Re: Is it time to open source Silverlight?
Who owns it? it's owned by the Windows team now (well sort of ..given XAML from memory got moved under them and now the Windows Phone and Windows teams all belong to the same family). The plan anyone puts forward will have to be carefully crafted and assuming the teams in charge aren't smart enough to see you coming ;) ... for instance the slightest hint it would end up as a low level virtual machine for XAML/C# to exist in any device that doesn't start with Windows would be the first issue at hand. Then would come gaming engines mutating it beyond enterprise application(s) such as Unity3D etc all using it as a nice tidy 2D rendering platform to help out on some of the heavy lifting in gaming. It could be dangerous for Microsoft but you'd win more in developer and XAML/C# mind share assuming Microsoft still rates that as a worthy investment beyond just the usual ASP.NET rhetoric. Microsoft seems to be a services/hardware business now so unless the OSS benefits those two levers... it's just simply a case of waiting for the corpse to decay now *sadly*. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:29 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: I think we need the chicken before the egg. Meaning, who will maintain it, is there a group that is willing to take over? An unmaintained OS project is just as bad as an unmaintained closed one. I think it's doable, but IMO, to make it stronger a request to Open Source it should be be accompanied from a proposal with a plan and people backing it up instead of ideas of what could be done. PS. It's nice to see some activity on this list. Miguel On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:08 AM, Jordan Knight jak...@gmail.com wrote: Who owns SL at the moment? Who would make this call? When WP goes WinRT there is no commercial reason not to... -- From: Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com Sent: 22/11/2013 9:59 PM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Cc: ozDotNet ozdot...@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: Is it time to open source Silverlight? I'll manage it if it does i have references... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:25 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote: http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/is-it-time-to-open-source-silverlight/ While I was at the MVP summit I started asking around about if it was time to open source Silverlight. My thoughts were if the technology is now considered done by Microsoft, then there are few reasons why it couldn't be released to the community to see what they can do with it. It was a solid technology (which isn't suitable in the modern world of the public web), but still has a nice niche on desktop. It could be interesting to see how the community extends it, and perhaps even put onto other platforms (like moonlight did). A basic game engine could be an interesting direction, or using it to embed within desktop applications. The point is, rather than let it rot internally at Microsoft, why not let the community go wild with it before it gets any more stale. http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/is-it-time-to-open-source-silverlight/ -David Burela ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Is it time to open source Silverlight?
I'll manage it if it does i have references... --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 5:25 PM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote: http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/is-it-time-to-open-source-silverlight/ While I was at the MVP summit I started asking around about if it was time to open source Silverlight. My thoughts were if the technology is now considered done by Microsoft, then there are few reasons why it couldn't be released to the community to see what they can do with it. It was a solid technology (which isn't suitable in the modern world of the public web), but still has a nice niche on desktop. It could be interesting to see how the community extends it, and perhaps even put onto other platforms (like moonlight did). A basic game engine could be an interesting direction, or using it to embed within desktop applications. The point is, rather than let it rot internally at Microsoft, why not let the community go wild with it before it gets any more stale. http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/is-it-time-to-open-source-silverlight/ -David Burela ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Generating path language strings
If you're keen to trace mapping into vector than you're better of taking out the old cheque book and buying some ESRI love. As from memory they have all of this already in place and can allow you to suck in their maps in XAML form into your apps. I've only dabbled with it but getting the mapping + borders into XAML form is pushing the boundaries of XAML. Everything is doable yet is it worthwhile is the question? --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Shane Morris (Automatic Studio) sh...@automaticstudio.com.au wrote: Oh, Expression Design can also trace a bitmap to produce a vector which SOMETIMES works well. ** ** *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Shane Morris (Automatic Studio) *Sent:* Thursday, 12 July 2012 12:05 PM *To:* ozSilverlight *Subject:* RE: Generating path language strings ** ** Expression Design has a larger range of vector drawing tools than Blend, and can export as XAML, or you can copy and paste the XAML. ** ** Keep an eye out for scaling though. Design has a habit of exporting XAML with an overall transform, which you could probably do without if you’re manipulating complex forms. ** ** shane ** ** *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph Cooney *Sent:* Thursday, 12 July 2012 11:42 AM *To:* ozSilverlight *Subject:* Re: Generating path language strings ** ** I usually use Inkscape and save as xaml. There is also a tool for scaling/manipulating paths, rather than nesting them inside a transform, which can be useful. Can provide a link if you want. Sent from my iPhone On 12/07/2012, at 10:23 AM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Earlier this year someone pointed me to the Styled ListBoxhttp://richapps.wordpress.com/2009/02/12/advanced-styling-wpf/sample. I was quite impressed the clever trick of totally restyling the ListBox control and item templates into a list polygons. I managed to convert the control to Silverlight, but it was a pain to convert the triggers into visual states, remove other non-WPF properties, and I took out some of the animations as being overkill. The polygon shapes are defined with path language strings which are appallingly difficult to write and read when they get complicated. Here is the shape of the US state of New Mexico for example (a very simple one):** ** F1 M 310.903,289.889L 228.569,281.556L 215.569,377.222L 228.903,378.222L 229.569,371.556L 252.903,373.556L 252.903,370.556L 304.236,375.889L 310.903,289.889 Z I will soon need to create paths for Australian states, Melbourne suburbs and other arbitrary “artistic” shapes and I was wondering how to do this. I suppose the states and suburbs are in public government sites somewhere that I can’t find yet (and they’re probably in the wrong format for me). What about generating paths for shapes of my own? Is there some tool that can help me draw pretty shapes and get path strings for them? Blend? Greg ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Skills
So true.. I am just a misunderstood genius and humble too! ;) Sent from my iPhone On 01/03/2012, at 4:09 PM, Nick Josevski nickjosev...@gmail.com wrote: Barnes freak like skills come at a price look how bitter he is ;) On 01/03/2012, at 5:07 PM, Shane Morris (Automatic Studio) sh...@automaticstudio.com.au wrote: Freak Shane Morris | Automatic Studio | sh...@automaticstudio.com.au | +61 438 818 888 On 01/03/2012, at 4:31 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: What if you can do both though? w00t. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Shane Morris (Automatic Studio) sh...@automaticstudio.com.au wrote: Damn straight! You don't see me coding do you? ... Well, much. Shane Shane Morris | Automatic Studio | sh...@automaticstudio.com.au | +61 438 818 888 On 01/03/2012, at 3:49 PM, Jordan Knight jak...@gmail.com wrote: Leave designing up to designers :p Sent from my iPad On 01/03/2012, at 3:45 PM, Jasim Schluter write_2_ja...@hotmail.com wrote: All agree that today’s Silverlight Developer is tomorrows XAML developer? Are there any skills that tomorrows’ XAML developer will need that Silverlight developers are missing? Like Metro design skills? Inside out knowledge of the Windows 8 API / Win 8 Phone API? Asyn Coding chro Skills? nous Ideas? (and is the answer to this question the answer to the question, “WTF do we do with all these Silverlight Usergroups?”.) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Monday, 20 February 2012 6:28 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Skills And please not everyone say Javascipt! By that I assume that's already on the top of your list and you're looking for something in addition to it. Many of the JS frameworks are definitely. NodeJS and CoffeeScript are also interesting from a dev POV. As a UX HTML5, CSS3, SAAS. Personally I got hook recently with Lean Startup and product development. Also, some people might hate it, but I think there're lots of opportunities for iPhone development, a good place to start would be Hello iPhone Hope this helps. Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 5:10 AM, Jasim Schluter write_2_ja...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi All, I’ve been playing with Silverlight since Silverlight 2 beta, and have just finished a 1 year 7 month contract doing UX work in Silverlight. Now that I have a chance to lift my head up and ask: “What skills this group are they adding to their toolbox at the moment?” And please not everyone say Javascipt! Cheers, Jasim Schluter Jasim Schluter | Blender3DLive | www.Blender3DLive.com | SilverLighter| mail | site 6/166 Pacific Highway | North Sydney NSW 2060 | Australia | +61 400511241 m ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Skills
C++ and Java. Java for Android alternative mobile device market(s) and C++ covers pretty much all bases --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Nick Josevski nickjosev...@gmail.comwrote: You know, like nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills.. +1 for ASP.NET MVC skills On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Troy Schuetrumpf t...@taskretail.com.auwrote: I have a few you can check out that I am currently working on learning** ** ASP MVC3 + Razor (and JS ;) lol) IOC – Ninject NoSQL – MongoDB Logging - nlog ** ** There are other options for each but these are the ones that I have found most intriguing. ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** *Troy Schuetrumpf Software Developer* [image: Description: cid:3365660919_14842223] *A:* Suite 16, 90 Mona Vale Road Mona Vale NSW 2103 | *T:* +61 2 9997 3500 | * F: *+61 2 9997 3511 | *W:* *http://www.taskretail.com.au*http://www.taskretail.com.au/ ** [image: Description: cid:3365660919_14781322] *Notice of confidentiality* This message is confidential and intended for the recipient or recipients named above. It may also be privileged solicitor-client communication. If you are not the named recipient or a person charged with delivering this message to the named recipient, you have received this message in error. Immediately delete this message from your computer. ** ** ** ** *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Jasim Schluter *Sent:* Friday, 17 February 2012 3:11 PM *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* Skills ** ** ** ** Hi All, ** ** I’ve been playing with Silverlight since Silverlight 2 beta, ** ** and have just finished a 1 year 7 month contract doing UX work in Silverlight. ** ** Now that I have a chance to lift my head up and ask: ** ** “What skills this group are they adding to their toolbox at the moment?”* *** ** ** And please not everyone say Javascipt! ** ** Cheers, ** ** Jasim Schluter ** ** *Jasim Schluter* | Blender3DLive | www.Blender3DLive.com | SilverLighter| mail cont...@blender3dlive.com | sitehttp://www.blender3dlive.com/ 6/166 Pacific Highway | North Sydney NSW 2060 | Australia | +61 400511241 m ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight image001.jpgimage002.png___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Skills
I refuse to bow before mediocrity (JavaScript) all hail our new overlords c++ .. If you get in early you can be the rush on them picking their pets .. :) Sent from my iPhone On 17/02/2012, at 3:45 PM, Jordan Knight jak...@gmail.com wrote: Ahaha c++! What would we mere web peeps be wantin with the devil? Cheers, Jordan. On 17/02/2012, at 4:25 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: C++ and Java. Java for Android alternative mobile device market(s) and C++ covers pretty much all bases --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Nick Josevski nickjosev...@gmail.com wrote: You know, like nunchuku skills, bow hunting skills, computer hacking skills.. +1 for ASP.NET MVC skills On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Troy Schuetrumpf t...@taskretail.com.au wrote: I have a few you can check out that I am currently working on learning ASP MVC3 + Razor (and JS ;) lol) IOC – Ninject NoSQL – MongoDB Logging - nlog There are other options for each but these are the ones that I have found most intriguing. Troy Schuetrumpf Software Developer image001.jpg A: Suite 16, 90 Mona Vale Road Mona Vale NSW 2103 | T: +61 2 9997 3500 | F: +61 2 9997 3511 | W: http://www.taskretail.com.au image002.png Notice of confidentiality This message is confidential and intended for the recipient or recipients named above. It may also be privileged solicitor-client communication. If you are not the named recipient or a person charged with delivering this message to the named recipient, you have received this message in error. Immediately delete this message from your computer. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jasim Schluter Sent: Friday, 17 February 2012 3:11 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Skills Hi All, I’ve been playing with Silverlight since Silverlight 2 beta, and have just finished a 1 year 7 month contract doing UX work in Silverlight. Now that I have a chance to lift my head up and ask: “What skills this group are they adding to their toolbox at the moment?” And please not everyone say Javascipt! Cheers, Jasim Schluter Jasim Schluter | Blender3DLive | www.Blender3DLive.com | SilverLighter| mail | site 6/166 Pacific Highway | North Sydney NSW 2060 | Australia | +61 400511241 m ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Build
its not web, its win :) ...so you gotta keep things in perspective going forward and i'd highly recommend the community in general keep a fairly broad charter around developer/designer experience work. As i think the market is going to freak out by it, lots of confusion and overloading of buzzwords (designer, metro, ux, html5 on the desktop blah blah). If you gets setup a flag point for the unwashed masses to come in and share their knowledge under the one banner, you stand a greater chance of uniting your armies. If you go rogue state to state, then you're just likely to see the numbers AS-IS and trickle in with same ol same ol content. Now would actually be a good time to cross polynate with Adobe UG (designer - developer) thinking as well... Thats my 2c having lived on both sides of the designer / developer UG ethos in both Microsoft/Adobe. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: Wasn't it last year that we started this discussion? :) Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:24 PM, jason schluter write_2_ja...@hotmail.com wrote: Here here. Just when Sydney sddn was looking for a new name too. -Jason schluter From: Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, 22 September 2011 11:36 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Build WinUXG. In reality your windows focued only now and given XAML / HTML5 + WinRT etc... will cross-polynate why limit yourselves to just XAML? I saw this with the Flash vs Flex community, in the end its the Flash Runtime why segeregate ... its technology racism RACISM! :) h --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com wrote: +1 for XDDN.More than happy to widen the focus from Silverlight to all things XAML. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 9:02 AM, carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au wrote: +1 for XDDN. +1 for more focus on design. ** ** Carl. ** ** *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *David Burela david.bur...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, 22 September 2011 8:53 AM *To:* ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* Re: Build ** ** Earlier this year I sent out a newsletter, saying that I'd made the decision to change the Melbourne SDDN group to be a XAML usergroup, to cover Silverlight + Windows phone (+ WPF). For me there was enough crossover to stop it being an exclusively Silverlight usergroup. ** ** My plans for the rest of the year were to have a lot more generic design sessions, such as more examples of a design workflow, the creative process, etc. I figured t here should be more DESIGN focus since it is in the usergroup's name (SDDN). Now with build, I'll definitely having WinRT XAML sessions (in fact, that's what this month's Melbourne talk is on). ** ** ** ** For me, the SDDN has evolved into being a usergroup focused on cutting edge Microsoft UI frameworks, and the design philosophies behind UI/UX. I guess the only issue is the name. I had kept the SDDN name only for the brand recognition. *My suggestion?* We rebrand SDDN to XDDN. Which could mean XAML Design Developer Network or with the X meaning anything if you want to include HTML5 (like the XMUG run by thoughtworks). -David Burela ** ** On 21 September 2011 19:12, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com wrote: Hey all, ** ** So most people have probably absorbed the stuff shown at BUILD and so I thought I'd kick off a new thread and see what people think. (I'm yet to spend any time watching videos but have read a few blog posts about it)** ** ** ** A couple of things spring to mind. Silverlight will soon be (if not already) legacy code. I liked the quote I saw somewhere The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated. - Silverlight ** ** Being a developer/designer/devigner, I think its great that XAML will be available for C++, HTML5 and .Net. I'm wondering if it's time to rebadge/rename/reinvent the SDDN user group. I'm thinking XUG would be a good name. (Or perhaps XUGXUG, said in the voice of a peon from warcraft 3 - pronounced Zug-zug). ** ** thoughts? ** ** Go. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ** ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
Re: Tip: Silverlight page authorisation
Now for your next trip (hehehe) is to handle transition + bookmarking that accommodates security authentication. Overall problem with Deep Linking as a concept is that there is a series of entry points that need to be upheld but also guiding the user through this (kind of like a fast-forward button like experience) is what often gets lost. A website by itself is different as its some what flat and document centric. Dynamic content plays by a different set of rules... I mention this as i remember listening to why MTV moved from 100% flash to hybrid and later to inverse hybrid and a lot of what was found was due to the site being top-heavy but also the deep linking model was somewhat broken because it was the small subtle xp points that got lost along the way. That being said check out Mach-II for Coldfusion David, it's something you could also draw some inspiration from around filter/plugin/listener marshaling using a XML structure like the one you've outlined. --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:54 AM, David Burela david.bur...@gmail.comwrote: I found a way to easily secure any Silverlight application (that is using the Navigation framework), and thought I would share it with the list. To secure your application you only need to put around 15 lines of xaml into MainPage.xaml The syntax is similar to the page authorisation config in an ASP.Net application authLoader:NavigationAuthRule Uri=/Views/CustomerPage.xaml authLoader:Deny Users=? / authLoader:Allow Users=* / /authLoader:NavigationAuthRule http://www.davidpoll.com/2010/01/01/opening-up-silverlight-4-navigation-authenticationauthorization-in-an-inavigationcontentloader/ There are two controls: *AuthContentLoade*r will check that the user is allowed to access the page. If they aren't then an UnauthorizedAccessException is thrown. To catch this the AuthContentLoader control is wrapped in a * ErrorPageLoader* control. This is configured to catch the Unauthorized exception and can redirect to a login screen Hope it helps someone -David Burela ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Load Xap in aspx page
Ahh the supposed to be moment.. Do i really need to #fixwpf this thread :) --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au wrote: My reading of Stephen’s email was that he wanted to load the XAP within ASP.NET http://asp.net/, thus he’s on the full framework. As for the castrated version of the framework, whether it includes System.IO.Packaging or not, System.IO.Packaging is still the official framework support for dealing with raw packages. -- Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 3556, skype: tathamoddie If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, not a typewriter. *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes *Sent:* Thursday, 10 March 2011 10:11 PM *To:* ozSilverlight *Subject:* Re: Load Xap in aspx page Well the System.IO.Packaging wasn't available in the earlier Silverlight versions ( i think it was in 1.1 but then got nurfed in 2.0 or it may have been planned..i have a terrible memory) so i wouldn't necessarily declare it the official approach to the below. That being side since Silverlight 3/4+ there's been some house cleaning etc so i wouldn't also say it's not possible that its now become the official :) I'm really not helping am i :) lol --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au wrote: Isn’t a XAP just a package? Thus, System.IO.Packaging is the official API for dealing with it. Same as the new Word format, NuGet packages, etc. It’ll take a stream in, etc. -- Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 3556, skype: tathamoddie If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, not a typewriter. *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Thursday, 10 March 2011 7:08 PM *To:* ozSilverlight *Subject:* Load Xap in aspx page Hey all, I want to open up a xap file and get the AssemblyVersion from a dll in the xap. Can't seem to find any examples of anyone done this, so I'm flailing about trying to find how to open a xap file. I think I may have to resort to treating it like a zip file (maybe using #ZipLib) any other ideas? All the cool xap loading stuff in Silverlight is rather absent from Asp.net (possibly a good thing) cheers, Stephen ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Load Xap in aspx page
Well the System.IO.Packaging wasn't available in the earlier Silverlight versions ( i think it was in 1.1 but then got nurfed in 2.0 or it may have been planned..i have a terrible memory) so i wouldn't necessarily declare it the official approach to the below. That being side since Silverlight 3/4+ there's been some house cleaning etc so i wouldn't also say it's not possible that its now become the official :) I'm really not helping am i :) lol --- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:30 PM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au wrote: Isn’t a XAP just a package? Thus, System.IO.Packaging is the official API for dealing with it. Same as the new Word format, NuGet packages, etc. It’ll take a stream in, etc. -- Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 3556, skype: tathamoddie If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, not a typewriter. *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Thursday, 10 March 2011 7:08 PM *To:* ozSilverlight *Subject:* Load Xap in aspx page Hey all, I want to open up a xap file and get the AssemblyVersion from a dll in the xap. Can't seem to find any examples of anyone done this, so I'm flailing about trying to find how to open a xap file. I think I may have to resort to treating it like a zip file (maybe using #ZipLib) any other ideas? All the cool xap loading stuff in Silverlight is rather absent from Asp.net (possibly a good thing) cheers, Stephen ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Bob Muglias Steve Balmers statements on committment to Silverlight
Firstly, People have said i'm just an ex-disgruntled employee of Microsoft the moment i say something critical about the products. Let me clarify, i was ALWAYS a disgruntled employee - ex had nothing to do with it :) hehe.. Secondly, Executives inside Microsoft are mostly annoying but necessary. Microsoft will attempt and fail to push us all towards our new HTML5 overlords and its mostly driven by a need to regain some lost ground due to competitive failures over the past 5 years. Just nod, smile and give them the Oh sure, HTML5 huh..good to know and just keep pushing out Silverlight / WPF apps. It's one thing to make a declaration of intent to make HTML5 the new thing, its another to have a shift of momentum behind it. I don't honestly think Plug-in friendly developers (Flash or Silverlight) are quite ready to bend over for a science project like HTML5. Whether or not Silverlight/WPF can stick it out during this dark time is something to watch, but in truth there is a method to my madness as it came from watching how internally we used to react to the public.. its working kind of :) Thirdly, I find listening to Annie Tomorrow helps put the entire blog post into perspective.. kind of connects the experience to the words... Its really also important to understand that this post was really from the Marketing/PR team under the name of Bob :) I highly doubt he sat down infront of his computer and crafted that message. He'd given whomever the typist at the times some broad strokes in terms of his intended theme but the rest was written via PR focused friendly wordsmither... to which i sent emails strongly advising not to do. This is one of those times where the team should of dug in deep dropped hints around what Silverlight 5 looked like and really cement the commitment with actionable items instead of the pledge of commitment speech we've all heard thousands of times.. eg: Silverlight is very important and strategic to Microsoft. - Really? what is the strategy then :) .. Anyway, i shouldn't poke at this .NET hive as i'm going to get stung soon :) On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:05 AM, Chris Anderson christheco...@gmail.com wrote: It's amusing to see how many times Steve Balmer name dropped 'Silverlight' in his post :). Backpedalling ahoy! My concern from the beginning has specifically been with the phrase “Our Silverlight strategy and focus going forward has shifted. Bob says that's not a negative statement in his post, but I disagree. Microsoft shifted their strategy away from Windows Mobile, and look what happened with it - practically nothing for years. After Microsoft released IE6 their strategy shifted - again work on that product halted for years. It wasn't like either of them were perfect, and couldn't have done with more work! It was easier to brush off Scott Barnes' tweets as those of an ex-softie that *might not* have the current full picture and strategic insight of Microsoft, but harder when the controversy stems from the current president of the Server and Tools division. You could say that it was simply a bad choice of words, but added to Scott Barnes' tips starts painting a bad picture for Silverlight's future. Stating that their strategy has shifted sends the wrong message to CTOs, and creates the PR nightmare we are all faced with now. Personally, I still have faith in Silverlight and its potential (both current and future), and evidence showed that Microsoft shares it too (LightSwitch, Windows Phone 7, etc). I just hope that Microsoft continues to see that potential through before chucking it on the backburner, and doesn't abuse that faith. Currently they have a rather demoralised community, and it's going to take a lot to prop it back up. Because those of us promoting Silverlight will have a lot more work to do to now promoting the platform. If one good thing comes from this controversy, it is that the community has spoken, and it will *not* be happy with a shift in strategy. Maybe, just maybe, that will impact positively internally at Microsoft. Chris On 2 November 2010 07:19, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.com wrote: Man do you ever sleep? Haha you seem to operate in US time. Bobs post seems to be getting some interesting replies... Sent from my iPad On 02/11/2010, at 5:28 AM, Jose Fajardo jose.faja...@cynergysystems.com wrote: Here's Microsoft's official statements Bob Muglia has posted extensively on the Silverlight Team Blog: http://team.silverlight.net Steve Ballmer has also commented on his PDC blog: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/nov10/11-01Statement.mspx either believe them or not completely up to you guys! Note: The information contained in this message and any attachment to it is privileged, confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient
Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!
The site itself is just a science project made by some really smart folks in MSR :) ..typically MSR folks just dump that kind of thing online as a discussion point for the masses (ie kind of a techfest show and tell). I wouldn't rate the merits of Silverlight in this instance just yet until it goes through the usual Vendor outsource (ie dump into some marketing agencies hands and they'll in turn come back with a site - eg Zaaz.com does a lot of work for Microsoft in this space etc). Until it gets to that point atm it's just a public show and tell / science project. As for Silverlight + Search Engines. It's possible to have a site SOE compliant with a combination of deep linking and html/css. You just need to approach your site carefully and establish page gating smoothly for one and secondly ensure your content is within context to the bookmarked URI's. Deep Linking was always one of these 800lbs gorilla that really could of been tackled and it shouldn't rely on Google etc to index your XAML/XAP as that kind of breaks the Search Engine(s) model anyway. Instead there should be a way forward in terms of creating screen by screen UI's that you can activate deep linking on (kind of like take snapshot here) and move forward. .NET RIA Services hinted at this but its still coming up short on this approach and it really needs some carefully planned out features from end to end to enable this so that developers can tap into some basic API's and still have best of both worlds - rich engaging experiences as well as SEO compliant engaging experiences. Adobe Flash + Google partnered up here to try this via the Search Engine and automation route, but it's kind of not worked given in order for it to be effective via this route Google would have to explain in more finite detail how it indexes .SWF files online, which is bad as the moment this occurs all the SEO car salesmen out there would quickly game the algorithiums and we'd be back to Circa 2002 - Yahoo! days where highest bidder gets highest ranking. Technically though its all possible today even with the AS-IS Silverlight runtime to make a site SEO compatible but you just need the maturity of the developer team(s) in question to understand both sides of the isle well enough. Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tony Wright ton...@tpg.com.au wrote: I guess I’d be asking what the purpose of the site is from project emporia’s point of view. If they are trying to attract traffic, they will have a lot of difficulty if they don’t solve the problem that search engines refuse to look at content inside Silverlight apps – it’s why no-one chooses Silverlight for blog engines! Because of this one issue, Silverlight is only good for: Line Of Business apps Small on page applets Video streaming T. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2010 2:13 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! Just to extend yesterday's discussion about SL vs. X vs. Y... what do people on this list think about this site: http://www.projectemporia.com/ Use of Silverlight for a site like that? Good? Bad? Meh? Note that the site itself was created by teams which are internal to Microsoft: Project Emporia is an Alpha release from FUSE Labs and Microsoft Research Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:01:58 +1000 Subject: Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! From: winstonp...@gmail.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote live stream. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo jose.faja...@cynergysystems.com wrote: Eg. Let's say a lot of the really cool features of SL make it into MS's HTML5 stack... 1. Smooth Streaming ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Textblock SizeChanged
The margins provide you the buffer around the actualheight/actualwidth so yeah it should work. Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Colin Savage colin.sav...@readify.net wrote: Is that going to work if I want the text content to dictate the height of the textblock? I would need to know the actualheight to be able to set the bottom thickness. Regards, Colin Savage -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2010 10:14 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Textblock SizeChanged Not really, you can achieve the same effects almost at times with margin properties (thickness) vs left/top positioning.. its possible.. Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Colin Savage colin.sav...@readify.net wrote: I think I'm stuck with canvas due to the arbitrary positioning, thanks for the all info. Regards, Colin Savage -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Peter Blois Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2010 3:44 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Textblock SizeChanged Canvas is actually a bit special and 'shortcuts' some of the layout routines that happen with every other panel. It's confusing and I've opened bugs on this in the past (caused us quite a bit of grief when we were implementing custom shapes in Blend), but the code is the way it is to maintain a very high level of performance for this specific layout control. Alternatively Grid rather than Canvas should work for you. If you really are doing a fully custom positioning and sizing that you may want that raw performance that comes from Canvas, for many cases I don't see a need to go this far though. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 1:35 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Textblock SizeChanged Well u could change the size of he font and then invalidate the textblock which should trigger sizechanged event but it's a lil ghetto ;) -- Sent from my mini iPad nano (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 15/09/2010, at 5:08 PM, Colin Savage colin.sav...@readify.net wrote: The app is a WYSIWYG layout for arranging textblocks and barcodes and things to print on a label, so I want to avoid adding content that is not going to be printed to the xaml. Since the changing of the font size is initiated by the user, I can access the ActualHeight after that and update the rest of the UI manually. It seems that the event only fires if it has in some way changed the layout of the container, but that is contrary to what the doco says. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.frameworkelemen t.sizechanged(VS.95).aspx SizeChanged is raised whenever the size (either ActualHeight or ActualWidth) has changed on the object, and is raised after the Measure and Arrange passes are complete (for more information about these concepts, see Silverlight Layout System). If the position of the object within a parent container changes, but not the size, SizeChanged is not raised. In this case the ActualHeight has changed, but it doesn't fire. I'll find a workaround for it, I was just wondering if anyone knew the reason. Regards, Colin Savage -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 15 September 2010 4:10 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Textblock SizeChanged Steve's correct, Canvas doesn't really care how wide/high its children are in regards to itself. Encapsulating the TextBlock inside a border and using that as your Source of Truth should get you the results you desire, but yeah you have a ghetto border now :) Not sure why FontSize doesn't trigger SizeChanged though? in theory the ActualWidth/ActualHeight should still trigger this event but given FontSize may act differently to other FrameworkElements given it uses glyphs etc. Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.com wrote: Without trying anything in code, I'd be guessing that putting the textblock onto/into the canvas makes it behave differently than when its in the border. I've seen quite a lot of sizing things behave differently depending upon the parent container. Have you tried it in a grid instead of a canvas? It might work (guessing, have not tried it out) On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Colin Savage colin.sav...@readify.net wrote: Before this list turns entirely
Re: Uninteresting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
I'm long past worried about employment prospects in Microsoft or this industry :) I did what and whilst some display hatred for it, others inside Microsoft have been sending me positive emails stating in a nutshell it was about time someone spoke out. Make no mistake, there are a lot of people internally smiling at this whole thing Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David Connors da...@codify.com wrote: On 14 September 2010 21:36, Corneliu Tusnea corneliu.tus...@readify.net wrote: Sorry to tell you but I'm so sick of Scott's overly-opinionated attitude. He has(had) access to a fair bit of internal knowledge inside Microsoft that he saw through his own eyes and now he got out and he's spitting everywhere around him having no clue about the (moral) damage he does to people he used to work with ... and maybe even his friends (though I doubt he had too many). [ ... ] The article (just like his daily tweets that people hand on to like God's words) is yet another massive frustration throw up and I know everything attitude. Some comments are very good at exposing this. My 2 cents, (very personal opinion) And it is an opinion that is shared by everyone else with half a clue who has had the misfortune of trying to extract information from any of Scott's abstruse and polemic e-mails. He has the unique skill of being able to write 2500 words on a particular topic while leaving you less enlightened (and with a migraine) by the time you get to the end of it. One outcome I am certain of from this is that Scott might be waiting for a while to receive another invite to a week in Microsoft HQ etc. He might as well milk it for all it is worth in terms of collecting an essentially useless entourage of fanbois. It is not going to do much for his employment prospects. -- David Connors | da...@codify.com | www.codify.com Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
Nice post Jordan ;) My thoughts personally is there is room for both and I'm on record by saying msft should consider using sl + ie together to handle the html5 execution silently - it drives ubiquity and upholds both sides of the isle. Wpf has had little or next to no investments beyond what the vs2010 team needed and some basics from variety of community sources if any. It's had zero marketing budget and wasn't even mentioned as a developer story in win7 launches. Declaring it dead is easy, burying the corpse is the hard part ;) Win8 team aren't taking bets on it so say what u will but either I am right or msft tomorrow makes an official declaration of how they plan to pump some momentum behind it. Either outcome is pushing the old with new forward for a greater good and won't be suddenly dumped on everyones laps at a point where it's too late to steer a different direction. Dead doesn't mean instantly gone it can take years - look at xp. It just signals to all get off or else is all :/ I am pro wpf / silverlight btw and want these to continue to grow -- Sent from my mini iPad nano (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 15/09/2010, at 11:17 AM, Jordan Knight jak...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also like to raise some points RE HTML5 and WPF/SL etc. Back in the 1890's the head of the US patent office declared he was going to close the office because he thought that there was nothing left to invent... rather short sighted given hindsight... My point is that HTML5 will bring to the masses through standardisation the features that consumers have come to demand thanks to agile plugins like SL and Flash. To quote the SL team blog post that flamed the debate - SL/Flash trailblaze and HTML5 will then pave the road. These features are already out there and pervasive (demanded) - so why not standardise and give them the ultimate reach they deserve! Bravo - it's a really good idea, and consumers win. The stuff that was around years ago will now be available through standards. But there is new stuff now... that stuff has been done - tech moves on. Where consumers *also* win is that SL and Flash are all about ideas and tech that doesn't/didn't exist yet + getting it to market fast. It's a playground for great ideas. 3D video. Surround sound, adaptive smooth streaming (for the SL = video zealots). Multitouch, multi screen, multi bloody everything. Rapid development (through Des/Dev workflows) + awesome tooling. Consumers like apps too remember. They would much rather read their EPG in an app than have a link to a web page on their desktop. And what about other ideas that don't really exist yet. To say that WPF is dead and/or dying - well I say to you - there is more to the world of UX and consumerism than just the browser/current thinking. I think that WPF is _still_ ahead of its time. Tech/devices are moving way too fast for HTML5 spec to keep up with (what about this cheap new device? http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/microsoft-principal-researcher-bill-buxton-surface-will-be-in-h/)... I think the HTML5 vs the world debate is forgetting about the consumer app/hi-tech/new shiny device market - it will/(*is*) be hooge! And we need to keep the consumers happy (which means being nimble!). HTML5 is great, bringing what we demand to spec. Yaay for Vimeo working on my iPhone! Plugins are great bringing us the latest tech quickly. And... as new screens are added (Surface, phones etc)... then you can be sure i'll be betting the farm on ripping out apps quickly on tech like WPF... Cheap Surfaces, every shop... WPF = killer. My 2 cents :) On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au wrote: Even as the web standards zealot in the corner, I wouldn’t agree with many of Scott’s points. Jordan Knight and I just discussed the relationship between HTML5 and Silverlight across two episodes of Frankly Speaking: http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256 http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=260 -- Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 9140, skype: tathamoddie If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, not a typewriter. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of danlaz...@arcamis.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 6:33 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic Via CodeProject 'Daily News' (14/09/2010) - http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363 Dr. Dan Lazner, PhD | Software Architect/Engineer/Developer ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
Hmm, I'm a little shocked of all people you wrote the below Paul ? (i mean that with sincerity). You and i have had a few discussions around this space, you've shown frustration that Silverlight has gotten more attention than WPF and so on. The reality is that whether you agree or disagree with the way i went about the approach I took, at the heart of it all is that kind of conversation that yourself, others and myself have had over and over. I initially started out with some venting tweets sitting in LAX after reading yet another great feedback, lets take that offline dismissal from some folks on an issue that another community member put forward. I still stand by my decision as being one of good intentions for the greater good of WPF/Silverlight and it's created a polarizing conversation around the globe at the moment on this subject. It's exposing a lot of hidden conversations both internally and externally, is that good or bad? i honestly don't know, but i do know it needs to be had. I knew the moment i posted it i'd expose myself to first character attacks but also yeah, it does put parts of my career into a red flag area - yet, thats ok, as long as we get to the root of what dead vs alive is. You state that WPF is done? really, engineering wise sure, i can argue that with you - there are some things i'd like to still see but that aside, WPF is done. Now what? you've built it how do you then go to market with it? market opportunity is 6million+ developers and we are probably sitting at around 7% of that... is that done? when was the last event you saw WPF being shouted from the roof tops about this year? How was teched? get much out of the amounts of WPF discussions there? What's the last Windows development campaign you saw? Seen any Evangelists talk about WPF recently at your local User Group? Which is more popular, Wp7 or WPF at the moment? When Windows 7 came out, did you hear much in the way of value propositions around WPF development for the new Windows platform? even if it was the same as Vista still, good opportunity isn't it? How much of the developer share do you think Enterprise makes vs Consumer/Web? anyone have the numbers on this one? i do... well according to Microsoft anyway... As for FUD? yeah i can buy into that, but i also don't see Microsoft staff volunteering to support the claims out loud? i mean would it be fair to say that's a career limiting move within the company? how do you support this? grab a document or two and post that to the interweb - yeah i could do that i guess, but then i'd cross a very clear legal line or two. Its why it was posted on a blog, by definition it's an opinion piece. You can choose - that being the keyword - to believe it or not, but thats where I stand. Jose, Jordan, John etc are looking to get to the root of this, Corneliu, David and i'm guessing others are more focused on the person not the issue? what gains do we get with the later? sure put me in a position of embarrassment that could work and you prove a point or two (personally i've had a variety of people express their opinions about me, i long since cared what others think years ago) that i'm flawed but in the end did it change the outcome of this initial issue? Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote: Wpf has had little or next to no investments beyond what the vs2010 team needed and some basics from variety of community sources if any. It's had zero marketing budget and wasn't even mentioned as a developer story in win7 launches I get that feeling too, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. I really like that the changes in the latest version of WPF are driven by their own dog-fooding needs, rather than guessing at what their customers might want. That's where the best frameworks come from. There are some small things I'd like to see improved in WPF, but .NET 4.0 fixed most of my complaints and overall I'm pretty happy with it. A skeleton team of 3 people and a chicken is probably fine, since it's already come so far. In short, it's not about being dead, it's about recognizing that it's done. If they had a spare 500 developers to work on it, what exactly would they do? I expect they'd be out of real problems to solve, so they'd invent problems to solve, and the framework would get bloated. I'm actually quite happy with the idea of Microsoft taking some time to build their own applications on WPF, and letting it evolve slowly and properly. WPF has a nice market niche in the ISV/disconnected client world, a world that simply cannot use Silverlight/HTML5. That market is simply not as big as the market of people building websites, and I don't think it needs to be. WPF competes with Windows Forms/VB 6 and Cocoa, not HTML5 and Flash, so I'm not sure it really needs a huge marketing budget. Now, to the thing that annoys me about this post. Having an opinion on HTML5
Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
A reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man. - George Bernard Shaw. Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Perry Stathopoulos psta...@gmail.com wrote: They is Microsoft. I don’t work for MS, so I don’t not its internals, however I’ve worked for several large corporations and I’m all too familiar with inter-department/division power struggles. This is nothing new. Realistically I’m sure each division is given its budget, timelines and deliverables. That is decided at higher level, which each division must try to influence the decision maker to get what he/she wants. Again nothing new here. As outsiders, we can try to influence the decisions that MS takes. Priorities change in corporations all the time in response to market conditions and customer demands, again nothing new. However, I keep thinking about this quote: If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would have said a faster horse. -Henry Ford Don’t get me wrong I love SL especially compared to Flash. However HTML does have many advantages. I’m in upper management for a web based company, with tens of millions of visitors per day. So, I have a very good idea of what is going on in the web world including mobile web and what is required to make things work at the speed of Internet. In the Intranet world, things are very different there. MS pretty much owns that, but on the Internet, far from it. IMO that distinction is often not talked about. There are many things that I would do on a company’s intranet, that should simply never be done on a public Internet (think latency and network speed you pour Aussies ;-p) While the official HTML5 spec is a long way to being ratified, it’s already here. With IE9, all major browsers will support many of the major HTML5 elements. So yes Microsoft is investing in HTML5 because it wants to be taken as a serious Internet player. From: Scott Barnes Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:05 PM To: ozSilverlight Cc: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic Whe u say they who are u referring to? Developer division or ie / windows team? And who has right of way in terms of budgets and launch timelines? Msft has loads of money but if you have ever sat in a review of the business etc u will note that being held fiscally accountable is very important. 200+ devs are on sl today how many do u think work on IE? Or the variety of tooling and also how do u justify the double ups between sl and html5 espec when the later hasn't got an audience really defined yet? Where do u put your $100 spends etc? Who foots the bill on marketing it all? Windows? Office? Vstudio? Expression? Do u know expression teams don't report to the same org tree as silverlight teams do? It's great to say do both but sit down crunch the numbers and factor in divisional politics and welcome to he internal reality of Microsoft -- Sent from my mini iPad nano (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 15/09/2010, at 11:50 AM, Perry Stathopoulos psta...@gmail.com wrote: First, everyone should also read Mike Taulty’s post: http://mtaulty.com/CommunityServer/blogs/mike_taultys_blog/archive/2010/09/10/iphone-4-is-dead.aspx Another thing that I didn’t see too much in all this hoopla is talking about the obvious that Silverlight is reaching maturity (not end of life, but normal development cycles vs. double time). MS arrived late to the party in online video streaming. IE is nothing but a punching bag online, so they need to step it up if they want to be taken seriously as an online leader. They surely don’t want to be late again with HTML5. Yes it makes sense to invest heavily early in this new shiny object, lest they arrive late again. From: Jordan Knight Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:17 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic I'd also like to raise some points RE HTML5 and WPF/SL etc. Back in the 1890's the head of the US patent office declared he was going to close the office because he thought that there was nothing left to invent... rather short sighted given hindsight... My point is that HTML5 will bring to the masses through standardisation the features that consumers have come to demand thanks to agile plugins like SL and Flash. To quote the SL team blog post that flamed the debate - SL/Flash trailblaze and HTML5 will then pave the road. These features are already out there and pervasive (demanded) - so why not standardise and give them the ultimate reach they deserve! Bravo - it's a really good idea, and consumers win. The stuff that was around years ago will now be available through standards. But there is new
Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
I can accept your opinion here and agree in parts I am having mixed feelings about the approach. Would I do it differently probably but it's just full steam ahead ? Also just know that a journalist did most of the work based off some tweets so really my efforts were just the final pieces he needed to position a story he's had in the queue for sometime. I know other journos have similar stories so I think it was coming either way or person at the helm? -- Sent from my mini iPad nano (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 15/09/2010, at 2:31 PM, Paul Stovell p...@paulstovell.com wrote: Hi Scott, It's exposing a lot of hidden conversations both internally and externally, is that good or bad? I appreciate the work you put in while at Microsoft to make sure issues from guys like me were being raised internally (I mean that). The problem I had with this post isn't that you kicked off a good discussion about HTML5/Silverlight/WPF (which I agree needs to be had), it's that it was done by exposing those internal conversations, without full context or evidence. I care about Microsoft and the direction that they go in, and I care about progress, but I care a lot more about stability. I'm happy to have discussions that help define the direction and create progress, but airing internal issues damages stability. There are plenty of small ISV's and IT departments building Silverlight/WPF applications right now. A few days ago, they were pretty sure Microsoft had it all planned out and they were confident they were going in the right path. Now, assuming they've seen the news articles that picked up on your opinion piece, they're not confident. It puts business at risk. I care about that a lot more than I care about Silverlight v HTML 5 :) If you were just an Average Joe writing an opinion piece, it would be one thing. As a former insider, people take what you say a lot more seriously. And you weren't just airing your own opinions, you were airing opinions you claim to be from Microsoft. It's the difference between Average Joe writing a rant about the mining tax in The Advertiser's opinion section, and Mark Latham writing a rant in the AFR about the internal divides he's overheard within the Labor party on the mining tax. In the first case, no one listens. In the second case, employees at mining companies are worried about their jobs, they stop spending, and small businesses close down. Personally, I care less about the hurt feelings of governments and mining companies, and a lot about small businesses. I'd argue that for the sake of stability (plus just being a nice guy), it's better to leave internal conversations internal. I hope that explains where I'm coming from. I'm grateful for the work you did (and perhaps still do) as an influencer within Microsoft to improve things. I just don't think it was a good thing for the market to do it the way you did. Paul On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I'm a little shocked of all people you wrote the below Paul ? (i mean that with sincerity). You and i have had a few discussions around this space, you've shown frustration that Silverlight has gotten more attention than WPF and so on. The reality is that whether you agree or disagree with the way i went about the approach I took, at the heart of it all is that kind of conversation that yourself, others and myself have had over and over. I initially started out with some venting tweets sitting in LAX after reading yet another great feedback, lets take that offline dismissal from some folks on an issue that another community member put forward. I still stand by my decision as being one of good intentions for the greater good of WPF/Silverlight and it's created a polarizing conversation around the globe at the moment on this subject. It's exposing a lot of hidden conversations both internally and externally, is that good or bad? i honestly don't know, but i do know it needs to be had. I knew the moment i posted it i'd expose myself to first character attacks but also yeah, it does put parts of my career into a red flag area - yet, thats ok, as long as we get to the root of what dead vs alive is. You state that WPF is done? really, engineering wise sure, i can argue that with you - there are some things i'd like to still see but that aside, WPF is done. Now what? you've built it how do you then go to market with it? market opportunity is 6million+ developers and we are probably sitting at around 7% of that... is that done? when was the last event you saw WPF being shouted from the roof tops about this year? How was teched? get much out of the amounts of WPF discussions there? What's the last Windows development campaign you saw? Seen any Evangelists talk about WPF recently at your local User Group
RE: Long running animation
http://blogs.msdn.com/silverlight_sdk/archive/2008/03/24/create-an-animation-in-code.aspx http://www.developerfusion.com/article/10824/creating-particle-effects-in-silverlight/ Is a good start. Basically you don't have Frames in Silverlight, you have time. In flash you can use a frames per second methodology but in SL you simply use seconds/miliseconds etc. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:40 AM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: Long running animation Folks, I want to create a sort of screen saver effect where a shape moves slowly around a control. The path it follows is calculated at start time by mixing random Sin/Cos functions, then the shape will follow the (x,y) coordinates of the function over time. It's like a moving parametric plot. I'm just not sure what coding technique to use for this effect. I'm guessing I'll need a frame-based animation, which I've never used before. It looks like it pushes events to you and you respond and move your elements, but it's not clear how you control the timing. I just want to run this idea past someone who's done it before and can confirm if I'm on the right track or not. I'll keep reading about frame-based animations in the meantime. Greg ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Long running animation
Not really you can thread inside frame based solutions (ie flash) (ie two movie clips playing at once is two separate threads feeding off the one frame queue). The only way you can stall on a single frame is a global exception / fault is thrown and even then it can sometimes let other clips keep playing.. The reason why Silverlight went with time based animation is simply because its more precise. The downside with frame based approach is you rely on Frames Per Second to be the conductor in that if you have 12 fps and your expecting your animation to play on the 13th frame, well in 1sec needs to occur before you can.. if you tell the app to run at 24fps well the 13th frame will be played sooner and so on.. it's really a messy way of animating. Not only that but when you rely on FPS it gets harder to multi-thread as from memory a FPS approach creates a hard-coded choke point where as animation by time is essentially atomic clock rationale :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:15 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Long running animation the difference between Silverlight and and Frame based animation in framed based you play the frames in order... 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 now if somthing happens while you in frame 2, this stalled your app for some period of time, the next frame to display is still frame 3, regardless of how long your app was stalled on frame 2 in Silverlight this is not the case.. when your app was held up on frame 2, silverlight will work out how many frames should have been show in this period and it will then show the correct frame for the time/moment your app is at after the hold up is over... so you might get frame 5, or 6 or where ever you animation should be at that Time/Moment this is my understanding of how SL animations are working On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.netmailto:scott.bar...@readify.net wrote: http://blogs.msdn.com/silverlight_sdk/archive/2008/03/24/create-an-animation-in-code.aspx http://www.developerfusion.com/article/10824/creating-particle-effects-in-silverlight/ Is a good start. Basically you don't have Frames in Silverlight, you have time. In flash you can use a frames per second methodology but in SL you simply use seconds/miliseconds etc. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 10:40 AM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: Long running animation Folks, I want to create a sort of screen saver effect where a shape moves slowly around a control. The path it follows is calculated at start time by mixing random Sin/Cos functions, then the shape will follow the (x,y) coordinates of the function over time. It's like a moving parametric plot. I'm just not sure what coding technique to use for this effect. I'm guessing I'll need a frame-based animation, which I've never used before. It looks like it pushes events to you and you respond and move your elements, but it's not clear how you control the timing. I just want to run this idea past someone who's done it before and can confirm if I'm on the right track or not. I'll keep reading about frame-based animations in the meantime. Greg ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Long running animation
Yeah, The mandate for Silverlight/WPF/WP7 teams is to keep all bits as close to parity with one another as humanly possible. There are still going to be forks in the road and this has to do with hosting platform/device and also security (ie obvious example is WPF vs Silverlight, WPF has Windows SDK at its disposable where as Silverlight has to ask pretty please first etc). The API's etc will be consistent mainly for developer mindshare but also creates less work for the VS + Expression team in terms of tooling. In theory you could have a shared library (basic implementation mind you) that can be re-used in Desktop, Web and Phone (as long as you don't bring in specific references to DLL's that aren't available on either 3). One platform to rule them all! :) I miss being the Prod Manager for all of this.. but I like my wallet being filled and living in Australia way to much :) heheheh - Scott Barnes Ex-Rich Platforms Product Manager - Microsoft. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:20 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Long running animation I see, thanks so in a nutshell, really these differences are hopefully (buy the sounds of it) more to try make the experiance more similar on which ever location your app is running, without the developer having to worry so much about it...??? I hope i am assuming this correctly, becuase that sounds quite nice :) the concept of my Browser Silverlight code, can pretty much just slip over to the WP7 is very cool stuff thanks, Silverlight RULES I think, love it :) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.netmailto:scott.bar...@readify.net wrote: Correct. Silverlight was the first runtime to have multi-threading (although it still at times goes unused... we have a Ferrari people!..drive..drive and be free!) I've not read the actual guidance papers yet on Windows Phone 7, but from the initial early specs I glanced at they did specific that the Silverlight runtime would be the same on all devices/platforms (ie that's why it went from the SLR to the CLR in v3) and simply have reduced API's etc for certain situations (ie movie codecs are adjusted to suite the device etc). The main point is though it's supposed to act and breathe the same way you would expect it on the desktop, it's just under the hood they may have to substitute pieces to make them palatable for the device. As for specifically whether or not it uses a different threading management algorithm it's probably the case given the phone's probably going to have a different way of handling garbage collection than say a desktop? Bloody good question though, Tim Heuer may have access to the specifics here? As for perf desktop vs mobile. Definitely as this is probably Adobe's biggest annoyance in that folks expect to do the same crazy stuff they do on a desktop on the phone but forget to balance out CPU cycles as whilst technically you can run mad with animations and iterations until you reduce your machine to weeping mess (all you would see is Windows gray out the application and declare it a fail). On the device it may do the same for the extreme end of it all, but each time you kick off a CPU cycle you're effectively taking a slice out of the battery so whilst technically and semantically your app is going to run fine on both devices you still need to rethink your approach. For example. On the iPhone I have Scrabble and it came from apparently a flash-iphone cross compile. Now nothing bad about that per say but It appears it hasn't been optimized for the iPhone in that it plays a 2-3 sec video animation before it loads (credits etc) and then it uses animations / visual effects a lot throughout the game... Now iPhone's don't have a good battery life at the best of times then to have these folks steal more cpu cycles for gratuitous animations etc just isn't cricket for me..as after 3 games on a full battery at the start, I'm then reduced to almost the last 30% ... Very annoying. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 12:52 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Long running animation ok thanks... my explination is primitive in i know... I mean't by stall, more like something causes the application to run slow, for whatever reason... in the frame base you continue as is... from where you are in the sequence time based you continue from where you should be in the sqeuence related to the time passed but maybe it is not really possible explain it correctly in such a basic way? the other thing about SL animations different kinds are running on different SL threads correct?, i assume this is more something you going
RE: Long running animation
Yeah you can do direct References via normal means in VS projects - or - you can do linked files via VS as well.. as for example a Silverlight Class library is different to a normal standalone Class Library (ie template wise via VS2008). So if you created a generic Class Library in a WPF project and it makes basic references but later you wanted to import that into a Silverlight project, it at times spits the dummy (as it makes references to different system.windows.controls or something like that - forget exactly where). So you can then just import that specific file via Add As Linked File vs Add Existing Item.. so you effectively have one file in both sets of projects.. Now in Sl4/VS2010 I don't think that's a problem (haven't checked). From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 3:07 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Long running animation I am helping on the DeepEarth control originally created in SL2, so originally never not intended to work on a WP7 the other day, took out the ref's to the Browser.dll and a coulple minor changes, (e.g. make it SL3 etc for the emulator) and BOOM!!!, works on WP7 emulator in VS2010 pretty cool stuff :) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.netmailto:scott.bar...@readify.net wrote: Yeah, The mandate for Silverlight/WPF/WP7 teams is to keep all bits as close to parity with one another as humanly possible. There are still going to be forks in the road and this has to do with hosting platform/device and also security (ie obvious example is WPF vs Silverlight, WPF has Windows SDK at its disposable where as Silverlight has to ask pretty please first etc). The API's etc will be consistent mainly for developer mindshare but also creates less work for the VS + Expression team in terms of tooling. In theory you could have a shared library (basic implementation mind you) that can be re-used in Desktop, Web and Phone (as long as you don't bring in specific references to DLL's that aren't available on either 3). One platform to rule them all! :) I miss being the Prod Manager for all of this.. but I like my wallet being filled and living in Australia way to much :) heheheh - Scott Barnes Ex-Rich Platforms Product Manager - Microsoft. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 2:20 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Long running animation I see, thanks so in a nutshell, really these differences are hopefully (buy the sounds of it) more to try make the experiance more similar on which ever location your app is running, without the developer having to worry so much about it...??? I hope i am assuming this correctly, becuase that sounds quite nice :) the concept of my Browser Silverlight code, can pretty much just slip over to the WP7 is very cool stuff thanks, Silverlight RULES I think, love it :) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.netmailto:scott.bar...@readify.net wrote: Correct. Silverlight was the first runtime to have multi-threading (although it still at times goes unused... we have a Ferrari people!..drive..drive and be free!) I've not read the actual guidance papers yet on Windows Phone 7, but from the initial early specs I glanced at they did specific that the Silverlight runtime would be the same on all devices/platforms (ie that's why it went from the SLR to the CLR in v3) and simply have reduced API's etc for certain situations (ie movie codecs are adjusted to suite the device etc). The main point is though it's supposed to act and breathe the same way you would expect it on the desktop, it's just under the hood they may have to substitute pieces to make them palatable for the device. As for specifically whether or not it uses a different threading management algorithm it's probably the case given the phone's probably going to have a different way of handling garbage collection than say a desktop? Bloody good question though, Tim Heuer may have access to the specifics here? As for perf desktop vs mobile. Definitely as this is probably Adobe's biggest annoyance in that folks expect to do the same crazy stuff they do on a desktop on the phone but forget to balance out CPU cycles as whilst technically you can run mad with animations and iterations until you reduce your machine to weeping mess (all you would see is Windows gray out the application and declare it a fail). On the device it may do the same for the extreme end of it all, but each time you kick off a CPU cycle you're effectively taking a slice out of the battery so whilst technically and semantically your app is going to run fine on both devices you still need to rethink your approach
RE: RTF in silverlight
Hmm, Did you try: http://www.vectorlight.net/demos/richtextbox.aspx It seems to be built fairly solid? From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Steven Nagy Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 9:32 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RTF in silverlight Hi all, I've got the a bunch of RTF coming from a service call that needs to render. I have two options: Find a control that can render RTF or convert the RTF to something else on the server side that can be rendered natively. For option 1, it seems the new SL4 RichTextbox doesn't support RTF (unless I've missed the mechanism for importing RTF text into the control?). I've trialed the DevExpress tool but it fails to render RTF with tables. I'm currently pulling down the ComponentOne RichTextbox to see if it does any better. I've also tried option 2 - using a WPF rich textbox (in memory only) to load the RTF and then push out various output formats. It supports output to XAML but of course the XAML is not compliant with Silverlight. I have my fingers crossed for the component one control but I'm not hopeful. I was wondering if anyone had any other suggestions on how to approach this and if anyone has found a good RTF control for silverlight. Client side is SL4 and server side is .Net 4.0. Cheers, Steven Nagy Readify | Senior Developer M: +61 404 044 513 | E: steven.n...@readify.netsip:steven.n...@readify.net | B: azure.snagy.namehttp://azure.snagy.name/ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services
TFS2010 and VS2010 is where real men/women code now... I just discovered Resharper 5.0 ..so combine the two and It feels like playing a game with cheat codes... TAB + DOT + ship Did you mean tab =() ship? -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:10 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Im loving working for DNN, we just switched everything to VS2010, TFS 2010 :) -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tony Wright Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 6:38 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Hi Philip, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately I'm working for a big company - we're still on XP. I have been pushing them to upgrade certain strategic infrastructure, but it looks like we're stuck for the moment. Regards, Tony -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 7:07 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Build a new image for your 2010 work. If you use bootable vhds it's a treat on Win 7. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ton...@tpg.com.au Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2010 2:30 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Impediments to upgrading / WCF RIA Services Hi all, We are currently experiencing some impediments to upgrading our Silverlight application and VS2010. Firstly, we have installed VS2010, which installs WCF RIA Services for 2010. This uninstalls WCF RIA Services for 2008. The problem is that we need the 2008 version to continue to operate while we upgrade other applications. That's because it's an LOB application that is quite a substantial piece of work. We have to actually allocate time to go through the upgrade process, with no guarantee that the result will be a working application. So the result is that we have uninstalled WCF RIA 2010 and reinstalled WCF RIA 2008. But of course this means that we need to use the VS 2008 environment. So 2010 is out for us at the moment. Has anyone successfully got both WCF RIA services 2008 and 2010 running side-by-side? I did make a copy of the assemblies and then register them in the GAC after 2010 was installed, and while this made the application compile, it still failed dismally. Regards, Tony ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net
:) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of jason schluter Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 8:39 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net Oh Scott, While you really should be showing this PPT to your therapist J I can see it clearly would have been great. Thankfully as a dev I just need www.silverlight.nethttp://www.silverlight.net Jason Blender3DLive From: scott.bar...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 02:01:01 -0700 Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net +1 agreed. PowerPoint FTW! :) - I don't know but that seems to always be my default win when I run into a Sketchflow wall :) Attached is an example of how I've used PPT in the past for website..(it was original my idea for how we should of done Microsoft.com/Silverlight back in the day - enjoy). Scott. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris (Automatic Studio) Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 4:20 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net The reality is most mockup tools either don't produce target platform code (Balsamiq) or produced relatively useless target platform code (Axure). If you have Sketchflow skills already then I'd consider sticking with it. One thing that will annoy you though is that sketchflow doesn't inherently allow for scrolling web 'pages'. If you don't have existing Sketchflow skills you need to consider that these 'rich' prototyping tools (Sketchflow and Catalyst) have pro's and con's: - Con: harder to learn and less productive than lightweight tools like Balsamiq - Pro: Able to take prototypes to a much richer level of interactivity (and fidelity) - giving them an advantage for really rich UIs (like you'd design for WPF or Silverlight...) Shane Shane Morris | Automatic Studiohttp://www.automaticstudio.com.au/ | sh...@automaticstudio.com.aumailto:sh...@automaticstudio.com.au | +61 438 818 888 From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Denny Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 4:02 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Sketchflow for ASP.Net Who says that the mock-up technology needs to be the same as the implementation technology. That would be like saying using PowerPoint for a mock-up is in appropriate because it isn't based on WPF/Silverlight/HTML/Flash whatever. Regards Mitch Denny Readify | Chief Technology Officer Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 414 610 141 | E: mitch.de...@readify.netmailto:mitch.de...@readify.net | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mark Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2010 1:46 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Sketchflow for ASP.Net We have a Silverlight application and the boss likes using SketchFlow to mock up stuff. We are now looking at writing an ASP.Net app and he wants to know if he can use SketchFlow to create the mock pages. I've not looked into it, but AFAIK it's XAML only so whilst he can create pages for demo, we can't reuse for our web pages. Is that correct? Is there another tool? I'd hope to use ASP.net MVC framework if that makes a difference. Cheers Mark ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: VHDs in Windows 7 (was RE: Silverlight 4)
Sorry they put the blue chip in deep when they hired me. I feel them reading my thoughts even now as that's why I wear a tinfoil hat Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2010, at 4:35 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.netmailto:g...@mira.net wrote: It's cool huh. I used to use this a lot when i was in Microsoft as given i used to dogfood a lot of software for the company Aha! This is the third time I’ve seen that word used like that in the last week (and I refuse to lookup what it means). This is the tip of the terrible iceberg of “verbising” (turning nouns into verbs). It’s an American disease that is spreading, we must start an international drive to eradicate it. Soon we’ll have 1984 newspeak like “After 5pm I’m going to glass some wine, chair myself and hobbyise some code”. Or “I was walking the garden this morning and I lost my footage and fell over” (that’s not quite verbising, but I’m hearing more of this sort of thing recently). Greg ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: Silverlight 4
Lol that'd right you guys get like a day relaxation before vnext planning and production kicks in! I needed a relaxation and all I did was readify.nethttp://readify.net new site - beers on me pete when I'm next back in Seattle :) job well done! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 17, 2010, at 2:11 AM, Peter Blois pete...@microsoft.commailto:pete...@microsoft.com wrote: Don’t forget .NET 3.5 SL3 support too ☺. Back to triaging Blend 4 bugs, speccing Blend for Windows Phone features, planning Blend 5, SL5 WPF vNext features. Time to relax after shipping? Bah! From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:24 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Give the expression team some slack this time round, as think about their shipping dependencies..heheh - VS2010 compat - .NET 4 compat - SL4 compat - WP7 compat + New Features All within around a 9 month schedule. When we were told of the schedule after SL3 was launched I simply shook my head in disbelief and uttered the words poor bastards... they appear to have come through in the end Hats off to them though they've kept it together considering. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien [j...@soulsolutions.com.au] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:02 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Great post from Tim explaining it all: http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/04/15/download-silverlight-4-released.aspx http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/04/15/download-silverlight-4-released.aspx Also he confirmed that VS2010 can multi target SL3 and SL4 so that is what I’ll be playing with on the weekend. Looks like RIA services for SL3 is the only problematic piece of the puzzle. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:07 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 + It'll be done when it's done. It's good that we can use it before it's done :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph [n...@builttoroam.com] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:02 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Right, so you’d prefer to wait for longer to get Silverlight 4 until all the designer bits are final, rather than get Silverlight 4 today h I know what I’d prefer. Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:55 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Silverlight 4 Pooo :( I just wish they would just release it all at once, bit sick of all these beta and RC bits on my machine, I want to just install all the RTM bits at once. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Knight mailto:jak...@gmail.comjak...@gmail.commailto:jak...@gmail.com wrote: Yuppers On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Winston Pang mailto:winstonp...@gmail.comwinstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com wrote: So wait, the tool's aren't final, but the runtime is? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nick Randolph mailto:n...@builttoroam.comn...@builttoroam.commailto:n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Note that this is RC2 for the Visual Studio tools. It's actually RTW for Silverlight 4 itself! Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.comozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun
RE: Silverlight 4
Give the expression team some slack this time round, as think about their shipping dependencies..heheh - VS2010 compat - .NET 4 compat - SL4 compat - WP7 compat + New Features All within around a 9 month schedule. When we were told of the schedule after SL3 was launched I simply shook my head in disbelief and uttered the words poor bastards... they appear to have come through in the end Hats off to them though they've kept it together considering. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien [j...@soulsolutions.com.au] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:02 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Great post from Tim explaining it all: http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/04/15/download-silverlight-4-released.aspx Also he confirmed that VS2010 can multi target SL3 and SL4 so that is what I’ll be playing with on the weekend. Looks like RIA services for SL3 is the only problematic piece of the puzzle. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:07 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 + It'll be done when it's done. It's good that we can use it before it's done :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph [n...@builttoroam.com] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:02 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Right, so you’d prefer to wait for longer to get Silverlight 4 until all the designer bits are final, rather than get Silverlight 4 today h I know what I’d prefer. Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:55 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Silverlight 4 Pooo :( I just wish they would just release it all at once, bit sick of all these beta and RC bits on my machine, I want to just install all the RTM bits at once. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Knight jak...@gmail.commailto:jak...@gmail.com wrote: Yuppers On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com wrote: So wait, the tool's aren't final, but the runtime is? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.commailto:n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Note that this is RC2 for the Visual Studio tools. It's actually RTW for Silverlight 4 itself! Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay Tripathi Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 10:03 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Silverlight 4 Just checked, Silverlight 4 RC2 is now available for download. Vinay -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:03 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML Hey Ross, Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately the app is actually a CMS with a big framework - so chaning it isn't an option. Cheers, Jordan. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ross [r...@perenni.com.aumailto:r...@perenni.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:00 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML If the SL app is inside an updatepanel I don't think you will ever win. You could try pagemethods instead of updatepanels perhaps, assuming the legacy permits. I just
RE: Silverlight 4
Jordan: I ended up created 3x VHD's that i do native boots on. VHD1 - VS2008 (SL3/EXPR3) VHD2 - VS2010 (RC) VHD3 - VS2010 RTW + SL4 RTW + EXPR 4 RC then i'll create a VHD4 VHD4 - VS2010 RTW + SL4 RTW + EXP4 RTW I use a base VHD with everything but Microsoft tools installed (CS4, Office etc) Go Win7! :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight [jordan.kni...@readify.net] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:06 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 A gotcha worth pointing out when going to VS2010 and developing for Azure with Silverlight and WCF RIA Services: The 2010 version of WCF RIA Services can't run on 3.5... So I've been re-isntalling WRS as I switch projects. Nothing major - its a 2 mins install... Anyone have an tips on having them both on the machine at once? Probably should just build a VS08 VPC :) Jordan. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien [j...@soulsolutions.com.au] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 1:02 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Great post from Tim explaining it all: http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/04/15/download-silverlight-4-released.aspx Also he confirmed that VS2010 can multi target SL3 and SL4 so that is what I’ll be playing with on the weekend. Looks like RIA services for SL3 is the only problematic piece of the puzzle. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:07 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 + It'll be done when it's done. It's good that we can use it before it's done :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph [n...@builttoroam.com] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:02 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Right, so you’d prefer to wait for longer to get Silverlight 4 until all the designer bits are final, rather than get Silverlight 4 today h I know what I’d prefer. Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:55 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Silverlight 4 Pooo :( I just wish they would just release it all at once, bit sick of all these beta and RC bits on my machine, I want to just install all the RTM bits at once. On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Knight jak...@gmail.commailto:jak...@gmail.com wrote: Yuppers On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Winston Pang winstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com wrote: So wait, the tool's aren't final, but the runtime is? On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nick Randolph n...@builttoroam.commailto:n...@builttoroam.com wrote: Note that this is RC2 for the Visual Studio tools. It's actually RTW for Silverlight 4 itself! Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay Tripathi Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 10:03 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Silverlight 4 Just checked, Silverlight 4 RC2 is now available for download. Vinay -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:03 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML Hey Ross, Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately the app is actually a CMS with a big framework - so chaning it isn't an option. Cheers, Jordan. From:
RE: VHDs in Windows 7 (was RE: Silverlight 4)
It's cool huh. I used to use this a lot when i was in Microsoft as given i used to dogfood a lot of software for the company it just paid to have VHD instances ready to be used at a moments notice and nuked with equal guilt free.. as i often would keep my primary Win7 build as the clean don't install, pure build Then clone this build, use it as my variety of instance builds etc. I then would get into the habit of keeping documents, source code etc on D: which was my original Win7 instance..that way should i have to put an axe through a VS2010 RC build that's gone south, its not a case of Did i back the music, sourcecode, artwork etc up..answer is Yes, as all use it I also am starting to use it now for customers that i visit onsite. In that if the customer needs me to configure my laptop to suite their environment i new-up an instance and call it CustomerXYZ - Win7 and then archive it for when i next re-visit them etc ..that way its set to the exact settings before and after i leave and not impact my personal setups... I did it via the old skool command prompt, but if you find a tool let me know. as i'd be keen to automate this more. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au [carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 3:32 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: VHDs in Windows 7 (was RE: Silverlight 4) OMG. I had no idea you could do native boots on VHDs in Windows 7. I still can’t pick my jaw up from the floor. Scott: Are there any tools that let you do this easily setup VHDs for boot or is it all done through the command line (Diskpart etc)? Carl. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.net Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:29 PM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Jordan: I ended up created 3x VHD's that i do native boots on. VHD1 - VS2008 (SL3/EXPR3) VHD2 - VS2010 (RC) VHD3 - VS2010 RTW + SL4 RTW + EXPR 4 RC then i'll create a VHD4 VHD4 - VS2010 RTW + SL4 RTW + EXP4 RTW I use a base VHD with everything but Microsoft tools installed (CS4, Office etc) Go Win7! :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight [jordan.kni...@readify.net] Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 1:06 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 A gotcha worth pointing out when going to VS2010 and developing for Azure with Silverlight and WCF RIA Services: The 2010 version of WCF RIA Services can't run on 3.5... So I've been re-isntalling WRS as I switch projects. Nothing major - its a 2 mins install... Anyone have an tips on having them both on the machine at once? Probably should just build a VS08 VPC :) Jordan. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien [j...@soulsolutions.com.au] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 1:02 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Great post from Tim explaining it all: http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/04/15/download-silverlight-4-released.aspx Also he confirmed that VS2010 can multi target SL3 and SL4 so that is what I’ll be playing with on the weekend. Looks like RIA services for SL3 is the only problematic piece of the puzzle. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:07 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 + It'll be done when it's done. It's good that we can use it before it's done :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph [n...@builttoroam.com] Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 12:02 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Silverlight 4 Right, so you’d prefer to wait for longer to get Silverlight 4 until all the designer bits are final, rather than get Silverlight 4 today h I know what I’d prefer. Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application Development | +61 412 413 425 The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 11:55 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Silverlight 4 Pooo :( I just wish they would just release it all at once, bit sick
RE: How to hack Expression Blend.
Adding two Microsoft Rockstars whom may find the below of interest - or not ..
;) hehe
Pete: what's your thoughts on David's approach below in the url? dangerous or
safe?
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/guide-to-creating-expression-blend-3-addins/
David / All,
heh funny how we're both attacking blend from different angles and kind of
arrive at the same entry point - yet - didn't talk to one another once about
it.. Go Readify! :)
I think your approach is much cleaner than walking the VisualTree like mine and
I'm pretty sure yours is the supported way of doing things (i.e. Blend's not
likely to introduce breaking changes to its current structure - so I've been
told).
I'd love to see Blend take on even more of an extensibility than it has today,
in that for example:
[CategoryVisibility(Font,false)]
[CategoryVisibility(Common Properties,false)]
[CategoryPanel(typeof(MyPanel),Panel Name,Description)]
public class ConsoleWindow : ContentControl
{
This would effectively inject your own Panel into the Property Grid. As I think
if we had a basic SDK/API to tap into and route actions through, we could keep
a tighter control over how UserControl's Turnkeys work etc. Then using API's
like:
MyCustomControlTag tag = new MyCustomControlTag();
tag.SetType(typeof(MyCustomControl));
tag.Name = Item01;
tag.MyCustomProperty = new MyValue();
BlendVisualDOMHelper.CreateElement(myParentTag, tag, new
TagOrderAttribute(TagOrder.Later), TreeBrowseable.No);
This would also allow as to write XAML through a controlled set of approaches
(Much like HTML DOM access today).
*We new-up a MyCustomControlTag which inherits a BaseTag class (usual
UserControl / Control properties etc attached).
*We define the Type so that it can auto-resolve the xmlns= for us
before injecting it into your XAML at design-time.
*We can access our Custom properties as they derive from
MyCustomControl
*We then Inject this into the XAML DOM via BlendVisualDOMHelper through
a factory method - CreateElement.
*We then feed in the tag and make sure its attached to its ParentNode.
*We then feed in an Ordering attribute (I quite like how PropertyOrder
works today in Design-time projects for given properties)
*We then define whether or not this node is Visible on the Objects
Timeline hierarchy as at times we want to make knucklehead tags visible while
at the same time for tags with basic functionality we often may opt out -
having the choice would be great.
Combine these two concepts together and I'd be pretty happy with the way in
which I could mutate Expression Blend and do functional things to enable me to
keep a tighter reign over framework usage for both developers and designers -
essentially force-fit them into following a set path vs. giving them 101
properties they can tweak as well it at times is unnecessary and often causes
more pain than its worth.
eg: I managed to customize Blend for my ConsoleWindow control i'm writing:
[cid:image001.jpg@01CAD29F.854AB820]
That's all she wrote - in that you can't access anything else via Blend. You'd
have to actually go in via Code to do it and i figure if you try doing things
via that route well all bets are off anyway.
From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Burela
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:47 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: How to hack Expression Blend.
Along a similar path, here are my notes on how to create your own addins for
expression blend
http://davidburela.wordpress.com/2010/02/02/guide-to-creating-expression-blend-3-addins/
-David Burela
From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer
Sent: Friday, 2 April 2010 4:36 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: How to hack Expression Blend.
Awesome.
Tim Heuer | +1 (602) 405-4567 | Microsoft Silverlight
blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter:
@timheuerhttp://twitter.com/timheuer
From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 6:58 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: FYI: How to hack Expression Blend.
In case any of you are curious, here's some basic how to on hacking
Expression Blend's UI, tonight I wrote a quick blog post documenting it (ie you
can really goof around with the UI inside the tool)
How to hack Expression Blend - http://bit.ly/9e4GQd
Would love to know if any of you are tinkering around in this space as well?
any insights/tips?
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FYI: How to hack Expression Blend.
In case any of you are curious, here's some basic how to on hacking Expression Blend's UI, tonight I wrote a quick blog post documenting it (ie you can really goof around with the UI inside the tool) How to hack Expression Blend - http://bit.ly/9e4GQd Would love to know if any of you are tinkering around in this space as well? any insights/tips? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
You can't set Global Styles right?
In WPF you can set global styles but in SIlverlight it's right+click+Apply Style right? ie i'm not high in thinking that am I? :) ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: You can't set Global Styles right?
There is only so much in terms of themeing / UI that you can change in the phone. If you really want to go out of your way to do some scary crap, then well you really have to work at it..so in a sense prescribed UI isn't a bad thing when it comes to quick hello world style apps :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 1:18 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right? I'm curious: how does it protect developers? I hope it doesn't. Restricting developers stifles innovation. I'd rather be unrestricted, and have to be disciplined when I develop. Restricting developers smells like VB to me. I agree about the UX on WM7. It's not going to make any iPhone users convert to the dark side... From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.net Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 10:03 AM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right? As much as i piss and moan about the UX being meh one thing that appeals to me about it all is how it protects developers from themselves in terms of UI/UX :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2010 12:39 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: You can't set Global Styles right? It's only the beginning. I'm sure things will improve rapidly from here. I think I found out about marketplace from keynote 1 from MIX10. Carl. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.com Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 9:07 AM To: ozSilverlight ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: You can't set Global Styles right? The dev experience is great. I started playing with some apps and it was a breeze, having Silverlight experience it's really easy. You can do the UI in blend with some nice animations and databing everything to a viewmodel, etc. I didn't hear anything about the marketplace, the phones are coming out on the holiday season, so we still have a lot of time to get ready... probably a looong time before the phone hit the Oz market. I saw a couple of guys developing on an enumulator using a multi touch monitor, it's far from ideal, but it was nice to see. -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.comhttp://www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ This email has been scanned by the Bankwest Email Security System. ___ ___ Unencrypted electronic mail is not secure and may not be authentic. If you have any doubts as to the contents please telephone to confirm. This electronic transmission including any attachments is intended only for those to whom it is addressed. It may contain copyright material or information that is confidential, privileged or exempt from disclosure by law. Any claim to privilege is not waived or lost by reason of mistaken transmission of this information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not distribute or copy this transmission and should please notify the sender. Your costs for doing this will be reimbursed by the sender. We do not accept liability in connection with computer virus, data corruption, delay, interruption, unauthorised access or unauthorised amendment. ___ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
Create a child for a UserControl?
Q. Does anyone know if you can instantiate a Control into a raw UserControl class, in that if you File-New-MyClass and then inherit UserControl. How does one new-up a Grid/Panel etc within the construct of that class? (Given it has no MyClass.Children) I know you can do it if do MyClass.xaml.cs via that approach, but interested to know of an alternative approach? Scott. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Create a child for a UserControl?
Nm... i forgot about the MyClass.Content = new YourControlHere() is what i was looking for.. RTFM? :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:40 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Create a child for a UserControl? Q. Does anyone know if you can instantiate a Control into a raw UserControl class, in that if you File-New-MyClass and then inherit UserControl. How does one new-up a Grid/Panel etc within the construct of that class? (Given it has no MyClass.Children) I know you can do it if do MyClass.xaml.cs via that approach, but interested to know of an alternative approach? Scott. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: RE: Silverlight site.
My thoughts are that this site is basically a Tyre Fire on the horizon of the web. [cid:image001.jpg@01CAC136.ACCB7490] :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Craig Dunn Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 3:47 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: RE: Silverlight site. oops - not a great advertisement for Silverlight's x-platform ability http://twitpic.com/17uw53 :-( in safari On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Vishwanath Humpy vhu...@rediffmail.commailto:vhu...@rediffmail.com wrote: is it not a schoolboy(girl) error to have the home page unavailable via the menus? once you navigate around you can't get back to the home page directly. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 11:55 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Silverlight site. http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight has been updated. Thoughts? (i.e. i had nothing to do with it so unload good/bad) inline: image001.jpg___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: xaml icons
Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful waste of CPU :) no matter how big/small they are in density. You should consider using caching them as bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convert them to pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away with just JPG that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alpha to deal with by Silverlight. As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold of who specialise in Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting .AI/.EPS files to XAML is an easy task given Expression Blend has import capabilities for this kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convert ping me as i'd be curious to see why. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: xaml icons We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were using hundreds of these on a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose's sprite method using a series of frames as a single png image with great results. If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control: http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthchangeSetId=37658#584181 (I really should start blogging all this stuff...) John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: xaml icons When using complex vector graphics, I think you should consider not only the size, but also the CPU impact it might have. I would hope that for small icons this won't be an issue. I don't have experience in this area, but it's something I would try to test/google before going with that approach. On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.aumailto:j...@soulsolutions.com.au wrote: Icons are really time consuming for a graphic designer, I like this site: http://www.iconfinder.nethttp://www.iconfinder.net/ as it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed for commercial use. Even an API in there :) I started out thinking everything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so it can scale to any size but found it way too difficult to create, I'm back to just using nice PNG images. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector format then expression design should be able to convert them to XAML, when comparing filesizes remember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend comparing what the filesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to scale beyond 128x128px or 64x64px size. John. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: xaml icons Does anyone know of any good free or paid resource for xaml icons? I can do them myself but I'm a bit slow and don't have a graphics designer by my side. I know there are plenty of converters, as well documented here, but you do need something to convert : http://blogs.msdn.com/mswanson/pages/WPFToolsAndControls.aspx I also had hopes for this visio - xaml but it doesn't work on my machine : http://visioautomation.codeplex.comhttp://visioautomation.codeplex.com/ Or I am on the wrong track, perhaps icons are best left as pngs and I should just invest in an icon library such as http://www.iconshock.com/ and forget about it ? [cid:image001.jpg@01CABF9F.2E8517A0]http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/signatureline@middle? ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.comhttp://www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com inline: image001.jpg___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: RE: xaml icons
From memory the new text rendering engine makes use of the OS level to help
render that out visually (i think it actually uses clear type or a subset of it
anyway). When you do a process path approach, you're not using the text
renderer at all and are essentially generating a vector shape that happens to
look like TEXT (ie much the same way as a circle etc).
From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vishwanath Humpy
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 4:30 PM
To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
Subject: Re: RE: xaml icons
Lots of great advice. I don't think I will contemplate doing icons as xaml any
longer for the variety of reasons mentioned.
I am curious though. When it comes to the performance issue, what is the
difference between the rest of my xaml UI and the icons? Is it the case that
drawing and scaling (if required) say :
Canvas Height=100 Width=100
Path Fill={StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush}...
.
/Path
/Canvas
is a lot more cpu expensive than :
Grid Background=StaticResource SomeLinearGradientBrush Height=100
Width=100
/Grid
Does it consume a lot of cpu plotting and scaling all the points on the path?
Which is not the case for buttons, grids, textblocks?
Is the text rendering engine a lot more efficient generating the display than
processing a path?
On Tue, 09 Mar 2010 11:33:47 +0530 wrote
Having Icons in pure vector 100% of the time is an awful wasteof CPU ☺ nomatter
how big/small they are in density. You should consider using cachingthem as
bitmap at runtime per state you keep them firstly failing that convertthem to
pure bitmap (PNG/JPG) could also work as well, if you can get away withjust JPG
that is also a lot smoother and more perf gain, given there's no Alphato deal
with by Silverlight.
As for XAML ICON designers, any designer you can get a hold ofwho specialise in
Icon design (desktop illustrators etc) are fine. Converting.AI/.EPS files to
XAML is an easy task given ex-pression Blend has importcapabilities for this
kind of thing aswell. If you can't get one to convertping me as i'd be curious
to see why.
From:
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]
On Behalf Of JohnOBrien
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:24 PM
To: 'ozSilverlight'
Subject: RE: xaml icons
We ran into trouble with animated xaml icons, we were usinghundreds of these on
a map and it did consume some CPU. We switched to Jose’ssprite method using a
series of frames as a single png image with greatresults.
If anyone is interested I made it into a reusable control:
http://deepearth.codeplex.com/sourcecontrol/network/Show?projectName=deepearthchangeSetId=37658#584181http://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fdeepearth%2Ecodeplex%2Ecom%2Fsourcecontrol%2Fnetwork%2FShow%3FprojectName%3Ddeepearth%26amp%3BchangeSetId%3D37658%23584181isImage=0BlockImage=0
(I really should start blogging all this stuff...)
John.
From:
ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]
On Behalf Of MiguelMadero
Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 12:54 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: xaml icons
When using complex vector graphics, Ithinkyou should consider not only the
size, but also the CPU impact itmight have. I would hope that for small icons
this won't be an issue. I don'thave experience in this area, but it's something
I would try to test/googlebefore going with that approach.
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:25 PM, JohnOBrien
j...@soulsolutions.com.au/prism/writemail?mode=mail_to_individualemail=j...@soulsolutions.com.auoutput=webels=2e176912d075299f49c2b4025e4c86f6wrote:
Icons are really timeconsuming for a graphic designer, I like this site:
http://www.iconfinder.nethttp://www.rediffmail.com/cgi-bin/red.cgi?red=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eiconfinder%2Enet%2FisImage=0BlockImage=0as
it has good quality free icons with a filter to show the ones allowed
forcommercial use. Even an API in there ☺
I started out thinkingeverything in Silverlight should be vector based XAML so
it can scale to anysize but found it way too difficult to create, I’m back to
just using nice PNGimages. That said if you get a kit of icons in a vector
format then ex-pressiondesign should be able to convert them to XAML, when
comparing filesizesremember that the xaml will be zipped. I do recommend
comparing what thefilesize will be in xaml vs PNG and whether you need them to
scale beyond128x128px or 64x64px size.
John.
From:
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Sent: Tuesday, 9 March 2010 10:56 AM
To:
RE: Does anyone know the RIA Services status?
It will RTM when VS2010 RTM's, at the moment mid next year is likely to be the landing date (around MIX or thereafter). The new rev I think from memory is also taking a more technical dependency on .NET4.0 so if you're going to go feet first with it, you'll need to go .NET4 on the server sooner rather than later. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephan Dekker Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 2:55 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Does anyone know the RIA Services status? Hi, I'm planning an upgrade for the app we've been working on for a while and I would like to move over to RIA services. It would be nice to be able to actually put it into production afterwards, so Does anyone know the status of RIA services? Has there been any announcements of an RTM date? What is the latest on the street? Cheers, Stephan National Australia Bank Ltd - ABN 12 004 044 937 This email may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately notify us at postmas...@nab.com.au or by replying to the sender, and then destroy all copies of this email. Except where this email indicates otherwise, views expressed in this email are those of the sender and not of National Australia Bank Ltd. Advice in this email does not take account of your objectives, financial situation, or needs. It is important for you to consider these matters and, if the e-mail refers to a product(s), you should read the relevant Product Disclosure Statement(s)/other disclosure document(s) before making any decisions. If you do not want email marketing from us in future, forward this email with unsubscribe in the subject line to unsubscripti...@nab.com.au in order to stop marketing emails from this sender. National Australia Bank Ltd does not represent that this email is free of errors, viruses or interference. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: NearMap in Silverlight, is that your washing on the line?
John we are all going to put some money in a hat and send you to a Deep Zoom clinic, you're an addict now :) heheheheheh Nice work! :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:30 AM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: NearMap in Silverlight, is that your washing on the line? I hadn't set the MaxZoomLevel to 21 initially, now you can see the West Indies getting beaten by Australia at the Gabba ;) It's a true testament to how well deepzoom works in Silverlight, this is in effectively a 536870912x536870912 pixel image or 288 petapixels :) WARNING 1: After you get used to it the old AJAX maps seem to be broken. WARNING 2: Up your data plan ;) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 6:14 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: NearMap in Silverlight, is that your washing on the line? Oh wait... I can zoom closer than before now. Must have still been downloading. Impressive resolution! I can see the hammock in my backyard. :) On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I like that you can't zoom in past a certain level of detail (no annoying no image tiles if you go too close). Also pretty cool how Nearmap collect their photos. Sounds like a HyperPod is essentially a flying camera. Can't find any more info on them. Wonder how they got permission to fly these things around in city airspace. :) On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Jordan Knight jordan.kni...@readify.netmailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net wrote: Hey that's pretty impressive... but... You could get so busted on that :P From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 6:22 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: NearMap in Silverlight, is that your washing on the line? (just don't tell the Bing Maps team I did it) http://deepearth.soulsolutions.com.au/nearmap/ Zoom into Perth, Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide or Brisbane and see what you were doing 2 weeks ago! http://www.nearmap.com are based in Perth and are causing a stir by processing high res aerial imagery very quickly and making it free for limited commercial use. http://deepearth.codeplex.com/ is a completely open source project on codeplex, two parts to it: 1) An unrestricted map control powered by the MultiScaleImage control (DeepZoom) 2) A toolkit for the Bing Maps control including Drawing tools, navigation panels, full SQL 2008 spatial integration and much more I'm always looking for people to help with the project, were hoping to get a new release out in the next few weeks so any feedback would be awesome (get latest source) John. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Merry Xmas from Readify.
That was me being lazy and not doing the math of 139px / % :) and instead cheated with 100pixels wide progress bar :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:24 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Merry Xmas from Readify. Looking good. Great work! One little thing I noticed though, the progress bar at start doesn't seem to correlate exactly to the percentile value, it seems a bit off... like when it reach the 90's mark, there was a large chunk left and it just jumped. Anyways, good stuff. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.netmailto:scott.bar...@readify.net wrote: http://readify.net/merry-christmas/ Small little Silverlight piece that we've done :) ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: Our new silverlight site
How do you hear about vulnerabilities? Let's look at the possible realistic ways - TV..the news reports about a virus thats taking the world by storm - but thankfully these days thats getting few and far between, so in a sense, consumers aren't bombarded with a variety of threat levels. - Your virus scanner alerts you - which is practically once a month, and i'd argue you treat that as a update tax, oh they need to something important to keep my safe guarded Reading a CNET blog about Adobe Acrobat Security exploits was not yielding much negativity towards Adobe, yet here we have a prolific install base of PDF readers having security holes in them. Did the world stop installing AIR / Acrobat? nope, train kept moving while the dogs barked. Jordan is spot on, it comes down to the site in which its housed. Do i trust Michael Hill jewelers not to hurt my machine? I'd rate Yes, given for them to abuse me is a short term win but long term loss for them, so i'd think Michael Hill Jewelers is a good candidate for trust here. Would RIAGENIC.com be trusted? No, as who the hell is RIAGENIC.com? even though i'm an ex-Microsoft employee, it still wouldn't dismiss the threat levels as it's a brand situation now. We once floated a year or so ago the idea of hiding Silverlight as a brand and allowing large vendors to name their plug-ins themselves as it does pose an interesting question as to whether or not it would impact the install rates? Install the NBC Olympics Video Plugin vs Install Microsoft Silverlight That sort of thing does raise some interesting questions - ones i'd love to explore one day. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight [jordan.kni...@readify.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:15 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site They sure would be. So the vendor needs credability for the designers for the site more than their end users... From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:14 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site If that's the theory, then wouldn't the credibility of the source have some sort of correlation to the credibility of the vendor? If flash has some big vulnerability, and all their files are deleted, they'll be blamming youtube! On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jordan Knight jordan.kni...@readify.netmailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net wrote: + you get the have you heard of Adobe?. nup. What about Microsoft?. Totally. Yet they still install Flash which is from a company they've never heard of... it's just the they trust YouTube to not bomb their puter machine... I reckon it's more about the source site's credibility than plug-in vendor credibility. (the only other thing is on locked down machines - up to the admin peeps to let the SL client trough their labyrinth of superfluous security systems :P) -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 10:56 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site Most of the research I've read / conducted around plugins + risk has constantly shown that the average user will install anything put before them provided they get access to the context of what they were seeking. 400million+ installs of Silverlight testifies to this behavior. Don't get my engines started on the misconception of what mums dads do online, i used to bore my team in Redmond to sleep with my soap boxing on this subject :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang [winstonp...@gmail.commailto:winstonp...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:28 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site Haha yeah, that's true. I asked a family member once, Flash is installed right?, I have Windows Media Player Installed, ..., Oh I also have iTunes installed. I love users, maybe it goes to show we're still a lot far off from making computers easily understandable for average users. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jordan Knight jordan.kni...@readify.netmailto:jordan.kni...@readify.netmailto:jordan.kni...@readify.netmailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net wrote: I find mum and dad users don't even know what tech they are using. Do you have flash installed?. What?. Can you play youtube videos? From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun
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Abandoning a game on principles is rare dude :) Espec when it comes to that game. As you know, I hang out with some of the Valve guys and i can honestly say they aren't lacking end users, in fact they are desperately trying to keep up with the demand they have generated via Steam. In fact a certain software company i know had contemplated a number of times of buying the rights to such a product, given the frictionless approach it offers in terms of distribution. Annoying customers vary and it depends on the emotional attachment to a product. If you're coke and want to change the recipe, sure, go ahead, see how that pans out.. If you're Microsoft and want to change an operating system, sure go ahead, will it impact? not really.. Windows Vista was declared a disaster, but Windows 7 is a success? so the question is...do you through a product deliberately out there to annoy your customer base, knowing full well they'll be grateful for the fix... bait and switch? Manipulation of consumers via marketing is an art form, and its ultimately why i'm an atheist as I've seen how easy it is to manipulate humans on a large scale :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie [barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:28 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site @Scott your mention of Valve software is interesting: both my teens have abandonded Team Fortress because of the obtrusiveness of Steam: broken, obtrusive, no value. They now immese in EVE online: the take-away? don't annoy your customers for the sake of marketing. They have the power to bail. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
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That is until TF3 comes out or the next game ;) - ie Left for Dead 2 is supposed to be an epic on the horizon..will that influence their decision to come back again? From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie [barry.beat...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:48 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site Abandoning a game on principles is rare dude :) Espec when it comes to that game. no principles involved. They were sick of Steam continually annoying them. and being broken. And they moved on. It was that simple. There are many more fish (games in this case, product suppliers in general) in the sea. ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
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How many of those non-JS users are actually making purchases vs those with JS. You should also do some A/B testing to verify out of the % of the non-JS persons, what is their behavioral adjustments are should you prevent them from accessing the site unless they reach JS benchmark. As whilst progressive enhancement is a righteous cause, what are the costs / impacts to the bottom line should the Tathams etc not be on hand to direct and massage that principle into place.Now associate that impact ROI against catering for the minority and tell me if it balances out in the end? Just because it should be done, doesn't mean it has to be done. Sometimes you just have to say no :) Say it Tatham..say no... go on..do it... :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tatham Oddie [tat...@oddie.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:52 PM To: 'ozSilverlight' Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site Yahoo have a bunch of data around this. During the development of graysonline.com we decided to support non-JavaScript users because they represented a significant enough percentage of our user base. Try it - disable JS in your browser and everything will still work. Progressive enhancement is the only way to develop for the web. :) Thanks, Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie, landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172 my business: tixi.com.au - Ticketing without the dramas -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:41 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site 7% where did you get that stat from? Is that 7% geo-specific? in that would say China bump that number into the higher 7 percentile bracket, meanwhile 90% of the US is in the lower 2%. Assuming its a flat 7% across all countries, now comes the potential vs reality question. In that out of that 7% what is the potential of buying / actionable customer base vis the reality of 7% of users not caring? If i said to you that i can reach 400million customers tomorrow in total, and yield say 48% return on actionable events, vs i can target 1billion tomorrow with a 48% click through, how would that change your ROI assessment? What works for Honda doesn't necessarily work for Ford is my point :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Connors [da...@codify.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:34 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site 2009/12/2 Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.netmailto:scott.bar...@readify.net Most of the research I've read / conducted around plugins + risk has constantly shown that the average user will install anything put before them provided they get access to the context of what they were seeking. 400million+ installs of Silverlight testifies to this behavior. If you use javascript you lose up to 7% of users because their browsers either don't run it, have it turned off or have McAfee/Norton/Whatever screw with my Internet experience 2009 edition installed. Let me explain that to you in another way: If you are going to sell $1 000 000 worth of stuff in a year on your site, then you will be immediately flushing $70 000 of your revenue down the can. If you're paying $ to acquire a lead, you're throwing out $7 in every $100 of your EDM budget. And I'm just talking about JS. Sending out marketing and then presenting customers with an Install button instead of a sales call to action is crazy. Don't get me wrong, SL and Flash have their place and I love kongregate.comhttp://kongregate.com - but as an adjunct, not an impediment to a transaction. -- David Connors (da...@codify.commailto:da...@codify.com) Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.comhttp://www.codify.com Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
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Aye, NetFlix has been extremely helpful with Microsoft in testing out various theories etc around the install experiences. One idea i wanted to do before I left was bake in a query string url on the mscom/silverlight/install page, where for big ticket customers of SL (first phase) if they pass in a query string like http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/install/netflix/ the site would follow the same color schemes etc as the Netflix site, so it appeared totally seamless (how many end users pay attention to the URL in a browser etc). It would be quite trivial to do, but well.. i left :) From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:15 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site We were talking about this yesterday at the SDDN meeting. Netflix did a nice work on providing this seamless experience. They customized the SL installation experience so the user doesn't have to know that they're installing SL, they're just 'starting' their media player. If the end user doesn't know the name of the underlying technology that means you did a good work on rebranding it. We have the same scenario with many desktop apps. With some apps it's evident (for us geeks) that it's .NET or Java Swing (guiiu), but the mom and dad type of user can't care less if it's Delphi as long as it looks good and works. AdobeAir apps usually do a poor job in this area. I'm constantly distracted about it. Why do I have to update Adobe Air when I'm trying to use [Insert here your favoirte Twitter Client]? On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.commailto:darren.nei...@live.com wrote: And why would/should they want to know. I just want my music! For example, I could care less what technology this site uses: http://listen.grooveshark.com/ It could just as easily be built using any one of several technologies. It's the user experience (how they've implemented it) that is impressive. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.commailto:darren.nei...@live.com From: jordan.kni...@readify.netmailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:23:19 +1100 Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site I find mum and dad users don't even know what tech they are using. Do you have flash installed?. What?. Can you play youtube videos? From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 8:48 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site I don't find that sad. Average users should not have to think about whether something is Flash or Silverlight. We think the technology is cool, users should just think the site is cool. Hopefully users today don't say 'nice PHP web site'? :) Shane Shane Morris | User Experience Evangelist | Microsoft Australia | shan...@microsoft.commailto:shan...@microsoft.com | blogs.msdn.com/shanemohttp://blogs.msdn.com/shanemo From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 7:51 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Re: Our new silverlight site One thing I find sad about all this stuff is, the average user is going to say Nice Flash website. :( On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: I just noticed that you integrated 3 videos with the deep zoom. It looks cool. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: Wow that's nice :) On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM, rjemp...@gmail.commailto:rjemp...@gmail.com wrote: The company history page is another interesting use of deep zoom : http://www.michaelhill.com.au/#CompanyHistory Click the pause button to skip the video On 01/12/2009 10:45am, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: Thanks for sharing. What do you mean by Application lifetime objects / client side services? It's nice the way you use deepzoom. Altough I was thinking I could zoom in out of the products and then I noticed that it was mainly to preload. That's nice. It would be good to know a bit more on some topics, for example security, how you used deep zoom, SEO and analytics. I agree with most of the comments around navigation, slot transitions and movies. It's some valuable feedback. Miguel. On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tatham Oddie
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This doesn't underpin the rationale as to why plug-ins/JavaScript based solutions are deemed inaccessible. For instance, key wording: Accessibility does not require that all pages be limited to plain text. More sophisticated and innovative pages can and should also be made accessible. In general, this involves provision of alternatives to an otherwise inaccessible feature, rather than any requirement to avoid innovative design. Provided there is an alternative route for an end-user to consumer the same amount of content is deemed fair. Its actually a very gray area as to what equality and experience is, one i'd imagine that if one was to kick of a test case in Australian judicial system, it would be a very expensive exercise to undertake. The reason why Sydney 2000 site was won, was in reality due to absolute no alternative experience or routed experience being provided by users of a disabled nature. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 7:58 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site Btw, see http://www.hreoc.gov.au/disability_rights/standards/www_3/www_3.html for details. Regards, Damian Edwards MSysDev Readify | Senior Consultant, Technical Specialist (Web) Microsoft MVPhttps://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Damian.Edwards: ASP/ASP.NET M: 0448 545 868 | E: damian.edwa...@readify.netmailto:damian.edwa...@readify.net | C: damian.edwa...@readify.netsip:damian.edwa...@readify.net | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 2:56 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site Well in Australia it's law. The federal Disability Discrimination Act states you can't discriminate based on someone's disability. This includes websites. The body charged with enforcing this is the Australian Human Rights Commission. They use the WCAG 1.0 standard as their baseline for assessing a site's accessibility, level AA to be exact. That level states that all functions of the site must be available with scripts plug-ins disabled. So, if the site is for an Australian organisation or individual, or hosted in Australia, and the core features of your site don't work with JS or plug-ins disabled, you're breaking the law. Regards, Damian Edwards MSysDev Readify | Senior Consultant, Technical Specialist (Web) Microsoft MVPhttps://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Damian.Edwards: ASP/ASP.NET M: 0448 545 868 | E: damian.edwa...@readify.netmailto:damian.edwa...@readify.net | C: damian.edwa...@readify.netsip:damian.edwa...@readify.net | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:58 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site I do admire that gray's online can gracefully degrade so well. But as much as we'd all like to design our sites to cater for every population, are customers even willing to pay more to have support for non-javascript users, I've found that development companies, all want to minimise development cost, to have a bigger profit cut. It's just so sad sometimes. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.aumailto:tat...@oddie.com.au wrote: Yahoo have a bunch of data around this. During the development of graysonline.comhttp://graysonline.com we decided to support non-JavaScript users because they represented a significant enough percentage of our user base. Try it - disable JS in your browser and everything will still work. Progressive enhancement is the only way to develop for the web. :) Thanks, Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie, landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172 my business: tixi.com.auhttp://tixi.com.au - Ticketing without the dramas -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:41 AM To: ozSilverlight Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site 7% where did you get that stat from? Is that 7% geo-specific? in that would say China bump that number into the higher 7 percentile bracket, meanwhile 90% of the US is in the lower 2%. Assuming its a flat 7% across all countries, now comes the potential vs reality question. In that out of that 7% what is the potential of buying / actionable customer base vis the reality of 7% of users not caring? If i said to you that i can reach 400million customers tomorrow in total, and yield say 48% return on actionable events, vs i can target 1billion tomorrow
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Disagree with you on most of your points. You appear to basing a lot of assumptions on bad data such as googleing what the other guy does. - Just because you spend x dollars to generate demand for a given site, does not guarantee a high retention of specific consumer activities. If you disagree, I suggest you write out your formula and hit the infomercial circuit tomorrow as you'll make a mint and probably reduce Google's ad revenue at the same time. - Implying an install experience increases friction is a misguided as well, as it will vary depending on context. JavaScript can only lead you so far in terms of generating an appropriate level experience, where as a plug-in is an extension of this metaphor beyond what the current browser models can carry out today. Example, Nike, Audi etc all invest heavily in plug-in driven experiences, that don't degrade to a JavaScript based only solution. The question for you rather than pound away at this point is - why? why do they do that as surely this an implied friction based of your argument below? e.g.: See http://www.nike.com/nikefootball/home/?locale=en_USsitesrc=uslp without Flash installed. - I'm also quite curious as to how you define your ROI assessment. In that how you determine what friction is defined as when it comes to putting a solution like Silverlight in front of your customers? I'm curious as to what rationale you use here? Is it the notion that installation = abandonment? Do you have any past experience or analytical data to support your claims or is this just from the hip? From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Connors Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:28 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site 2009/12/2 Scott Barnes scott.bar...@readify.netmailto:scott.bar...@readify.net 7% where did you get that stat from? Google. You can use it to search the Internet. :| Like all web stats, YMMV. [ ...] In that out of that 7% what is the potential of buying / actionable customer base vis the reality of 7% of users not caring? There's no way to know that. If i said to you that i can reach 400million customers tomorrow in total, and yield say 48% return on actionable events, vs i can target 1billion tomorrow with a 48% click through, how would that change your ROI assessment? What works for Honda doesn't necessarily work for Ford is my point :) I almost never understand your points. My ROI assessment would be pinned on producing a solution that had the least friction between a customer coming to my site and giving me money. If you can fancy that up by chucking a bit of SL around - awesome, however the correct way to do that is to silently fail back to a site that works and perhaps offering them a better SL experience. -- David Connors (da...@codify.commailto:da...@codify.com) Software Engineer Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.comhttp://www.codify.com Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417 189 363 V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
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I eat lunch with the architects behind this and they have their minds in the right place as to why this exist. It's one of those things that just makes sense :) This is going to be a massive thing for us worldwide, and I expect many things will orbit around this initiative, so it's the start of what I hope is positive things for the web industry - especially kick starting the startup within us all - (More on my thoughts later hehe). I'll also be doing an interview with the guy who designed Microsoft.com/web next week, as its probably one of the best designed sites we have in Microsoft at the moment. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:09 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: websitespark Excellent initiative. This is a massive step towards cleaning up software licensing issues. As a budding MicroISV, this means that I can easily gain access to the tools that I need to develop and manage my software solutions. I'd like to learn more about the DotNetPanel control panel and I'd like to know why this wasn't linked to Azure in any way. Kind Regards, Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.commailto:darren.nei...@live.com From: jor...@microsoft.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: websitespark Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 01:03:02 + As per http://blogs.technet.com/jorke/archive/2009/09/24/announcing-websitespark-in-australia.aspx I would love to hear your comments. (apologies if duplicated) I am VERY excited to announce the launch of a new *SPARK program at Microsoft for Australia; WebSiteSparkhttp://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark you'll see that the gu has already post about this.http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2009/09/24/announcing-the-websitespark-program.aspx http://blogs.technet.com/blogfiles/jorke/WindowsLiveWriter/AnnouncingWebSiteSparkinAustralia_14250/WebsiteSpark_Banner_2.jpg WebSiteSparkhttp://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark is aimed specifically at those who are developing in the web platform and we're giving them a jumpstart to get started on the Microsoft Platform. The Australian launch of WebSiteSparkhttp://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark will be on the 8th of October at Web Directions Southhttp://south09.webdirections.org/ - Hope to see you there! So very simply, here are the Gets and Gives: What to we give you? Software licenses that you can use for three years AT NO COST. Once enrolled, you can download and immediately use the following software from Microsoft: *3 licenses of Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition *1 license of Expression Studio 3 (which includes Expression Blend, Sketchflow, and Web) *2 licenses of Expression Web 3 *4 processor licenses of Windows Web Server 2008 R2 *4 processor licenses of SQL Server 2008 Web Edition *DotNetPanel control panel (enabling easy remote/hosted management of your servers) The Windows Server and SQL Server licenses can be used for both development and production deployment. You can either self-host the servers on your own, or use the licenses with a hoster. WebsiteSparkhttp://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark makes it easy to find hosters who are also enrolled in the program, and who can use your licenses to provide you with either dedicated or virtual dedicated servers to host your sites on. In addition to software, WebsiteSparkhttp://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark provides partner opportunities to grow and build your business through referrals and product support training. Who can get WebSiteSpark? This is really simple: 1.Your company builds web sites and web application on behalf of others. 2.Your company currently has less than 10 employees. If you meet these requirements you can sign up today. As part of the enrollment process you can pick a network referral partner such as a hoster or enter a code that you have received at an event or from a Microsoftie. Once you have that code you can enrol and start downloading the software - If you're in Australia you can send an email to me: jor...@microsoft.commailto:jor...@microsoft.com and i'll hook you up - otherwise websp...@microsoft.commailto:websp...@microsoft.com . After 3 years? You have no obligation to continue using the software just a $100 fee for the use of the program. By this time we hope you would have made a decision on whether you're happy to continue to work with Microsoft and be part of the Microsoft Partner Networkhttps://partner.microsoft.com/global/partner. What's happening in Australia? The official launch of WebSiteSparkhttp://www.microsoft.com/web/websitespark in Australia will be at Web Directions Southhttp://south09.webdirections.org/ on the 8th of October and from the start we've partnered with two of Australia's best hosting companies to provide the network services, Melbourne IThttp://www.melbourneit.com.au/
RE: SEO in SL3
Also note, that if RIA Services is not your cup of tea, we've baked the concept of Deep Linking into Silverlight outside the RIA Services. Using the Navigation Framework you can add #bookmark type urls to your said URL. The thing to remember about SEO is to keep in mind that you should architect your solution to use both Visual State management and Data State Management (basically combine Deep Linking with Isolated Storage). When I manage to find some free time (at this point 2011 is likely when) I've been planning on writing a Guidance Document on how to achieve this in more detail. As it's actually much easier than most fear, just requires some forward planning at the start of a solution is all. Failing that, RIA Services does the job good enough. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Ross Jempson Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:59 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: SEO in SL3 Thanks for that. It shows exactly what I wanted. He gives a link to another blog and sample app that are easy to understand http://blogs.msdn.com/waldred/archive/2009/03/24/search-engine-optimization-for-silverlight-applications-part-2.aspx http://code.msdn.microsoft.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ProjectName=RiaServicesReleaseId=2390 It uses RIA services to access the data, but you can wire it up to any data source. And of course you could easily hard code it if your app doesn't have much dynamic data. From: Perry Stathopoulos [mailto:psta...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2009 12:56 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: SEO in SL3 I'm thinking it has more to do with .NET RIA Services. Take a look at this: http://blogs.msdn.com/brada/archive/2009/03/25/silverlight-3-and-seo.aspx Ross, please share if you find a better way. From: Jonathan Parkermailto:jonathanparkerem...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 10:31 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: SEO in SL3 From what I gather it's basically saying that by using dynamic data with hyperlinks to an asp.nethttp://asp.net page that has your silverlight app on it you can do SEO+deep linking with SL3. On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Ross Jempson ross.jemp...@michaelhill.com.aumailto:ross.jemp...@michaelhill.com.au wrote: I am investigating how to best do SEO in SL3. I have seen the following quoted 100's of times all over the web, but none of the authors have elaborated on the specifics : By utilizing business objects on the server, together with ASP.NEThttp://ASP.NET controls and site maps, users can automatically mirror database-driven RIA content into HTML that is easily indexed by the leading search engines. Does anyone know of any resources that elaborate on such techniques? Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address:
RE: Do we upgrade to Silverlight3 on our dev machines?
You can't create Silverlight 2 Projects if you install the Silverlight 3 bits, as this has to do with the SDK's etc occupying the same spots inside the devs computer. We wanted to have side by side installations of each version but with VS2008 it was somewhat harder to implement than first thought. Let me know if this really impacts you and specifically how, as it's not really been a hot topic so if it's something that bugs you, rant away at me as i'm more than happy to take this to the team in Silverlight vNext. You can however run existing SL2 .xaps etc in Silverlight 3 as we'll make sure the runtime itself is backwards compatible. Thx. Scott. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Craig Dunn [craig.d...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, 10 July 2009 3:11 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Do we upgrade to Silverlight3 on our dev machines? Silverlight 3.0 release noteshttp://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=157632 from http://silverlight.net/GetStarted/ says Silverlight 3 Tools and Silverlight 2 Compatibility Silverlight 2 projects cannot be created with the Silverlight 3 Tools for Visual Studio 2008. To create Silveright 2 projects, uninstall the Silverlight 3 runtime and the Silverlight 3 Tools from Add or Remove Programs and re-install the Silverlight 2 Tools for Visual Studio 2008. The SL3 Tools download pagehttp://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=9442b0f2-7465-417a-88f3-5e7b5409e9dddisplaylang=en doesn't really say either way... BUT it seems that I can't even view 3.0http://conceptdev.blogspot.com/2009/07/silverlight-30-cant-upgrade-runtime.html unless I do install the tools (over the 2.0 tools) Catch-22? Like I said in my blog, I don't want to be website forcing the 4Mb download until I absolutely have to... so will probably be SL2 dev'ing for a little while yet. Back to a VM for all 3.0 work testing. I can 'kinda' understand MS' approach... but then again kinda not... did I miss something? On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Ross McKinnon ross.mckin...@michaelhill.com.aumailto:ross.mckin...@michaelhill.com.au wrote: Scott says, its all backwards compatible, so you should be ok. But we might have had a few, so, use your own judgement -Original Message- From: John OBrien j...@soulsolutions.com.aumailto:j...@soulsolutions.com.au Sent: Friday, 10 July 2009 6:34 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Do we upgrade to Silverlight3 on our dev machines? It's getting late on Friday I know but did I miss a post about what happens when we upgrade to Silverlight3 as developers? It's awesome that the runtime is backwards compatible so existing sites won't break but... 1) Can we still target Silverlight2 in Visual Studio? 2) What happens to our corporate clients without admin rights, do we need to get their IT guys to update? John. Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ:
RE: Silverlight/Expression Aussie Tour Thoughts welcomed.
Doh... I don't know my ass from my elbow atm.. :) I blame jet lag.. is weak, but I still blame it. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:29 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight/Expression Aussie Tour Thoughts welcomed. Hey Barnes, From Mahesh: Awesome, Scott. I've booked the room for the 23rd in Melbourne. Looking forward to it :) From SB: Thanks Mahesh! J Melbourne is all primed for some lovin' There is no SDDN planned in Sydney next week - hit the SSW i reckon :) And yeah, as you said... don't suck :P From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Tuesday, 7 July 2009 11:21 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight/Expression Aussie Tour Thoughts welcomed. Hi All, Doing the finalizations today (should have it locked by this afternoon if all goes well). * Adelaide (PENDING) - 18th July. oI'm trying now to dovetail the codecamp into the schedule as I agree, it would be perfect timing for me to be there). * Sydney. (PENDING) - 15th July. o What day next week? As maybe I can bring that forward and head into Sydney for the SDDN instead as that way I won't impact too much of your guys after hour schedules? At the moment it's likely I'll just hit the Sydney SSW .NET UserGroup (via Adam Cogan) meeting on the 15th July - so is this the same as the SDDN? * Brisbane. (PENDING) o I may have to push Brisbane 8th back as I'm talking to Mike and likely going to crash the local UG here this month. * Perth. (LOCKED) - 22nd July. o I'll be doing my preso at the next perth SDDN. * Melbourne (PENDING) o Still wondering what to do here, any thoughts as it's the only city where I've not heard boo about me being there so may scratch it? * Canberra. (PENDING). 20th July. o Looks like I'll be doing my spiel at the SSW .NET UG - 20th July (via Adam Cogan). One thought occurred to me in organizing this, is I'd love to meet up with the UG heads etc and see if we can put together a shared talent /calendar of some sort as maybe I'm just an ignorant ass (which is very likely) but it would be good to see a centralized approach to the ethos here... ie one website to rule them all or something like that? Love to mediate that between the community and Microsoft Australia more (may even fund it). I'm absolutely excited to do this and am very grateful for folks helping me organize the above. Now to make sure my presentation inspires you all some more... damn that's a lot of pressure now :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Grant Molloy Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 4:20 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Silverlight/Expression Aussie Tour Thoughts welcomed. Scott, Have you finalised the locations yet? How do we book tickets ? Grant On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: Hey All, I'm coming home for a month and was thinking of doing an Aussie Tour of Silverlight/Expression 3 and answer any questions around our products futures etc. The below are the dates I'm thinking and was keen to get folks in each city to provide feedback around the said dates. * 08th JulyBrisbane * 22nd July Perth * 23rd JulyMelbourne. * 27th JulySydney * 28th JulyCanberra. The material will be some exciting stuff that you guys haven't seen yet, and can't wait to show you some of the goodness we've been cooking up here in Redmond. Does this sit well with all? -- Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft Corp.http://www.microsoft.com/ | Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog | Office: +1 (425) 5382410 X82410 Twitter: twitter.com/mossybloghttp://twitter.com/mossyblog | MSN: spidaw...@hotmail.commailto:spidaw...@hotmail.com P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists -- Paula Poundstonehttp://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/paula_poundstone.html - I don't have a bank account because I don't know my mother's maiden name. Support procedure: https://www.codify.com
FW: URGENT Help Needed: Promote Michael Jackson 'memorial' in silverlight, live in HD, IIS smooth streaming
FYI, worth getting the word out given how fast we scrambled to make this happen :) From: S. Somasegar Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: FW: URGENT Help Needed: Promote Michael Jackson 'memorial' in silverlight, live in HD, IIS smooth streaming Please help as appropriate to get the word out. Given how fast this has come together, we can use all the help to let people know about this. From: Brian Goldfarb Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 8:31 PM To: Bloggers at Microsoft Cc: Silverlight Biz Dev and Deployment; RIA All Team Subject: URGENT Help Needed: Promote Michael Jackson 'memorial' in silverlight, live in HD, IIS smooth streaming Importance: High Folks, I need your help promoting the LIVE, HD broadcast of the Michael Jackson memorial using IIS Smooth Streaming and Silverlight. Tomorrow, July 7th, 10AM PT, 1PM ET - We are broadcasting the Michael Jackson memorial, live in HD from the Staples Center in Los Angeles using IIS Smooth Streaming and Silverlight to the world. As you can imagine this has come together fast and we need to get the word out so please tweet, blog, facebook, friendfeed, dig, reddit, anywhere and anything you can do to get the word out starting NOW! http://inmusic.ca/news_and_features/Michael_Jackson is the link to the page where the embedded player experience and is the URL you should share and use. Please help us out! Thanks, Brian Brian Goldfarb Director, Developer Platforms and Tools p: 425-707-7529 [cid:image001.jpg@01C9FE78.B82FF0D0]http://www.microsoft.com/net/ [cid:image002.png@01C9FE78.B82FF0D0] http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists inline: image001.jpginline: image002.png
RE: Silverlight/Expression Aussie Tour Thoughts welcomed.
Thanks Mahesh! :) Note: some asked why the dates below, the answer is pure timing. I fly out out on the 30th back to Seattle with the family etc, so I have to cram the last week or so into getting around Australia ;) heheh. The upside is I'll get great frequent flyer points with Qantas. The downside is I'll officially hate planes by the time I arrive in Seattle. I'm looking forward to meeting folks on this list and seeing what's happening in the oz-silverlight wild. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Mahesh S. Krishnan Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:19 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight/Expression Aussie Tour Thoughts welcomed. Awesome, Scott. I've booked the room for the 23rd in Melbourne. Looking forward to it :) Cheers Mahesh Krishnan Readify | Senior Consultant Suite 408 LifeLabs Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 401 698 672 | E: mahesh.krish...@readify.netmailto:mahesh.krish...@readify.net | C: mahesh.krish...@readify.netsip:mahesh.krish...@readify.net | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ | B: blogesh.wordpress.comhttp://blogesh.wordpress.com/ From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes [scbar...@microsoft.com] Sent: Sunday, 28 June 2009 4:22 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Silverlight/Expression Aussie Tour Thoughts welcomed. Hey All, I'm coming home for a month and was thinking of doing an Aussie Tour of Silverlight/Expression 3 and answer any questions around our products futures etc. The below are the dates I'm thinking and was keen to get folks in each city to provide feedback around the said dates. * 08th JulyBrisbane * 22nd July Perth * 23rd JulyMelbourne. * 27th JulySydney * 28th JulyCanberra. The material will be some exciting stuff that you guys haven't seen yet, and can't wait to show you some of the goodness we've been cooking up here in Redmond. Does this sit well with all? -- Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft Corp.http://www.microsoft.com/ | Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog | Office: +1 (425) 5382410 X82410 Twitter: twitter.com/mossybloghttp://twitter.com/mossyblog | MSN: spidaw...@hotmail.commailto:spidaw...@hotmail.com P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Long weekend or Too busy
I'm annoyed I couldn't make it back home in time... I tried to convince the powers be here to send me home a 3weeks early for this event, but *sigh*... I think this could be the best of the REMIX's ..as I think Shanemo Kordsey are well seasoned by now ;) (there ya go Shane, pressure now applied..) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:27 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Long weekend or Too busy Absolutely maxxed out preparing for my Remix stuff too. (Not sure I should reveal that - does that make you think it's gonna be ace or crap?) No long weekend for me :(... Helping out with the Silverlight components for a Surface thing. (yes I am coding - be VERY afraid) See (some of) you on Thursday Shane From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of jason schluter Sent: Sunday, 7 June 2009 5:59 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Long weekend or Too busy Well, either were too busy getting ready for ReMix or The Long weekend is really being enjoyed right now. None the less, countdown is on. Jason Schluter Blender3DLive P.S. Would have been a very interesting day if it were held on July 10! Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10
I don't understand why people are comparing the two? Google Wave = Protocol, client is just the default skin if you will. Developers will always game companies like Microsoft, Google, Apple etc if the said solution is popular. Providing a shared protocol for all to tap into is a platform play :) Silverlight could be part of that client story? So it's no different to Google releasing GMAPS tomorrow? Seems a bit weird to compare the two - or did I miss the ball completely on this one? :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Tim Heuer Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 5:30 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 Ha! I hope people actually read my post deeper...because that's what I'm saying specifically. Google Wave instantly drew comparisons from an article based on karma - which based on drawing comparisons to Silverlight and Wave. I thought that was incorrect myself. Now if people want to debate HTML5 vs. RIA platforms... Cheers, -th Tim Heuer | (602) 405-4567 | im: t...@timheuer.commailto:t...@timheuer.com blog: http://timheuer.com/blog/ | twitter: @timheuerhttp://twitter.com/timheuer From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Steven Berry Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 4:08 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 Either way its great for Scott to keep us on edge On a side note Google I/Ohttp://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2009/05/30/google-wave-forces-out-silverlight-flash-ria-platforms.aspx Silverlight/Flash killer? Now come on that'll never be the case .. From: Perry Stathopoulos [mailto:psta...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2009 9:09 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 Well that sucks as a comment...unless the smiley is meant as a wink to mean that it's true but you can't say. From: Scott Barnesmailto:scbar...@microsoft.com Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 1:19 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 No comment :) -- Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft Corp.http://www.microsoft.com/ | Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog | Office: +1 (425) 5382410 X82410 Twitter: twitter.com/mossybloghttp://twitter.com/mossyblog | MSN: spidaw...@hotmail.commailto:spidaw...@hotmail.com P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Perry Stathopoulos Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 9:07 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Silverlight 3 to be released July 10 Ars Technica is reporting that SL3 and Expression Studio 3 are launching July 10. If that is true that great news! http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/05/silverlight-3-and-expression-studio-3-launching-july-10.ars Why isn't there more buzz about this? From what I have seen none of the regular Silverlight bloggers are talking about this. I would think this is a big deal?!? http://silverlight.net/blogs/silverlight/ Can we get some kind of confirmation or denial? Anyone know anything about this? Perry Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists This message contains confidential information and is intended only
RE: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra
Shane: How can we bribe you to film it :) ... as I'll make you star sir.. :) heheheh..seriously this would be an awesome thing to film / and attend. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:55 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra Actually when I re-read this I wasn't clear. This is an opportunity to TEACH some training, not take it... Sorry, Shane From: Shane Morris Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 6:09 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra Hi all, I have an opportunity to do some training in Expression/Silverlight/possibly WPF with a designer bent in Canberra if anyone's interested... Shane Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra
Ahh ok... I think we need to clone you Shane, so I'll ask the SL team to put that feature in SL4 as top priority.. :) hehe From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 4:17 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra Hi Scott, I would LOVE to teach this course, but unfortunately my job gets in the way. I'm posting on behalf of a customer who is looking for a trainer. Therefore it's not clear that we could film it. Shane From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:14 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra Shane: How can we bribe you to film it :) ... as I'll make you star sir.. :) heheheh..seriously this would be an awesome thing to film / and attend. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 3:55 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra Actually when I re-read this I wasn't clear. This is an opportunity to TEACH some training, not take it... Sorry, Shane From: Shane Morris Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 6:09 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Designer Silverlight/Expression training opportunity in Canberra Hi all, I have an opportunity to do some training in Expression/Silverlight/possibly WPF with a designer bent in Canberra if anyone's interested... Shane Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: First Virtaul SDDN Meeting
Doh I thought I was tonight as for some reason in my head it was 9pm my time.. I'll definitely sync in at the next one! :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 7:15 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: First Virtaul SDDN Meeting Everyone, Thanks to all of you who attend the first Virtual SDDN. I think we had some interesting discussions. Some of them we can definitely continue on this mail list or in the next Virtual SDDN. Unfortunately I didn't record this meeting (I'll make sure to do it next time), but I'll include a list of resources from the talk, but first of all I'd like to ask a couple of questions. 1. What do you thing about the format? a) I hate open spaces, bring me some speakers with Powerpoints. b) It's good once in a while, but we should try a different format next time (probably alternate) c) I love it. Altough presentations are good, discussions add a lot of value. d) ??? 2. How often would you like to have this type of events? a) Once a month. b) Fortnightly c) Eventually d) ??? During the talk we discussed about Patterns, we only had a chance to talk about MVVM and Tom told us he have been using Prism with MVP and Unity. These are some links Prismhttp://compositewpf.codeplex.com/ MVVM by Nikhilhttp://www.nikhilk.net/Silverlight-ViewModel-Pattern.aspx MVVM by Jonashttp://jonas.follesoe.no/YouCardRevisitedImplementingTheViewModelPattern.aspx We also talked a bit about Memory Leaks. Delay on Memory Leaks in SLhttp://blogs.msdn.com/delay/archive/2009/03/11/where-s-your-leak-at-using-windbg-sos-and-gcroot-to-diagnose-a-net-memory-leak.aspx I mentioned that we could use WinDbghttp://www.google.com.au/url?sa=tsource=webct=rescd=1url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fwhdc%2Fdevtools%2Fdebugging%2Finstallx86.Mspxei=p2oRSoDwBYrKM5K92FIusg=AFQjCNHf3h9385pKvQHMJRRGwiEwm4pl1Asig2=tcJmKfnydI_ZtTeU61vDIA or SilverlightSpyhttp://silverlightspy.com/silverlightspy/download-silverlight-spy/ to detect Memory Leaks. When it comes to WinDbg, Tess knows it all and she blogged about how to setup WinDbg for Silverlighthttp://blogs.msdn.com/tess/archive/2008/08/21/debugging-silverlight-applications-with-windbg-and-sos-dll.aspx Andy and Stephen told us about the cool apps that they've written in Silverlight, but we don't have a lot of resources to show atm. At the end we talked a about Behaviours in Silverlight 3. Shawn Wildermouth has a series on this topichttp://wildermuth.com/2009/05/16/Writing_Behaviors_for_Silverlight_3_-_Part_1 We added a bonus topic on User Controls and we talked about the TreeView in the Silverlight Toolkit. We also mentioned the need to navigate the VisualTree to get to different Elements when needed. In this blog posthttp://miguelmadero.blogspot.com/2008/07/use-visualtreehelper-to-navigate_18.html I talked about how to use the VisualTreeHelper to do that and some extensions to do it easily (the code is avaailable for download). I've an updated version of this that supports more escenarios, like using expressions and LINQ to query for UIElements, contact me if you're interested. I hope everyone enjoyed and got something out of this. I'd love to have your feedback and see you again in another virtual or UG meeting. Thanks On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: This is the link for the eventhttps://www323.livemeeting.com/lrs/8000181573/Registration.aspx?pageName=gprcrzd1lgf2dhh4, please register before the meeting and be sure you have Live Meeting installed on your computer and your audio properly configured. Some people have asked me about the place and how is this a Virtual Event. We'll be using this tool called Live Meeting that allow us to interact with audio, video and share the desktop, polls, QA, etc, but rather than trying to explain what Live Meeting is, you can just try it tonight. Just registerhttps://www323.livemeeting.com/lrs/8000181573/Registration.aspx?pageName=gprcrzd1lgf2dhh4 and follow the instructions. If you have any doubts, please contact me. On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Miguel Madero m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com wrote: Everything has been really quite lately, so it's time to SPAM the list again, We're going to do a Virtual Meeting next monday at 9:00 pm Sydney Time, I think it ca be a great opportunity for everyone to participate. Instead of the typical presentation, we decided to have an open discussion around different topics. You can read all the details on my blog http://miguelmadero.blogspot.com/2009/05/first-virtual-silverlight-designer-and.html We will be using Live Meeting. I'll email the link for the meeting ASAP. I hope to see you (hear you or at least read you) on monday. -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.comhttp://www.miguelmadero.com (blog)
Cannon PI - Watch TheGu break out in his Judo outfit.
Hey Folks, We just put this out there in the wild -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCApcSq1ke0 The Silverlight version can be found here: iframe src=http://silverlight.services.live.com/invoke/31260/CannonMontage/iframe.html; scrolling=no frameborder=0 width=640 height=360/iframe What are ya thoughts? :) -- Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft Corp.http://www.microsoft.com/ | Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog | Office: +1 (425) 5382410 X82410 Twitter: twitter.com/mossybloghttp://twitter.com/mossyblog | MSN: spidaw...@hotmail.commailto:spidaw...@hotmail.com P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Memory leaks and garbage collection
I know..me thinks emails sending crossed wires over the interweb :) .ie, I get a lot of pushback for being MSFT on Adobe mailing lists (meh to ignorance) so that being said, I wanted to echo your positivity Asheesh by making a point of highlighting spaulds is a pretty cool bloke and Adobe is more than welcome here is more my echo here.. Nothing to see now, move along now.. :) From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Asheesh Soni Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:42 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Memory leaks and garbage collection Don't take it the wrong way... as I said, I was just kidding... And I never said people from Adobe are bad :) To be honest, we use Adobe CS3 (not CS4 yet), and we love it... as much (or may be a bit less) as we love Silverlight / Expression. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: :) Andrew's a good guy, and I often frequent the FlexCoders lists as at times its good to stamp out misquotes etc around each other's brands. From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Asheesh Soni Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:55 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Memory leaks and garbage collection Wait a minute... I thought this was the Oz Silverlight group :) Nah... just kidding... Its good to see guys from Adobe here. 2009/4/30 Andrew Spaulding spau...@gmail.commailto:spau...@gmail.com Hi Sam, I too would like to learn about your problems with Garbage Collection in Flex. Feel free to contact me on aspau...@adobe.commailto:aspau...@adobe.com. I'm very interested to learn about Flex projects in Australia and to make sure you have a successful implementation. Regards, Andrew Andrew Spaulding Systems Engineer Adobe Systems aspau...@adobe.commailto:aspau...@adobe.com +61-2-9778-4133 On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: The key thing with any UI platform is that if you create a hierarchy of links, and you want to prune the head, you need to ensure the children get told a head of time that you're about to lop the head off. As it can leave markers open. In time the Garbage collection should figure it out that it's a dead marker, but none the less it pays to keep track of event subscription/notification channels along with bindings (which in a sense are part of the event traffic). This goes for Flash, Silverlight, WPF, JavaScript etc. Sam: I suspect the problem you were having inside Flex was one I used to have many years ago, it could be a mixture of either EventDispatcher having close bindings or it could simply be a case of the Garbage Collection not behaving the way it should. I know in the past this has been somewhat of an issue with Flash and they've spent a lot of time in the last couple of revisions of Flash to try and resolve this but I've not seen proof that it's been resolved. If any of you have issues with Garbage Collection please please please let me know. I want to ensure that we don't repeat the mistakes Flash has had and cut that off at the pass. So send me your pain now! :) - -- Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft Corp. | Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog | Office: +1 (425) 5382410 X82410 Twitter: twitter.com/mossybloghttp://twitter.com/mossyblog | MSN: spidaw...@hotmail.commailto:spidaw...@hotmail.com Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail * -Original Message- From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:05 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Memory leaks and garbage collection Sam, I'm building a GIS system with the new Virtual Earth Silverlight control and had a memory leak issue. The good news is I fixed it and it didn't take that long. I used Silverlight Spy to detect the leak and to confirm I had fixed it: http://silverlightspy.com/silverlightspy/download-silverlight-spy/ It turns out I was removing a child element that in turn had child elements that had both events and looping animations. The solution was to implement IDisposable and to stop the animations and detach the events on those objects. So bad news is that Silverlight doesn't magically solve memory leaks, good news is there are good tools to detect them and solutions to fix them. For those interested the scenario was deleting a MapLayer from the Map, the MapLayer contained hundreds of Custom Pushpins with animations, scale transformations
RE: Memory leaks and garbage collection
Btw you can see some of our Microsoft Adobe working together here ;) http://vimeo.com/4402200 C`mon Andrew, you gotta bring your A-game next time hehehehe From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 7:45 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Memory leaks and garbage collection I know..me thinks emails sending crossed wires over the interweb :) .ie, I get a lot of pushback for being MSFT on Adobe mailing lists (meh to ignorance) so that being said, I wanted to echo your positivity Asheesh by making a point of highlighting spaulds is a pretty cool bloke and Adobe is more than welcome here is more my echo here.. Nothing to see now, move along now.. :) From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Asheesh Soni Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 4:42 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Memory leaks and garbage collection Don't take it the wrong way... as I said, I was just kidding... And I never said people from Adobe are bad :) To be honest, we use Adobe CS3 (not CS4 yet), and we love it... as much (or may be a bit less) as we love Silverlight / Expression. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: :) Andrew's a good guy, and I often frequent the FlexCoders lists as at times its good to stamp out misquotes etc around each other's brands. From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Asheesh Soni Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:55 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Memory leaks and garbage collection Wait a minute... I thought this was the Oz Silverlight group :) Nah... just kidding... Its good to see guys from Adobe here. 2009/4/30 Andrew Spaulding spau...@gmail.commailto:spau...@gmail.com Hi Sam, I too would like to learn about your problems with Garbage Collection in Flex. Feel free to contact me on aspau...@adobe.commailto:aspau...@adobe.com. I'm very interested to learn about Flex projects in Australia and to make sure you have a successful implementation. Regards, Andrew Andrew Spaulding Systems Engineer Adobe Systems aspau...@adobe.commailto:aspau...@adobe.com +61-2-9778-4133 On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: The key thing with any UI platform is that if you create a hierarchy of links, and you want to prune the head, you need to ensure the children get told a head of time that you're about to lop the head off. As it can leave markers open. In time the Garbage collection should figure it out that it's a dead marker, but none the less it pays to keep track of event subscription/notification channels along with bindings (which in a sense are part of the event traffic). This goes for Flash, Silverlight, WPF, JavaScript etc. Sam: I suspect the problem you were having inside Flex was one I used to have many years ago, it could be a mixture of either EventDispatcher having close bindings or it could simply be a case of the Garbage Collection not behaving the way it should. I know in the past this has been somewhat of an issue with Flash and they've spent a lot of time in the last couple of revisions of Flash to try and resolve this but I've not seen proof that it's been resolved. If any of you have issues with Garbage Collection please please please let me know. I want to ensure that we don't repeat the mistakes Flash has had and cut that off at the pass. So send me your pain now! :) - -- Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft Corp. | Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog | Office: +1 (425) 5382410 X82410 Twitter: twitter.com/mossybloghttp://twitter.com/mossyblog | MSN: spidaw...@hotmail.commailto:spidaw...@hotmail.com Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail * -Original Message- From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:05 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Memory leaks and garbage collection Sam, I'm building a GIS system with the new Virtual Earth Silverlight control and had a memory leak issue. The good news is I fixed it and it didn't take that long. I used Silverlight Spy to detect the leak and to confirm I had fixed it: http://silverlightspy.com/silverlightspy/download-silverlight-spy/ It turns out I was removing a child element that in turn had child elements that had both events and looping animations. The solution was to implement
RE: Memory leaks and garbage collection
The key thing with any UI platform is that if you create a hierarchy of links, and you want to prune the head, you need to ensure the children get told a head of time that you're about to lop the head off. As it can leave markers open. In time the Garbage collection should figure it out that it's a dead marker, but none the less it pays to keep track of event subscription/notification channels along with bindings (which in a sense are part of the event traffic). This goes for Flash, Silverlight, WPF, JavaScript etc. Sam: I suspect the problem you were having inside Flex was one I used to have many years ago, it could be a mixture of either EventDispatcher having close bindings or it could simply be a case of the Garbage Collection not behaving the way it should. I know in the past this has been somewhat of an issue with Flash and they've spent a lot of time in the last couple of revisions of Flash to try and resolve this but I've not seen proof that it's been resolved. If any of you have issues with Garbage Collection please please please let me know. I want to ensure that we don't repeat the mistakes Flash has had and cut that off at the pass. So send me your pain now! :) - -- Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft Corp. | Blog: http://blogs.msdn.com/msmossyblog | Office: +1 (425) 5382410 X82410 Twitter: twitter.com/mossyblog | MSN: spidaw...@hotmail.com Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail -Original Message- From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:05 PM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Memory leaks and garbage collection Sam, I'm building a GIS system with the new Virtual Earth Silverlight control and had a memory leak issue. The good news is I fixed it and it didn't take that long. I used Silverlight Spy to detect the leak and to confirm I had fixed it: http://silverlightspy.com/silverlightspy/download-silverlight-spy/ It turns out I was removing a child element that in turn had child elements that had both events and looping animations. The solution was to implement IDisposable and to stop the animations and detach the events on those objects. So bad news is that Silverlight doesn't magically solve memory leaks, good news is there are good tools to detect them and solutions to fix them. For those interested the scenario was deleting a MapLayer from the Map, the MapLayer contained hundreds of Custom Pushpins with animations, scale transformations hooked to the Map's onchangeViewFrame event and onclick event. It was easy enough to setup a layer to be added and removed every 5 sec in a manual unit test and check using Silverlight Spy. Love to know if people have found a way to automate this sort of test. John. -Original Message- From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lai Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2009 11:49 AM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Memory leaks and garbage collection Hi everyone, I've been working on a Flex app for a while now, and one of the most annoying things about it are memory leaks due to objects not being garbage collected. I'm not doing anything tricky, but I suspect it has something to do with bindings. The Flex Profiler doesn't always give enough information to exactly pinpoint it either. So as I'm about to start another project along similar lines, I'm wondering if people are experiencing similar issues in Silverlight, and how easy they were to resolve and avoid. Thanks, Sam -- Sent from my mobile device Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: OzSilverlightFeed
Although I'm an living in the US, I'm still an aussie and monitor the aussie movements very closely (gotta come back someday so pays to know the lay of the land). http://feeds.feedburner.com/MsMossyblog From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 5:51 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: OzSilverlightFeed Everyone, I've put together a feed to aggregate blogs of people from Australian writing about Silverlight. The idea is to have a complimentary tool for the Australian Silverlight community to know each other, learn a bit about what everybody is doing apart from using the mailing list or attending SDDN events. This is the feed: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/OzsilverlightFeedhttps://mail.readify.net/redir.aspx?C=6569594baed0440c8d0f50989b1917ddURL=http%3a%2f%2ffeeds2.feedburner.com%2fOzsilverlightFeed At the moment I have few blogs in the feed. I'd like the community to help me maintain this list suggesting new blogs to add. These are the current blogs: http://blog.webjak.net/feed/ http://miguelmadero.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default http://feeds2.feedburner.com/SilverzineRss http://silverzine.com/resources/feed/ http://feeds2.feedburner.com/ChrisA http://feeds2.feedburner.com/shanemo http://delicategeniusblog.com/?feed=rss2 http://feeds.feedburner.com/follesoe?format=xml http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/rss/josefajardo In order to make the feed relevant and focused for the subscribers, I'd like to keep it limited to Silverligh bloggers from Australia. I'd like to know your feedback on this feed. Which blogs would you like me to add? What should be the criteria to add/remove blogs, etc. Thanks -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.comhttp://www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: SilverZine - Silverlight designer resource
Interesting article. The thing about these articles is they are often great at pointing out the obvious about bad UX and so on, but really leave you still fumbling around in the dark as to how to execute on all the lessons / learning's end to end. I often speak with folks here on campus (Microsoft) about all things UX and one of the roll of the eyes moments I often see is how focus group a found 1 in 5 housewives preferred xyz functionality in the app over the other (basic variant testing etc)..so tick, job well done. Yet often folks can become distracted in their daily lives from their workflow and at times this becomes the pain point, in that what was I doing again, damn it, how do I get back to where I was again..which at times focus groups don't pickup.. it's a small example of how the best intentions in theory, often don't measure up to actual behavior. Thus actual metrics associated to your UX is required, assume your first shipment of an experience fails, and spend the time post delivery proving you didn't fail.. suddenly your feedback on right/wrong UX can shift dramatically... unless you have someone on staff whom is a dedicated UX research of course :) Another point is that bad design is costly, as I've read research where a direct correlation between bad UX and sick days exists. The footnotes stated that given a employee was forced to repeatedly use a badly designed software they in turn were less productive and were more likely to take a sick day. That being said, to compare across a breadth of users would require a lot of A/B testing with multiple variants to isolate this theory (I think anyway). Anyway I think this article taps into four basic principles of psychology. * Users see what they expect to see * Users have difficulty focusing on more than one task / activity. * It is easier to perceive a structured layout. * It is easier to recognize than recall. The last point is often something I batter our folks here at, whereas at times we often as a company will describe a square to you picture a shape that has a top line, left line, bottom line and right line. Now picture that shape filled blue..what did I just describe? ...by the time you've read this you're either bored or scratching your head as to what the point is.. whereas just show me a bloody square visually and move onto the other parts! :) (i.e. diagrams normally reduce cognitive load) Alex.. sorry you're Jordan's brother.. we have you in our thoughts. p.s Kidding Jordan - You know I have much MS Luv for ya Jordan :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Asheesh Soni Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:32 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: SilverZine - Silverlight designer resource Good one Alex! And for those who dismiss the role of beauty and aesthetics in website design: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/indefenseofeyecandy However, I'd like to point out one small issue with animations running in an infinite loop... Although animations (like the continuously running logo anim on your page) do bring a website to life, they also continuously eat cpu cycles. If I open your website in firefox and unblock silverlight content (using noscript plugin), the cpu usage jumps by 10-15% and remains high even when I am not interacting with the page. This is especially bad for people like me who open a lot of tabs and then realise that firefox is eating 70% of the cpu cycles even when its minimized. I've found Silverlight to be better behaved than Flash in this respect. I usually get around the cpu issue by blocking all flash content using NoScript plugin and then only unblocking what I need. Just my 5 cents. Cheers - Soni On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Alex Knight alex.kni...@objectify.com.aumailto:alex.kni...@objectify.com.au wrote: Hi Everyone, The other day I launched a new site dedicated to designers (and developers looking for tips) working with Silverlight. http://www.silverzine.com Would love to get some feedback and I'm always on the lookout if anyone would be interested in contributing, so if you have any ideas, shoot me an email either through the site or on here. Cheers Alex AGKDesign.net Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
RE: Blend 3
There is a no go live license with SL3. The go-live license will arrive when we officially release SL3, which will happen... well..I can't say yet :) Sorry! :( p.s The reason for a no go live license during beta's is because it was a logistically nightmare last time, and I still wake up in cold sweats thinking about it :) - Scott/Microsoft. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 11:25 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 anyone read anything about when/if there will be a Go Live license for this SL3? -- net noobie(tm) = What is the 'Clean Feed'? No!!! Forced Australian Federal Government Internet Censorship http://nocleanfeed.com/ Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Blend 3
It's really due to the fact once you provide the green light to the go live folks in turn treat it as an RTM, even though the words BETA are staring you in the face. This then results in us being beaten up the moment we bring out the dreaded breaking changes as at times before we go RTM, we'll need to patch areas of the beta that need patching (thus the role of beta in software). This in has turned what we perceived as being a positive into a negative, as well, I went live!!! is the usual response (not to mention the impact you place on the end user whom installs the plug-in). The problem however is in order to not only go-live on a said date, you then have to notify the current customers/partners/developers whom do have the go-live, provide them time to patch their said solutions and all the while not giving the competition or press a heads-up on when you expect to go live. As once you give away that piece of information, you effectively ruin most of your chances to broadcast to those whom have been waiting for the RTM that we've in fact gone RTM. The press then will talk about it more, but at the same time will call the competition to get their counter quotes on why the said release is bad (of course it's bad, as it's competing with them right?). In having an element of surprise, you deflate the competitors chances of responding with prescribed negativity (which I think is redundant and reminds me of the shadow opposition in parliament) whilst at the same time increase the chances of making an impact, thus in turn all folks whom have adopted also get maximized marketing potential as then it's less of a what is Silverlight? question being asked with your peers, customers and partners. We managed to do all the above perfectly last time in terms of partner readiness, great PR and marketing buzz and also didn't break everyone's releases overnight - and catching our competitors by surprise. (w00t!!!). This time, we want to be smarter and surprise you all a bit more :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:38 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 Why was it a nightmare last time? Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
The Silverlight Team are now on twitter.
If all would point their browsers to http://www.twitter.com/teamsilverlight You will find that this account is now being run by many in the teams. I sent out the account details to an internal DL of members in the team, so at any given point it will be man handled by various people throughout the year. It's a good entry point to sending us feedback for one or to simply high-five/abuse should you feel the need to. Tweet like it's your last as we say :) Scott. Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Blend 3
You can file bugs here if you like - http://silverlight.net/forums/28.aspx That or forward them to me as well. If you've got questions or feedback etc, send them to me as well. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Chris Anderson Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:11 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 Hi Scott What's the best way to let you know of bugs and request features - emailing them here / to you or via Microsoft Connect? I have a list of 9 bugs/questions/feature requests so far from my play over the weekend. I've been writing an article series on the SilverlightShow website since Beta 2 of Silverlight 2 on building business applications in Silverlight and while this changes everything (I'm very impressed) there are still a couple of holes left to fill (still no SelectedValue property on ComboBox is a big one). Thanks Chris Anderson 2009/3/23 Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com Glad you like the RIA Services. Brad A's team has worked very hard on making them happen. It was very cool catching up with you guys at MIX - even if you both kept me out late beyond my sleep curfew. Remember to keep the input coming my way, and treat Microsoft like your doctor - don't hide your pain, otherwise we'll misdiagnose it. Now to ship :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 7:20 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Blend 3 Hear hear :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Philip Beadle Sent: Monday, 23 March 2009 9:54 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Blend 3 Im loving RIA Services so far. MIX is my fave conference of all, I feel like ive been hit by a truck now but it was worth it. Big thanx to Shanemo, Kordsy and Scotty, had a blast :) Regards, Philip Beadle Readify | Principal Consultant Microsoft MVP - ASP/ASP.NEThttp://asp.net/ Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia M: +61 417 301 024 | E: philip.bea...@readify.netmailto:philip.bea...@readify.net | C: philip.bea...@readify.net | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ The content of this e-mail, including any attachments is a confidential communication between Readify Pty Ltd and the intended addressee and is for the sole use of that intended addressee. If you are not the intended addressee, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of this material is unauthorized and prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please contact the sender immediately and then delete the message and any attachment(s). P Please consider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero [...@miguelmadero.commailto:m...@miguelmadero.com] Sent: Monday, 23 March 2009 9:48 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 Thanks for the tip, however I'd like to test the new SL toolkit for SL3 and RIA Services and the only way, specially for the latter, is to install the SL tools for VS. Unfortunately I had to do it on a separate machine. Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.23/2016 - Release Date: 03/22/09 17:51:00 Support procedure: https
RE: Blend 3
There will be no breaking changes between SL2 and SL3. If it works in SL2, it will work in SL3. I've not seen a single piece of evidence that will contradict this, but the moment I do, I'll first let my head implode...followed by lots of yelling and later I'll plead and beg for all of your mercy and ask for copious amounts of forgiveness from all on this list. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:50 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 I'm a bit sad that I need another machine to play with Silverlight 3 so that I can continue to develop on my Silverlight 2 projects. I'm wondering how many breaking changes where will be from Silverlight 2 to 3. If there's a massive amount of work needed then it may mean having to leave the project as a Silverlight 2 project. I'm hoping that the upgrade from 2 to 3 will be similar experience to going from beta 2 to RTW. Is that something you can tell us Scott? I understand there's no release date info at this stage (and I'm NOT asking. ;) but I am interested in the upgrade experience. (I'll try this out with my current project once I've got a machine I can run it on) Is it intended that all applications should be upgraded? Will Silverlight 3 client run Silverlight 2 applications? Or is it the same as with the beta to RTW where the app must be upgraded to the latest? thanks, love the new feature list. Great work! cheers, Stephen On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: Shanemo always has huge impact with the teams.. he should be worshiped...wrshipped :) We wanted to make Blend / Silverlight side-by-side installable but sadly you can't do this also in VS2008 as it is today. Do any of you find value in having products side by side installable? Is this something you would consider necessary or just simply geeky cool at this point? Sketchflow is worth the wait :) and I've heard some amazing ideas on how folks intend on using it (movie storyboarding, website storyboarding, RIA storyboarding, replacement for PowerPoint presos etc)..the list just goes on.. Rest assure it won't be a drawn out release like other products in the market today. I'm always open to random yelling if you feel the frustration of waiting is getting to you, better you focus your negative energy towards my inbox than your co-workers ;) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Shane Morris Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 4:59 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Blend 3 Yes, you can install Blend 2 and Blend 3 side-by-side. Yeah, I was as disappointed as you guys we can't release Sketchflow yet. I was lucky enough to be consulted on the product design and I am VERY excited - I just want to get it into your hands! Sorry Shane From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Perry Stathopoulos Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2009 3:29 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 I installed Blend 3 and you can have it side-by-side with Blend 2. I uninstalled it however, because I wanted to try out the SketchFlow which is not included in the preview of Blend 3 yet [cid:image001.gif@01C9AB0F.A1CA2B10] . From: Gilbert Corralesmailto:gcorra...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:36 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 I don't know though if I you can have Blend 3 running side by side with Blend 2... from the early versions that I tried of Blend 3 no... but who knows maybe things have changed a bit since. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Thanks for that. Shame that, guess I'll have to set it up on another machine. Didn't we go through this pain when they introduced .net 2.0. Wasn't sorted out until you could target a framework. *sigh* On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Gilbert Corrales gcorra...@gmail.commailto:gcorra...@gmail.com wrote: in the release notes says that if u open a SL2 project with Blend 3 it will automatically upgrade the project to SL3 and this cannot be undone, so if u want to keep editing SL2 project u will have to do so using Blend 2. I installed and there are only 2 options to projects SL3 or WPF. Cheers, G. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.commailto:step...@littlevoices.com wrote: Has anyone installed Blend 3 yet and tried to edit a Silverlight 2.0 project? I'm wondering if installing Blend
RE: Blend 3
Coming Soon. Any rumor date published will result in me pushing the date back by a random number generated, so that all will know the person whom published the said date did so resulting in pain for others... For ye warned.. hehehe :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:55 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 anyone heard any rumors when SL 3 will be released? On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Jonas Follesø jo...@follesoe.nomailto:jo...@follesoe.no wrote: They already exist - three nicely looking hand drawn themes for prototyping. http://www.nikhilk.net/Silverlight-Themes.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/corrinab/archive/2008/03/24/a-new-control-skin-set.aspx - Jonas On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Gilbert Corrales gcorra...@gmail.commailto:gcorra...@gmail.com wrote: yeah, not shipping SketchFlow after last night's demo was a bummer, it was just like Adobe when they showed FC for the first time... but of well I guess at least maybe someone could come up with a theme for the wireframe like controls... then maybe we could have a reason to do interactive prototypes with code ;-) On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Perry Stathopoulos psta...@gmail.commailto:psta...@gmail.com wrote: I installed Blend 3 and you can have it side-by-side with Blend 2. I uninstalled it however, because I wanted to try out the SketchFlow which is not included in the preview of Blend 3 yet [cid:image001.gif@01C9AA16.39F50090] . From: Gilbert Corralesmailto:gcorra...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:36 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 I don't know though if I you can have Blend 3 running side by side with Blend 2... from the early versions that I tried of Blend 3 no... but who knows maybe things have changed a bit since. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Thanks for that. Shame that, guess I'll have to set it up on another machine. Didn't we go through this pain when they introduced .net 2.0. Wasn't sorted out until you could target a framework. *sigh* On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Gilbert Corrales gcorra...@gmail.commailto:gcorra...@gmail.com wrote: in the release notes says that if u open a SL2 project with Blend 3 it will automatically upgrade the project to SL3 and this cannot be undone, so if u want to keep editing SL2 project u will have to do so using Blend 2. I installed and there are only 2 options to projects SL3 or WPF. Cheers, G. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.commailto:step...@littlevoices.com wrote: Has anyone installed Blend 3 yet and tried to edit a Silverlight 2.0 project? I'm wondering if installing Blend 3 would allow me to continue developing on a Silverlight 2.0 project or if its an all or nothing thing going to Silverlight 3.0. From what I've read you can't have both with regards to the SDK and tools for VS but not sure on Blend. thx, Stephen Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe:
RE: Blend 3
Same.. Try staring at the below for a few months and not being able to tell a soul outside the 4 walls of MS campus... I'm glad all are liking the new bits. I've also put up http://team.silverlight.net blog, which is basically going to be a great way to have a two-way conversation with the SL / Expression Teams. More to come on the blog. Ideas for the blog are also welcomed. Scott. From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:37 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 well, I have been playing with the Blend 3 Preview + Silverlight 3 Beta I have only upgraded some projects and checked out a few new features Intellisence in Blend is very cool + the ability to edit cs / .vb files, the ability to collapse regions would really make it :) Merged Resource Dictionaries very cool stuff, this single file Generic.xaml used to kill me Blend 3 Preview seems to be a big improvement from Blend 2 sp1 and the speed of Blend 3 preview is really nice, a lot quicker then Blend 2 sp1 I still have a heap of the new controls features etc. to play with, read about them, just not played with them yet... but so far it's looking really nice :) I personally can't wait for Blend 3/Silverlight 3 :) On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 4:14 AM, Scott Barnes scbar...@microsoft.commailto:scbar...@microsoft.com wrote: Coming Soon. Any rumor date published will result in me pushing the date back by a random number generated, so that all will know the person whom published the said date did so resulting in pain for others... For ye warned.. hehehe :) From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of .net noobie Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:55 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 anyone heard any rumors when SL 3 will be released? On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 1:40 AM, Jonas Follesø jo...@follesoe.nomailto:jo...@follesoe.no wrote: They already exist - three nicely looking hand drawn themes for prototyping. http://www.nikhilk.net/Silverlight-Themes.aspx http://blogs.msdn.com/corrinab/archive/2008/03/24/a-new-control-skin-set.aspx - Jonas On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Gilbert Corrales gcorra...@gmail.commailto:gcorra...@gmail.com wrote: yeah, not shipping SketchFlow after last night's demo was a bummer, it was just like Adobe when they showed FC for the first time... but of well I guess at least maybe someone could come up with a theme for the wireframe like controls... then maybe we could have a reason to do interactive prototypes with code ;-) On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Perry Stathopoulos psta...@gmail.commailto:psta...@gmail.com wrote: I installed Blend 3 and you can have it side-by-side with Blend 2. I uninstalled it however, because I wanted to try out the SketchFlow which is not included in the preview of Blend 3 yet [cid:image001.gif@01C9AA48.80FD9740] . From: Gilbert Corralesmailto:gcorra...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 2:36 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Blend 3 I don't know though if I you can have Blend 3 running side by side with Blend 2... from the early versions that I tried of Blend 3 no... but who knows maybe things have changed a bit since. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Thanks for that. Shame that, guess I'll have to set it up on another machine. Didn't we go through this pain when they introduced .net 2.0. Wasn't sorted out until you could target a framework. *sigh* On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Gilbert Corrales gcorra...@gmail.commailto:gcorra...@gmail.com wrote: in the release notes says that if u open a SL2 project with Blend 3 it will automatically upgrade the project to SL3 and this cannot be undone, so if u want to keep editing SL2 project u will have to do so using Blend 2. I installed and there are only 2 options to projects SL3 or WPF. Cheers, G. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Price step...@littlevoices.commailto:step...@littlevoices.com wrote: Has anyone installed Blend 3 yet and tried to edit a Silverlight 2.0 project? I'm wondering if installing Blend 3 would allow me to continue developing on a Silverlight 2.0 project or if its an all or nothing thing going to Silverlight 3.0. From what I've read you can't have both with regards to the SDK and tools for VS but not sure on Blend. thx, Stephen Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.commailto:ozsilverlight-subscr
RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices
I want to tell you what I know and see, but can't as it's a little early to discuss so I'm sworn to the usual mums the word on this one. The moment we are allowed to provide a more detailed roadmap that answers some of the below questions I'll make sure this list gets a good healthy heads up. Until then, discuss away and feel free to wish-list this thread to death, as I am taking notes. - Scott Barnes Rich Platforms Product Manager Microsoft. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:27 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices It's actually XAML on mobile desktop that I'm more interested in... -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Ross McKinnon Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 10:23 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices If you can write SL apps in C#, you can write a WM6 app. It's a quite simple migration. The issue with symbian operating system is the native C++ which is so foreign to us in the modern business world. Having a powerful cross operating system platform that will work on all mobile operating system that fits in with the microsoft programming framework is something we should be heading for. -Original Message- From: Jordan Knight [mailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net] Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 9:16 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices Perhaps if there are two hosts through, one that runs on desktop as a full app and one that runs in browser... Would be so cool to write SL apps on WM desktop (means I could write a mobile app) -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Ross McKinnon Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 10:14 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices Jordan, Obviously it would be require some degree of protection and potentially open to malicous coders, but so are all applications that you can download onto your phone. It would require signing of the sites or something etc... It's the old battle between potential vs protection. Ross. -Original Message- From: Jordan Knight [mailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net] Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 9:06 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices Depends on if it runs hosted in the browser or some other SL host... I'd not want my IMEI being posted from a random web app or sidebar ad... -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Ross McKinnon Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 10:04 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices I am sure in the future of mobile devices, one platform that is derived off C# will be of great importance. I am curious though whether SL will have access to the hardware device will be available (ie imei number, device ID and other functions of the phone). Ross. -Original Message- From: Jordan Knight [mailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net] Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 8:57 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices Bragging rights?? :P -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Parker Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 9:55 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices Sorry. I accidentally hit the send button. I heard in a video (can't remember where) that the mobile team are keen to sync up with the desktop team with their releases of SL so maybe 3.0 will have both, though I'm not sure about the usefulness of HD video on a phone! On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Jonathan Parker jonathanparkerem...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Steven Berry steven.be...@stargategroup.com.au wrote: Hi Jonathan, With all of Mobile 6.5 information coming out and Mix with Silverlight 3 I've noticed Silverlight mobile taken a back seat at the moment. Fingers crossed we get to see this at Mix. Steve -Original Message- From: Jonathan Parker [mailto:jonathanparkerem...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, 2 March 2009 9:49 AM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Silverlight reach on Mobile devices Still in private beta: http://silverlight.net/learn/mobile.aspx However I wouldn't be surprised to see something at Mix about it. On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:39 AM, darren.nei...@live.com wrote: Hi all... I'm going to show my ignorance here (what's new ) but... what is the Silverlight 'reach' on mobile devices? Kind Regards, Darren Neimke - Microsoft MVP darren.nei...@live.com blog
Question: Anyone visited Microsoft.com/Silverlight?
Question: Has anyone here visited Microsoft.com/Silverlight and why? Curious to listen to some of your answers, please little-r me? Scott. Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: Express Expression (Blend)
A personal email from me thanking you for NOT being argumentative like Barry Beattie :) That being said, in the case of the scenario you presented - the $600 version applies. -Original Message- From: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:24 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: Express Expression (Blend) forgive me for paraphrasing that The $999 version is actually The Expression Professional Subscription - a copy of Expression Studio, - Visual Studio Standard, - Office Standard - Windows XP or Windows Vista Business - Virtual PC - and more That's actually more than what you'd pay for each individual items retail, so it's actually been reduce quite significantly in terms of budgets. and if you're part of an organisation that already has deals (and separate suppliers) for Windows operating systems (both desktop and server), Office and VS2005/2008 professional ... . what do you get for your US$999.00 then? Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists Support procedure: https://www.codify.com/lists/support List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
RE: SL in Offline World
We simply aren't experts in the ways of Linux for obvious reason. The moonlight team are more than competent to handle this charge, and if were to do it ourselves we'd probably spend most of our effort hiring the very people doing it now. Offline Support varies in Scope, what exactly do you need it to do? Isolated Storage + LINQ can handle a lot of the office synchronization requirements and then some? Scott. From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Miguel Madero [...@miguelmadero.com] Sent: Friday, 2 January 2009 12:39 AM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: SL in Offline World the origional poster, Muhammad Niaz, was inquiring about SL in Offline World. Will Moonlight help there? I don't see any difference, we deviate a bit when talking how AIR enables cross platform apps. I'm at a bit of loss why MS needs Novel instead of doing it themselves. something I obviously don't grok Probably this is an area that MS wasn't particularly interested in invest and the guys from Mono/Novell have been doing a great job. I don't think is MS needing Novel, rather MS supporting another project. Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) m...@miguelmadero.com +61 (0) 406-704-161 Please reconsider your environmental responsibility before printing this e-mail The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. -Original Message- From: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverli...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, 2 January 2009 1:10 AM To: OzSilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: SL in Offline World I *think* Shane is talking about Moonlight which is a joint project between Novell and MS: I'm at a bit of loss why MS needs Novel instead of doing it themselves. something I obviously don't grok @Scott, Miguel, Jonathan the origional poster, Muhammad Niaz, was inquiring about SL in Offline World. Will Moonlight help there? List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists List address: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subscribe: ozsilverlight-subscr...@ozsilverlight.com Unsubscribe: ozsilverlight-unsubscr...@ozsilverlight.com List FAQ: http://www.codify.com/lists/ozsilverlight Other lists you might want to join: http://www.codify.com/lists
