelas, kira-kiranya, saya lampirkan contoh nyata dengan menggunakan saham bei. salam, ace jimmywidj...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Guys... Kalo untuk saham sideways..kira kira teknikal analisisnya cocok pake apa ya ? Thank You Guys... Jimmy Lesmana Widjaya Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT inline: sideways.png
Re: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Pak Yudizz, Yang ribut kan cuma saya, jadi cuma saya yang mentalnya lemah. yang lain nyantai aja... semua member OB sini mentalnya kuat. terbukti mampu melewati bearish 2008 dan survive! saya satu2nya member milis OB yang paling lemah mentalnya. Salam, ace Yudizz wrote: Pake ilmu psikologi aja. Dengan adanya ribut2 ini menunjukkan bahwa secara mental para pelaku market sudah LEMAH. Tidak ada persatuan menunjukan tidak ada lagi perasaan OPTIMIS. Kalo bandar mau gebuk itu tinggal masalah waktu doang. Semudah Manny Pacquiao meng-KO Ricky Hatton. Mudah2an saya salah, karena saya memang bukan pakar bandarmologi. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish™ May The BULL Be With You + + + + + + + Mohon saat meREPLY posting, text dari posting lama dihapus kecuali diperlukan agar CONTEXTnya jelas. + + + + + + +Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:obrolan-bandar-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:obrolan-bandar-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: obrolan-bandar-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[ob] Buy, sudah Oversold ?
Menurut saya, Kalau baca grafik, hampir semua emiten, ternyata.. rata-rata sudah terlihat oversold Coba cek, grafik emiten berikut: Banking : BBRI, BDMN, dll. Tambang : ANTM, TINS dll. Property : CTRP, SMRA, dll. Konsumer : INDF, dll. Manufactur: ASII, UNTR dll. Rabu-Kamis kemarin, IHSG turunnya cukup dalam, bila dibanding dgn index regional lainnya.. Wallstreet sudah konsolidasi/naik, bahkan NASDAQ +1,09, padahal hari jum,at menjelang libur lho.. Pertanyaannya, Buy? wait see ?? atau nunggu naik? -- Thanks, (Ngobrol yg lebih bermanfaat, lebih baik)-on disclaimer
Re: [ob] MiNTA MAAF Untuk PAK RULLY
Sangat gentleman sekali. Salut Hope selesai, peace aahhh On 6/20/09, Vaulstrad vaulst...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Pak Rully, Saya personally minta maaf atas statement saya apabila statement saya membuat bapak marah atau tidak senang. -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
Ndak perlu. Dulu pake nama fuyi kan ya? Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 16:52, noknik anip...@gmail.com menulis: yang dulu sudah ndaftar nggak perlu ndaftar lagi khan Pak DE?... saya coba klik SINI nya nggak berhasil. Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:19, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.commenulis: berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93. -- nokniik
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
yang dulu sudah ndaftar nggak perlu ndaftar lagi khan Pak DE?... saya coba klik SINI nya nggak berhasil. Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:19, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com menulis: berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93. -- nokniik
RE: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Kalo mau kuat2an mental sama Pak Rei aja tuh. PTBA dibanting dari 17000 ke 4000, dia santai2 aja, malah bisa buy lagi at lowest. Andai semua investor lokal kita mentalnya seperti beliau pasti udah maju bursa kita ini. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI BerbullishT May The BULL Be With You -Original Message- From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aria Santoso Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:46 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS Pak Yudizz, Yang ribut kan cuma saya, jadi cuma saya yang mentalnya lemah. yang lain nyantai aja... semua member OB sini mentalnya kuat. terbukti mampu melewati bearish 2008 dan survive! saya satu2nya member milis OB yang paling lemah mentalnya. Salam, ace Yudizz wrote: Pake ilmu psikologi aja. Dengan adanya ribut2 ini menunjukkan bahwa secara mental para pelaku market sudah LEMAH. Tidak ada persatuan menunjukan tidak ada lagi perasaan OPTIMIS. Kalo bandar mau gebuk itu tinggal masalah waktu doang. Semudah Manny Pacquiao meng-KO Ricky Hatton. Mudah2an saya salah, karena saya memang bukan pakar bandarmologi. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI BerbullishT May The BULL Be With You
Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
Ini cuplikan LK BUMI 2008: Pada tanggal 31 Juli 2008, Perusahaan telah menyelesaikan akuisisi Herald dengan nilai perolehan sebesar AS$ 541.544.752. Nilai wajar aset bersih Herald pada tanggal akuisisi adalah sebesar AS$ 84.531.696. Selisih antara harga pembelian dengan nilai wajar aset bersih sebesar AS$ 457.013.056 dicatat sebagai goodwill. Meleceng sedikit, Untuk menghitung GNI kan (GDP + bunga/dividen dari negara lain - bunga/dividen ke negara lain). Nah, RI pernah punya bunga/dividen DARI negara lain nggak ya? 2009/6/20 Cougar Boy boysngi...@gmail.com berapa ya harganya.. kalau gak salah antara 2.5 - 5T
Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
