Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?
Hello All, Thanks for your interest and responses. @Fernando, your contribution would be great. As I'm new to the effort, and not overly familiar with the past, I'll just be focusing on the future of AOO user experience. Jeurgen's thoughts align well my my perspective. Jeurgen notes: People should work on the things they are interested in and where they think they can help. Important is that we communicate about what we are doing, why we are doing it and that we agree on a common direction to drive our project and product forward. I [Jeurgen] am sure we will identify areas where people have different opinions and especially in this situations communication and explanation is very important to find consensus Therefore, I'll launch a proposal to archive the current content, harvest actionable and relevant backlog items. Then, we can re-establish the UX community and begin to forge a common direction for the UX effort. Regards, Kevin On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Peter Junge peter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: On 5/4/2012 7:07 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 7:28 AM, Peter Jungepeter.ju...@gmx.org wrote: my answer wasn't valuing anything, so I'm a little bit puzzled about your reply ;-) I was just thinking aloud Peter, not blaming it on you. :) I'm just annoyed by the usual anti-Sun anti-Oracle rants and history rewriting when in fact the firm supported OO.o and StarOffice development with the wages of its developers. OK, I seem to have missed that your post was pure irony. :-) Peter
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1 I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward. +1 Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today. So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice. What we could do to protect our users is something like this: -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD distributors -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo, but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and nothing but OpenOffice. Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page -- *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM you may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher cd...@openoffice.org Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users. If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago. Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then let's do it. Otherwise, imagine the parallel: 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for downloading OpenOffice 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO. 3) We allow them to use the official project logo 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download sites You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would not really help the users. Of course, we would never do something like that with download links. But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically makes it better. It is still a swamp. yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that... Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future. I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand. Juergen We should probably make a minor change on this for now and replace OpenOffice.org with Apache OpenOffice , remove Alex, and point them to ooo-dev? As I'm making final adjustments to things I am finding many such items. * This will disadvantage some NL groups who have been maintaining the information for their region, though. So it needs to be a brief disruption. Andrea Pescetti has done some work on the page today. I suggest consulting with him on a clean way forward. - Dennis -Original Message- From: drew jensen [mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:48 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/ [ ... ] There are quite a few junk links on that page, for sure. At the moment no-one is actively working on a CD image. We don't have a 'community distributor' program, really - right - I think it was a good idea and still is, but this group has to carve out a little time to figure it out anew. so - given the change in project, I really do think the best way forward is to just wipe that page clean, first - and then look at what should go in it's pace. My opinion on that anyway, and to re-emphasize - I think we want distributors and an
[PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - AOO UX wiki refresh
Hello All, It appears that some content on the AOO user experience project wiki ( http://www.openoffice.org/ux/) is somewhat dated and has lost relevance. In reviewing the wiki, some of the UX backlog content is still relevant and should be retained. However, other content, including: activities, to do lists, and UX community membership are in need of a refresh. I propose that we clean up the UX wiki, archive non-relevant content, harvest actionable and relevant backlog items, and start fresh. The goal is the quickly refresh the wiki, re-establish our UX community, and move forward together on the future design direction for AOO. Please share any thoughts or concerns, I will begin the refresh on Monday, May, 14th, 2012. Best regards, Kevin
Re: [PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - AOO UX wiki refresh
+1 A lot of content on wiki/website is out of date. It makes people confused and not easy to get involved. 2012/5/7 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com: Hello All, It appears that some content on the AOO user experience project wiki ( http://www.openoffice.org/ux/) is somewhat dated and has lost relevance. In reviewing the wiki, some of the UX backlog content is still relevant and should be retained. However, other content, including: activities, to do lists, and UX community membership are in need of a refresh. I propose that we clean up the UX wiki, archive non-relevant content, harvest actionable and relevant backlog items, and start fresh. The goal is the quickly refresh the wiki, re-establish our UX community, and move forward together on the future design direction for AOO. Please share any thoughts or concerns, I will begin the refresh on Monday, May, 14th, 2012. Best regards, Kevin -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - AOO UX wiki refresh
Yes, making the community approachable is an important aspect of the refresh. Once we have refreshed the content, we need to make sure that the UX community wiki makes it really clear how people can get involved, make it easy to contribute and have an impact on the design direction of the offering moving forward. Regards, Kevin On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 A lot of content on wiki/website is out of date. It makes people confused and not easy to get involved. 2012/5/7 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com: Hello All, It appears that some content on the AOO user experience project wiki ( http://www.openoffice.org/ux/) is somewhat dated and has lost relevance. In reviewing the wiki, some of the UX backlog content is still relevant and should be retained. However, other content, including: activities, to do lists, and UX community membership are in need of a refresh. I propose that we clean up the UX wiki, archive non-relevant content, harvest actionable and relevant backlog items, and start fresh. The goal is the quickly refresh the wiki, re-establish our UX community, and move forward together on the future design direction for AOO. Please share any thoughts or concerns, I will begin the refresh on Monday, May, 14th, 2012. Best regards, Kevin -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [CODE] need review for issue 119308
On 05.05.2012 08:51, eric b wrote: Hi, Can someone review the patch I attached to the issue ? See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119308 I did not compile it, but the patch looks good. Thank you, Andre Thanks in advance, Eric
Re: offset pages in open office writer
George , Can been many reasons, but most likely, the fonts you use are not present on all your machines. When missing a font , OO gives no warning but try to fake the missing font who can gives your current problems. Hope its helps, Fernand . Hy! My name is Saramet George, and i am one of the editors of the ALS OB magazine from Nicolae Iorga highschool from Negresti, Vaslui, Romania. Me and our entire editors team are using your lovely software OpenOffice.org 3.3 for editing our highscool's magazine, but we are faceing a huge problem. When we transfer edited pages from a computer to another the pages become offset, for example, if we have an article that occupies two pages on another computer it will be three pages long, images are not in their place, and even our customized templates for the magazine are deformed. What can we do to solve this BIG problem?
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Hi On 04.05.2012 18:32, Kay Schenk wrote: On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann orwittm...@googlemail.com wrote: [snip] @All: Can others please test on Windows with MSIE and Firefox? I really hope it's just my Windows XP (in a Virtualbox VM). Here are my results: Windows 7, en-US: - Firefox 10.0.4, en-US window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyzehttp://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze navigator.platform Win32 navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()win32 navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.4 navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 6.1; wow64; rv:10.0.4) gecko/20100101 firefox/10.0.4 navigator.language en-US navigator.userLanguage undefined navigator.systemLanguageundefined navigator.javaEnabled() Yes == getting AOO 3.4 en-US download on .../test/index_new.dl - Windows Internet Explorer 9 window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyzehttp://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze navigator.platform Win32 navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32 navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/5.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E) navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (compatible; msie 9.0; windows nt 6.1; wow64; trident/5.0; slcc2; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 3.5.30729; .net clr 3.0.30729; media center pc 6.0; .net4.0c; .net4.0e) navigator.language undefined navigator.userLanguage de navigator.systemLanguage en-us navigator.javaEnabled() Yes == getting AOO 3.4 de download on .../test/index_new.dl ==** Windows 7, de - Firefox 10.0.4, en-US window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyzehttp://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze navigator.platform Win32 navigator.platform.**toLowerCase()win32 navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:10.0.4) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/10.0.4 navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 6.1; wow64; rv:10.0.4) gecko/20100101 firefox/10.0.4 navigator.language en-US navigator.userLanguage undefined navigator.systemLanguageundefined navigator.javaEnabled() Yes == getting AOO 3.4 en-US download on .../test/index_new.dl - Windows Internet Explorer 8 window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyzehttp://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze navigator.platform Win32 navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32 navigator.userAgent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; .NET4.0C; InfoPath.3) navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 8.0; windows nt6.1; wow64; trident/4.0; slcc2; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 3.5.30729; .net clr 3.0.30729; media center pc 6.0; .net4.0c; infopath.3) navigator.language undefined navigator.userLanguage de navigator.systemLanguage de navigator.javaEnabled() Yes == getting AOO 3.4 de download on .../test/index_new.dl Best regards, Oliver. OK, bottom line -- all OK, right? I am not sure, because different browsers on the same system provides me different languague packages. But, I think it is because of my mixed environments: System 1: - 'en-US 'Windows 7 + same user configurations (keyboard, time zone, time format, location, ...) set to 'de' with 'en-US' FireFox and 'en-US' Windows Internet Explorer. System 2: - 'de' Windows 7 with 'en-US' FireFox and 'de' Windows Internet Explorer Best regards, Oliver.
Re: offset pages in open office writer
Hi, On 07.05.2012 01:05, Saramet George Alexandru wrote: Hy! My name is Saramet George, and i am one of the editors of the ALS OB magazine from Nicolae Iorga highschool from Negresti, Vaslui, Romania. Me and our entire editors team are using your lovely software OpenOffice.org 3.3 for editing our highscool's magazine, but we are faceing a huge problem. When we transfer edited pages from a computer to another the pages become offset, for example, if we have an article that occupies two pages on another computer it will be three pages long, images are not in their place, and even our customized templates for the magazine are deformed. What can we do to solve this BIG problem? In case you are using OpenOffice.org 3.3 on all your computers I also assume that the differences are may be caused by different installed fonts. It would be great, if you could submit an issue in our BugZilla [1] and provide some deeper information about the systems and may be some non-confidential documents in order to reproduce the described behavior. [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/ Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Lost a lot of weight?
