RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
So, what was your reason for taking the OCM exam Tanel? Mark -Original Message- Tanel Poder Sent: 08 September 2003 22:10 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L About 50 I believe. But there are probably more DBAs in the world who don't give a damn about this (or any other) certification, because they're good and known without it anyway. Most of OCMs are currently from States, only few in Europe. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:39 PM Too many. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam how many ocms are there world wide? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.515 / Virus Database: 313 - Release Date: 01/09/2003 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mark Leith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
Re: Oracle Masters exam
Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California--
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Sorry: TaneL, not Taner. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the
Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam
what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
Not quite. Have a look at http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/objectives/index.html?dba9 iocm_practobj.html. And you have access to the doc, but can't use the search functionality (that requires network access and every box is standalone so you can't log into another student's database): Overall Practicum Objectives Configure an Oracle9i database environment by creating the logical and physical structures required to support optimal performance. Configure an Oracle9i network environment to support a variety of connection scenarios. Install, configure, and use Oracle database management, tuning, and diagnostic tools. Use Oracle9i enhanced data management features to support advanced replication, partitioning, and parallel operations. Use Oracle9i tools to backup data while providing uninterrupted database availability. Use Oracle9i tools to perform restore and complete recovery operations from any failure scenario. Perform troubleshooting, analysis, and problem resolution to enhance database and instance performance. Practicum Areas of Focus and Objectives Database Configuration Determine and set sizing parameters for database segments. Create and manage temporary, permanent and undo tablespaces. Stripe data files across multiple physical devices and locations. Configure the database environment to support optimal data access performance. Protect the database from loss of data from any failure scenario. Create and manage database configuration files. Oracle Network Configuration Create and manage multiple network configuration files. Configure the database instance to support shared server connections. Setup network tracing. Configure the network environment to efficiently manage user connections. Manage Oracle network processes. Configure the network environment to allow connections to multiple databases. Oracle Enterprise Manager Setup and Configuration Configure Oracle Enterprise Manager. Create an OEM Repository Use OEM to modify a database configuration. Configure OEM to manage database availability. Database Availability Create a recovery catalog using Recovery Manager. Use Recovery Manager to perform database backups. Use Recovery Manager to perform a complete database restore and recovery. Configure the TNSNAMES.ORA file to support remote connections to a catalog database using TCP. Perform a complete recovery from any database or instance failure scenario. Data Management Create and manage tablespaces to support database access activities. Manage partitioning within a database environment. Configure auditing within the database. Provide users with access to data. Provide access to data using flashback. Database Management Implement fine-grained security. Generate table, index, column, and system statistics. Manage the SGA. Manage new users. Implement Replication. Performance Management Collect instance and database statistics using STATSPACK, USTAT/UTLESTAT, and OEM Packs. Analyze statistics and modify parameters to enhance performance. Configure Resource Manager and use it to manage queries. Create and manage objects to accommodate different data access methods. Analyze and tune query performance. Standby Databases and Data Guard Create and utilize a standby database. Add data to the primary database in preparation for transfer to a standby database. Setup the standby database to use the log writer process to transfer the log stream to the standby database. Configure the network environment to allow communication between the standby database and the primary database. Open the standby database in a Read-Only state Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
testing.. -Original Message- Pete Sharman Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Not quite. Have a look at http://www.oracle.com/education/certification/objectives/index.html?dba9 iocm_practobj.html. And you have access to the doc, but can't use the search functionality (that requires network access and every box is standalone so you can't log into another student's database): Overall Practicum Objectives Configure an Oracle9i database environment by creating the logical and physical structures required to support optimal performance. Configure an Oracle9i network environment to support a variety of connection scenarios. Install, configure, and use Oracle database management, tuning, and diagnostic tools. Use Oracle9i enhanced data management features to support advanced replication, partitioning, and parallel operations. Use Oracle9i tools to backup data while providing uninterrupted database availability. Use Oracle9i tools to perform restore and complete recovery operations from any failure scenario. Perform troubleshooting, analysis, and problem resolution to enhance database and instance performance. Practicum Areas of Focus and Objectives Database Configuration Determine and set sizing parameters for database segments. Create and manage temporary, permanent and undo tablespaces. Stripe data files across multiple physical devices and locations. Configure the database environment to support optimal data access performance. Protect the database from loss of data from any failure scenario. Create and manage database configuration files. Oracle Network Configuration Create and manage multiple network configuration files. Configure the database instance to support shared server connections. Setup network tracing. Configure the network environment to efficiently manage user connections. Manage Oracle network processes. Configure the network environment to allow connections to multiple databases. Oracle