[ozmidwifery] magnetic underlays babies
Can anyone help me with this inquiry from a friend? Thanks. Cheers, Joanne "Do you know where I may find out whether magnetic underlays should be used where your baby may occasionally be fed in bed and sleep for a hour or two. I have searched the web but cant seem to find much"
[ozmidwifery] 'Stateline' being aired @ 7.30pm Fri 3rd June, a must see
Hi Ozmidders (esp. QLDer's),In the ABC promo last night for 'Stateline' being aired@ 7.30pm tonight (Fri 3rd June)it showed snippets of Cherrell Hurst being interviewed, should be be VERY interesting viewing tonight. She was the Reviewer of the recent Report on QLD's Birthing Services entitled"Re-Birthing". Cheers.Jo
Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil
Thanks to Miriam, Julie and Anne for your replies to my query re-evening primrose oil. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Julie Garratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil Hi Mim and Joanne, I as Mim says I've seen evening primrose oil used to ripen the cx of post date women in the Philippines 40+1-2 weeks. What we did was pierce a hole in the gel capsule (one) and squirt the contence around high in the vagina. Either these overdue women would have gone into labour anyway, it was placebic/psychological or just another excuse to stir things up a bit I cant be sure of unless someone does the research. Seemed to work, no side that I saw. Sorry I cant be more specific, I have been meaning to look this up but haven't had the reason or opportunity since I've been back. I read the list every day and have done for several years now, I find this midwifery collective consciousness invaluable:) Look forward to what you uncover. Julie (3rd year BMid fusa) - Original Message - From: Miriam Hannay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil --- Hi Joanne, I have no experience with this method but spoke some months ago to a fellow Bmid student who came across it while on a clinical placement at a free standing birth centre in the Phillipines. Apparently the capsule is pierced then inserted into the vagina where the contents are squirted around the cervix, i'm not aure of dose etc but the student (Julie) is aporadically onlist I think so i'll text her and ask her to post more specific details. hope you have good luck with it! regards, miriam (2nd yr bmid fusa). Hi all, Has anyone used/advised evening primrose oil vaginally to ripen the cervix of overdue women? If so, what dose? Is the capsule of oil opened first or does it dissolve once inserted. Any studies done on this procedure at all? What are the possible side effects and hazards? How overdue do you recommend to use it? How often can it be inserted? What time of the day is best to insert it? I've heard that a tampon can be used to help keep it in place, is this so? Thanks heaps. Cheers Joanne -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnancy Rash (Long)
Sorry Jo that this reply is so late, but might be helpful, taken from 2 different sources. By now of course you may have a babe in arms. Cheers, Joanne. Pruritic Urticarial Papules and Plaques of Pregnancy - PUPPP Pruritic urticarial papules and plaques of pregnancy (PUPPP), also known as polymorphic eruption of pregnancy, is the most common rash in pregnant women. It normally occurs in first pregnancies during the third trimester with an average onset of 35 weeks. Thankfully, PUPPP does not usually affect subsequent pregnancies. Appearance of PUPPPThe rash of PUPPP almost always begins in the stretch marks (striae) of the abdomen. It does not involve the belly button distinguishing it from other common rashes of pregnancy. The rash itself consists of small, red wheals in the stretch marks that grow together to form larger wheals on the abdomen. Sometimes the rash can include small vesicles. Over the next several days, the rash can spread over the thighs, buttocks, breasts, and arms.The rash is very itchy, or pruritic, hence the name. This condition is harmless to mother and baby, but can be very annoying. It lasts an average of 6 weeks and resolves spontaneously 1 to 2 weeks after delivery. The most severe itching normally lasts for no more than 1 week. Cause of PUPPPThe cause of PUPPP is unknown. It is not associated with preeclampsia, autoimmune disorders, hormonal abnormalities, or fetal abnormalities. Some investigators suggest that the rapid abdominal wall distension damages connective tissue and causes an inflammatory response. One study has shown that male fetal DNA can be found in skin biopsies of the rash. Since 70% of women with PUPPP give birth to boys, a new hypothesis is that male fetal DNA acts as a skin irritant. Diagnosis of PUPPPThe diagnosis of PUPPP is clinical, meaning it is based solely on the appearance of the rash. There are no laboratory tests that detect PUPPP. Skin biopsies are not generally performed unless there is a question about the diagnosis. Treatment of PUPPPThe treatment of PUPPP is symptomatic. High strength steroid creams or ointments used up to 5 to 6 times a day usually relieve the itching and prevent the spread of the rash. Once the rash is under control, changing to a lower strength steroid used less frequently is advisable. For severe cases, daily oral steroids may be necessary to control itching. Oral antihistamines are generally less effective for itching than steroids, but may be useful at night to help with sleep. Pruritic Urticarial Papules and Plaques of Pregnancy - PUPPPBackground: Pruritic urticarial papules and plaques of pregnancy (PUPPP) is a benign dermatosis that usually arises late in the third trimester of a first pregnancy. The entity previously had been reported as toxemic rash of pregnancy, toxemic erythema of pregnancy, and late-onset prurigo of pregnancy. The term polymorphic eruption of pregnancy (PEP) is used extensively in Great Britain, while PUPPP typically is used in the United States. PUPPP is the most common of the pregnancy-related dermatoses and typically resolves spontaneously within 1 week of parturition. Frequency: ·Internationally: PUPPP occurs in 1 out of 160-240 initial pregnancies. Mortality/Morbidity: No mortality is associated with PUPPP. The mere appearance of an unusual skin eruption in pregnancy can provoke anxiety, but the pruritus is the most distressing feature. The latter weeks of pregnancy can be associated with many physical symptoms, and the severe itching of PUPPP may further debilitate and aggravate sleep loss in the weeks prior to delivery. No known systemic complications exist for affected females, and fetal mortality or morbidity do not increase. Race: PUPPP may be less common in blacks. Sex: PUPPP occurs in females only. Age: PUPPP occurs during childbearing years because it is a dermatosis related to pregnancy. History: PUPPP typically begins with intensely pruritic papules arising within striae distensae late in the third trimester of a first pregnancy (11.7% of cases occur in multiparous women). In a few days, the eruption spreads to the trunk and extremities. Patients present for a diagnosis of their unusual skin eruption and seek relief from the intense itching. Physical: Classic PUPPP reveals papules within prominent striae distensae). Erythematous urticarial papules and plaques of the trunk and extremities also are observed, although the periumbilical area is spared. Small vesicles often are noted, but larger bullae do not occur and would suggest the more rare herpes gestationis. PUPPP usually does not affect the face, palms, or soles. Although the eruption is intensely pruritic, excoriations rarely are found. Causes: The cause and pathogenesis of PUPPP are not known. A meta-analysis reveals 11.7% of patients with PUPPP are multiple gestation pregnancies (within that group, a higher PUPPP risk for triplet (14%) than twin (2.9%)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth
Hi Tania, I would love to see the photo/s of this birth if you/the mother were willing to share them. You certainly are privileged to have witnessed these births. Cheers, Joanne. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth That's such a wonderful story Jan! I've had the pleasure of being at two breech births so far in my fledgeling career... My first 'catch' as a real midwife, at home on my own after my colleague left to be with another woman, out came two feet,the womanstood up out of the water and birthed her little girl into my hands. What an amazing induction into the world of trust and the amazing strength and ability of women. Then last year, a baby that firmly remained frank breech after ECV and all the other things you try when encouraging a baby to go head down. Mum soul searched and came to a peace about her baby's decision, and then made her own to stay at home as long as possible. Baby girl born into water, bottom first, have some magnificent photos of this little one emerging and legs kicking under the water. Interestingly, the bit lots of fear surrounds, the birth of the head, was quick and problem free, the head emerged as soon as one shoulder freed itself. I have been truly blessed. Tania
[ozmidwifery] Appropriate birth video
Can anyone recommend a birth video that may be appropriate for bothcaucasian clients and indigenous women? A midwife friend of mine on Thursday Island (QLD) is asking. Thanks. Cheers, Joanne.
[ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil
Hi all, Has anyone used/advised evening primrose oil vaginally to ripen the cervixof overdue women? If so, what dose? Is the capsule of oil opened first or does it disolve once inserted. Any studies done on this procedure at all? What are the possible side effectsand hazards? How "overdue" do you recommend to use it? How often can it be inserted? What time of the day is best to insert it? I've heard that a tampon can be used to help keep it in place, is this so? Thanks heaps. Cheers Joanne.
[ozmidwifery] Courier Mail article on Qld Maternity Services Review
http://www.couriermail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,15268550%255E3102,00.htmlPush to strip hospitals of birthingRenee Viellaris and Margaret Wenham13may05MATERNITY services should be stripped from hospitals and transferred to new holistic community "bub-hubs" to improve care for pregnant women and babies, a major report recommends.The Rebirthing report, which followed a sweeping review of Queensland's maternity services headed by Cherrell Hurst, also advised the State Government to expand midwives' clinical roles.Welcomed by the Australian Medical Association, midwives and maternity advocacy groups, the report said inconsistencies in a range of clinical areas across the state were of major concern.Women reported being disempowered and not respected and called for continuity of care, while health professionals felt under-valued by Queensland Health.Other recommendations included: the creation of an independent 10-15 member board called the Centre for Mothers and Families, which would facilitate and monitor reform; the reintroduction of birthing services in rural and remote communities; and an allowance to be paid to women who have to relocate to give birth.There were more than 450 submissions to the report, which described how "two distinct cultures" currently existed in maternity care the medical model and the natural model which needed to be reconciled.The 151-page report was tabled in State Parliament yesterday and will be sent to stakeholders for their feedback before the Government considers the recommendations.A spokesman for Health Minister Gordon Nuttall said there was no timeframe set but the reform process would be done quickly. Many of the recommendations are medium to long-term, and are aimed for 2010.Australian College of Midwives state president Jenny Gamble said to reorient maternity services in the way the report recommended would relieve doctor and midwife shortages."There will be less demand for doctors to be involved in low-risk births so their expertise will be used more efficiently," she said."And the reform will lead to the retention of midwives in the system who are currently leaving because they are so dissatisfied with the current model of care and the current culture of care where they are seen as subordinate to or in need of supervision by doctors."Dr Gamble said she also expected the reforms would result in a reduction in the high caesarean rate, without safety being compromised.AMAQ president Dr David Molloy said the report was "intelligent and carefully considered". "It provides a blueprint for gradual evidence-based change with a focus on safety in outcomes and on team management of pregnant women," he said.Dr Hurst's report found Queensland Health had a strategic plan that "scarcely" mentioned the care of pregnant women, new mothers and babies, and funding, which also came from the Federal Government, was structured around the health system's needs rather than families' needs.
[ozmidwifery] ACORN Standards
Can anyone point to where I can find the ACORN Standards and also what this acronym exactly stands for? Much appreciated. Cheers, Joanne.
Re: [ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane
There are no GMP's as yet in Bris. (I still live in hope). There are a few large Teams in a few of the tertiary hospitals. There is only one Birth Centre in Bris. operating within a teriary Hospital, which currently are not employing DEM's! (I hope they will in the future). As for as getting practice time in Brisbane Hospitals, I don't think you'd have a problem, but you'd have to apply to each of them separately. Get a list of Hospitals taking students from the QNC (Queensland Nursing Council). Don't forget the smaller Hospitals around Brisbane, i.e. Ipswich, Redcliffe, Caboolture, Redlands, Logan as well as further out such as Gold Cost, Nambour, Toowoomba. All these Hospitals have lots of births. Good Luck with your final year. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Tania Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery@Acegraphics.Com.Au ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 8:26 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] GMP's in Brisbane Hi everybody I'm in the final year of my BMid at UniSA and am wondering if there are 'places' in Brisbane who are willing to take on direct entry midwives for GMP. We (self, hubby and 3 kids) are thinking of moving up there next year so am putting out feelers now to see if it's a viable option or not. Also, we do a 4 week practicum placement in Oct/Nov this year - would it be possible to do this placement somewhere in Brisbane? If anyone has any info I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in anticipation! Tania Mum of Jai 6, Tyler 4 and Chelsea 20 months -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
I think this decision is a relatively new one by
this particular hospitalandis yet to be tested by any new
Australian DEM's. The Rego Board (called the QNC here) probably
isn't even aware of it.
Another interesting point, the QNC also has to
change one of it's by-laws 1st before QLD starts training their own DEM's
asone of their by-laws still state thata midwife must 1st be a
nurse! Theymay have already reviewed this by-law, but I have not
heard about it yet, it's the only thing holding up starting DEM"s
here.
Your email is the only ozmid mail that comes with
an attachment to me, but as you said,probably just part of your
email.
Cheers, Joanne.
- Original Message -
From:
Sally-Anne Brown
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:26
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Brisbane
hospitals alleged discriminatory employment
Thanks for the update Joanne and the reminder re
my anti virus update. Had been away for a few days and was updated
yesterday around the same time I was on line. Apologies I did not realise it
wasn't finnished when I sent the email through.
Nearly all my ozmid mail appears to have an
'attachment' when it comes in but actually doesn't. It is the email
itself that is the 'attachment' if you know what I mean. So the answer to your query is no I did not send an
attachment my guess is it was the email itself.
All the best for the campaign to have all
midwives employed who wish to work at the Brisbane hosi's you mentioned will
not employ DEM's. I think they would need to be very careful they are
not setting themselves up for a discrimination claim/s as it is the
registration board that determines whether the training requirements of all
midwives (here and o/s) have been met to register as a midwife, and not the
area health services. What does the QLD rego board think about the
hospitals taking the Rego board's laws into their own hands ?
