[ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, KristinFind your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
Vaccination Information South Australia (VISA) at http://www.visainfo.org.au/ scroll down to the Hep B sect and read away. cheers Megan From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin BeckedahlSent: Friday, 20 October 2006 3:58 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, Kristin Find your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Trivial ? For hosp midwives
Hi Lisa, In our small rural hospital the MW fills in the bit on the birth reg papers regarding the date, Hospital, wt and MW, we also fill out the centerlink form and give it all to the woman with the baby's personal health record (Qld),Community health and sids stuff and various other educational stuff. Cheers Judy --- meg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lisa, At our hospital the parents fill the birth reg papers out. The midwife fills in the centrelink declaration and the ward clerk puts together a pack for the parents but they need to fill it in. Regards, Meg. - Original Message - From: LJG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Trivial ? For hosp midwives Hi all - am wanting to ask a silly question - when do you give out the birth registration forms and who fills them in? i.e. is this done by m/ws or ward clerks?? Thanks Lisa Feel free to pm me -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1816 (20061019) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. On Yahoo!7 Messenger: Share up to 1GB of files in the IM window http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
Hi Kristin, The Australian Vaccination Network (AVN) (http://www.avn.org.au/) and Think Twice: Global Vaccine Institue (http://www.thinktwice.com/) are 2 online resources that I am aware of. The Informed Voice Magazine (formally Informed Choice), may have something in back issues worth looking up. There is certainly another side of the coin when it comes to vaccines and parents should be able to have access to all the literature for and against :) Kind Regards, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, Kristin Find your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases
Mary Here are some: Ross, M.G. Gala, R. 2002. Use of umbilical artery base excess: algorithm for the timing of hypoxic injury. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 187:1: 1-9 Thorp, J.A., Dildy, G.A., Yeomans, E.R. et al. 1996 Umbilical cord blood gas analysis at delivery. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 175:3: 517-522 Harris, M., Beckley, S.L., Garibaldi, J.M. et al. 1996. Umbilical cord blood gas analysis at the time of delivery. Midwifery 12, 146-150 American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. 1991. Utlity of umbilical cord blood acid-base assessment. ACOG committee opinion No 138. In The ACOG 2002 Compendium of Selected Publications, Washington DC: ACOG Australian and New Zealand Perinatal Societies. 1995. The origins of cerebral palsy a consensus statement, MJA, 162: 85-90 Shaughn From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:07 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases Has something significant changed in the last 12 years then Mary? Lisa, the usual window, especially when technology and machines is concerned is 5 yrs. Sometimes older research is used when there are multiple research papers over a long period of time, like in newborn jaundice. What you could do Mary is ask them what research they are using to back up the use of cord gases and see how long ago that was produced. I have never collected a cord sample for gasses as I only practice in homebirth. I guess we could look up the protocols for taking the cord blood and see what the references. Could someone who works in a hospital do that for us please? MM
RE: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
Hi Kristin, I give parents information about how a baby might get Hep B (really only if mum is a carrier - and the consequences of this are dreadful) and the fact that there is a full course of Hep B vaccines in the normal immunisation schedule. It soon becomes apparent that it will rarely be necessary. However, only mum knows what exposure the baby may get to carriers in her own household, so she needs to know how teens and adults get Hep B. However, the carrier's blood still needs to get into the baby somehow, so the likelihood of that happening is still slim. If you provide all this info parents can make their own decision. No parent is going to willingly expose their baby to any risk of getting Hep B, so I believe it is safe to let them decide, without judgement, either way. Unfortunately this position has on occasion given me trouble. I have had parents say to their maternal and child health nurse that I said it was unnecessary for the baby to have the vaccine. This would be foolish, and I wouldn't do it because it is not my place to decide for the parents. You will find it difficult to find unbiased literature in the mainstream, but if you get info about Hep B generally, which is available in the mainstream, it still becomes clear that it is hard for a baby whose mother is not a carrier to get Hep B, certainly in the time until the first standard immunisations at 8 weeks, if they choose to have these. Best wishes, Nicole Carver. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dan Rachael AustinSent: Friday, October 20, 2006 5:14 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Hi Kristin, The Australian Vaccination Network (AVN) (http://www.avn.org.au/) and Think Twice: Global Vaccine Institue (http://www.thinktwice.com/) are 2 online resources that I am aware of. The Informed Voice Magazine (formally Informed Choice), may have something in back issues worth looking up. There is certainly another side of the coin when it comes to vaccines and parents should be able to have access to all the literature for and against :) Kind Regards, Rachael - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, Kristin Find your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth
I tackle Vit K and Hep B at the same time. I think the govt sites are pretty funny saying you should have the hep B but then saying how you get it. The logic of how it's contracted is usually enough for most people. Precocious bloody newborns ; ) J Hepatitis B and Vitamin K http://www.midwiferytoday.com/enews/enews0344.asp#main Quote: The recommended daily intake (RDI) of vitamin K is 10 mcg for infants. Human milk does not provide this much vitamin K to the breastfed baby at any stage of lactation, despite the fact that mothers on average consumed 670% of the adult RDI. In fact, nursing babies received on average only 7-13% of the RDI. Giving the mothers a modest daily supplement of 88 mcg/day did not increase breastmilk concentration of the vitamin. A large daily supplement, 5000 mcg, taken by breastfeeding mothers increased the amount of vitamin K in their milk to the same level with which formulas are fortified. Whether or not the RDI represents the amount of vitamin K that babies truly need is a matter that can be debated. The small quantities of vitamin K in human milk are adequate for most babies, as evidenced by the fact that the vast majority of breastfed babies do not develop vitamin K deficiency bleeding (VKDB). A single IM dose results in extremely high levels of vitamin K in the newborns' blood soon after injection: the peak median plasma concentration at 12 hours is 9000 times the normal adult level, and from one to four days after the injection the levels are about 100 times higher than in a normal adult. It is unknown what risk there is in exposing the newborn to these high concentrations of vitamin K. Cancer was suggested as a potential risk as early as 1983, but the evidence to date is inconclusive. General Discussion about Controversy over Administration of Vitamin K to Newborns http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/vitamink.html A huge wealth of info, treatises, discussions etc. http://gentlebirth.org/cgi-bin/query.pl?swishindex=%2Fusr%2Fhome%2Ffalcao%2Findex .swishmetaName=Keywordskeywords=vitamin+kdetail=yesmaxresults=40 Do a search for vitamin k here for the UK perspective. http://www.radmid.demon.co.uk Quote: Hep B info. This is from the Vic govts website which says all babies ought to be immunised but also tells you this is how you catch it Wow those newborns are precocious! How is hepatitis B spread? Blood The hepatitis B virus is present in the blood of an infected person. If infected blood enters another persons blood stream, that person may catch the disease. The disease can be spread by: Drug users sharing needles and syringes. Piercing the skin with equipment which is not properly cleaned and sterilised. Sharing razor blades or toothbrushes. One person's blood coming into contact with open cuts on another person. People who get blood transfusions do not run the risk of hepatitis B infection because blood donations are screened for the virus. You cannot catch hepatitis B from contact with urine or faeces unless they contain blood. Sex The virus can be spread if people have sexual intercourse without a condom. Mother to Baby Mothers who are carriers sometimes pass hepatitis B to their children. Some babies are infected in the womb or during birth. However, most infection occurs shortly after birth, so if the newborn baby is quickly immunised, he or she can be protected from the disease. - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hep B at birth Does anyone know of an article for parents or a link I could use for the 'other side of the argument' for Hep B shot at birth for my CBE couples..? I can only find the government prodcued brochures etc.. Thanks, Kristin Find your old friends and discover what they're doing now. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question
HI Lisa Am not at work until next Wednesday but will try and get hold of the title of the book that was sent down to the ward when we had the lac consultant tut tutting that the bub wasnt getting the expressed milk bub is also getting valp levels, platelets and LFTs done! Tiff J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] medication question Hi Tiff I have looked after a woman taking Olanzapine for Bi Polarrecently and she hasn't been able to breast feed, this information was gained through the WCH drug information service. She was changed from Sodium Valp to Olanzapine while pregnant due the the well known effects of the Sodium Valp on the baby. It was as well researched as we could make it. I worked in conjunction with the mental health service and the womens and Childrens. she had a fantastic homebirth and was gutted about the breast feeding. Who publishes the book on medications I would like to follow this up more closely. Thanks Lisa Barrett
RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question
Oh thats right - I am pretty sure Medication and Mothers Milk was the book they sent us! It said that these meds were L1 (safe) drugs for bubs? Tiff J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Grant and Louise McLeod Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:31 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] medication question Sue try medication and mothers milk by Tom Hale, it should be in any maternity unit or Mothersafe 02 93826539 or 1800 647 848 ABA have a great booklet, very new and co written with PANDA about PND. It has a table of common medication groups and also a pro/con of feeding and meds. Thicker than their usual booklet, All for $5.00 Louise [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 10/19/06 23:29:48 To: midwifery list Subject: [ozmidwifery] medication question Dear List-wives I have a new mum who normally takes Dexamphetamine for ADD (adult) and whose baby was quite growth retarded, probably as a result but no-one is saying that for sure. She has been off meds for a few weeks and is breast feeding her little bub, really wants to continue but is not doing too well off the meds and is getting quite scared of a repeat of PND that she had last time. Mimms wasn't greatly helpful apart from discouraging use in lactation and pregnancy - but as she had been using it in pregnancy anyway Do any of you have knowledge or experience of this med and effects in B/F? TIA Sue
RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question
Maybe the book you are thinking of is: Medications and Mothers Milk 2006, 12th Edition by Thomas Hale If you want more information about this book go to www.ibreastfeeding.com and go to the Books section. Hope this helps Shaughn From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Rene and Tiffany Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 5:40 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question HI Lisa Am not at work until next Wednesday but will try and get hold of the title of the book that was sent down to the ward when we had the lac consultant tut tutting that the bub wasnt getting the expressed milk bub is also getting valp levels, platelets and LFTs done! Tiff J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] medication question Hi Tiff I have looked after a woman taking Olanzapine for Bi Polarrecently and she hasn't been able to breast feed, this information was gained through the WCH drug information service. She was changed from Sodium Valp to Olanzapine while pregnant due the the well known effects of the Sodium Valp on the baby. It was as well researched as we could make it. I worked in conjunction with the mental health service and the womens and Childrens. she had a fantastic homebirth and was gutted about the breast feeding. Who publishes the book on medications I would like to follow this up more closely. Thanks Lisa Barrett
Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!!
Not to mention the "Pick my pretty baby"competitions. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! HI, They won't have free rein if we all (mothers and health professionals COMPLAIN) It amazes me that amidst the ocean of media report about healthy eating and obesity, the importance of breastfeeding is ignored, or ridiculed on television as it was on "Sunrise" yesterday morning (and probably will be on 60 minutes on the weekend) or crucified like it was on "Life at One" last week. The media needs to lift it's act, and they will only do so when they get the message from US. Yesterday morning "Sunrise" did an article on David Suzuki, talking about in 1992 more than 1/2 of the world's scientific Nobel Laureats wrote an open letter warning of the damage to the enviromnment. No media outlet in the world ran the story. Then Sunrise spoke about a poll they were running. Breast v. bottle, and the announcer tut-tutting about how breastfeeding was a personal choice and women shouldn't be judgemental of each other. Excuse me! they had just set it up! Breastfeeding is not a choice like wearing your blue top or your red top tonight. And getting information to women and health professionals has nothing at all to do with guilt - the usual excuse used by the media to ( and promoted by the formula companies to ultimately promote their wares) Anyway, as to complaining Write to your member of Parliament asking him to write to/forward on the material you send to Tony Abbott, Minister for Health. This way you kill 2 birds with the one stone. You educate your local MP and Let Tony Abbott know that health professionals and mothers of Australia are NOT HAPPY Also, write to the APMAIF panel, enclosing any brochures etc that you have. Don't worry about whether it is technically a breech of the agreement. If it is enough to offend you as a mother or a health professional, send it in - let them know how you feel! APMAIF SecretariatDepartment of Health and AgeingMail Drop Point 15GPO Box 9848ACT 2601 While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. You could write to the CEO Gill Callister [EMAIL PROTECTED] And send a copy to Minister Sheryl Garbutt at the same time. Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Arethe formula companies really giving infant FORUMULA samples to pregnant women here? Are they breeching the WHO Code so blatantly here? I thought it was fairly well regulated - unlike many other countries. If it does happen at the Expo, you should report them to the ABA for further action. Unfortunately they have free reign with that toddler milk crap in a can/drink dispensing machine whatever. Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Writing a complaint letter about inappropriate advertising of artificial baby "milk" might help you channel this rage. I HATE those stalls with a passion. You know that expo is really the Prams'n'Formula Expo, don't you? You'll also see lots of drug companies giving unbiassed (snort) show bags to pregnant women and even better, FORMULA companies giving SAMPLES and show bags to PREGNANT WOMEN. How's that for totally unethical, hey?! J - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Im going to be at the Melbourne Pregnancy, Babies and Childrens Expo in Melbourne starting tomorrow, and who else is my stand next to but . Karicare! I felt so angry the whole time setting up today - I have a really bad feeling they are going to be giving out toddler milk samples, ready to drink on the stand they have one of those drink dispensing machines with the clear plastic tops with a mixer inside it, you know like when you go to those ice-cream shops and they have slushies or juice in them swishing around? GrRRrrRrr! I hope I am wrong but they always hand out samples
Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!!
