RE: ORACLE 8i DBA

2001-05-30 Thread Deewaker G.V.
Title: RE: ORACLE 8i DBA 





hi


Thanks alot I will Pick that Book today. 


Have a nice day


with warm regards,


deewaker g v


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Hi 
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Good luck


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--- Deewaker G.V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 I am planning to take ORACLE 8i DBA Examination, Can
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 w.r.t 
 
 1) Good Book to Refer 
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RE:

2001-05-30 Thread Senthil Ganapathi


Thanks for your reply about the Reports parameter

Reg
G.SEnthil kumar

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Re: Script and control file

2001-05-30 Thread nlzanen1


Hi,


Within your *.sql script you can jump to the OS and give OS commands.
e.g:   host sqlldr.  (start with host).
I have used it with import and it works.


Jack


   
   
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First of all, I'm a beginner to SQL/SQL Loader.
Currently,I'm working with Oracle 8.
I would like to know if it's possible invoke SQL Loader inside a script.

Example:
- inside the script I want to create a new table TABLE1
- copy some data inside TABLE1 using SQL loader
- work on TABLE1 using SQL language.

Is it possible do this inside a .sql file ?

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Re: Table size

2001-05-30 Thread Connor McDonald

select *
from user_segments

is a good start..

hth
connor

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 table, can I come to know what amount of space it
 consumes?
 
 eg. I want to know what tablespace does the table
 emp (user is scott)  belong to and the space it
 consumes (eg 5M)? Please help.
 
 Thanks and Regards,
 
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How to drop unique index

2001-05-30 Thread CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)

Hi Gurus,

I tried to drop unique index using ALTER TABLE table_name DROP UNIQUE
(column_name); unsuccessfully. How should I drop the unique index ? Please
advise. Thanks.

SQL SELECT * FROM USER_IND_COLUMNS WHERE TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';

INDEX_NAME TABLE_NAME COLUMN_NAME
-- --
--
U_SPYADH_2 SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT  STDNAME


SQL SELECT INDEX_NAME,TABLE_OWNER,TABLE_NAME,UNIQUENESS FROM  USER_INDEXES
WHERE TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';

INDEX_NAME   TABLE_OWNERTABLE_NAME
UNIQUENES
 -- --

U_SPYADH_2   SPYSPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT
UNIQUE

SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME);
ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME)
   *
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-02442: Cannot drop nonexistent unique key

SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2;
ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2
  *
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-02443: Cannot drop constraint  - nonexistent constraint

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Hi 

It will be there under $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin

regards,
Manivannan.M


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On Tue, 29 May 2001, Timajo, Joel - Equicom wrote:

 hello oracle gurus!
 
 i just tried a default installation of oracle 8.0.6 to our
hp-unix machine.
 i followed step by step the procedures as stated in the
oracle installation
 guide. my problem is when it comes to the step (pp 4-2 of
the installation
 guide) that says run the catrep.sql. where can i find this
sql script?
 
 thanks!
 oracle newbie 
 
 

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Re: Is the ability to do field-level encryption free in Enterprise Edition?

2001-05-30 Thread Connor McDonald


From a money perspective - yes

From a resource perspective - no, using the
obfuscation toolkit does add lots of cpu to your
processing (if you're handling lots of rows)

hth
connor

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 We need to be able to do field-level encryption of
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 think that we should be able to
 do so with DBMS_OBFUSCATION.  Is DBMS_OBFUSCATION
 free with 8.1.7.1
 Enterprise Edition?
 
 Are there other standard methods/tools that we can
 use within Oracle to do
 this field-level encryption?
 If yes, are they free or part of an add-on bundle? 
 If add-on, which
 add-on?
 
 I've been trying to research this on Technet but
 having difficulty
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 My boss wants the answer today so I thought I'd
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io size of Unix machine

2001-05-30 Thread TAG DBA

How can I find the logical or physical I/O size on a Sun Solaris machine ?
Thanks,
~aslam
 application/ms-tnef


Testing tools

2001-05-30 Thread Raymond Lee Meng Hong


  Hello  if there any testing tools for QA staff / developer to test on bulk
data which can measure it performance,efficient.of the
program/PLSQL/sqlscript  ???

  The function of the tools is , prepare bulk data , testing , generate
report .  

If no such tools , what might be an advice ? Becoz we intend to setup up a
ISO 9001 standard on testing environment and testing technique. Anyone go
through this before ? or any white paper about this ?




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Number Vs. Varchar2 Datatype

2001-05-30 Thread Arslan Dar
Title: Number Vs. Varchar2 Datatype





Hi list,


We are in the design phase of our new database and eventually there a number of feilds which are actually numeric say DEPARTMENT NUMBER or EMPLOYEE CODE (they dont contain any alphabat or special character) , 

The main decision to be made right now is to choose the right datatype, Options ofcourse are VARCHAR2 or NUMBER, i know its better to have varchar2 cuz its a bit flexible, but i want some expert opinion,

can u tell me any pros and cons of having NUMBER or Varchar2 datatype on a feild which is numeric, which may be PRIMARY KEY and also which is NOT always used in Calculations,

which datatype is more efficient


Its Oracle 8.1.7 on NT4,


TIA,


Arslan 





Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread azhar


HI ALL,
We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 bytes.
We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .
We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents enough
for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.

The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs RAM
.
SGA figures in M :
NAME VALUE
 -
Fixed Size.0676384
Variable Size239.02734
Database Buffers   39.0625
Redo Buffers 7.8203125
 -
sum  285.97779
( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
Any ideas.
TIA
Azhar Siddiq,
DBA
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Re: Number Vs. Varchar2 Datatype

2001-05-30 Thread Saurabh Sharma
Title: Number Vs. Varchar2 Datatype



this always a better decision to 
decide the datatypes of such columns keeping in mind the future 
requirements.
u may come to a certain point where 
u think, number datatype to be better and somewhere to varchar2.

u said number datatype which is not 
always used for calculation. 
actually a number datatype takes 
less space on disk(actual storage space) as u define it. and as compared to 
varchar2 if difference is of concern.

it's a matter of requirement of 
application. 



  - Original Message - 
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  Arslan 
  Dar 
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  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:35 
  PM
  Subject: Number Vs. Varchar2 
  Datatype
  
  Hi list, 
  We are in the design phase of our new database and 
  eventually there a number of feilds which are actually numeric say DEPARTMENT 
  NUMBER or EMPLOYEE CODE (they dont contain any alphabat or special character) 
  , 
  The main decision to be made right now is to choose 
  the right datatype, Options ofcourse are VARCHAR2 or NUMBER, i know its better 
  to have varchar2 cuz its a bit flexible, but i want some expert 
  opinion,
  can u tell me any pros and cons of having NUMBER or 
  Varchar2 datatype on a feild which is numeric, which may be PRIMARY KEY and 
  also which is NOT always used in Calculations,
  which datatype is more efficient 
  Its Oracle 8.1.7 on NT4, 
  TIA, 
  Arslan 


Re: How to drop unique index

2001-05-30 Thread lyudah

Suggestion given by Magesh should work for a non-constraint index.  If it is
index created by Oracle during the time when you created your unique
constraint you won't be able to get rid of that index until you eliminate
your constraint.

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 Try out this

 Drop index U_SPYADH_2  ;

 Regards
 Magesh

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 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 5:50 PM


  Hi Gurus,
 
  I tried to drop unique index using ALTER TABLE table_name DROP UNIQUE
  (column_name); unsuccessfully. How should I drop the unique index ?
 Please
  advise. Thanks.
 
  SQL SELECT * FROM USER_IND_COLUMNS WHERE
TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';
 
  INDEX_NAME TABLE_NAME
COLUMN_NAME
  -- --
  --
  U_SPYADH_2 SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT  STDNAME
 
 
  SQL SELECT INDEX_NAME,TABLE_OWNER,TABLE_NAME,UNIQUENESS FROM
 USER_INDEXES
  WHERE TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';
 
  INDEX_NAME   TABLE_OWNERTABLE_NAME
  UNIQUENES

  -- --
  
  U_SPYADH_2   SPY
SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT
  UNIQUE
 
  SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME);
  ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME)
 *
  ERROR at line 1:
  ORA-02442: Cannot drop nonexistent unique key
 
  SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2;
  ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2
*
  ERROR at line 1:
  ORA-02443: Cannot drop constraint  - nonexistent constraint
 
  Regds,
  New Bee
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  From: Manivannan.M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 2:20 PM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
  Subject: RE: catrep.sql
 
  Hi
 
  It will be there under $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin
 
  regards,
  Manivannan.M
 

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  On Tue, 29 May 2001, Timajo, Joel - Equicom wrote:
 
   hello oracle gurus!
  
   i just tried a default installation of oracle 8.0.6 to our
  hp-unix machine.
   i followed step by step the procedures as stated in the
  oracle installation
   guide. my problem is when it comes to the step (pp 4-2 of
  the installation
   guide) that says run the catrep.sql. where can i find this
  sql script?
  
   thanks!
   oracle newbie
  
  
 
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RE:

2001-05-30 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to
live.

: )

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


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when?
But, more important, WHY???

-Don Granaman
[certifiable OraSaurus]

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 And Where.

 Terry

 Boivin, Patrice J wrote:

  When and how
 
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
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  what
 
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Re: How to drop unique index

2001-05-30 Thread antonio . belloni


Hi,

Did you try :

SQL drop index index_name ;

??

HIH,
Antonio Belloni




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Hi Gurus,

I tried to drop unique index using ALTER TABLE table_name DROP UNIQUE
(column_name); unsuccessfully. How should I drop the unique index ? Please
advise. Thanks.

SQL SELECT * FROM USER_IND_COLUMNS WHERE TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';

INDEX_NAME TABLE_NAME COLUMN_NAME
-- --
--
U_SPYADH_2 SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT  STDNAME


SQL SELECT INDEX_NAME,TABLE_OWNER,TABLE_NAME,UNIQUENESS FROM  USER_INDEXES
WHERE TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';

INDEX_NAME   TABLE_OWNERTABLE_NAME
UNIQUENES
 -- --

U_SPYADH_2   SPYSPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT
UNIQUE

SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME);
ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME)
   *
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-02442: Cannot drop nonexistent unique key

SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2;
ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2
  *
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-02443: Cannot drop constraint  - nonexistent constraint

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  It will be there under $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin

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Script examples for NT. (yuk!)

2001-05-30 Thread Loughmiller, Greg

Quick question..

ALL of my experience has been on UNIX platforms... Recently, I have been
asked to work on an Oracle DB that runs on NT.. My scripting capability in
the NT world is weak at best.  So I am trying to compare ksh type
activities with the NT world. SO I was wondering if any of you would mind
sharing a couple of NT type scripts with me.. For example-setting variables
to the return of a SQL statement to be used in the shell,etc...

Any help would be appreciated..

TIA

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RE: Error while executing stored procedure as system user

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

When you use privileges in stored procedures, you need to have the privilege
explicitly.  In other words, you cannot get the privilege from a role.

If you do a grant create user to MyRole.
Grant myRole to myUser.

Then try to create user as myUser it will work, but if you try to create
user from a procedure as myUser it will fail.


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Dear DBA Gurus,

I am able to execute the below code as an anonymous Pl/Sql block but when I
incorporate it in a stored procedure the procedure gets created but I am
getting the below errors while executing the procedure as system user:

Anonymous Pl/Sql block

Declare
name varchar2(4):='test';
BEGIN
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create user ' ||name||' '||'identified by '||name||'
'||
   'default tablespace users temporary tablespace temp';
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'grant connect, resource to ' ||name;
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create table '||name||'.aaa(a number)';
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create table '||name||'.bbb(b number)';
END;

Stored Procedure

create or replace procedure create_user (name IN VARCHAR2)
IS
BEGIN
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create user ' ||name||' '||'identified by '||name||'
'||
   'default tablespace users temporary tablespace temp';
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'grant connect, resource to ' ||name;
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create table '||name||'.aaa(a number)';
   EXECUTE IMMEDIATE 'create table '||name||'.bbb(b number)';
END;
/

Procedure Created.

Errors while executing the procedure

exec create_user('test');

ERROR at line 1:
ORA-01031: insufficient privileges
ORA-06512: at SYSTEM.CREATE_USER, line 4
ORA-06512: at line 1

What might be the reason for the errors?  Can anyone help me?

TIA and Regards,

Ranganath


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RE: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

I have built Novell boxes that have 2100+ days of uptime :)

Now that is stability that I have yet to see even unix have.
Granted it is only Novell 3.12.


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Jared,

I have an NT 4 server up for 242 days.

Someone where I work suggested it should be sent to Microsoft for an
examination (must be something wrong with it).

Regards,
Bruce

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On Friday 25 May 2001 18:26, Weaver, Walt wrote:
 Ditto. I support Jared's backspace claims 100%, and I don't think he
should
 be removed from the list.

I sure appreciate that Walt!

 I've heard there are other operating systems out there besides Linux and
 Solaris. Is this true?

