Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
 Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file doing
 something as simple as
 consultant
 companyYour company/company
 addressfoo street at disneyland/address
 websitehttp://www.yourcompany.com/website
 /consultant


 There is an entire file of real examples linked to from that page:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants/consultants.xml

 My point exactly. I would rather see this shown as HTML/ASCII, the XML
 dump is not bad but usually end up in  hard to read spew of data that
 non-technical users can't understand what happened.


 Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
 regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
 think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.

 I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew it
 on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.


 Patches are welcome.

 Here is an XForm sample:
 xforms
 model
 instance
   person
 fname/
 lname/
   /person
 /instance
 submission id=form1
 action=submit.asp
 method=get/
 /model
 input ref=fnamelabelFirst Name/label/input
 input ref=lnamelabelLast Name/label/input
 submit submission=form1labelSubmit/label/submit
 /xforms


 The form is the easy part.  The hard part is getting it integrated in
 a way that works with our current server environment.  As you've
 probably noticed we don't have mail-in forms anywhere on our website.
 Perhaps there are some security issues here?  Infra would know.  But
 there would be some work to either enable the server-side processing
 of this, or of generating the XML with instructions for the user to
 copy/paste it into an email to ooo-dev.

 Personally I don't think the expected volume of submissions justifies
 the time required to put further automation into play.  (My personal
 opinion).  As the instructions say, the submittor can just send
 equivalent information to the list and we can do the XML formatting
 for them.

 Ok the original proposal was that it will dump the data in a texbox
 (Javascript can do this as opposed to the submit.asp). Just to
 pre-format his entry, user  can then paste it on an email.

 And if no automation is necessary then I think it should be the first
 thing said, like this:

 Please submit the information to our ooo-dev mailing list:

 - Company name
 - Country code [1]
 - Address
 - URL
 -Specialities: [2]

 1 - see our ISO compliant country listing
 2 - see our list of specialties

 The rest of the information like XML, XSD, etc, should be put as
 complementary information.


 This is a good idea.  I'll try to simplify the instructions.


Here is the updated version:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

I split out the XML instructions from the main part, and added an
example of a non-XML submission.

-Rob


 -Rob



 -Rob


 Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as a
 freeform XML.


 In the current form it is restricted to enumerated values.  This list

 Oh there is a form, I most have missed that.

 can expand on request, but I'd like to not have it be freeform so it
 can be used as a categorization field.  The description field is the
 freeform field, where they can put anything relevant.

 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in
 the
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to
 the
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal
 help,
 but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to
 create an XML file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog,
 which
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 

Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-15 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello,

 Here is the updated version:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html
 
 I split out the XML instructions from the main part, and added an
 example of a non-XML submission.

yes, that's much better - small change, big impact ;-)

But one more request

a consultant asked me why in:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

at practice the entry training is not appears, but in:
  http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

(see second row in table)

I think there is a discrepancy.



Greetings,
Jörg




Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-15 Thread Rob Weir
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
 Hello,

 Here is the updated version:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 I split out the XML instructions from the main part, and added an
 example of a non-XML submission.

 yes, that's much better - small change, big impact ;-)

 But one more request

 a consultant asked me why in:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 at practice the entry training is not appears, but in:
   http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 (see second row in table)

 I think there is a discrepancy.


Yes.  It is an error.  Training is permitted.  I'll add it to the
instructions.

-Rob



 Greetings,
 Jörg




Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello,

I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in the 
directory:
http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

And I got the first reply:


 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to the file 
 consultants.xml
 

nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?


No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal help, but I 
think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to create an XML 
file.

What can we do?

For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog, which 
simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

Hints?



Greetings,
Jörg



Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in the 
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to the 
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal help, but I 
 think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to create an XML 
 file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog, which 
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


This is covered in the instructions here:

If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
submitted in the proper form.

Reference:  http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
better to wait.

-Rob




 Greetings,
 Jörg



Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file doing
something as simple as
consultant
companyYour company/company
addressfoo street at disneyland/address
websitehttp://www.yourcompany.com/website
/consultant

Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.

I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew it
on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.

Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as a freeform XML.

On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in the
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to the
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal help,
 but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to
 create an XML file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog, which
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:  http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

 -Rob




 Greetings,
 Jörg




-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org


Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file doing
 something as simple as
 consultant
 companyYour company/company
 addressfoo street at disneyland/address
 websitehttp://www.yourcompany.com/website
 /consultant


There is an entire file of real examples linked to from that page:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants/consultants.xml

 Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
 regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
 think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.