I was asked to judge a baby contest in the late 70's. Of course I was horrified at the time, but was compelled because of where I worked etc etc. I gave all the babies first prize. :-) ' They' didn't ask me again. :-) Great idea to send those letters Barb. I keep getting the official replies from some poor bunny in the 'office' - I know, I've been one myself at one time. But the numbers do matter. Each letter represents in political terms, 100 voters, so if everyone on this list wrote :-) politically yours, (which reminds me, I'm standing for the Democrats again next election, just got officially 'selected') Carolyn (Hastie) - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Not to mention the "Pick my pretty baby"competitions. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! HI, They won't have free rein if we all (mothers and health professionals COMPLAIN) It amazes me that amidst the ocean of media report about healthy eating and obesity, the importance of breastfeeding is ignored, or ridiculed on television as it was on "Sunrise" yesterday morning (and probably will be on 60 minutes on the weekend) or crucified like it was on "Life at One" last week. The media needs to lift it's act, and they will only do so when they get the message from US. Yesterday morning "Sunrise" did an article on David Suzuki, talking about in 1992 more than 1/2 of the world's scientific Nobel Laureats wrote an open letter warning of the damage to the enviromnment. No media outlet in the world ran the story. Then Sunrise spoke about a poll they were running. Breast v. bottle, and the announcer tut-tutting about how breastfeeding was a personal choice and women shouldn't be judgemental of each other. Excuse me! they had just set it up! Breastfeeding is not a choice like wearing your blue top or your red top tonight. And getting information to women and health professionals has nothing at all to do with guilt - the usual excuse used by the media to ( and promoted by the formula companies to ultimately promote their wares) Anyway, as to complaining Write to your member of Parliament asking him to write to/forward on the material you send to Tony Abbott, Minister for Health. This way you kill 2 birds with the one stone. You educate your local MP and Let Tony Abbott know that health professionals and mothers of Australia are NOT HAPPY Also, write to the APMAIF panel, enclosing any brochures etc that you have. Don't worry about whether it is technically a breech of the agreement. If it is enough to offend you as a mother or a health professional, send it in - let them know how you feel! APMAIF SecretariatDepartment of Health and AgeingMail Drop Point 15GPO Box 9848ACT 2601 While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. You could write to the CEO Gill Callister [EMAIL PROTECTED] And send a copy to Minister Sheryl Garbutt at the same time. Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Arethe formula companies really giving infant FORUMULA samples to pregnant women here? Are they breeching the WHO Code so blatantly here? I thought it was fairly well regulated - unlike many other countries. If it does happen at the Expo, you should report them to the ABA for further action. Unfortunately they have free reign with that toddler milk crap in a can/drink dispensing machine whatever. Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Writing a complaint letter about inappropriate advertising of artificial baby "milk" might help you channel this rage. I HATE those stalls with a passion. You know that expo is really the Prams'n'Formula Expo, don't you? You'll also see lots of drug companies giving unbiassed (snort) show bags to pregnant women and even better,
Re: [ozmidwifery] medication question
Thanks Tiff. I rerang the WCH (this is in Adelaide) and they still gave me the same story. Going to talk to the head honcho about this on Monday. I thought it may be related to dose as she is on a large one,but they think not. Apparently, according the them Olanzapine has very little over all research done on the effects. They also faxed me the information on it. Going to continue to follow it up as I feel very upset. We ( psychiatrist) and myself worked hard on this. We thought that the unit at the Women's would provide us with the best information and I thought I'd done my utmost to get it right. Will let you all know what they say. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Rene and Tiffany To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question Thanks Shaugn, Went to the site you are right that IS the book! For Lisa it says Olanzapine and valproate are okay for breastfeeding. Cheer! Tiff From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Shaughn LeachSent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:05 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question Maybe the book you are thinking of is: Medications and Mothers Milk 2006, 12th Edition by Thomas Hale If you want more information about this book go to www.ibreastfeeding.com and go to the Books section. Hope this helps Shaughn From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Rene and TiffanySent: Friday, 20 October 2006 5:40 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question HI Lisa Am not at work until next Wednesday but will try and get hold of the title of the book that was sent down to the ward when we had the lac consultant tut tutting that the bub wasnt getting the expressed milk bub is also getting valp levels, platelets and LFTs done! Tiff J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa BarrettSent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:36 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] medication question Hi Tiff I have looked after a woman taking Olanzapine for Bi Polarrecently and she hasn't been able to breast feed, this information was gained through the WCH drug information service. She was changed from Sodium Valp to Olanzapine while pregnant due the the well known effects of the Sodium Valp on the baby. It was as well researched as we could make it. I worked in conjunction with the mental health service and the womens and Childrens. she had a fantastic homebirth and was gutted about the breast feeding. Who publishes the book on medications I would like to follow this up more closely. Thanks Lisa Barrett