A nasty rumor.  There's an upstart startup in WA that claims to have
something akin to an OS, but it keeps failing the 30 day stability test.

Jared


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RE: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Vadim Gorbounov



Yes, 
table is exclusively locked when ANALYZE ... VALIDATE. Until 9i, I 
believe.
Vadim 
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  Just a quicky 
  !!
  
  Anyone know if 
  there are any locking issues while analyzing statistics for objects 
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  TIA
  
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RE: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

There isn't any known bug under NT.  But there are many memory leaks and
poor drivers, that tend to lead to early rebooting.  In my experience.

I think the worst problem with NT is not the os but the drivers, even though
Even though I hate NT, for the money, it works well.  But if you try to get
i to do too much, then you are asking for trouble.


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Yeah, funny isn't it?

I had my Sparc Station 5 up for just a few days short of a year once.

During that time I added/delete/built many different pieces of open 
source software and ran 2 oracle databases.

It crashed due to a Solaris bug that hits sometime after 248 days of
uptime.  Who knows, maybe there's a bug like that on NT, but how
will anyone ever find out?

Jared


On Sunday 27 May 2001 19:30, Peter McLarty wrote:
 Apparently this quirky behaviour comes from running one and one only
 application on a system. I have heard rumours of this occurring on other
 sites when the use a server for a single task. So any rumours you have
 heard about its capability as a multitasking OS and being able to pass the
 30 day test now they would be interesting. Hell one of our Domain
 controller can't handle being a print server 


 Peter

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 Jared,

 I have an NT 4 server up for 242 days.

 Someone where I work suggested it should be sent to Microsoft for an
 examination (must be something wrong with it).

 Regards,
 Bruce

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 should

  be removed from the list.

 I sure appreciate that Walt!

  I've heard there are other operating systems out there besides Linux and
  Solaris. Is this true?

 A nasty rumor.  There's an upstart startup in WA that claims to have
 something akin to an OS, but it keeps failing the 30 day stability test.

 Jared


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RE: Problem with many (160 - 170) sessions in the database on

2001-05-30 Thread Streeter, Lerone A LBX

just my input.

where are the load metrics documented, meaning where does it say 5M or more
per session?  i want to know for future reference.

we're putting in a solution, oracle 8i on windows 2000/windows 2000 advanced
server ~4-to-8G of RAM so there are options if you need additional RAM in
excess of 4G.  no true *nix expertise here and it's our fledgling
implementation but based on specs we should be covered.

say it's 10M a session, 500 users is about 5G with plenty left over for O/S,
SGA, etc...



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I agree with Goulet.
In contrast to ur rather powerful machine my NT server handles abuot 200
connections on a single database with just 1 CPU and 512 MB RAM. Ofcourse
preformance is pathetic - but what can one do with Windows anyways ??
I asked management to junk the machine and in a months time we will migrate
to a brand new Sun Solaris Server !!
The only way we survive with the NT machine is boot it once a week !!
Regards

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Jonas,

Solution, dump Windows and get onto Linux or buy a real Unix machine.
Your
asking a toy to do a man/woman's job.

Dick Goulet

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Author: Jonas A Wetterberg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   5/29/2001 8:50 AM

Hello

We are running into a little problem with an Oracle installation. The server
OS is Windows NT, SP6, and the version of Oracle is 7.3.4.5.0. The server
have 4 processes, we have about 1,7 G primary memory and about 2 G of memory
on swap disk. We have 4 processes in the machine. One of these is reserved
for the OS, and Oracle uses the other 3.

We we reach around 170 sessions in the database, the database sometimes goes
down and we have to perform a restart. The 3 process Oracle use are all at
about 100% in task manager. The memory use is somewhere around 1,3 G. Then
we can run the database for aboout 4 more hours, then we have to restart.
Sometimes we have to restart around lunch everyday.

Now I have heard the Windows NT have a limit of how much memory one process
might use, and that limit is somewhere around 1,7 G, and that that might be
our problem. 

We are planing to upgrade to Oracle 8.1.7 and to Windows NT 4 Enterprise
Edition or to Windows 2000 Advanced Server. Does anyone know if this can
help? Should we put more memory or more processes in the machine?

Any help is appreacheated

Regards

/Jonas
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RE: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Shevtsov, Eduard

Hi Lee,
 
Compute option locks a table, but 'estimate' doesn't
 
Regards,
Ed

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All,
 
Just a quicky !!
 
Anyone know if there are any locking issues while analyzing statistics for
objects ??
 
TIA
 
Lee



 


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RE: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe

Ok, now I'm confused

One reply
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It depends. For instance, 'analyze index validate structure' takes out
'shared' lock on the table (preventing inserts/deletes/updates), while
'analyze index compute/estimate statistics' does not.

Another
---
Compute option locks a table, but 'estimate' doesn't

Anyone have a definitive answer.

PS. Thanks to the guys who have replied up to now.

Lee



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Re: How to drop unique index

2001-05-30 Thread G . Plivna


If it is an unique index that enforces unique constraint you cannot simply
drop it
You have to drop unique constraint
alter table tablename drop constraint constraintname;


an example follows

SQL desc qaqa1
 NameNull?Type
 ---  
 COL1 NUMBER(5)
 COL2 VARCHAR2(4000)

SQL select * from user_constraints where table_name = 'QAQA1';

no rows selected

SQL select * from user_indexes where table_name = 'QAQA1';

no rows selected

SQL alter table qaqa1 add constraint zzz unique (col1);

Table altered.

SQL select * from user_constraints where table_name = 'QAQA1';

OWNER  CONSTRAINT_NAMEC TABLE_NAME
-- -- -
---
MANTAOWNER ZZZU QAQA1

SQL select * from user_indexes where table_name = 'QAQA1';

INDEX_NAME INDEX_TYPE  TABLE_OWNER
-- ---

ZZZNORMAL  MANTAOWNER

SQL drop index zzz;
drop index zzz
   *
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-02429: cannot drop index used for enforcement of unique/primary key


SQL alter table qaqa1 drop constraint zzz;

Table altered.

SQL select * from user_constraints where table_name = 'QAQA1';

no rows selected

SQL select * from user_indexes where table_name = 'QAQA1';

no rows selected



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RE: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Rajaram

I think thats the reason why we have two options - Estimate and Compute Statistics.

Rajaram.
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All,
 
Just a quicky !!
 
Anyone know if there are any locking issues while analyzing statistics for
objects ??
 
TIA
 
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Re: Installing Apache on Sun

2001-05-30 Thread Jonathan Baker

shouldn't be any problems running apache on the same server.  at least
i've set up oracle on solaris 7 with apache installed.


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RE:

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

This person was actually allowed to teach.  Never ask why, yes that's a
super philosophy on life.

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That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to
live.

: )

Patrice Boivin
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 And Where.

 Terry

 Boivin, Patrice J wrote:

  When and how
 
  Patrice Boivin
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Re: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Stephen Andert



Azhar, 

I agree with the other responses (more RAM, don't use OPTIMAL on your 
RBS's) but would also suggestdropping all indexes except PK until the load 
is done, therebuild them. Also, does this table have any 
triggers? If so, if can you disable them during the load, that will help 
speed up the load. 

For help in setting the ROWS and BINDSIZE parameters, there is an article 
of mine that O'Reilly published on their web site (http://oracle.oreilly.com/news/oraclesqlload_0401.html) 
which details my experience which resulted in some big performance gains.

HTH,

Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/30/01 02:19AM 
HI ALL,We have to load almost 3 millions records of 
average row size of 150 bytes.We are importing data using sqloader with 
ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .We have adjusted the rollback segment to 
almost 10 m with 8 extents enoughfor single transaction size and 
considering 30% rollback overhead. Weadjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have 
avoid rollback extensionRollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 
100%.The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed 
likesnail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs 
RAM.SGA figures in M 
:NAME 
VALUE -Fixed 
Size 
.0676384Variable Size 
239.02734Database Buffers 
39.0625Redo Buffers 
7.8203125 
-sum 
285.97779( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). 
.Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.Any ideas.TIAAzhar 
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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

I would not recommend using optimal as it will cause the segment to have to
shrink.  Your better of doing it manually on lulls of activity and size the
segments bigger if need be.  Segments should not be frequently shrinking.



Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

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HI ALL,
We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 bytes.
We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .
We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents enough
for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.

The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs RAM
.
SGA figures in M :
NAME VALUE
 -
Fixed Size.0676384
Variable Size239.02734
Database Buffers   39.0625
Redo Buffers 7.8203125
 -
sum  285.97779
( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
Any ideas.
TIA
Azhar Siddiq,
DBA
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Re: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Igor Neyman



It depends.
For instance, 'analyze index validate structure' takes out 
'shared' lock on the table (preventing inserts/deletes/updates), while 'analyze 
index compute/estimate statistics' does not.
For more info see 'Practical Oracle 8i' by Jonathan Lewis - 
very good book.

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  !!
  
  Anyone know if 
  there are any locking issues while analyzing statistics for objects 
  ??
  
  TIA
  
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RE: Creating a sorted table

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

This is totally NOT accurate.

Yes there are performance gains storing index data ordered.  Perhaps great
on range scans.  Yes you can reorder tables and indexes.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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Whyever would you want data inserted in order?  There is no guarantee that
Oracle will actually store the records in order, there is no performance
gain, and you can always retrieve the records in order by using an order by
statement -- if you really need ordered data, you could use a
index-organized table with all of your columns, with the date as the first
column.  But methinks this would be dangerous for a heavy transaction
table.  (Gurus, please correct me if I'm wrong here)

However, if you are still keen, you could do this through a PL/SQL block,
something like the following:

declare
 cursor get_data is
  select col1, col2, col3, ...
  from unordered_table
  order by whatever;
begin
 for dataRec in get_data loop
  insert into ordered_table (col1, col2, col3, ...)
  values (dataRec.col1, dataRec.col2, dataRec.col3, ...)
 end loop;
end;
/

Cheers!

Diana



 

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We have un-ordered data in a table that needs to be inserted into a
transaction table in
order of the date that the transaction took place.

Oracle does not allow INSERT . AS SELECT . ORDER BY.
or CREATE TMP_TABLE  . AS SELECT . ORDER BY..

Is there a method by which I can accomplish this.

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RE: Creating a sorted table

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence
Title: RE: Creating a sorted table



That 
is version specific, but you can use an index hint to do this in older 
versions.

"Walking on water and developing software from a 
specification are easy if both are frozen." 
Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Fuelspot 

  -Original Message-From: Vijay_Krishna 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 7:00 
  AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: 
  Creating a sorted table
  Hi infact creating the table as sorted data from another 
  table works with oracle 8.1.6.3.0 as:  create table agrs as 
  select * from agreements order by agr_agreement_number desc; 
  Is this OK?? 
  Vijay 
  
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Reply To: 
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 Re: 
Creating a sorted table 
There is a very good reason for having 
data "approximately" in physical order - 
it can dramatically improve your buffer 
hit rates. 
IOT's are great for this, but if you're on an 
earlier version then the occasional job 
to "pseudo-cluster" the data can be a 
very good thing... 
Cheers Connor 
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Whyever would you want data inserted 
in order?  There is no guarantee 
that  Oracle will actually store the 
records "in order",  there is no 
performance  gain, and you can always 
retrieve the records in  order by 
using an order by  statement -- if 
you really need ordered data, you  
could use a  index-organized table 
with all of your columns, with  the 
date as the first  column. But 
methinks this would be dangerous for a  heavy transaction  
table. (Gurus, please correct me if I'm wrong here)   However, if 
you are still keen, you could do this  through a PL/SQL block,  
something like the following:  
 declare  cursor get_data is 
 
select col1, col2, col3, ...  from 
unordered_table  
order by whatever;  begin 
 for dataRec 
in get_data loop  
insert into ordered_table (col1, col2,  col3, ...)  
values (dataRec.col1, dataRec.col2,  
dataRec.col3, ...)  end loop;  end;  / 
  
Cheers!   Diana
 
 
 
 
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RE: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Ron Rogers

Uptime yes... BUT was there anything running on them as complex as a database?

Just joking. I have used Novell in the past ver 2.something and it served the purpose 
very well. At my current work location we use 4.12 and it is okay at best. Upgrading 
to 5.1 this year before we install a financial package that won't run on Novell with 
an Oracle database.(Novell and Oracle fell out of bed).
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Re: How to drop unique index

2001-05-30 Thread Rachel Carmichael


that's not dropping a unique index, that's dropping a column!

to drop an index:

drop index indexname;

doesn't matter if it is unique or not.

If you are trying to drop a unique constraint, that's different.

first find the name of the unique constraint on that table

select constraint_name from user_constraints where constraint_type='U';

will give you all the unique constraints on that table.

If there is more than one unique constraint, check in user_cons_columns to 
match the column to the constraint.

