osmand starts with media folder dialog

['Martin Trautmann' via OsmAnd]

Hi all,

after some significant problems with slow startup I have removed
whatever of old maps I found.

Even before that and probably since a recent update osmand+ always
starts with the file folder (Datenordner) dialog.

My memory locaction is specified manually as SD card,
Android/media/net.osmand.plus

But why does it keep asking me for the memory location and how can I
change that (mal-)behavior again?

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Re: How to speedup osmand

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On 20.04.24 19:54, Tom Crocker wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024, 18:34 ralph lumen,  > wrote:
> 
> what sense makes it to deactivate maps instead of deleting them? why
> should I want to activate then outdated maps? how should that even
> speed up osmand?
> 
> Lots of maps equals slower. If they're deactivated they don't slow it down. 
> I have a bunch of maps downloaded that I don't expect to use all the
> time or ever. If I go there for a weekend I can activate the map for the
> weekend only, or if I go somewhere and have forgotten to download a new
> map I'm still able to use osmand without a data connection. Most stuff
> doesn't change over a few months. Different people have different needs.

and still I feel it would be osmand's own task NOT to load maps which
are not required - at least for an initial startup, but also later on
for navigation.

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Re: How to speedup osmand

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On 20.04.24 14:48, Peter B - pebogufi wrote:
> Within osmand use setting folder to "manual".
> Works with androud 12.
> It would help to know which android version do you use.

it's Android 12 SP1A.210812.016

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Re: How to speedup osmand

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On 20.04.24 13:34, Peter B - pebogufi wrote:
> Try changing location of osmand installation
> from
> storage/82A1-7ABC/Android/obb/net.osmand.plus
> to
> storage/82A1-7ABC/Android/media/net.osmand.plus
>
> With android version 12 and newer this may help.
> There are a lot of reports about this access problem.

Very interesting. However, I can't create net.osmand.plus within media
(no write permission) and I can't access this folder since it does not
contain any maps yet.

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Re: How to speedup osmand

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On 20.04.24 00:17, Tom Crocker wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024, 13:10 'Martin Trautmann' via OsmAnd,
> mailto:osmand@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>
>
> So what I would like is any mechanism to make osmand faster again - e.g.
>
> ...
>
> * I could mark certain maps as currently inactive - there are several
> contries where I do not want to use the bandwith to delete and download
> the data again and again, although I won't go there within the next 12
> months.
>
> I can't tell from what you've written if you know you can mark certain
> maps as inactive/ reactivate them as necessary? I have several dozen
> maps deactivated and only a couple active. It does make a surprising
> difference.

I wonder whether my system is completely messed up by now, due to the
changes of Googles memory policy.

For a few days now osmand always asks me on startup about its storage place.

At the moment it's on multiuser space 2 which names a path of
/storage/82A1-7ABC/Android/obb/net.osmand.plus
It's just a guess that this might be the "SD-Card".

The file managers that I checked no longer have access to these folders.

So I re-installed the typical maps which I actually need - and those now
are used again.

However, when I check for my local maps, all the other maps are still
shown. They are all marked with green, claiming to be the most recent
version, although all the old ones are from 1.12.2023 while the actual
new ones are from 01.04.2024

The map info does not show me where those maps actually are. I have the
icons
1) box with dropdown, telling me zero of one files have been deactivated
2) refresh spin arrows, do not work
3) edit pencil, does not work
4) upload from box, which asks me for the file manager
5) trash

So the maps are there, but are not there. I guess I'll walk through all
of them and trash them manually.  But when I try, osmand tells me "zero
of one files have been deleted".

I feel it's not only Google's memory concept that was flawed by a
protection that I actually do not want, but also by osmands failure to
provide a useful migration policy and a now corrupted memory concept.

I wonder where else I still have dumps of former map storage locations
since those were created once and now are not longer accessible, while
they still are found by some other way.

Deactivation of maps should be done within osmand automatically, in
order to use only the most relevant maps within <100 km distance for a
reasonable startup speed.



I guess I should tell the system setup to delete all of osmand directly.
Is there any other way to clean up that mess?


I do not even understand the difference of "standard maps" vs "sources":
Standardkarten: 21.2 GB
Quellen: 33.84 GB

How can I save and export my own data (tracks, favorits etc.) before I
tell the system to remove all osmand data?

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Re: current speed, lower left screen area

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On 09.04.24 09:08, Dmytro Prodchenko wrote:
> Hello! 
> You can turn off new Speedometer widget in Menu – Settings – Configure
> Screen – Other – Speedometer. 

Thanks to Pertti and you, I found it within the car configuration

in German:

  Anzeige konfigurieren
  > Geschwindigkeitsmesser

within the common profile it was off,
within the car profile (Auto) it was set to on

But why? Whoever wants it, it could be added to the upper area with the
default layout (transparent) - why an overlay on a very different
position with nontransparent white background?