Enterprise Manager Setup and Configuration Configure Oracle Enterprise Manager. Create an OEM Repository Use OEM to modify a database configuration. Configure OEM to manage database availability. Database Availability Create a recovery catalog using Recovery Manager. Use Recovery Manager to perform database backups. Use Recovery Manager to perform a complete database restore and recovery. Configure the TNSNAMES.ORA file to support remote connections to a catalog database using TCP. Perform a complete recovery from any database or instance failure scenario. Data Management Create and manage tablespaces to support database access activities. Manage partitioning within a database environment. Configure auditing within the database. Provide users with access to data. Provide access to data using flashback. Database Management Implement fine-grained security. Generate table, index, column, and system statistics. Manage the SGA. Manage new users. Implement Replication. Performance Management Collect instance and database statistics using STATSPACK, USTAT/UTLESTAT, and OEM Packs. Analyze statistics and modify parameters to enhance performance. Configure Resource Manager and use it to manage queries. Create and manage objects to accommodate different data access methods. Analyze and tune query performance. Standby Databases and Data Guard Create and utilize a standby database. Add data to the primary database in preparation for transfer to a standby database. Setup the standby database to use the log writer process to transfer the log stream to the standby database. Configure the network environment to allow communication between the standby database and the primary database. Open the standby database in a Read-Only state Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one
RE: Re: Oracle Masters exam
That phrase the second testing day scares me a bit. : ) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 12:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L what do they have you do? you set up a database where everything that can go wrong does go wrong with no access to documentation right? From: Tanel Poder [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon AM 09:44:27 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
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Congrats Tanel on becoming OCM. GovindanK Certified DBA(8,8i,Brainbench-Master) Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: GovindanK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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how many ocms are there world wide? From: GovindanK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/08 Mon PM 02:49:26 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam Congrats Tanel on becoming OCM. GovindanK Certified DBA(8,8i,Brainbench-Master) Thanks Patrice. Yes, the exam was challenging, I've never typed and thought that fast than 5 min before end of second testing day ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:29 PM Congratulations Taner, Scott Gossett told me the exam is very challenging. (And if Scott Gossett thinks the exam is challenging...) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 8:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: GovindanK INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Too many. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam how many ocms are there world wide? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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About 50 I believe. But there are probably more DBAs in the world who don't give a damn about this (or any other) certification, because they're good and known without it anyway. Most of OCMs are currently from States, only few in Europe. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 11:39 PM Too many. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 3:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Re: Oracle Masters exam how many ocms are there world wide? Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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As another shareholder of Oracle (worth about $1.42 as I recall it), I think it's worth noticing that the richest guy in the universe at first thought this Internet thing wasn't really going to take off. When it did, he moved his company around very, very fast to embrace it. Perhaps not intellectually stimulating, but pretty good for his shareholders and employees. Most of Oracle's shareholders are employees or former ones, and they tend not to tell Larry what to do or not. The problem I see is how Oracle treats its stakeholders - the DBAs, techies, developers, and other fans who have supported The Good Database for so many years. Is the new Support model any way to treat your friends? ;-). It might be market driven, but there are flaws in the mechanism. I think if Larry really asked his shareholders what kind of future they see for the company he might be in for a surprise. If the Politburo thing (complete with the dream of one centralised body having ALL data required to make informed dedicsions) didn't work in Mladen's former country, why do we think it'll work for global companies? Just because they now have faster computers? Mogens Freeman Robert - IL wrote: With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. RF -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mogens_N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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- Original Message - dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? I'm a shareholder too and I expect its value to go up. If Oracle has a predatory attitude and a bad image in the market, their long term future and value for me as a shareholder is damaged. I don't give a rat's arse about initiatives that deal with short term profit grabbing, if I know they'll damage the company (and my share value) in the long term. It's got nothing to do with Oracle being a charity or not. It's got EVERYTHING to do with their shares RETAINING their value in the long term. Which I as a shareholder demand. I'm not interested in bubbles. It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. They have: they created the masters. MOTS. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, no. voila. viola is a musical instrument. they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Exactly how big is that revenue and how much of it goes to third party organisations instead of Oracle shareholders is what I want to know. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. What's share value got to do with socialism? If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. Exactly. Another certification will crop up. And another. In the meantime, the shareholder value is eroded. Since no one in his right mind will want any part of a company that can't get it right. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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- Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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OCM is about marketing. consulting companies will use that to sell their consultants. Ive noticed that alot of employers and co-workers are more likely to listen to someone who is certified than someone who isnt. Its one of the reasons, Im getting mine. Makes it easier to get people to do what I want. I had an interview once and before I talked to the DBA, I talked to HR. I asked the HR person how experience the DBA was and such and he responded in an irreverent tone that the DBA is an 'Oracle Certified Professional'. Almost in awe... Awe is useful when your in a hurry and need people to do what you want. Its not your fault other people hold it in such high value. I have no control over them. From: Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/05 Fri AM 08:20:13 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle Masters exam - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Pete, Bill Just think though. If we'd been smart and acted like it was a terrific thing and anyone with an Oracle Masters was top notch, then maybe we wouldn't have to take all these darned tests. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
DENNIS WILLIAMS scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Pete, Bill Just think though. If we'd been smart and acted like it was a terrific thing and anyone with an Oracle Masters was top notch, then maybe we wouldn't have to take all these darned tests. damn! NOW you tell me.;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The significant problems we face today cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them. - Albert Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) hey, can i help it of Oracle wouldn't hire me?;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM: Indigestion Bothers Me -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Well, let's look at it from the purely commercial point of view: 1) Is it likely that my company will ever foot the bill for masters exam? Me thinks not. Even OCP was frowned upon, because it was looked upon as acquiring a technical certification that will make it easier for me to leave the company. Justifiedly so. Masters exam would be totally out of the question. 2) Is it likely that I pay for the exam myself as I did with OCP? Nope. I'd have to take vacation to be on those two courses, I'd have to pay exorbitant amount of money for courses and exams, which makes it highly unlikely that I ever will do so, unless I win the lottery. So, what's going to happen? It is likely that this certification is the latest cash cow for the Oracle Corp. because the OCP has worn out a bit. The way it is described, there is simply no possible market for this. If they want to make money, they'll have to offer it to the general public the usual way, through Thompson Learning or some other education mass marketing organization. That means that the success rate will have to be around 80%, the price will go down, as well as the meaning or significance of the course. Nope, I believe that I can satisfy the HR drones with OCP and that I don't need to invest few grands into something that will either be very short lived or become yet another meaningless paper and be replaced by the oracle hypermaster to the fifth degree or oracle jedi in two years or so. Who will acquire it? Oracle employees and owners of the small consulting companies, in order to improve their marketability. Not being one of them, I'll do what I usually do: sit back and have a good laugh. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Free? Vat is dis Free? All of us don't work for Oracle (at least not directly) so we don't get that perk. But thanks for sharing. RWB Reginald W. Bailey IBM Global Services - ETS SW GDSD - Database Management Your Friendly Neighborhood DBA 713-216-7703 (Office) 281-798-5474 (Mobile) 713-415-5410 (Pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] peter.sharman@ oracle.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam ity.com 09/05/2003 03:44 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Mladen I'm dubious whether Oracle will make much money from this one. Maybe someone with better connections to the exam can clarify that one. The payoff on anything is the amount of revenue minus the cost to create. If fewer people take the Masters, then the revenue may not offset the cost. I would propose an alternative theory. Was the Masters created in response to criticism of the OCP? Many people have savaged the OCP because it doesn't mean you are an expert. But did Oracle ever consider it a stamp of expertise or merely a certificate of qualification? Is it possible that in response to the criticism, Oracle, ever eager to please the customer, created a true qualification of expertise (Masters)? Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, let's look at it from the purely commercial point of view: 1) Is it likely that my company will ever foot the bill for masters exam? Me thinks not. Even OCP was frowned upon, because it was looked upon as acquiring a technical certification that will make it easier for me to leave the company. Justifiedly so. Masters exam would be totally out of the question. 2) Is it likely that I pay for the exam myself as I did with OCP? Nope. I'd have to take vacation to be on those two courses, I'd have to pay exorbitant amount of money for courses and exams, which makes it highly unlikely that I ever will do so, unless I win the lottery. So, what's going to happen? It is likely that this certification is the latest cash cow for the Oracle Corp. because the OCP has worn out a bit. The way it is described, there is simply no possible market for this. If they want to make money, they'll have to offer it to the general public the usual way, through Thompson Learning or some other education mass marketing organization. That means that the success rate will have to be around 80%, the price will go down, as well as the meaning or significance of the course. Nope, I believe that I can satisfy the HR drones with OCP and that I don't need to invest few grands into something that will either be very short lived or become yet another meaningless paper and be replaced by the oracle hypermaster to the fifth degree or oracle jedi in two years or so. Who will acquire it? Oracle employees and owners of the small consulting companies, in order to improve their marketability. Not being one of them, I'll do what I usually do: sit back and have a good laugh. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:45 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Don't worry, nor do most Oracle employees. I was asked to be a beta tester of the masters exam, and in return for my review ( we actually spent three days doing the exam because of the amount of time discussing whether questions were valid, how they should be marked and so on), I got to sit the exam for free. I think (though I could be wrong) that normally (like in the OCP) Oracle employees will be charged a somewhat reduced rate for the masters exam. But anyway, doesn't IBM pay for you to do these sorts of things? :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 7:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Free? Vat is dis Free? All of us don't work for Oracle (at least not directly) so we don't get that perk. But thanks for sharing. RWB Reginald W. Bailey IBM Global Services - ETS SW GDSD - Database Management Your Friendly Neighborhood DBA 713-216-7703 (Office) 281-798-5474 (Mobile) 713-415-5410 (Pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] peter.sharman@ oracle.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam ity.com 09/05/2003 03:44 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Thater, William Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 6:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. all true, but still priced out of line for many of us that would like to take it and would find it useful. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. Remember automatic weapons are a good thing. me ;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] The cosmological constant warps space-time the other way so that bodies move apart. - Stephen Hawking on Einstein -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam Well, at least all of the Oracle employees can eventually claim to be masters... maybe some of them will filter over and improve the analyst stock. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas /\ / \ / \ \ / \/ \ \ \ \ Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite Adam Wells age 11 -Original Message- From: Thater, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 4:24 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam Pete Sharman scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: Funny, I found my cost (free) was acceptable ... :) hey, can i help it of Oracle wouldn't hire me?;-) -- Bill Shrek Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] IBM: Indigestion Bothers Me -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
Re: Oracle Masters exam
Let's just cut the crap and start our own Oracle-L Masters (OLM). Qualifications 1) Willingness to answer questions 2) Willingness to ask questions, after RTFM 3) Willingness to publicly admit mistakes and offer corrections 4) Demonstration of advanced knowledge of Oracle 5) Able to back up comments with logic and tests, not regurgitate the latest articles/books begin:vcard n:Fink;Daniel x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Sun Microsystems, Inc. adr:;; version:2.1 title:Lead, Database Services x-mozilla-cpt:;9168 fn:Daniel W. Fink end:vcard
Re: Oracle Masters exam
Hi! I think the new certification is Oracle Certified Master, but the old one was just Oracle Master title. I personally spent over $6000 on OCM exam which I took last year (the first public exam). I had to fly to Chicago from other side of the world, because there were no exams available elsewhere. I believe Oracle is still having problems with setting up additional test environments in other locations... If you ask, was it worth to spend the money - my personal opinion is: yes it was. Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:59 PM Just to clarify, the old Oracle Masters was only an indication that you had attended a series of relevant training courses. There was no test, no measure of how well you could perform the role of a DBA. The new Oracle Masters definitely addresses that issue. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Ron Rogers Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have a certificate suitable for framing that states that I am a Database Administrator Oracle 7 Oracle Master. Does this new Oracle Master negate my current Oracle Master certification? Is there and upgrade path available? Does it really matter? Every thing that I have accomplished I have done for myself. I use the tests as a yard stick against what I feel I want to accomplish. Does it matter that I have one, or two, or three, or four suitable for framing papers on the wall? With only a few years to go before I retire for the second time, I think that I will concentrate my efforts on my grand kids rather that getting paper for my walls. Ron mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/03 08:20AM - Original Message - It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. What for? Make the employer shell out another BIG bunch of notes? To get a piece of paper that says on that date and with that hardware one could perform a backup and a restore? What does that say about the ability to lead a group of developers, or design the strategy for database access or solve a really nasty performance problem without forcing re-development or re-tooling? Or any of a million other tasks truly knowledgeable people get asked to perform? No wonder TK doesn't want to talk about it: it's laughable, and he prides himself in being a serious expert. The single fact the masters was created is the perfect admission at long last the OCP was nothing but a sham. Everyone knows it, some just insist on continuing the good old PC stuff (go with the flow, let it ride, etc). It is the simple truth: its value as a certification was and always will be nill. That the masters is being sold as the new be-all-end-all is even more demeaning. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. They'll be able to take a hot backup, rest assured. With milk and two sugars, please. Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California