One would think they might view this as the
hospitals stepping over the line, as onewould
imagine..!!
Kind Regards
Sally-Anne
- Original Message -
From:
Mrs
Joanne M Fisher
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:18
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing
my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the
humbug
Not sure why, but an attachment came with your
email, did you send one? Also, note at the bottom of this email the
out-of-date internal virus datatbase.
Cheers, Joanne.
- Original Message -
From:
Sally-Anne Brown
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:
testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for
the humbug
Helen,
The same thing has happenned to me over the
past 2-3 weeks. I find the odd one gets through and others
don't.
Kind Regards
Sally-Anne
- Original Message -
From:
Helen and Graham
To: Ozmidwifery
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing
my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the
humbug
I seem to be able to receive from but not
send to the list.I have contacted the list administrator but
haven't heard anything back yet
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[ozmidwifery] Graduating Direct Entry Midwives
It was recently stated at the Review of Maternity Services Forum, that the Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital will NOT be employing graduating Direct Entry Midwives! There are however, DEM's already employed there currently e.g. from NZ. However, 3 years is a long time and I'm sure by then things will be different. Hopefully QLD will catch up with all you other states and by then and might even be producing our own DEM's! Good luck with your studies. Midwifery is a WONDERFUL profession (though not without it's challenges!) Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] newbie after some help :) Hi everyone, I've been reading everyones posts with great interest over the last few weeks and I have to say that everyone has such a great amount of knowledge combined it's fantastic and inspirational! I'll take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Holly I'm a first year bmid student at uts in nsw. This is the first year nsw has run the course and I am one of only 29! We all feel very honoured to have been chosen to do this course but overwhelmed and a bit scared!! I have four children who keep me very busy, but a fantastic husband and a very flexible nanny who have been my lifeline in the first four weeks (only 3 years to go! yipee!!) So my question is : I'm doing a critical reflection on an incident i observed in delivery 2 wks ago. I'm after articles etc that are about fear of pain in labour which can lead to ineffective pushing. Also relevant would be articles on how the pain of labour/childbirth can lead to delayed bonding between mother and baby. Pardon me if I use incorrect language in my descriptions (i'm struggling with the politically correct stuff). I'm also interested in knowing if Royal Hospital in Brisbane will look at employing bmids in 3 yrs time? I think someone on here is from that hospital? Thanks for you time and help in advance. ps - I have searched [EMAIL PROTECTED] with limited success -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug
Not sure why, but an attachment came with your email, did you send one? Also, note at the bottom of this email the out-of-date internal virus datatbase. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug Helen, The same thing has happenned to me over the past 2-3 weeks. I find the odd one gets through and others don't. Kind Regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 5:13 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: testing my email again as I am receiving but unable to send - sorry for the humbug I seem to be able to receive from but not send to the list.I have contacted the list administrator but haven't heard anything back yet Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.8.0 - Release Date: 21/03/2005
[ozmidwifery] Home birth with a midwife on a Current Affair
Any idea when it will be aired Jan? - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] letter to the ed in Adelaide... Great effort Jo.Keep up the pressure everybody - we want the public to become aware of how important it is to have a known midwife with you at birth.We should be seeing a nice home birth with a midwife soon on a Current Affair - keep watching the program.JanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 22 Feb, 2005, at 17:24, Tania Smallwood wrote: HiJust a quick mail to say congratulations to Jo Bainbridge for her excellent letter to the editor in todays Advertiser, outlining the importance of the first group of DE midwives and the vision we all have for every woman to have her own known midwife. Well done Jo!Tania
Fw: Fw: [ozmidwifery] RE CHoices to VBAC
I am passing this on from Jenny. - Original Message - From: Jenny Gamble To: Mrs Joanne M Fisher Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [ozmidwifery] RE CHoices to VBAC Hi Jo I do not currently subscribe to ozmidwifery - can you post this for me Re Mandalaine She wasn't planninga homebirth and what if she was? we either respect women's right to informed choice or we don't. I agree with you Sue - the argument about application of the evidence ifs often used like a political football - those wanting to assert control often use it slectively - mostly ignoring the evidence that women want to retain control over decision making within a respectful and supportive environmentand have better outcomes when they do. Regards Jenny DrJennyGamble,LecturerConvenor,MasterofMidwiferyProgramSchoolofNursing,GriffithHealthGriffithUniversityLoganCampusUniversityDrive,MeadowbrookQueensland4131Phone0733821083 -"Mrs Joanne M Fisher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -To: "Jenny Gamble" [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: "Mrs Joanne M Fisher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: 10/2/2005 12:09PMSubject: Fw: [ozmidwifery] RE CHoices to VBACA question and comment for you Jenny and others from Oz mid.Jo- Original Message - From: "Sue Cookson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:32 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] RE CHoices to VBAC Hi Jenny, (and others), Just interested in Robyn Turnbull's reply to you re the Caboolture woman's 'medical condition' that was not disclosed in the newspaper coverage. Do you have any idea what that was - and also I've been contacted by the Vacc Awareness Group who believed the woman had planned a homebirth. The Courier Mail story alludes to that ... was this really what it was about?? Reporting to DOCS etc seems to be the new way to control ... all of us. Two of my women have been reported in the last 2 years for their choices ... This new 'best practice' cry is also very handy for those wishing to not support our rights to make choice - it was used in this case, and also for a woman who was transferred out of a low key hospital to a higher level one at full dilation to a c/section when it was discovered her baby was breech... even though the drs in both hospitals were competent with breech. Sounds like 'best practice' overrides safety and evidence based information to me. What a strange world we have created. Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Is the Ozmid List quiet?
Hi there, Just wondering if the Ozmid List has been quiet since the 26th Jan as I have not received anything since then and I also checked the achives and it seems to also indicate the last email being the 26th! Cheers, Joanne Fisher.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!!
Hi Jodie, Fantastic news!!! Can't imagine how she must be feeling right at the moment. Were you there for the birth? Also, I spoke to Deidre about the Calendars and she agreed that we could sell them for $10 now and then after Easter we could sell them for $5. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 8:21 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Triumphant birth for Caroline (Cas) McCullough!! This is a quick note to all Cas's friends in birth reform. At 5.45 this am, Adam Samuel McCullough was roared into this world with the love and perseverence of mum Caroline and dad Wayne at Selangor Private Hospital near Maleny (Qld) with midwives Lynne and Vicki. After a lng pregnancy and a lng pre-labour he only took a rapid 5 hours (or so) to greet his parents. Naturally Cas and Wayne are ecstatic to have achieved a totally natural vaginal birth after two prior caesareans!! Please send your congratulations and support to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please feel free to pass on the news! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Incidence of meconium
Hi Leanne, I too, would love to read this article. I work in a major hospital that still does suction on the peri with meconium liquor. If it is not a problem you could fax it to me on 07- 36362323, and just mark it Attention: Joanne Fisher. Thank you very much. Cheers, Joanne. Hi Sue, It really is a terrific article about birthing in the caul. I'm sure I also have an article somewhere about how suctioning the baby on the peri actually stimulates the baby to take a breath and thus meconium is drawn into the lungs whereas if the baby is not touched just the pressure exerted on the baby's chest by maternal contractions will empty the lungs ... I will do some searching ... I can fax articles to you if you wish or send them by snail mail if that is more convenient - let me know. I will now go and hunt through my filing cabinet for those articles before my next client arrives. Leanne. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] This is truly fantastic news
This is truly fantastic news. We can only hope that this is just the beginning of change in thinking amongst our polititions throughout Australia. Joanne - Original Message - From: Callum Kirsten To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Sue Kildea ; Steve Kim Stead ; Sonya McNellee ; Shani Bryceson ; Rochelle (DHBG) ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Jenelle Craggs ; Ilana Eldridge (greens) ; Grusha ; Helen Montgomery ; CEA Darwin ; Catherine McKay ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Thank you Thank you to everyone who wrote, faxed, mailed, rung, and generally helped in the campaign forbirth choicein the NT. The government have come to the party and whilst there are a few things to be ironed out, it is AMAZING!! I congratulate esp. Ginny and Maternity Coalition, who have done a tremendous job. Where would Australian maternity services be without them and the power of Australian woman and midwives... The NT is now no longer in the dark ages and we are going to show the rest of Australia how it's done! Lets hope the other states follow... Kirsten Kirsten DobbsMaternity Coalition NT presidentDHBG Vice President Ph 08 89856025Mobile 0439846053 ~~~start life with a midwife~~~
Re: [ozmidwifery] restless legs in pregnancy
Hi Jenny, Go to www.birthinternational.com and click on the ozmidwifery tab. Then click on archives. Click on the appropriate time frame of when you think this topic was discussed on Ozmid, eg. from July 2001. Then you can put a search on by writing in your keyword in the "find" box,i.e. restless legs and you should get up the discussions that Ozmid has had on this subject. Good Luck. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Price To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 9:55 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] restless legs in pregnancy I know this is a rehash but I cannot find where I saved the suggestions/info for this condition to assist a client of mine.. can anyone send me the info??? thanks Jenni***This email, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost, if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/received in error.Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this email is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters.If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this email in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return email. You should also delete this email and destroy any hard copies produced.***
[ozmidwifery] Experience of mothering
FYI ENCOUNTER: Pondering All These ThingsSunday 17 October, 7.10am, Radio NationalFor many women, becoming a mother is a profound experience, provoking manyintense changes in her life and identity. And yet, culturally, mothering ismade to seem an ordinary or 'instinctive' process - its complexitiesfrequently collapsing into static images and patronising sentiments. Thisweek's program ponders the experience of mothering as a largely untappedresource for serious reflection on theology and ethics, frustration andfulfilment - and even world peace. (This program was first broadcast on 30November 2003.)http://www.abc.net.au/rn/relig/enc/
Re: [ozmidwifery] Active Birth classes at Redcliffe south of Brisbane?
She could also contact Meredyth Sauer on 38821774 or 0407117297 who does Pregnancy Yoga classes on the north side of Brisbane. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Jodie Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Active Birth classes at Redcliffe south of Brisbane? Redcliffe is to the *north* of Brisbane. She could contact Suzanne Swan of Yogababy to locate the closest yoga class through Brisbane Active Birth Yoga (BABY) - 3876 8534. Jodie On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:39 pm, Julie Clarke wrote: Hi everyone I am asking on behalf of a lovely woman who has come through my natural active birth classes here in Sydney (south) who is looking for the same type of class on offer in the south of Brisbane in the Redcliffe area for her sil. Can anyone help me out with a list of names, numbers, details of active birth classes etc for that area? Warm hug Julie Julie Clarke CBE Independent Childbirth and Parenting Educator HypnoBirthing (R) Practitioner ACE Grad Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer NACE National Journal Editor Transition into Parenthood Sessions 9 Withybrook Place Sylvania NSW 2224 Telephone 9544 6441 Mobile: 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] visit Julie's website: www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Midwivies' Voices (QLD only)
MIDWIVES VOICES Do you want to be heard? The State Government has started the REVIEW OF MATERNITY SERVICES IN QLD www.maternityservicesreviewqld.net.au They are asking for submissions, which will close 1st November 2004. The Review is independent and the Director General of Health, Steve Buckland, the Minister for Health, Gordon Nuttall and Premier Peter Beattie are taking the Review seriously and have indicated serious intent to implement the recommendations, which are expected by March 2005. If you think changes are needed in our Maternity Services NOW IS THE TIME TO HAVE YOUR SAY! You may write one paragraph or one hundred. We are gathering stories and perspectives of individual midwives regarding how they feel about their current practice and what they need to be able to practise to the full scope of their abilities. You may like to describe situations youve experienced that have prevented you from practising according to the QNCs Code of practice for Midwives (http://www.qnc.qld.gov.au). It is intended that these stories inform and be part of the Australian College of Midwives Inc. submission. To protect your identity, write in a way that keeps you and your workplace anonymous and confidential. Please also encourage consumers to make their own submissions to the Review as changes often begin with them and as our title suggests, we need to work with woman. Send your submission to [EMAIL PROTECTED] by October 18th 20004 or send a submission directly to the Review (via the above website) if you prefer. JUST DONT LET THIS OPPORTUNITY PASS YOU BY!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes
Hi Sally, Have you or anyone you know, used this technique with any success? Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 9:14 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes Susan Weed in her book recommends that rather than take castor oil internally the women could rub it on her tummy and then put a hot towel over the castor oil. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife It takes courage to remain a true advocate for women, challenging authority and sacrificing social and professional acceptance. It takes courage for a woman to choose a caregiver who will truly advocate for and empower her.-Judy Slome Cohain -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Abby and Toby Sent: Thursday, 7 October 2004 6:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction by Rupture of Membranes From there you can go to acupressure points and acupuncture.Then herbs and lastly castor oil. You can find recipes for these on various web sites. marilyn Thanks Marilyn. Suggested all those earlier today just didn't want to miss any if there was extras. www.gentlebirth.org ( i think) have a great section on natural induction methods, I always back up my suggestions with links to sites, books etc. From communicating more, she seems to have been told she was having the stretch and sweepaauugghh!! She knows that her and bubs are okay and she knows all the options..I kinda wish I had been there to hear what had been said to her. We have spent a fair bit of time talking about options as induction was bought up a while ago. It is so hard to go against what the docs are saying, especially in those last weeks when some women are really keen to meet their baby. Hopefully it won't come to that date and things will get started before then. thanks Love Abby ( P.S. Wondering if it is normal to spot after a stretch and sweep? She was incredibly shaken for quite a while after it and has started spotting.) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] IVF whilst breastfeeding?