Huh, just curious - the information page says that pulling from trunk will bring down ~4 gig. With a fresh pull of the AOO340 branch, it's a mere 1.8 gig, is that about right? Yes, that sounds about right if you only pulled main. Pulling ext_sources and bootstrapping would be another 420MB. Is the mention of 4 gig's for needed space accounting for needed space during and after a build? Subversion keeps a local copy of the checked out files in its .svn directories to speed up diffs etc. This doubles the space requirements. In Subversion 1.7 the .svn repository structure has been revised so the space requirement may be a bit better. Herbert
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On 5/6/12 2:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/06/2012 01:31 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 1:02 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 05/05/2012 Marcus (OOo) wrote: The checksums file is ready: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html It's nice, even though a bit scary (four different verification mechanisms are probably overkill); but this will satisfy everybody, so OK. I see that many links in that page are broken (e.g., links to Windows builds, to 64-bit DEBs and so on); I tend to believe this is known and/or wanted for the time being, but, if it isn't, just click around on that page and you will see plenty of broken links. we can potentially drop one sha checksum ;-) Yes, for sure. I have drafted the download page on the project page. That's good. An additional link to the (upcoming) official announcement (mail archive, blog post, etc.) would be good. http://openofficeorg.staging.apache.org/openofficeorg/downloads.html Review is appreciated. - downloads of source files via Apache mirrors - SDK as well - checksum files directly from dist Do you have any special reason to show download links also here? I initially had only the source files listed there but based on some discussion (email) to use the Apache mirrors for the SDK as well I decided to list the SDK here as well. I think it is common to list at least the source tarballs on this download page directly because the src tarballs are very important for Apache. Well for most of our users the binaries are more important but for that we have the 1-click downloads on www.openoffice.org Juergen All is (will be) available in the download area (currently here: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html; and http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_new_dl.html;). Otherwise I would suggest that the webpage points only to the already existing download webpages. Then we will have less work when updating downloads. Source -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk SDK -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk Binaries -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html Checksums -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums.html If you want to mention the legacy builds it would be great to point also here to the respective webpage: http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html;. If you want to mention the archive in general (prior OOo 3.3.0) this link is helping: http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html;. Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On 5/6/12 2:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/06/2012 01:31 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 1:02 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 05/05/2012 Marcus (OOo) wrote: The checksums file is ready: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html It's nice, even though a bit scary (four different verification mechanisms are probably overkill); but this will satisfy everybody, so OK. I see that many links in that page are broken (e.g., links to Windows builds, to 64-bit DEBs and so on); I tend to believe this is known and/or wanted for the time being, but, if it isn't, just click around on that page and you will see plenty of broken links. we can potentially drop one sha checksum ;-) Yes, for sure. I have drafted the download page on the project page. That's good. An additional link to the (upcoming) official announcement (mail archive, blog post, etc.) would be good. http://openofficeorg.staging.apache.org/openofficeorg/downloads.html Review is appreciated. - downloads of source files via Apache mirrors - SDK as well - checksum files directly from dist Do you have any special reason to show download links also here? All is (will be) available in the download area (currently here: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html; and http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_new_dl.html;). Otherwise I would suggest that the webpage points only to the already existing download webpages. Then we will have less work when updating downloads. Source -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk SDK -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk Binaries -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html Checksums -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums.html by the way why do you have created a new checksums file and not extended the other.html. I think there is enough place and the context is much clearer as on a further page. Juergen If you want to mention the legacy builds it would be great to point also here to the respective webpage: http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html;. If you want to mention the archive in general (prior OOo 3.3.0) this link is helping: http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html;. Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install-rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
Hi. 2012/5/6 Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org +1 I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward. +1 Beginng of zero. With all the ideas here so far. Some old infos: Iso: http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/iso_download.html Art: http://www.openoffice.org/marketing/art/galleries/cdart/previous_cdart.html Best, Albino
Re: Adding a CAT extension to Writer
2012/5/6 Guy Waterval waterval@gmail.com: Hi all, Anaphraseus (http://anaphraseus.sourceforge.net/ ) is a CAT (*C*omputer *A*ided *T*ranslation) extension which fits entirely into the Writer UI. It allows to perform translations directly in Writer and can be connected with an external translation machine as GoogleTranslate, MS Translate or Apertium. To give you an idea of what can/can't be done actually with it, I post the two following files : - ana_fr : original tutorial in french (draft) www.softenpoche.com/sep/ana_fr.odthttp://Www.softenpoche.com/sep/ana_fr.odt - ana_en : translation made with Anaphraseus connected to Google Translate. Sorry for the lot of mistakes, I'm not an en/us writer, but the results are very interesting when you proceed the translation in your own language www.softenpoche.com/sep/ana_en.odt. Have a nice week -- gw Many thanx, Perhaps this aide for localice guides We need a tool for this, I will do a try. -- Antón Méixome - Galician Native Lang Coordination Blog about Galician Office Suite Galician community OOo.org LibO http://blog.openoffice.gl
[postmas...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de: Benachrichtigung über den Übermittlungsstatus]
Dear whoever reads this, I experience problems when mirroring from the (old) openoffice archive. The contact address t...@openoffice.org is not valid anymore (see below), so I hope this is the place to reach someone who can fix the problem or tell us what to do. Diagnostic-code: smtp;550 Apache OpenOffice no longer relays openoffice.org mail. See http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#legacy-openofficeorg-lists Thanks, Carsten Original message: - Hi, the following error occurs when synchronizing with rsync://rsync.services.openoffice.org/openoffice-extended/ whenever this resolves to 212.101.4.244. Bye, Carsten - Forwarded message from cars...@c-otto.de - Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 10:17:54 +0200 (CEST) From: cars...@c-otto.de To: datafe...@ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de Subject: [ftpsync-openoffice-ftp@ftp] (25137) rsync ERROR on 2012.05.07-10:17:54 @ERROR: chroot failed rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1524) [Receiver=3.0.7] - End forwarded message - -- Carsten Otto o...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de LuFG Informatik 2 http://verify.rwth-aachen.de/otto/ etWTH Aachenphone: +49 241 80-21211 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: offset pages in open office writer
On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Saramet George Alexandru sarametgeo...@gmail.com wrote: Hy! My name is Saramet George, and i am one of the editors of the ALS OB magazine from Nicolae Iorga highschool from Negresti, Vaslui, Romania. Me and our entire editors team are using your lovely software OpenOffice.org 3.3 for editing our highscool's magazine, but we are faceing a huge problem. When we transfer edited pages from a computer to another the pages become offset, for example, if we have an article that occupies two pages on another computer it will be three pages long, images are not in their place, and even our customized templates for the magazine are deformed. What can we do to solve this BIG problem? BTW, the poster is not subscribed to the list, so if you have a good response you will need to cc the poster directly. -Rob
opengrok (containing ext_sources)
Hi :) We set up an opengrok [1] installation for the AOO codebase which also crawls the ext_sources directory (as far as I know, this is not the case in the official AOO opengrok installation [2]). This can be useful when debugging code/functionality which relies on a 3rd-party package (in our case mozilla). A cronjob does a checkout of the trunk code every 3h which is then indexed by the opengrok crawler. This is primarily used by people from our team, but it may be useful for others - so feel free to use it as well :) http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org (in a few hours http://opengrok.ad-sy.org should also work) If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards Nicolas [1] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/ [2] http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/ -- Adfinis SyGroup AG Nicolas Christener, Bereichsleiter Software-Entwicklung Keltenstrasse 98, CH-3018 Bern Tel. +41 31 550 31 11, Mob. +41 76 335 32 57
Re: [postmas...@informatik.rwth-aachen.de: Benachrichtigung über den Übermittlungsstatus]
Hi Carsten, Takamichi Akiyama from Japan also known by his nick name Tora was one of the persons who managed the distribution network on OpenOffice.org. It was a good idea to ping this mailing list as most of the network addresses changed during the integration of the OpenOffice.org infrastructure to Apache. I hope that one of the infra Gurus @Apache can help to solve your issues. Kind regards, Joost Andrae Am 07.05.2012 10:28, schrieb Carsten Otto: Dear whoever reads this, I experience problems when mirroring from the (old) openoffice archive. The contact address t...@openoffice.org is not valid anymore (see below), so I hope this is the place to reach someone who can fix the problem or tell us what to do. Diagnostic-code: smtp;550 Apache OpenOffice no longer relays openoffice.org mail. See http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html#legacy-openofficeorg-lists Thanks, Carsten Original message: - Hi, the following error occurs when synchronizing with rsync://rsync.services.openoffice.org/openoffice-extended/ whenever this resolves to 212.101.4.244. Bye, Carsten - Forwarded message from cars...@c-otto.de - Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 10:17:54 +0200 (CEST) From: cars...@c-otto.de To: datafe...@ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de Subject: [ftpsync-openoffice-ftp@ftp] (25137) rsync ERROR on 2012.05.07-10:17:54 @ERROR: chroot failed rsync error: error starting client-server protocol (code 5) at main.c(1524) [Receiver=3.0.7] - End forwarded message -
Re: opengrok (containing ext_sources)
On 07.05.2012 13:50, Nicolas Christener wrote: Hi :) We set up an opengrok [1] installation for the AOO codebase which also crawls the ext_sources directory (as far as I know, this is not the case in the official AOO opengrok installation [2]). This can be useful when debugging code/functionality which relies on a 3rd-party package (in our case mozilla). A cronjob does a checkout of the trunk code every 3h which is then indexed by the opengrok crawler. This is primarily used by people from our team, but it may be useful for others - so feel free to use it as well :) http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org Cool. Thanks. -Andre (in a few hours http://opengrok.ad-sy.org should also work) If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me. Kind regards Nicolas [1] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/ [2] http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/
Re: opengrok (containing ext_sources)
On 5/7/12 1:50 PM, Nicolas Christener wrote: Hi :) We set up an opengrok [1] installation for the AOO codebase which also crawls the ext_sources directory (as far as I know, this is not the case in the official AOO opengrok installation [2]). This can be useful when debugging code/functionality which relies on a 3rd-party package (in our case mozilla). A cronjob does a checkout of the trunk code every 3h which is then indexed by the opengrok crawler. This is primarily used by people from our team, but it may be useful for others - so feel free to use it as well :) http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org (in a few hours http://opengrok.ad-sy.org should also work) If you have any questions, don't hesitate to contact me. great, we had only an updated version internally. How about including a second codeline for AOO340 Something like: aoo3.4 current And maybe adapt the branding a little bit to include some AOO stuff. I hope that we can convince the infra team to host an official opengrok instance at Apache in the future. Or if it is acceptable and you are able to host it, we can make your instance the official one. OpenGrok is of course very useful for developers. Juergen Kind regards Nicolas [1] http://hub.opensolaris.org/bin/view/Project+opengrok/ [2] http://svn.services.openoffice.org/opengrok/
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1 I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward. +1 Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today. So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice. What we could do to protect our users is something like this: -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD distributors -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo, but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and nothing but OpenOffice. Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page -- *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM you may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher cd...@openoffice.org Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users. If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago. Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then let's do it. Otherwise, imagine the parallel: 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for downloading OpenOffice 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO. 3) We allow them to use the official project logo 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download sites You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would not really help the users. Of course, we would never do something like that with download links. But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically makes it better. It is still a swamp. yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that... Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future. I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand. Hi Juergen Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree. //drew
Re: offset pages in open office writer
Hi, On 07.05.2012 13:33, Rob Weir wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 7:05 PM, Saramet George Alexandru sarametgeo...@gmail.com wrote: Hy! My name is Saramet George, and i am one of the editors of the ALS OB magazine from Nicolae Iorga highschool from Negresti, Vaslui, Romania. Me and our entire editors team are using your lovely software OpenOffice.org 3.3 for editing our highscool's magazine, but we are faceing a huge problem. When we transfer edited pages from a computer to another the pages become offset, for example, if we have an article that occupies two pages on another computer it will be three pages long, images are not in their place, and even our customized templates for the magazine are deformed. What can we do to solve this BIG problem? BTW, the poster is not subscribed to the list, so if you have a good response you will need to cc the poster directly. Thanks for hint. I have forwarded all replies which have the reporter not on CC. Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Pages in the social media
Hi 2012/5/6 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: And same here. An official project account should be linking back to the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list, naturally we will use it. I understand that is necessary to have all efforts more close possible related to AOO, but in many times, we haven't this velocity and this can't be a barrier for new volunteers/promoters, IMO. And i think that this was a good example in OOo, where we had freedom to start our regional group, promoting the product and grew because hadn't a similar space in Oracle. In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here. Best, Claudio
Re: Pages in the social media
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi 2012/5/6 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: And same here. An official project account should be linking back to the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list, naturally we will use it. We have a page here: http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ I think you would link the social media account to the main official website. I understand that is necessary to have all efforts more close possible related to AOO, but in many times, we haven't this velocity and this can't be a barrier for new volunteers/promoters, IMO. And i think that this was a good example in OOo, where we had freedom to start our regional group, promoting the product and grew because hadn't a similar space in Oracle. You still have the freedom to do work outside of Apache, But obviously that is not officially part of the project. It is external. It might still do wonderful work. But it is not officially part of Apache OpenOffice. So there is nothing wrong with having both an external www.escritoriolivre.org community, as well as a Brazilian community and list within the Apache project. But these are two different things. We need to avoid confusing users about what is official and what is not. I understand that OpenOffice.org did things differently here. In some sense they compensated for strong corporate control of the code by giving more autonomy to the NLC. That was how they achieved peace with the community, But we don't have that issue here. At Apache everyone has equal freedom to work directly within the project. -Rob In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here. Best, Claudio
Re: [PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - AOO UX wiki refresh
+1. With a refreshed UX wiki as a start, I expect UX to interact with dev more closely. Helen 2012/5/7 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Yes, making the community approachable is an important aspect of the refresh. Once we have refreshed the content, we need to make sure that the UX community wiki makes it really clear how people can get involved, make it easy to contribute and have an impact on the design direction of the offering moving forward. Regards, Kevin On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 A lot of content on wiki/website is out of date. It makes people confused and not easy to get involved. 2012/5/7 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com: Hello All, It appears that some content on the AOO user experience project wiki ( http://www.openoffice.org/ux/) is somewhat dated and has lost relevance. In reviewing the wiki, some of the UX backlog content is still relevant and should be retained. However, other content, including: activities, to do lists, and UX community membership are in need of a refresh. I propose that we clean up the UX wiki, archive non-relevant content, harvest actionable and relevant backlog items, and start fresh. The goal is the quickly refresh the wiki, re-establish our UX community, and move forward together on the future design direction for AOO. Please share any thoughts or concerns, I will begin the refresh on Monday, May, 14th, 2012. Best regards, Kevin -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [PROPOSAL] [USER EXPERIENCE DESIGN] - AOO UX wiki refresh
Indeed, a single, unified vision of future design direction is important for all stakeholders and will help keep our broader effort focused. User experience design is about understanding how people use our products and how these product compliment and integrate into their real lives. UX looks forward to telling this story, both internally and externally. Regards, Kevin On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Yue Helen helenyu...@gmail.com wrote: +1. With a refreshed UX wiki as a start, I expect UX to interact with dev more closely. Helen 2012/5/7 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com Yes, making the community approachable is an important aspect of the refresh. Once we have refreshed the content, we need to make sure that the UX community wiki makes it really clear how people can get involved, make it easy to contribute and have an impact on the design direction of the offering moving forward. Regards, Kevin On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com wrote: +1 A lot of content on wiki/website is out of date. It makes people confused and not easy to get involved. 2012/5/7 Kevin Grignon kevingrignon...@gmail.com: Hello All, It appears that some content on the AOO user experience project wiki ( http://www.openoffice.org/ux/) is somewhat dated and has lost relevance. In reviewing the wiki, some of the UX backlog content is still relevant and should be retained. However, other content, including: activities, to do lists, and UX community membership are in need of a refresh. I propose that we clean up the UX wiki, archive non-relevant content, harvest actionable and relevant backlog items, and start fresh. The goal is the quickly refresh the wiki, re-establish our UX community, and move forward together on the future design direction for AOO. Please share any thoughts or concerns, I will begin the refresh on Monday, May, 14th, 2012. Best regards, Kevin -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Andrea Pescetti pesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_**3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install-**deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_**3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install-**rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/checksums_new_**dl.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. OK, thanks for this...the official checksums file should now be living in http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html. I need tomake sure this is the most recent version before moving on. And, I do think this needed its own page... ..back in a bit after I deal with personal home related issues. Regards, Andrea. -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On 5/7/12 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_**3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install-**deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_**3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install-**rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/checksums_new_**dl.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. OK, thanks for this...the official checksums file should now be living in http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html. I need tomake sure this is the most recent version before moving on. And, I do think this needed its own page... you mean the checksums have to be on a separate page? Why? Why make it so complicate? I don't understand the reason. Pleas explain it to me, I am eager to learn ;-) Juergen ..back in a bit after I deal with personal home related issues. Regards, Andrea.
Re: Pages in the social media
Rob, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Claudio Filho filh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi 2012/5/6 Rob Weir robw...@apache.org: And same here. An official project account should be linking back to the project website, not to www.escritoriolivre.org. Rob, remember that we *haven't* infra yet. When we have a pt-br list, naturally we will use it. We have a page here: http://www.openoffice.org/pt-br/ snip I understand that OpenOffice.org did things differently here. In some sense they compensated for strong corporate control of the code by giving more autonomy to the NLC. That was how they achieved peace with the community, But we don't have that issue here. At Apache everyone has equal freedom to work directly within the project. Sun's Hamburg team lead and, initially, the US elements, considered the NL projects as at best walled gardens and at worst a waste of time. I had to proceed very cautiously with them, until such a point that momentum took over. And it took over:-) The LO/TDF contingent that left was almost entirely the NLC population. Put another way, the NLC were not a palliative, or if it was thought by some to be such, was a rather lousy one. Rather, they were vehicles to seek a sustainable community independent of any one company. The element that *was* mean to bring in people were the extensions, though these too were not palliative. But this too took a rather long time to realise and put into effect, and as some here can attest, it too was proceed with cautiously. But I totally agree with your point that here, in Apache-land, things are fundamentally different and more open, as governance is accountable to Apache and is not directed by the business needs of any single company owning the code. The transition to this model is right now going rather well, all things considered. But what will make the deciding difference, I believe, is to build the ecosystem anew. Louis -Rob In other hand, we can (re)discuss this question here. Best, Claudio
Handling of pictures in Writer
Hi all, user often ask why they cannot rotate pictures in Writer, e.g issue 3545. There exists a tip to copy a picture from Draw to Writer, then it can be rotated. But that Draw-picture is different from a Writer- picture. I have made a table to collect the differences between Writer-pictures and Draw-pictures. It is currently in my personal area on the Media-wiki. If you find it useful and you know a suitable place, please tell me where to put it. http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina/ComparisonWriterDrawPicture Kind regards Regina
Re: Handling of pictures in Writer
Le 7 mai 12 à 18:01, Regina Henschel a écrit : Hi all, Hi Regina, user often ask why they cannot rotate pictures in Writer, e.g issue 3545. There exists a tip to copy a picture from Draw to Writer, then it can be rotated. But that Draw-picture is different from a Writer- picture. I have made a table to collect the differences between Writer- pictures and Draw-pictures. Thanks a lot ! FYI, there was a little mismatch with the issue number, and I fixed it on the wiki It is currently in my personal area on the Media-wiki. If you find it useful and you know a suitable place, please tell me where to put it. I think it it the right location. Let's wait for other opinions though ... http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina/ ComparisonWriterDrawPicture That's a very good idea. As you probably read in the issue, I took over the task, and I'll use this wiki page to report any progress and step done. The idea is, as discussed with Oliver and Armin, to reuse some Draw features in Writer, like (image rotation). There is a lot to do and any help is welcome. Current work in progress : - I expermiented some hack (adding image Rotation), but something is missing - reading most of the Draw code. - comparing Writer and Draw shells. Long term plan : Make it work. Are you interested to share / contribute to the task with me ? Regards, Erid -- qɔᴉɹə Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
update*.services.openoffice.org
I see there have been some attempts to understand and fix the update functionality. One aspect that does not seem to have been covered is that several of the host names embedded in existing releases currently point to what appears to be a 3rd party host, viz: sd-web4.staroffice.de This resolves to IP 192.18.197.105 but is not responding. Are there any plans to bring the hostnames in-house? The host names that are affected include the following: update.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web4.staroffice.de. update30.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update31.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update32.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update33.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update34.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update35.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update36.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. I don't know if there are any others.
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1 I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward. +1 Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today. So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice. What we could do to protect our users is something like this: -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD distributors -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo, but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and nothing but OpenOffice. Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page -- *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM you may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher cd...@openoffice.org Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users. If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago. Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then let's do it. Otherwise, imagine the parallel: 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for downloading OpenOffice 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO. 3) We allow them to use the official project logo 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download sites You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would not really help the users. Of course, we would never do something like that with download links. But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically makes it better. It is still a swamp. yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that... Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future. I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand. Hi Juergen Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree. //drew For now, I just completely commented out the CD ROM and ISO image stuff from the new download page. I can work on this in a bit and when we have what we like I'll put it back in. -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: update*.services.openoffice.org
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:33 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: I see there have been some attempts to understand and fix the update functionality. yes... :) One aspect that does not seem to have been covered is that several of the host names embedded in existing releases currently point to what appears to be a 3rd party host, viz: sd-web4.staroffice.de This resolves to IP 192.18.197.105 but is not responding. Are there any plans to bring the hostnames in-house? The host names that are affected include the following: update.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web4.staroffice.de. update30.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update31.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update32.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update33.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update34.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update35.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. update36.services.openoffice.org is an alias for sd-web2.staroffice.de. I don't know if there are any others. yes, you are correct...I found some of these as well once upon a time. Thanks for providing this information more clearly. -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:33, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.comwrote: On 5/7/12 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/checksums_new_**dl.html http://www.openoffice.**org/download/test/checksums_**new_dl.htmlhttp://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. OK, thanks for this...the official checksums file should now be living in http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/checksums/** 3.4.0_checksums.htmlhttp://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html . I need tomake sure this is the most recent version before moving on. And, I do think this needed its own page... you mean the checksums have to be on a separate page? Why? Why make it so complicate? I don't understand the reason. Pleas explain it to me, I am eager to learn ;-) I can't really give you an explanation except to say this is how it was done in the past. The current checksums page is quite large...they COULD be tacked on to other.html I guess, but it just seems cleaner this well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? I really hope we can revamp the whole page in the future. A cleaner, simpler design. Consistent translated content with a modern fresh design ;-) Juergen Juergen ..back in a bit after I deal with personal home related issues. Regards, Andrea. -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
[WWW] OOO-Site Publishing Blackout
Hi All, We'll be making a change to the www.openoffice.org site banner. We'll need an ooo-site publishing blackout until the release is announced. Let's start this at 3PM EDT which is less than 2 hours. Please continue to make ooo-site changes testing on staging. They'll all be published at once when the release is officially announced. Regards, Dave
Re: Who is Page Maintainer Now? http://www.openoffice.org/distribution/cdrom/
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:35, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:35 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Mon, 2012-05-07 at 08:16 +0200, Juergen Schmidt wrote: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 03:06, Kay Schenk wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:27 PM, Kay Schenk kay.sch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:01 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: +1 I agree. It looks like doing a reset and then rebuilding this structure in a way that is appropriate for Apache OpenOffice is the best way forward. +1 Right now we have no guarantees that these distributors are actually distributing current versions of OpenOffice, older versions with security issues, or even modified versions of OpenOffice with adware inserted. We see things like this happening all over the web today. So I'd be very careful on how we associate the project with initiatives like this. It is one thing if a PMC member or someone known to us wants to distribute CD's at a conference. It is another thing for us to put up free advertising for unknown parties to sell what may or may not be real copies of OpenOffice. What we could do to protect our users is something like this: -- Define a new logo, perhaps based on the project logo, for CD distributors -- Put the logo up on a webpage page and allow anyone to use the logo, but only if it is used on a CD containing a release of OpenOffice and nothing but OpenOffice. Well there is a rather prominent disclaimer on the page -- *Note: OpenOffice.org makes no claims about the contents of any CD-ROM you may purchase from a distributor listed here. We list these only as a courtesy to the community. Should you find old or invalid links, please report them to the page maintainer: Alex Fisher cd...@openoffice.org Yes. But at that point I'm not sure we're really helping our users. If they want to pay money to get a CD of uncertain quality and contents, a simple search of Google will give them plenty of opportunities to take that risk, without this project getting involved. Maybe this wasn't the case 12 years ago. Of course, if we can find a way to do the user a real service and have a way of ensuring they are getting a genuine copy of OpenOffice, then let's do it. Otherwise, imagine the parallel: 1) We set up a page for 3rd parties to request that we add a link for downloading OpenOffice 2) We don't verify that they actually offer genuine AOO. 3) We allow them to use the official project logo 4) We don't even check to see if they are allowing free downloads 5) So we end up with a page full of links to eBay ads and the various scams that are already out there pretending to be OpenOffice download sites You can see what a mess that would be if we allowed this for 3rd party download sites, if we just added links on request. A disclaimer would not really help the users. Of course, we would never do something like that with download links. But I'm not sure that just changing the media to CD-Rom magically makes it better. It is still a swamp. yes...so, a solution? ditch the page entirely? We can certainly do that... Maybe yes with a note that we are working on a reliable and working solution for the future. I can think of a partner who we know and who simply produce it on demand. Hi Juergen Those damed folks where just clingers on anyway - I am sure you agree. //drew For now, I just completely commented out the CD ROM and ISO image stuff from the new download page. I can work on this in a bit and when we have what we like I'll put it back in. +1 Juergen -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Hi 2012/5/5 Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de: However, the Debian project has initiated this Firefox fork and therefore I think it's OK to assume that the very most Iceweasel browser are running on Debian, Ubuntu Co. No. Isn't exactly in this way, Marcus. This problem happens only with Debian in function of disagree between Mozilla and Debian about the use of trademark and brand. Ubuntu have a agreement with Mozilla for free user of brand. In the same situation is the Waterfox[1], but i haven't a win64 to test. [1]http://waterfoxproject.org/ Claudio
Re: [WWW] OOO-Site Publishing Blackout
Hi. 2012/5/7 Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net Hi All, We'll be making a change to the www.openoffice.org site banner. We'll need an ooo-site publishing blackout until the release is announced. Let's start this at 3PM EDT which is less than 2 hours. Please continue to make ooo-site changes testing on staging. They'll all be published at once when the release is officially announced. Regards, Dave Ok. If need of have tests warn us. :) Best, Albino
Re: [WWW] OOO-Site Publishing Blackout
On 05/07/2012 10:11 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: Hi All, We'll be making a change to the www.openoffice.org site banner. We'll need an ooo-site publishing blackout until the release is announced. Let's start this at 3PM EDT which is less than 2 hours. got it! Please continue to make ooo-site changes testing on staging. They'll all be published at once when the release is officially announced. Regards, Dave -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: Handling of pictures in Writer
Hi Eric, eric b schrieb: Le 7 mai 12 à 18:01, Regina Henschel a écrit : Hi all, Hi Regina, user often ask why they cannot rotate pictures in Writer, e.g issue 3545. There exists a tip to copy a picture from Draw to Writer, then it can be rotated. But that Draw-picture is different from a Writer- picture. I have made a table to collect the differences between Writer-pictures and Draw-pictures. Thanks a lot ! FYI, there was a little mismatch with the issue number, and I fixed it on the wiki That is the advantage of a wiki :) It is currently in my personal area on the Media-wiki. If you find it useful and you know a suitable place, please tell me where to put it. I think it it the right location. Let's wait for other opinions though ... http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Regina/ComparisonWriterDrawPicture That's a very good idea. As you probably read in the issue, I took over the task, and I'll use this wiki page to report any progress and step done. The idea is, as discussed with Oliver and Armin, to reuse some Draw features in Writer, like (image rotation). There is a lot to do and any help is welcome. Current work in progress : - I expermiented some hack (adding image Rotation), but something is missing Me too, I have tried to rotate it by Basic macro. The rotation itself works, but I do not get the bounding rectangle adapted. - reading most of the Draw code. - comparing Writer and Draw shells. Long term plan : Make it work. Are you interested to share / contribute to the task with me ? Yes. I'm currently working to get some features form LO to AOO and vs, which starts with building on Windows. But I'm very interested in all things connected with Draw and would like to be informed about your general approach and progress. I like coding, however I'm no professional. But I can test your work at least, and -ask Armin- usually find a lot of bugs and deficiencies. Kind regards Regina
OpenOffice template website (problem with download counters)
Hi there, I am writing to let you know that there is a problem with the download counters on the OpenOffice template website. Currently the weekly, monthly, and annual downloads are not updated by the daily downloads. This means that any new template published on the website will not register any downloads per week, month, or year. It also means that the templates are not correctly ranked by popularity (except when ranked by daily downloads). I have written to Sourceforge about this and they have acknowledged that there is a technical issue with the download counters. A copy of the email is given below. Are here any plans to correct the technical issue or remove the week, month, annual download counters (perhaps being replaced by total downloads to date as shown for other files uploaded on Sourceforge)? Apart from the download counter issue many thanks for getting the template website fully functioning again. Warm Regards, Rupert Parsons Email from Sourceforge: Hi Rupert, the today's counter could work, but it's the only one. The reason is that counters are partially not compatible with i caching-systems, and before OpenOffice was transferred at Apache also Oracle kept them deactived.
Re: OpenOffice template website (problem with download counters)
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Rupert feisa.recur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there, I am writing to let you know that there is a problem with the download counters on the OpenOffice template website. Currently the weekly, monthly, and annual downloads are not updated by the daily downloads. This means that any new template published on the website will not register any downloads per week, month, or year. It also means that the templates are not correctly ranked by popularity (except when ranked by daily downloads). I have written to Sourceforge about this and they have acknowledged that there is a technical issue with the download counters. A copy of the email is given below. Are here any plans to correct the technical issue or remove the week, month, annual download counters (perhaps being replaced by total downloads to date as shown for other files uploaded on Sourceforge)? As per my mail to Rupert's enquiry my suggestion for the time being it's to use SourceForge ones: http://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-templates/files/ Note that you can: - set the data range; - get the data spliy b geographies (using /map e.g. http://goo.gl/jUSQO - get the data split by operating systems (using /os e.g. http://goo.gl/5Sr6Q) Last but not least, to aggregate stats you might take advantage of our APIs: https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/documentation/Download%20Stats%20API/ Hope it helps. Roberto Apart from the download counter issue many thanks for getting the template website fully functioning again. Warm Regards, Rupert Parsons Email from Sourceforge: Hi Rupert, the today's counter could work, but it's the only one. The reason is that counters are partially not compatible with i caching-systems, and before OpenOffice was transferred at Apache also Oracle kept them deactived. -- This e- mail message is intended only for the named recipient(s) above. It may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail and any attachment(s) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by replying to this e-mail and delete the message and any attachment(s) from your system. Thank you.
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Juergen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:33, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.comwrote: On 5/7/12 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/checksums_new_**dl.html http://www.openoffice. **org/download/test/checksums_**new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. OK, thanks for this...the official checksums file should now be living in http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/checksums/** 3.4.0_checksums.html http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html . I need tomake sure this is the most recent version before moving on. And, I do think this needed its own page... you mean the checksums have to be on a separate page? Why? Why make it so complicate? I don't understand the reason. Pleas explain it to me, I am eager to learn ;-) I can't really give you an explanation except to say this is how it was done in the past. The current checksums page is quite large...they COULD be tacked on to other.html I guess, but it just seems cleaner this well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? I really hope we can revamp the whole page in the future. A cleaner, simpler design. Consistent translated content with a modern fresh design ;-) I understand. But, I think Marcus did a GREAT job with this in the time we had to get this going. A LOT of work really... We do have a lot of changes and considerations for the future -- no disagreement from me there. Mock-ups would be appreciated. :) Juergen Juergen ..back in a bit after I deal with personal home related issues. Regards, Andrea. -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
debugging with gdb
How to add debugging symbols of AOO in gdb? I'm trying to debug the AOO but can't figure out how to add debug information into gdb. I add --enable-symbols in configure, and add the path to the source into gdb(maybe it's not right?). But when debugging gdb writes to the console - no debugging symbols found. What's wrong? Regards, Nikolay.
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Juergen Schmidt wrote: [3.4.0_checksums.html] well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? Well, I'm glad that Marcus did it, it's not bad and it was very relieving for me to be able to just link to it from the Italian download page (which is much worse, by the way... but will gradually get better) instead of copying and pasting the MD5SUMs as usual. Regards, Andrea.
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 20:53, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: [3.4.0_checksums.html] well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? Well, I'm glad that Marcus did it, it's not bad and it was very relieving for me to be able to just link to it from the Italian download page (which is much worse, by the way... but will gradually get better) instead of copying and pasting the MD5SUMs as usual. I think more of an automatic generated table or table snippet that can be easy used in other pages as well (included translated pages). A unique design where only the language changed makes a lot of things easier. It's indeed painful todo it manually, believe me I did often enough in the wiki in the past weeks. When I like something at LibO then it is their cleaner webpage. But don't get me wrong we can and will find our own way to provide a clean page in the future. It is not only the technical realization but also the design and I hope some volunteer web designer will be interested to proof their skills here in the future ;-) Juergen Regards, Andrea.
Re: I am glad to retun to AOO
Robert, As others have mentioned, it's good to have you and the team here-- louis 史周波 wrote: Hi，Eric thank you very much. I don't mention it. regards. robertzhou 于 2012年05月04日 16:29, eric b 写道: Le 4 mai 12 à 07:43, 史周波 a écrit : Hi everyone. Hello, I am glad to return to Apache Openoffice.org I am robertzhou, form china . I am working for cs2c . I am old friend of OpenOffice.org. many years ago, I was working for freamework and developer. I'd like to work for Apache OpenOffice.org. I'm insterting in Aoo performace 、framework 、 chinese localization、UOF . Glad to see people like you join ! Be welcome back, and don't be afraid to ask, comment and participate :-) Regards, Eric Bachard
Re: debugging with gdb
Hello Nikolay, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 10:49:55PM +0400, Ochirov Nikolay wrote: How to add debugging symbols of AOO in gdb? I'm trying to debug the AOO but can't figure out how to add debug information into gdb. I add --enable-symbols in configure, and add the path to the source into gdb(maybe it's not right?). But when debugging gdb writes to the console - no debugging symbols found. What's wrong? Symbols are usually stripped, you should also add --disable-strip-solver It's better to re-build some modules with special switches. If the module is converted to gbuild: make -sr clean make -sr DEBUG=yes In the older modules, clean the source tree and: build debug=true dbglevel=3 Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpCBfKLtKBww.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: debugging with gdb
Thank you, Ariel! One more question - what is gbuild? 2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hello Nikolay, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 10:49:55PM +0400, Ochirov Nikolay wrote: How to add debugging symbols of AOO in gdb? I'm trying to debug the AOO but can't figure out how to add debug information into gdb. I add --enable-symbols in configure, and add the path to the source into gdb(maybe it's not right?). But when debugging gdb writes to the console - no debugging symbols found. What's wrong? Symbols are usually stripped, you should also add --disable-strip-solver It's better to re-build some modules with special switches. If the module is converted to gbuild: make -sr clean make -sr DEBUG=yes In the older modules, clean the source tree and: build debug=true dbglevel=3 Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: debugging with gdb
Hi Nikolay, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 11:16:55PM +0400, Ochirov Nikolay wrote: Thank you, Ariel! One more question - what is gbuild? AOO build environment is a mix of a Perl script (build.pl) + Dmake and the newly introduced Gbuild, a build system based only on GNU Make. Some modules have been ported to the new build environment, you can find it out by looking at the module folder, for example: vcl, sfx2, sw: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/vcl/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sfx2/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sw/ they all have * a main general Makefile * a Module_$MODULENAME.mk * a Library_$LIBRARYNAME.mk per library * etc. Modules not ported to gbuild do not have those makefiles, see sd, sc, avmedia for example http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sc/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sd/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/avmedia/ You build the whole office in trunk/main/instsetoo_native/ with cd main/instsetoo_native/ build --html --all -P8 -- -P4 (an example, only) You build individual modules not ported to gbuild with the build.pl script: cd trunk/main/sc/ build deug=true dbglevel=3 You build individual modules ported to gbuild with make: cd trunk/main/vcl/ make -sr DEBUG=yes Of course, you have to know which modules to build with debugging symbols. If you can't figure it out, just tell us what you are interested in debugging and we'll give you a hint. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpCYoMUkaDNL.pgp Description: PGP signature
3.4 Release Notes overview / brief listing?
Given the large end-user population, it feels like it would be really helpful for less technical users if the Release Notes [1] included both an additional sentence in the first para about the change from OpenOffice.org to Apache OpenOffice (same great stuff, just a new name), and *especially* if they included a single *high-level* bullet list of the major functional updates made. I.e. while ooo-dev@ folks understand the distinctions between things added from the OO340 codeline versus things completely new at Apache, etc., the average end user won't have a clue what the difference is. They're just looking for a simple high-level list of functionality changes at the start of the document. I'd think this could lump a number of the detailed items (which should still be listed in the doc later on like they are!) into some higher level items, like Improved startup speed, reliability, and security as a rollup description of several of the features. Just an idea. If I have time tonight I'll try to make more specific suggestions - although I hadn't realized the list was so long! - Shane [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Release+Notes
Re: debugging with gdb
Thank you, Ariel! I will try to deal with gbuild. This is somwthing new) In general, I want to debug feature Desktop::Main(). After correcting i have error in it. Regards, Nikolay 2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Nikolay, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 11:16:55PM +0400, Ochirov Nikolay wrote: Thank you, Ariel! One more question - what is gbuild? AOO build environment is a mix of a Perl script (build.pl) + Dmake and the newly introduced Gbuild, a build system based only on GNU Make. Some modules have been ported to the new build environment, you can find it out by looking at the module folder, for example: vcl, sfx2, sw: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/vcl/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sfx2/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sw/ they all have * a main general Makefile * a Module_$MODULENAME.mk * a Library_$LIBRARYNAME.mk per library * etc. Modules not ported to gbuild do not have those makefiles, see sd, sc, avmedia for example http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sc/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/sd/ http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/avmedia/ You build the whole office in trunk/main/instsetoo_native/ with cd main/instsetoo_native/ build --html --all -P8 -- -P4 (an example, only) You build individual modules not ported to gbuild with the build.plscript: cd trunk/main/sc/ build deug=true dbglevel=3 You build individual modules ported to gbuild with make: cd trunk/main/vcl/ make -sr DEBUG=yes Of course, you have to know which modules to build with debugging symbols. If you can't figure it out, just tell us what you are interested in debugging and we'll give you a hint. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Am 05/07/2012 07:15 PM, schrieb Claudio Filho: 2012/5/5 Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de: However, the Debian project has initiated this Firefox fork and therefore I think it's OK to assume that the very most Iceweasel browser are running on Debian, Ubuntu Co. No. Isn't exactly in this way, Marcus. This problem happens only with Debian in function of disagree between Mozilla and Debian about the Yes, but that is what I wrote. use of trademark and brand. Ubuntu have a agreement with Mozilla for free user of brand. OK, that is indeed new for me. Thanks for the info. Marcus In the same situation is the Waterfox[1], but i haven't a win64 to test. [1]http://waterfoxproject.org/ Claudio
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Am 05/07/2012 11:00 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 2:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/06/2012 01:31 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 1:02 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 05/05/2012 Marcus (OOo) wrote: The checksums file is ready: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html It's nice, even though a bit scary (four different verification mechanisms are probably overkill); but this will satisfy everybody, so OK. I see that many links in that page are broken (e.g., links to Windows builds, to 64-bit DEBs and so on); I tend to believe this is known and/or wanted for the time being, but, if it isn't, just click around on that page and you will see plenty of broken links. we can potentially drop one sha checksum ;-) Yes, for sure. I have drafted the download page on the project page. That's good. An additional link to the (upcoming) official announcement (mail archive, blog post, etc.) would be good. http://openofficeorg.staging.apache.org/openofficeorg/downloads.html Review is appreciated. - downloads of source files via Apache mirrors - SDK as well - checksum files directly from dist Do you have any special reason to show download links also here? I initially had only the source files listed there but based on some discussion (email) to use the Apache mirrors for the SDK as well I decided to list the SDK here as well. I think it is common to list at least the source tarballs on this download page directly because the src tarballs are very important for Apache. Well for most of our users the binaries are more important but for that we have the 1-click downloads on www.openoffice.org Don't get me wrong. These are good arguments - also because we are actually just one of many ASF podlings. However, it is still another location to take care for any changes. My 2 ct. Marcus All is (will be) available in the download area (currently here: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html; and http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_new_dl.html;). Otherwise I would suggest that the webpage points only to the already existing download webpages. Then we will have less work when updating downloads. Source -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk SDK -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk Binaries -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html Checksums -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums.html If you want to mention the legacy builds it would be great to point also here to the respective webpage: http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html;. If you want to mention the archive in general (prior OOo 3.3.0) this link is helping: http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html;. Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Am 05/07/2012 11:37 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 2:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/06/2012 01:31 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 1:02 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 05/05/2012 Marcus (OOo) wrote: The checksums file is ready: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html It's nice, even though a bit scary (four different verification mechanisms are probably overkill); but this will satisfy everybody, so OK. I see that many links in that page are broken (e.g., links to Windows builds, to 64-bit DEBs and so on); I tend to believe this is known and/or wanted for the time being, but, if it isn't, just click around on that page and you will see plenty of broken links. we can potentially drop one sha checksum ;-) Yes, for sure. I have drafted the download page on the project page. That's good. An additional link to the (upcoming) official announcement (mail archive, blog post, etc.) would be good. http://openofficeorg.staging.apache.org/openofficeorg/downloads.html Review is appreciated. - downloads of source files via Apache mirrors - SDK as well - checksum files directly from dist Do you have any special reason to show download links also here? All is (will be) available in the download area (currently here: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html; and http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_new_dl.html;). Otherwise I would suggest that the webpage points only to the already existing download webpages. Then we will have less work when updating downloads. Source -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk SDK -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk Binaries -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html Checksums -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums.html by the way why do you have created a new checksums file and not extended the other.html. I think there is enough place and the context is much clearer as on a further page. The context would fit, yes. But IMHO there is no place left. If it would be combined than every table cell would have 5 download links. much to much to keep it simple. A better idea is to integrate the hash links into the green box. And this came from you. :-) It's on the list for improvements and I'll try to do it after the first dust has settle. Then the separate webpage is just a fallback. Marcus If you want to mention the legacy builds it would be great to point also here to the respective webpage: http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html;. If you want to mention the archive in general (prior OOo 3.3.0) this link is helping: http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html;. Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: On May 7, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/07/2012 11:00 AM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 2:51 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/06/2012 01:31 PM, schrieb Jürgen Schmidt: On 5/6/12 1:02 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 05/05/2012 Marcus (OOo) wrote: The checksums file is ready: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html It's nice, even though a bit scary (four different verification mechanisms are probably overkill); but this will satisfy everybody, so OK. I see that many links in that page are broken (e.g., links to Windows builds, to 64-bit DEBs and so on); I tend to believe this is known and/or wanted for the time being, but, if it isn't, just click around on that page and you will see plenty of broken links. we can potentially drop one sha checksum ;-) Yes, for sure. I have drafted the download page on the project page. That's good. An additional link to the (upcoming) official announcement (mail archive, blog post, etc.) would be good. http://openofficeorg.staging.apache.org/openofficeorg/downloads.html Review is appreciated. - downloads of source files via Apache mirrors - SDK as well - checksum files directly from dist Do you have any special reason to show download links also here? I initially had only the source files listed there but based on some discussion (email) to use the Apache mirrors for the SDK as well I decided to list the SDK here as well. I think it is common to list at least the source tarballs on this download page directly because the src tarballs are very important for Apache. Well for most of our users the binaries are more important but for that we have the 1-click downloads on www.openoffice.org Don't get me wrong. These are good arguments - also because we are actually just one of many ASF podlings. However, it is still another location to take care for any changes. I would like to have a release defined by an xml and/or doap files which can be transformed using xslt and other tools into download webpages in either html or mdtext. These files would also be useful for other project processes. That would become the one place for the build, qa, release, and website. Regards, Dave Maybe next week, I will start on a new spec page for our DL functions. It will be very general but I'm hoping we can use a wiki page for brainstorming about data structures, logic , output, etc. So, this is a good idea. Stay tuned... My 2 ct. Marcus All is (will be) available in the download area (currently here: http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html; and http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/other_new_dl.html;). Otherwise I would suggest that the webpage points only to the already existing download webpages. Then we will have less work when updating downloads. Source -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk SDK -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/other.html#tested-sdk Binaries -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/index.html Checksums -- http://www.openoffice.org/download/checksums.html If you want to mention the legacy builds it would be great to point also here to the respective webpage: http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/index.html;. If you want to mention the archive in general (prior OOo 3.3.0) this link is helping: http://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html;. Marcus -- MzK Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out. -- Ironic, Alanis Morissette
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Am 05/07/2012 08:27 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Juergen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:33, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.comwrote: On 5/7/12 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/checksums_new_**dl.html http://www.openoffice. **org/download/test/checksums_**new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. OK, thanks for this...the official checksums file should now be living in http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/checksums/** 3.4.0_checksums.html http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html . I need tomake sure this is the most recent version before moving on. And, I do think this needed its own page... you mean the checksums have to be on a separate page? Why? Why make it so complicate? I don't understand the reason. Pleas explain it to me, I am eager to learn ;-) I can't really give you an explanation except to say this is how it was done in the past. The current checksums page is quite large...they COULD be tacked on to other.html I guess, but it just seems cleaner this well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? It's not that bad I guess. But sure it would go better. I've also realized that there are no bullet points display when doing a list with ul or ol. I really hope we can revamp the whole page in the future. A cleaner, simpler design. Consistent translated content with a modern fresh design ;-) Sure. However, this needs time. An expert can do it maybe in less time. But I'm just a little volunteer in his spare time that has less knowledge with HTML/CSS/JS than you with the AOO source code and full time. ;-) I understand. But, I think Marcus did a GREAT job with this in the time we had to get this going. A LOT of work really... We do have a lot of changes and considerations for the future -- no disagreement from me there. Mock-ups would be appreciated. :) Or some links to other websites as reference. Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Am 05/07/2012 09:08 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 20:53, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Juergen Schmidt wrote: [3.4.0_checksums.html] well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? Well, I'm glad that Marcus did it, it's not bad and it was very relieving for me to be able to just link to it from the Italian download page (which is much worse, by the way... but will gradually get better) instead of copying and pasting the MD5SUMs as usual. I think more of an automatic generated table or table snippet that can be easy used in other pages as well (included translated pages). A unique design where only the language changed makes a lot of things easier. For the RC and Beta releases there was already an automatically created table with download links working. But not for the other.html webpage as there was no pattern that could be followed. But even this is on the list for improvements as we now will release all languages and platforms as the same time. This will make things easier. It's indeed painful todo it manually, believe me I did often enough in the wiki in the past weeks. When I like something at LibO then it is their cleaner webpage. But don't get me wrong we can and will find our own way to provide a clean page in the future. It is not only the technical realization but also the design and I hope some volunteer web designer will be interested to proof their skills here in the future ;-) Yes, this would be also my wish. Best way to improve the design. Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
On May 7, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/07/2012 08:27 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Juergen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:33, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.comwrote: On 5/7/12 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/checksums_new_**dl.html http://www.openoffice. **org/download/test/checksums_**new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. OK, thanks for this...the official checksums file should now be living in http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/checksums/** 3.4.0_checksums.html http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html . I need tomake sure this is the most recent version before moving on. And, I do think this needed its own page... you mean the checksums have to be on a separate page? Why? Why make it so complicate? I don't understand the reason. Pleas explain it to me, I am eager to learn ;-) I can't really give you an explanation except to say this is how it was done in the past. The current checksums page is quite large...they COULD be tacked on to other.html I guess, but it just seems cleaner this well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? It's not that bad I guess. But sure it would go better. I've also realized that there are no bullet points display when doing a list with ul or ol. Probably needs some css magic. I really hope we can revamp the whole page in the future. A cleaner, simpler design. Consistent translated content with a modern fresh design ;-) Sure. However, this needs time. An expert can do it maybe in less time. But I'm just a little volunteer in his spare time that has less knowledge with HTML/CSS/JS than you with the AOO source code and full time. ;-) I understand. But, I think Marcus did a GREAT job with this in the time we had to get this going. A LOT of work really... We do have a lot of changes and considerations for the future -- no disagreement from me there. Mock-ups would be appreciated. :) Or some links to other websites as reference. These can be on the wiki that Kay will make. There is a whole range. I suspect that there is some hovering magic we can do, but perhaps simple is best. Our users don't always have a lot of bandwidth. More in coming weeks. Great work Marcus, Kay and Jürgen and others! Regards, Dave Regards, Dave Marcus
Re: [RELEASE] new DL test...needs review and comments, and probably correction
Am 05/07/2012 11:05 PM, schrieb Dave Fisher: On May 7, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 05/07/2012 08:27 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Juergen Schmidtjogischm...@googlemail.com wrote: On Monday, 7. May 2012 at 18:33, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@googlemail.comwrote: On 5/7/12 5:32 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:38 AM, Andrea Pescettipesce...@apache.org wrote: On 06/05/2012 Andrea Pescetti wrote: It's much improved now, but it seems we still miss several files unless the upload is still ongoing. ... Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- deb_LG.tar.gz Apache_OpenOffice_incubating_3.4.0_Linux_x86-64_install- rpm_LG.tar.gz for virtually all values of LG (ar, cs, de and so on). All files listed in http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/checksums_new_**dl.html http://www.openoffice. **org/download/test/checksums_**new_dl.html http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/checksums_new_dl.html are now available. So now there shouldn't be any missing files any longer. OK, thanks for this...the official checksums file should now be living in http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/checksums/** 3.4.0_checksums.html http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/checksums/3.4.0_checksums.html . I need tomake sure this is the most recent version before moving on. And, I do think this needed its own page... you mean the checksums have to be on a separate page? Why? Why make it so complicate? I don't understand the reason. Pleas explain it to me, I am eager to learn ;-) I can't really give you an explanation except to say this is how it was done in the past. The current checksums page is quite large...they COULD be tacked on to other.html I guess, but it just seems cleaner this well a lot of room for improvements. The pages with the centered tables with different widths looks of course not really professional or what do others think? It's not that bad I guess. But sure it would go better. I've also realized that there are no bullet points display when doing a list withul orol. Probably needs some css magic. Yes, I would guess either in the styles.css or in the exceptions.css. Let's see... I really hope we can revamp the whole page in the future. A cleaner, simpler design. Consistent translated content with a modern fresh design ;-) Sure. However, this needs time. An expert can do it maybe in less time. But I'm just a little volunteer in his spare time that has less knowledge with HTML/CSS/JS than you with the AOO source code and full time. ;-) I understand. But, I think Marcus did a GREAT job with this in the time we had to get this going. A LOT of work really... We do have a lot of changes and considerations for the future -- no disagreement from me there. Mock-ups would be appreciated. :) Or some links to other websites as reference. These can be on the wiki that Kay will make. There is a whole range. I suspect that there is some hovering magic we can do, but perhaps simple is best. Our users don't always have a lot of bandwidth. You mean this one, right? https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Improvements+for+the+download+webpages More in coming weeks. Great work Marcus, Kay and Jürgen and others! Thanks. :-) Marcus
Re: debugging with gdb
Hi Nikolay,
On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 12:25:15AM +0400, Ochirov Nikolay wrote:
Thank you, Ariel!
I will try to deal with gbuild. This is somwthing new)
In general, I want to debug feature Desktop::Main(). After correcting i
have error in it.
then you should rebuild trunk/main/desktop with debugging symbols *and*
also add trunk/main/vcl. Note that soffice is simple a shell script, you
should debug soffice.bin. A typical gdb session:
]$ gdb soffice.bin
Reading symbols from
/home/ariel/OOo/AOOo/openoffice.org3/program/soffice.bin...done.
(gdb) break desktop::Desktop::Main
Function desktop::Desktop::Main not defined.
Make breakpoint pending on future shared library load? (y or [n]) y
Breakpoint 1 (desktop::Desktop::Main) pending.
(gdb) start
Temporary breakpoint 2 at 0x4011c3: file main.c, line 30.
Temporary breakpoint 2, main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffddb8) at main.c:30
30 SAL_IMPLEMENT_MAIN() {
(gdb) c
Continuing.
Breakpoint 1, desktop::Desktop::Main (this=0x7fffdc00) at
/mnt/build/openoffice/apache/trunk/main/desktop/source/app/app.cxx:1772
1772pExecGlobals = new ExecuteGlobals();
(gdb) bt
#0 desktop::Desktop::Main (this=0x7fffdc00) at
/mnt/build/openoffice/apache/trunk/main/desktop/source/app/app.cxx:1772
#1 0x740ed3ba in ImplSVMain () at
/mnt/build/openoffice/apache/trunk/main/vcl/source/app/svmain.cxx:193
#2 0x740ed4ff in SVMain () at
/mnt/build/openoffice/apache/trunk/main/vcl/source/app/svmain.cxx:230
#3 0x779837eb in soffice_main () at
/mnt/build/openoffice/apache/trunk/main/desktop/source/app/sofficemain.cxx:45
#4 0x004011f4 in sal_main () at main.c:31
#5 0x004011d9 in main (argc=1, argv=0x7fffddb8) at main.c:30
Debugging AOO can take to very deep levels, there is no other way to
learn this other than debugging. Some guys have set up an OpenGrok
instance at http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/ you will find this tool
rather useful.
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/xref/aoo-trunk/main/desktop/source/app/app.cxx#1770
I forgot to add that when building individual modules not ported to
gbuild, you should run
build
deliver
deliver will copy the files to the solver. You don't need to re-build,
re-package the whole office. I simply copy the files from
trunk/main/solver/340/*/lib|bin to the office installation.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
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Re: After AOO 3.4?
Hi, RGB ES wrote: 2012/5/5 Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com: Hi. We have to focus on end users, and seek feedback to research, created polls, and others. We need to get statistics AOO. Best, Albino Before that, we need to define who our end users are. We need a set of ideal users with clear needs: students who do their homework, independent writers that use on-line publishing systems, small companies that need to create an invoice or maintain a database of supplies... I'm curious... are you dismissing the vast numbers who were using OOo? Briefly, more than 95 percent of downloads from the mirrors were Windows users. But major deployments were almost entirely in the public sector. Some of the more obvious were listed here [0], but the page is out of date. All those groups have different needs, and the right answer for one group could be a problem for the others. I think that, as was suggested, an effective modus operandi is to work with the NL groups. For instance, there might be public sector or private needs for accessibility features. We here may not have the people to do that but we (an extended we at this point) can work with those wanting it to find the developers louis [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments Regards Ricardo
Re: UOF (was Re: Hi everyone I am OOo old friend , My name is robertzhou)
Hi, Peter Junge wrote: On 5/4/2012 11:37 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote: Hello everyone; A warm welcome to everyone from China; its great to know that while I sleep, someone in another timezone will be making good use of OpenOffice. ;) I dont know much about UOF but we still have remnants of a homepage for that project: http://www.openoffice.org/uof/ The most important thing to get started would be getting the UOF spec translated into English. Best regards, Peter Let's imagine that we can get the UOF automagically translated... Okay, let's not imagine that. Peter, how should we proceed? By contacting Dr Li? I can volunteer to work with that. But what else would need to be done? Louis
Re: key board setting modifications for blind.
Hi Ravish, Ravish kumar wrote: Sir I am devloping a software with very special functionality.it is for blind people. I want to change settings in the way generally key board is interpreted. for example...if '7' is pressed it is treated as 'a'. if 7 is pressed two times..it is treated as 'b'.three times '7' means 'c'. pressing '8' means d... keyboard interpretation will be similiar to keypad of mobile. is it possible to change the way keyboard is interpreted? plz mail me as soon as possible. I'll let others answer. But for now, are you working with other accessibility groups? There was quite a lot done with OOo already, though I don't know if included the kind of changes you want. I am putting here the (compressed) URL for pages found using accessibility as a search term in the old (and now new) OOo wikis: http://goo.gl/ovvXb -louis best Louis RAVISH (india)
Re: After AOO 3.4?
2012/5/8 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com: Hi, RGB ES wrote: 2012/5/5 Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com: Hi. We have to focus on end users, and seek feedback to research, created polls, and others. We need to get statistics AOO. Best, Albino Before that, we need to define who our end users are. We need a set of ideal users with clear needs: students who do their homework, independent writers that use on-line publishing systems, small companies that need to create an invoice or maintain a database of supplies... I'm curious... are you dismissing the vast numbers who were using OOo? Briefly, more than 95 percent of downloads from the mirrors were Windows users. But major deployments were almost entirely in the public sector. Some of the more obvious were listed here [0], but the page is out of date. All those groups have different needs, and the right answer for one group could be a problem for the others. I think that, as was suggested, an effective modus operandi is to work with the NL groups. For instance, there might be public sector or private needs for accessibility features. We here may not have the people to do that but we (an extended we at this point) can work with those wanting it to find the developers louis [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments Regards Ricardo Sorry, but I cannot understand your question. I'm not dismissing anything. I just commented that a home user is not the same than a professional writer, and that both groups have different needs that ask for different solutions. Building usage statistics without considering the differences between users can lead to wrong conclusions: that's all. Maybe is for my professional background, but as physicists I know that before doing research (and analysing user statistics is research) you need a model of what you are looking for: on this case, a set of ideal users with a lists of needs and problems. Only then you will be able to find solutions. Regards Ricardo
Re: What do we need to do in BZ after AOO 3.4 is released?
Am 05/01/2012 09:28 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 05/01/2012 06:24 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Tuesday, 1. May 2012 at 16:41, Rob Weir wrote: Today, among the 100 version strings the users need to scroll through in BZ, we have AOO340-dev. What do we want after we release AOO 3.4? Add AOO340? (Or just rename AOO340-dev to AOO340?) Renaming sounds good to me and all issues with AOO340-dev should be moved to AOO350-dev. Only some special issues that we propose and discuss for a 3.4.1 should get the AOO341-dev version Add AOO341-dev? +1 Add AOO450-dev? you mean AOO350-dev, correct? If yes then +1 Also, are there any products that can be removed or demoted to components under another product? What we have now is simpler than what we had with OOo, but it is still very complicated with a lot of dead wood at the top level. From JIRA I know the Affect Version and Fix Version fields which are used to describe where the problem was seen first and where it will be fixed. In BZ the Version field is used to describe in which version the issue happens. The follow webpage talks about a Target field: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/docs/en/html/bug_page.html 13. *Target: (a.k.a. Target Milestone) A future version by which the bug is to be fixed. e.g. The Bugzilla Project's milestones for future Bugzilla versions are 2.18, 2.20, 3.0, etc. Milestones are not restricted to numbers, thought - you can use any text strings, such as dates. It would be very helpful to organize and keep the overview about issues for specific versions in the future. So, could this field be enabled? Marcus We should upgrade BZ to the newest version where we get more flexibility to disable not longer used products, versions etc. And then we should cleanup the whole BZ. Juergen -Rob was the BZ instance already updated? I now can see a target field in issues. :-) Marcus
Re: svn commit: r1335286 - in /incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/es: producto/base.html producto/calc.html producto/draw.html producto/index.html topnav.mdtext
This should be changed. On May 7, 2012, at 3:32 PM, jucas...@apache.org wrote: +[m0]: /producto/index.html Descripción de las aplicaciones de Apache OpenOffice Should be /es/producto/index.html Regards, Dave
Re: What do we need to do in BZ after AOO 3.4 is released?
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 05/01/2012 09:28 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 05/01/2012 06:24 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Tuesday, 1. May 2012 at 16:41, Rob Weir wrote: Today, among the 100 version strings the users need to scroll through in BZ, we have AOO340-dev. What do we want after we release AOO 3.4? Add AOO340? (Or just rename AOO340-dev to AOO340?) Renaming sounds good to me and all issues with AOO340-dev should be moved to AOO350-dev. Only some special issues that we propose and discuss for a 3.4.1 should get the AOO341-dev version Add AOO341-dev? +1 Add AOO450-dev? you mean AOO350-dev, correct? If yes then +1 Also, are there any products that can be removed or demoted to components under another product? What we have now is simpler than what we had with OOo, but it is still very complicated with a lot of dead wood at the top level. From JIRA I know the Affect Version and Fix Version fields which are used to describe where the problem was seen first and where it will be fixed. In BZ the Version field is used to describe in which version the issue happens. The follow webpage talks about a Target field: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/docs/en/html/bug_page.html 13. *Target: (a.k.a. Target Milestone) A future version by which the bug is to be fixed. e.g. The Bugzilla Project's milestones for future Bugzilla versions are 2.18, 2.20, 3.0, etc. Milestones are not restricted to numbers, thought - you can use any text strings, such as dates. It would be very helpful to organize and keep the overview about issues for specific versions in the future. So, could this field be enabled? Marcus We should upgrade BZ to the newest version where we get more flexibility to disable not longer used products, versions etc. And then we should cleanup the whole BZ. Juergen -Rob was the BZ instance already updated? I now can see a target field in issues. :-) Yes, I did the easy part. The restructuring part that Regina suggested, we'll need to think about when to do that. By default it will generate tons of notifications to ooo-issues if I make those moves. We probably want to wait until a weekend to do that, and especially wait until after the release has been out for a few days, so we don't miss any urgent bug report in the traffic. -ROb Marcus
Re: svn commit: r1335286 - in /incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/es: producto/base.html producto/calc.html producto/draw.html producto/index.html topnav.mdtext
I made this change for you. Regards, Dave On May 7, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: This should be changed. On May 7, 2012, at 3:32 PM, jucas...@apache.org wrote: +[m0]: /producto/index.html Descripción de las aplicaciones de Apache OpenOffice Should be /es/producto/index.html Regards, Dave
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi. How is the progress of the vote ? [0] I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-) 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532 Best, Albino
minimum system of openoffice
openoffice is very large,, Getting started is very difficult. Has a minimum system of openoffice that allow the developers Quick Start ?
Re: What do we need to do in BZ after AOO 3.4 is released?
Am 05/08/2012 12:42 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 05/01/2012 09:28 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 05/01/2012 06:24 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Tuesday, 1. May 2012 at 16:41, Rob Weir wrote: Today, among the 100 version strings the users need to scroll through in BZ, we have AOO340-dev. What do we want after we release AOO 3.4? Add AOO340? (Or just rename AOO340-dev to AOO340?) Renaming sounds good to me and all issues with AOO340-dev should be moved to AOO350-dev. Only some special issues that we propose and discuss for a 3.4.1 should get the AOO341-dev version Add AOO341-dev? +1 Add AOO450-dev? you mean AOO350-dev, correct? If yes then +1 Also, are there any products that can be removed or demoted to components under another product? What we have now is simpler than what we had with OOo, but it is still very complicated with a lot of dead wood at the top level. From JIRA I know the Affect Version and Fix Version fields which are used to describe where the problem was seen first and where it will be fixed. In BZ the Version field is used to describe in which version the issue happens. The follow webpage talks about a Target field: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/docs/en/html/bug_page.html 13. *Target: (a.k.a. Target Milestone) A future version by which the bug is to be fixed. e.g. The Bugzilla Project's milestones for future Bugzilla versions are 2.18, 2.20, 3.0, etc. Milestones are not restricted to numbers, thought - you can use any text strings, such as dates. It would be very helpful to organize and keep the overview about issues for specific versions in the future. So, could this field be enabled? Marcus We should upgrade BZ to the newest version where we get more flexibility to disable not longer used products, versions etc. And then we should cleanup the whole BZ. Juergen -Rob was the BZ instance already updated? I now can see a target field in issues. :-) Yes, I did the easy part. The restructuring part that Regina suggested, we'll need to think about when to do that. By default it will generate tons of notifications to ooo-issues if I make those moves. We probably want to wait until a weekend to do that, and Or temporary disable the mail notification for this task? Maybe this is possible. especially wait until after the release has been out for a few days, so we don't miss any urgent bug report in the traffic. Marcus
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi Albino, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Hi. How is the progress of the vote ? [0] I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-) 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532 The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;) http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :) Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the name of the moderators. Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpTxp40VUuN0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: key board setting modifications for blind.
Hi Louis, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 06:21:40PM -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi Ravish, He is not subscribed to the list ;) Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpS4CpN9C9Po.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: minimum system of openoffice
On Tue, 2012-05-08 at 06:57 +0800, jianlizhao wrote: openoffice is very large,, Getting started is very difficult. Has a minimum system of openoffice that allow the developers Quick Start ? Hi, Are you asking for a list of required software or something more? For instance a VM image with everything needed to load and go with a build. Thanks, Drew
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi 2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;) http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :) The 72h the ended (04/May/12 20:39) since the reactivate of proposal. Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the name of the moderators. The moderators of list are I and Claudio. I did the update in the JIRA. Thanks Ariel. Best, Albino
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org wrote: Hi Albino, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 07:52:50PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Hi. How is the progress of the vote ? [0] I see no change yet. Waiting an result positive. :-) 0 - issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4532 The Spanish proposal only got one +1 ;) http://markmail.org/message/gxcn6ksi3cz26rjb And that is perfectly OK. Lazy consensus is about seeing if anyone has objections. If they don't then there is no need to say +1. Silence is consent. Sometimes I think we overuse +1 to mean I have no objections. IMHO, +1 should mean more like I strongly support this and am willing to help. You simply have to wait the 72 hrs :) Then update the JIRA issue with the link to the proposal thread and the name of the moderators. And then please update this page, once the list is created: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/native-lang.html -Rob Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi. 2012/5/7 Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com The moderators of list are I and Claudio. I did the update in the JIRA. Thanks Ariel. Best, Albino Sorry! Just completing, for volunteering to moderate the mailing list: I, Claudio and Luiz. :) Tks, Albino
Re: What do we need to do in BZ after AOO 3.4 is released?
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:58 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 05/08/2012 12:42 AM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 05/01/2012 09:28 PM, schrieb Marcus (OOo): Am 05/01/2012 06:24 PM, schrieb Juergen Schmidt: On Tuesday, 1. May 2012 at 16:41, Rob Weir wrote: Today, among the 100 version strings the users need to scroll through in BZ, we have AOO340-dev. What do we want after we release AOO 3.4? Add AOO340? (Or just rename AOO340-dev to AOO340?) Renaming sounds good to me and all issues with AOO340-dev should be moved to AOO350-dev. Only some special issues that we propose and discuss for a 3.4.1 should get the AOO341-dev version Add AOO341-dev? +1 Add AOO450-dev? you mean AOO350-dev, correct? If yes then +1 Also, are there any products that can be removed or demoted to components under another product? What we have now is simpler than what we had with OOo, but it is still very complicated with a lot of dead wood at the top level. From JIRA I know the Affect Version and Fix Version fields which are used to describe where the problem was seen first and where it will be fixed. In BZ the Version field is used to describe in which version the issue happens. The follow webpage talks about a Target field: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/docs/en/html/bug_page.html 13. *Target: (a.k.a. Target Milestone) A future version by which the bug is to be fixed. e.g. The Bugzilla Project's milestones for future Bugzilla versions are 2.18, 2.20, 3.0, etc. Milestones are not restricted to numbers, thought - you can use any text strings, such as dates. It would be very helpful to organize and keep the overview about issues for specific versions in the future. So, could this field be enabled? Marcus We should upgrade BZ to the newest version where we get more flexibility to disable not longer used products, versions etc. And then we should cleanup the whole BZ. Juergen -Rob was the BZ instance already updated? I now can see a target field in issues. :-) Yes, I did the easy part. The restructuring part that Regina suggested, we'll need to think about when to do that. By default it will generate tons of notifications to ooo-issues if I make those moves. We probably want to wait until a weekend to do that, and Or temporary disable the mail notification for this task? Maybe this is possible. It is possible to disable all emails. That would include notifications to ooo-issues, notifications to bug authors, owners and watchers, even password reset requests. So if we do that we need schedule that for off-hours maintenance and give some advance notice on the list. especially wait until after the release has been out for a few days, so we don't miss any urgent bug report in the traffic. Marcus
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi Albino, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 08:30:26PM -0300, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote: Hi. 2012/5/7 Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com The moderators of list are I and Claudio. I did the update in the JIRA. Thanks Ariel. Best, Albino Sorry! Just completing, for volunteering to moderate the mailing list: I, Claudio and Luiz. :) Just in case, please add a list with the names and the mails; like: Moderators: 1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com 2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com 3. Luiz (?) I was about to do it myself, when I found there are two Luiz: luizheli luizheli at gmail dot com Luiz Oliveira lcoluiggi at gmail dot com I'm not sure who is the Luiz future moderator here, so please add the list yourself :) Regards -- Ariel Constenla-Haile La Plata, Argentina pgpdrpra23PCl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
If your changes show properly in the Preview mode, then they will be correctly saved when you Save. Sometimes the ATS delivers stale pages, so you might see the original page, unchanged, after the Save. The workaround is described in Moving Day: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day Taking a break also works; the stale pages expire and go away. Sorry for the problem, but it's quite beyond my poor powers to fix. Thanks Time permitting, I will make some more changes as needed. The important thing, however, is that it is already understandable :-) -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi. 2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Just in case, please add a list with the names and the mails; like: Moderators: 1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com 2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com 3. Luiz (?) I was about to do it myself, when I found there are two Luiz: luizheli luizheli at gmail dot com Luiz Oliveira lcoluiggi at gmail dot com I'm not sure who is the Luiz future moderator here, so please add the list yourself :) Ok, :) The moderators: 1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com 2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com 3. Luiz Oliveira, lcoluiggi at gmail dot com I added in JIRA, thanks. Best, Albino
[PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Dear all, I would like to propose to separate the Traditional Chinese website from the Simplified Chinese website. Currently they are on a same website: zh.openoffice.org. I would suggest to split it into zh-cn.openoffice.org and zh-tw.openoffice.org (or zh-hans.openoffice.org and zh-hant.openoffice.org). Currently there are two copies of each page on a same website, which is already separated realitically. The issues for Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese are quite different. The two language may still cooperate, but the separation will make the maintenance easier and more close to the local communities. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of a mailing list for brazilian volunteers
Hi, Em 07-05-2012 21:06, Albino Biasutti Neto escreveu: Hi. 2012/5/7 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Just in case, please add a list with the names and the mails; like: Moderators: 1. Albino Biasutti Neto, biasuttin at gmail dot com 2. Claudio F. Filho, filhocf at gmail dot com 3. Luiz (?) I'm sorry for the confusion. I am registered on this list with mail @luizheli and in Brazil lists with @lcoluiggi. But I swear that either one or the other even ME! ;) Best, Luiz Oliveira
Re: [PROPOSAL] Separation of Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese
Hi, we can keep the current website address and automatically choose Chinese traditional or simplified according to the user's locale, just keep one copy of each page. IMHO，that will be save more time. 2012/5/8 imacat ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw: Dear all, I would like to propose to separate the Traditional Chinese website from the Simplified Chinese website. Currently they are on a same website: zh.openoffice.org. I would suggest to split it into zh-cn.openoffice.org and zh-tw.openoffice.org (or zh-hans.openoffice.org and zh-hant.openoffice.org). Currently there are two copies of each page on a same website, which is already separated realitically. The issues for Traditional Chinese and Simplified Chinese are quite different. The two language may still cooperate, but the separation will make the maintenance easier and more close to the local communities. -- Best regards, imacat ^_*' ima...@mail.imacat.idv.tw PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc Woman's Voice News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/ Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/ Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/ Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/ EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/ -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com
Re: After AOO 3.4?
Understanding who does what with our product is very important to defining a product direction that resonates with our users. The user experience team is about to refresh the UX work products on the wiki. An updated set of user roles/personas is our first step. Existing data can get us started, then we need to incorporate recent behavior shifts, including integrated social and mobile. Albino, Louis, Ricardo, would you like to contribute to these user definitions. Regards, Kevin On May 8, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi On Monday, 7 May 2012, RGB ES wrote: 2012/5/8 Louis Suárez-Potts lui...@gmail.com javascript:;: Hi, RGB ES wrote: 2012/5/5 Albino Biasutti Neto biasut...@gmail.com javascript:;: Hi. We have to focus on end users, and seek feedback to research, created polls, and others. We need to get statistics AOO. Best, Albino Before that, we need to define who our end users are. We need a set of ideal users with clear needs: students who do their homework, independent writers that use on-line publishing systems, small companies that need to create an invoice or maintain a database of supplies... I'm curious... are you dismissing the vast numbers who were using OOo? Briefly, more than 95 percent of downloads from the mirrors were Windows users. But major deployments were almost entirely in the public sector. Some of the more obvious were listed here [0], but the page is out of date. All those groups have different needs, and the right answer for one group could be a problem for the others. I think that, as was suggested, an effective modus operandi is to work with the NL groups. For instance, there might be public sector or private needs for accessibility features. We here may not have the people to do that but we (an extended we at this point) can work with those wanting it to find the developers louis [0] http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Major_OpenOffice.org_Deployments Regards Ricardo Sorry, but I cannot understand your question. I'm not dismissing anything. I just commented that a home user is not the same than a professional writer, and that both groups have different needs that ask for different solutions. Building usage statistics without considering the differences between users can lead to wrong conclusions: that's all. Maybe is for my professional background, but as physicists I know that before doing research (and analysing user statistics is research) you need a model of what you are looking for: on this case, a set of ideal users with a lists of needs and problems. Only then you will be able to find solutions. Regards Ricardo Well, as a historian I quite agree with you. My point was that we already have a lot of data, as that URL hints. Louis -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
Re: Propose testlink
Rob, For #1, I would like to contribute my effort on doing installation/setup/maintenance work once asf accept use this tool. TestLink demo site will only give user a guest role, which has limited privilege, so we cannot get fully understand what TestLink's ability. Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On May 6, 2012, at 12:26 AM, Rob Weir wrote: In Sat, May 5, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Ji Yan yanji...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any public storage to store the VM image(File size is about 6 GB). Does anyone know whether there is public storage I can upload my file? I don't. And even if I did, I don't think that would help most testers decide if they like testlink. These are two different skill sets, right: 1) Ability to install, maintain, administer test link 2) Ability to use testlink as part of a QA effort We need volunteers to develop both skill sets if we will be successful with testlink. For #1, read Raphael's post for the requirements of a VM for Infrastructure. For #2, maybe we can start by looking at the testlink demo server: http://testlink.sourceforge.net/demo/login.php The demo server is slow, but it is good for getting an idea of the functionality. -Rob 2012/5/4 Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org Hi Ji Yan You can upload the VM samewhere? so asfinfra people can have a look on it. But you have to install the same at the ASF Infrastructure again, because infra setup only clean VM's. Join the IRC-Channel #asfinfra and subscribe the mailinglist infrastruct...@apache.org Greetings Raphael Am 04.05.12 17:09, schrieb Ji Yan: Raphael, thanks for your info. I already setup a TestLink demo in Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit VM, and want to show this to our community. How to follow up? Shall I ask ASF infra to upload my VM? 2012/5/4 Raphael Bircher rbirc...@apache.org Hi at all The best way is to make a testinstall fom Testlink on a VM, so you can show infra, that the tool works fine under the ASF condition. ASF infra normaly setup a Ubuntu VM for things like this. We have to do the following: - Find same People who are willing to maintain this tool. - Test on a VM if the Tool works fine under the ASF condition. - Ask Infra for a box - Bring the box alive Requestment bei ASF Infra. - There most be people who are willing to maintain this tool. Keep in mind we have allready two secial Services for AOO at ASF. - The server has to run on a Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with latest update. - Sameone has to write a server Documentation. - The Admins has to be PPMC of Apache OpenOffice as far as I know. - The Software has to be maintained So feel free to start with this steps. Greetings Raphael Am 04.05.12 07:09, schrieb Yan Ji: TestLink[0] is an test management tool which is based on an open source project licensed under GNU GPL. To adopt this tool, we need to find a home for it, a host web server, PHP, back-end database, bug tracking system(we can use current bugzilla) http://testlink.sourceforge.net/docs/testLink.php Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji On May 4, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: Please provide some information about TestLink. What are the requirements? Is it an open source tool? What is the license? Is there a website with information? Regards, Dave On May 3, 2012, at 7:51 PM, YangTerry wrote: +1 This tool can help us manager the testcase easily, also in check the result. Thanks, Wei Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 10:12:51 +0800 Subject: Re: Propose testlink From: phoenix.wan...@gmail.com To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org +1 support to use Testlink to manage test cases and test tasks 2012/5/4 Zhe Liu aliu...@gmail.com +1 Since more and more professional QAs joined our project, I think test case management system is a better choice than WIKI. If general users feel it's too complex, we can customized it later. 2012/5/3 Yan Ji yanji...@gmail.com: Hi all, As I recommend before, Testlink is an open source tool which used for test management, such as test project management, test specification management, test plan management, etc… If we adopt this tool in Aoo project, I'm sure we will gain lots of benefit. I built a virtual machine which host a TestLink demo. Is there any place I can put it to so everybody can practice. The file(.vdi) size is about 6.17 GB. Who can help? Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji -- Best Regards From aliu...@gmail.com -- Thanks Best Regards, Yan Ji
Re: key board setting modifications for blind.
Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: Hi Louis, On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 06:21:40PM -0400, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote: Hi Ravish, He is not subscribed to the list ;) Ah. Louis Regards
Re: [WWW] OOO-Site Publishing Blackout
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote: We'll need an ooo-site publishing blackout until the release is announced. When is the release expected to happen?. FC
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
On 5/7/2012 20:02, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: If your changes show properly in the Preview mode, then they will be correctly saved when you Save. Sometimes the ATS delivers stale pages, so you might see the original page, unchanged, after the Save. The workaround is described in Moving Day: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day Taking a break also works; the stale pages expire and go away. Sorry for the problem, but it's quite beyond my poor powers to fix. Thanks Time permitting, I will make some more changes as needed. The important thing, however, is that it is already understandable :-) I owe you one, for the help your (on-line) book provided, when I was writing the temporary GUI for the new encoding feature: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier/Encryption I might never have found the Config Provider without the magic word in your example: com.sun.star.comp. It seems that comp. is not listed as a module under c.s.s., nor have I seen it mentioned in the Dev Guide. But it works. -- /tj/
Re: After AOO 3.4?
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:02 PM, RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com wrote: ideal users with clear needs: students who do their homework, independent writers that use on-line publishing systems If, going forward, AOO team could design an extensible system to interface AOO writer with different CMS systems -ie xml document defining the target CMS url and document upload form-, I'd be a dream for me. For instance to upload a new document to several e-pubs my approach is to compose rich text (HTML without head and body), and then copy-paste to a web form. It' d be great to have a pluggable, extensive framework allowing for AOO Writer to interface with such web based CMS systems... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell
Help updating Apache Commons
Hello; I have a patch to update Apache Commons to the latest versions that don't break the API. I also included a patch for some openjdk issue in httpclient. Unfortunately the build system is playing some tricks on me and it breaks like this: _ ... Buildfile: /usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/apache-commons/unxfbsdx.pro/misc/build/commons-httpclient-3.1/build.xml ... BUILD SUCCESSFUL Total time: 20 seconds touch ../../unxfbsdx.pro/misc/build/so_installed_commons-lang cp -f ../../unxfbsdx.pro/misc/build/commons-lang-2.6-src/dist/commons-lang-2.6.jar ../../unxfbsdx.pro/class touch ../../unxfbsdx.pro/misc/build/so_predeliver_commons-lang cp: ../../unxfbsdx.pro/misc/build/commons-lang-2.6-src/dist/commons-lang-2.6.jar: No such file or directory dmake: Error code 1, while making '../../unxfbsdx.pro/misc/build/so_predeliver_commons-lang' _ I am rather tired of looking for the problem so I uploaded the patch http://people.apache.org/~pfg/patches/patch-apachecommons-update and the ext_source tarballs: http://people.apache.org/~pfg/patches/2e482c7567908d334785ce7d69ddfff7-commons-codec-1.6-src.tar.gz http://people.apache.org/~pfg/patches/9ed97fce60a9a65852402248a6659492-hunspell-1.3.1.tar.gz JIC anyone wants to take give me hand and take a look :). thanks in advance, Pedro.
Re: Build error on Mac for ucb/source/ucp/webdav...
Does it mean that --disable-odk is not workable on Mac platform? 2012/5/8 Yong Lin Ma mayo...@gmail.com This is related with --disable-odk. The build is completed, once I removed it and pull the latest source code. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Yong Lin Ma mayo...@gmail.com wrote: I am using Mac OS X 10.6... The build almost end, then I got error below Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/DateTimeHelper.cxx Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/UCBDeadPropertyValue.cxx Making:ucpdav.lib Making:_ucpdav.lib cp ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map.exported-symbols ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map Making:libucpdav1.dylib /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solenv/bin/checkdll.sh -L../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib -L/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib Checking DLL ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib ...: ERROR: dlopen(../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib, 2): Library not loaded: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/ unxmacxi.pro/lib/libexpat.0.dylib Referenced from: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib Reason: image not found dmake: Error code 1, while making '../../../ unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' dmake: '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' removed. ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/ucb/source/ucp/webdav Configure command I used ./configure --disable-mozilla --disable-qadevooo --enable-category-b --with-dmake-url= http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2; --with-epm-url= http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz --without-junit--enable-minimizer --enable-presenter-console --enable-wiki-publisher Thank you. -- Best regards, Chao Huang
Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API
On Tuesday, 8. May 2012 at 04:08, TJ Frazier wrote: On 5/7/2012 20:02, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: If your changes show properly in the Preview mode, then they will be correctly saved when you Save. Sometimes the ATS delivers stale pages, so you might see the original page, unchanged, after the Save. The workaround is described in Moving Day: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Moving_Day Taking a break also works; the stale pages expire and go away. Sorry for the problem, but it's quite beyond my poor powers to fix. Thanks Time permitting, I will make some more changes as needed. The important thing, however, is that it is already understandable :-) I owe you one, for the help your (on-line) book provided, when I was writing the temporary GUI for the new encoding feature: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:TJFrazier/Encryption I might never have found the Config Provider without the magic word in your example: com.sun.star.comp. It seems that comp. is not listed as a module under c.s.s., nor have I seen it mentioned in the Dev Guide. But it works. ...comp.. is typically used for the implementation name of an implementation object implementing a service. It is possible to have multiple implementation for one and the same service. For many services we have only one impl but for others (e.g. typical service provider interfaces like a smart tag extension) we have or can have more. The implementation used the last registered impl for a service when it founds more than one. But it is possible to use the impl name as well to instantiate exactly the implementation you want. Well that is an internal detail only and is used sometimes. But it could theoretically be changed at any time. Ok enough for now, when you interested to learn more about the details feel free to ask. Juergen -- /tj/
Re: Build error on Mac for ucb/source/ucp/webdav...
On Tuesday, 8. May 2012 at 01:15, Yong Lin Ma wrote: This is related with --disable-odk. The build is completed, once I removed it and pull the latest source code. mmh there is no relation between this configure switch and the ucb. I assume fetching the latest sources solve the problem here. Juergen On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Yong Lin Ma mayo...@gmail.com wrote: I am using Mac OS X 10.6... The build almost end, then I got error below Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/DateTimeHelper.cxx Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/UCBDeadPropertyValue.cxx Making:ucpdav.lib Making:_ucpdav.lib cp ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map.exported-symbols ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map Making:libucpdav1.dylib /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solenv/bin/checkdll.sh -L../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib -L/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib Checking DLL ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib ...: ERROR: dlopen(../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib, 2): Library not loaded: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libexpat.0.dylib Referenced from: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib Reason: image not found dmake: Error code 1, while making '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' dmake: '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' removed. ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/ucb/source/ucp/webdav Configure command I used ./configure --disable-mozilla --disable-qadevooo --enable-category-b --with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2; --with-epm-url=http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz; --without-junit--enable-minimizer --enable-presenter-console --enable-wiki-publisher Thank you.
Re: Build error on Mac for ucb/source/ucp/webdav...
On Tuesday, 8. May 2012 at 05:22, Chao Huang wrote: Does it mean that --disable-odk is not workable on Mac platform? No Juergen 2012/5/8 Yong Lin Ma mayo...@gmail.com This is related with --disable-odk. The build is completed, once I removed it and pull the latest source code. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Yong Lin Ma mayo...@gmail.com wrote: I am using Mac OS X 10.6... The build almost end, then I got error below Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/DateTimeHelper.cxx Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/UCBDeadPropertyValue.cxx Making: ucpdav.lib Making: _ucpdav.lib cp ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map.exported-symbols ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map Making: libucpdav1.dylib /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solenv/bin/checkdll.sh -L../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib -L/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib Checking DLL ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib ...: ERROR: dlopen(../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib, 2): Library not loaded: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/ unxmacxi.pro/lib/libexpat.0.dylib Referenced from: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib Reason: image not found dmake: Error code 1, while making '../../../ unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' dmake: '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' removed. ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/ucb/source/ucp/webdav Configure command I used ./configure --disable-mozilla --disable-qadevooo --enable-category-b --with-dmake-url= http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2; --with-epm-url= http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz --without-junit--enable-minimizer --enable-presenter-console --enable-wiki-publisher Thank you. -- Best regards, Chao Huang
Re: [WWW] OOO-Site Publishing Blackout
Hello ... --- Lun 7/5/12, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com ha scritto: We'll need an ooo-site publishing blackout until the release is announced. When is the release expected to happen?. Shortly after the blackout ;). Pedro.
Re: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week
Hi Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage I'll update Japanese NL page. thanks Nakata Maho From: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org Subject: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:41:29 -0400 The following tasks are on the wiki and need owners: Manually update the downloads from the Arabic NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Czech NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the German NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Spanish NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the French NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Hungarian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Galacian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Italian NL homepage and subpages (pescetti) Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Dutch NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Brazilian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Russian NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Simplified Chinese NL homepage Manually update the downloads from the Traditional Chinese NL homepage https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Distribution+Tasks Only one of them has an owner (Thanks, Andrea!) What needs to be done? We need someone to review these NL pages and identify what needs to be changed to support the AOO 3..4 release. Changes to consider: 1) Branding changes (OpenOffice.org - Apache OpenOffice) 2) Updates to download location, for the 3.4 releases instead of the 3.3 release 3) References to the old LGPL license need to be changed to Apache 2.0 License 4) References to old NLC email addresses, marketing leads, etc., need to be replaced by the new Apache email lists. 5) Other similar changes. You don't need to do a complete rewrite of the pages. But we should refresh the page with information on the AOO 3.4 release. Timeline looks like this: -- Wednesday May 2nd -- Vote ends on approving the 3.4 release -- Thursday-Friday -- Update the mirrors with the release, test the new download websites. -- Over the weekend, additional website updates and testing -- Monday or Tuesday, if everything is working well, then we make public announcement So ideally we would have the NL website updates done at the end of this week. However, we should not make them be live on the production server until after the mirrors are populated. Maybe easiest way to coordinate is to submit patches for the changes into BZ? Any other ideas? Any volunteers? -Rob