Then you can

alter table tablename drop constraint constraintname;

Rachel

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 00:50:25 -0800

Hi Gurus,

I tried to drop unique index using ALTER TABLE table_name DROP UNIQUE
(column_name); unsuccessfully. How should I drop the unique index ? Please
advise. Thanks.

SQL SELECT * FROM USER_IND_COLUMNS WHERE TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';

INDEX_NAME TABLE_NAME COLUMN_NAME
-- --
--
U_SPYADH_2 SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT  STDNAME


SQL SELECT INDEX_NAME,TABLE_OWNER,TABLE_NAME,UNIQUENESS FROM  USER_INDEXES
WHERE TABLE_NAME='SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT';

INDEX_NAME   TABLE_OWNERTABLE_NAME
UNIQUENES
 -- --

U_SPYADH_2   SPYSPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT
UNIQUE

SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME);
ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP UNIQUE (STDNAME)
*
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-02442: Cannot drop nonexistent unique key

SQL ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2;
ALTER TABLE SPY.SPY_ADHOC_PAYMENT DROP CONSTRAINT U_SPYADH_2
   *
ERROR at line 1:
ORA-02443: Cannot drop constraint  - nonexistent constraint

Regds,
New Bee
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   It will be there under $ORACLE_HOME/rdbms/admin

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hello oracle gurus!
   
i just tried a default installation of oracle 8.0.6 to our
hp-unix machine.
i followed step by step the procedures as stated in the
oracle installation
guide. my problem is when it comes to the step (pp 4-2 of
the installation
guide) that says run the catrep.sql. where can i find this
sql script?
   
thanks!
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Re: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Ray Stell

On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:01:22AM -0800, Christopher Spence wrote:
 I have built Novell boxes that have 2100+ days of uptime :)
 
 Now that is stability that I have yet to see even unix have.
 Granted it is only Novell 3.12.


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RE: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Riyaj_Shamsudeen

Analyze index validate structure takes shared lock on the table disallowing any changes to the table or indexes. That's the only way to validate the structures.

In earlier versions (7.3 ?) 'analyze ..compute' used to take table level locks. From 8 onwards, compute or estimate does not take any table level or row level locks at all...

Thanks
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Ok, now I'm confused

One reply
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It depends. For instance, 'analyze index validate structure' takes out
'shared' lock on the table (preventing inserts/deletes/updates), while
'analyze index compute/estimate statistics' does not.

Another
---
Compute option locks a table, but 'estimate' doesn't

Anyone have a definitive answer.

PS. Thanks to the guys who have replied up to now.

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Re: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Rodd Holman

Peter is right.  Look at your SGA it's 285M.  If you only have 128M on 
the machine you are running your at least 75% of your db in swap.  I 
would recommend 512M MINIMUM on this system push for more if you can.  
RAM is relatively cheap right now for intel machines get some.  After 
that you need to get some other system stats (i/o, cpu, waits, locks) and 
configuration data (SMP?, RAID??).

Rodd Holman

 Original Message 

On 5/30/01, 6:21:45 AM, Peter McLarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote 
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 Okay fill us in why would you try and inane thing like that on only 128MB
 RAM. NT would be barely running on that without getting your instance up. 
I
 am not that good yet at calculating what amount of RAM you need for a 
given
 SGA but I am thinking that you are running in swap

 What is the disk configuration.

 Are you running RAID and if so what configuration. (Not RAID 5 I hope)

 Can you get this system up to 512MB at least.

 With this and a whole lot more you will get some better answers

 Peter
 Trainee Oracle DBA

 At 01:19 AM 30/05/2001 -0800, you wrote:

 HI ALL,
 We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 
bytes.
 We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 
.
 We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents 
enough
 for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
 adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
 Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.
 
 The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
 snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs 
RAM
 .
 SGA figures in M :
 NAME VALUE
  -
 Fixed Size.0676384
 Variable Size239.02734
 Database Buffers   39.0625
 Redo Buffers 7.8203125
   -
 sum  285.97779
 ( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
 Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
 Any ideas.
 TIA
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Re: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Jim Hawkins

Azhar,

Just two thoughts off the top of my head to improve loading of records:
1.  Put database in noarchivelog mode to avoid redo generation (if 
possible).
2.  Drop all indexes on target tables (if possible), then load data, then 
recreate all indexes on target tables.

Jim

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 HI ALL,
 We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 
bytes.
 We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .
 We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents 
enough
 for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
 adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
 Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.
 
 The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
 snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs RAM
 .
 SGA figures in M :
 NAME VALUE
  -
 Fixed Size.0676384
 Variable Size239.02734
 Database Buffers   39.0625
 Redo Buffers 7.8203125
  -
 sum  285.97779
 ( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
 Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
 Any ideas.
 TIA
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RE: OT: random equipment seen ???/ RE: V$SESSION.OSUSER returns

2001-05-30 Thread Kimberly Smith

If you every try and knock a cat off of something when she really
does not want to go you will see that quite clearly.  It really is quite
amazing (and annoying).

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Eric,

duct tape not needed... they seem to adhere all on their own. One of the 
magical properties of cats.

Rachel


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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 13:44:48 -0800

Christopher,

trivial question, at:

http://www.vampired.net/images/comproom.jpg

what the heck is the object on top of the box on the left?

looks like either a dental cleaning instrument, or a very
small fishing pole like device.

do you ever find it necessary to use duct tape to keep cats
from falling off the top of your monitors?

thanks,
ep


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Re: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Raghu Kota

Yeah If you use compute statistics your table get locked and will take long 
time, But If you use  estimate statistics it will be fast But not as 
accurate as before. Better to analyze at nights by setting time.

Raghu.


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Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 03:21:46 -0800

All,

Just a quicky !!

Anyone know if there are any locking issues while analyzing statistics for
objects ??

TIA

Lee




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RE: Database slowdown after 100 days uptime

2001-05-30 Thread Seema Singh

Hi Bruce
As I understand ur server uptime is 242 days.Right!If this is the case then 
Please reboot the server would solve this problem.The similar kind of 
problem I faced in past.
Hope this will help u.If you would like to more information then please 
visit metalink.
Thanks
-Seema

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Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:15:47 -0800

As far as my experience ,my site also got this problem , that is why every
weekend we run a shutdown and restart the Unix box also in order to clean 
up
some of the unwanted redo log and refresh the memory as well.

it seen like our system become 6*24 instead of 7*24 , but in the business
view is we open only until Saturday.

but now we have branch open in shopping mall ,and they work in Sunday ?

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Keep an eye on free memory -- one of our similar systems has to be 
restarted
every 60 days to prevent the behaviour you're encountering.   We haven't
determined the source of the memory leak, but if we permit it to continue
eventually the DB stops responding and cannot be shut down.  This system
does
some analytical work for us so it has different connection and activity
profiles than the others, so I've a limited basis for comparison, but the
other
8.1.5 databse (this one's data source) shows similar problems over a longer
period.
My plan is to take it up to 8.1.7 as those systems are not showing that 
sort
of
problem.
Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) wrote:

  Hi,
 
  We're running Oracle 8.1.5.1.1 on NT 4.
 
  On Saturday our database started getting much slower
   - to me, there didn't seem to be any major events showing up in
  v$session_wait, v$session_event
 
  Restarting the database instance and service solved the performance
  problems.
 
  Today, when reviewing logs of the queries I noticed that the database 
had
  been up for 100 days when it started slowing.
 
  The 100 days uptime may be unrelated, but has anyone seen this behaviour
on
  any platform?
 
  For information, the server itself has been up for 242 days (240 days 
when
  the problem started occurring).
 
  Thanks,
  Bruce Reardon
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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Hillman, Alex

Why putting DB in noarchivelog will avoid redo generation? There will be no
archiving, but redo will continue to be generated.

Alex Hillman

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Azhar,

Just two thoughts off the top of my head to improve loading of records:
1.  Put database in noarchivelog mode to avoid redo generation (if 
possible).
2.  Drop all indexes on target tables (if possible), then load data, then 
recreate all indexes on target tables.

Jim

Jim Hawkins
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (work)
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 HI ALL,
 We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 
bytes.
 We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .
 We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents 
enough
 for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
 adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
 Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.
 
 The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
 snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs RAM
 .
 SGA figures in M :
 NAME VALUE
  -
 Fixed Size.0676384
 Variable Size239.02734
 Database Buffers   39.0625
 Redo Buffers 7.8203125
  -
 sum  285.97779
 ( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
 Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
 Any ideas.
 TIA
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 DBA
 LMK Resources
 
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RE: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Kimberly Smith

Ya, but I can keep a NT box for a long time to, if I don't touch it.


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I have built Novell boxes that have 2100+ days of uptime :)

Now that is stability that I have yet to see even unix have.
Granted it is only Novell 3.12.


Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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Jared,

I have an NT 4 server up for 242 days.

Someone where I work suggested it should be sent to Microsoft for an
examination (must be something wrong with it).

Regards,
Bruce

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On Friday 25 May 2001 18:26, Weaver, Walt wrote:
 Ditto. I support Jared's backspace claims 100%, and I don't think he
should
 be removed from the list.

I sure appreciate that Walt!

 I've heard there are other operating systems out there besides Linux and
 Solaris. Is this true?

A nasty rumor.  There's an upstart startup in WA that claims to have
something akin to an OS, but it keeps failing the 30 day stability test.

Jared


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RE: Creating a sorted table

2001-05-30 Thread Mohan, Ross

Diana, 

You might wanna check out www.kx.com   Those guys have 
a lightning rocket of a dbms, and it is based, in part, 
on storing data in search/sort-dependent order. (There is
a bunch of background data on the site itself.)

In any case, reading up on other dbms technologies has
a place in any DBAs self-education. Else, we're just
sitting around quoting anecdotes to one another!

Hope this helps, 

Cheers, 

Ross

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|| 
|| 
|| This is totally NOT accurate.
|| 
|| Yes there are performance gains storing index data ordered.  
|| Perhaps great
|| on range scans.  Yes you can reorder tables and indexes.
|| 
|| Walking on water and developing software from a 
|| specification are easy if
|| both are frozen.
|| 
|| Christopher R. Spence
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|| To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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|| 
|| 
|| Whyever would you want data inserted in order?  There is no 
|| guarantee that
|| Oracle will actually store the records in order, there is 
|| no performance
|| gain, and you can always retrieve the records in order by 
|| using an order by
|| statement -- if you really need ordered data, you could use a
|| index-organized table with all of your columns, with the 
|| date as the first
|| column.  But methinks this would be dangerous for a heavy transaction
|| table.  (Gurus, please correct me if I'm wrong here)
|| 
|| However, if you are still keen, you could do this through a 
|| PL/SQL block,
|| something like the following:
|| 
|| declare
||  cursor get_data is
||   select col1, col2, col3, ...
||   from unordered_table
||   order by whatever;
|| begin
||  for dataRec in get_data loop
||   insert into ordered_table (col1, col2, col3, ...)
||   values (dataRec.col1, dataRec.col2, dataRec.col3, ...)
||  end loop;
|| end;
|| /
|| 
|| Cheers!
|| 
|| Diana
|| 
|| 
|| 
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|| We have un-ordered data in a table that needs to be inserted into a
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|| order of the date that the transaction took place.
|| 
|| Oracle does not allow INSERT . AS SELECT . ORDER BY.
|| or CREATE TMP_TABLE  . AS SELECT . ORDER BY..
|| 
|| Is there a method by which I can accomplish this.
|| 
|| Thank you in advance
|| 
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RE: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Mohan, Ross

Six years? No downtime in any way? That would be...uh.unusual. 

I am sure the details are fascinating...do tell.

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|| I have built Novell boxes that have 2100+ days of uptime :)
|| 
|| Now that is stability that I have yet to see even unix have.
|| Granted it is only Novell 3.12.
|| 
|| 
|| Walking on water and developing software from a 
|| specification are easy if
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|| 
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|| Jared,
|| 
|| I have an NT 4 server up for 242 days.
|| 
|| Someone where I work suggested it should be sent to Microsoft for an
|| examination (must be something wrong with it).
|| 
|| Regards,
|| Bruce
|| 
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|| 
|| On Friday 25 May 2001 18:26, Weaver, Walt wrote:
||  Ditto. I support Jared's backspace claims 100%, and I 
|| don't think he
|| should
||  be removed from the list.
|| 
|| I sure appreciate that Walt!
|| 
||  I've heard there are other operating systems out there 
|| besides Linux and
||  Solaris. Is this true?
|| 
|| A nasty rumor.  There's an upstart startup in WA that claims to have
|| something akin to an OS, but it keeps failing the 30 day 
|| stability test.
|| 
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Re: io size of Unix machine

2001-05-30 Thread Riyaj_Shamsudeen




Are you trying to find maximum size of the IO possible in Sun/Solaris ?
Kernel parameter maxphys parameter determines the maximum size of the IO
possible from the OS. By default, it is around 128k depending upon what
hardware you use(sun4d=124k, sun4u=128ketc ). If you user veritas volume
manager, then vol_maxio parameter is the maximum size of the IO possible
through veritas layer. If you use disk suite then, md_maxphys is the
maximum IO size. So, if you want to set your IO size, then set both
parameters maxphys and vol_maxio to that value (assuming you are using
veritas ). Also, I think, veritas has hard limit of 256k and Oracle has
hard limit of 512k.