Hi Tania, A friend of mine (a L.C.) gave this answer. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Denise Fisher To: Mrs Joanne M Fisher Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 8:06 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [ozmidwifery] IVF whilst breastfeeding? Hi JoanneIf I'm reading this correctly she wants to be implanted when baby is 9 to 10 months old. Being pregnant at that stage shouldn't be a problem with breastfeeding. Baby will be on solids and prolactin levels will be near-nonpregnant range. The rising levels of oestrogen and progesterone from the pregnancy will have an effect on lactation ... some babies will wean themselves because of a change in volume and taste of the milk, but others will continue on happily. This mother probably does need to know to be aware of this possibility. CheersDeniseAt 07:18 PM 3/09/2004 +1000, you wrote: Can you answer this one Denise?Cheers, Jo- Original Message - From: Tania Smallwood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:08 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] IVF whilst breastfeeding?Hi all,Hoping there is someone out there familiar with IVF, as it's definitely not my area of expertise!Have a question about getting pregnant using IVF and breastfeeding. A woman has a 4 month old, conceived using ICSI with embryo implantation procedure. They have more embryos frozen, and wish to use them, and would like to start a cycle when baby #1 is about 9-10 months old. She doesn't wish to forcefully wean her, but is unsure of whether she'll be able to undergo the procedure when she's breastfeeding. Will she need hormonal preparation, given that there will be no egg harvesting? Does she need to have resumed menstruating? Will she need hormonal injections to help maintain the pregnancy, and if so, is this contraindicated with breastfeeding?So many questions, hope someone can help! Thanks in advance.Tania ***Denise FisherHealth e-Learninghttp://www.health-e-learning.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Maternity Coalition Petition
Hi there, I have been collecting signatures so was wondering when they need to to be sent back by now. (I've already posted off a few completed petitions by the July 14th earlier deadline). Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Andrea Bilcliff To: Ozmidwifery ; Birth News Cc: Maternity Coalition Midwives ; C Aware List Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:31 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Maternity Coalition Petition Apologies for cross posting again... The deadline for the collection of signatures for the Maternity Coalition petition has been extended until further notice. You can add your name to the online petition by visiting: http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au/onlinepetition.html or download a printable version at: http://www.maternitycoalition.org.au/campaignkit.html The versions are slightly differentin which politiciansthey will eventually be presented to, therefore it is okay to sign both versions! Please support Maternity Coalition's campaign efforts. Thank you.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Info for Article
Hi Kylie, Maternity Coalition may be helpful. Good luck, your idea is fantastic. We need to get that message out to everyday people. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au Cheers, Joanne Fisher. - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info for Article Hi everyone, I am a freelance journalist and thought this may be a good place to start for my research. I would like to do an article on the benefits of midwife based care during pregnancy and birth. I am a mother of four and although had midwives deliver my babies I had a different midwife each time I had a checkup and had to deliver at a hospital 30 minutes away from my home instead of the one 5 minutes away. All because doctors wouldn't come to Shellharbour hopsital. My deliverys have all been straghtforward and I didn't give a hoot if a doctor was available or not. Recently an announcement was made that a trial is finally underway for the midwife model of care in my area. I find many women are very skeptical of this and would like to do an article to show how a natural part of life has become medicalised. I feel women are now scared of birth, hence opting for epidurals, c-sections, inductions - all performed by OB's. That is the gist of the article...I'd like to outliine the benefits for mum and baby, eg does it reduce the risk of pnd, trauma for the baby, physical wellbeing. If anyone has any information relevant my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] any help is much appreciated, cheers Kylie _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] cow's milk formula and risk of type 1 diabetes
That's exactly what I felt!!! Joanne - Original Message - From: Yandilla Maternity Service To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:04 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cow's milk formula and risk of type 1 diabetes Hi Barb, I agree. The assumption is that the baby will need formula in the first 6 monthsof life. It's a sad day when researchers looking at the protective effect of prolongedBF against diabetes are assuming that babies will "need" formula in their first 6 months. That bit made me grumpy too. Wendy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of barbara glare chris brightSent: Monday, 28 June 2004 19:58To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] cow's milk formula and risk of type 1 diabetes Hi, The article says The study encourages mothers to breastfeed for the first six months, but when their babies need a supplement formula, some will be given modified formula and the others cow's-milk-based formula. Now, when would that be again? Cassie is 6, and still hasnt had a need for supplemental formula. Barb (Grumpily) Mum of Zac, 11, Dan, 9, Cassie, 6 and Guan 1
Re: [ozmidwifery] Seminar Day on Models of Care
I would also love to see something like this come to QLD. Can you bring it up here? Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Geoff Louise Wightman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:39 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Seminar Day on Models of Care It would be wonderful to have a session like this in QLD. I see nothing but apathy from the QLD government and a flow on from there. Louise - Original Message - From: Trish David [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 3:31 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Seminar Day on Models of Care Dear All. In view of the wonderful announcements in Victoria about models of care, and in view of the critical intent of curriculum to try to change things, Monash University has decided to put on a seminar day with workshop aimed at assisting midwives to change maternity services. This was a request of my students, to put this day on as part of their teaching sessions, and so it has been achieved. 20th July at Gippsland Campus of Monash University Churchill. Speakers are: Lynne Staff (collaborative models in a private hospital: Selangor) Patrice Hickey (midwifery models in a metropolitan public hospital: Sunshine comparisons and contrasts between Australian and New Zealand midwifery, what we can learn) Linda Jones (organisational change: challenges and strategies) Liz Hughes (collaborative models in a small country facility: Wonthaggi) Anne White (midwife models in a country regional hospital: Warragul, a new initiative) Claire Poter (Caseload Teams in a regional hospital: Wangaratta, an established and proven model, towards practitioner status) Workshops in the afternoon to brainstorm change, funding applications, etc facilitated by Linda Jones, Patrice Hickey, Lynne Staff and myself. The cost is $60 (excludes lunch) for the day. RSVP and registration and payment to Tara Harle on (03) 5122 6441 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Get in quick, Victorians, because we will have a ceiling of 60 participants. Trish -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] urgent, addresses
Dear Mary, Justine and Jo, Thankyou all for your help in getting those email addresses for me. It is so wonderful being a part of this list. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] urgent, addresses Thanks justine Jo, MM - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] urgent, addresses I have forwarded on the email to Roz Donnellan-Fernandez for you. cheers Jo - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 5:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] urgent, addresses Jo Fisher in Queensland is urgently seeking the contact addresses for Sally Tracy NSW Roz Donellin-Ferdinand(?spelling) S.A. If anyone can assist, pleaseemail the list and Jo will pick it up when she gets home from work. Thanks, MM
[ozmidwifery] ABC Studios (Brisbane) on Talk Back radio at 1.15pm on 612 on the AM dial on Friday 30th April
Hi everyone, Jodie Miller (as a Consumer Representative)will be in the Brisbane ABC Studios on Talk Back radio regarding the "Friends of the Birth Centre" event "Airing of the Laundry" and Maternity Coalition,with Presenter Kelly Higgins-Devine, along with a Midwife (to be announced) and apparently a Doctor (to be announced) at 1.15pm on 612 on the AM dial on Friday 30th April. So listen out and call them up on 1300 360 612 on the day. Cheers, Joanne.
Re: [ozmidwifery] ER
Title: Message Barb Fordhamis such a great Blues singer, saw her at the Woodford Folk Festival when she belted out some numbers. She's due on that day to have her baby in the Birth Centre! I'll be there on Sat to cheer you on too Cas. Cheers, Joanne. I've pasted more info on the event below. PUSH FOR BIRTH REFORM Airing Our Laundry Market Day Friends of the Birth Centre International Day of the Midwife Maternity Coalition National Day of Action After the tremendous success of last years Airing Our Laundry, Friends of the Birth Centre Association (Qld) Inc (FBC) will once again be airing their laundry in King George Square, with up to 5,000 items of baby clothing flapping in the breeze on twenty Hills Hoists, symbolically representing the number of babies who have missed the Birth Centre ballot. The Royal Womens Hospital Birth Centre provides family-centred midwifery care which is dedicated to supporting mothers through pregnancy, childbirth and the post-natal period. The Friends of the Birth Centre (FBC) was established in 1995 by the fortunate families who have used the Birth Centre facilities. FBC believes every woman should have access to the same exceptional level of care and childbirth education the Birth Centre provides. Since the inception of the Birth Centre in 1995, demand for places has far outstripped the available facilities. Currently, only one-third of applicants to the Birth Centre are successful. Even with the addition of extra rooms, only 45 women per month are served by the Birth Centre while twice that number languish on a waiting list. Approximately 5,000 families have missed the ballot since 1995. Airing Our Laundry Market Day promises to be a highly entertaining family day and visual demonstration of the demand for such facilities in Queensland: · Ex-B105 radio host Robin Bailey, patron of FBC, will be our special guest on the day. · A very pregnant Barb Fordham will headline the days performance. Acclaimed Brisbane Jazz Blues diva, her baby is due on Market Day itself, to be delivered at the RWH Birth Centre! · Joining Barb will be singer songwriters Jackie Marshall, Cas McCullough, Kieran Waters the Young Casuals, as well as singer Carma Gerber and Actor/Stand up comedian Brendan Glanville and Northern NSW-based singer/songwriter Kristy Wilson. · Demonstrations (including yoga and childrens sing alongs), over twenty stalls(covering childbirth and maternity issues, yoga, gifts, maternity wear and natural therapies), face painting, merry go round and a jumping castle will keep children and adults entertained. · Hills Industries Ltd are generously supplying the Hills Hoists for our display. · Thanks also to the support of the Gambling Community Benefit Fund for their generous grant. Admission: FREE Date: Saturday May 1, 2004 Time: 10am to 3pm Venue: King George Square, Brisbane ENDS Friends of the Birth Centre Media Contact: Jodie Miller (President) 0409 890 194 Performance Media Contact: Cas McCullough 0438 898 706 - Original Message - From: Wayne and Cas To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] ER Does anyone remember the episode where a homebirth mum transfers to hospital and the baby dies due to congenital defects. The commentry seemed to be that if she'd had her baby in hospital it could have been saved but that definately couldn't have been the case because the drs said the baby would die regardless. The mother was blaming herself for having the baby at home and the hb midwife seemed left out of things. I thought that episode sent mixed messages but again ... birth is dangerous, birth is dangerous. I must admit I'm not real fond of Dr Carter's conservative stance on vaccinations etc. Anyway, I'm going to be taking a break from Ozmid for awhile because I am feeling a dire need to get some rest and spend extra time with the kids and the internet seems to take up so much of my time these days-- a real addict I am. I hope to see some of you at the Friends of the Birth Centre Airing Our Laundry event in King George Square on May 1. It is going to be fantastic! Brisbane Caberet singer Barbara Fordham is going to sing (and she's due that day) so long as she doesn't go into labour. I am singing my birth/motherhood songs too! We're going to have workshops and childrens' activities on the lawn and lots of stalls. So if you are in Brisbane, come along! Cheers, Cas Cas, Wayne, Liam and Daniel McCullough info@casmccullough.com www.casmccullough.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwife is a midwife...?
