Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
How does apple's aac compare to mp3? - Original Message - From: Steve Matzura numb...@noisynotes.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? I had OPlayer on an Android tablet once and it was pretty darn neat. Didn't know it was available for iOS. Re VLC, it's a fine product, but its accessibility leaves more than a little to be desired, in my unhumble opinion. On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:46:07 +1100, you wrote: You're not mistaken and that's just one App of at least half a dozen I can think of, I haven't played around with VLC lately so must have a look and see what improvements or changes have been made. Another of my favourite players for IOS is something called oPlayer which is available in 2 versions, the free Light and the HD purchased version. Speaking of VLC, if you're a Windows user then you're in for a real treat with this player, I use it both on Mac and Windows. On 8 Oct 2014, at 8:36 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Vlc for Iphone supports flac if i'm not misstaken. Its also quite easy to use with voiceover. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why? then where does the learning start?
RE: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
I wish I could rebuild my audio collection to a lossless one. I ripped hundreds of CDs to high-bitrate variable MP3s and then gave most of the CDs away. I'm getting interested in 24-bit hi definition audio. Can anyone recommend accessible sites. Also I'm wondering if they would be copy-protected. I'm assuming they would. Trouble is my experience with copy protected files in the past suggests what you can do with the audio becomes very restricted John . -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Steve Matzura Sent: 20 December 2014 16:40 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? I had OPlayer on an Android tablet once and it was pretty darn neat. Didn't know it was available for iOS. Re VLC, it's a fine product, but its accessibility leaves more than a little to be desired, in my unhumble opinion. On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:46:07 +1100, you wrote: You're not mistaken and that's just one App of at least half a dozen I can think of, I haven't played around with VLC lately so must have a look and see what improvements or changes have been made. Another of my favourite players for IOS is something called oPlayer which is available in 2 versions, the free Light and the HD purchased version. Speaking of VLC, if you're a Windows user then you're in for a real treat with this player, I use it both on Mac and Windows. On 8 Oct 2014, at 8:36 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Vlc for Iphone supports flac if i'm not misstaken. Its also quite easy to use with voiceover. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
FLAC rules. As fast as I am able, I am rebuilding my music collection--some 150,000 tracks-- with FLAC and APE (Monkey's Audio--yes, that's its real name, also lossless) formatted audio files. Now if only iStuff could play these, then I wouldn't have to convert them to AAC or ALAC. On Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:44:31 -0400, you wrote: Hell yeah. Ah okay. I like Flac too, I've heard the ones you've uploaded and I love it. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:21 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? FLAC is used because its far smaller than Wave and lossless though FLAC is bigger than MP3 etc. The upshot of all this is that you get the full sound you'd get with FLAC as you would with Wave but in a smaller file size. The joke is that MP3 files - some I've seen - have been done using minimum compression and so on and you have to ask the question, why didn't these people create FLAC files instead? The resulting FLAC files wouldn't have been much bigger but would have been of better quality. On 4 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: No sir. I was just saying I didn't realize they did other formats too. Since all I keep hearing about is the WAV files. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Time To Purchase FLAC? No reason why you can't have HD music in different formats. On 4 Oct 2014, at 1:51 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, I thought HD tracks sold stuff in PCM. Blu-Ray PCM might I add. At epic awesome 96 KHZ 24 bit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Time To Purchase FLAC? Going through my stack of eMail, someone wanted to know how and where to purchase Music in FLAC audio format? I suggest they start here. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
See my comments re .AAC and .ALAC. Lots of non-iThings play these formats, too, so this may be the solution for which you are looking. On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 19:48:06 -0500, you wrote: Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apples media player, iTunes. With each passing year and no FLAC support, Apple incrementally loses its cool ratio. Some suggest streaming music, such as Pandora, TuneIn Radio, Slacker Radio, and iTunes Radio along with Apples Music Match, as alternatives to loading music files to the phone. Unfortunately, streaming music is not available on subways, planes and in big buildings as well in lightly populated areas with no cellular service. I want music on my device for the times when I want music, which includes the times with no data service. Currently, the MP3 format still represents the means to provide relatively high quality audio content for the widest range of devices, particularly mobile ones. I recently ripped all my CDs to 256k MP3 so they could play on my iPhone. I love FLAC files and have many jazz recordings carefully ripped to FLAC for listening on a high fidelity audio system at home. Most of my album listening is away from home though so MP3 is the format of choice until Apple supports FLAC. I fear this may be a long time, as only audiophiles seem to care about it. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Speaking of MP3, I had great pleasure in deleting 80,000+ MP3 files from my network just now, as I have everything I owned in MP3 format in FLAC - and much more besides - there was very little point in keeping the collection. My new Wireless Hard Drive hasn't arrived yet though it will be a truly welcome addition to the network and storage. On 7 Oct 2014, at 12:23 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I am happy with my mp3 sound. I can use the aac sound format to and for me thats great. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Actually no. Minimum compression yields maximum bit rate. Minimum compression means you compress it minimally. On Mon, 6 Oct 2014 06:35:02 +1100, you wrote: sorry, the minimum compression rate of MP3 I've seen is 32K, maximum I think you meant to say is 320K. With FLAC you can control the compression rate but that doesn't make any difference in audio quality, it just takes longer to compress the file the smaller it is and - even then - you don't make much of a difference in the actual file size, probably 1 or 2 meg per track say so - given all that - its not worth bothering about. On 6 Oct 2014, at 6:24 am, Brent Harding br...@hostany.net wrote: Well, the minimum compression you can do with mp3 is probably 320 kbps, which is still about 4 to 1, unless some encoders can do a higher bit rate than that. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