 I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew it
 on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.


Patches are welcome.

 Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as a freeform 
 XML.


In the current form it is restricted to enumerated values.  This list
can expand on request, but I'd like to not have it be freeform so it
can be used as a categorization field.  The description field is the
freeform field, where they can put anything relevant.

 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in the
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to the
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal help,
 but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to
 create an XML file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog, which
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:  http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

 -Rob




 Greetings,
 Jörg




 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org


Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file doing
 something as simple as
 consultant
 companyYour company/company
 addressfoo street at disneyland/address
 websitehttp://www.yourcompany.com/website
 /consultant


 There is an entire file of real examples linked to from that page:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants/consultants.xml

My point exactly. I would rather see this shown as HTML/ASCII, the XML
dump is not bad but usually end up in  hard to read spew of data that
non-technical users can't understand what happened.


 Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
 regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
 think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.

 I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew it
 on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.


 Patches are welcome.

Here is an XForm sample:
xforms
model
instance
  person
fname/
lname/
  /person
/instance
submission id=form1
action=submit.asp
method=get/
/model
input ref=fnamelabelFirst Name/label/input
input ref=lnamelabelLast Name/label/input
submit submission=form1labelSubmit/label/submit
/xforms


 Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as a
 freeform XML.


 In the current form it is restricted to enumerated values.  This list

Oh there is a form, I most have missed that.

 can expand on request, but I'd like to not have it be freeform so it
 can be used as a categorization field.  The description field is the
 freeform field, where they can put anything relevant.

 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in
 the
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to
 the
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal help,
 but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to
 create an XML file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog, which
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:  http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

 -Rob




 Greetings,
 Jörg




 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org



-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org


Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
Hello,

 This is covered in the instructions here:
 
 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.
 
 Reference:  
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

Yes, but ...

i think this reference is perhaps not the totally appropriate assistance. 
Please consider two things:

- not all speak english well and want to post on mailing-lists

- in our invitation we actually ask others to help us (yes, I think offer 
services for AOO is help for us) - not vice versa.

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

OK.

Greetings,
Jörg



Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file doing
 something as simple as
 consultant
 companyYour company/company
 addressfoo street at disneyland/address
 websitehttp://www.yourcompany.com/website
 /consultant


 There is an entire file of real examples linked to from that page:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants/consultants.xml

 My point exactly. I would rather see this shown as HTML/ASCII, the XML
 dump is not bad but usually end up in  hard to read spew of data that
 non-technical users can't understand what happened.


 Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
 regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
 think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.

 I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew it
 on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.


 Patches are welcome.

 Here is an XForm sample:
 xforms
 model
 instance
   person
 fname/
 lname/
   /person
 /instance
 submission id=form1
 action=submit.asp
 method=get/
 /model
 input ref=fnamelabelFirst Name/label/input
 input ref=lnamelabelLast Name/label/input
 submit submission=form1labelSubmit/label/submit
 /xforms


The form is the easy part.  The hard part is getting it integrated in
a way that works with our current server environment.  As you've
probably noticed we don't have mail-in forms anywhere on our website.
Perhaps there are some security issues here?  Infra would know.  But
there would be some work to either enable the server-side processing
of this, or of generating the XML with instructions for the user to
copy/paste it into an email to ooo-dev.

Personally I don't think the expected volume of submissions justifies
the time required to put further automation into play.  (My personal
opinion).  As the instructions say, the submittor can just send
equivalent information to the list and we can do the XML formatting
for them.

-Rob


 Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as a
 freeform XML.


 In the current form it is restricted to enumerated values.  This list

 Oh there is a form, I most have missed that.

 can expand on request, but I'd like to not have it be freeform so it
 can be used as a categorization field.  The description field is the
 freeform field, where they can put anything relevant.

 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in
 the
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to
 the
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal help,
 but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to
 create an XML file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog, which
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:  http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

 -Rob




 Greetings,
 Jörg




 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org



 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org


Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
 Hello,

 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 Yes, but ...

 i think this reference is perhaps not the totally appropriate assistance. 
 Please consider two things:

 - not all speak english well and want to post on mailing-lists

I understand.  We can add translations of that page if you think it would help.

But the mailing list post is required as part of the process.  A
listing in the consultants directory is not a right.  It is not
guaranteed.  It requires review by the PMC, and the PMC does its work
openly on the ooo-dev list.  The submittor does not need to subscribe
to ooo-dev, but they do need to submit there listing here.  So even if
we find ways to automate this, we would want to ensure that any
automation sends a copy of the submission to ooo-dev.