Re: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases
None of these references are particularly up to date. How interesting. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Shaughn Leach To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:22 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases Mary Here are some: Ross, M.G. Gala, R. 2002. Use of umbilical artery base excess: algorithm for the timing of hypoxic injury. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 187:1: 1-9 Thorp, J.A., Dildy, G.A., Yeomans, E.R. et al. 1996 Umbilical cord blood gas analysis at delivery. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology 175:3: 517-522 Harris, M., Beckley, S.L., Garibaldi, J.M. et al. 1996. Umbilical cord blood gas analysis at the time of delivery. Midwifery 12, 146-150 American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists. 1991. Utlity of umbilical cord blood acid-base assessment. ACOG committee opinion No 138. In The ACOG 2002 Compendium of Selected Publications, Washington DC: ACOG Australian and New Zealand Perinatal Societies. 1995. The origins of cerebral palsy a consensus statement, MJA, 162: 85-90 Shaughn From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Thursday, 19 October 2006 10:07 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases "Has something significant changed in the last 12 years then Mary?" Lisa, the usual "window", especially when technology and machines is concerned is 5 yrs. Sometimes older research is used when there are multiple research papers over a long period of time, like in newborn jaundice. "What you could do Mary is ask them what research they are using to back up the use of cord gases and see how long ago that was produced". I have never collected a cord sample for "gasses" as I only practice in homebirth. I guess we could look up the protocols for taking the cord blood and see what the references. Could someone who works in a hospital do that for us please? MM
RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question
Lisa - FYI my patient is on 500mg valproate mane as well as 500 mg valproate and 15mg Olanapine nocte. J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 10:07 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] medication question Thanks Tiff. I rerang the WCH (this is in Adelaide) and they still gave me the same story. Going to talk to the head honcho about this on Monday. I thought it may be related to dose as she is on a large one,but they think not. Apparently, according the them Olanzapine has very little over all research done on the effects. They also faxed me the information on it. Going to continue to follow it up as I feel very upset. We ( psychiatrist) and myself worked hard on this. We thought that the unit at the Women's would provide us with the best information and I thought I'd done my utmost to get it right. Will let you all know what they say. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Rene and Tiffany To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 7:56 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question Thanks Shaugn, Went to the site you are right that IS the book! For Lisa it says Olanzapine and valproate are okay for breastfeeding. Cheer! Tiff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Shaughn Leach Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:05 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question Maybe the book you are thinking of is: Medications and Mothers Milk 2006, 12th Edition by Thomas Hale If you want more information about this book go to www.ibreastfeeding.com and go to the Books section. Hope this helps Shaughn From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Rene and Tiffany Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 5:40 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] medication question HI Lisa Am not at work until next Wednesday but will try and get hold of the title of the book that was sent down to the ward when we had the lac consultant tut tutting that the bub wasnt getting the expressed milk bub is also getting valp levels, platelets and LFTs done! Tiff J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Friday, 20 October 2006 8:36 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] medication question Hi Tiff I have looked after a woman taking Olanzapine for Bi Polarrecently and she hasn't been able to breast feed, this information was gained through the WCH drug information service. She was changed from Sodium Valp to Olanzapine while pregnant due the the well known effects of the Sodium Valp on the baby. It was as well researched as we could make it. I worked in conjunction with the mental health service and the womens and Childrens. she had a fantastic homebirth and was gutted about the breast feeding. Who publishes the book on medications I would like to follow this up more closely. Thanks Lisa Barrett
Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!!