Your values should depend upon the type of application, type of disk
drives, stripe width etc..

Thanks
Riyaj "Re-yas" Shamsudeen
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RE: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Vadim Gorbounov

Not necessarily. 8i+ DOESN'T require _ANY_ lock to COMPUTE while collecting
statistics (99.99% of total operation time). It needs short lock to start
and complete analyze.
Regards
Vadim

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Hi Lee,
 
Compute option locks a table, but 'estimate' doesn't
 
Regards,
Ed

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All,
 
Just a quicky !!
 
Anyone know if there are any locking issues while analyzing statistics for
objects ??
 
TIA
 
Lee



 


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RE: multiple versions of SQLPlus.exe [now evolved to: multiple versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

On NT 4 with Developer 6i and Oracle 816/817 I have never been able to get
Oracle db to work off of the tns_admin key.  Only forms would work off of
the tns_admin, and without that key forms would not connect to the dbs.
Just thought I would mention that.
Kev

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You CAN actually set the TNS_ADMIN variable in the registry under
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/ - It may not be there at first, all you
need to do is create a new key called TNS_ADMIN with a value of the path
to your master tnsnames.ora file.

HTH

Mark

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In Unix, one can create links to a master by $ ls -s some master
tnsnames.ora some other location/file.
(I know, I could, and probably should, use the TNS_ADMIN environmental
variable instead.)

There seems to be no equivalent of this in NT though.  Creating a shortcut
doesn't seem to work.  Copying files around seems primitive at best.  Am I
missing something?  [OK, OK!  I'll reform and use the environmental
variable!]

-Don Granaman
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 Dave,

 It seems to me that you are having a problem reading the proper
TNSNAMES.ORA for

 the different DBs.  What I would do in your situation is to search for all
 TNSNAMES.ORA files in your PC, since you have products installed in more
than
 one home and more than one version you should have multiple.  Edit them
and see
 which ones contain the entries that you need, in one or more of them some
 entries will be missing, what you can do is copy/paste the missing
entries, once

 you have the file you want then copy it to all the different Homes and
you
 should be able to connect to the different DB's.
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OT (everybody has a bad day once in a while...)/ RE: Creating a sorted table

2001-05-30 Thread Eric D. Pierce


On 30 May 2001, at 8:10, Christopher Spence wrote:


 This is totally NOT accurate.




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RE: random equipment seen ???/ RE: V$SESSION.OSUSER returns NT-D

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

mainekoon cats.  Almost as big as dogs, and do pull sleds.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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NT-D


 10 sub pounding, she doesn't even flinch, go
 figure.  Then right when I am
 about to cap the flag for the win, she jumps on the
 keyboard and jumps on my
 shoulder.  Hense I ussually get killed then.
  Sounds to me like she knows exactly what she's
doing!

-- Anita

Cats are more intelligent than dogs...  when was the
last time you saw 12 cats pulling a sled in the snow!

--- Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Powered screw driver :)  Boy I love that thing, I
 put a 6 philips on it and
 I can work on boxes really easily by setting it to
 very low toque.
 
 Nah, Kitana always stays up there when I am working.
  21 monitor, tons of
 room to sit for a cat :)
 Considering it never gets turned off, it is always
 hot.  Just wonder how she
 stays there when I am playing tribes 2, got my sound
 turned way up with a
 10 sub pounding, she doesn't even flinch, go
 figure.  Then right when I am
 about to cap the flag for the win, she jumps on the
 keyboard and jumps on my
 shoulder.  Hense I ussually get killed then.
 
 
 Walking on water and developing software from a
 specification are easy if
 both are frozen.
 
 Christopher R. Spence
 Oracle DBA
 Fuelspot 
 
 
 
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 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 5:45 PM
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 NT-Domain\NT-User ?
 
 
 Christopher,
 
 trivial question, at:
 
http://www.vampired.net/images/comproom.jpg
 
 what the heck is the object on top of the box on the
 left?
 
 looks like either a dental cleaning instrument, or a
 very
 small fishing pole like device.
 
 do you ever find it necessary to use duct tape to
 keep cats
 from falling off the top of your monitors?
 
 thanks,
 ep
 
 
 On 29 May 2001, at 10:28, Christopher scribbled with
 alacrity and cogency:
 
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RE: RE: RE:

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

Reminds me of a bad joke...

What did the farmer say when his tractor broke?

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Just because!

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Date:   5/30/2001 11:42 AM

Oh my, but why?

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Ours is not to wonder why, ours is just to do or die!!

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This person was actually allowed to teach.  Never ask why, yes that's a
super philosophy on life.

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That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to
live.

: )

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


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when?
But, more important, WHY???

-Don Granaman
[certifiable OraSaurus]

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 And Where.

 Terry

 Boivin, Patrice J wrote:

  When and how
 
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Post, Ethan

John, have you read Cary Millsap's paper on RAID 5?  www.hotsos.com I
believe. RAID 5 will require additional writes by DBWR which is going to be
huge overhead during a dataload.

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Peter McLarty wrote
Are you running RAID and if so what configuration. (Not RAID 5 I hope)

Interesting. I am posting an excerpt from Doc 97597.1 Optimising Raid
performance for Oracle RDBMS on NT

RAID 5 is useful for Oracle datafiles but not for redo log files or rollback
segments which are sequentially accessed. Datafiles belonging to the
temporary tablespace are not suitable for a RAID 5 device. More benefits
will be seen in situations where reads predominate over writes. 

I know that in this instance it is a data load that is being discussed but
presumably once the data is loaded then it will be read more than once.

Certainly the tone of the note suggests that raid 5 is not a definite no-no
rather a 'be cautious as to which files are placed where'. It is my belief
that often a single raid level is set for all files rather than a mix of
raid 1 and raid 5 as appropriate.

Peter, I fully agree that the level of memory utilised here is totally
insufficient and is very likely to be the constraining factor in this case.

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RE: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

Hey, NT could be up for 2100+ days, I mean, by the time you get there it
won't even be able to play solitaire, but it will be up.

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I have built Novell boxes that have 2100+ days of uptime :)

Now that is stability that I have yet to see even unix have.
Granted it is only Novell 3.12.


Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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Jared,

I have an NT 4 server up for 242 days.

Someone where I work suggested it should be sent to Microsoft for an
examination (must be something wrong with it).

Regards,
Bruce

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On Friday 25 May 2001 18:26, Weaver, Walt wrote:
 Ditto. I support Jared's backspace claims 100%, and I don't think he
should
 be removed from the list.

I sure appreciate that Walt!

 I've heard there are other operating systems out there besides Linux and
 Solaris. Is this true?

A nasty rumor.  There's an upstart startup in WA that claims to have
something akin to an OS, but it keeps failing the 30 day stability test.

Jared


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re: Script examples for NT. (yuk!)

2001-05-30 Thread Eric D. Pierce


http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/Scripts/?File=Scripting.BAT

(also see bottom of this message for more URLs)

http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/?File=!Contents.TXT


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 From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 8:46 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Yet another scripting question


 However, if the user double clicks the
 script again, it should not map a new
 drive, it will only open an Explorer
 window showing them the contents of
 the already mapped drive.

 That will actually require a bit more code than you've used so far,
 since the ENV variables will not retain enough info between runs.

 Here's a script using the CD command, which I don't like (for this
 purpose).  Rule #3 in scripting should be to always use the FOR
 command... :)

 ~
 @ECHO OFF
  SETLOCAL
  SET DRIVELIST=z y x w v u t s r q p o n m l k j i h g f e d
  SET CHECKDRIVE=FALSE
  FOR %%D IN (%DRIVELIST%) DO CALL :CheckDrive %%D
  ECHO %CHECKDRIVE%
  ENDLOCAL
  GOTO :EOF

 :CheckDrive
  rem - %1 = Current Drive Letter
  CD %1:\ 2NUL
  IF %ERRORLEVEL% EQU 1 IF /I %CHOSEN%==FALSE SET CHECKDRIVE=%1:
  GOTO :EOF
 ~


 As a replacement for CD, I chose PUSHD, especially since it already
 does the first part of what you want (chosing the highest available
 drive letter).

 ~
 @ECHO OFF
  SETLOCAL
  SET RESOURCE=\\COMPUTER\SHARE
  SET CHECKDRIVE=NOT SET
  PUSHD %RESOURCE%
  IF %ERRORLEVEL% EQU 0 FOR /F DELIMS=\ %%D IN ('CD') DO SET
 CHECKDRIVE=%%D
  ECHO %CHECKDRIVE%
  POPD
  ENDLOCAL
 ~



 Now, if you don't want the drive assigned again, you should check 
for
 the existence of the mapping before running the rest of the 
script


 See the following:
  http://www.ultratech-llc.com/KB/Scripts/?File=MapDrive.BAT

 The full script will be here at some point before tomorrow 
morning...



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Date sent:  Wed, 30 May 2001 01:38:54 -0700

Andrew S. Baker wrote:

 I ended up using PUSHD, since it is native to NT/2000 and does all the
 work of choosing the highest free drive.


==begin file c:\CMD\TEST\freedrive.cmd ==
001. @echo off
002. setlocal
003. set tgt=%1
004. if /i %tgt% NEQ HIGHEST if /i %tgt% NEQ LOWEST (
005.echo.
006.echo Specify an argument of HIGHEST to return the highest free drive letter
007.echo Specify an argument of LOWEST  to return the lowest  free drive letter
008.endlocalgoto :EOF
009. )
010. set free_drives=
011. for %%a in (
012.   z y x w v u t s r q p o n m l k j i h g f e d c b
013. ) do call :test %%a
014. set free_drives=%free_drives:~1%
015. call :%tgt%
016. endlocalset %~n0=%free_drive%goto :EOF
017.
018. :test
019. if exist %1: goto :EOF
020. set free_drives=%free_drives% %1:
021. goto :EOF
022.
023. :lowest
024. for /f tokens=1 delims=:  %%a in (
025.  %free_drives%
026. ) do set free_drive=%%a:
027. goto :EOF
028.
029. :highest
030. call :length %free_drives%
031. set /a pos = length - 3
032. call :exec set free_drive=%%free_drives:~%pos%,2%%%
033. goto :EOF
034.
035. :length
036. set S1=%*
037. set length=0
038. :lloop
039. if not defined S1 goto :EOF
040. set S1=%S1:~1%
041. set /a length+=1
042. goto :lloop
043.
044. :exec
045. %*
046. goto :EOF
==end   file c:\CMD\TEST\freedrive.cmd ==

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RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Yosi

Yeah, I'd say that proportion would have worked in my group too.
And when I interviewed others, I rarely got any great people
applying, and it's almost solely because at that level, dollars
were so much better as independents, and the only people who
wanted to come were visa-sponsors or relative newbies.

Again, I really had a great run there, and I'm grateful. (I don't
know why I need to keep saying that.) And, I'd even probably go back
if I could work out the salary. But I haven't tried.

Anyway, still rambling,

Yosi


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 Subject: Re:OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...
 
 
 Yosi,
 
 I interviewed for one of those jobs here in Boston, MA.  
 Although there was
 one VERY good individual in the bunch I was a little 
 perplexed by the others. 
 Most were very junior and had not been in an outside shop 
 before, one was
 straight out of school and bootcamp and only one had done a 
 real recovery.  It
 also hit me as strange that other than the smart guy, none of 
 them had ever
 created a database from scratch.  Thankfully I did not take the job.
 
 Dick Goulet
 
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 Date:   5/25/2001 11:52 AM
 
 From experience, I have used consultants from Oracle.  The 
 1st one sent was
 right out of DBA school.  We sent him back after 1 week.  At 
 that time, Oracle
 didn't allow you to interview their DBA's.  According to 
 Oracle, they were all
 good.  The 2nd DBA Oracle sent had only NT experience, never 
 been on a Unix
 machine.  Ok, sent him back too.  By this time, we were about 
 to give up, then
 Oracle sent DBA #3 and she was sharp.  The moral of the 
 story, Oracle will send
 the juniors 1st b/c they save the good ones for the 3rd strike :)
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/01 03:01PM 
 I was once one of those superior i-dba consultants. I was pretty good,
 and as with this list, some of my colleagues were amazingly talented,
 knowledgable and great to work with. Others were, well, others.
 
 It's lots of fun to ridicule, disparage, deride, belittle, and mock
 Oracle Consulting, and don't even get me started about Oracle Support,
 and I do this all the time too, I just want to put in a good word
 for SOME of my old friends.
 
 Have a great weekend.
 
 Yosi
 
 
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  I've just spent most of today repairing damage left at a 
 site by some 
  of Oracle's 'superior' consultants!
  
  At 8:27 -0800 25/5/01, Gary Weber wrote:
  Far as their superior i-dba team, I sure hope those are 
 different 
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RE: random equipment seen ???/ RE: V$SESSION.OSUSER returns NT-D

2001-05-30 Thread Thater, William

On Wed, 30 May 2001,Christopher Spence scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon:

-mainekoon cats.  Almost as big as dogs, and do pull sleds.

and like laps.  and if you don't make one for them, they just tangle your feet
till you fall down and then climb in your lap.;-)



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RE: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Robertson Lee - lerobe



Many 
thanks


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  17:10To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: 
  RE: Analyze table and lockingAnalyze index validate structure takes shared lock on the table 
  disallowing any changes to the table or indexes. That's the only way to 
  validate the structures. In 
  earlier versions (7.3 ?) 'analyze ..compute' used to take table level locks. 
  From 8 onwards, compute or estimate does not take any table level or row level 
  locks at all... ThanksRiyaj 
  "Re-yas" ShamsudeenCertified Oracle DBAi2 technologies  
  www.i2.com 
  


  
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lockingOk, now I'm confusedOne 
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  inserts/deletes/updates), while'analyze index compute/estimate statistics' 
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Re: multiple versions of SQLPlus.exe [now evolved to: multiple versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]

2001-05-30 Thread Igor Neyman

If under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE you have one or multiple
folders, like:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/HOME0
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/HOME1


then you have to create TNS_ADMIN string value (not key) in each of those
folders pointing to your master tnsnames.ora file.

Works for me.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
Perceptron, Inc.
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versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]


 On NT 4 with Developer 6i and Oracle 816/817 I have never been able to get
 Oracle db to work off of the tns_admin key.  Only forms would work off of
 the tns_admin, and without that key forms would not connect to the dbs.
 Just thought I would mention that.
 Kev

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 versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]


 You CAN actually set the TNS_ADMIN variable in the registry under
 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/ - It may not be there at first, all
you
 need to do is create a new key called TNS_ADMIN with a value of the path
 to your master tnsnames.ora file.

 HTH

 Mark

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 versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]


 In Unix, one can create links to a master by $ ls -s some master
 tnsnames.ora some other location/file.
 (I know, I could, and probably should, use the TNS_ADMIN environmental
 variable instead.)

 There seems to be no equivalent of this in NT though.  Creating a
shortcut
 doesn't seem to work.  Copying files around seems primitive at best.  Am I
 missing something?  [OK, OK!  I'll reform and use the environmental
 variable!]

 -Don Granaman
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  Dave,
 
  It seems to me that you are having a problem reading the proper
 TNSNAMES.ORA for
 
  the different DBs.  What I would do in your situation is to search for
all
  TNSNAMES.ORA files in your PC, since you have products installed in more
 than
  one home and more than one version you should have multiple.  Edit them
 and see
  which ones contain the entries that you need, in one or more of them
some
  entries will be missing, what you can do is copy/paste the missing
 entries, once
 
  you have the file you want then copy it to all the different Homes and
 you
  should be able to connect to the different DB's.
 [... snip ...]

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Is DBMS_OBFUSCATION free in Enterprise Edition?

2001-05-30 Thread Cherie_Machler


We have Enterprise Edition 8.1.7.1 on Sun Solaris 2.6.

My manager needs a definitive answer.   Is DBMS_OBFUSCATION
free with this version of Enterprise Edition server or is it part of an
extra-cost add-on.

All definitive answers welcome. I have a call in to Oracle but they
have not yet responded.  My manager wants to know today.

Thanks,

Cherie Machler
Oracle DBA
Gelco Information Network


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PL/SQL Error

2001-05-30 Thread Bartolo, David

Hi all

Can someone help me out here? I am getting this error when I try to run this
PL/SQL code from an ASP page.
The error manual just says to check speeling. I DID. Is there anything I am
missing?  The DB is V7.3  I am trying to
return the resultset to the page.

PLS-00306: wrong number or types of arguments in call to 'COURSE_SELECT'

Here is the PL/SQL code

create or replace package course.course_bulletin is
TYPE tbl_call_no IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.call_no%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_schl_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.schl_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_dept_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.dept_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;

  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no,
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd,
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd);
 
end; 

create or replace package body course.course_bulletin as
 
  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no, 
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd, 
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd) IS
   CURSOR c1 is 
   SELECT call_no,schl_cd,dept_cd 
FROM COURSE.cmcmcrst
   WHERE ccyy = i_ccyy
   AND term_cd = '2'
   AND instrl_cd = '0';
   
  crscount NUMBER DEFAULT 1;

  BEGIN
  FOR c IN c1 LOOP
o_call_no(crscount) := c.call_no;
o_schl_cd(crscount) := c.schl_cd;
o_dept_cd(crscount) := c.dept_cd;
crscount := crscount + 1;
  END LOOP;
  END;
end; 

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Re: How to send email from pl/sql in 806?

2001-05-30 Thread Jared Still

On Wednesday 30 May 2001 03:10, Saurabh Sharma wrote:

 should i give it all four arguments. but it still not executing saying
 ora-06512

There are always other error messages accompanying an ORA-6512.

What are they?

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RE: Database slowdown after 100 days uptime

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Lange

Its not a general Oracle or Unix thing because we had out AIX boxes up and
running Oracle 7.3.4 and 8.1.6 for many months at a time with no reboots.

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Hi Bruce
As I understand ur server uptime is 242 days.Right!If this is the case then 
Please reboot the server would solve this problem.The similar kind of 
problem I faced in past.
Hope this will help u.If you would like to more information then please 
visit metalink.
Thanks
-Seema

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Subject: RE: Database slowdown after 100 days uptime
Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 18:15:47 -0800

As far as my experience ,my site also got this problem , that is why every
weekend we run a shutdown and restart the Unix box also in order to clean 
up
some of the unwanted redo log and refresh the memory as well.

it seen like our system become 6*24 instead of 7*24 , but in the business
view is we open only until Saturday.

but now we have branch open in shopping mall ,and they work in Sunday ?

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Keep an eye on free memory -- one of our similar systems has to be 
restarted
every 60 days to prevent the behaviour you're encountering.   We haven't
determined the source of the memory leak, but if we permit it to continue
eventually the DB stops responding and cannot be shut down.  This system
does
some analytical work for us so it has different connection and activity
profiles than the others, so I've a limited basis for comparison, but the
other
8.1.5 databse (this one's data source) shows similar problems over a longer
period.
My plan is to take it up to 8.1.7 as those systems are not showing that 
sort
of
problem.
Reardon, Bruce (CALBBAY) wrote:

  Hi,
 
  We're running Oracle 8.1.5.1.1 on NT 4.
 
  On Saturday our database started getting much slower
   - to me, there didn't seem to be any major events showing up in
  v$session_wait, v$session_event
 
  Restarting the database instance and service solved the performance
  problems.
 
  Today, when reviewing logs of the queries I noticed that the database 
had
  been up for 100 days when it started slowing.
 
  The 100 days uptime may be unrelated, but has anyone seen this behaviour
on
  any platform?
 
  For information, the server itself has been up for 242 days (240 days 
when
  the problem started occurring).
 
  Thanks,
  Bruce Reardon
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RE: RE: RE:

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

Actually I say:

You know what the farmer said when the cow died?

Geesh, it never did that before.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Fuelspot 



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Reminds me of a bad joke...

What did the farmer say when his tractor broke?

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Just because!

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Oh my, but why?

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Ours is not to wonder why, ours is just to do or die!!

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Date:   5/30/2001 7:02 AM

This person was actually allowed to teach.  Never ask why, yes that's a
super philosophy on life.

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Patrice J
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:31 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to
live.

: )

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


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Subject:Re:

when?
But, more important, WHY???

-Don Granaman
[certifiable OraSaurus]

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 And Where.

 Terry

 Boivin, Patrice J wrote:

  When and how
 
  Patrice Boivin
  Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)
 
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RE: session pga memory value is much higher than Sort_Area_Size

2001-05-30 Thread Yosi

I had the same problem. First, i realized that - it seems -
there are other things that will bump the PGA. For me it was
insert /*+ append */. However, after upgrading from 8.1.5 to
8.1.7 the problem went away.

Hope this helps, and your mileage may vary.

Good luck,

Yosi


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 Subject: session pga memory value is much higher than Sort_Area_Size
 
 
 We've set sort_area_size to 8M, but the session pga memory 
 usage shows much
 higher than 8M, in fact its about 176M. 
 
 The heap value for the shadow process also confirms the size 
 of the PGA
 area. 
 01A4 180496K read/write/exec [ heap ]
 
 I thought that the PGA size should not go beyond sort_area_size. 
 
 Are we missing anything here? 
 
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RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...

2001-05-30 Thread Yosi

Yeah, I think they've got a retention problem, since the money is
better outside, and consultants have a good idea of what they're
being billed for. But the internal resources are great, as are
their internal email lists.

Of course, now we've got much of their internal stuff on metalink -
if you can get access - and the odtug lists and oracle-l are right
up there too.

All in all, I liked working there very very much, and if they'd been
able to keep up with what the market was offering I never would have
left. And for those of us looking now, we know where the market is
going, and Oracle's salaries are getting more in line with everyone
else's anyway.

(Boy, am I rambling or what? I've got a migraine, the fiorinal didn't
do it's usual magic, and I really ought to go home.)




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 From: Hillman, Alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:08 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 Subject: RE: OT: RE: Fire your DBA's you don't need them anymore...
 
 
 Oracle charges for such guys 250-350 an hour and pay them 50-90K/year
 (15-20% bonus and 4 weeks of training per year). I would say 
 that Oracle DBA
 knowing what he or she is doing can make more money  in consulting. 
 
 Alex Hillman
 
 PS. It would be very useful  if US participants of this list 
 post their
 rates or salaries on www.realrates.com - it is fully 
 anonimous. Also there
 is very interesting contractors BBS
 
 -Original Message-
 Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:36 PM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Yosi,
 
 I interviewed for one of those jobs here in Boston, MA.  
 Although there
 was
 one VERY good individual in the bunch I was a little perplexed by the
 others. 
 Most were very junior and had not been in an outside shop 
 before, one was
 straight out of school and bootcamp and only one had done a 
 real recovery.
 It
 also hit me as strange that other than the smart guy, none of 
 them had ever
 created a database from scratch.  Thankfully I did not take the job.
 
 Dick Goulet
 
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 Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date:   5/25/2001 11:52 AM
 
 From experience, I have used consultants from Oracle.  The 
 1st one sent was
 right out of DBA school.  We sent him back after 1 week.  At 
 that time,
 Oracle
 didn't allow you to interview their DBA's.  According to 
 Oracle, they were
 all
 good.  The 2nd DBA Oracle sent had only NT experience, never 
 been on a Unix
 machine.  Ok, sent him back too.  By this time, we were about 
 to give up,
 then
 Oracle sent DBA #3 and she was sharp.  The moral of the 
 story, Oracle will
 send
 the juniors 1st b/c they save the good ones for the 3rd strike :)
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/25/01 03:01PM 
 I was once one of those superior i-dba consultants. I was pretty good,
 and as with this list, some of my colleagues were amazingly talented,
 knowledgable and great to work with. Others were, well, others.
 
 It's lots of fun to ridicule, disparage, deride, belittle, and mock
 Oracle Consulting, and don't even get me started about Oracle Support,
 and I do this all the time too, I just want to put in a good word
 for SOME of my old friends.
 
 Have a great weekend.
 
 Yosi
 
 
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  I've just spent most of today repairing damage left at a 
 site by some 
  of Oracle's 'superior' consultants!
  
  At 8:27 -0800 25/5/01, Gary Weber wrote:
  Far as their superior i-dba team, I sure hope those are 
 different 
  people from the ones you get on first line of Support...
  
  Cheers
  
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Re:RE:

2001-05-30 Thread dgoulet

Ours is not to wonder why, ours is just to do or die!!

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Date:   5/30/2001 7:02 AM

This person was actually allowed to teach.  Never ask why, yes that's a
super philosophy on life.

-Original Message-
Patrice J
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 8:31 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to
live.

: )

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when?
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 And Where.

 Terry

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RE: Script examples for NT. (yuk!)

2001-05-30 Thread gregory . t . norris

My suggestion would be to install cygwin 
(http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/).

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 Quick question..
 
 ALL of my experience has been on UNIX platforms... Recently, 
 I have been
 asked to work on an Oracle DB that runs on NT.. My scripting 
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 the NT world is weak at best.  So I am trying to compare ksh type
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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

Raid 5 can consume as much as 60% overhead for writes.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

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John, have you read Cary Millsap's paper on RAID 5?  www.hotsos.com I
believe. RAID 5 will require additional writes by DBWR which is going to be
huge overhead during a dataload.