-Rob

 - in our invitation we actually ask others to help us (yes, I think offer 
 services for AOO is help for us) - not vice versa.

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

 OK.

 Greetings,
 Jörg



Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Alexandro Colorado
On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
 Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file doing
 something as simple as
 consultant
 companyYour company/company
 addressfoo street at disneyland/address
 websitehttp://www.yourcompany.com/website
 /consultant


 There is an entire file of real examples linked to from that page:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants/consultants.xml

 My point exactly. I would rather see this shown as HTML/ASCII, the XML
 dump is not bad but usually end up in  hard to read spew of data that
 non-technical users can't understand what happened.


 Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
 regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
 think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.

 I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew it
 on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.


 Patches are welcome.

 Here is an XForm sample:
 xforms
 model
 instance
   person
 fname/
 lname/
   /person
 /instance
 submission id=form1
 action=submit.asp
 method=get/
 /model
 input ref=fnamelabelFirst Name/label/input
 input ref=lnamelabelLast Name/label/input
 submit submission=form1labelSubmit/label/submit
 /xforms


 The form is the easy part.  The hard part is getting it integrated in
 a way that works with our current server environment.  As you've
 probably noticed we don't have mail-in forms anywhere on our website.
 Perhaps there are some security issues here?  Infra would know.  But
 there would be some work to either enable the server-side processing
 of this, or of generating the XML with instructions for the user to
 copy/paste it into an email to ooo-dev.

 Personally I don't think the expected volume of submissions justifies
 the time required to put further automation into play.  (My personal
 opinion).  As the instructions say, the submittor can just send
 equivalent information to the list and we can do the XML formatting
 for them.

Ok the original proposal was that it will dump the data in a texbox
(Javascript can do this as opposed to the submit.asp). Just to
pre-format his entry, user  can then paste it on an email.

And if no automation is necessary then I think it should be the first
thing said, like this:

Please submit the information to our ooo-dev mailing list:

- Company name
- Country code [1]
- Address
- URL
-Specialities: [2]

1 - see our ISO compliant country listing
2 - see our list of specialties

The rest of the information like XML, XSD, etc, should be put as
complementary information.



 -Rob


 Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as a
 freeform XML.


 In the current form it is restricted to enumerated values.  This list

 Oh there is a form, I most have missed that.

 can expand on request, but I'd like to not have it be freeform so it
 can be used as a categorization field.  The description field is the
 freeform field, where they can put anything relevant.

 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in
 the
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to
 the
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal
 help,
 but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to
 create an XML file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog,
 which
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

 -Rob




 Greetings,
 Jörg




 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org



 --
 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
 http://es.openoffice.org



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Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org wrote:
 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Alexandro Colorado j...@oooes.org
 wrote:
 Please write an example on the page, not just throw the XML file doing
 something as simple as
 consultant
 companyYour company/company
 addressfoo street at disneyland/address
 websitehttp://www.yourcompany.com/website
 /consultant


 There is an entire file of real examples linked to from that page:
 https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/bizdev/consultants/consultants.xml

 My point exactly. I would rather see this shown as HTML/ASCII, the XML
 dump is not bad but usually end up in  hard to read spew of data that
 non-technical users can't understand what happened.


 Would go a long way, the instructions look a bit too technical for
 regular users. Even if we assume this are technical people, we should
 think this is being applied by the marketing intern used to facebook.

 I would even suggest doing an XForm to generate this XML and spew it
 on a texboard with a copy-paste this on your email.


 Patches are welcome.

 Here is an XForm sample:
 xforms
 model
 instance
   person
 fname/
 lname/
   /person
 /instance
 submission id=form1
 action=submit.asp
 method=get/
 /model
 input ref=fnamelabelFirst Name/label/input
 input ref=lnamelabelLast Name/label/input
 submit submission=form1labelSubmit/label/submit
 /xforms


 The form is the easy part.  The hard part is getting it integrated in
 a way that works with our current server environment.  As you've
 probably noticed we don't have mail-in forms anywhere on our website.
 Perhaps there are some security issues here?  Infra would know.  But
 there would be some work to either enable the server-side processing
 of this, or of generating the XML with instructions for the user to
 copy/paste it into an email to ooo-dev.