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I am getting ready to bite the bullet and do this. I have procured a copy of Linux Advanced server to install at home, I have a couple of machines I am going to set up to handle the RAC portions. This is tough for me, because I am one of the largest RAC skeptics about. Of course I had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the Windows world, so what do I know. My employer wants wants me to get the certification, they want the entire IT department to be certified at least as Oralce Developers. I told them I had quite some ways to go, and that the next level of certification required two expensive courses, and an expensive test as well. That didn't seem to dampen their desire to have me acquire the certification. I got a raise for completing the OCP program. I am gonna see if I can get them to dangle a carrot for me to pass this as well, although their footing the bill for the education requirements is pretty darned nice. Not to mention the Solaris system administrator certification, that self study guide just arrived the other day, and the Veritas backup administrator certification stuff I got the other day. This is getting to be like college. Steve McClure -Original Message- Pete Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 3:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Steve McClure INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle Masters exam
So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: Oracle Masters exam
i saw some posts on the usenets that oracle has been cancelling masters exams and not refunding the money. saw a couple of posts on that. From: Mladen Gogala [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu AM 11:19:30 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
RE: Oracle Masters exam
The masters seems a far better test of ability than OCP. Unfortunately Oracle have attached the spurious must attend 2 Oracle classes clause which makes it obvious that the whole program is just another revenue channel. I've considered signing up for it but I baulk at the idea of handing over my hard-earned cash for courses that I could teach just so I can qualify to take the test. seethe Mike -Original Message- Sent: 04 September 2003 15:20 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). E mail Disclaimer You agree that you have read and understood this disclaimer and you agree to be bound by its terms. The information contained in this e-mail and any files transmitted with it (if any) are confidential and intended for the addressee only. If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the originator. This e-mail and any attachments have been scanned for certain viruses prior to sending but CE Electric UK
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Mike, it's always about the money. Unfortunately, I notice that Oracle Corp. is getting greedier and greedier. Bugs are more and more numerous and versions are released at such rapid pace that it is extremely hard an expensive to keep up the pace. Of course, Oracle would like to get some additional cash while we do that, so, voila, we have certification programs. I judge those programs by whether they're actually helpful to me or not. As for the masters program, I'm not really sure. I know that Cary Millsap, Scott Gosset Jr., Scott Heisey, Tom Kyte, Steve Adams, Jonathan Lewis, Wolfgang Breitling and a few of other folks are masters, and I'm not sure that anyone of them has a master certificate. This is a starter only, but when the brand name sets in and the program gets handed to Thompson Learning to make it into an actual cash cow, it will be no different then OCP: raise you hands where I can see them and gimme all your cash, slowly. I actually bought a book about Postgress and I believe that's the next big thing. Oracle Corp. wants a cut in every business opportunity they present. The cutthroat move with PeopleSoft didn't do much to improve their image. I don't know whether there will be much left for me in the near future. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Hately, Mike (LogicaCMG) Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The masters seems a far better test of ability than OCP. Unfortunately Oracle have attached the spurious must attend 2 Oracle classes clause which makes it obvious that the whole program is just another revenue channel. I've considered signing up for it but I baulk at the idea of handing over my hard-earned cash for courses that I could teach just so I can qualify to take the test. seethe Mike -Original Message- Sent: 04 September 2003 15:20 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail
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Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam I though about trying to figure out how to get it to be a write off... I'm not sure how taking an advanced class will help me to pass the test... I kind of would like to take it just to see if I can... but I really don't want to be doing it just to drum up Oracle revenue. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA OCP 8, 8i, 9i Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite Adam Wells age 11 -Original Message- From: Chris Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam I was just looking into this. If I understand it correctly, you have to take 2 'advanced' classes =$2000-$5000 total (depending on which courses) and then you have to pay $2000 just to take the practicum. This might be the real deal and an exciting achievement to work towards but I for one know that my company won't be shelling the $$$ out and my pockets are nowhere near that deep. It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
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From what I heard at an 8i Internals seminar, the OCM exams are nothing like the OCP exams. They really put people on the spot. Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. RF -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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My complaint is not based on moral grounds. My complaint is that Oracle's greed is interfering with my own. There is drastic difference in the behavior of Oracle Corp. from the times before Oracle 8.0 and after. Support has worsened, the quality of the code is falling, bugs are more and more numerous and serious, vaporware is a commonplace (OEM Change Management pack, OID) and there are new and new certifications to make to stay in less and less lucrative business. You're right, I have decisions to make: to stay in oracle DBA business or to move on. I believe that less and less opportunity to make money in that market is going to force me to move out. As for application development business, we've just seen what happens when somebody's successful: an out of control giant takes him down, or at least tries to so. I'm not proposing socialism, as a citizen of a former communist country I'm more disgusted with the communism then you'll ever be, what I will do is to move on to the market which doesn't have a greedy giant which wants a cut in everything I make. It's as simple as that. Oracle started to behave as if it was a monopoly. Guess what, monopolies are the reason which compelled me to switch to Linux. I can do it again. My message is that Oracle is no longer friendly to the techies that were spreading the good word, and, as far as I'm concerned, the techies are looking for exit. Good luck to you and Larry. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:36 AM To: 'Mladen Gogala '; 'Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ' With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. RF Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam -Original Message-From: April Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:25 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Masters exam I though about trying to figure out how to get it to be a write off... I'm not sure how taking an advanced class will help me to pass the test... I kind of would like to take it just to see if I can... but I really don't want to be doing it just to drum up Oracle revenue.[Shrek] the way i look at it, the company wants me to have that stuff bad enough they'll pay the freight. otherwise, i can't see the value. i'm sure Cary et al were masters long before the exam was created or taken. -- Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] All men are ignorant, just in different fields. - Albert Einstein Einstein
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In addition, some non-tech HR wag does their screening of applicants based on OCP, Oracle Master's, or some such certification. Yes, certification is an issue whether or not it has technical merit. When it comes at a price that many of us can't personnaly afford, it's a very BIG issue. I don't know if Rachel, Carey, and the rest of the Real Masters have their piece of paper from Oracle, but can you imagine them being screened out from a position because someone who is not in the community and doesn't know their rep's round files thier resume/CV because it's missing the appropriate letters after their name? Attrocious! I'm all for Oracle making money, just not at the expense of their proponents. As Mladen states PostgreSQL is starting to look pretty good. MySQL is also gaining headway. -- Rodd Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 04 September 2003 11:54, Mladen Gogala wrote: My complaint is not based on moral grounds. My complaint is that Oracle's greed is interfering with my own. There is drastic difference in the behavior of Oracle Corp. from the times before Oracle 8.0 and after. Support has worsened, the quality of the code is falling, bugs are more and more numerous and serious, vaporware is a commonplace (OEM Change Management pack, OID) and there are new and new certifications to make to stay in less and less lucrative business. You're right, I have decisions to make: to stay in oracle DBA business or to move on. I believe that less and less opportunity to make money in that market is going to force me to move out. As for application development business, we've just seen what happens when somebody's successful: an out of control giant takes him down, or at least tries to so. I'm not proposing socialism, as a citizen of a former communist country I'm more disgusted with the communism then you'll ever be, what I will do is to move on to the market which doesn't have a greedy giant which wants a cut in everything I make. It's as simple as that. Oracle started to behave as if it was a monopoly. Guess what, monopolies are the reason which compelled me to switch to Linux. I can do it again. My message is that Oracle is no longer friendly to the techies that were spreading the good word, and, as far as I'm concerned, the techies are looking for exit. Good luck to you and Larry. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:36 AM To: 'Mladen Gogala '; 'Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ' With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. RF -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was completed. Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL
RE: Oracle Masters exam
Title: RE: Oracle Masters exam see... that's when I got my OCP... when the company decided that I needed to have it, and that they would pay for it. All it proves to me is that I can pass multiple choice tests... and I can read a book. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite Adam Wells age 11 -Original Message-From: Thater, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:45 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Masters exam -Original Message-From: April Wells [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:25 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Masters exam I though about trying to figure out how to get it to be a write off... I'm not sure how taking an advanced class will help me to pass the test... I kind of would like to take it just to see if I can... but I really don't want to be doing it just to drum up Oracle revenue.[Shrek] the way i look at it, the company wants me to have that stuff bad enough they'll pay the freight. otherwise, i can't see the value. i'm sure Cary et al were masters long before the exam was created or taken. -- Bill "Shrek" Thater ORACLE DBA BAARF Party member #25 [EMAIL PROTECTED] All men are ignorant, just in different fields. - Albert Einstein Einstein The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
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if your on a 1099 the classes should be a business expense. dont know about the certification. so you could write off the classes. will only save people 25-28% though... From: April Wells [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 12:24:35 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam I though about trying to figure out how to get it to be a write off... I'm not sure how taking an advanced class will help me to pass the test... I kind of would like to take it just to see if I can... but I really don't want to be doing it just to drum up Oracle revenue. April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA OCP 8, 8i, 9i Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas Few people really enjoy the simple pleasure of flying a kite Adam Wells age 11 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I was just looking into this. If I understand it correctly, you have to take 2 'advanced' classes =$2000-$5000 total (depending on which courses) and then you have to pay $2000 just to take the practicum. This might be the real deal and an exciting achievement to work towards but I for one know that my company won't be shelling the $$$ out and my pockets are nowhere near that deep. It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL
RE: Oracle Masters exam
I was just looking into this. If I understand it correctly, you have to take 2 'advanced' classes =$2000-$5000 total (depending on which courses) and then you have to pay $2000 just to take the practicum. This might be the real deal and an exciting achievement to work towards but I for one know that my company won't be shelling the $$$ out and my pockets are nowhere near that deep. It's too bad. It seems like it would be fun. Chris -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Chris Stephens INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