Does it do anything different, maybe even better?

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Re: Won't have "Display position always in center"

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On 22-12-10 09:35, Tom Crocker wrote:

On Sat, 10 Dec 2022, 08:23 Martin Trautmann, mailto:tr...@gmx.de>> wrote:

Thanks! I'd never noticed it deep down there and I don't remember
I ever
changed it.


The behaviour has changed recently. Even with that setting it used to
only display at the bottom in combination with the movement
orientation, because it only really makes sense in that orientation
(eg when navigating along a route). So you probably had it set but had
the compass on north. Now it's a permanent setting because it's
simpler to explain, but I don't think it makes sense.



for movement it seems nice - but I never use that.

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Re: OSM+ bug: position still misplaced far from the centre

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Solved - it was just a misconfiguration which I never remember to have
changed it.

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Re: Won't have "Display position always in center"

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Thanks! I'd never noticed it deep down there and I don't remember I ever
changed it.

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Re: Won't have "Display position always in center"

[Martin Trautmann]

On 21-08-16 12:33, Ush wrote:

Hi, rather than displaying the position in the center I'd prefer
displaying the position on the lower part of the display. I unchecked
"Display position always in center" but still the position is
centered. I've restarted OSMand but still the same.



where do you find this setup in the settings? Screenshot would be
welcome since mine is the German version where names are different.

All I find is to jump back to the centered position after 20 seconds,
during navigation.

Unfortunately. my centered view is far, far below the center, at less
than 20 % of the height, instead of 50 % - regardless of the usual fixed
north-on-top view or any other compass view.

I'm on Osmand+ 4.3.2 and this offset error appeared several weeks ago.

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OSM+ bug: position still misplaced far from the centre

[Martin Trautmann]

I just updated to Osmand+ 4.3.2

The release note claims that they had fixed the position.

I don't know what the fix was - but when I want to see my actual 
position, it is not aligned to the centre of the screen, but it is far 
below to the bottom edge. I'd assume it's about 1/6th below and 5/6th above.


Am I the only one with that trouble? Is it a Xiaomi problem?

It was ok at the beginning, became broken some weeks ago and still was 
not fixed by the latest update.


Schönen Gruß
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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

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As I learned by now from
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=68803, you actually do
not have a common 100 / 130 @ 19:00-6:00 speed limit, but only because
extra signs have been placed on the highway.

So actually, in theory the exit lanes will have the same speed limit as
the highway, but the entry lanes will not be limited up to the first 100
sign. It was my mistake to mark them with the speed limit. Entry lanes
do not need a speed limit at all, but do inherit it from the country
setting.

Instead, you will have to model each exit with end-of-highway and
give-way-of-right, where appropriate.

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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

[Martin Trautmann]

On 20-10-10 01:06, A Thompson wrote:
> I had a quick look at your examples on the openstreetmap site, and the
> OSRM router there does the same thing as OsmAnd, e.g. here
> .

Until yesterday the routers still used the exit lines, although I had
adjusted the speed limits or the sections in between.

Today, for the first time, it worked properly.

Thus it's a possible solution to fix the speed limits.

So someone will have to find and fix all the other exit lanes.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=52.5384%2C6.1134%3B53.1898%2C5.4301#map=14/53.2024/5.7263
still does show this problem within other areas.

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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

[Martin Trautmann]

On 20-10-11 09:40, Martin Trautmann wrote:
> On 20-10-11 07:08, Martin Trautmann wrote:
> 
>> I now checked with google street view - and there are several mistakes.
>> 1) the offical autoroute does not go through. Instead, it does end at
>> about 100 m before the crossing
>> 2) the exit has a give-way sign at the crossing.
>>
>> The announcement of the crossing has an announcement, naming 150 m
>> before. What's the distance of the posts? Are they 25 instead of 50 m?
>> 3) autoroute then starts about 50 m after the crossing.
>>
>> It's the same situation on both the north side exit with a T crossing
>> and the south side exit with an X crossing.
>>
>> So there is no need to think about a practical max speed, you just have
>> to edit the proper details here.
> 
> I've fixed the Wolterholten exit. Please check whether that's ok now.

And I have fixed speed limits on some further ON lanes. It did not use
those paths for routing yet. Let's give it some ours to settle in...

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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

[Martin Trautmann]

On 20-10-11 07:08, Martin Trautmann wrote:

> I now checked with google street view - and there are several mistakes.
> 1) the offical autoroute does not go through. Instead, it does end at
> about 100 m before the crossing
> 2) the exit has a give-way sign at the crossing.
> 
> The announcement of the crossing has an announcement, naming 150 m
> before. What's the distance of the posts? Are they 25 instead of 50 m?
> 3) autoroute then starts about 50 m after the crossing.
> 
> It's the same situation on both the north side exit with a T crossing
> and the south side exit with an X crossing.
> 
> So there is no need to think about a practical max speed, you just have
> to edit the proper details here.