I had OPlayer on an Android tablet once and it was pretty darn neat. Didn't know it was available for iOS. Re VLC, it's a fine product, but its accessibility leaves more than a little to be desired, in my unhumble opinion. On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:46:07 +1100, you wrote: You're not mistaken and that's just one App of at least half a dozen I can think of, I haven't played around with VLC lately so must have a look and see what improvements or changes have been made. Another of my favourite players for IOS is something called oPlayer which is available in 2 versions, the free Light and the HD purchased version. Speaking of VLC, if you're a Windows user then you're in for a real treat with this player, I use it both on Mac and Windows. On 8 Oct 2014, at 8:36 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Vlc for Iphone supports flac if i'm not misstaken. Its also quite easy to use with voiceover. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
OK--stupid question--what program can be loaded on an iOS device that will play these other formats and get me out of the iTunes world? On Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:28:49 +1100, you wrote: You're making things terribly and unecssarely complex and complicated. Yes that's right, just replace Windows Media Player on your Windows Machine with something that plays FLAC files and the same applies to your iPhone, Mac etc. In the case of iPhone and Mac no one says you have to use iTunes at all! I don't for playing audio files. If you do need to or want to use iTunes then no, you can't play FLAC files with iTunes however you can play Lossless AAC Audio with iTunes thus you could convert your FLAC collection, Monkeys Audio Collection or whatever, even rip your CD'S to a Lossless format for playback. though that's a step that I don't think most most will want to take, its just far easier getting a Third party player and playing the FLAC or whatever the audio is on your iPhone and enjoying. On 7 Oct 2014, at 1:21 pm, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, The difference is the tight integration of the Apple ecosystem in the companys mobile platform. Windows is designed to be an agnostic multipurpose device. The included Windows Media Player can easily be substituted with another media player, like Winamp, that supports FLAC. By contrast, it is very difficult to load music files on the iPhone without using iTunes. Further, Apples headphones are integrated with the music app and the phone or tablet itself so audio input and output can be managed without touching the device. Third party apps have limited access to the controls on Apple headphones and cannot access the built-in equalizer in the music app. The equalizer on iOS allows iTunes Radio to sound so much better than Spotify, Pandora and the others, as they cannot access it. I fully support the notion that FLAC represents a significant improvement in sound quality and that increased memory and bandwidth diminish its limitations. Unfortunately, the time for universal adoption of FLAC is not now. Many have predicted for years the widespread adoption of mobile payments through sell phones using near Field Communications. The predictions never seem to materialize until now. With the iPhone 6 series, Apple finally added NFC and is rolling out a payment system. We will soon see if this technology is embraced or ignored. The quality of audio streaming is getting better without a doubt. Streaming cannot fully replace music loaded onto a mobile device though for the reasons listed earlier. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay I accept that without question but you forgot to mention that a Windows nor a Mac computer can play FLAC files without third party software so what's the difference? Third Party software or Apps are available for IOS etc that will allow the playing of FLAC content as third party software is available for Windows and Mac to allow the playing of FLAC content. The point you raised is taken and a fair point indeed! this all means that MP3 and so on will be around for a great deal longer and I don't dispute that at all because its the truth. All I say is that MP3 and alike formats have their quality limitations and FLAC - along with other Lossless formats - is now a viable alternative given that storage is cheaper,, portable and mobile devices are coming with larger memory capacities and so on. Regarding streaming? Mp3 is being replaced by AAC and AAC+ which has a far better compression ratio, I have actually seen some FLAC streams and test a couple the BBC had experimented with quite some time ago, they worked well though quite a bit of band width is required but I'm sure that will come in time too just as the quality of streaming itself has improved out of sight over the last 20 years or so. Before I close, I did get one mobile device that could play FLAC right out of the box apart from those I've already mentioned and that was my Samsung Galaxy phone, the Playback of FLAC it seems is built-in to Android as it should be. On 7 Oct 2014, at 11:48 am, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apples media player, iTunes. With each passing year and no FLAC support, Apple incrementally loses its cool ratio. Some suggest streaming music, such as Pandora, TuneIn Radio, Slacker Radio, and iTunes Radio along with Apples Music Match, as alternatives to loading music files to the phone. Unfortunately, streaming music is not available on subways, planes and in big buildings as well in lightly populated areas with no cellular service. I want music on my device
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
I've only recently myself rid the network of MP3 files, some of which have been there for years. Its easier than a lot of people think when it comes to playing FLAC files on devices and perhaps I didn't make that very clear in previous eMail. For example with an iPhone, you download or purchase a 3rd party App, more than likely the App will have some sort of Downloader built-in, put simply that means you can have your iPhone connect to Dropbox etc thus what files you put on your Dropbox from your computer or other device can then be downloaded to your iPhone for you to play at your convenience. On 7 Oct 2014, at 4:02 pm, Alexandra Grünauer al.gruena...@gmx.de wrote: Dane, you're right with all you say about flac files. I'm a fan myself, but I'll stick to mp3 for my portable players because the Plextalk Pocket doesn't support Flac and the IPhone storage space is so unbelievably expensive! An Apple policy that I'll never be able to understand. Take care, Alexandra -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:29 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? You're making things terribly and unecssarely complex and complicated. Yes that's right, just replace Windows Media Player on your Windows Machine with something that plays FLAC files and the same applies to your iPhone, Mac etc. In the case of iPhone and Mac no one says you have to use iTunes at all! I don't for playing audio files. If you do need to or want to use iTunes then no, you can't play FLAC files with iTunes however you can play Lossless AAC Audio with iTunes thus you could convert your FLAC collection, Monkeys Audio Collection or whatever, even rip your CD'S to a Lossless format for playback. though that's a step that I don't think most most will want to take, its just far easier getting a Third party player and playing the FLAC or whatever the audio is on your iPhone and enjoying. On 7 Oct 2014, at 1:21 pm, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, The difference is the tight integration of the Apple ecosystem in the company’s mobile platform. Windows is designed to be an agnostic multipurpose device. The included Windows Media Player can easily be substituted with another media player, like Winamp, that supports FLAC. By contrast, it is very difficult to load music files on the iPhone without using iTunes. Further, Apple’s headphones are integrated with the music app and the phone or tablet itself so audio input and output can be managed without touching the device. Third party apps have limited access to the controls on Apple headphones and cannot access the built-in equalizer in the music app. The equalizer on iOS allows iTunes Radio to sound so much better than Spotify, Pandora and the others, as they cannot access it. I fully support the notion that FLAC represents a significant improvement in sound quality and that increased memory and bandwidth diminish its limitations. Unfortunately, the time for universal adoption of FLAC is not now. Many have predicted for years the widespread adoption of mobile payments through sell phones using near Field Communications. The predictions never seem to materialize until now. With the iPhone 6 series, Apple finally added NFC and is rolling out a payment system. We will soon see if this technology is embraced or ignored. The quality of audio streaming is getting better without a doubt. Streaming cannot fully replace music loaded onto a mobile device though for the reasons listed earlier. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay I accept that without question but you forgot to mention that a Windows nor a Mac computer can play FLAC files without third party software so what's the difference? Third Party software or Apps are available for IOS etc that will allow the playing of FLAC content as third party software is available for Windows and Mac to allow the playing of FLAC content. The point you raised is taken and a fair point indeed! this all means that MP3 and so on will be around for a great deal longer and I don't dispute that at all because its the truth. All I say is that MP3 and alike formats have their quality limitations and FLAC - along with other Lossless formats - is now a viable alternative given that storage is cheaper,, portable and mobile devices are coming with larger memory capacities and so on. Regarding streaming? Mp3 is being replaced by AAC and AAC+ which has a far better compression ratio, I have actually seen some FLAC streams and test a couple the BBC had experimented with quite some time ago, they worked well though quite a bit of band width is required but I'm sure that will come in time too just as the quality of streaming itself has improved out of sight over the last 20 years or so
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Hi! Vlc for Iphone supports flac if i'm not misstaken. Its also quite easy to use with voiceover. /A 7 okt 2014 kl. 04:21 skrev Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com: Dane, The difference is the tight integration of the Apple ecosystem in the company’s mobile platform. Windows is designed to be an agnostic multipurpose device. The included Windows Media Player can easily be substituted with another media player, like Winamp, that supports FLAC. By contrast, it is very difficult to load music files on the iPhone without using iTunes. Further, Apple’s headphones are integrated with the music app and the phone or tablet itself so audio input and output can be managed without touching the device. Third party apps have limited access to the controls on Apple headphones and cannot access the built-in equalizer in the music app. The equalizer on iOS allows iTunes Radio to sound so much better than Spotify, Pandora and the others, as they cannot access it. I fully support the notion that FLAC represents a significant improvement in sound quality and that increased memory and bandwidth diminish its limitations. Unfortunately, the time for universal adoption of FLAC is not now. Many have predicted for years the widespread adoption of mobile payments through sell phones using near Field Communications. The predictions never seem to materialize until now. With the iPhone 6 series, Apple finally added NFC and is rolling out a payment system. We will soon see if this technology is embraced or ignored. The quality of audio streaming is getting better without a doubt. Streaming cannot fully replace music loaded onto a mobile device though for the reasons listed earlier. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay I accept that without question but you forgot to mention that a Windows nor a Mac computer can play FLAC files without third party software so what's the difference? Third Party software or Apps are available for IOS etc that will allow the playing of FLAC content as third party software is available for Windows and Mac to allow the playing of FLAC content. The point you raised is taken and a fair point indeed! this all means that MP3 and so on will be around for a great deal longer and I don't dispute that at all because its the truth. All I say is that MP3 and alike formats have their quality limitations and FLAC - along with other Lossless formats - is now a viable alternative given that storage is cheaper,, portable and mobile devices are coming with larger memory capacities and so on. Regarding streaming? Mp3 is being replaced by AAC and AAC+ which has a far better compression ratio, I have actually seen some FLAC streams and test a couple the BBC had experimented with quite some time ago, they worked well though quite a bit of band width is required but I'm sure that will come in time too just as the quality of streaming itself has improved out of sight over the last 20 years or so. Before I close, I did get one mobile device that could play FLAC right out of the box apart from those I've already mentioned and that was my Samsung Galaxy phone, the Playback of FLAC it seems is built-in to Android as it should be. On 7 Oct 2014, at 11:48 am, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apple’s media player, iTunes. With each passing year and no FLAC support, Apple incrementally loses its cool ratio. Some suggest streaming music, such as Pandora, TuneIn Radio, Slacker Radio, and iTunes Radio along with Apple’s Music Match, as alternatives to loading music files to the phone. Unfortunately, streaming music is not available on subways, planes and in big buildings as well in lightly populated areas with no cellular service. I want music on my device for the times when I want music, which includes the times with no data service. Currently, the MP3 format still represents the means to provide relatively high quality audio content for the widest range of devices, particularly mobile ones. I recently ripped all my CD’s to 256k MP3 so they could play on my iPhone. I love FLAC files and have many jazz recordings carefully ripped to FLAC for listening on a high fidelity audio system at home. Most of my album listening is away from home though so MP3 is the format of choice until Apple supports FLAC. I fear this may be a long time, as only audiophiles seem to care about it. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Speaking of MP3, I had great pleasure in deleting 80,000+ MP3 files from my network just now, as I have everything I owned in MP3 format in FLAC - and much more besides - there was
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
You're not mistaken and that's just one App of at least half a dozen I can think of, I haven't played around with VLC lately so must have a look and see what improvements or changes have been made. Another of my favourite players for IOS is something called oPlayer which is available in 2 versions, the free Light and the HD purchased version. Speaking of VLC, if you're a Windows user then you're in for a real treat with this player, I use it both on Mac and Windows. On 8 Oct 2014, at 8:36 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Vlc for Iphone supports flac if i'm not misstaken. Its also quite easy to use with voiceover. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Hi! I am happy with my mp3 sound. I can use the aac sound format to and for me thats great. /A 5 okt 2014 kl. 21:52 skrev Don Ball donbal...@earthlink.net: I can't get files to download from hdtracks? I have installed java but with ie and firefox when I click on the download link for the sampla album I get page not found or such thing. I am missing a program to download these files but I don't know what that is. I tried to download their manager with the same results. I will not buy their products if I can't download them? - Original Message - From: Brent Harding br...@hostany.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? Well, the minimum compression you can do with mp3 is probably 320 kbps, which is still about 4 to 1, unless some encoders can do a higher bit rate than that. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? FLAC is used because its far smaller than Wave and lossless though FLAC is bigger than MP3 etc. The upshot of all this is that you get the full sound you'd get with FLAC as you would with Wave but in a smaller file size. The joke is that MP3 files - some I've seen - have been done using minimum compression and so on and you have to ask the question, why didn't these people create FLAC files instead? The resulting FLAC files wouldn't have been much bigger but would have been of better quality. On 4 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: No sir. I was just saying I didn't realize they did other formats too. Since all I keep hearing about is the WAV files. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Time To Purchase FLAC? No reason why you can't have HD music in different formats. On 4 Oct 2014, at 1:51 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, I thought HD tracks sold stuff in PCM. Blu-Ray PCM might I add. At epic awesome 96 KHZ 24 bit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Time To Purchase FLAC? Going through my stack of eMail, someone wanted to know how and where to purchase Music in FLAC audio format? I suggest they start here. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Speaking of MP3, I had great pleasure in deleting 80,000+ MP3 files from my network just now, as I have everything I owned in MP3 format in FLAC - and much more besides - there was very little point in keeping the collection. My new Wireless Hard Drive hasn't arrived yet though it will be a truly welcome addition to the network and storage. On 7 Oct 2014, at 12:23 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I am happy with my mp3 sound. I can use the aac sound format to and for me thats great. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apple’s media player, iTunes. With each passing year and no FLAC support, Apple incrementally loses its cool ratio. Some suggest streaming music, such as Pandora, TuneIn Radio, Slacker Radio, and iTunes Radio along with Apple’s Music Match, as alternatives to loading music files to the phone. Unfortunately, streaming music is not available on subways, planes and in big buildings as well in lightly populated areas with no cellular service. I want music on my device for the times when I want music, which includes the times with no data service. Currently, the MP3 format still represents the means to provide relatively high quality audio content for the widest range of devices, particularly mobile ones. I recently ripped all my CD’s to 256k MP3 so they could play on my iPhone. I love FLAC files and have many jazz recordings carefully ripped to FLAC for listening on a high fidelity audio system at home. Most of my album listening is away from home though so MP3 is the format of choice until Apple supports FLAC. I fear this may be a long time, as only audiophiles seem to care about it. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Speaking of MP3, I had great pleasure in deleting 80,000+ MP3 files from my network just now, as I have everything I owned in MP3 format in FLAC - and much more besides - there was very little point in keeping the collection. My new Wireless Hard Drive hasn't arrived yet though it will be a truly welcome addition to the network and storage. On 7 Oct 2014, at 12:23 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I am happy with my mp3 sound. I can use the aac sound format to and for me thats great. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Okay I accept that without question but you forgot to mention that a Windows nor a Mac computer can play FLAC files without third party software so what's the difference? Third Party software or Apps are available for IOS etc that will allow the playing of FLAC content as third party software is available for Windows and Mac to allow the playing of FLAC content. The point you raised is taken and a fair point indeed! this all means that MP3 and so on will be around for a great deal longer and I don't dispute that at all because its the truth. All I say is that MP3 and alike formats have their quality limitations and FLAC - along with other Lossless formats - is now a viable alternative given that storage is cheaper,, portable and mobile devices are coming with larger memory capacities and so on. Regarding streaming? Mp3 is being replaced by AAC and AAC+ which has a far better compression ratio, I have actually seen some FLAC streams and test a couple the BBC had experimented with quite some time ago, they worked well though quite a bit of band width is required but I'm sure that will come in time too just as the quality of streaming itself has improved out of sight over the last 20 years or so. Before I close, I did get one mobile device that could play FLAC right out of the box apart from those I've already mentioned and that was my Samsung Galaxy phone, the Playback of FLAC it seems is built-in to Android as it should be. On 7 Oct 2014, at 11:48 am, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apple’s media player, iTunes. With each passing year and no FLAC support, Apple incrementally loses its cool ratio. Some suggest streaming music, such as Pandora, TuneIn Radio, Slacker Radio, and iTunes Radio along with Apple’s Music Match, as alternatives to loading music files to the phone. Unfortunately, streaming music is not available on subways, planes and in big buildings as well in lightly populated areas with no cellular service. I want music on my device for the times when I want music, which includes the times with no data service. Currently, the MP3 format still represents the means to provide relatively high quality audio content for the widest range of devices, particularly mobile ones. I recently ripped all my CD’s to 256k MP3 so they could play on my iPhone. I love FLAC files and have many jazz recordings carefully ripped to FLAC for listening on a high fidelity audio system at home. Most of my album listening is away from home though so MP3 is the format of choice until Apple supports FLAC. I fear this may be a long time, as only audiophiles seem to care about it. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Speaking of MP3, I had great pleasure in deleting 80,000+ MP3 files from my network just now, as I have everything I owned in MP3 format in FLAC - and much more besides - there was very little point in keeping the collection. My new Wireless Hard Drive hasn't arrived yet though it will be a truly welcome addition to the network and storage. On 7 Oct 2014, at 12:23 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I am happy with my mp3 sound. I can use the aac sound format to and for me thats great. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Dane, The difference is the tight integration of the Apple ecosystem in the company’s mobile platform. Windows is designed to be an agnostic multipurpose device. The included Windows Media Player can easily be substituted with another media player, like Winamp, that supports FLAC. By contrast, it is very difficult to load music files on the iPhone without using iTunes. Further, Apple’s headphones are integrated with the music app and the phone or tablet itself so audio input and output can be managed without touching the device. Third party apps have limited access to the controls on Apple headphones and cannot access the built-in equalizer in the music app. The equalizer on iOS allows iTunes Radio to sound so much better than Spotify, Pandora and the others, as they cannot access it. I fully support the notion that FLAC represents a significant improvement in sound quality and that increased memory and bandwidth diminish its limitations. Unfortunately, the time for universal adoption of FLAC is not now. Many have predicted for years the widespread adoption of mobile payments through sell phones using near Field Communications. The predictions never seem to materialize until now. With the iPhone 6 series, Apple finally added NFC and is rolling out a payment system. We will soon see if this technology is embraced or ignored. The quality of audio streaming is getting better without a doubt. Streaming cannot fully replace music loaded onto a mobile device though for the reasons listed earlier. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay I accept that without question but you forgot to mention that a Windows nor a Mac computer can play FLAC files without third party software so what's the difference? Third Party software or Apps are available for IOS etc that will allow the playing of FLAC content as third party software is available for Windows and Mac to allow the playing of FLAC content. The point you raised is taken and a fair point indeed! this all means that MP3 and so on will be around for a great deal longer and I don't dispute that at all because its the truth. All I say is that MP3 and alike formats have their quality limitations and FLAC - along with other Lossless formats - is now a viable alternative given that storage is cheaper,, portable and mobile devices are coming with larger memory capacities and so on. Regarding streaming? Mp3 is being replaced by AAC and AAC+ which has a far better compression ratio, I have actually seen some FLAC streams and test a couple the BBC had experimented with quite some time ago, they worked well though quite a bit of band width is required but I'm sure that will come in time too just as the quality of streaming itself has improved out of sight over the last 20 years or so. Before I close, I did get one mobile device that could play FLAC right out of the box apart from those I've already mentioned and that was my Samsung Galaxy phone, the Playback of FLAC it seems is built-in to Android as it should be. On 7 Oct 2014, at 11:48 am, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apple’s