iya pak.. wah surprise juga Pak DE msh ingat... (soalnya kalau FUYI selalu dipanggil Pak je hehehe)...kalau noknik... rada deket toktik.. eh tiktok hehehe lagi ah.. malem minggu ini sedikti OOT boleh dong,.. habisnya agak pusing juga tadi ada yg agak panas... mending lihat pastingan yg kmr mgn EL... bikin ketawa... Pada 20 Juni 2009 16:56, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.com menulis: Ndak perlu. Dulu pake nama fuyi kan ya? Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 16:52, noknik anip...@gmail.com menulis: yang dulu sudah ndaftar nggak perlu ndaftar lagi khan Pak DE?... saya coba klik SINI nya nggak berhasil. Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:19, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@gmail.commenulis: berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@yahoo.com menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ€ ™ vnnfortuna...@rocketmail.com *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasaha...@... wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93. -- nokniik -- nokniik
RE: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
Pak DE, Dulu saat BUMI dan ANTM saling bersaing harga membeli Herald, orang tidak peduli tuh hrg Herald mau di.deal pada hrg brp (dlm arti mahal / tidak), krn saat itu org terlena pada kondisi masih BULLISH, sehingga yg terpenting ada corporate action (dlm hal ini beli beli perusahaan lain utk ekspansi) yg bisa mendrive hrg saham yg bersaing (ANTM BUMI) ke level lebih tinggi (BUMI s/d di analisa bakal ke Rp.12 ribu). Kalau ngak salah waktu itu masing2 (BUMI ANTM) sudah meneliti Herald dgn perusahaan independent dlm menilai hrg wajar Herald. Sehingga saat hrg saham berguguran krn krisis global financial, hrg BUMI yg tertinggi Rp.8.000 terjun bebas s/d mencapai level terendah Rp.300an. Dan dgn kondisi tsb orang yg megang BUMI di hrg atas (anggap kata Rp.5.000) tentu saja TIDAK RELA BUMI melakukan corporate action dgn membeli DEWA di hrg Rp.345/shm , padahal saat itu hrg DEWA di pasaran cuma Rp.60an..ini tentu yang dipertanyakan : apa dasar BUMI beli saham DEWA lebih mahal 5x (lima kali) lebih mahal, knp ngak beli aja di pasar ? Kalau pun mau beli dgn harga premium, tentunya ngak s/d 5x lipat gitu .. S/d sekarang kayaknya adem2 aja tuh kabar soal Herald, apa sudah ditambang atau belum, tidak ada info/beritanya lagi .hehehe From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean Earwicker Sent: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:26 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! Yang dulu beli herald gak ditanya-tanya? udah jadi apa sekarang? apakah udah mulai nambang? http://www.kompas.com/read/xml/2008/07/18/08322630/bumi.sudah.jadi.pemilik.m ayoritas.herald Note: berita lama Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 16:21, herman ardiyanto herman.ardiya...@gmail.com menulis: Jangan lupa topik utamanya BUMI membeli DEWA (secara tidak langsung) di harga 354/lb. saham sementara harganya di pasar saat itu 61/lb. saham. Kalah boleh, asal jangan lupa. Jadi, untuk investasi jangka panjang, perusahaan apa saja yang masih tepercaya (nggak beli barang kemahalan, jual kemurahan, produksi di bawah normal)?
[ob] Re: Technical Analysis untuk saham SIDEWAYS
Coba pakai Stochastic, William%R atau RSI, pak... Untuk lebih optimal, mungkin bisa di backtest dan di adjust periode input-nya. Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, jimmywidj...@... wrote: Hi Guys... Kalo untuk saham sideways..kira kira teknikal analisisnya cocok pake apa ya ? Thank You Guys... Jimmy Lesmana Widjaya Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
katanya trader...baru dikasih segitu udah ribut wkwkwkwkww... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cupert@ wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote:
RE: [ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :)
Bisa Galak juga mas harry wie jen ini. Biasanya kalem aja tuh di room #ob.
Tapi mestinya emang harus ada etika kok. Katanya mau ada gathering room irc #ob
ya? Boleh ikutan? Gmana daftarnya?
harrywijaya81 wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , Vaulstrad vaulst...@. ..
wrote:
gpp sir ...
saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar
mohon dimaafkan jg ... :)
kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :)
maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya.
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@
wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote:
gini pak ...
bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ...
tp jgn main nuduh aza ...
apa dia d ada bukti ???
kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ???
Weleh...weleh. ..weleh.. ., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang
sopan atuh
Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum
Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok
tuh...pak Admin user nya.
Tks
_ _ __
From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
lebih tepat jari kali ya :D
ini kan email
joke :D
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@
yahoo.com wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote:
PH ...
kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ...
w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ...
kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi ,
jgn sensitif gt donk tolol .
mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ...
rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap .
KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP .
DASAR TOLOL ...
Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli...
;(
Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
call... jadi boke dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
tertentu
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Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’
In
2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the
Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the
market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources
probe,
nothing much has changed.
However, despite the potential
damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not
to
mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that
it’s a
case of â€Åout of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even
Bumi’s
minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision
of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency
(Bapepam-LK) .
In January, the agency launched a probe into the
Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT
Fajar Bumi
Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18
trillion
($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations
that
the acquisitions were overpriced.
It was also alleged that the
acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval
of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †ÂÂand that
some of the
coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the
Bakrie
group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements.
However,
after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of
an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was
that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was
Rp
370 billion too high.
But even here Bumi was given an easy way
out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it
down to a
â€Åreasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process
of doing.
The
market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction
question, saying that since the transactions took place in different
fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that
many
would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the
transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa
was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar
Bumi
Sakti on Jan. 7.
Capital market
RE: [ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :)
Bisa Galak juga mas harry wie jen ini. Biasanya kalem aja tuh di room #ob.
Tapi mestinya emang harus ada etika kok. Katanya mau ada gathering room irc #ob
ya? Boleh ikutan? Gmana daftarnya?
harrywijaya81 wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , Vaulstrad vaulst...@. ..
wrote:
gpp sir ...
saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar
mohon dimaafkan jg ... :)
kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :)
maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya.
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@
wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote:
gini pak ...
bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ...
tp jgn main nuduh aza ...
apa dia d ada bukti ???
kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ???
Weleh...weleh. ..weleh.. ., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang
sopan atuh
Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum
Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok
tuh...pak Admin user nya.
Tks
_ _ __
From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@
To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM
Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
lebih tepat jari kali ya :D
ini kan email
joke :D
On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@
yahoo.com wrote:
--- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote:
PH ...
kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ...
w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ...
kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi ,
jgn sensitif gt donk tolol .
mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ...
rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap .
KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP .
DASAR TOLOL ...
Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli...
;(
Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
call... jadi boke dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
tertentu
- - -
Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’
In
2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the
Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the
market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources
probe,
nothing much has changed.
However, despite the potential
damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not
to
mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that
it’s a
case of â€Åout of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even
Bumi’s
minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision
of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency
(Bapepam-LK) .
In January, the agency launched a probe into the
Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT
Fajar Bumi
Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18
trillion
($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations
that
the acquisitions were overpriced.
It was also alleged that the
acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval
of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †ÂÂand that
some of the
coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the
Bakrie
group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements.
However,
after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of
an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was
that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was
Rp
370 billion too high.
But even here Bumi was given an easy way
out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it
down to a
â€Åreasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process
of doing.
The
market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction
question, saying that since the transactions took place in different
fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that
many
would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the
transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa
was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar
Bumi
Sakti on Jan. 7.
Capital market
[ob] Re: Cermati BNBR !
saya sendiri belum tahu target price BNBR dr broker YU, besok senin sy coba tanya analisnya, untuk time frame target price fundamental biasanya 12 bulan ke depan alias 1 tahun.katakanlah TP 200-250 td benar dan kita ambil aja 150 (pesimis) artinya masih ada upside/potential gain 50% dr harga sekarang dan saya kira broker YU akan terus BELI di harga 100 perak...hingga saat ini YU sudah BELI BNBR 1 JUTA Lot, belum lg broker RX yang juga banyak membeli BNBR..melihat jumlah yang cukup besar yg di beli broker YU tsb sptnya investtor yg time framenya jangka panjang yang baru akan menjual klo harganya sudah masuk target investasi mereka katakanlah di harga 170 krn untuk menjual kembali/exit strategy saham yg cukup besar maka mau ga mau harga harus di NAIKIN terlebih dulu buat distribusi nah apa yg harus kita lakukan jika sdh tahu ada BD masuk ke BNBR??...ya tinggal ikut aja BELI :) Selain induknya BNBR kita juga bisa investasi di warrantnya/BNBR-W P.S. buat yg mau donasi 5 lot BNBR linknya: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3 Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:19, Dean Earwicker dean.earwic...@... menulis: berhubung bnbr lagi joget, saya mo posting lagi donasi buat OB yang digagas oleh EL bbrp waktu yg lalu: Sumbangan *sukarela* 5 lot BNBR (senilai 242.500 rupiah), beli dan simpen sekarang, dan dijual seluruhnya desember ini sebelum natal, dan hasil penjualannya di transfer ke Mbah. Yang berminat monggo diisi sendiri di SINIhttp://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/database?method=reportRowstbl=3atau japri ke saya dengan subjek donasi. Total donatur terkumpul 291 orang, target EL adalah 1000 orang. Regards, DE Pada 20 Juni 2009 12:09, paramanand...@... menulis: Pls deh, kalo TP gak pake timeframe, katanya sama juga bodong, krn nggak jelas kpn nyampenya. Artinya: semua org juga bisa ngomong TP kalo gak ada target waktunya... Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerry® -- *From*: F¤®Ûñ vnnfortuna...@... *Date*: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:05:48 + *To*: Obrolan bandarobrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: Re: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! Target dr CIMB, utk BNBR 200-250 katanye... Tp ga tau deh nyampenya kapan jangka panjang ato pendek... Disc on ye... - VF - -- *From*: datasahamku *Date*: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:07 - *To*: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com *Subject*: [ob] Re: Cermati BNBR ! lumayan hari ini dapet Alphard dr BNBR hehehe... broker YU dan RX terus BELI BNBR, biasanya sih ga cukup seminggu hajatanya spt dulu waktu buang2jgn2 ini kerjaannya neng El ? Embah bisa dapet donasi Alphard desember nanti :)) semoga Senin bisa tembus 100 beli BNBR-W lebih murah dari induknya --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, datasahamku datasahamku@ wrote: justru beli sekarung BNBR bisa dapet Alphard pak hehehe.. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, aritech97 aritech97@ wrote: hmmmmending ngincer Alphard yang lagi didiskon besar2an daripada avanza hehehe... disclaimer on --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.comobrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com, Data Saham datasahamku@ wrote: Menurut www.investorindonesia.com, SEJUMLAH broker asing dan lokal dikabarkan akan mengakumulasi kembali saham PT Bakrie Brothers Tbk (BNBR). Menurut sumber Investor Daily, perubahan susunan direksi dan aksi korporasi guna menyelesaikan utang perseroan dijadikan momentum penguatan harga BNBR ke level Rp 125. Perseroan akan menggelar RUPS pada akhir Juni 2009. Pada perdagangan kemarin, BNBR ditutup naik Rp 2 (2,2%) ke posisi Rp 93. -- nokniik
Re: [ob] MiNTA MAAF Untuk PAK RULLY
Yup, ikut salut... sangat Gentlement. To Pak Vaulstrad: Sebaik-baiknya orang bukanlah orang yang tak pernah salah. Tetapi adalah orang yang ketika sadar dia melakukan kesalahan, dia meminta maaf dan tidak mengulangi-nya. To Pak Rully: Sehebat-hebatnya orang bukanlah orang yg mampu menundukkan orang lain. Tetapi orang yang mampu menundukkan amarah-nya dan memaafkan orang yg berbuat salah padanya, walaupun dia mampu untuk melepaskan (merealisasikan) amarah-nya kepada orang tsb. Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Dudung Soetopo soetopo...@... wrote: Sangat gentleman sekali. Salut Hope selesai, peace aahhh On 6/20/09, Vaulstrad vaulst...@... wrote: Dear Pak Rully, Saya personally minta maaf atas statement saya apabila statement saya membuat bapak marah atau tidak senang. -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com
Re: [ob] Re: ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :)
ikutan dong Jend Arto. kasih tau caranya dong. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 5:18 PM, artomoro9 artomo...@yahoo.co.id wrote: Bisa Galak juga mas harry wie jen ini. Biasanya kalem aja tuh di room #ob. Tapi mestinya emang harus ada etika kok. Katanya mau ada gathering room irc #ob ya? Boleh ikutan? Gmana daftarnya? harrywijaya81 wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , Vaulstrad vaulst...@. .. wrote: gpp sir ... saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar mohon dimaafkan jg ... :) kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :) maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh. ..weleh.. ., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks _ _ __ From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@ To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of â€Åout of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †ÂÂand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out †all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a â€Åreasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process of doing. The market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction question, saying that since the transactions took place in different fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise †a view that many would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar Bumi Sakti on Jan. 7.
Re: [ob] Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG
Ternyata setelah cari cari postingan Pak Aput, ketemunya pas tanggal 2 Juni, IHSG kami perhitungkan akan mengalami koreksi min dalam 1 hari kedepan itu pas IHSG berada di 1991,xx OB-ers profesional yang bisa interpretasi dengan benar pesan yang tersirat congratulations..! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Yudizz yudiz...@... wrote: I TOLD YOU.!!! Hehehe, canda ya.. Regards, IFM Yudizz Powered by BEI BerbullishT May The BULL Be With You _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mh Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:28 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG Pak Adi Putra, Mohon maaf yah, mau nanya neh secara terus terang rekomendasi bapak apa? Kalo saya baca email2 bapak, saya bener2 ga mudeng alias ga ngerti. Kalimat dalam email bapak bersayap seperti artinya bisa iya atau enggak. Kalo bapak ga keberatan mungkin bapak kasi rekomendasi secara TA atau FA biar yang bacanya jelas. Kalo ujuk2 keluar kalimat sesuai postingan saya saya jadi bingung dan garuk2 kepala postingan bapak yg mana yah? Mohon maaf yah pak adi putra, harap dimaklumi masih newbie jadi masih belum bisa menangkap kalimat yang tersirat Pisss ah Mh Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerryR _ From: Adi Putra Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG Pertama 2 kami ucapkan selamat dari koreksi pada hari ini bagi para trader dan sepuh OB, sesuai dengan postingan kami terdahulu bagi yg melihat dan membaca maka akan selamat dalam koreksi dalam minggu ini ,karena IHSG TA,psikologis dan future market dalam waktu 1 minggu yang lalu sudah mulai konfirm terhadap keadaan kedepan.Kami sdh berusaha mengingatkan para OB apa yang akan terjadi pada beberapa hari kedepan. Good Luck for all Saran kami hindari dulu BC yg sdh mahal secara PER dan Break OUT price pada IHSG 2400 Sell Saham Gorengan High kolesterol and Buy low kolesterol regard IFM APUT
Re: [ob] Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG
Minggu depan koreksinya udahan atau masih lanjut ne pa Aput ? 2009/6/20 wintama winarto.r...@yahoo.de Ternyata setelah cari cari postingan Pak Aput, ketemunya pas tanggal 2 Juni, *IHSG kami perhitungkan akan mengalami koreksi min dalam 1 hari kedepan* itu pas IHSG berada di 1991,xx OB-ers profesional yang bisa interpretasi dengan benar pesan yang tersirat congratulations..! --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Yudizz yudiz...@... wrote: I TOLD YOU.!!! Hehehe, canda ya.. Regards, IFM Yudizz Powered by BEI BerbullishT May The BULL Be With You _ From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto: obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mh Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:28 AM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG Pak Adi Putra, Mohon maaf yah, mau nanya neh secara terus terang rekomendasi bapak apa? Kalo saya baca email2 bapak, saya bener2 ga mudeng alias ga ngerti. Kalimat dalam email bapak bersayap seperti artinya bisa iya atau enggak. Kalo bapak ga keberatan mungkin bapak kasi rekomendasi secara TA atau FA biar yang bacanya jelas. Kalo ujuk2 keluar kalimat sesuai postingan saya saya jadi bingung dan garuk2 kepala postingan bapak yg mana yah? Mohon maaf yah pak adi putra, harap dimaklumi masih newbie jadi masih belum bisa menangkap kalimat yang tersirat Pisss ah Mh Powered by Telkomsel BlackBerryR _ From: Adi Putra Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:24:39 -0700 (PDT) To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] Brave or affraid to hold stocks tomorow for IHSG Pertama 2 kami ucapkan selamat dari koreksi pada hari ini bagi para trader dan sepuh OB, sesuai dengan postingan kami terdahulu bagi yg melihat dan membaca maka akan selamat dalam koreksi dalam minggu ini ,karena IHSG TA,psikologis dan future market dalam waktu 1 minggu yang lalu sudah mulai konfirm terhadap keadaan kedepan.Kami sdh berusaha mengingatkan para OB apa yang akan terjadi pada beberapa hari kedepan. Good Luck for all Saran kami hindari dulu BC yg sdh mahal secara PER dan Break OUT price pada IHSG 2400 Sell Saham Gorengan High kolesterol and Buy low kolesterol regard IFM APUT
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Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: â?~No Probe? No P roblemâ?T - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA
Rekan-rekan milis OB yang saya hormati, Rekan-rekan milis saham yang saya hormati, (Bang Ian, mohon ijin crossposting) Pak Aria, Ruz7, dan Harry yang saya banggakan, Pak Paul yang baik, Mohon maaf, saya baru dapat merespon mengenai diskusi hangat mengenai BUMI dan KIPS BUMI di milis kita tercinta sekarang ini, karena kesibukan saya yang tidak bisa saya tinggalkan. Postingan Pak Paul merupakan postingan yang membuka mata. Bisa jadi sebagian besar komunitas pasar modal, terutama Investor BUMI, memikirkan hal yang sama, dan berpendapat sama, namun tidak menemukan jalan untuk sampai kepada kita semua. Untuk hal ini, kita semua, terutama saya, patut berterima kasih kepada Pak Paul. Masalah akuisisi 3 perusahaan oleh PT. Bumi Resources, telah ditanggapi oleh Bapepam (Badan Pengawas Pasar Modal). Tanggapan Bapepam adalah dengan meminta pihak independen untuk melakukan penilaian terhadap penilaian yang dilakukan oleh penilai yang ditunjuk perseroan (Yanuar Bey). Ditunjuklah MAPPI (Masyarakat Profesi Penilai Independen) untuk melaksanakan tugas mulia ini. Langkah Bapepam ini telah memberikan hasil. Sebagian hasil akhir dan akibat-akibatnya kalau tidak salah menyebutkan bahwa regulator menyatakan bahwa Perseroan tidak diwajibkan untuk meminta keputusan RUPS Independen karena tidak material. Ini regulator yang bicara, berdasarkan regulasi atau hukum positif. Dari hasil penilaian MAPPI, ada satu akuisisi yang dinyatakan bermasalah, yakni FBS yang dinyatakan dibeli dengan harga yang kemahalan. Lalu manajemen memberikan reaksi positif terhadap penilaian ini, dengan tindakan negosiasi ulang, bahkan manajemen kalau tidak salah menyatakan bahwa kalau negosiasi ulangnya tidak berhasil, transaksi bisa dibatalkan. Tidak ingin membawa-bawa seluruh anggota KIPS BUMI, saya sekarang ini tidak berbicara mewakili KIPS BUMI. Ijinkanlah saya dibawah ini menyatakan pemikiran dan pendapat saya pribadi. Regulator yang netral (independen, tidak dipengaruhi oleh pihak manapun, dan karena posisinya adalah pemerintahan, tentunya mengambil posisi yang mengayomi seluruh rakyatnya, yang diantaranya adalah emiten maupun investor), meminta bantuan auditor independen (auditor, yang memiliki kode etik sendiri yang sangat dijunjung tinggi) dan manajemen memberikan reaksi positif. Saya tidak melihat jalan lain, selain mendukung hal ini. Anggaplah saya sebagai Investor publik PT Bumi Resources tidak mendukung hal ini, saya bisa apa? Sedari awal sampai sekarang dan selalu disampaikan kepada para wartawan yang bertanya kepada saya (tapi entah mengapa tidak dimuat, mengenai hal ini) bahwa KIPS BUMI hadir untuk mendukung dunia permodalan di tanah air. KIPS BUMI bercita cita untuk dapat melihat bursa yang dipercaya, dengan dorongan bagi para emiten untuk melaksanakan good corporate governance dan transparansi, serta dukungan kepada regulator untuk dapat menjadi wasit dan hakim yang adil bagi kita semua. Betapa rindunya saya, melihat adanya perusahaan yang IPO di BEI, dengan hasil IPO yang akan digunakan untuk bersaing di tataran global! Kalau bursa kita tidak dipercaya, rasanya kita semua tidak akan pernah bisa menyaksikan hal itu. Kalau saya tidak mendukung langkah regulator dan menyampahkan hasil karya rekan sebangsa dan setanah air di MAPPI, apa gunanya buat kita semua? Salam, Oetomo Rully Susanto A lot of people die fighting tyranny. The least I can do is vote against it. - Carl Icahn at Texaco annual meeting. Jan. 20, 1988 - Original Message - From: jsx_consultant To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [ob] Bumi Investors Say: â?~No Probe? No Problemâ?T - APA GUE BILANG! INDO UDAH RUSAK! INVESTOR LUAR LARI SEMUA Pak Paul SUDAH minta maaf dan sudah MENARIK statement yg menyinggung pak Rully... Pak Rully juga menerima permintaan maaf pak Paul kan ?. Case is CLOSED... We are all brother and sister, rite ?. Embah tadi sengaja melepaskan perdebatan ini dimilis untuk menjadi pembelajaran: - Kalo posting, konsentrasi pada masalah dan jangan pada PRIBADI, Kalo pak Paul mengutarakan masalahnya pada pak Rully secara baik baik, kan engga akan ada KERIBUTAN ini. Malah akan jadi topik yg menarik. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Vaulstrad vaulst...@... wrote: Sorry rully that me just upset from the article from Jakarta Globe. There is no need to go to court to prove. because i have nothing to prove. I am one of the minority shareholder. Of course we depend on you. Please kindly explain why there is sudden change. My mistake for my statement. I fully take it back. Hope you forgive me. Of course all statement below are for jokes only. Like margin call etc. But if you take that seriously I am sorry. --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Rully rullymainsaham@ wrote: PH, Would you be kind enough to
Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81
Kalau kucing liar ketemu cleopatra's cat apa yg terjadi hay. :) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: kucing_liar1 kucing_li...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:22:10 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 katanya trader...baru dikasih segitu udah ribut wkwkwkwkww... --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2...@... wrote: Moga2 ngga. Barusan bangun pagi liat bloomberg.. Ehhh beritanya turun coalnya.. Darn!! Liat gelagat bumi di akhir sesi 2 juga bikin ga enak tuh. Tarik2an dia malah merah. Sebel dehh... Moga2 aja dehh tetep IJO -Original Message- From: boyz m457...@... Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:19:39 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [ob] Australian thermal coal price drop 7.7% to $70.81 Senin merah dong? Salam, --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, M|C michael.cupert@ wrote: Busyet dah, senin nyusruk lg nih..makasih infonya.. On 6/19/09, Thomas Frederick thomaszone_2000@ wrote:
[ob] Re: ph. MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :) Jend disuap!
... ane dapet rumor yg udah ane check kebenaran na ... ternyata jendral arto juga disuap ... disuap ama seketaris na ... hahaha ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, artomoro9 artomo...@... wrote: Bisa Galak juga mas harry wie jen ini. Biasanya kalem aja tuh di room #ob. Tapi mestinya emang harus ada etika kok. Katanya mau ada gathering room irc #ob ya? Boleh ikutan? Gmana daftarnya? harrywijaya81 wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , Vaulstrad vaulstrad@ .. wrote: gpp sir ... saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar mohon dimaafkan jg ... :) kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :) maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh. ..weleh.. ., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks _ _ __ From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@ To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâââ¬Å¾Ã¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: âââ¬ÃÅNo Probe? No Problemâââ‰â¢ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulatorâââ‰â¢s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator ââ⬠not to mention the interests of small investors ââ⬠it now appears that itâââ‰â¢s a case of ââ∠out of sight, out of mind,ââ⬠with analysts and even Bumiâââ‰â¢s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumiâââ‰â¢s purchase of three coal firms ââ⬠PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara ââ⬠for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders ââ⬠which was never given ââ⬠ÃâÃÂand that some of the coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumiâââ‰â¢s owners, the Bakrie group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements. However, after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was Rp 370 billion too high. But even here Bumi was given an easy way out ââ⬠all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it down to a ââ∠reasonableââ⬠level, which it says it is now in the process of
[ob] KIPS BUMI, mau kemanakah kita sekarang?
Rekan-rekan Investor PT. Bumi Resources, Baru saja saya mengirimkan posting ke milis obrolanbandar dan saham, dan pada postingan saya tersebut, saya menulis begini: Anggaplah saya sebagai Investor publik PT Bumi Resources tidak mendukung hal ini, saya bisa apa? Mohon maaf kepada rekan-rekan di KIPS BUMI, saya tersadar bahwa kalimat saya tersebut bisa dianggap mengecilkan seluruh dukungan dari rekan semua yang telah memberikan dukungan bagi kebaikan investasi kita di PT Bumi Resources dan bursa kita pada umumnya. Mengenai hal ini, saya hendak menyatakan permintaan maaf dari rekan-rekan yang masih setia mendukung KIPS BUMI. Seorang Investor BUMI, pada awal pertemuan KIPS BUMI pernah menyatakan bahwa sangat mudah bagi siapa pun untuk membubarkan KIPS BUMI, cukup dengan mengangkat harga BUMI ke 2000an, maka KIPS BUMI dengan sendirinya akan bubar. Pada awal berdirinya, KIPS BUMI tumbuh dengan pesat, dan dalam waktu kurang dari satu bulan sudah mencapai jumlah anggota ratusan orang. Ketika dulu dibuka kesempatan untuk memberikan sumbangan Rp 1/lembar saham, hanya 30an orang saja (Pak Aria, yang memiliki data tepatnya, mohon bantuannya) yang memberikan dukungannya. Pada pertemuan KIPS BUMI beberapa bulan lalu, hanya 10 orang yang hadir, dan dengan rasa pilu, saya sampaikan bahwa dalam rangka RUPS tanggal 26 Juni 2009 nanti, hanya 20an orang saja yang bertahan. Meskipun merasa bersalah kepada rekan-rekan KIPS BUMI, yang masih terus memberikan dukungannya sampai saat ini, ketika saya menyampaikan pesimisme saya diatas, rasanya sangat sulit juga bagi saya untuk tidak pesimis... Salam, Oetomo Rully Susanto A lot of people die fighting tyranny. The least I can do is vote against it. - Carl Icahn at Texaco annual meeting. Jan. 20, 1988 btw, rekan-rekan investor BUMI, sudah dapat bahan untuk RUPS kah? koq sampai sekarang, semua yang saya tanya, masih belum dapat juga... ketika rekan saya mau minta surat kuasa langsung ke kantor perseroan, koq rasanya berbelit belit ya... ada apa ya...???
Re: [ob] RE: OB Ribut2 Lagi, Besok Gue CUT LOSS
Pak Aria Santoso, sejak kapan lemah mental?. becanda aja boss ini. Salam --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Aria Santoso ariasant...@... wrote: Pak Yudizz, Yang ribut kan cuma saya, jadi cuma saya yang mentalnya lemah. yang lain nyantai aja... semua member OB sini mentalnya kuat. terbukti mampu melewati bearish 2008 dan survive! saya satu2nya member milis OB yang paling lemah mentalnya. Salam, ace Yudizz wrote: Pake ilmu psikologi aja. Dengan adanya ribut2 ini menunjukkan bahwa secara mental para pelaku market sudah LEMAH. Tidak ada persatuan menunjukan tidak ada lagi perasaan OPTIMIS. Kalo bandar mau gebuk itu tinggal masalah waktu doang. Semudah Manny Pacquiao meng-KO Ricky Hatton. Mudah2an saya salah, karena saya memang bukan pakar bandarmologi. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish May The BULL Be With You
Re: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical
Kok newbie? Berarti saya rookie newbie :) Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: Yudizz yudiz...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 19:09:17 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical Mbah, newbie mau tanya. Kejadian 2 hari terakhir, yang bisa kita sebut sebagai fase FORCED CUT LOSS, apakah Embah mendeteksi BD melakukan re-akumulasi? Atau mereka justru hanya nge-DUMP barang doang? Kalo logika investor awam, posisi dekat uptrend itu kan sebenarnya level yang baik untuk reload portofolio? Trims sebelumnya. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish™ May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:38 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical IHSG: Marketwise Technical Terlampir analisa IHSG, uraiannya ada pada gambar: - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png
Re: [ob] ASIA boleh mulai dipelototin
Pak, ada yg bisa kasih gain lg? Sent from my BlackBerry® powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT -Original Message- From: wintama winarto.r...@yahoo.de Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:42:09 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ASIA boleh mulai dipelototin ASIA target 2 minggu cuan min 10%.
Re: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical
--- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com, Yudizz yudiz...@... wrote: Mbah, newbie mau tanya. Kejadian 2 hari terakhir, yang bisa kita sebut sebagai fase FORCED CUT LOSS, apakah Embah mendeteksi BD melakukan re-akumulasi? Atau mereka justru hanya nge-DUMP barang doang? - Hari Kamis jelas distribusi sambil maksa orang Cut Loss, tapi investor yg ikut distribusi juga ada karena Trigger jebolnya formasi Head and Shoulder. Ini tentunya membuat kepanikan dimana index turun dalam dalam waktu yg singkat. - Tapi kemungkinan BD dan Investor yg pasang ember pada Uptrend Support juga pasti ada, sehingga pada level 1940 rebound. - Pada hari Jumat, index digocek dengan HEBAT, artinya banyak trader yg TERLEMPAR dari kereta. Dan yg mendapat muntahannya tentu investor jangka panjang dan BD. Tapi BD saat menggocek kebawah tentu akan kehilangan barang lagi. - Saat IHSG rebound tentu BD akan beli tapi pasti tidak bisa banyak. Sifat index adalah elastis dan akan membal sehabis penurunan dalam. Jadi tanpa dibeli BD pun, otomatis index akan rebound jika BD tidak pasang MUKA di posisi offer. - Jadi kesimpulannya: BD belum beli banyak - Faktor lainnya: Karena trader banyak yg Cut Loss pada Formasi V maka IHSG akan menjadi Ringan dan Liar. IHSG akan mudah diangkat oleh BD tapi bisa juga digebug lagi karena BD belum banyak belanja. Jadi gerakan hari Senin akan susah ditebak tapi sepertinya akan mengikuti gerakan index regional Asia. Kalo logika investor awam, posisi dekat uptrend itu kan sebenarnya level yang baik untuk reload portofolio? Trims sebelumnya. Regards, Yudizz Powered by BEI Berbullish May The BULL Be With You From: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com [mailto:obrolan-ban...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jsx_consultant Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 6:38 PM To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] IHSG: Marketwise Technical IHSG: Marketwise Technical Terlampir analisa IHSG, uraiannya ada pada gambar: - http://www.obrolanbandar.com/piwihsg.png
Re: [ob] Re: ph. MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :) Jend disuap!
Inilah klo masalah duit memang rumit.. sesama saudara OB bs jd bertengkar, Dibawa santai saja, klo turun ya tunggu sampai naik, cuma permainan waktu aja.. mari kita dukung terus investor lokal biar asing pada kecele... BEI Ke 3000? LANJUTKAN!!! --- On Sat, 6/20/09, sylar_fang sylar_f...@yahoo.co.id wrote: From: sylar_fang sylar_f...@yahoo.co.id Subject: [ob] Re: ph. MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! SAYA JG MINTA MAAF ... :) Jend disuap! To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 8:14 PM ... ane dapet rumor yg udah ane check kebenaran na ... ternyata jendral arto juga disuap ... disuap ama seketaris na ... hahaha ... :) --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, artomoro9 artomo...@. .. wrote: Bisa Galak juga mas harry wie jen ini. Biasanya kalem aja tuh di room #ob. Tapi mestinya emang harus ada etika kok. Katanya mau ada gathering room irc #ob ya? Boleh ikutan? Gmana daftarnya? harrywijaya81 wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , Vaulstrad vaulstrad@ .. wrote: gpp sir ... saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar mohon dimaafkan jg ... :) kita di perahu yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :) maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya. --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , bank bni bankbnijkt@ wrote: gini pak ... bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ... tp jgn main nuduh aza ... apa dia d ada bukti ??? kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ??? Weleh...weleh. ..weleh.. ., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang sopan atuh Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum Maaf yamungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok tuh...pak Admin user nya. Tks _ _ __ From: Cougar Boy boysngirls@ To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!! lebih tepat jari kali ya :D ini kan email joke :D On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 harrywijaya81@ yahoo.com wrote: --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ vaulstrad@ . wrote: PH ... kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ... w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ... kekekkeke ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi , jgn sensitif gt donk tolol . mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ... rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap . KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP . DASAR TOLOL ... Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli... ;( Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin call... jadi boke dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang tertentu - - - Bumi Investors Say: â€ËÅNo Probe? No Problem’ In 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources probe, nothing much has changed. However, despite the potential damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator †not to mention the interests of small investors †it now appears that it’s a case of â€Åout of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even Bumi’s minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency (Bapepam-LK) . In January, the agency launched a probe into the Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms †PT Darma Henwa, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara †for a total of Rp 6.18 trillion ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations that the acquisitions were overpriced. It was also alleged that the acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval of Bumi shareholders †which was never given †ÂÂÂand that some of the coal firms were
Re: [ob] ASIA boleh mulai dipelototin
Boleh tau nga berdasarkan apa ? Ty -Original Message- From: wintama winarto.r...@yahoo.de Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:42:09 To: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com Subject: [ob] ASIA boleh mulai dipelototin ASIA target 2 minggu cuan min 10%.