 Personally I don't think the expected volume of submissions justifies
 the time required to put further automation into play.  (My personal
 opinion).  As the instructions say, the submittor can just send
 equivalent information to the list and we can do the XML formatting
 for them.

 Ok the original proposal was that it will dump the data in a texbox
 (Javascript can do this as opposed to the submit.asp). Just to
 pre-format his entry, user  can then paste it on an email.

 And if no automation is necessary then I think it should be the first
 thing said, like this:

 Please submit the information to our ooo-dev mailing list:

 - Company name
 - Country code [1]
 - Address
 - URL
 -Specialities: [2]

 1 - see our ISO compliant country listing
 2 - see our list of specialties

 The rest of the information like XML, XSD, etc, should be put as
 complementary information.


This is a good idea.  I'll try to simplify the instructions.

-Rob



 -Rob


 Specially consider the speciality would be all over the place as a
 freeform XML.


 In the current form it is restricted to enumerated values.  This list

 Oh there is a form, I most have missed that.

 can expand on request, but I'd like to not have it be freeform so it
 can be used as a categorization field.  The description field is the
 freeform field, where they can put anything relevant.

 On 10/14/12, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote:
 On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de
 wrote:
 Hello,

 I now have sent an invitation to 41 companies relating to an entry in
 the
 directory:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

 And I got the first reply:

 
 Listings must be submitted to the ooo-dev mailing list as patches to
 the
 file consultants.xml
  

 nicht Ihr Ernst, oder?
 

 No problem in this individual case, because I offered my personal
 help,
 but I think it may seem too complicated for some users even having to
 create an XML file.

 What can we do?

 For example, i could write a macro for AOO with an input dialog,
 which
 simplifies the creation of the XML file. But I need a few days time.

 Hints?


 This is covered in the instructions here:

 If you are not familiar with XML, please submit the equivalent
 information in a post to the ooo-dev list and we can help you format
 it for submission. But your listing will appear faster if it is
 submitted in the proper form.

 Reference:
 http://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultant-submission.html

 A form with Javascript to form the XML might be useful sometime, but
 it is possible that the XML schema might change based on feedback we
 receive during this initial phase of submissions.  So it might be
 better to wait.

 -Rob




 Greetings,
 Jörg




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 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
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 Alexandro Colorado
 PPMC Apache OpenOffice
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Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Jörg Schmidt
  i think this reference is perhaps not the totally 
 appropriate assistance. Please consider two things:
 
  - not all speak english well and want to post on mailing-lists
 
 I understand.  We can add translations of that page if you 
 think it would help.
 
 But the mailing list post is required as part of the process.  A
 listing in the consultants directory is not a right.  It is not
 guaranteed.  It requires review by the PMC, and the PMC does its work
 openly on the ooo-dev list.  The submittor does not need to subscribe
 to ooo-dev, but they do need to submit there listing here.  So even if
 we find ways to automate this, we would want to ensure that any
 automation sends a copy of the submission to ooo-dev.

OK, but it is necessary that each user writes itself?

In my invitation, I had noted additionally:

Should you have any questions, you can contact me personally at. I shall help 
you.


In my opinion it should be possible that the people write me and I will send 
their data to the mailinglist. *Not* in *all* cases, but in cases where it is 
necessary. Or is this a problem?


Greetings,
Jörg



Re: Problems sign in consultants directory

2012-10-14 Thread Rob Weir
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Jörg Schmidt joe...@j-m-schmidt.de wrote:
  i think this reference is perhaps not the totally
 appropriate assistance. Please consider two things:
 
  - not all speak english well and want to post on mailing-lists

 I understand.  We can add translations of that page if you
 think it would help.

 But the mailing list post is required as part of the process.  A
 listing in the consultants directory is not a right.  It is not
 guaranteed.  It requires review by the PMC, and the PMC does its work
 openly on the ooo-dev list.  The submittor does not need to subscribe
 to ooo-dev, but they do need to submit there listing here.  So even if
 we find ways to automate this, we would want to ensure that any
 automation sends a copy of the submission to ooo-dev.

 OK, but it is necessary that each user writes itself?

 In my invitation, I had noted additionally:

 Should you have any questions, you can contact me personally at. I shall help 
 you.


 In my opinion it should be possible that the people write me and I will send 
 their data to the mailinglist. *Not* in *all* cases, but in cases where it is 
 necessary. Or is this a problem?


That sounds OK also if you are volunteering to help them.The
important thing is that the listings are put on the ooo-dev list for
review and lazy consensus.

-Rob


 Greetings,
 Jörg