I've fixed the Wolterholten exit. Please check whether that's ok now.

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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

[Martin Trautmann]

On 20-10-11 04:18, A Thompson wrote:

> But out of curiosity I did some rough calculations on the junction shown
> on the right in the original post (it's at  52.90854, 6.00013). If you
> could instantaneously accelerate from 100 to 130 while crossing the
> junction between the off- and on- ramps you'd save no more than 3
> seconds compared to keeping on the highway. 


Before I checked the actual situation at this exit (afrit 9 Ter Idzard)
I assumed the typical German exits with a big four-leaf clover shape.
There you actually can drive at full speed on the outer exit lane.

It's not advisable. It's abuse. But AFAIK it would be permitted.

Some people use this to bypass a traffic jam on the main road, with less
traffic on the exit lane.

For a length of the exit lane of 1000 m length (@Wolterholten) this
would be a difference of up to 8.3 seconds (not account for an
acceleration time), for 500 m (Idzard) it would be half of it. How did
you compute the 3 s?

And even a single second difference, or a fraction of it, would advise
to navigate along the bypass lane, as long as there is not a significant
penalty on it.

So for the Netherlands exit, you just have to edit the details.


I think I found the route where I observed one of mw own problems:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=fossgis_osrm_car=49.18468%2C9.21291%3B49.17757%2C9.23691#map=17/49.18048/9.22960

It assumes a speed limit of 60 km/h on the A6 in Heilbronn (eastern
direction) - which is true, the autobahn is under construction.

But it does recommend the bypass on the exit lane. This motorway link
has no limit at all, or 100 km/h.

But actually you can not drive through. Last time I passed,
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/127681031 was completely blocked.

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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

[Martin Trautmann]

On 20-10-10 01:06, A Thompson wrote:
> I had a quick look at your examples on the openstreetmap site, and the
> OSRM router there does the same thing as OsmAnd, e.g. here
> .
> 
> In both examples, both the motorway and the exiting motorway_link are
> tagged:
> 
> maxspeed=100 
> 
> maxspeed:conditional=130 @ (19:00-06:00)
> 
> 
> however the motorway_link to rejoin is simply tagged:
> 
> maxspeed=130

So this tag has to be fixed. It must also be at least maxsped=100,
maxspeed:conditional=130 @ (19:00-06:00). That's the common default for
all Netherlands since March 2020.

A check should be done whether there are any remaining parts of the
autoroutes which do permit higher speeds.

However, I doubt that this actual intersection does not have any other
speed limits. Is there actual no other limitation?

After I had a look at this exit on the map, it would permit 130 at some
times before this direct crossing and always 130 after.

So maybe Dutch drivers do behave more reasonable than others and
practical speeds would be much lower since the driver would want to
leave at the exit. However, the markings on the road might even indicate
a stop sign there at Tuk, Wolterholten?

I now checked with google street view - and there are several mistakes.
1) the offical autoroute does not go through. Instead, it does end at
about 100 m before the crossing
2) the exit has a give-way sign at the crossing.

The announcement of the crossing has an announcement, naming 150 m
before. What's the distance of the posts? Are they 25 instead of 50 m?
3) autoroute then starts about 50 m after the crossing.

It's the same situation on both the north side exit with a T crossing
and the south side exit with an X crossing.

So there is no need to think about a practical max speed, you just have
to edit the proper details here.

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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

[Martin Trautmann]

On 20-10-10 09:46, Paul van der Hulst wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Don't misunderstand me: I don't think it's trivial to solve, but I DO
> think it's very annoying. The suggestion by myxw...@googlemail.com is
> not helpful since it is distracting while driving.

Yes, it is distracting, especially when driving alone. But with that
feature you might check and notice that problem in advance.

Maybe you even just have a break and check for the next turn. Or you
have a co-driver. And you are suspicious because you do not expect a
turn that early. So you could have a look and even leave a note to get
this fixed.

But when the problem hits you while driving, you have to struggle enough
to find back to your track.

Last month this problem happened to me several times - and two times I
would have lost plenty of time because those problems happened where the
usual drive through was no longer available, because the roads were
under construction. I would have had to follow the exit, follow the
external road for several kilometers, until there would have been a
chance to find to turn the opposite lanes and come back.

But now I do not even remember which exit it had been.