Re: Oracle Masters exam
You keep putting me into a class in which I do not belong -- but I thank you. I have OCP through 8i, but only because I made it a point of honor to see if I could pass the exams without ever studying for them, and, in the case of the 8 and 8i certification, without ever having seen a database running in those versions. (I take standardized tests REALLY well). I have no intention of gathering further pieces of paper. But I also plan at some point to leave this field, so I will be gathering different bits of paper instead. --- Rodd Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, some non-tech HR wag does their screening of applicants based on OCP, Oracle Master's, or some such certification. Yes, certification is an issue whether or not it has technical merit. When it comes at a price that many of us can't personnaly afford, it's a very BIG issue. I don't know if Rachel, Carey, and the rest of the Real Masters have their piece of paper from Oracle, but can you imagine them being screened out from a position because someone who is not in the community and doesn't know their rep's round files thier resume/CV because it's missing the appropriate letters after their name? Attrocious! I'm all for Oracle making money, just not at the expense of their proponents. As Mladen states PostgreSQL is starting to look pretty good. MySQL is also gaining headway. -- Rodd Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 04 September 2003 11:54, Mladen Gogala wrote: My complaint is not based on moral grounds. My complaint is that Oracle's greed is interfering with my own. There is drastic difference in the behavior of Oracle Corp. from the times before Oracle 8.0 and after. Support has worsened, the quality of the code is falling, bugs are more and more numerous and serious, vaporware is a commonplace (OEM Change Management pack, OID) and there are new and new certifications to make to stay in less and less lucrative business. You're right, I have decisions to make: to stay in oracle DBA business or to move on. I believe that less and less opportunity to make money in that market is going to force me to move out. As for application development business, we've just seen what happens when somebody's successful: an out of control giant takes him down, or at least tries to so. I'm not proposing socialism, as a citizen of a former communist country I'm more disgusted with the communism then you'll ever be, what I will do is to move on to the market which doesn't have a greedy giant which wants a cut in everything I make. It's as simple as that. Oracle started to behave as if it was a monopoly. Guess what, monopolies are the reason which compelled me to switch to Linux. I can do it again. My message is that Oracle is no longer friendly to the techies that were spreading the good word, and, as far as I'm concerned, the techies are looking for exit. Good luck to you and Larry. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:36 AM To: 'Mladen Gogala '; 'Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ' With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. RF -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information
Re: RE: Oracle Masters exam
well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? From: Pete Sharman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was completed. Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any
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You're becoming a lawyer too? C'ya in court. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Rachel Carmichael Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You keep putting me into a class in which I do not belong -- but I thank you. I have OCP through 8i, but only because I made it a point of honor to see if I could pass the exams without ever studying for them, and, in the case of the 8 and 8i certification, without ever having seen a database running in those versions. (I take standardized tests REALLY well). I have no intention of gathering further pieces of paper. But I also plan at some point to leave this field, so I will be gathering different bits of paper instead. --- Rodd Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, some non-tech HR wag does their screening of applicants based on OCP, Oracle Master's, or some such certification. Yes, certification is an issue whether or not it has technical merit. When it comes at a price that many of us can't personnaly afford, it's a very BIG issue. I don't know if Rachel, Carey, and the rest of the Real Masters have their piece of paper from Oracle, but can you imagine them being screened out from a position because someone who is not in the community and doesn't know their rep's round files thier resume/CV because it's missing the appropriate letters after their name? Attrocious! I'm all for Oracle making money, just not at the expense of their proponents. As Mladen states PostgreSQL is starting to look pretty good. MySQL is also gaining headway. -- Rodd Holman [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thursday 04 September 2003 11:54, Mladen Gogala wrote: My complaint is not based on moral grounds. My complaint is that Oracle's greed is interfering with my own. There is drastic difference in the behavior of Oracle Corp. from the times before Oracle 8.0 and after. Support has worsened, the quality of the code is falling, bugs are more and more numerous and serious, vaporware is a commonplace (OEM Change Management pack, OID) and there are new and new certifications to make to stay in less and less lucrative business. You're right, I have decisions to make: to stay in oracle DBA business or to move on. I believe that less and less opportunity to make money in that market is going to force me to move out. As for application development business, we've just seen what happens when somebody's successful: an out of control giant takes him down, or at least tries to so. I'm not proposing socialism, as a citizen of a former communist country I'm more disgusted with the communism then you'll ever be, what I will do is to move on to the market which doesn't have a greedy giant which wants a cut in everything I make. It's as simple as that. Oracle started to behave as if it was a monopoly. Guess what, monopolies are the reason which compelled me to switch to Linux. I can do it again. My message is that Oracle is no longer friendly to the techies that were spreading the good word, and, as far as I'm concerned, the techies are looking for exit. Good luck to you and Larry. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:36 AM To: 'Mladen Gogala '; 'Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ' With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints about greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified and the dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything affordable. It's the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the expectation of Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a thing. I don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so what? Why does that compel him to give you anything? It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes or OCP exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change things. If people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, they have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters credentials are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend it. If enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. Thats how a market driven economy works. RF -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT
RE: RE: Oracle Masters exam
Still out there on Amazon, even though I don't get any royalties from it any more (since the publisher went under). It's also available for online purchase chapter by chapter (I think) on http://www.robonerd.com Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:05 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? From: Pete Sharman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was completed. Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE
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The last National Geographic talks about slavery, it's running rampant. Jared this is getting into OT !!! Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I don't believe that you can be an owner of a consultant. This practice was stopped, I believe, in 1865, in the Appomatox courthouse. Virgil Caine is my name and I drove on the Danville train 'til so much cavalry came and tore up the tracks again In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive I took the train to Richmond that fell It was a time I remember, oh, so well The night they drove old Dixie down And all the bells were ringin' The night they drove old Dixie down And all the people were singin' They went, Na, na, na, na, na, na, -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? From: Pete Sharman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was completed. Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing
RE: RE: Oracle Masters exam
I don't believe that you can be an owner of a consultant. This practice was stopped, I believe, in 1865, in the Appomatox courthouse. Virgil Caine is my name and I drove on the Danville train 'til so much cavalry came and tore up the tracks again In the winter of '65, we were hungry, just barely alive I took the train to Richmond that fell It was a time I remember, oh, so well The night they drove old Dixie down And all the bells were ringin' The night they drove old Dixie down And all the people were singin' They went, Na, na, na, na, na, na, -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? From: Pete Sharman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was completed. Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL
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The Exam Cram books are harder and harder to find, but used ones are still available. However, I believe that Pete is going to co-author my upcomming Mastering Oracle10g book from Sybex So, if you liked his style, stay tuned. RF -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 9/4/2003 2:04 PM well tom kyte isnt certified and refuses to discuss it on his website. OCP is important for most people. Employers want it. Im not sure masters certification means much unless you are a principal consultant or owner of a consultant. You then use that certification to sell your company. Its the same reason why most of the authors seem to be consultants. Helps sell themselves and the companies they work for. Its probably not worth the cost for most people to take it. Its not going to increase our rates. Though it could help sell consulting companies. btw, pete.. I found your 8i exam cram book much better than the osborne books. Well written and concise. Your 8i book is still on the market even though coriolis went under? From: Pete Sharman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2003/09/04 Thu PM 02:49:26 EDT To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Oracle Masters exam Well, I've had the luxury of not only not paying for any of the certification, but actually being paid to DO the certification: 7.3 - original certification as an Oracle instructor paid for by Oracle 8.0 - paid for by the now defunct Coriolis Group so I could review their exam crams for them 8.1 - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them 9i - paid for by Coriolis so I could write an exam cram for them, but the company went south before the book was completed. Wonder who's going to pay me for 10g certification? :) Seriously, the Masters is (to me anyway) well worth it. It's something that really does test you know how to manage a database. You need deep hands on experience before you can even look at it. I was in the first beta test of the exam (an internal test), where we had 19 of the best Oracle people I have ever met doing the exam (ones that I would rank up with some of the Oak Table guys without any qualms), and we all found the two days very tough. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 1:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, it's nothing like OCP where you get the certification when you spew out certain amount of the green stuff? I wonder how long will it take before seeing oracle masters who don't know how to take a hot backup. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -Original Message- Sharman Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you
RE: Oracle Masters exam
And having sat through the beta of the masters exam, let me reiterate what Reichert said in the article. You really do have to have the hands on experience to pass it. I've been using Oracle for something like 15 years now, and training others in the DBA world for 11 or so of those 12 years, and this was the hardest exam I've ever sat through. Pete Controlling developers is like herding cats. Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that! Bruce Pihlamae, long term Oracle DBA. -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Mag has something about the Oracle Masters program... http://otn.oracle.com/oramag/oracle/03-sep/o53news.html Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Pete Sharman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