Having had the extreme fortune of observing Mary at work last year as part of my studies, I can vouch for what you've just said. March on NMAP!!! Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwife is a midwife...? It seems to me that people think that a caseloading midwife never cares for people who are afraid of childbirth. (both men women) The truth is, that many of my clients are just as frightened as those in the system. The difference is, that at each prenatal visit we talk about the issues and how to overcome them. Because women have the opportunity to talk to their midwife(s), they are able to access strategies to help them. Sometimes this doesn't happen and they go into labour still afraid. However, they have by this time built up trust in their midwife that she will CARE for them and if necessary, take them to hospital if they need/want and epidural or anything else. They are then able to accept the medicalization of their labour/birth as something they have really chosen for themselves. If they have overcome their fearz in labour (common) then they are empowered by their newly discovered strength. They also know that their midwife will not judge them, but accept the woman's choice. That is the strength of a more personalised service. The correct implementation of NMAP would give ALL women this kind of care and give ALL midwives the thrill of working in this very satisfying way. Cheers, MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL
Beautifully told Tina. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 5:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Hello fellow ozmiders.I have pasted below a birth story from my journal of a babe born in the caul.I have had three women in my time as a mid student, birth their babes in the caulthe first at home thru water.then this wonderful birth with 'Kirsty' in hospital on the shower floorand again recentlya wonderful hospital birth...again in the showerCheers Tina Pettigrew.3rd year B Mid Student ACU Melb-Home tonight from another day of birthing 'with woman'. I startedback on placement today - 2/days a week for the next couple of months.ON arriving this morning, the 'board' in birth suite was full withlabouring women and/or women who had recently birthed their babes...Iwas allocated to work with a young woman in 'early' labour. Labourcommenced at 2100hrs last night with irregular tightenings and alarge bloody show. Kirsty arrived at hospital at 0400hrs thismorning...today her EDB...healthy pregnancy.I met 18 yr old Kirsty (not her real name) her ex partner and theirlittle boy (16 month toddler). Kirsty was on the bed leaning over thebean bag. Ex partner, 24 yr old...father of both the children...waspresent to care for the toddler as they have noone else to supportthem. Both Kirsty's parents are in jail...her only local family anelderly grandmother...Ex partner also soon to be imprisoned in a fewweeks time...Instantly we connected.the partner was in and out of the roomwith the small childso she was all aloneshe was frightenedand in pain. Her labour with her first babe was 25 hours, epidural,ventouse and 2 degree tear...This labour was beginning to escalate when I arrived 0730 hrs. Ioffered her words of encouragement.massage for her low backpainand finally coaxed her into the shower on the mediball at0800.Kirsty was very tired...having been awake all night, andwith 16 month old toddler in tow who had not yet sleptLights dimed in the shower, hot water and rocking on medi ball,midwife student shoes off bear feet, pants rolled up to myknees...working with her, with 16 month toddler under my arm pitwondering what mum was doingtoddler on my knee now (trying tokeep him out of the water :-)) partner returns from outside and takestoddler for walk...Kirsty making heaps of birth noise, and needing torest...lays down on the mat in the shower...hot water running overher...its all quiet and dark, just the sound of running waterby0900...Kirsty really working hard now...says she's going todiewants the pain to stop...Partner returns...toddler intowKirsty 'freaks out' with him present now...fearful forhim "seeing me in pain" wants him to go. Really distressed and,crying, screaming for me to make it all stop...I stroke herforeheadtake her in my arms and cuddle on the shower floor...sheceases to cry...wants a VE to assess her progress before having anepidural. O/VE 6-7cmwon't have gas (says she'll die)decidesno epidural...and has 100mgs of IM pethide, tries some gas with somegreat words from the midwife who is alittle more assertive with herthan me, she eventually refocuses on birthing her babymembranesstill intact...RMO wanting to rupture themmidwife does some fancyfoot work with the doctor...no ARM :-))The next hour is s intense...Kirsty's labour is full onnow...still in the shower...sucking on the gas...leaning up over herpartner who is on the mediball...then at 1015 hours...that incrediblebirth roar came...a sensation new to Kirsty who felt none of her 2ndstage with babe no 1. with the epidural. Reassuring her "you aresafe" its "OK to go with what you are feeling"Kirsty begins thework of pushing her babe out...over a bean bag now (still in theshower and wasn't I popular with the Div 2 - a wet soggy bean bag!!!)I can see her babes head emergingas the babes begins tocrown...Kirsty instinctively reaches down to touch her babe andreassure herself that she was not "fucking splitting apart"andgently, ever so gently, she breathes her 3505gm daughter out and intomy hands at 1044 hrsbabe born in the caulmembranes stillintact that I gently peel away as I pass her thru Kirsty's legs andlay her down beneath her.she is euphoric...triumphant...!!!Active third stage...1ml IM syntometrine and CCT...EBL 150ml...Babe beautiful breastfeeder(Kirsty BF babe no. 1 for 11months)...Perineum intact...no other tears or grazes :-)) Midwifestudent delighted!!I continue to be amazed at the strengh of 'woman'...this youngwoman...with the odds stacked against hera long road ahead
Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL
Dear Mary, I too, would love to see these photos, I think you have my email address. I have also witnessed this special event but no photographs either. Hope life is treating you well. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL ditto Mary - we have had the privilege of witnessing the birth of several babes born in cauls through water at Selangor, but no photos from these. I would love it if you could send the photos on to me - thanks - Lynne - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:59 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Thank you Mary I would love to see them please feel welcome to send them direct to my email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe the non-attachment policy is to help protect us all from dreaded viruses etc. Hug Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 8:42 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Thank you Julie for the great photos. Lieve, the Dutch midwife,sent me a great series of a baby born underwater in the caul (like my client) I would be happy to pass them on. Lieve said they wouldn't be accepted on the list , probably because they wouldcome through as an attatchment. cheers, M If you visit www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au and click on about Julie and then click on the pdf file Respecting Childbirth as a Rite of Passage, you will see the photos of my babies births. The second one Ryan was born in the caul. http://www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au/Respecting%20Childbirth%20as%20a%20Rite%20of%20Passage.pdf I hope this helps. I am sure the paed would also love to know that Ryan swims like a dolphin and is a wonderfully sensitive gentle giant of a teenager J There is just something about Ryan that everyone warms to. We still have Ryans caul to keep it we had it laminated he even took it to show and tell in kindy. Now thats sharing of knowledge isnt it? You should have seen the teachers face! Warmest regards, Julie Julie Clarke CBE Childbirth and Parenting Educator ACE Grad-Dip Supervisor NACE Advanced Educator and Trainer Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224. T. (02) 9544 6441 F. (02) 9544 9257 Mobile 0401 2655 30 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.transitionintoparenthood.com.au From: owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Monday, 23 February 2004 10:08 PMTo: listSubject: [ozmidwifery] BORN IN CAUL Today a paediatric registrar told me that it was impossible for my recent client to have birthed her baby "in the caul". He was wanting photographic proof. I explained that we didn't take photos of such events because 1)it would mean using a "flash"-He couldn't see the problem , 2) we don't know in advance that it is going to happen. Does anyone have photos of this "impossible" event?cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of third stage.
Dear Dorothy, I did a lit review on this subject 2 years ago so here is the list of references for you that I used. Cheers, Joanne References Begley, C. (1990). A comparison of active and physiological management of the third stage of labour. Midwifery, 6(1), 3-17. (Dublin trial) Elbourne, D., McCandlish, R., Rogers, J., Truesdale, A., Wood, J. (1998). Active versus expectant management of third stage of labour (letter). Lancet, 351(9116), 1659. Enkin, M., Keirse, M. J. N. C., Neilson, J., Crowther, C., Duley, L., Hodnett, E., Hofmeyr, J. (2000). A guide to effective care in pregnancy and childbirth (3rd ed.). New York: Oxford University Press. Featherstone, I. (1999). Clinical. Physiological third stage of labour. British Journal of Midwifery, 7(4), 216-221. Grajeda, R., Perex-Escamilla R., Dewey, K. G. (1997). Abstract: Delayed clamping of the umbilical cord improves haematological status of Guatemalan infants at 2 months of age. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 65(2), 425-431. Gyte, G. (1992). The significance of blood loss at delivery. MIDIRS Midwifery Digest, 2(1), 88-92. Gyte, G. (1994). Evaluation of the meta-analyses on the effects, on both mother and baby, of the various components of active management of the third stage of labour. Midwifery, 10(4), 183-199. Gyte, G. (1998). Informed choice and the third stage of labour (letter). Research Matters, 7, 5. Harris, T. (2001). Evidence-based care. Changing the focus for the third stage of labour. British Journal of Midwifery, 9(1), 7-12. Keirse, J. (1998). What does prevent postpartum haemorrhage? Lancet, 351(9104), 690-692. Khan, G. Q., John, L. S., Wani, S., Doherty, T., Sibai, B. M. (1997). Abstract: Controlled cord traction versus minimal intervention techniques in delivery of the placenta: a randomized controlled trial. American Journal of Obstetrics Gynecology, 177(4), 770-774. (Abu Dhabi trial) McDonald, S., Prendiville, W. J., Elbourne, D. (1999). Prophylactic syntometrine versus oxytocin for delivery of the placenta (Cochrane Review). In: The Cochrane Library, Issue 2. Update software, Oxford. Odent, M. (1998a). Don't manage the third stage of labour! Practising Midwife, 1(9), 31-33. Odent, M. (1998b). Active versus expectant management of third stage of labour (letter). Lancet, 351(9116), 1659. Perez-Escamillo, R., Dewey, K. (1998). Active versus expectant management of third stage of labour (letter). Lancet, 351(9116), 1659. Prendiville, W. J., Harding, J. E., Elbourne, D. R., Stirrat. G. M. (1988). The Bristol third stage trial: active vs physiological management of third stage of labour. BMJ, 297(6659), 1295-1300. (Bristol trial) Prendiville, W. (1998). Active versus expectant management of third stage of labour (letter). Lancet, 351(s9116), 1659. Prendiville, W. J., Elbourne, D. A., Mc Donald, S. (2001). Active versus expectant management in the third stage of labour. In: The Cochrane Library, Issue 2. Update software, Oxford. Rogers, J., Wood, J., McCandlish, R., Ayers, S., Truesdale, A., Elbourne, D. (1998). Active versus expectant management of third stage of labour: the Hinchingbrooke randomised controlled trial. Lancet, 351(9104), 693-699. (Hinchingbrooke trial) Rogers, J., Wood, J. (1999). The Hinchingbrooke third stage trial: What are the implications for practice? Practising Midwife, 2(2), 35-37. Thilaganathan, B., Cutner, A., Latimer, J., Beard, R. (1993). Management of the third stage of labour in women at low risk of postpartum haemorrhage. Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol, 48(1), 19-22. (Brighton trial) Wattis, L. (2001). The third stage maze: Which practice pathway for optimum outcomes? Practising Midwife, 1(4), 23-27. World Health Organization. (1996). Care in normal birth: a practical guide. WHO/FRH/MSM/96.24. Geneva, Author. World Health Organization Collaborative Group. (2001). Abstract: WHO multicentre randomised trial of misoprostol in the management of the third stage of labour. Lancet, 358, 689-695. - Original Message - From: Dorothy Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:29 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info on active versus physiological management of third stage. Hi, My name is Dorothy and I am currently doing my postgraduate diploma in Midwifery and I am doing a research paper on the pros and cons of active versus physiological management of third stage of labour. What I was wondering is does anyone know of some good research articles that addresses this subject I have found a couple but need five for my assignment. I have to critique them. Thanks in advance for any assistance you can give me with this. Regards Dorothy Thomas -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit
[ozmidwifery] DANGEROUS DELIVERIES: VICTORIA'S OBSTETRICS CRISIS RUNS DEEP
For your interest. Cheers, Joanne DANGEROUS DELIVERIES: VICTORIA'S OBSTETRICS CRISIS RUNS DEEP (StatelineVictoria: 13/02/2004)http://www.abc.net.au/stateline/vic/content/2003/s1044707.htm
Re: [ozmidwifery] Some exciting news! :-)
Congrats Victoria, The future is in up and coming midwives like yourself. When you're over there, let us know howyou are getting along. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Victoria Couldwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:45 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Some exciting news! :-) Hi all! I have sat back, quietly, for some time, on this list and enjoyed the interesting topics, debates and discussions. I'm sure I introduced myself earlier when I first joined. Just in case, I am in Sydney, 27 years old, mother of 2, doula and hoping to do BMid when it starts in Sydney.ANYWAY, to cut a long story short, it looks like I won't have to wait for Sydney!I have just received an offer to study BMid in Scotland at the University of Stirling! I am so excited! I cannot wait! I start this September, 2004.Wish me luck! Victoria E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Upgrade now! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] QLD Rally
With QLD elections looming next week, Maternity Coalition Queensland,
Friends of the Birth Centre, Association for Improvement in Maternity Services
and Home Midwifery Association, staged a Rally in
front of the State Government Executive Building to ask the
Premier for better birth care choices for Queensland women. Of course he
didn't come but key members were invited to speak to one of his representatives
after the Rally. They were given a straw broom to make some "sweeping"
changes and given a list of changes that need to be made by QLD Health i.e.
for birth care
policies including the following principles:
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Informed Choice providing women with evidence-based information, and
supporting their choices.
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One to one midwifery care choice of a known midwife caring for each woman during
pregnancy, birth and early motherhood, in collaboration with other health
professionals.
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Community based services providing care in the communities where women
live.
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Consumer representation central role for consumers in policy development and
service design, implementation and delivery.
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Education
improved community education to support informed choices in pregnancy, birth
and early parenting.
- Accountability full and timely disclosure of outcome statistics from
all health facilities.
Though the media were there, we didn't get much air time on the news
tonight. There were probably 100 people plus their gorgeous
children. We are pretty happy with theway it went today.
Cheers, Joanne
- Original Message -
From:
Denise Hynd
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:42
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] QLD
Midwives
What rally in Brisbane??Denise
- Original Message -
From:
Lynne Staff
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:03
AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] QLD
Midwives
Hi Joanne
I think you'll find that homebirth is
considered along the same lines as the Black Death in QLD by maternity care
policy makers and providers! Still, there are many mothers, fathers and
midwives working to change that. See for example the rally today in Bris. We
welcome more people to help us to make community care a
reality.
Cheers, Lynne
- Original Message -
From:
Mrs
Joanne M Fisher
To: Ozmidwifery
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004
11:41 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] QLD
Midwives
Hi there
QLD Midwives,
I'm a
midwife working in Queensland, and active in Maternity Coalition here. I
recently observed/studied at the Community Midwifery Program WA for six
weeks (Feb/March 2003), and would love to work in a similar model here.
We are trying to develop a network of midwives interested in doing
caseload/small team midwifery in Qld, while we work hard at advocating for
this sort of reform. If this is of any interest, or you would like
to be kept informed, please email me on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cheers
Joanne
[ozmidwifery] QLDS Rally
Hi there Lynne, Yes I was there today Lynne, it was a great get-together. It's just one more step to improving services I hope. As a midwife, I dream of that day. If there is any chance, I'd love to have a look at what you are doing at Selengor. I'll be on holidays on the Sunshine Coast 22nd-29th February. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] QLD Midwives Hi Joanne I think you'll find that homebirth is considered along the same lines as the Black Death in QLD by maternity care policy makers and providers! Still, there are many mothers, fathers and midwives working to change that. See for example the rally today in Bris. We welcome more people to help us to make community care a reality. Cheers, Lynne - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] QLD Midwives Hi there QLD Midwives, I'm a midwife working in Queensland, and active in Maternity Coalition here. I recently observed/studied at the Community Midwifery Program WA for six weeks (Feb/March 2003), and would love to work in a similar model here. We are trying to develop a network of midwives interested in doing caseload/small team midwifery in Qld, while we work hard at advocating for this sort of reform. If this is of any interest, or you would like to be kept informed, please email me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Joanne
Re: [ozmidwifery] James McKenna
Is he coming to Brisbane, does anyone know? Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Jackie Kitschke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] James McKenna Is "appearing" in Adelaide or can he talk be accessed anywhere. I read his website all of the time. He is so sensible in this mad world of raising babies!! I quote him constantly.(Ena is asleep in the sling and growing like a mushroom. She is passing all of her tests and is so far perferctly normal despite her rocky start) Jackie - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] James McKenna This is really strange - I sent the message belowa week ago -it was a fabulous talk by the way, Pinky - Original Message - From: Pinky McKay To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] James McKenna Hi Ladies , It doesnt seem to have been well-publicised but tomorrow night 6pm Old Arts bulding Melbourne Uni - Prof James McKenna(YES!! THE James McK -SIDS researcher extroadinaire!)is giving a public lecture "Cry it out sleep training: social ideology masquerading as science." no need to book - just turn up but dont be late as it could be full! Its part of the world congress on Infant Mental Health. Pinky
Re: [ozmidwifery] BF after C/Section
If I may ask, which Hospital? We've tried to keep Mums and Bubs together after a C/S at our Hospital, but so far no luck. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Cheryl LHK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] BF after C/Section Well done!! It makes your day when something like this happens doesn't it? From: Kirsten Blacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Dulcie Bridges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] BF after C/Section Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:45:03 +0800 Oh happy day. Today whilst in attendance at a C/section (36 weeks, previous, and PE) the registrar asked me if I had discussed feeding preferences with the mum, and then wanted to know if I would be happy to go to recovery with mum, dad and baby so they could have an early breastfeed! I told him I would be delighted, and later thanked him for taking the initiative Kirsten _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] sterile water injections
Sounds interesting, can you provide more details please. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Liz Nicholson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] sterile water injections Horsham Hospital is involved in trials of sterile water. it certainly seems to be helping esp with posterior lies. There is another hospital trialling it too. It has been used extensively in other Scandinavian countries I think. Liz -Original Message- From: Larry Megan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 18 December 2003 12:14pm To: ozmidwifery Subject: [ozmidwifery] sterile water injections I'm reading Henci Goers The Thinking Womans Guide to a Better Birth, and she mentions using sterile water injections for releif of intense back pain. I'm wondering if anyone has used this and what is the opinion on it. I guess also is it being used at all in hospitals in Australia. Thanks Megan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback
The same happens where I work. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Alesa Koziol To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback Hi Denise I work in a private hospital where information regarding normal birth is shared in childbirth education classes. This is often the only time that the women hear about an alternative to active management. All the Obs practice active management unless challenged by their clients. We have close to 1000 births per year, but I could count on all my digits the number of women who opt for physiological third stage. I dont know what info the women recieve during their antenatal care in Obs rooms Cheers Alesa - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; list Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] 3rdStage Feedback Dear Ozmid list, I need to know or get some feedback about the prevelance of physiological third stage in Australia. That is are women being offered the option of birthing their placentas with out an oxytocic injection in Australain hospitals and is it standard practice to give women informed choice about this in homebirths (as I understand it) Personal expereinces of situations and protocols would be appreciated Thank you Denise
Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Show's Caesarean birth
I would also like to thank Barb Vernon for her response from the ACMI regarding the Today Show's C/section report. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Barbara Vernon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Today Show's Caesarean birth Hi everyone, For your info I've sent the following message to the Today Show Producers this morning. Barb. Dr Barbara Vernon Executive Officer Australian College of Midwives Inc Level 1, 97 Northbourne Ave TURNER ACT 2612 Ph: 02 6230 7333 Fax: 02 6230 6033 www.acmi.org.au Dear Today Show producers, I write on behalf of the Australian College of Midwives to express disappointment at your decision to highlight the estimated 20 millionth Australian by filming a planned caesarean section birth. At a time when Australia's rates of both planned and unplanned caesarean sections are soaring to 2 to 3 times international standards of best practice (10%-15% is recommended by the World Health Organisation as the maximum rate at which women and babies benefit from this procedure), your article this morning adds further to the popular misconception that caesarean section is a safe and appropriate everyday 'choice' for women. Evidence in medical journals now shows that there is a significant degree of medical over-servicing in maternity in Australia today, driven more by concerns about litigation than the best interests of women and their babies. Women themselves are the ones being blamed for high rates of caesarean section. Yet few journalists are asking the important questions - Why is it that women believe major abdominal surgery to be a safer way to have their baby than vaginal birth despite research evidence to the contrary? What does this say about the failure of our maternity care systems? What are they being told by their doctors? Are they being given evidence based advice? The most common reason for planned caesarean sections today is that the woman has had a previous caesarean section. Yet the evidence shows that even women with a previous caesarean, with few exceptions, are more likely to benefit from vaginal birth than from a repeat caesarean. A recent UK House of Commons report recommended that all women considering CS should be informed that the risk of dying from complications related to CS is 4 times higher than for vaginal birth, and 5-6 times for their baby. Not to mention the significant increased risks of problems like pos-operative infection, respiratory distress for the baby and post-natal depression. One can only hope that today's story highlights to women that it is desirable to avoid caesarean section whenever possible. It graphically portrayed that the woman was a bystander to her own babies birth, drugged and neglected in the background while her newborn baby's first experience of life was medical procedures from strangers on the infant resuscitation trolley. It is particularly unfortunate for both the baby and the mother that the hospital portrayed does not even provide for immediiate skin-to-skin contact between mother and baby despite this being accepted practice in other operating theatres, and supported by research evidence to have significant benefits both mother and baby. The College welcomes the Today's Show's interest in the important issue of childbirth. We would urge you to have more regard for the research evidence on best practice when deciding on how to portray this issue in the future. We would be happy to provide information on any area of pregnancy and childbirth should you be interested when preparing a future article. Yours sincerely, Dr Barbara Vernon Executive Officer Australian College of Midwives Inc Level 1, 97 Northbourne Ave TURNER ACT 2612 Ph: 02 6230 7333 Fax: 02 6230 6033 www.acmi.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The Today show experience
Hi Andrea, Congratulations on a job well done in just 3 minutes while the other side had most of the 2 hour show to show theirs. Everyone, keep those emails/faxes/calls coming in to Channel 9. They MUST be shown that this is a big issue and needs a lot further discussion. Who knows, they may even show a normal birth! Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:55 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Today show experience Hi everyone, Well, I tried I was being given the cut off signal almost as soon as I started so I just kept talking all frustrating as usual. I did corner Steve later to say that this was an issue that needed better coverage and he said they would be following it up - so keep those letters and email rolling in to them. I have volunteered to do a live debate with Dr Rick but I bet they won't take up that challenge, although Dr Rick is so conceited he might just like the idea of more publicity! Steve has his emails appearing at his elbow and he told me that they'd really been inundated. I've written up my Diary entry on this as well if you want to check that out. http://www.birthinternational.com/diary/index.html Aplogies to the midwives out there - I was not responsible for the label saying I was a midwife. Back to the real world now, away from unreality TV. Cheers Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery/FH monitoring
Not so where I work either. A few of us have tried, but so far it has fallen on deaf ears. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] babies in recovery/FH monitoring Cas wrote:"it is normal practice to have bub in recovery so long as both mother and baby are well." Unfortunately this is not so here in Perth. We have had major battles over many years to have well babies stay with their mothers in recovery at KEMH but this has been denied for many reasons, mostly because" the C/S women share the recovery room with other women who had gynae surgery" etc. it is also surprising that so many baies who are "rescued" from foetal distess have apgars over 7 and need no further treatment. Is this a misreading of the FH monitor? a panic reaction to a EFM trace? Denise, the trials that showed "intermittant monitoring " equal to/better than continuous was using the intensive monitoring regime that Lesley spoke about. Not the more relaxed one. Cheers, MM
[ozmidwifery] Fw: C/Section tomorrow- some thoughts
Title: Message I wonder if I'll get a reply from Channel 9? - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: TCN Today Show Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: C/Section tomorrow- some thoughts Dear Channel 9, The World Health Organisation recommend a C/section rate of 10-15%. In Australia it is now about 25% (and 30-80% in some private hospitals). I feel now after watching your show this morning that you have glamourised C/sections and the poor women of Australia, who are already frightened about having babies (do you ever see anyhappy stories of natural birth?), will now be running off to their Doctors requesting ac/section. I am a midwife/lactation consultant and I see the pain these women are in afterwards. I've also seen the haemhorrages, the wound infections and the babies that have been accidently cut! Very few get skin to skin contact which is the optimal start for a mother/baby connection and greatly improves the chances of successful breastfeeding. Longer term consequences such as Post Natal Depression and even Post Traumatic Stress Disorder are very real butrarely discussed. You shouldnow concentrate on showing a normal birth which is supported by a known midwife becauseresearch shows that women have the best outcomes/satisfaction when this happens. You should also show that women can successfully birth their babies vaginally after a c/section. I congratulate the mother and father on the safe delivery of their son today. Of course Tracey and your team were brought to tears by his birth but I didn't see the mother's tears (she appeared quite detached from the whole process). I can't help wondering that if you were to have seen thebeauty of a naturalbirth and howempoweredthe mother iswhen she has completed the birth journey as nature intended, you would be shedding even more tears of joy. Regards, Joanne Fisher. - Original Message - From: TCN Today Show To: Mrs Joanne M Fisher Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: RE: C/Section tomorrow- some thoughts Dear Today Show viewer, This is to acknowledge receipt of your email. Thank you for taking the time to contact us. If this is an inquiry, please re-direct it to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. All other comments, story ideas and opinions sent by viewers are discussed by the show's producers on a daily basis. We appreciate your input and hope you are enjoying the program. Sincerely, Darren Wick Executive Producer Dear Channel 9, I always enjoy watching your show and tomorrow I will be watching with great interest. I am a midwife/lactation consultantand want you to know that birthing choices in this country are horrendous. We are so medically dominated. We fall way behind countries such as the Netherlands, UK, and New Zealand. People don't know about it because it is not talked about. Theyonly find out about it after the fact when they are sufferingpost taumatic stress disorder. Now you are planning to show a live c/section on TV. Well I certainly hope you give the other side a chance to tell women about REAL birth and REALinformed choice. I await your show with mixed feelings. Regards, Joanne Fisher.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth pictures.
Thanks so much Mary, those photos are so beautiful. Cheers, Jo. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 9:23 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth pictures. http://www.nandu.hu/English/Childbirth/Csenge100/csbirth02.htm It was obviously a link I had clicked on and forgotten about. Enjoy. MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth photos
Mary, I tried this web address and didn't get the photos. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: list Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 8:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Waterbirth photos http://www.midwiferytoday.com/enews/enews0523.aspThis is an amazing 100 photos of a waterbirth at home in the USA.
[ozmidwifery] midwifery students
Thanks for that Cas. Talking to the mid students is very important. It is great that you are able to do that. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 12:15 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay? Hi Joanne, I have a link to them on my webpage but their direct address is: http://www.tabs.org.nz/ If you want to contact Ursula Yee who is running the new support group here in Australia her email is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We did a talk for a bunch of midwifery students on PTSD at Griffith Uni last Friday and some of them were really shocked at the stories we shared. It was a good talk and they seemed to get the picture. Cheers, Cas. www.casmccullough.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M Fisher Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 9:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay? Dear Cas, Do you have the website address for the NZ group TABS A (Trauma and Birth Stress). Thanks. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay? Sonia, you are very welcome to tell your story... I am not a health professional either but they put up with me : ). Anyway, a fellow birther and friend of mine has started up a national Birth Trauma Support Group which is linked to the NZ group TABS A(Trauma and Birth Stress) so please contact me off list if you would like to chat further about what happened to you. You are not alone. Cheers, Cas. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of *G and S* Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2003 7:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] new here/okay? Greetings. May I introduce myself firstly by telling you up front that I am not a midwife, doula or obstetric professional. I was however a registered nurse, have had five babes and have plenty of questions and thoughts regarding birth. A friend of mine who lectures in midwifery suggested this list as a good place to be. I had a hideous birth experience in January (the chance of it happening again is supposed to be greater then 1 in 1,000,000) and though I do not wish to sue my ob, I still need some answers that he can't / won't give me. But before I launch into my story I thought I should check it out with you guys first to see if you are happy to have me around. I will understand if you think that this is an inappropriate place for me to be. TIA, Sonia. PS. I am an Australian and I was a member of the Ican list. I left it because I really needed local 'talk'. KWIM? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Over 180 years of THE LANCET are now available online
For your interest. Cheers, Joanne For the first time in medical history, researchers and scholars across the globe have the ability to search a historical archive of over 340,000 articles dating from THE LANCET'S inception in 1823. THE LANCET Backfiles are now available on ScienceDirect as fully searchable PDFs, supported by citations, abstracts and references. THE LANCET has published some of the first reports on such groundbreaking medical research as: - The first caesarian performed under anaesthesia - Lister's antiseptic principle - The value of penicillin - Heliobacter pylori - HIV Transmission - In-vitro fertilization - Mad Cow disease - SARS as a coronavirus For more information on THE LANCET Backfiles visit: http://www.info.sciencedirect.com/backfiles/collections/lancet/index.shtml -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] District Health Advisory Council Appointment
Many,many congrats Lois -go girl. Love Joanne - Original Message - From: Lois J Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 9:39 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] District Health Advisory Council Appointment Dear oz mid friends, I have recently been appointed as a member of the Peel DistrictHealth Advisory Council (DHAC). The Country Health Service Community Consumer Participation Strategy is as follows:The community and consumer participation processes will advise on communityneeds, priorities and consumer interests with a focus on improving access toservices and information, service quality, consumer participation andidentifying equity issues; and enabling consumer and community input intoservice development and improved models of health service delivery.I am hopeful I can represent the needs and wishes of maternity serviceproviders and consumers in the Peel Region, via the 'voice' of PeelPregnancy Resources Midwifery Support Group (PRMS). Regards, Lois Wattis Lois WattisCommunity Midwifewww.birthjourney.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] New contact details for Birth International
Good Luck with your move Andrea and thanks for all your support of consumers and midwives. Cheers, Joanne - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 5:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] New contact details for Birth International Hello everyone, We are relocating our office today (Wednesday August 27) to a great new location in Stanmore, not far from our present address. Our Postal address remains the same (PO Box 366 Camperdown NSW 1450) and our street address will be 87 Percival Road, Stanmore. Our phone numbers will be new from this afternoon: Phone: (02) 9564 2322 Fax:(02) 9564 2388 We hope this will be our last move for many years - such a hassle! However, I have a great team in my wonderful staff and we expect the move to go smoothly. Cheers Andrea - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac?
Thankyou all of you that have given me suggestions for my research topic and my table. If there are any more ideas please send them to me. I'm not one to make quick decisions! An idea for research I had was to look at why there are so many inductions these days, does anyone know if there's been anything done on that? The ideas of Vit. K and Hep. B are also very good suggestions. The suggestions for my table have been fabulous although too bad I'm no good at drawing them which I'll need to do before I do the mosaic! Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Robin Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Jo, what about using the goddess of fertility on your table? Colin Heaney in Byron Bay does a beautiful glass sculpture of her. I have two of these little scuptures because they're so beautiful to hold and feel. http://www.yoni.com/cheaney/goddesses1.shtml. Also, I too think we should be digging at the issue of routine Vitamin K. Any research to stir the pot would be useful, as it's so entrenched in our hospitals. Or, if you really want to stir people up, why not research the current favourite policy of suggesting that ALL babies be Hep B immunised, and the link into disturbance of estblishing breast feeding? cheers, Robin - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? jo, i can't think of any research ideas at the moment. however, and idea for artwork i have been meaning to do myself but as a sculpture is the classic breastfeeding mother looking down on her babe, bubs hand on mothers breast. love Bethany -Original Message- From: Lois Wattis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2003 15:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Hi Jo! (HUG!!) Great to hear from you. Idea's for a Masters.. hmmm - how about something about vitamin K administration (especially intramuscular injection at birth), and it's (suspected) link to increased rates of jaundice in newborns. Do babies given oral vit K have less incidence of jaundice requiring phototherapy? Do babies who are not given vitamin K at all have the same or less incidence of jaundice? It seems to me a high number of babies born in hospitals seem to develop jaundice which requires phototherapy. Could the common denominator be the IM Vit. K?? causing increased viscosity of the circulating blood, so therefore increased deposition / slower elimination of unconjugated bilirubin? I wonder?. Idea's for a mosaic? What about something similarly constructed to the CMP logo - a picture of a woman and baby in the centre, with the houses and linked figures holding hands around the edge? You've got me thinking about art work now! Take care my friend, love Lois - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Dear List, I've just returned to Brisbane and have re-joined the list again after spending time in Perth doing some observations for my studies with the fabulous midwives of the CMP - (Hi all you lovely ladies over there). This is a wonderful list to be on and so educatonal. I've been asked by my tutor to talk to the Grad Dip Mid students at ACU in Oct, so I'll be enthusiastically spreading the word of continuous midwifery care. She (my tutor) is also encouraging me to do my Masters, (not sure if I will yet), so I was wondering if anyone out there had suggestions for me for subjects that I could do a small research on. I've never done anything like this before and know nothing about research, (I'm a hospital midwife and have only recently embarked on university studies). I already have some vague ideas but I'm sure there are plenty of other ideas that I haven't thought of. I also want to mosiac my coffee table and would love to do something that symbolized birth/midwives etc, but being a hopeless artist I haven't been able to think of a simple design to do. Can anyone help??? Cheers, Joanne (Fisher) -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac?
Good idea Lois!! Love Jo - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Hi Jo - how about picking some photo's or pictures you like, scanning them, printing them out, and using them for your template for your mosaic. Or you could use the pictures themselves, cut up, mosaic style?? Love Lois - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Thankyou all of you that have given me suggestions for my research topic and my table. If there are any more ideas please send them to me. I'm not one to make quick decisions! An idea for research I had was to look at why there are so many inductions these days, does anyone know if there's been anything done on that? The ideas of Vit. K and Hep. B are also very good suggestions. The suggestions for my table have been fabulous although too bad I'm no good at drawing them which I'll need to do before I do the mosaic! Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Robin Moon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Jo, what about using the goddess of fertility on your table? Colin Heaney in Byron Bay does a beautiful glass sculpture of her. I have two of these little scuptures because they're so beautiful to hold and feel. http://www.yoni.com/cheaney/goddesses1.shtml. Also, I too think we should be digging at the issue of routine Vitamin K. Any research to stir the pot would be useful, as it's so entrenched in our hospitals. Or, if you really want to stir people up, why not research the current favourite policy of suggesting that ALL babies be Hep B immunised, and the link into disturbance of estblishing breast feeding? cheers, Robin - Original Message - From: Neretlis, Bethany [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? jo, i can't think of any research ideas at the moment. however, and idea for artwork i have been meaning to do myself but as a sculpture is the classic breastfeeding mother looking down on her babe, bubs hand on mothers breast. love Bethany -Original Message- From: Lois Wattis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 2 August 2003 15:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Hi Jo! (HUG!!) Great to hear from you. Idea's for a Masters.. hmmm - how about something about vitamin K administration (especially intramuscular injection at birth), and it's (suspected) link to increased rates of jaundice in newborns. Do babies given oral vit K have less incidence of jaundice requiring phototherapy? Do babies who are not given vitamin K at all have the same or less incidence of jaundice? It seems to me a high number of babies born in hospitals seem to develop jaundice which requires phototherapy. Could the common denominator be the IM Vit. K?? causing increased viscosity of the circulating blood, so therefore increased deposition / slower elimination of unconjugated bilirubin? I wonder?. Idea's for a mosaic? What about something similarly constructed to the CMP logo - a picture of a woman and baby in the centre, with the houses and linked figures holding hands around the edge? You've got me thinking about art work now! Take care my friend, love Lois - Original Message - From: Mrs Joanne M Fisher To: Ozmidwifery Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:50 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac? Dear List, I've just returned to Brisbane and have re-joined the list again after spending time in Perth doing some observations for my studies with the fabulous midwives of the CMP - (Hi all you lovely ladies over there). This is a wonderful list to be on and so educatonal. I've been asked by my tutor to talk to the Grad Dip Mid students at ACU in Oct, so I'll be enthusiastically spreading the word of continuous midwifery care. She (my tutor) is also encouraging me to do my Masters, (not sure if I will yet), so I was wondering if anyone out there had suggestions for me for subjects that I could do a small research on. I've never done anything like this before and know nothing about research, (I'm a hospital midwife and have only recently embarked on university studies). I already have some vague ideas but I'm sure there are plenty of other ideas that I haven't thought of. I also want to mosiac my coffee table and would love to do
[ozmidwifery] Any ideas for research and mosiac?
Dear List, I've just returned to Brisbane and have re-joined the list again after spending time in Perth doing some observations for my studies with the fabulous midwives of the CMP - (Hi all you lovely ladies over there). This is a wonderful list to be on and so educatonal. I've been asked by my tutor to talk to the Grad Dip Mid students at ACU in Oct, so I'll be enthusiastically spreading the word of continuous midwifery care. She (my tutor) is also encouraging me to do my Masters, (not sure if I will yet),so I was wondering if anyone out there had suggestions for me for subjects that I could do a small research on. I've never done anything like this before and know nothing about research, (I'm a hospital midwife and have only recently embarked on university studies). I already have some vague ideas butI'm sure there areplenty of other ideas that I haven't thought of. I also want to mosiac my coffee table and would love to do something that symbolized birth/midwives etc, but being a hopeless artist I haven't been able to think of a simple design to do. Can anyone help??? Cheers, Joanne (Fisher)
[ozmidwifery] Health Minutes 30-07-2003 Safe genetic screening tests
Dear List, This may be of interest to you. Cheers Jo Fisher SAFE GENETIC SCREENING TESTS (Health Minutes: 30/07/2003)Pregnant women face some choices if they want to have their baby screenedfor genetic abnormalities, but miscarriage is a possible side effect. Astudy shows that the safest approaches are amniocentesis at 16 weeks andchorionic villous sampling via the abdomen. http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes/stories/s913191.htm Health Minutes 30-07-2003 Safe genetic screening tests.url Description: Binary data
[ozmidwifery] Alice's continued stories
Dear Aviva, Thanks for posting Alice's continued stories, I love reading them. She writes so well. Cheers, Joanne.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Birthtalk's First Birth
Title: Birthtalk's First Birth Holly's birth story brought tears to my eyes. The power of women! Love Joanne. - Original Message - From: rem melissa bruijn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Birthtalk's First Birth Hi, everyone and Happy New Year (a bit late, I know!)I was on this list until Xmas chewed me up and spat me out, and I unsubscribed in a desperate attempt to get things done! Anyway, happy to be back again, and wanted to start things off with a story about our first mum attending Birthtalk to give birth. Some of you may have seen it on the Birthrites chat list - sorry! -- MelissaBirthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth Birthtalk's First Birth!Just had to let you all know : our first "Birthtalk" mother gave birth recently, and we are all a bit excited! At our first meeting for 2003, on Jan 21, we held a Blessingway ceremony for Holly, as she was 37 wks. We had a red candle for strength, courage, fertility and power, and all 12 women present offered Holly messages of encouragement, affirmation of her strength and her beautiful birthing body. Then we all sat with our eyes closed, sending her strength and support. Holly sobbed through the whole process : she has come such a long way on this journey, and we felt as if we'd been right there with her. (last birth : c/sec for "cpd" when fully dilated and pushing : given way too many VE's and told she had a damaged tailbone (after an internal while lying down) and told pushing would be like pushing against a wall)We collected written messages of encouragement from the women present, to be delivered to her the next day, as she had to leave the meeting early. Someone commented before she left that it looked as tho her baby had dropped during the meeting. The next day, she called my sil, Deb, who is Holly's neighbour and co-facilitator of Birthtalk - and a midwife. Deb went over and found Holly just out of the shower...and in labour. Holly burst into tears and said she didn't feel ready, and she was so scared. So Deb sat with her, and read her each of the messages written at her Blessingway the nite before, that Deb had made into a little book. She started saying "Yes - I AM strong, I CAN do this," and really brightened up. Deb took Holly's 2yo home, and left her full of confidence and determination, waiting for the midwife and her dh to arrive.Before she left to go with Deb, Holly's 2yo daughter looked up at her while she moved her hips and said, "Mummy?". Deb told her that Mummy was dancing, that she was dancing the baby out, and that later Mummy would sing the baby out. How beautiful is that?When Deb phoned me to say Holly was in labour, we both cried. It was just so fantastic that it was all happening. Holly had worked so hard to find the right place of birth for her, the right midwife for her, managed to work with a VERY reticent husband and encourage him to come to his own decision about a homebirth, and overcome her feelings about her last experience. I sent an email to all the women who had been at Birthtalk the nite before, telling them the news, and asking them to think of Holly. Holly knew we were doing this and was really happy about it. We had some excited ph calls and emails!Five hours later I phoned Deb again, to hear that she had just popped over to Holly's with a meat pie, and put it in the oven for them. She could hear a beautiful Birth Song from the hallway, and knew she was in 2nd stage. The midwife ducked into the kitchen and said Holly was doing beautifully and it wouldn't be long now. I senet out a new email : "Holly's in 2nd stage", and we all got excited again.Then I got a call from Deb : 10 minutes after she left Holly's place, Holly had pushed out a gorgeous 7lb boy! Her dh had come over an hour later with the news, and to take their 2yo home. He was so excited and happy, and elated. So Deb and I had another cry!That's all I know so far : except that Holly is up and about, and has yet to name her little man. ANd that she is fairly chuffed with herself! She has been such an inspiration for other women in Birthtalk, especially those who have also chosen a homebirth after a cs. Sigh - birth is beautiful, isn't it?MelissaBirthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth
Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth When is your next get-to-gether Melissa? Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: rem melissa bruijn To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth Hi, Kim! Two friends (one who is a midwife and childbirth educator) and I facilitate a group in Brisbane called "Birthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth". We have about 10 women currently attending our Forums and Healing From Birth meetings. At least 4-5 of these women are planning homebirths.We would be glad to have a chat to you anytime: I will include more info about Birthtalk at the end of this email. You will also find information on the Home Midwifery Association (HMA) website at www.homebirth.org.au. They have a list of homebirth midwives in the Bris, Sunshine and Gold coast areas. There are a few out there...you just have to know where to find them!! And when you do : they are lovely people...well, the ones I've met are, anyway! THe HMA also have meetings every fortnight at Windsor in Bris, where you can meet lots of other homebirth mums and ask heaps of Q's.Also see the other email I am posting to Ozmid today : about our first "Birthtalk" mum to have her baby : a beautiful vbac (vaginal birth after caesarean) homebirth! And we have women due every month up to July, so far.Best of luck, and feel free to call anytime.-- MelissaBirthtalk : Sharing, Empowering, Celebrating Birth Birthtalk presents two Groups for women, meeting at Toowong in Brisbane on a monthly basis. We hope to empower women by providing access to current literature information about birth, as well as birthing options in the Brisbane, Sunshine Coast and Gold Coast area. In both our groups, we encourage an atmosphere of celebration of birth, and of ourselves as women. Birthtalk Forum is a series of forums for women to share their thoughts, expectations and experiences of birth. This Forum is for pregnant women, and any woman passionate about Birth. Women are invited to talk to mothers who have already birthed babies and learn from each woman's experience. Each month presents a different Topic to be discussed , however, individual concerns and questions are always welcome. Healing From Birth Support Group : through this group, we aim to provide a support network for women who are healing emotionally from past birth experiences and those who are preparing for births after a difficult previous birth . It is a venue for women to debrief share in a safe environment. Women can talk to other mothers and share ideas to support each other. This group may be of benefit to women recovering emotionally from a Caesarean birth or a difficult or disappointing vaginal delivery. We at Birthtalk believe that the birthing process is an important rite of passage allowing for women's personal growth. A woman's experience of the birthing process, whether positive, negative or indifferent, is what she will carry into motherhood, as a source of strength or as a challenge. This is why Birthtalk was formed : because we believe that women are entitled to have access to knowledge that will enable them to make the best possible birthing choices for themselves and their babies , and perhaps further understand their past birth experiences. birthtalk aims to:- provide a forum for women to share their thoughts, expectations and experiences of birth- to empower women by providing access to current and accurate literature information about birth and birthing options- provide a support network for women who are healing from past birth experiences and those who are preparing for births after a difficult previous birth - to encourage an atmosphere of celebration of birth, and of ourselves as women. Birthtalk is facilitated by a group of mothers, including a midwife and childbirth educator, who saw a need for a Forum such as this. Debby : ph 3379 7424Karen : ph 3720 1101Melissa : ph 3356 7449 email us at : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Judy Waller mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 6:35 PMSubject: [ozmidwifery] homebirth hi. i'm in bayside brisbane area and looking
Re: [ozmidwifery] Who/what The Tao Te Ching is?
Thanks Sally for that wonderful explanation. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Who/what The Tao Te Ching is? The Tao Te Ching, the ancient Chinese Book of the Tao was written by philosopher Lao Tzu around 2500 BC. Not a religion, Taoism resembles modern Physics in that it describes the nature of the universe, the laws that govern it and the ideal ways that a person might place themselves in harmony with those laws. As the oldest surviving book, it shows that the simpler and more in tune with the laws of Nature something is, the longer it will endure. The Tao Te Ching is a challenge. It challenges you to see the world as it actually is by accepting the stark truth of the physical laws that control existence and evolution. It challenges us to discover intellectual independence wherein we have complete trust in our own perceptions and instincts. It challenges you to reject force and rely rather on the steady force of your attitudes to influence others. Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife You are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think ought to be happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that the mother is helped, yet still free and in charge. When the baby is born, the mother will rightly say: We did it ourselves! from The Tao Te Ching -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today
Title: Message I too would love a copy please Cas. Also, wishing you love and stength for your birth. Cheers, Joanne. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today Would love you to email a copy to me please regards, Robyn - Original Message - From: Wayne and Caroline McCullough To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today Hi Rhonda, Sarah Buckley (a doctor and a homebirth mum of 4) has a very informative and well referecedarticleabout ultrasounds. If you want I can pass it on via email. Just email me privately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you would like a copy for your friend. IMHO amnios are not worth the risk and should not be done after 4 months gestation. They are supposed to do those a lot earlier if there is a high risk of problems and only in cases where a woman may wish to terminate the pregnancy. Chees, Cas. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of RhondaSent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 10:20 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today I have a friend who is about 4 months pregnant - due in about June I think. She was telling me today that they want her to have an amniosentisis to check for Downs syndrome etc... She is 27 yrs old and this is her first shild with no history in the family of disability. Why would they want her to have a test like that done? She is not high risk as far as i can tell. the only other factor which I can think of and can not believe is that she is very dark skinned African and her husband a white Australian. Anyone got any idea why the hospital would request she do this? I told her of the risks that they had not mentioned. Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 22:09:50 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today Duck Aviva!! A pinards is the 'ear trumpet' that was used to listen to the baby's heart beat before the invention of sonicaids and monitors. I have a beautiful hand turned pinards made from ash. Sadly many 'modern' midwives don't have the comfidence to use one. Sally - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today OK, wot's pinards? (Is it so obvious I need to duck?) Aviva - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today That is fantastic! I use my pinards for all my antenatal visits too, as I don't like to putelectronic gadgets near a developing and sensitive babySally WestburyHomebirth Midwife --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Who/what The Tao Te Ching is?
Dear Sally, I love your footnote Quote. Can you tell me who/what The Tao Te Ching is? Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:36 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Had a win today That is fantastic! I use my pinards for all my antenatal visits too, as I don't like to put electronic gadgets near a developing and sensitive baby Sally Westbury Homebirth Midwife You are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without show or fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think ought to be happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that the mother is helped, yet still free and in charge. When the baby is born, the mother will rightly say: We did it ourselves! from The Tao Te Ching -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.....when Sally met Harry....(Long)
What a wonderful experience for you, may there be many, many more. How lucky these women are to have you caring for them. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:45 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] A follow thru journey.when Sally met Harry(Long) Hi fellow listersthought I'd share my most recent follow thru journey with you all...
[ozmidwifery] Northern Suburbs Midwifery Programme (S.A).
I would like to contact someone involved with the Northern Suburbs Midwifery Programme (S.A). Any takers? Cheers, Joanne.
Re: [ozmidwifery] re True knots
I also witnessed a baby born with a true knot in his cord this week. He was in good condition. I've also seen sad results from a true knot some years ago. There are powers greater than ours at work. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:29 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re True knots I witnessed a baby born last week with a true knot. Was also told a story last week of a twin vaginal birth where when the placenta was birthed the obs went white as a sheet for the two little babies had been working on a macramé pot holder!! The woman who birthed these babies said that the knots were the size of a fist!! Amazing! In peace and joy Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] What Doctors learn at med school
Lois, Your website is gorgeous. Joanne. - Original Message - From: Lois Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] What Doctors learn at med school Robyn, your response is so articulate and accurate. I think it should be adapted to a "letters to the editor" type form and submitted to mainstream and professional printed media for publication. I agree entirely with your views - WELL SAID. You havedescribed the situation just as I see it. Yoursuggestion of enlargingour profile to incorporate an Australasian (ieAustralian/New Zealand) approach could also strengthen our collective push for birth reform. Best wishes, Lois Lois WattisRegistered Midwifewww.birthjourney.com
Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP and the Staus of Women
Well done Megan Cheers,Joanne. - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:30 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] NMAP and the Staus of Women Hi all today myself and another consumer had a lengthy appointment with S.A.'s Minister for the Status of Women. She was very interested in NMAP and what we had to say. She is going to invite us to a number of other meetings so as we can spread the word to other women and their various groups. She sees this as something that she needs to get behind and support. So, how about every Minister for the Staus of Women has a visit from someone who can educate them on NMAP? It seems people are interested and willing to help, we just need to tell them it exists. Lets go out and educate, Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts?
I would love the chance to do one-to-one Midwifery care and feel confident that it could be intergrated into one's life. For me though having only worked in the Hospital system it would be a matter of feeling confident/educated to be able to do so, but I am working on this. The long shifts are great, I used to do 12 1/2 hour shifts in California 13 years ago in a small Obstetric Unit and you just get used to them. There were plenty of women who I worked with who managed their families, it's all a matter what one is used to. I also did 10 hour night shifts back in 1983 in W.A. The free time off seemed longer and better quality somehow. I agree a lot of Midwives may find it hard to adjust to life outside the 8 hour shift, but with time and the satisfaction from one-to-one Midwifery care, hopefully things will change. Thank you to all of the wonderful dedicated Midwives and upcoming B Mid Midwives who keep me inspired on this list, in a system difficult at times to cope with. Tonight I'm off to hear Denise speak in Brisbane. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Dawn Worgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? Debby M wrote: I have recently been corresponding with a friend of mine who is an obstetrician. He supports midwifery models of care, particularly those that offer integrated choice so that midwives and obstetricians can work together. He did state to me however that he believes one of the great obstacles to such models is the reluctance of most midwives to work other than an 8 hour shift, and to possibly have to do away with family time and holidays and to be called out at odd hours to attend births. I am sure there are probably some out there that do like the straight forwardness of shifts however I would be interested to hear the opinion of you ladies (and gentlemen) about your experience of the dedication of midwives when they are expected to provide ongoing antenatal, birth and postnatal support - outside the normal 8 hour shift, as my gut feeling is that the majority of midwives would love the opportunity to be able to fully use their skills in the support and care of pregnant and birthing women without unnecessary guidance or interferrence. Debby Protect your PC - Click here http://g.msn.com/8HMREN/2024 for McAfee.com VirusScan Online -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. I work in a caseload model of care which means on call plus all the things you mentioned, and personally I love it (most of the time) but when we are looking for other midwives to replace us for long service leave or whatever, we cant get midwives interested and we often have comments like I dont know how you do it! or I have a life outside work (so do I is my reply I fit work in around my life not the other way around) but its a long standing culture we need to work at changing my hope lies in the new direct entry midwives who believe what I do is the norm !So though I wish it wasn't the case I think your friend is right. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Fw: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts?
I forgot to thank all the other hard working and dedicated women who contribute to this list, without you we are nothing. Hope I'm forgiven. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? I would love the chance to do one-to-one Midwifery care and feel confident that it could be intergrated into one's life. For me though having only worked in the Hospital system it would be a matter of feeling confident/educated to be able to do so, but I am working on this. The long shifts are great, I used to do 12 1/2 hour shifts in California 13 years ago in a small Obstetric Unit and you just get used to them. There were plenty of women who I worked with who managed their families, it's all a matter what one is used to. I also did 10 hour night shifts back in 1983 in W.A. The free time off seemed longer and better quality somehow. I agree a lot of Midwives may find it hard to adjust to life outside the 8 hour shift, but with time and the satisfaction from one-to-one Midwifery care, hopefully things will change. Thank you to all of the wonderful dedicated Midwives and upcoming B Mid Midwives who keep me inspired on this list, in a system difficult at times to cope with. Tonight I'm off to hear Denise speak in Brisbane. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Dawn Worgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Obstetric Perception - Your thoughts? Debby M wrote: I have recently been corresponding with a friend of mine who is an obstetrician. He supports midwifery models of care, particularly those that offer integrated choice so that midwives and obstetricians can work together. He did state to me however that he believes one of the great obstacles to such models is the reluctance of most midwives to work other than an 8 hour shift, and to possibly have to do away with family time and holidays and to be called out at odd hours to attend births. I am sure there are probably some out there that do like the straight forwardness of shifts however I would be interested to hear the opinion of you ladies (and gentlemen) about your experience of the dedication of midwives when they are expected to provide ongoing antenatal, birth and postnatal support - outside the normal 8 hour shift, as my gut feeling is that the majority of midwives would love the opportunity to be able to fully use their skills in the support and care of pregnant and birthing women without unnecessary guidance or interferrence. Debby Protect your PC - Click here http://g.msn.com/8HMREN/2024 for McAfee.com VirusScan Online -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. I work in a caseload model of care which means on call plus all the things you mentioned, and personally I love it (most of the time) but when we are looking for other midwives to replace us for long service leave or whatever, we cant get midwives interested and we often have comments like I dont know how you do it! or I have a life outside work (so do I is my reply I fit work in around my life not the other way around) but its a long standing culture we need to work at changing my hope lies in the new direct entry midwives who believe what I do is the norm !So though I wish it wasn't the case I think your friend is right. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Birth tableau
Subject: Fwd: Fw: birth tableau I just had to send this one on. Betsy, a grammar-school teacher from Miami, remembers this Oscar-worthy birth tableau from one of her students... I've been teaching now for about fifteen years. I have two kids myself, but the best birth story I know is the one I saw in my own second-grade classroom a few years back . When I was a kid, I loved show-and-tell. So I always have a few sessions with my students. It helps them get over shyness and experience a little public speaking. And it gives me a break and some guaranteed entertainment. Usually, show-and-tell is pretty tame. Kids bring in pet turtles, Model airplanes, pictures of fish they catch, stuff like that. And I never, Ever place any boundaries or limitations on them. If they want to lug it To school and talk about it, they're welcome. Well, one day this little girl, Erica - a very bright, very out-going kid - takes her turn and waddles up to the front of the class with a pillow stuffed under her sweater. She holds up a snapshot of an infant. "This is Luke, my baby brother, and I'm going to tell you about his birthday. First, Mommy and Daddy made him as a symbol of their love, and then Daddy put a seed in my mother's stomach, and Luke grew in there. He ate for nine months through an umbrella cord." She's standing there with her hands on the pillow, and I'm trying not To laugh and wishing I had a video camera rolling. The kids are watching Her in amazement. "Then, about two Saturdays ago, my mother starts going, 'Oh, oh, oh! '" Erica puts a hand behind her back and groans. "She walked around the House for, like an hour, 'Oh, oh, oh!'" Now the kids' are all doing this hysterical duck-walk, holding their back and groaning. "My father called the middle wife. She delivers babies, but she doesn't have a sign on the car like the Domino's man. They got my mother to lie down in bed like this." Erica lies down with her back against the wall. "And then, pop! My mother had this bag of water she kept in there in case he got thirsty, and it just blew up and spilled all over the bed, like psshhheew!" This kid has her legs spread and with her little hands is miming water flowing way. It was too much! "Then the middle wife starts going "push, push, and breathe, breathe." They start counting, but they never even got past ten. Then - all of a sudden - out comes my brother. He was covered in yucky stuff they said was from the play-center, so there must be a lot of stuff inside there." Then Erica stood up, took a big theatrical bow and returned to her seat. I'm sure I applauded the loudest. Ever since then, if it's show-and-tell day, I bring my camcorder - just in case another Erica comes along.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD
Thanks Ann for the number Cheers Joanne - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Jo, Sorry I have taken so long,phone is (07) 33969718.Ann. so busy. --- Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Anne, yes could you give me her details. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Joanne, Her clinic is Bayside Breastfeeding Clinic.Her partner is Anne Bovey,a paed.speechie.Ann p.s. do you need a phone no.? --- Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ann - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Joanne, Is a L.C. in Brisbane any use?Robyn Noble is in a suburb there.Ann --- Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/9/02 6:14 PM, Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear ozmidders, A friend of mine has 4 week old and is having some breastfeeding problems. Can anyone give me the name of a Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD, so I can pass it along to her. Thanks so much in anticipation. Cheers, Joanne. Hi Joanne I believe Denise Fisher is the guru of lactation up Brisbane way. She would know who¹s who on the sunshine coast. Contact Denise through www.BreastEd.com.au Cheers Jan Robinson __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: For Sale - Wife
Jo, his email is so beautiful. It brought tears to my eyes. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Jo Dean Bainbridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 1:00 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: For Sale - Wife if anyone wants to know how I can keep bashing my head against the brick wall of birth just take a look at the email I got from my hubby today!~ cheers Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:30 AM Subject: For Sale - Wife FOR SALE - NEW NEAR WIFE VG Condition Only 8 years of unconditional love on the clock. Good breeder with 3 beautiful boys to prove it (also for sale) Comes with good references from birthing mums, troubled friends, influential politicians, one adoring mum. Has a generous heart and an infectious good nature. Good shoulders for crying on. Arms that hold you forever. Eyes that never stop looking forward. Brain in fair cond. Prone to nutty outbursts, Faerie fixations and idecisiveness over hair colour Will trade for convincing life size poster of Jennifer Love Hewitt For an inspection, call the guy that would do any to please her. Anything to hold her just a little longer each day and let her know that no matter how dim things seem to get sometimes, we have come so far on a journey which is only a dream to most couples. He'd also like to remind her that she has been a part of every good reason, good decision , great event and happy moment in his life since they met. He loves her very much, but she's just too much up keep. Reluctant Sale! Bargain! Don't Wait. Call Now. ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD
Thanks Vicki, Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Karen Adcock is on the Sunny Coast.. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD
Thanks Anne, yes could you give me her details. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Joanne, Her clinic is Bayside Breastfeeding Clinic.Her partner is Anne Bovey,a paed.speechie.Ann p.s. do you need a phone no.? --- Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ann - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Joanne, Is a L.C. in Brisbane any use?Robyn Noble is in a suburb there.Ann --- Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/9/02 6:14 PM, Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear ozmidders, A friend of mine has 4 week old and is having some breastfeeding problems. Can anyone give me the name of a Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD, so I can pass it along to her. Thanks so much in anticipation. Cheers, Joanne. Hi Joanne I believe Denise Fisher is the guru of lactation up Brisbane way. She would know who¹s who on the sunshine coast. Contact Denise through www.BreastEd.com.au Cheers Jan Robinson __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Byron Bay
Dear Ozmidders, Can anyone tell me what the programme will bethat is being held at Byron Bay end Oct./early Nov.and how much it is, as so far I've had no luck in finding out. Thanks heaps. Cheers, Joanne.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Thanks Jan - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD On 30/9/02 6:14 PM, "Mrs joanne m fisher" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear ozmidders,A friend of mine has 4 week old and is having some breastfeeding problems. Can anyone give me the name of a Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD, so I can pass it along to her. Thanks so much in anticipation.Cheers, Joanne.Hi JoanneI believe Denise Fisher is the guru of lactation up Brisbane way. She would know whos who on the sunshine coast.Contact Denise through www.BreastEd.com.auCheersJan Robinson
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD
Thanks Ann - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Joanne, Is a L.C. in Brisbane any use?Robyn Noble is in a suburb there.Ann --- Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/9/02 6:14 PM, Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear ozmidders, A friend of mine has 4 week old and is having some breastfeeding problems. Can anyone give me the name of a Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD, so I can pass it along to her. Thanks so much in anticipation. Cheers, Joanne. Hi Joanne I believe Denise Fisher is the guru of lactation up Brisbane way. She would know who¹s who on the sunshine coast. Contact Denise through www.BreastEd.com.au Cheers Jan Robinson __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD
Dear ozmidders, A friend of mine has 4 week old and is having some breastfeeding problems. Can anyone give me the name of a Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD, so I can pass it along to her. Thanks so much in anticipation. Cheers, Joanne.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Long Long labours
Hi there Tracey and ozmidders, I looked after a woman (with a private obstetrician) earlier this year who was a 'trial of scar' (horrible word) and at handover the impression we were given was that she wasn't 'doing much' and would end up with a c/s. They allocated her care to me and when I went and spoke with her (and her mother), found a terrified woman who just felt so scared she just couldn't do it. All it took from me was a few words of encouragement and the belief that she could do it and guess what, she did do it!!! She was ecstatic. It seems so simple doesn't it. Sorry I can't remember all the details. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Tracey Askew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 3:35 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Long Long labours Hi all, I was just wondering, in our current post natal group of first time mums, during the sessions where we have been talking about birthstories, the common theme this term has been these really long labours, with very slow (if any) dilation. Most of them ended with intervention, and disappointment in their body. Now most of us here understand the physiology of childbirth, how fear will create an adrenaline rush, which directly works against labour. What I would love to hear, are any stories where a woman birthing has experienced a dramatic change as a result of the support she has received. For example; something said to her that has helped her to release fear during the process, which has then allowed her body to make a dramatic turn during her labour. Another example might be a story related to why a long slow labour has been an important experience for a woman. I would love to cite some stories to women (the art of storytelling being a VERY power medium) helping them to understand the unique and wonderful complexities of the human body, and how it is a wonderful teacher, allowing us to grow and expand into infinite possibilities. Helping women to see what is possible will go a long way into their birthing and mothering experiences. Thank you in advance for sharing your wisdom. Tracey Anderson Askew -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Another VBAC
Dear Debby, Thank you for sharing your beautiful birth story with us and many congrats to you and your family. Let us hope with NMAP, stories like this will be commonplace in the future. Maybe we will see you next week at King George Square on Sept. 24th. Cheers Joanne. - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 7:25 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Another VBAC Hi Ladies, Just to let you know my little daughter came into the world at 00.40am on 11th Sept 02. She was my 2nd VBAC. It was a wonderful experience. I had been "niggly" all day but just thought it was braxton hicks. I finally went into proper labour after putting my boys to bed at about 7.30 - 8.00 pm. We only just made it to the hospital, arriving at 11.45pm and it took me a good 10mins and 3 contractions to get from the car to the RWH Birth Centre Brisbane. She was a "sort of" water birth. Her head was born under water but then it was realised that her shoulder was stuck so I had to stand up to allow my wonderful midwife Marg to free her - and she did it with no episiotomy and only a tiny first degree tear.Claire was a little flat after her birth and needed some oxygen but picked up quickly and was fine by 10mins. We wenthome the same day at 7.30pm and sheisa lovely content baby. The support I had from Marg, my wonderful husband Philip and my super doula Ann was just wonderful. I experienced this birth with no pain relief what so ever - it never really even occurred to me to have any. Despite the hiccup of the shoulder dystocia this was definitely my best birth. I have seen there has been some debate on doulas vs midwives - well a simple opinion from a woman who had both at her birth. There is a place for both. I had a good relationship with Marg and trusted her implicitly but she was my professional carer and this was her primary role necessitating her to potentially make decisions that required a degree of professional detachment for both my care and the baby's. Ann as my doula did not have to have any professional detachment at all. Even when Marg had to provide the "medical" attention to release Claire's shoulder Ann was able to provide for me a mothering role and advice to Philip and methat everything was ok and to keep applying supporting services, like the water being poured over my back and some strong shoulders to lean on and hold. I think it needs to be recognised that the trust relationship between the midwife and woman is very important and that there is no doubt the midwife a! s carer can provide valuable support and advice on support to the woman and her spouse - however sometimes there are "hiccups" and they must be her first priority and it is particularly at these times that the full value of the doula comes into play. Anyway just some food for thought. Debby Mum of Claire Elizabeth Margaret Miller Born: 11 Sept 02 Weight: 4080g (9lb) Length: 52cm Head: 34.7cm Features: Reddish blond hair, long fingers and absolutely beautiful. Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Conference
Dear Liz, Do you have the programme and cost of the Byron Bay conference? Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Ms Elizabeth McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Conference NSWMA Conference in Byron Bay 31/10/02,1-2/1102. Liz McCall - Original Message - From: Ms Elizabeth McCall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sue Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Conference NSWMA Conference in Byron Bay 31/10/02,1-2/1102. Liz McCall - Original Message - From: Sue Rose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 11:09 AM Subject: re: Conference If you meant conferences, Belinda, perhaps the Evidence Based care one? it's in Melbourne in august. the other one Capers are doing is Noosa (Oct). got an update to say that speakers include Terri Shilling, Carolyn Hastie, Vicky Chan... Anyone else know of more in Melbourne? Sue At 10:14 22/05/2002, Belinda Maier wrote: Can people let me know if you have heard of any interesting conferences coming up this year?I heard there is a midwifery one coming up in Melbourne???Thanks Belinda __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Oxytocin and milk supply
Dear Mary, Once again, thank you for this reference. I was able to borrow this magazine and Michel's book from Sarah. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy To: Mrs joanne m fisher ; Ozmidwifery Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:32 PM Subject: Re: Oxytocin and milk supply Dear Joanne, An article in Mothering magazine No. 111 march 2000 pp50-61 by Sarah Buckley a Brisbane G.P. "Ecstatic Birth: The Hormonal Blueprint of Labour" follows much the same line and has 74 references. It follows the hormonal path through conception , pregnancy, labour, birth, 3rd stge and breastfeeding. If you can get hold of it you might get references that will help you.Cheers, MM
Re: The Sunday Times/Mail Article
Well said Debby!!! - Original Message - From: Debby M To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:27 AM Subject: The Sunday Times/Mail Article Ok I got riled when I read that article from the Sunday Mail and wrote a response to the editor. With any luck they may take some notice and publish an article that shows the opposite side of the argument. Ref: Too Posh to Push What a crying shame so many women have been mislead in thinking a caesarean birth is safer than a vaginal delivery. A woman is between two and five times (depending on which research paper you read) more likely to die during a caesarean than she is during a vaginal delivery. She will also have a longer recovery time, is likely to have more problems breastfeeding if she wants to, is more likely to suffer from infertility in subsequent attempts at pregnancy, she is more likely to suffer endrometriosis and she is more likely to suffer from painful internal adhesions. In the meantime her baby is more likely to be born premature and is more likely to suffer from the potentially fatal fetal respiratory syndrome. No I am not a doctor or a midwife. My first child was born by emergency csec and I was very keen to ensure that my second would be born as safely as possible - so I read the medical research for myself. Despite my obstetrician saying a caesarean was safer and more convenient I was horrified to find that his information was not supported by the research. An ascertion that was confirmed when I visited another obstetrician who agreed that the research did indeed show vaginal delivery is safer. Having had both a caesarean and a 27 hour labour to birth my second child vaginally I would say that the few hours of pain in childbirth and a second degree tear were significantly easier to recover from than the months of pain I suffered after my caesarean (and I had a good recovery according to most my caesarean commrades). The other big arguement many women use is for a caesarean over a vaginal delivery is that they wish to remain "intact". This too is dissillusionment a caesarean does not reduce your risk of uterine prolaspse or urinary incontinence. The damage that increases the risk of these conditions occurs during pregnancy not birth. The third factor commonly cited is the problem with the pain. When it comes to pain I am the worlds biggest wimp. However pain can be dealt with, there are a number of medical and non medical ways that can make birth significantly more comfortable - there is of course some risk in pain relief too depending on the choice taken. Medicated pain reliefs can go through the placenta to the baby (pethadine) or slow the labour down (epidural). Non medicated pain reliefs are not as effective - massage, warm baths etc - although I personally found a warm bath more effective than pethadine. With regards to convenience, there is always the option of induction (although this is also not without its risks), however I personally would prefer a healthy baby than one born by my diary - and yes I work full time in a professional position. Our children too precious to take unnecessary risks with. There are most certainly instances when a caesarean delivery is safer than a vaginal delivery but not at the 25% rate Australia currently has - according to WHO the safe caesarean rate is around 10%. I am now looking forward to the birth of my next child and unless there is a medical reason either before or during my labour she will be born the way Mother Nature designed me to have her. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com.-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Oxytocin and milk supply
Hi there, I was wondering if anyone has heard of any research linking the use of oxytocin in labour and the effect on breastfeeding/milk supply? Cheers, Joanne.