Schönen Gruß
Martin

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Re: Osmand repeatedly wants me to exit and immediately reenter a highway

[Martin Trautmann]

On 20-10-10 01:06, A Thompson wrote:
> I had a quick look at your examples on the openstreetmap site, and the
> OSRM router there does the same thing as OsmAnd, e.g. here
> .
> 
> In both examples, both the motorway and the exiting motorway_link are
> tagged:
> 
> maxspeed=100 
> 
> maxspeed:conditional=130 @ (19:00-06:00)
> 
> 
> however the motorway_link to rejoin is simply tagged:
> 
> maxspeed=130
> 
> 
> Could this theoretical increase in maxspeed be the reason that the
> motorway_link's are being chosen, even though in reality it will be slower?

Yes, unfortunately that's a common problem.

It will hit you by surprise since you do not expect that behavior when
you come close to this turn.

That's why I askd for an improvement of the gui: when you click on the
next-turn-panel, the map will zoom to this area, just as it zooms on the
destination when you click the chequered flag.

If you know about those locations, you can fix them via OSM data.

Schönen Gruß
Martin

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Re: Osmand: non-needed keep left/right

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On 19-10-07 21:23, Carles Pina i Estany wrote:

> I've disabled OsmandLive in this device. Osmand asked if I wanted to
> delete the Osmand live updates, I said yes. Then the problem doesn't
> happen.

I never used OsmandLive, but still have that problem - but probably
since the recent update only.

Schönen Gruß
Martin

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Re: Osmand: non-needed keep left/right

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On 19-10-07 10:59, Grzegorz Adamiak wrote:
> I have experienced exactly the same behavior on my recent trip in
> Poland. Osmand generated a lot of "keep left/riht" or "turn slightly 
> left/right" on a curvy road. That actually resulted in TTS audible spam
> so I finally turned it off to let my hearing relax. I'm keeping it
> silent for that reason as it hurts more than helps.

yes, I had the same issue this weekend - osmand kept talking to "links
einordnen" (or right) all the time, while staying on the same road for
many kilometers. It was wrong and annoying for 99.9% of its announcements.

It is that bad, I want an option to turn off that kind of "advice".

Schönen Gruß
Martin

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hyphenation

[Martin Trautmann]

Hi all,

does osmand support some kind of hidden hyphenation?

Here in Germany the speach says e.g.
"Günter-Stal" instead of "Günters-Tal" for Günterstal.

I'll try a literal translation: The first one would be gunter-iron, the
second one gunter's valley.

If there would be an option to give the name with a hidden hyphenation
as Günters–tal, the spell module could use a proper pronounciation,
while the hyphen would not be visible on the common map view, nor would
it destroy an address search.


BTW: I do live in an area here, which is named "March". Although this is
in Germany, osmand does pronounce it like the English month.

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Re: Speed camera data in navigation illegal in several counties

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On 19-09-26 22:51, Ik Beweeg wrote:
> Actually, it obviously encourages people to disobey the law,exceeding
> speed limits without penalty, because it actively warns them of possible
> detection by camera's.

So how about cars which can go faster than the actual speed limit. Does
this also encourage to disobey the law!?

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Re: Speed camera data in navigation illegal in several counties

[Martin Trautmann]

Am 26. September 2019 02:08:30 MESZ schrieb Poutnik Fornntp 
:
>But is not it rather funny, as the effective result is the same,
>sharing 
>the data ?

No, obviously not. 

The claim was, that the existence of the data itself is illegal. But that's 
wrong if the co-driver is not forbidden to use them. 

So here it is illegal to tick the box to give warnings for the driver, but it 
is not illegal to have its info within the map data. 


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Re: Speed camera data in navigation illegal in several counties

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-09-25 21:13, Ik Beweeg wrote:> I noticed that OSMand contain data
on speed cameras.
> As noted on openstreetmap, having this in navigation is illegal in
> several countries - when detected on inspection police may even take de
> device from you. Note that use is not the issue, having the data and
> option is already illegal.
> This data therefore should be removed from the standard maps, and
> provided as separate download.

In which countries is possession illegal?

In Germany the usage is illegal - but for the driver only. The co-driver
might use it.

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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-07-18 14:40, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
> 
> 
> Op do 18 jul. 2019 om 10:26 schreef Martin Trautmann  <mailto:tr...@gmx.de>>:

> I do not understand why it would have to be that way.
> 
> 
> It doesn't have to be that way. It is simply one of the multiple ways:
> using favorites, map markers, addresses, "search on map", shift every
> possible (intermediate) point to another location or do it automatically
> (salesman algorithm).
> And who cares that it also calculates a new route immediately? You can
> just continue adding/shifting points.
> 
> It is just that this QA is so enormously stubborn that he only wants it
> to work the old way. So I showed him one other way which I thought would
> be most simple to him.

It's good to learn about an alternative, if the old version does not
work any longer.

But to imply that you have to think and work in a certain way, for no
other reason than a design flaw (?) that broke the other way - I do not
agree here.

Personally, I have my own problems with osmand, not keeping its destination.