media player, iTunes. With each passing year and no FLAC support, Apple incrementally loses its cool ratio. Some suggest streaming music, such as Pandora, TuneIn Radio, Slacker Radio, and iTunes Radio along with Apple’s Music Match, as alternatives to loading music files to the phone. Unfortunately, streaming music is not available on subways, planes and in big buildings as well in lightly populated areas with no cellular service. I want music on my device for the times when I want music, which includes the times with no data service. Currently, the MP3 format still represents the means to provide relatively high quality audio content for the widest range of devices, particularly mobile ones. I recently ripped all my CD’s to 256k MP3 so they could play on my iPhone. I love FLAC files and have many jazz recordings carefully ripped to FLAC for listening on a high fidelity audio system at home. Most of my album listening is away from home though so MP3 is the format of choice until Apple supports FLAC. I fear this may be a long time, as only audiophiles seem to care about it. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Speaking of MP3, I had great pleasure in deleting 80,000+ MP3 files from my network just now, as I have everything I owned in MP3 format in FLAC - and much more besides - there was very little point in keeping the collection. My new Wireless Hard Drive hasn't arrived yet though it will be a truly welcome addition to the network and storage. On 7 Oct 2014, at 12:23 am, Anders Holmberg
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
You're making things terribly and unecssarely complex and complicated. Yes that's right, just replace Windows Media Player on your Windows Machine with something that plays FLAC files and the same applies to your iPhone, Mac etc. In the case of iPhone and Mac no one says you have to use iTunes at all! I don't for playing audio files. If you do need to or want to use iTunes then no, you can't play FLAC files with iTunes however you can play Lossless AAC Audio with iTunes thus you could convert your FLAC collection, Monkeys Audio Collection or whatever, even rip your CD'S to a Lossless format for playback. though that's a step that I don't think most most will want to take, its just far easier getting a Third party player and playing the FLAC or whatever the audio is on your iPhone and enjoying. On 7 Oct 2014, at 1:21 pm, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, The difference is the tight integration of the Apple ecosystem in the company’s mobile platform. Windows is designed to be an agnostic multipurpose device. The included Windows Media Player can easily be substituted with another media player, like Winamp, that supports FLAC. By contrast, it is very difficult to load music files on the iPhone without using iTunes. Further, Apple’s headphones are integrated with the music app and the phone or tablet itself so audio input and output can be managed without touching the device. Third party apps have limited access to the controls on Apple headphones and cannot access the built-in equalizer in the music app. The equalizer on iOS allows iTunes Radio to sound so much better than Spotify, Pandora and the others, as they cannot access it. I fully support the notion that FLAC represents a significant improvement in sound quality and that increased memory and bandwidth diminish its limitations. Unfortunately, the time for universal adoption of FLAC is not now. Many have predicted for years the widespread adoption of mobile payments through sell phones using near Field Communications. The predictions never seem to materialize until now. With the iPhone 6 series, Apple finally added NFC and is rolling out a payment system. We will soon see if this technology is embraced or ignored. The quality of audio streaming is getting better without a doubt. Streaming cannot fully replace music loaded onto a mobile device though for the reasons listed earlier. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay I accept that without question but you forgot to mention that a Windows nor a Mac computer can play FLAC files without third party software so what's the difference? Third Party software or Apps are available for IOS etc that will allow the playing of FLAC content as third party software is available for Windows and Mac to allow the playing of FLAC content. The point you raised is taken and a fair point indeed! this all means that MP3 and so on will be around for a great deal longer and I don't dispute that at all because its the truth. All I say is that MP3 and alike formats have their quality limitations and FLAC - along with other Lossless formats - is now a viable alternative given that storage is cheaper,, portable and mobile devices are coming with larger memory capacities and so on. Regarding streaming? Mp3 is being replaced by AAC and AAC+ which has a far better compression ratio, I have actually seen some FLAC streams and test a couple the BBC had experimented with quite some time ago, they worked well though quite a bit of band width is required but I'm sure that will come in time too just as the quality of streaming itself has improved out of sight over the last 20 years or so. Before I close, I did get one mobile device that could play FLAC right out of the box apart from those I've already mentioned and that was my Samsung Galaxy phone, the Playback of FLAC it seems is built-in to Android as it should be. On 7 Oct 2014, at 11:48 am, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apple’s media player, iTunes. With each passing year and no FLAC support, Apple incrementally loses its cool ratio. Some suggest streaming music, such as Pandora, TuneIn Radio, Slacker Radio, and iTunes Radio along with Apple’s Music Match, as alternatives to loading music files to the phone. Unfortunately, streaming music is not available on subways, planes and in big buildings as well in lightly populated areas with no cellular service. I want music on my device for the times when I want music, which includes the times with no data service. Currently, the MP3 format still represents the means to provide relatively high quality audio
RE: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Dane, you're right with all you say about flac files. I'm a fan myself, but I'll stick to mp3 for my portable players because the Plextalk Pocket doesn't support Flac and the IPhone storage space is so unbelievably expensive! An Apple policy that I'll never be able to understand. Take care, Alexandra -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 4:29 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? You're making things terribly and unecssarely complex and complicated. Yes that's right, just replace Windows Media Player on your Windows Machine with something that plays FLAC files and the same applies to your iPhone, Mac etc. In the case of iPhone and Mac no one says you have to use iTunes at all! I don't for playing audio files. If you do need to or want to use iTunes then no, you can't play FLAC files with iTunes however you can play Lossless AAC Audio with iTunes thus you could convert your FLAC collection, Monkeys Audio Collection or whatever, even rip your CD'S to a Lossless format for playback. though that's a step that I don't think most most will want to take, its just far easier getting a Third party player and playing the FLAC or whatever the audio is on your iPhone and enjoying. On 7 Oct 2014, at 1:21 pm, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, The difference is the tight integration of the Apple ecosystem in the companys mobile platform. Windows is designed to be an agnostic multipurpose device. The included Windows Media Player can easily be substituted with another media player, like Winamp, that supports FLAC. By contrast, it is very difficult to load music files on the iPhone without using iTunes. Further, Apples headphones are integrated with the music app and the phone or tablet itself so audio input and output can be managed without touching the device. Third party apps have limited access to the controls on Apple headphones and cannot access the built-in equalizer in the music app. The equalizer on iOS allows iTunes Radio to sound so much better than Spotify, Pandora and the others, as they cannot access it. I fully support the notion that FLAC represents a significant improvement in sound quality and that increased memory and bandwidth diminish its limitations. Unfortunately, the time for universal adoption of FLAC is not now. Many have predicted for years the widespread adoption of mobile payments through sell phones using near Field Communications. The predictions never seem to materialize until now. With the iPhone 6 series, Apple finally added NFC and is rolling out a payment system. We will soon see if this technology is embraced or ignored. The quality of audio streaming is getting better without a doubt. Streaming cannot fully replace music loaded onto a mobile device though for the reasons listed earlier. Kelly On 10/6/14, Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net wrote: Okay I accept that without question but you forgot to mention that a Windows nor a Mac computer can play FLAC files without third party software so what's the difference? Third Party software or Apps are available for IOS etc that will allow the playing of FLAC content as third party software is available for Windows and Mac to allow the playing of FLAC content. The point you raised is taken and a fair point indeed! this all means that MP3 and so on will be around for a great deal longer and I don't dispute that at all because its the truth. All I say is that MP3 and alike formats have their quality limitations and FLAC - along with other Lossless formats - is now a viable alternative given that storage is cheaper,, portable and mobile devices are coming with larger memory capacities and so on. Regarding streaming? Mp3 is being replaced by AAC and AAC+ which has a far better compression ratio, I have actually seen some FLAC streams and test a couple the BBC had experimented with quite some time ago, they worked well though quite a bit of band width is required but I'm sure that will come in time too just as the quality of streaming itself has improved out of sight over the last 20 years or so. Before I close, I did get one mobile device that could play FLAC right out of the box apart from those I've already mentioned and that was my Samsung Galaxy phone, the Playback of FLAC it seems is built-in to Android as it should be. On 7 Oct 2014, at 11:48 am, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote: Dane, Your analysis of the FLAC format omits the lack of support on Apple mobile devices. The iPhone and iPad and their iOS operating system stands as the most coveted and popular consumer technology in the world. Yet, FLAC files cannot be played on these devices or Apples media player, iTunes. With each passing year
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Well, the minimum compression you can do with mp3 is probably 320 kbps, which is still about 4 to 1, unless some encoders can do a higher bit rate than that. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? FLAC is used because its far smaller than Wave and lossless though FLAC is bigger than MP3 etc. The upshot of all this is that you get the full sound you'd get with FLAC as you would with Wave but in a smaller file size. The joke is that MP3 files - some I've seen - have been done using minimum compression and so on and you have to ask the question, why didn't these people create FLAC files instead? The resulting FLAC files wouldn't have been much bigger but would have been of better quality. On 4 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: No sir. I was just saying I didn't realize they did other formats too. Since all I keep hearing about is the WAV files. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Time To Purchase FLAC? No reason why you can't have HD music in different formats. On 4 Oct 2014, at 1:51 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, I thought HD tracks sold stuff in PCM. Blu-Ray PCM might I add. At epic awesome 96 KHZ 24 bit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Time To Purchase FLAC? Going through my stack of eMail, someone wanted to know how and where to purchase Music in FLAC audio format? I suggest they start here. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
sorry, the minimum compression rate of MP3 I've seen is 32K, maximum I think you meant to say is 320K. With FLAC you can control the compression rate but that doesn't make any difference in audio quality, it just takes longer to compress the file the smaller it is and - even then - you don't make much of a difference in the actual file size, probably 1 or 2 meg per track say so - given all that - its not worth bothering about. On 6 Oct 2014, at 6:24 am, Brent Harding br...@hostany.net wrote: Well, the minimum compression you can do with mp3 is probably 320 kbps, which is still about 4 to 1, unless some encoders can do a higher bit rate than that. ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
I can't get files to download from hdtracks? I have installed java but with ie and firefox when I click on the download link for the sampla album I get page not found or such thing. I am missing a program to download these files but I don't know what that is. I tried to download their manager with the same results. I will not buy their products if I can't download them? - Original Message - From: Brent Harding br...@hostany.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? Well, the minimum compression you can do with mp3 is probably 320 kbps, which is still about 4 to 1, unless some encoders can do a higher bit rate than that. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:21 PM Subject: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? FLAC is used because its far smaller than Wave and lossless though FLAC is bigger than MP3 etc. The upshot of all this is that you get the full sound you'd get with FLAC as you would with Wave but in a smaller file size. The joke is that MP3 files - some I've seen - have been done using minimum compression and so on and you have to ask the question, why didn't these people create FLAC files instead? The resulting FLAC files wouldn't have been much bigger but would have been of better quality. On 4 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: No sir. I was just saying I didn't realize they did other formats too. Since all I keep hearing about is the WAV files. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Time To Purchase FLAC? No reason why you can't have HD music in different formats. On 4 Oct 2014, at 1:51 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, I thought HD tracks sold stuff in PCM. Blu-Ray PCM might I add. At epic awesome 96 KHZ 24 bit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Time To Purchase FLAC? Going through my stack of eMail, someone wanted to know how and where to purchase Music in FLAC audio format? I suggest they start here. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
FLAC is used because its far smaller than Wave and lossless though FLAC is bigger than MP3 etc. The upshot of all this is that you get the full sound you'd get with FLAC as you would with Wave but in a smaller file size. The joke is that MP3 files - some I've seen - have been done using minimum compression and so on and you have to ask the question, why didn't these people create FLAC files instead? The resulting FLAC files wouldn't have been much bigger but would have been of better quality. On 4 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: No sir. I was just saying I didn't realize they did other formats too. Since all I keep hearing about is the WAV files. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Time To Purchase FLAC? No reason why you can't have HD music in different formats. On 4 Oct 2014, at 1:51 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, I thought HD tracks sold stuff in PCM. Blu-Ray PCM might I add. At epic awesome 96 KHZ 24 bit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Time To Purchase FLAC? Going through my stack of eMail, someone wanted to know how and where to purchase Music in FLAC audio format? I suggest they start here. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Hi! Then i have to ask if ogg files has larger compression than mp3? I can't hear no difference so maybe it doesn't matter. /A 4 okt 2014 kl. 21:21 skrev Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net: FLAC is used because its far smaller than Wave and lossless though FLAC is bigger than MP3 etc. The upshot of all this is that you get the full sound you'd get with FLAC as you would with Wave but in a smaller file size. The joke is that MP3 files - some I've seen - have been done using minimum compression and so on and you have to ask the question, why didn't these people create FLAC files instead? The resulting FLAC files wouldn't have been much bigger but would have been of better quality. On 4 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: No sir. I was just saying I didn't realize they did other formats too. Since all I keep hearing about is the WAV files. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Time To Purchase FLAC? No reason why you can't have HD music in different formats. On 4 Oct 2014, at 1:51 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, I thought HD tracks sold stuff in PCM. Blu-Ray PCM might I add. At epic awesome 96 KHZ 24 bit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Time To Purchase FLAC? Going through my stack of eMail, someone wanted to know how and where to purchase Music in FLAC audio format? I suggest they start here. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
Re: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
I've nover used OGG, I know some people use nothing but OGG but its all the same, OGG, MP3, AAC and so on are Lossee formats, that is data is made redundant when they are created thus the quality of the compressed file has been compremised whereas FLAC is Lossless and no loss of audio quality occurs when these files are created. Of course, one can optimise MP3 files etc to ensure that minimum loss of audio quality takes place . On 5 Oct 2014, at 10:17 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Then i have to ask if ogg files has larger compression than mp3? I can't hear no difference so maybe it doesn't matter. /A ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
RE: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC?
Hell yeah. Ah okay. I like Flac too, I've heard the ones you've uploaded and I love it. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 3:21 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: FLAC Files was Time To Purchase FLAC? FLAC is used because its far smaller than Wave and lossless though FLAC is bigger than MP3 etc. The upshot of all this is that you get the full sound you'd get with FLAC as you would with Wave but in a smaller file size. The joke is that MP3 files - some I've seen - have been done using minimum compression and so on and you have to ask the question, why didn't these people create FLAC files instead? The resulting FLAC files wouldn't have been much bigger but would have been of better quality. On 4 Oct 2014, at 10:45 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: No sir. I was just saying I didn't realize they did other formats too. Since all I keep hearing about is the WAV files. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 1:19 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Time To Purchase FLAC? No reason why you can't have HD music in different formats. On 4 Oct 2014, at 1:51 pm, Hamit Campos hamitcam...@gmail.com wrote: Ha, I thought HD tracks sold stuff in PCM. Blu-Ray PCM might I add. At epic awesome 96 KHZ 24 bit. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 9:03 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Time To Purchase FLAC? Going through my stack of eMail, someone wanted to know how and where to purchase Music in FLAC audio format? I suggest they start here. https://www.hdtracks.com/index.php ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane ** Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