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Peter McLarty wrote
Are you running RAID and if so what configuration. (Not RAID 5 I hope)

Interesting. I am posting an excerpt from Doc 97597.1 Optimising Raid
performance for Oracle RDBMS on NT

RAID 5 is useful for Oracle datafiles but not for redo log files or rollback
segments which are sequentially accessed. Datafiles belonging to the
temporary tablespace are not suitable for a RAID 5 device. More benefits
will be seen in situations where reads predominate over writes. 

I know that in this instance it is a data load that is being discussed but
presumably once the data is loaded then it will be read more than once.

Certainly the tone of the note suggests that raid 5 is not a definite no-no
rather a 'be cautious as to which files are placed where'. It is my belief
that often a single raid level is set for all files rather than a mix of
raid 1 and raid 5 as appropriate.

Peter, I fully agree that the level of memory utilised here is totally
insufficient and is very likely to be the constraining factor in this case.

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RE: Problems with CharArrayType after upgrade from 7.3.4 to 8.1.7

2001-05-30 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

Try changing to VARCHAR2(31) instead of VARCHAR(31). Although I know there
is no difference in varchar and varchar2 definition.

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OT: Effective Living

2001-05-30 Thread Diana_Duncan


Isn't that sort of like Taoism?  Accept your lot, there must be good in it
somewhere...

Also, it seems to be the basis of many major religions to essentially never
ask why.  So, I guess it's a pretty popular philosophy.

(Oh no, I feel a discourse by Eric coming on...)

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This person was actually allowed to teach.  Never ask why, yes that's a
super philosophy on life.

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That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to
live.

: )

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Re: Missing DDL?

2001-05-30 Thread A. Bardeen

Sean,

The indexfile parameter shows only the create table
statements (REM'd out) and the additional indexes (i.e
not indexes used to enforce PK constraints).

To see all the DDL, use the SHOW=Y parameter along
with LOG=filename.

HTH,

-- Anita

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 be able to find the DDL for the tablespaces TOOLS,
 USERS and some others but
 can't.  OK, so there are no tables created in them
 but I'm puzzled now as to
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Re: Analyze table and locking

2001-05-30 Thread Jeremiah Wilton

I have used compute statistics since version 7.3.2 up through 8.1.6, and never
had it hold a table lock for the duration of the analyze.  I don't know where
people are getting the idea that compute statistics holds a lock and estimate
doesn't.  That just doesn't make sense.  Why would compute need a lock?  Are
you saying I can estimate sample 99 percent, and get what amounts to a compute
and avoid the supposed lock?  Does that make any sense?  No.

Validate structure cascade holds a lock.  The most the others do is grab some
resource [very] briefly at the end to update the dictionary.  People claiming
that compute holds a lock, please post documentation to support that statement.

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 Yeah If you use compute statistics your table get locked and will take long
 time, But If you use  estimate statistics it will be fast But not as
 accurate as before. Better to analyze at nights by setting time.

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 objects ??

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OEM Book Recommendation

2001-05-30 Thread Rahul Dandekar

DBAs,

As a keyboard lover, hate to do this. But I need to study OEM.
Any good Books / URLs / DOCs / PDFs

Thanks in advance,

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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

Redo generation will not change.  Just the archiving process, which on
improperly laid out file system can be very painful process.


Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

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Why putting DB in noarchivelog will avoid redo generation? There will be no
archiving, but redo will continue to be generated.

Alex Hillman

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Azhar,

Just two thoughts off the top of my head to improve loading of records:
1.  Put database in noarchivelog mode to avoid redo generation (if 
possible).
2.  Drop all indexes on target tables (if possible), then load data, then 
recreate all indexes on target tables.

Jim

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 HI ALL,
 We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 
bytes.
 We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .
 We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents 
enough
 for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
 adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
 Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.
 
 The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
 snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs RAM
 .
 SGA figures in M :
 NAME VALUE
  -
 Fixed Size.0676384
 Variable Size239.02734
 Database Buffers   39.0625
 Redo Buffers 7.8203125
  -
 sum  285.97779
 ( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
 Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
 Any ideas.
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Re: _sqlexec_progression_cost

2001-05-30 Thread Jeremiah Wilton

I am using this parameter on 8.1.6.2 for the same bug: 1210242: CURSORS NOT
SHARED WHEN TIMED_STATISTICS=TRUE DESPITE FIX FOR BUG 918002.

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 Anybody have experience setting this parameter? It references a bug
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RE: Creating a sorted table

2001-05-30 Thread Diana_Duncan


Sure, and thanks.  I appreciate the corrections, as one problem with doing
this for a while is the aggregation of useless and no longer true facts,
which I'm finding I have more and more of.  They feel like barnacles.  :)

I've finally decided to go get my OCP, which I hope will help scrape some
of the buggers off.  This list always helps, too.

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Diana,

You might wanna check out www.kx.com   Those guys have
a lightning rocket of a dbms, and it is based, in part,
on storing data in search/sort-dependent order. (There is
a bunch of background data on the site itself.)

In any case, reading up on other dbms technologies has
a place in any DBAs self-education. Else, we're just
sitting around quoting anecdotes to one another!

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Ross

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||
|| This is totally NOT accurate.
||
|| Yes there are performance gains storing index data ordered.
|| Perhaps great
|| on range scans.  Yes you can reorder tables and indexes.
||
|| Walking on water and developing software from a
|| specification are easy if
|| both are frozen.
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||
|| Whyever would you want data inserted in order?  There is no
|| guarantee that
|| Oracle will actually store the records in order, there is
|| no performance
|| gain, and you can always retrieve the records in order by
|| using an order by
|| statement -- if you really need ordered data, you could use a
|| index-organized table with all of your columns, with the
|| date as the first
|| column.  But methinks this would be dangerous for a heavy transaction
|| table.  (Gurus, please correct me if I'm wrong here)
||
|| However, if you are still keen, you could do this through a
|| PL/SQL block,
|| something like the following:
||
|| declare
||  cursor get_data is
||   select col1, col2, col3, ...
||   from unordered_table
||   order by whatever;
|| begin
||  for dataRec in get_data loop
||   insert into ordered_table (col1, col2, col3, ...)
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Re: Problems with CharArrayType after upgrade from 7.3.4 to 8.1.7.1

2001-05-30 Thread Diana_Duncan


Cherie, I have no idea if this could be the case, but I noticed that the
type is based on the datatype VARCHAR, not VARCHAR2.  According to the
docs, this shouldn't make a difference, but they've been warning since the
introduction of VARCHAR2 that they may do something different with VARCHAR
at some point in the future, so it's best not to use it.  From the PL/SQL
manual:

===

VARCHAR2 Subtypes


The VARCHAR2 subtypes below have the same range of values as their base
type. For example, VARCHAR is just another name for VARCHAR2.
 STRING
 VARCHAR


You can use these subtypes for compatibility with ANSI/ISO and IBM types.


Note: Currently, VARCHAR is synonymous with VARCHAR2. However, in future
releases of PL/SQL, to accommodate emerging SQL standards, VARCHAR might
become a separate datatype with different comparison semantics. So, it is a
good idea to use VARCHAR2 rather than VARCHAR.
===


Again, I don't see how that could affect the code...just a shot in the
dark.

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After upgrading from Enterprise Edition 7.3.4 to 8.1.7.1 on Sun Solaris
2.6, we are
having problems executing a procedure with CharArrayType as shown below.
We don't get any error message.  The package simply does not return any
rows
when there are rows out there that should be returned.

The developer is trying to turn on some debug but I thought I would also
ask if anyone sees anything that is a no-no now under 8.1.7.1.   Is there
something
that I need to do in order to migrate this code that wasn't done
automatically?

CREATE OR REPLACE PACKAGE CCFILECD AS

TYPE NumArrayType IS TABLE OF NUMBER
 INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;

TYPE CharArrayType IS TABLE OF VARCHAR(31)
 INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;

PROCEDURE GETFILECODES(file_code   OUT CharArrayType,
   file_prefixOUT CharArrayType,
   start_pos  OUT NumArrayType,
   length OUT NumArrayType,
   num_lines_to_skip OUT NumArrayType,
   record_length  OUT NumArrayType,
   cntry_cd_proc  OUT NumArrayType,
   curr_cd_proc   OUT NumArrayType,
   count  OUT NUMBER);

END CCFILECD;

Thanks for any advice you can give,

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RE: connect on oracle database

2001-05-30 Thread PHU,JULIA (HP-Sunnyvale,ex2)

Either MS ODBC or Oracle driver can do the connectivity. I found out that MS
ODBC is more user-friendly.

Just my $0.02.




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Hish,

Crack out some manuals double quick - get some RDBMS training, and learn a
little about what you are playing with here!

Sybase and Informix are not actually applications - they are Relational
Database Management Systems (RDBMSs) that are competitors to Oracle.

To answer the question though - I think - you can probably connect to these
databases through some kind of ODBC connectivity - or a Gateway product -
though I have never done this..

HTH

Mark

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hi DBA Masters:
If i have any application (sybase / informex) not oracle tools make it.
how to connect from this application on the oracle database??
thank you
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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Ron Rogers

Indeses are not critical for the application to run..It just helps them run faster at 
times. You could build you indexes with  the no logging or unrecoverable option 
and that will save on the archivelog creation. Just be sure to take a backup after the 
indexes are rebuilt because you will not have archived the index info in archivelogs 
for recovery. I do it all the time for my files that have a large data load each day 
and it saves log writing time and log space.
ROR mª¿ªm

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Why putting DB in noarchivelog will avoid redo generation? There will be no
archiving, but redo will continue to be generated.

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Azhar,

Just two thoughts off the top of my head to improve loading of records:
1.  Put database in noarchivelog mode to avoid redo generation (if 
possible).
2.  Drop all indexes on target tables (if possible), then load data, then 
recreate all indexes on target tables.

Jim

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 HI ALL,
 We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 
bytes.
 We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .
 We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents 
enough
 for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
 adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
 Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.
 
 The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
 snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs RAM
 .
 SGA figures in M :
 NAME VALUE
  -
 Fixed Size.0676384
 Variable Size239.02734
 Database Buffers   39.0625
 Redo Buffers 7.8203125
  -
 sum  285.97779
 ( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
 Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
 Any ideas.
 TIA
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Re: Is DBMS_OBFUSCATION free in Enterprise Edition?

2001-05-30 Thread Diana_Duncan


It's free.

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We have Enterprise Edition 8.1.7.1 on Sun Solaris 2.6.

My manager needs a definitive answer.   Is DBMS_OBFUSCATION
free with this version of Enterprise Edition server or is it part of an
extra-cost add-on.

All definitive answers welcome. I have a call in to Oracle but they
have not yet responded.  My manager wants to know today.

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Re: Missing DDL?

2001-05-30 Thread Rachel Carmichael

And then prepare to go bleary eyed reading it :)

while an indexfile produces a runnable sql text, show=y does not.

Lines are wrapped in the middle of words,  appear everywhere.

But it will get you what you want to see

Rachel



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Sean,

The indexfile parameter shows only the create table
statements (REM'd out) and the additional indexes (i.e
not indexes used to enforce PK constraints).

To see all the DDL, use the SHOW=Y parameter along
with LOG=filename.

HTH,

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OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?

2001-05-30 Thread Gary Weber

Halo,

Windoz 2000/SQL Server 2000

Bringing an axuliary MS SQL db online. Trying to setup archiving. Am I
reading documentation right, SQL does NOT automatically archive transaction
log? This process must be setup via backup routine, which truncates the log
upon completion?

Lemme try some logic:

Oracle's redo logs = MS transaction log(s)
Oracle's archived logs = ?


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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Jim Hawkins

Sorry - that's what I meant.  No archive log generation.  NOT no redo log 
generation.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Is it Friday yet?

Jim


 Why putting DB in noarchivelog will avoid redo generation? There will be 
no
 archiving, but redo will continue to be generated.
 
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 Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 10:21 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
 Azhar,
 
 Just two thoughts off the top of my head to improve loading of records:
 1.  Put database in noarchivelog mode to avoid redo generation (if 
 possible).
 2.  Drop all indexes on target tables (if possible), then load data, then 
 recreate all indexes on target tables.
 
 Jim
 
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 600 Pearl Drive
 St. Louis, MO  633376
 9636) 474-7832
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  HI ALL,
  We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150 
 bytes.
  We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and 
bindsize=845 .
  We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents 
 enough
  for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
  adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
  Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.
  
  The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
  snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs 
RAM
  .
  SGA figures in M :
  NAME VALUE
   -
  Fixed Size.0676384
  Variable Size239.02734
  Database Buffers   39.0625
  Redo Buffers 7.8203125
   -
  sum  285.97779
  ( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
  Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
  Any ideas.
  TIA
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RE: PL/SQL Error

2001-05-30 Thread Jamadagni, Rajendra

David,

What I'd want to see is the actual call you are making in the ASP code. Your
package is fine, the problem is with the variables (you have defined in the
ASP code), that are used when this procedure is being called.