Whenever I enter a destination, but do not start immediately, the
destination is gone and not even visible within the history - which
would be the least where it should be kept.

It happend both by leaving osmand with the back button, the home button
or the jump to another app, but it did not happen every time. However,
when I started the track and did any of those, the destination was kept,
as expected.

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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-07-12 13:13, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
> Your approach actually asks for another  "preparation". You should first
> make your first route point your destination, and then add your home
> address again as subsequent destination (whatever that is in your
> language). Then continue with the intermediate points.

I do not understand why it would have to be that way.

Each of the approaches should work - otherwise it's a bug.
Maybe it's not the common approach to do it this way - but I do not see
any reason why it would be forbidden or unreasonable.

Personally, I do set a destination and do add intermediate points
interactively from the map - but why not add them from favorites?

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Re: upload OSM note

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-07-17 18:29, Kevin Kenny wrote:
> When I go to openstreetmap.org, log in, and go to my profile, I see
> links at the top of the profile page to 'My Edits', 'My Notes', 'My
> Traces', 'My Diary' and 'My Comments'

Yes, you are perfectly right - there they are, as I found out by now.

I guess I had expected a more obvious counter number to pop up behind
"My Profile" or "My Notes" - which does not, yet.

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Re: upload OSM note

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On 19-07-17 16:54, Greg Troxel wrote:
> Martin Trautmann  writes:

>> So where did my osmand OSM notes end up?
> 
> There is a notes database.  They each have a number and content, which
> is coordinates, author, text and then comments.
> 
> To see notes:
> 
>   on the osm website, click map layaers and enable notes.  open notes
>   are red, recently closed notes green

Ah, thanks, now I found it, both on openstreetmap and its editor.

It's not what I expected - but that's an OSM topic, I guess, to add your
personal notes to your personal profile.

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upload OSM note

[Martin Trautmann]

Hi all,

I tried to upload my OSM note. (German: OSM Notizen hochladen)

Upload with my user name worked - but I do have no idea where they do
end up. I do not see any hint within my openstreetmap profile.

So where did my osmand OSM notes end up?

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Re: Keeping destination in OsmAnd

[Martin Trautmann]

My observation was that the destination is gone when I stop/pause the
routing - because I prepared it earlier, but did not want the lady talk
to me all the time with "gps signal lost", while I did not start yet.

Personally, I'm glad to see a search history - and I am disappointed
that the actual search is lost from the history. I did not understand
yet what is kept as history, but the results appear incomplete.

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Re: What's up with map updates?

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-07-10 12:35, Majka wrote:

> No, you need ONE full download of the map. Then, depending on the
> frequency and size of the changes, you simply download the deltas (live
> update) as you want/need. Some time later (might be several months or
> even years), OsmAnd MIGHT be slowing down, because you'll work with the
> "normal" file + several separate delta files. Then, it is time to
> download the full map again. This will remove the deltas, and you can
> start again. But apart of the possible slow-down, there is nothing there
> needing the new full download, you can simply continue with the live
> updates only.

So there are two different opinions.

If deltas were that reliable, it would be a much faster and simpler task
to derive monthly updates from them.


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Re: What's up with map updates?

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-07-09 17:47, 'Xavier' via Osmand wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 02:44:08PM +0200, Martin Trautmann wrote:
>> On 19-07-04 20:14, Greg Troxel wrote:
>>> osmand live provides files that contain differences from published
>>> map files.  So with a fairly recent map (and it seems to not have to
>>> be the most recent one), and the delta updates, you have up to date
>>> data.
>>
>> If this mechanism would be that easy, why would it be so time
>> consuming to create new map updates for every month?
> 
> Likely because the base monthly maps are not generated from the delta
> difference files, but by reprocessing the entire OSM dataset anew each
> time (the planet osm datafile, when uncompressed, is about 1 terabyte).
> 
> And, anticipating a "why" question, one would process the data this way
> to prevent a common problem when handling long chains of delta data.  If
> any piece of delta data in the middle of the chain is missed everything
> after the missed data that depends from the missed data turns into garbage.

If the mechanism is reliable, it would be sufficient for that task.
You could spread the load by building e.g. two of three from the delta,
while the third is built from scratch.

But as you tell me, using Osmand Live would require BOTH delta updates,
as well as a monthly full (proper?) reload of the maps?

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Re: What's up with map updates?

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-07-04 20:14, Greg Troxel wrote:
> Martin Trautmann  writes:
> 
>> Sorry, but I do feel that OSMAND Live is pretty much useless, to offer
>> updates "EVEN PER HOUR", if in fact the maps are delayed by weeks for
>> the regular monthly schedule.
> 
> It would be good to understand how it works before declaring them
> useless.

It would be even better to get this info, other than buying this option
first.

What is it that you can learn from https://osmand.net/osm_live about
this kind of behavior?