Well done Carolyn. Sally - Original Message - From: Heartlogic To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! I was asked to judge a baby contest in the late 70's. Of course I was horrified at the time, but was compelled because of where I worked etc etc. I gave all the babies first prize. :-) ' They' didn't ask me again. :-) Great idea to send those letters Barb. I keep getting the official replies from some poor bunny in the 'office' - I know, I've been one myself at one time. But the numbers do matter. Each letter represents in political terms, 100 voters, so if everyone on this list wrote :-) politically yours, (which reminds me, I'm standing for the Democrats again next election, just got officially 'selected') Carolyn (Hastie) - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Not to mention the "Pick my pretty baby"competitions. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! HI, They won't have free rein if we all (mothers and health professionals COMPLAIN) It amazes me that amidst the ocean of media report about healthy eating and obesity, the importance of breastfeeding is ignored, or ridiculed on television as it was on "Sunrise" yesterday morning (and probably will be on 60 minutes on the weekend) or crucified like it was on "Life at One" last week. The media needs to lift it's act, and they will only do so when they get the message from US. Yesterday morning "Sunrise" did an article on David Suzuki, talking about in 1992 more than 1/2 of the world's scientific Nobel Laureats wrote an open letter warning of the damage to the enviromnment. No media outlet in the world ran the story. Then Sunrise spoke about a poll they were running. Breast v. bottle, and the announcer tut-tutting about how breastfeeding was a personal choice and women shouldn't be judgemental of each other. Excuse me! they had just set it up! Breastfeeding is not a choice like wearing your blue top or your red top tonight. And getting information to women and health professionals has nothing at all to do with guilt - the usual excuse used by the media to ( and promoted by the formula companies to ultimately promote their wares) Anyway, as to complaining Write to your member of Parliament asking him to write to/forward on the material you send to Tony Abbott, Minister for Health. This way you kill 2 birds with the one stone. You educate your local MP and Let Tony Abbott know that health professionals and mothers of Australia are NOT HAPPY Also, write to the APMAIF panel, enclosing any brochures etc that you have. Don't worry about whether it is technically a breech of the agreement. If it is enough to offend you as a mother or a health professional, send it in - let them know how you feel! APMAIF SecretariatDepartment of Health and AgeingMail Drop Point 15GPO Box 9848ACT 2601 While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. You could write to the CEO Gill Callister [EMAIL PROTECTED] And send a copy to Minister Sheryl Garbutt at the same time. Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Arethe formula companies really giving infant FORUMULA samples to pregnant women here? Are they breeching the WHO Code so blatantly here? I thought it was fairly well regulated - unlike many other countries. If it does happen at the Expo, you should report them to the ABA for further action. Unfortunately they have free reign with that toddler milk crap in a can/drink dispensing machine whatever. Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!!