If you can ensure that the variables have been declared as following you
should be okay ... otherwise Oracle is right ...

declare
 var1 course.course_bulletin.tbl_call_no;
 var2 course.course_bulletin.tbl_schl_cd;
 var3 course.course_bulletin.tbl_dept_cd;
begin
  course.course_bulletin(i_ccyy, var1, var2, var3);
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RE: multiple versions of SQLPlus.exe [now evolved to: multiple versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

It is a good point that it's a string, I actually knew that, but it still
doesn't explain why i can't get it to work. Not that it's that big of a
deal.  I'll try again, no harm in that.
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versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]


If under HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE you have one or multiple
folders, like:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/HOME0
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/HOME1


then you have to create TNS_ADMIN string value (not key) in each of those
folders pointing to your master tnsnames.ora file.

Works for me.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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 On NT 4 with Developer 6i and Oracle 816/817 I have never been able to get
 Oracle db to work off of the tns_admin key.  Only forms would work off of
 the tns_admin, and without that key forms would not connect to the dbs.
 Just thought I would mention that.
 Kev

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 You CAN actually set the TNS_ADMIN variable in the registry under
 HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE/SOFTWARE/ORACLE/ - It may not be there at first, all
you
 need to do is create a new key called TNS_ADMIN with a value of the path
 to your master tnsnames.ora file.

 HTH

 Mark

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 versions of tnsnames.ora in NT/W2K]


 In Unix, one can create links to a master by $ ls -s some master
 tnsnames.ora some other location/file.
 (I know, I could, and probably should, use the TNS_ADMIN environmental
 variable instead.)

 There seems to be no equivalent of this in NT though.  Creating a
shortcut
 doesn't seem to work.  Copying files around seems primitive at best.  Am I
 missing something?  [OK, OK!  I'll reform and use the environmental
 variable!]

 -Don Granaman
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  Dave,
 
  It seems to me that you are having a problem reading the proper
 TNSNAMES.ORA for
 
  the different DBs.  What I would do in your situation is to search for
all
  TNSNAMES.ORA files in your PC, since you have products installed in more
 than
  one home and more than one version you should have multiple.  Edit them
 and see
  which ones contain the entries that you need, in one or more of them
some
  entries will be missing, what you can do is copy/paste the missing
 entries, once
 
  you have the file you want then copy it to all the different Homes and
 you
  should be able to connect to the different DB's.
 [... snip ...]

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RE: PL/SQL Error

2001-05-30 Thread Jack C. Applewhite

David,

How are you calling this procedure?  Into what structures are you receiving
the PL/SQL Out Arguments, which are PL/SQL tables?  I'll bet that's your
problem.

Show us the code that calls this procedure and handles the output.

BTW, if you checked the speeling of your PL/SQL as well as you did your
message, there may be even more problems.   ;-)

Jack


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Hi all

Can someone help me out here? I am getting this error when I try to run this
PL/SQL code from an ASP page.
The error manual just says to check speeling. I DID. Is there anything I am
missing?  The DB is V7.3  I am trying to
return the resultset to the page.

PLS-00306: wrong number or types of arguments in call to 'COURSE_SELECT'

Here is the PL/SQL code

create or replace package course.course_bulletin is
TYPE tbl_call_no IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.call_no%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_schl_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.schl_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_dept_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.dept_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;

  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no,
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd,
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd);

end;

create or replace package body course.course_bulletin as

  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no,
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd,
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd) IS
   CURSOR c1 is
   SELECT call_no,schl_cd,dept_cd
FROM COURSE.cmcmcrst
   WHERE ccyy = i_ccyy
   AND term_cd = '2'
   AND instrl_cd = '0';

  crscount NUMBER DEFAULT 1;

  BEGIN
  FOR c IN c1 LOOP
o_call_no(crscount) := c.call_no;
o_schl_cd(crscount) := c.schl_cd;
o_dept_cd(crscount) := c.dept_cd;
crscount := crscount + 1;
  END LOOP;
  END;
end;

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RE: PL/SQL Error

2001-05-30 Thread Bartolo, David

Here is the ASP code

ccyy = 2001

set cn = server.CreateObject(adodb.connection)
set cmd = server.CreateObject(adodb.command)
set rs = server.CreateObject(adodb.recordset)

cn.ConnectionTimeout = 120
cn.CommandTimeout=30
cn.ConnectionString=DSN=db;UID=user;Password=pwd
cn.Open

cmd.ActiveConnection = cn
cmd.CommandText = {call course.course_bulletin.course_select({resultset
1, o_call_no,

o_schl_cd, o_dept_cd})}
cmd.CommandType=adCmdText

cmd.Parameters.Append cmd.CreateParameter(i_ccyy, adInteger, adParamInput,
, clng(ccyy))
set rs.Source = cmd
rs.Open

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I think the error is in the call to the procedure, not in the procedure
itself -- the procedure looks fine at a glance.  Could you post the ASP
code that makes the call?

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Hi all

Can someone help me out here? I am getting this error when I try to run
this
PL/SQL code from an ASP page.
The error manual just says to check speeling. I DID. Is there anything I am
missing?  The DB is V7.3  I am trying to
return the resultset to the page.

PLS-00306: wrong number or types of arguments in call to 'COURSE_SELECT'

Here is the PL/SQL code

create or replace package course.course_bulletin is
TYPE tbl_call_no IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.call_no%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_schl_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.schl_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_dept_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.dept_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;

  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no,
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd,
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd);

end;

create or replace package body course.course_bulletin as

  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no,
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd,
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd) IS
   CURSOR c1 is
   SELECT call_no,schl_cd,dept_cd
FROM COURSE.cmcmcrst
   WHERE ccyy = i_ccyy
   AND term_cd = '2'
   AND instrl_cd = '0';

  crscount NUMBER DEFAULT 1;

  BEGIN
  FOR c IN c1 LOOP
o_call_no(crscount) := c.call_no;
o_schl_cd(crscount) := c.schl_cd;
o_dept_cd(crscount) := c.dept_cd;
crscount := crscount + 1;
  END LOOP;
  END;
end;

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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

Since Data is being loaded in development environment. that is why we have
128 meg ram. (Regarding RAM i have no other choice) i have the NT
performance monitor and it shows that it is not using swap heavily.

NT swaps heavily with 128Mb ram running office, you must have some sort of
magical system to run oracle with such a large table on it.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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Actually we have to



Since Data is being loaded in development environment. that is why we have
128 meg ram. (Regarding RAM i have no other choice) i have the NT
performance monitor and it shows that it is not using swap heavily.
Currently disk configuration is not RAID . however we have  no disk limit
problem. i have autoexetended datafiles.
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Okay fill us in why would you try and inane thing like that on only 128MB
RAM. NT would be barely running on that without getting your instance up. I

am not that good yet at calculating what amount of RAM you need for a given

SGA but I am thinking that you are running in swap

What is the disk configuration.

Are you running RAID and if so what configuration. (Not RAID 5 I hope)

Can you get this system up to 512MB at least.

With this and a whole lot more you will get some better answers

Peter
Trainee Oracle DBA

At 01:19 AM 30/05/2001 -0800, you wrote:

HI ALL,
We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of 150
bytes.
We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and bindsize=845 .
We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8 extents
enough
for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead. We
adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.

The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed like
snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128 megs RAM
.
SGA figures in M :
NAME VALUE
 -
Fixed Size.0676384
Variable Size239.02734
Database Buffers   39.0625
Redo Buffers 7.8203125
  -
sum  285.97779
( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile). .
Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
Any ideas.
TIA
Azhar Siddiq,
DBA
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RE: Build an exact copy of a database using export / import

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Lange

We use Clones of databases all the time.   Its much faster than the
Export/import run.   We simply take the DB down, copy the data files to a
new server in the same file layouts (i.e. ... same directory tree), copy
over and change the init file for the new DB name, and bring it up.  Then
you have to alter the global name.  Its a relatively simple process.

If there are tablespaces that were in the original one that you do not want
over then, at this point, drop any associated objects and drop the
tablespaces.

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Well, depending on the size of the db and some other network stuff, I do the
following.  I shut down the real db, copy all of the data files,
controlfiles and init file to a machine with Oracle on it.  Then you can
create the service (NT), alter any of the datafiles if necessary (on
different logical drive) then you can just bring that bad boy up.  Then I
just give it a different alias, works for me.
However, what do you mean it creates new tablespaces, I have never
seen
that happen, it just fails miserably for me if the tablespaces don't exist.
You could do the full export, create a new user on the new machine and grant
become  any user to the new user.  I believe that then the import would
work, I've done it before.  Sorry I don't have more, brain is still a littel
soft from the weekend.
Kev

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When I build a new test database I create the database and run all the
required Oracle scripts.  Then I do a full import of a production export.
This works pretty well but I miss some of the grants and The full import
wants to create tablespaces that I may or may not want created.  I get a lot
of errors on system objects.  Does anyone have the proper steps to create an
exact copy of a production database using export / import?

Thanks!
Ron Smith
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OT RE: Effective Living

2001-05-30 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

Actually, I think following the Tao has more to do with being true, i.e.
being who you are, which also naturally meshes with where nature is heading.
Similar to other religions that tell you that if you follow certain
precepts, you will be purer and therefore will be closer to heaven, God,
whatever.  Otherwise you are living in sin, which actually means off the
mark, like an arrow that misses its target.

Asking why is good if it brings back to your self, but if you are asking why
and speculating ad nauseam you are off on a tangent.  Like that inner
chatter we sometimes hear in our heads.

That instructor was Austrian, by the way, about fifty to fifty-five years
old when I took that course, which was over ten years ago.  So perhaps he
went through WW2 when he was a child, who knows.  I am also biased, being
son of two psychologists, I don't like social workers all that much
precisely because they don't like to take societal context into account.
Mind you a lot of psychologists and psychiatrists do the same thing, ignore
the context and just try to make the better better adjusted - ha ha

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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Isn't that sort of like Taoism?  Accept your lot, there must be good
in it
somewhere...

Also, it seems to be the basis of many major religions to
essentially never
ask why.  So, I guess it's a pretty popular philosophy.

(Oh no, I feel a discourse by Eric coming on...)

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This person was actually allowed to teach.  Never ask why, yes
that's a
super philosophy on life.

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That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at
Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone
NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know
how to
live.

: )

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


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   when?
   But, more important, WHY???

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And Where.
   
Terry
   
Boivin, Patrice J wrote:
   
 When and how

 Patrice Boivin
 Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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OT (communities of practice) listserv - forum facilitation FAQ

2001-05-30 Thread Eric D. Pierce

Bruce, Jared  folks,

See below for the info I was looking for yesterday (I gave
you the wrong site, sorry).

regards,
ep

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http://www.co-i-l.com/coil/knowledge-garden/vcfaq/facfaq1.shtml

version 0.9
   FAQ Editor: George Pór

 About this FAQ
 When and why forums have to be facilitated?
 What are the main roles and responsibilities in
 facilitating forums?
 System Administrator
 Account Administrator
 Forum Convener
 Community Architect
 Moderator
 Content Facilitator
 Cybrarian



 About this FAQ

 Most of the roles and responsibilities
 described in this FAQ are part of a new kind
 of work with no ready-made job-descriptions.

 The responses are definitely not definitive;
 they will change as our understanding of the
 requirements for effectively facilitating virtual
 communities will deepen through the feedback
 from, and collaboration with facilitators
 reading and contributing to this FAQ.

 When and why forums have to be facilitated?

 Facilitate = make easy, promote, help forward
 action or result. (Oxford Dictionary)

 Online facilitators or hosts are the primary
 enablers of any virtual community. It is their
 enthusiasm and attention to the participants
 challenges in communicating and collaborating
 in cyberspace, that can make or brake
 fledgling online communities. Without their
 efforts it is difficult to build momentum,
 maintain the flow and generate the activity that
 will help to ensure return visits.
   (Denham Grey)

 Developing competence in facilitating the
 electronic meeting of minds that takes place in
 forums is a must in companies that want to turn
 the web tools and methods of coordination into
 a strategic advantage to achieve breakthrough
 results.

 The number of required facilitative functions
 is raising along the following continuum:

  Communities of interest (hobby groups) --
  communities of practice (professional communities) --
  communities of commitment (teams, taskforces, work groups).

 What are the main roles and
 responsibilities in facilitating
 forums?

 Responsibilities outlined under the following roles
 can be assumed by one or a few individuals in
 small virtual communities.

 In larger communities, they are divided among the
 participants of the facilitation team.

  System Administrator

 Participates in the administration of the server
 Contributes suggestions and implements
 software-related measures for maximizing uptime
 Maintains software integrity and forum security
 Provides other participants of the facilitation
 team and users with technical support

  Account Administrator

 Implements access privileges
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RE: backspace in Oracle.

2001-05-30 Thread Mohan, Ross

Kim, 

Did you hear the one about the NT box
that ran for SEVEN YEARS, playing solitaire?

Yea, me neither, but it's a good story, just
like the Novell one. 