> osmand live provides files that contain differences from published map
> files.   So with a fairly recent map (and it seems to not have to be the
> most recent one), and the delta updates, you have up to date data.

If this mechanism would be that easy, why would it be so time consuming
to create new map updates for every month?

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Re: What's up with map updates?

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-06-17 15:54, V S wrote:
> All maps are updated now. Please use OsmAnd Live subscription and you
> will get incremental map updates every hour.
> Our full generation map update is becoming more complicated and this
> month it was delayed by 5 days because of hardware issues though it is
> expected that it could take 2-3 weeks and maps of 1st/XX/20YY will be
> produced at 20/XX/20YY
Sorry, but I do feel that OSMAND Live is pretty much useless, to offer
updates "EVEN PER HOUR", if in fact the maps are delayed by weeks for
the regular monthly schedule.

Personally, I do not need regular updates for an area I traveled last
year only. I do a monthly update for my local area. As of today, the map
available is still from the month before.

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Re: Free version or Osmand+

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The great thing about osmand: it's based on the OpenStreetMap. Thus you can fix 
errors on your own. Each improvement you find will help all others.

However, bicycle routing is based on a single set of rules. You may compare 
with other bicycle routing, based on osm, which do provide different setups for 
shortest or fastest track. You may use OsmAnd here but should check with other 
tools whether there may be a better route.

Do you have
* an excellent screen, which is bright enough for direct sunlight? Mine isn't, 
but navigation by speech helps.
* hub generator and USB charger? Otherwise you may run out of battery within 
days or even hours. 
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speach announcement: gps signal lost/found

[Martin Trautmann]

Hi all,

is there any chance to disable the announcements when gps signal is lost
or found again?

I did not find any option anywhere.

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Re: Osmand useless for GPX navigation? want return to missed waypoints

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-03-14 15:58, Bart Eisenberg wrote:> This video is my take on how
to navigate on the road with an imported
> GPX. See how my experience compares with yours.
> https://youtu.be/mMcw4kYmfPk

Thanks Bart,

that's an excellent video to demonstrate what you can do here.
Very well done, you put plenty of effort into it!

I feel it takes far too much effort to prepare a route the way you did.
However, is it possible to export this GPX track, including the GPX
waypoints and names? Then it might be helpful to give them others, e.g.
for bicycle routes and including special POIs.

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Re: Osmand useless for GPX navigation? want return to missed waypoints

[Martin Trautmann]

On 19-03-14 11:27, limomob...@gmail.com wrote:
> I open the OSMAND+ app and start navigation with my GPS track. I have 1
> point about every 10 km to force the desired route. Osmand snaps the
> navigation on the road automaticly and the navigations works perfect.
> Maybe I should create the route with more points? Will it ignore the
> missed point as soon it arrives at the next point? BTW, I create tracks
> with ITN converter.

Do you have actual waypoints in between? Then Osmand will try to go
there, even if you passed it.

My worst case was a waypoint which I set on a highway in oder to ease
routing for more than 200 km distance.

Unfortunately, this waypoint ended up on the wrong side of the highway.
Thus osmand wanted me to leave on an exit after, return on the other
side, back to the next exit, then go on to my final destination.

Waypoints are removed only if you had reached them close enough. If you
missed then, you have to remove them manually.

But if you did use a GPS track to follow, it should remove older track
points once you are closer to your goal.

So it's not osmand's fault, but your mistake how to set and use waypoints?

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Re: Land rendered as water - Please advise

[Martin Trautmann]

On 18-12-16 13:54, Harry van der Wolf wrote:
> This has happened multiple times in the past with multi-polygons,
> especially on borders (boundaries), be it country, region, county,
> "regierungsbezirk", "bundesland", "province", "provincie", etc.
> The fact that you mention that it happens between England and Wright
> confirms this.
> It is not necessarily an OsmAnd bug (cutting polyogons on boundaries),
> but can also be due to errors in the (multi)polygons itself because they
> are broken, interrupted, corrupt, or else.

When I did observe this last time, the effect happened, depending on the
zoom level. If you zoomed out, water changed to land again. Thus I
believe, it's not a broken polygon, but an osmand bug, while using
polygons which do span more than the calculated area.

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Re: Karten-Update für Deutschland - Baden Württemberg, Bayern u.a.

[Martin Trautmann]

Am 15. November 2018 09:25:43 MEZ schrieb Maarten Deen :
>I find it unworkable to split up into so many parts. I'm not a
>topography 
>major. When I go from my home to, lets say, Les Arcs France for skiing,
>I 
>don't know which departments of France I'm going to traverse? I don't
>know 
>which maps to download.

You don't use the feature to zoom out of the map until the downloaded maps 
become visible by green background and then click on the white areas close to 
your probable route in order to download those maps? 

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Re: Display of actual Coordinate

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On 18-10-09 13:20, Karsten wrote:
> I'm searching for a possibility to display the actual coordinate on screen.
> What I'm looking for is either a set in the to top right corner showing
> me the coordinate under the center dot, or a grid view which can be
> toggled to give the position.
> Is there an option somewhere which I'm missing?

I don't know why you would like to have such an option, to always
display the current coordinate. I guess you should not use osmand for
that purpose, but any kind of gps app.

You can see the actual coordinates by setting a marker to a certain
position, as here:
  http://666kb.com/i/dxpm38irevelequps.png

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Re: routing.xml

[Martin Trautmann]

On 18-08-25 16:54, Bert Van de Velde wrote:
> Anyone with a separate routing xml. That knows how this works?

I did use it.

Make sure to have the latest osmand for the latest routing.xml

It's just besides the map files.

However, osmand kept crashing more frequently than without. Thus I do
rename it to routing90.xml whenever I do not need it: I had changed the
maxspeed to 90 (traveling with a trailer)

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Re: Routing with OsmAnd

[Martin Trautmann]

As you suggested, I do select a point on the highway. You only fail once to 
select the proper side. DTGNT. 

Next time everyone will make sure to zoom in deep enough to select the proper 
side

It's always risky to rely blindly on the routing. I had several times that 
osmand wanted me to leave the highway, just to come back again. However, the 
missed point in between will try to bring you back to the point you missed. If 
you travel on your own, you will have to stop and delete this goal.
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Re: Speed assumptions

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Ah, thanks

I moved it to /storage/7AF0-1018/Android/data/net.osmand.plus/files/routing.xml

I guess it now does read the file.

Because now osmand+ keeps crashing whenever I start it.

I'll try later on with an unmodified routing.xml
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Re: Speed assumptions

[Martin Trautmann]

Am 5. August 2018 19:15:52 MESZ schrieb Jack Burke :
>You can, but not in the application itself. You have to download the
>routing.xml file from the github repository, change the default speed
>limits, then save it to your OsmAnd data directory  

Thanks, that's a great idea. But how do I do that? I changed the car's maxspeed 
from 130 to 80.

Within the osmand data directory in the SD Card I created a subdirectory 
routing and moved routing.xml in there.

There's still a default osmand dir on the internal memory.

I did not see any other routing.xml anywhere else. Should there be one?

However, the travel time is still the same. I guess it did not use my 
routing.xml.

Did I do it right? What's wrong?

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Re: Speed assumptions

[Martin Trautmann]

On 18-04-12 19:20, 'P Wat' via Osmand wrote:
> Hi
> Using Osmand+ in Nautical mode with Brouter in "River" mode.
> 
> Question (1) Is there a way to reduce the assumed speed - The existing
> settings seem to assume about 5 miles (statute) in 25 minutes.
> Reason for question = A great many boats average half that!  Journey
> time and ETAs are currently way too short.

I'd welcome this option, too.

We will go on the next trip with a trailer - that's a max speed of 80
km/h instead of the assumption of 130 (?) km/h. Thus it would be
possible to use smaller, shorter roads instead of the major, but
sometimes longer highways.

Is there any option where to define the speed?

Schönen Gruß
Martin

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Re: osmand+ keeps forgetting about the SD card

[Martin Trautmann]

On 17-12-16 15:28, Jack Burke wrote:
> Martin, what device do you have, and which Android (and OsmAnd) version? 

It's a Motorola E+ with Android 6.0

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night mode: zoom or shift refills with white background

[Martin Trautmann]

Hi all,

when you start to accelerate or when the map view shifts, it usually
shows an empty white background, until it is redrawn with the proper map
information.

Unfortunately, the same happens in night mode, too. This does cause an
irritiating white flash which disturbs focus and concentration while
driving through the night.

Please fix this to refill with BLACK background when you are in night mode.

Thanks,
Martin

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osmand+ keeps forgetting about the SD card

[Martin Trautmann]

hi all,

for the last months osmand forgets about the SD card which holds all the
maps.

I don't know whether this is an osmand problem or one of my device and
android - but when I change over to a memory app, this one does show the
SD card and the osmand maps.

So I guess osmand looks too fast for the SD?

Currently I have to reboot the device, It's not enough to terminate and
restart osmand. That's annoying. Is there anything what osmand can do
about this?

Schönen Gruß
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Re: Achtung, Bahnübergang - railway vs. tram

[Martin Trautmann]

On 17-11-27 16:48, guy vanvuchelen wrote:
> try: directions -> settings -> navigation settings (bottom of the
> screen) -> announce -> warnings.
> Of course, other warnings, too, will not be announced.

Thanks, but turning off all warnings is too much. You may differ already
for pedestrians crossings. Tram crossings as an option of its own would
be helpful, too.