This put a huge smile on my face! Of course they should all have first prize A wonderful way to begin the day! 8- (Specs andmany chins - me I mean) - Original Message - From: Heartlogic To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! I was asked to judge a baby contest in the late 70's. Of course I was horrified at the time, but was compelled because of where I worked etc etc. I gave all the babies first prize. :-) ' They' didn't ask me again. :-) Great idea to send those letters Barb. I keep getting the official replies from some poor bunny in the 'office' - I know, I've been one myself at one time. But the numbers do matter. Each letter represents in political terms, 100 voters, so if everyone on this list wrote :-) politically yours, (which reminds me, I'm standing for the Democrats again next election, just got officially 'selected') Carolyn (Hastie) - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Not to mention the "Pick my pretty baby"competitions. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:37 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! HI, They won't have free rein if we all (mothers and health professionals COMPLAIN) It amazes me that amidst the ocean of media report about healthy eating and obesity, the importance of breastfeeding is ignored, or ridiculed on television as it was on "Sunrise" yesterday morning (and probably will be on 60 minutes on the weekend) or crucified like it was on "Life at One" last week. The media needs to lift it's act, and they will only do so when they get the message from US. Yesterday morning "Sunrise" did an article on David Suzuki, talking about in 1992 more than 1/2 of the world's scientific Nobel Laureats wrote an open letter warning of the damage to the enviromnment. No media outlet in the world ran the story. Then Sunrise spoke about a poll they were running. Breast v. bottle, and the announcer tut-tutting about how breastfeeding was a personal choice and women shouldn't be judgemental of each other. Excuse me! they had just set it up! Breastfeeding is not a choice like wearing your blue top or your red top tonight. And getting information to women and health professionals has nothing at all to do with guilt - the usual excuse used by the media to ( and promoted by the formula companies to ultimately promote their wares) Anyway, as to complaining Write to your member of Parliament asking him to write to/forward on the material you send to Tony Abbott, Minister for Health. This way you kill 2 birds with the one stone. You educate your local MP and Let Tony Abbott know that health professionals and mothers of Australia are NOT HAPPY Also, write to the APMAIF panel, enclosing any brochures etc that you have. Don't worry about whether it is technically a breech of the agreement. If it is enough to offend you as a mother or a health professional, send it in - let them know how you feel! APMAIF SecretariatDepartment of Health and AgeingMail Drop Point 15GPO Box 9848ACT 2601 While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. You could write to the CEO Gill Callister [EMAIL PROTECTED] And send a copy to Minister Sheryl Garbutt at the same time. Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] I need to vent!!! Arethe formula companies really giving infant FORUMULA samples to pregnant women here? Are they breeching the WHO Code so blatantly here? I thought it was fairly well regulated - unlike many other countries. If it does happen at the Expo, you should report them to the ABA for further action. Unfortunately they have free reign with that toddler milk crap in a can/drink dispensing machine whatever. Jayne -
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb? Janet
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? While you are at it, you could complain to the Victorian Office of Children about their decision to keep having their Maternal and child health nurses educated by Wyeth. WTF? My jokes about MCHNs being sponsored by formula companies isn't a joke? Where can I learn more, Barb? Janet
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
I don't know if it still happens now but about 8 years ago a formula company rep used to sponsor a Dom meeting in Adelaide with a lunch at a local cafe.I was told it was okay as he didn't put any signs up at the lunch.I tried to explain that this guy had all of these Dom midwives doing his advertising for him as he gave them dairies, measuring tapes etc, etc. So women would see that when they were visited. For that amount of business generated the formula company's way I said I wouldn't be so cheap and instead of a 10 buck lunch I would want an overseas holiday (just joking but you get my drift). I just don't think some people see or want to see, the big picture and think well we don't get anything for free and isn't this nice. Just recently some flyers came for a seminar on infant sleep and nutrition sponsored bya formula companywith doctors and dieticians of a children's hospital speaking at it. They were left there for midwives and parent ed teachers to attend. They are charging a few dollars which is new. So now you have to pay to spread their word. There is no such thing as a free lunch and there are always strings attached. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a mountain to climb as the whole birth thing. There is a whole network of 'lactavists' out there but I see very little difference (if any??) compared to almost 15 years ago when this was all bought to my attention :( Jayne - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Hi, I'd love to see some flyers or a website on that conference. Barb - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? I don't know if it still happens now but about 8 years ago a formula company rep used to sponsor a Dom meeting in Adelaide with a lunch at a local cafe.I was told it was okay as he didn't put any signs up at the lunch.I tried to explain that this guy had all of these Dom midwives doing his advertising for him as he gave them dairies, measuring tapes etc, etc. So women would see that when they were visited. For that amount of business generated the formula company's way I said I wouldn't be so cheap and instead of a 10 buck lunch I would want an overseas holiday (just joking but you get my drift). I just don't think some people see or want to see, the big picture and think well we don't get anything for free and isn't this nice. Just recently some flyers came for a seminar on infant sleep and nutrition sponsored bya formula companywith doctors and dieticians of a children's hospital speaking at it. They were left there for midwives and parent ed teachers to attend. They are charging a few dollars which is new. So now you have to pay to spread their word. There is no such thing as a free lunch and there are always strings attached. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Really? Is it really happening re Wyeth educating MCH nurses? Aren't there some Vic MCH nurses on this list? I read your email Barb. I complain, and complain, and complaincall hotlines/email, customer service lines, magazines etc. They always have an answer. Nothing changes. Sorry to sound negative. It seems to be as steep a
Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH???