:)


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RE: Your views on Quest - Shareplex

2001-05-30 Thread Jacques Kilchoer
Title: RE: Your views on Quest - Shareplex





 -Original Message-
 From: MacGregor, Ian A. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 
 We are looking into the product as well, but have yet to even 
 toy with the product. There is a no chained rows 
 restriction.


I'm not sure what that statement means. Shareplex will replicate a table that has chained rows.


 Shareplex does not replicate transactions on 
 sys objects. A table dropped on one side will not be 
 dropped on the other. It apparently will replicate truncates 
 however. It's one thing to read the logs and to find the 
 time when a truncate caused writes to the data dictionary, 
 but quite another to reconstruct the statement.


Statement from a developer of Shareplex:
Interesting statement as this is how we replicate DML. Providing functionality for DDL is not at all impossible for us. It is just one of the things on the list of enhancements that we plan for SharePlex, the priority of which is dependent on the market.


Let me relate my personal experience working with Shareplex (BEFORE I was an employee with Quest Software). At a previous company we were looking for a replication tool at a company that did payroll taxes. There were large batch loads (bank records) every night, but especially at the end of each quarter and at the end of the year. We wanted to ensure that the replication tool we chose would be fast enough to keep up with the large data loads. When we tested Oracle Replication and Quest Shareplex, we found that Shareplex was significantly faster. I personally argued against it initially for some of the reasons posters here have mentioned (e.g. it uses unsupported means to accomplish its goal) but eventually we implemented Shareplex and were satisfied with the result. There can be some manual effort involved in reconciliation of discrepancies but we found that effort to be minor. Another factor that influenced our decision is that we were intending to use Shareplex for Oracle in conjunction with Shareplex FS to replicate datafiles created on the HP-UX server.

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Re: PL/SQL Error

2001-05-30 Thread Diana_Duncan


I think the error is in the call to the procedure, not in the procedure
itself -- the procedure looks fine at a glance.  Could you post the ASP
code that makes the call?

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Hi all

Can someone help me out here? I am getting this error when I try to run
this
PL/SQL code from an ASP page.
The error manual just says to check speeling. I DID. Is there anything I am
missing?  The DB is V7.3  I am trying to
return the resultset to the page.

PLS-00306: wrong number or types of arguments in call to 'COURSE_SELECT'

Here is the PL/SQL code

create or replace package course.course_bulletin is
TYPE tbl_call_no IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.call_no%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_schl_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.schl_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;
TYPE tbl_dept_cd IS TABLE of cmcmcrst.dept_cd%type
INDEX BY BINARY_INTEGER;

  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no,
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd,
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd);

end;

create or replace package body course.course_bulletin as

  PROCEDURE course_select(i_ccyy IN NUMBER, o_call_no OUT tbl_call_no,
o_schl_cd OUT tbl_schl_cd,
o_dept_cd OUT tbl_dept_cd) IS
   CURSOR c1 is
   SELECT call_no,schl_cd,dept_cd
FROM COURSE.cmcmcrst
   WHERE ccyy = i_ccyy
   AND term_cd = '2'
   AND instrl_cd = '0';

  crscount NUMBER DEFAULT 1;

  BEGIN
  FOR c IN c1 LOOP
o_call_no(crscount) := c.call_no;
o_schl_cd(crscount) := c.schl_cd;
o_dept_cd(crscount) := c.dept_cd;
crscount := crscount + 1;
  END LOOP;
  END;
end;

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RE: random equipment seen ???/ RE: V$SESSION.OSUSER returns NT-D

2001-05-30 Thread Eric D. Pierce

http://www.cfainc.org/breeds/profiles/articles/maine.html

---excerpt---

   The Maine Coon Standard

   The Maine Coon Cat is a massive, broad chested cat with a long
   rectangular body and the fur is long and flowing. The males
   average around 12 to 15 pounds, with some going 20 pounds or more.
   The females are smaller, averaging 9 to 12 pounds. 

...

   The Maine Coon is slow to mature, often not reaching full
   development until three to four years of age. 

...

   The Maine Coon is a gentle, loyal breed. They make wonderful
   family pets and get along well with children and dogs. Depending
   on the breed of dog, the Maine Coon can be bigger than Fido. They
   are a vocal breed, with a variety of meows, trills and chirps to
   make up their vocabularies. They are sociable and like to help
   their owners with any project, especially when the owner is
   reading or working on the crossword puzzle.  

   Since 1976, the Maine Coon Cat has been a rising star in the
   competitive reaches of the cat fancy. This popular breed of the
   late 19th century drifted into obscurity and imagined extinction
   well into the 1950s. Those of us who now work with and breed the
   Maine Coon owe a tremendous THANK YOU to those who worked and
   fought for recognition and the championship status we enjoy today.
   As any exhibitor can tell you, spectators can often be seen
   watching the Maine Coons being judged, exclaiming at the size, and
   even saying they have one or two like them at home - today, they
   probably do. The Maine Coon is the second most popular cat in CFA
   as seen by the numbers of kittens registered. America's first show
   cat is back, bigger and better than ever.  

---end---

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 mainekoon cats.  Almost as big as dogs ...

...

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RE: Script examples for NT. (yuk!)

2001-05-30 Thread Christopher Spence

You can download CyGWin from Redhat for free that will give you a very nice
cloned shell of linux environment, full compatable with Bash/Sh scripting.

Wish i could find a ksh shell for it, but it has ALOT of the tools normally
available with Unix.  ps, kill, grep, tail, head, piping, shell scripts.

I will generally write scripts in it and move it to unix with no
compatibility problems.

Exact url: http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/

There are many other unix clones for NT, some are great, some are simily a
directory with clone commands in it.

Walking on water and developing software from a specification are easy if
both are frozen.

Christopher R. Spence
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Quick question..

ALL of my experience has been on UNIX platforms... Recently, I have been
asked to work on an Oracle DB that runs on NT.. My scripting capability in
the NT world is weak at best.  So I am trying to compare ksh type
activities with the NT world. SO I was wondering if any of you would mind
sharing a couple of NT type scripts with me.. For example-setting variables
to the return of a SQL statement to be used in the shell,etc...

Any help would be appreciated..

TIA

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Re: OEM Book Recommendation

2001-05-30 Thread K Gopalakrishnan

Rahul !

I have not seen any **books** on OEM. But you can
check in to OLN (!!) Oracle Learning Network and there
are some classes on OEM. 



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Have a nice day !!

Best Regards,
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Bangalore, INDIA.

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Re: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread George Schlossnagle

No to be overly pedantic, but RAID5 does not change the number of write()
calls made by DBWR.  It will change the number of disk operations done by
your hardware controller or your software raid drivers, but that's slightly
different.

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 Raid 5 can consume as much as 60% overhead for writes.

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 John, have you read Cary Millsap's paper on RAID 5?  www.hotsos.com I
 believe. RAID 5 will require additional writes by DBWR which is going to
be
 huge overhead during a dataload.

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 Peter McLarty wrote
 Are you running RAID and if so what configuration. (Not RAID 5 I hope)

 Interesting. I am posting an excerpt from Doc 97597.1 Optimising Raid
 performance for Oracle RDBMS on NT

 RAID 5 is useful for Oracle datafiles but not for redo log files or
rollback
 segments which are sequentially accessed. Datafiles belonging to the
 temporary tablespace are not suitable for a RAID 5 device. More benefits
 will be seen in situations where reads predominate over writes.

 I know that in this instance it is a data load that is being discussed but
 presumably once the data is loaded then it will be read more than once.

 Certainly the tone of the note suggests that raid 5 is not a definite
no-no
 rather a 'be cautious as to which files are placed where'. It is my belief
 that often a single raid level is set for all files rather than a mix of
 raid 1 and raid 5 as appropriate.

 Peter, I fully agree that the level of memory utilised here is totally
 insufficient and is very likely to be the constraining factor in this
case.

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RE: Effective Living

2001-05-30 Thread Kevin Kostyszyn

Yeah, but just because something is popular doesn't meen it is good. If we
all lived our lives that way everyday I am not so sure we would get much
accomplished?

Oh no, the Database is down!!
Why?
I don't know, who cares.
hehehe

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Isn't that sort of like Taoism?  Accept your lot, there must be good in it
somewhere...

Also, it seems to be the basis of many major religions to essentially never
ask why.  So, I guess it's a pretty popular philosophy.

(Oh no, I feel a discourse by Eric coming on...)

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This person was actually allowed to teach.  Never ask why, yes that's a
super philosophy on life.

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That's a laugh, I went to a continuing education seminar once at Carleton
University, in Ottawa.

The seminar was called Effective Living.

The teacher was a social worker, and he emphatically told everyone NEVER to
ask why, just adapt to life and keep moving...

I had unreconcilable disagreements with him, I guess I don't know how to
live.

: )

Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)


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   But, more important, WHY???

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And Where.
   
Terry
   
Boivin, Patrice J wrote:
   
 When and how

 Patrice Boivin
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RE: Performance tuning

2001-05-30 Thread Boivin, Patrice J

I don't know what is causing this, but I would keep an eye on physical
memory available vs. commit charge in Task Manager, I strongly recommend
your commit charge never exceed your physical memory.

I found that Oracle sometimes refuses to even start services when it runs
out of physical memory, it doesn't like virtual memory very much.  Shrinking
the size of your SGA is preferable to exceeding the available physical
memory, in my opinion.  Keep in mind session memory space in your
calculations, and the other programs you may be running on your machine.

I recommend you stop all the services (in Services applet) that you dare
stop, to lighten the load.

In the virtual memory settings, allocate the amount you want, but try to
avoid a range of values - when initial and max size values are different NT
keeps polling the pagefile and memory statistics to figure out if the
pagefile should grow or shrink.  Better to do that manually up front,
allocate at set amount.  NT then stops doing extra work regarding memory
allocation.

Every little bit helps.

I haven't used SQL*Loader, so I can't say much about that, except... when
you start loading those first few rows, what does Commit Charge look like in
Task Manager?  Is it growing?  If it is, notice how slowly NT does this.  It
can't be helped.  If commit charge approaches physical memory available, you
will hit a ceiling I think.  Then things may well slow down to a crawl.

Is there a buffer size you can set for SQL*Loader?  I always set my exp
buffer size to 100 to speed it up.  Maybe you can do the same for
SQL*Loader.  That must use more memory though.

Can you commit every few records?  Could it be every 10 rows? Would it be
better not to commit too often?

As mentioned before, RAID 5 will prove slower than simple disk or RAID 01 or
RAID 10.

Do you have many indexes on the tables you are filling up?  You may want to
drop them and re-create them once the load is finished.

This may sound silly but... do you have a virus checking program running on
your server?  Try to exclude the oradata directories from it.

Just some ideas.  That's what I would check first.

If your RBS segments filled up, you would see an error somewhere, it seems
to me.  Is TEMP filling up?  You never know.

Oh another probably silly thing - if you are not using SCSI, download
DMACheck from microsoft and test whether your DMA is turned on.  That would
speed up your disk by 40% or more.  Servers use SCSI disks normally though,
but sometimes people install Oracle on PCs or workstations with IDE drives.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
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HI ALL,
We have to load almost 3 millions records of average row size of
150
bytes.
We are importing data using sqloader with ROWS=4000 and
bindsize=845 .
We have adjusted the rollback segment to almost  10 m with 8
extents
enough
for single transaction size and considering 30% rollback overhead.
We
adjusted the OPTIMAL TO 10 M to have avoid rollback extension
Rollback segment, databuffer cache have hit ratio of 100%.

The loading was fast only for first 10 commits but then it slowed
like
snail. LOADING TOOK 22 hours in the first run on ORACLE8i NT4 128
megs RAM
.
SGA figures in M :
NAME VALUE
 -
Fixed Size.0676384
Variable Size239.02734
Database Buffers   39.0625
Redo Buffers 7.8203125
  -
sum  285.97779
( we can't use direct path due to functions in sqlldr controlfile).
.
Couldn't figure out the bottleneck yet.
Any ideas.
TIA
Azhar Siddiq,
DBA
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Re: OT: Archiving not possible with SQL Server?

2001-05-30 Thread Jared Still


And thus you discover the inane mechanism that SQL Server
inherited from Sybase, by which both try to do concurrency.

Guess what happens when a long running transaction marks
the log near the end, and not too long afterward the log
needs truncated?

If memory serves, ( hasn't worked too well lately :) the database
will hang.  It may just truncate back to the mark, and start from
there, but you always have the possibility of another long
transaction starting.

Can't remember the details, but what I do remember clearly
is that it is a process that has to be closely watched, and I
didn't particularly care for the way it worked.

Jared


On Wednesday 30 May 2001 11:41, Gary Weber wrote:
 Halo,

 Windoz 2000/SQL Server 2000

 Bringing an axuliary MS SQL db online. Trying to setup archiving. Am I
 reading documentation right, SQL does NOT automatically archive transaction
 log? This process must be setup via backup routine, which truncates the log
 upon completion?

 Lemme try some logic:

 Oracle's redo logs = MS transaction log(s)
 Oracle's archived logs = ?


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