Thanks,
Martin

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Achtung, Bahnübergang - railway vs. tram

[Martin Trautmann]

Hi all,

is there an option to turn off the warning for

  attention, railway crossing

If you do live in a town with trolley lines, this warning is rather
annoying. The warning does not differ between (rare) railways and
frequent tram lines.


Thanks,
Martin

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Re: Navigating from non-current location

[Martin Trautmann]

On 17-08-05 20:03, Pere Pujal i Carabantes wrote:


On my phone, WikoWax, Android4.3 osmand~ 2.6.3, it calculates the route just by 
selecting the points, so I can explore it, then, only if I press the Go button, 
it recalculates the route from my position, so it works fine here.


Hm. I guess, I never had enough patience to wait for the route to 
compute on its own, without pressing the go button.


However, I feel the concept is flawed. Why should "go" compute from the 
current location only, even if I select a from other than the current 
location?


And even worse, sometimes the go does compute from the current location, 
but sometimes it doesn't.


- Martin

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Re: Navigating from non-current location

[Martin Trautmann]

On 17-08-05 19:41, Martin Trautmann wrote:

When you select a from other than the current location, routing should 
be possible between from and to, even without current location and 
active gps, calculating route, distance and time.


Hm - it's not a permanent bug. It just worked as expected.
Before, it added an offset of 500 kilometers and 15 hours, due to my 
current location.


Schönen Gruß
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Re: Navigating from non-current location

[Martin Trautmann]

On 17-08-05 02:02, Harold Munn wrote:

Thanks, Bart. I understand how to enter the two points, and I have been doing 
exactly what you describe. However,shortly after entering the two points, 
OsmAnd will report 'recalculating route'  and will then show the route from my 
current location to the 'to' point.


I can confirm what I consider as a bug, too.

It does show the proper route between from and to.
But it always does compute the route from the current location, for 
distance and time. If you turn of gps for the current location, you 
can't start the routing due to the missing location.


But routing starts only via pressing the "go".

So you can't compute from a from, but always just from your active and 
current location. I feel that's a bug,


When you select a from other than the current location, routing should 
be possible between from and to, even without current location and 
active gps, calculating route, distance and time.


- Martin

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Re: Unable to change Storage Folder to SD Card on Android 4.2.1

[Martin Trautmann]

On 17-04-14 08:25, Nico W wrote:

me
I finally figured it out. Apparently Samsung (or android developers) changed the file 
structure. If you use the standard "my files" option it will not show. Total 
Commander showed a file 686E-6BD2 with net.osmand.plus. It had all my previous maps, poi, 
tracks, the whole nine yards. I deleted all my internal memory osmand files and manually 
made the file track in osmand settings as storage/686E-6BD2/net.osmand.plus and all my 
maps loaded.
In "maps download" it still shows device memory, not external (maybe developers 
can fix this) but with the amount of free space on my sd card, not anymore the little 
memory it showed before.
I googled it and this issue affects some devices running 6.0.1, not all.


Is this a problem of osmand or is this a general Android topic?

It feels just sick how to select a proper location, while the locations 
path is not shown anywhere (to me).


Maybe I'm alone - but the path 
/storage/6163-3530/Android/data/net.osmand.plus/files was not obvious to 
me while I expected something like /sdcard/osmand


Why is there no file manager to select a proper location anywhere? 
Instead of making this a part of Android, Android works exactly the 
opposite way to hide this kind of information?


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Re: osmand+ shows square empty boxes instead of symbols

[Martin Trautmann]

On 17-07-31 21:08, Martin Trautmann wrote:
my osmand+ shows just white square boxes, rounded corners, different 
border colors, where I would expect symbols and icons.


Any idea what got messed up here and how to fix it?

Can I just remove and reinstall it for this paid version?


I re-installed it. Works now as expected. Unfortunately, all my 
favorites where deleted this way.


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osmand+ shows square empty boxes instead of symbols

[Martin Trautmann]

Hi all,

my osmand+ shows just white square boxes, rounded corners, different 
border colors, where I would expect symbols and icons.


Any idea what got messed up here and how to fix it?

Can I just remove and reinstall it for this paid version?


Thanks,
Martin

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Re: Wrong suburb information

[Martin Trautmann]

On 16-11-05 13:01, Harry van der Wolf wrote:

It would be helpful if you at least mentioned where you encounter these
errors.
And whether you encounter it in multiple cities or only in once city.


I don't know the suburbs of that many cities. Such I recognized it 
within my home town only:


Map: Deutschland Bayern (Bavaria Germany)
City: Sulzbach-Rosenberg
Road: Hauptstraße

is shown with the suburb Siebeneichen. Other roads around this area all 
do show this suburb. That's a village several kilometers south of the city.


- Martin

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