Barb, My email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you want to contact me off the list. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, I'd love to see some flyers or a website on that conference. Barb - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? I don't know if it still happens now but about 8 years ago a formula company rep used to sponsor a Dom meeting in Adelaide with a lunch at a local cafe.I was told it was okay as he didn't put any signs up at the lunch.I tried to explain that this guy had all of these Dom midwives doing his advertising for him as he gave them dairies, measuring tapes etc, etc. So women would see that when they were visited. For that amount of business generated the formula company's way I said I wouldn't be so cheap and instead of a 10 buck lunch I would want an overseas holiday (just joking but you get my drift). I just don't think some people see or want to see, the big picture and think well we don't get anything for free and isn't this nice. Just recently some flyers came for a seminar on infant sleep and nutrition sponsored bya formula companywith doctors and dieticians of a children's hospital speaking at it. They were left there for midwives and parent ed teachers to attend. They are charging a few dollars which is new. So now you have to pay to spread their word. There is no such thing as a free lunch and there are always strings attached. Jackie - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] was I need to vent!!! now WYETH??? Hi, For a long time the Maternal and Child health nurses conference in Victoria have been sponsored by Wyeth. This year, in my opinion, they made a quantum leap. Wyeth ran the whole thing - took the registrations etc. In early September (after a number of letters) the Australian Breastfeeding Association, Victorian Branch met with the CEO of the DHS and an advisor to the Minister for Children, Sherryl Garbutt. Sadly, we were completely stonewalled. There was not a flicker of the understanding of the situation. We were told that about 500 Maternal and Child health nurses attended - and loved it, and they certainly wouldn't be stopping the practice anytime soon! Though they are tendering it out so other companies (formula companies?) have an opportunity to participate. The people we met with seemed genuinely unable to distinguish between marketing and philanthropy, and didn't believe that their nurses would be swayed by promotions like this. (Though there is plenty of evidence that Doctors and indeed the general public are influenced by these marketing strategies. And apparently everyone loved the lunch! I understand how frustrating it is to feel like you are complaining and nothing is happening. But it does. For Instance, last year the Maternal and Child Health nurses conference run by the Special Interest group of the ANF accepted massive formula co sponsorship in Melbourne. ABA (and other groups) made representation to them on this issue. The sponsorship prospectus for the same conference in Sydney in 2007 clearly explains that formula company sponsorship is not welcome. Bounty bags have become completely WHO code compliant - no formula advertising, no toddler milk advertising, no bottle and teat advertising. Last week the toddler Karicare muck *won* the parentsjury awards for smoke and mirrors advertising. I think a copy of your complaint should always go to your local MP with a request for it to be sent on to Tony Abbott with a please explain. Another place to get support and network in to other people's ideas is on the Australian Breastfeeding Association's forums. If you go to www.breastfeeding.asn.au and follow the links you should be able to find it OK, If people send me their e-mail addresses I can send the program for the Vic Maternal and Child health nurses conference Warm Regards, Barb - Original Message - From: jesse/jayne To:
