Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
Am 06.06.2013 22:59, schrieb Alexis Rossi: > We would love that! Internet Archive doesn't have a lot of resources to make > changes to OL at the moment. But the code is open, and we would be thrilled > to incorporate improvements from the community. > > Alexis > It's been long since I last did programming. And I have to admit, I only know the python basics. But perhaps this could be good occasion to dive into it. Is someone else willing to work jointly on this? Because alone, I don't think, I'd work productively. If that's the case, we should probably start talking about that on ol-tech. Feel free to start a thread, I'll join. And back to the original topic: If I understand your posts correctly, there is no formal process to get more edit rights. ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
On Jun 6, 2013, at 9:40 AM, xan wrote: > I totally understand you frustration, Sarah, for my it's the same. But I just > don't want to quit OL since it seems to be the only project which is supposed > to be an open community producing free data. > > If technically and from a workflow point of view, getting pull request > accepted is possible, should a few people unite to code this feature? We would love that! Internet Archive doesn't have a lot of resources to make changes to OL at the moment. But the code is open, and we would be thrilled to incorporate improvements from the community. Alexis > > Am 06.06.2013 16:25, schrieb Burkhard Plache: >> I can only echo the need for guidance on how merging of editions is >> supposed to work. >> I came here from Goodreads after they sold out to Amazon, and hope to >> contribute here. >> Still learning... >> Burkhard >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren >> wrote: >>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sarah Breau wrote: > Sometimes, I find it frustrating not to be able to merge multiple > editions into one record (I only can do half of the work). Sometimes, I > writer a support request but sometimes I don't. Simply because this causes > more work for me (explain which record should be deleted why) and to some > other person (which I now know is volunteer). Perhaps I would be more > active > editing if I could do more myself. > But clearly, you can't give admin rights to everyone (maybe if deletion > could be reverted, might work but that opens up the whole discussion about > changing the source code I suppose). But is there a known process how to > get > more involved and get more privileges? > > xan I have to admit, I am far more likely to work on GoodReads records (where anyone can merge editions into works) than I am at OL at this point. I used to spend a lot of time editing on OL but have really dropped off because the multiple works problem is just so frustrating. I suspect that when this problem is solved I will come back, but right now I find that unless you can make a record all the way right, it's not worth the time to edit it and then submit a request (or, more likely, 6 requests). Ugh. >>> >>> Indeed, why developer time hasn't been dedicated to this instead of other >>> less obviously needed issues kinda amazes me. Especially if the high-ups >>> want a community to form - frustrating users making basic editing impossible >>> doesn't seem like the best way for that. Unsure if there's anyone to whom >>> this could be said that has any power and would listen though :( >>> >>> Greetings, >>> Nicolás >>> >>> ___ >>> Ol-discuss mailing list >>> Ol-discuss@archive.org >>> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >>> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >>> >> ___ >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org > > ___ > Ol-discuss mailing list > Ol-discuss@archive.org > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
Merging records is the number one thing I think would be needed for a basic maintenance / user interest. Laura -- Laura Markstein Quilter / lquil...@lquilter.net Librarian, Geek, Attorney, Teacher Copyright and Information Policy Librarian University of Massachusetts, Amherst lquil...@library.umass.edu Lecturer, Simmons College, GSLIS laura.quil...@simmons.edu On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:40 PM, xan wrote: > I totally understand you frustration, Sarah, for my it's the same. But I > just don't want to quit OL since it seems to be the only project which is > supposed to be an open community producing free data. > > If technically and from a workflow point of view, getting pull request > accepted is possible, should a few people unite to code this feature? > > Am 06.06.2013 16:25, schrieb Burkhard Plache: > > I can only echo the need for guidance on how merging of editions is > > supposed to work. > > I came here from Goodreads after they sold out to Amazon, and hope to > > contribute here. > > Still learning... > > Burkhard > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > > wrote: > >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sarah Breau > wrote: > >>> > Sometimes, I find it frustrating not to be able to merge multiple > editions into one record (I only can do half of the work). Sometimes, > I > writer a support request but sometimes I don't. Simply because this > causes > more work for me (explain which record should be deleted why) and to > some > other person (which I now know is volunteer). Perhaps I would be more > active > editing if I could do more myself. > But clearly, you can't give admin rights to everyone (maybe if > deletion > could be reverted, might work but that opens up the whole discussion > about > changing the source code I suppose). But is there a known process how > to get > more involved and get more privileges? > > xan > >>> I have to admit, I am far more likely to work on GoodReads records > (where > >>> anyone can merge editions into works) than I am at OL at this point. I > used > >>> to spend a lot of time editing on OL but have really dropped off > because the > >>> multiple works problem is just so frustrating. I suspect that when this > >>> problem is solved I will come back, but right now I find that unless > you can > >>> make a record all the way right, it's not worth the time to edit it > and then > >>> submit a request (or, more likely, 6 requests). Ugh. > >> > >> Indeed, why developer time hasn't been dedicated to this instead of > other > >> less obviously needed issues kinda amazes me. Especially if the high-ups > >> want a community to form - frustrating users making basic editing > impossible > >> doesn't seem like the best way for that. Unsure if there's anyone to > whom > >> this could be said that has any power and would listen though :( > >> > >> Greetings, > >> Nicolás > >> > >> ___ > >> Ol-discuss mailing list > >> Ol-discuss@archive.org > >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org > >> > > ___ > > Ol-discuss mailing list > > Ol-discuss@archive.org > > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org > > ___ > Ol-discuss mailing list > Ol-discuss@archive.org > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org > ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
I totally understand you frustration, Sarah, for my it's the same. But I just don't want to quit OL since it seems to be the only project which is supposed to be an open community producing free data. If technically and from a workflow point of view, getting pull request accepted is possible, should a few people unite to code this feature? Am 06.06.2013 16:25, schrieb Burkhard Plache: > I can only echo the need for guidance on how merging of editions is > supposed to work. > I came here from Goodreads after they sold out to Amazon, and hope to > contribute here. > Still learning... > Burkhard > > > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren > wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sarah Breau wrote: >>> Sometimes, I find it frustrating not to be able to merge multiple editions into one record (I only can do half of the work). Sometimes, I writer a support request but sometimes I don't. Simply because this causes more work for me (explain which record should be deleted why) and to some other person (which I now know is volunteer). Perhaps I would be more active editing if I could do more myself. But clearly, you can't give admin rights to everyone (maybe if deletion could be reverted, might work but that opens up the whole discussion about changing the source code I suppose). But is there a known process how to get more involved and get more privileges? xan >>> I have to admit, I am far more likely to work on GoodReads records (where >>> anyone can merge editions into works) than I am at OL at this point. I used >>> to spend a lot of time editing on OL but have really dropped off because the >>> multiple works problem is just so frustrating. I suspect that when this >>> problem is solved I will come back, but right now I find that unless you can >>> make a record all the way right, it's not worth the time to edit it and then >>> submit a request (or, more likely, 6 requests). Ugh. >> >> Indeed, why developer time hasn't been dedicated to this instead of other >> less obviously needed issues kinda amazes me. Especially if the high-ups >> want a community to form - frustrating users making basic editing impossible >> doesn't seem like the best way for that. Unsure if there's anyone to whom >> this could be said that has any power and would listen though :( >> >> Greetings, >> Nicolás >> >> ___ >> Ol-discuss mailing list >> Ol-discuss@archive.org >> http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to >> ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org >> > ___ > Ol-discuss mailing list > Ol-discuss@archive.org > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
I can only echo the need for guidance on how merging of editions is supposed to work. I came here from Goodreads after they sold out to Amazon, and hope to contribute here. Still learning... Burkhard On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Nicolás Tamargo de Eguren wrote: > On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sarah Breau wrote: >> >> >> > Sometimes, I find it frustrating not to be able to merge multiple >> > editions into one record (I only can do half of the work). Sometimes, I >> > writer a support request but sometimes I don't. Simply because this causes >> > more work for me (explain which record should be deleted why) and to some >> > other person (which I now know is volunteer). Perhaps I would be more >> > active >> > editing if I could do more myself. >> > But clearly, you can't give admin rights to everyone (maybe if deletion >> > could be reverted, might work but that opens up the whole discussion about >> > changing the source code I suppose). But is there a known process how to >> > get >> > more involved and get more privileges? >> > >> > xan >> >> I have to admit, I am far more likely to work on GoodReads records (where >> anyone can merge editions into works) than I am at OL at this point. I used >> to spend a lot of time editing on OL but have really dropped off because the >> multiple works problem is just so frustrating. I suspect that when this >> problem is solved I will come back, but right now I find that unless you can >> make a record all the way right, it's not worth the time to edit it and then >> submit a request (or, more likely, 6 requests). Ugh. > > > Indeed, why developer time hasn't been dedicated to this instead of other > less obviously needed issues kinda amazes me. Especially if the high-ups > want a community to form - frustrating users making basic editing impossible > doesn't seem like the best way for that. Unsure if there's anyone to whom > this could be said that has any power and would listen though :( > > Greetings, > Nicolás > > ___ > Ol-discuss mailing list > Ol-discuss@archive.org > http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to > ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org > ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Sarah Breau wrote: > > > Sometimes, I find it frustrating not to be able to merge multiple > editions into one record (I only can do half of the work). Sometimes, I > writer a support request but sometimes I don't. Simply because this causes > more work for me (explain which record should be deleted why) and to some > other person (which I now know is volunteer). Perhaps I would be more > active editing if I could do more myself. > > But clearly, you can't give admin rights to everyone (maybe if deletion > could be reverted, might work but that opens up the whole discussion about > changing the source code I suppose). But is there a known process how to > get more involved and get more privileges? > > > > xan > > I have to admit, I am far more likely to work on GoodReads records (where > anyone can merge editions into works) than I am at OL at this point. I used > to spend a lot of time editing on OL but have really dropped off because > the multiple works problem is just so frustrating. I suspect that when this > problem is solved I will come back, but right now I find that unless you > can make a record all the way right, it's not worth the time to edit it and > then submit a request (or, more likely, 6 requests). Ugh. > Indeed, why developer time hasn't been dedicated to this instead of other less obviously needed issues kinda amazes me. Especially if the high-ups want a community to form - frustrating users making basic editing impossible doesn't seem like the best way for that. Unsure if there's anyone to whom this could be said that has any power and would listen though :( Greetings, Nicolás ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
> Sometimes, I find it frustrating not to be able to merge multiple editions > into one record (I only can do half of the work). Sometimes, I writer a > support request but sometimes I don't. Simply because this causes more work > for me (explain which record should be deleted why) and to some other person > (which I now know is volunteer). Perhaps I would be more active editing if I > could do more myself. > But clearly, you can't give admin rights to everyone (maybe if deletion could > be reverted, might work but that opens up the whole discussion about changing > the source code I suppose). But is there a known process how to get more > involved and get more privileges? > > xan I have to admit, I am far more likely to work on GoodReads records (where anyone can merge editions into works) than I am at OL at this point. I used to spend a lot of time editing on OL but have really dropped off because the multiple works problem is just so frustrating. I suspect that when this problem is solved I will come back, but right now I find that unless you can make a record all the way right, it's not worth the time to edit it and then submit a request (or, more likely, 6 requests). Ugh. Sarah ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
A pull request is a term related to the git software for version
control of (text/source code/...) files. The source code for Open
Library is version-controlled in a central 'repository' on GitHub [1].
Anyone can create a copy of that code by 'forking' or 'cloning' the
repository and propose to put the changes they make in their own
copies ('forks') in the central repository (by 'pulling') by sending a
pull request to the central repository administrator. In GitHub this
is done via a web form [2], but you could imagine a programmer sending
an email asking "could you check my improvement to your code? If you
want, you can pull it in[to the central repository]."
I extended a plan for contributing code and sending pull requests to
OL on the wiki [3]. (The ol-tech list may be more appropriate if
anyone wants to talk programming or contributing in more detail.)
Ben
[1] https://github.com/internetarchive/openlibrary
[2] pull requests show up at
https://github.com/internetarchive/openlibrary/pulls
[3] http://openlibrary.org/dev/docs/committing
On 5 June 2013 21:31, jessamyn c. west wrote:
> I
> don't know what a "pull request" is, could you clarify?
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Re: [ol-discuss] Getting more edit privileges
To the best of my knowledge I don't have any special merge options. There's technically a feature that does that, but it's non-functional. So the only way, currently, to merge items is painstakingly by hand (and then alerting someone with admin rights to delete the extra record - I'd love it if we could have some way to automate that process). I'm a longtime supporter/pal of OL/IA which I think is why when I offered to do support stuff there wasn't a long vetting process because there was an immediate job that needed doing. When I tried to get an assistant to help me out, that took a while and wasn't ultimately successful. > Has this been discussed with whoever is the decision maker in the magically > opaque OpenLibrary organization? I kick stuff "upstairs" to Jeff Kaplan the QA/Support guy when there are clear-cut things that need fixing. He then, I think, talks to Anand, but yes things get fixed in a magical style, even for me. I don't know what a "pull request" is, could you clarify? Jessamyn ___ Ol-discuss mailing list Ol-discuss@archive.org http://mail.archive.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ol-discuss To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send email to ol-discuss-unsubscr...@archive.org
