Re: turntables
A web site where you can find any kind of needle and cartridge is turntableneedles.com. They have knoledgable salesmen and they're prices are good. Good luck. Joe. - Original Message - From: DALE HELTZER dehelt...@msn.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:40 PM Subject: RE: turntables Don't play a 78RPM disc with a stylus designed for 45- or 33RPM discs - the shape is different and may damage the older record. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:06 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I love the Shure V15-TYPE V5. -- Curtis Delzer. HS. K 6 V F O San Bernardino, CA. curtis1...@verizon.net skype: curtis1014 On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 03:05:14 -0400 Joe n3...@hotmail.com wrote: A web site where you can find any kind of needle and cartridge is turntableneedles.com. They have knoledgable salesmen and they're prices are good. Good luck. Joe. - Original Message - From: DALE HELTZER dehelt...@msn.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:40 PM Subject: RE: turntables Don't play a 78RPM disc with a stylus designed for 45- or 33RPM discs - the shape is different and may damage the older record. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:06 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Actually I have an inovative technologies turntable that is USB optional, but it also does have the RCA patch cord built in. - Original Message - From: Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:05 AM Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I think if you can find a Thomas Picconi or Studebaker turntable, this may be your only hope. you may have to resample the 78 rpm records to listen to them on the computer or something. good luck finding something. - Original Message - From: Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:05 PM Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Don't play a 78RPM disc with a stylus designed for 45- or 33RPM discs - the shape is different and may damage the older record. -Original Message- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Donald L. Roberts Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 1:06 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Those old style cartriges went out with the infamous bsr turntables. - Original Message - From: Don Ball donbal...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:13 PM Subject: Re: turntables I haven't seen a ceramic cartridge sense the seventys. I think that all turn tables have magnetic cartridges now. Most turntables have 78 speed. YOu could probably by a cheap one at radio shack. I bought a numark turntable that has 78 speed for about $250. I have heard on the email lists about portable record players with built in speakers still being around. Look for record players on amazon and see what you find. - Original Message - From: Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:05 PM Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I haven't seen a ceramic cartridge sense the seventys. I think that all turn tables have magnetic cartridges now. Most turntables have 78 speed. YOu could probably by a cheap one at radio shack. I bought a numark turntable that has 78 speed for about $250. I have heard on the email lists about portable record players with built in speakers still being around. Look for record players on amazon and see what you find. - Original Message - From: Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:05 PM Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I forget the model of the Stanton turntable I bought at my local Guitar Center about a year ago, but if you press the 33 and 45 buttons at the same time, it swings up to 78rpm. I also bought an additional headshell, which is the bit that screws onto the arm, so that I could switch them out. This particular turntable from Stanton has a little hole on the top face where you can sit an extra headshell. The turntable has no automatic features, and no hard cover, just a cloth dust cover. So there are three pieces you need for the 78 assembly: the headshell, the stylus itself, and the cartridge. What I had to do was find the stylus, which is the needle itself, then I had to find a cartridge, which is the bit between the stylus and the headshell that has wires that you connect to the headshell. The stylus fits onto the cartridge. You'll need to do very exacting research to make sure that you get the right things, since you may have to order one or more of the parts online. I found that for the 78 stylus, it didn't come mounted onto the cartridge, so that's why I had to order the cartridge and stylus separately, and from two different places, no less. I had sighted help to wire up the cartridge to the headshell, and then the cartridge actually had a standard 33 needle already there, so that's for extras, and the 78 needle just slipped on. You got all that? I hope you find what you need. The entire investment in order to get the proper playing setup for 78s was about six ty dollars, half for needle and half for the cartridge. I hope this info helps. The people at my store were helpful in looking up the model numbers of the parts I needed, but double check anyway. The output from this 78 needle is significantly louder than that of the one for 33s, so you'll need to adjust your volume output when transferring. Matthew To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I think the Teac 350 had a ceramic cartridge on it. not much for tonal quality. - Original Message - From: Byron Stephens bstephens122...@shaw.ca To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Re: turntables Those old style cartriges went out with the infamous bsr turntables. - Original Message - From: Don Ball donbal...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 5:13 PM Subject: Re: turntables I haven't seen a ceramic cartridge sense the seventys. I think that all turn tables have magnetic cartridges now. Most turntables have 78 speed. YOu could probably by a cheap one at radio shack. I bought a numark turntable that has 78 speed for about $250. I have heard on the email lists about portable record players with built in speakers still being around. Look for record players on amazon and see what you find. - Original Message - From: Donald L. Roberts donald.robert...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:05 PM Subject: turntables I am wondering whether anyone on list can recommend a turntable which will play 78 RPM records. Not crazy about USB because of the problems that some folks have had. I have some old 78s saved since childhood which I would enjoy playing, so I don't want to sink much money into it. I do have a preamp which has the appropriate equalization settings for a magnetic cartridge, but I will be lucky to find anything as I am sure that most low cost turntables will have ceramic cartridges and probably will be USB. So I would appreciate ideas. Don Roberts To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: user friendly turntables
Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Well for one thing its good to have a lever or button to lift the arm automatically. Less chance of scratching. But I agree, a proper turntable and amp will do it. Also some of these new USB things might have touch pad buttons rather than buttons and knobs. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan To: PC Audio Discussion List Cc: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:37 PM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I wouldn't bother with that one. I read reviews on it and they were not good. I called Speak To Me to find out about it and the guy I talked with knew almost nothing about it. All he could give me was a brand name which I have forgotten already. For less money, you can get a turntable to use with your puter. I bought an ionaudio that works well and Mary Emerson reviewed a Sony model that she liked. earlier, Victoria Vaughan, wrote: Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org John Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 30°F Wind:N-360° at 3mph Money isn't everything. - It isn't even enough! Created by Weather Signature v1.31 http://www.weathersig.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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the other problem with direct to cd is that you cannot remove all the clicks and pops that accumulate over the years from taking the album out of the sleeve. - Original Message - From: john schwery jschw...@embarqmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:32 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables I wouldn't bother with that one. I read reviews on it and they were not good. I called Speak To Me to find out about it and the guy I talked with knew almost nothing about it. All he could give me was a brand name which I have forgotten already. For less money, you can get a turntable to use with your puter. I bought an ionaudio that works well and Mary Emerson reviewed a Sony model that she liked. earlier, Victoria Vaughan, wrote: Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org John Currently in Ocala, Florida Clear, 30°F Wind:N-360° at 3mph Money isn't everything. - It isn't even enough! Created by Weather Signature v1.31 . http://www.weathersig.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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You're welcome. Happy recording! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Dane, Arn't you the lucky one! why the hell did you bother to reply? with your experience obviously you have adopted a certain technique not to scratch your records when positioning the stylus, so in your world is there no room for newcommers to practice copying lp's to a computer or dare pose a question about turntables. visionwise and healthwise some people are not as fortunate as you, so how dare you criticise anyone asking or answering a question. Have you not thought of collapsing your mail when certain threads fall below yourextremely high standards? Have a day off Dane, John Poole. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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All I am going to say is, john, you are right. Kim Kelly: Alternate Email: kim...@samobile.net Visit my web site: http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Friends are like sunshine, They always know when to shine on you and make you feel better when you are feeling Down. - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:06 PM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Dane, Arn't you the lucky one! why the hell did you bother to reply? with your experience obviously you have adopted a certain technique not to scratch your records when positioning the stylus, so in your world is there no room for newcommers to practice copying lp's to a computer or dare pose a question about turntables. visionwise and healthwise some people are not as fortunate as you, so how dare you criticise anyone asking or answering a question. Have you not thought of collapsing your mail when certain threads fall below yourextremely high standards? Have a day off Dane, John Poole. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Don't forget old yucky ceramic cartridges like they used to put in cheap garbage turntables back in our day. Ick! Best to stay with the old stuff, though admittedly I can't fine a replacement stylus for my M91ED cartridge. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:37 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Cc: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5667 (20101202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5668 (20101202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: user friendly turntables
Right on, John. Don't the I-sheep ever sleep? At 06:06 PM 12/2/2010, you wrote: Dane, Arn't you the lucky one! why the hell did you bother to reply? with your experience obviously you have adopted a certain technique not to scratch your records when positioning the stylus, so in your world is there no room for newcommers to practice copying lp's to a computer or dare pose a question about turntables. visionwise and healthwise some people are not as fortunate as you, so how dare you criticise anyone asking or answering a question. Have you not thought of collapsing your mail when certain threads fall below yourextremely high standards? Have a day off Dane, John Poole. - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan grtd...@internode.on.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: user friendly turntables
that should be a common sure cartridge like the M-95-ED.. I'll bet you can get a replacement Electrovoice stylus for it. I used to have both of them. the only thing is to find stores that sell phonograph needles these days. - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 9:32 PM Subject: RE: user friendly turntables Don't forget old yucky ceramic cartridges like they used to put in cheap garbage turntables back in our day. Ick! Best to stay with the old stuff, though admittedly I can't fine a replacement stylus for my M91ED cartridge. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:37 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Cc: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5667 (20101202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5668 (20101202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: user friendly turntables
Man, We surely know about hard to find cartridges. We had to pay About $45.00 for one. Kim Kelly: Alternate Email: kim...@samobile.net Visit my web site: http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Friends are like sunshine, They always know when to shine on you and make you feel better when you are feeling Down. - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 6:32 PM Subject: RE: user friendly turntables Don't forget old yucky ceramic cartridges like they used to put in cheap garbage turntables back in our day. Ick! Best to stay with the old stuff, though admittedly I can't fine a replacement stylus for my M91ED cartridge. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 2:37 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Cc: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Well I'm not going to read a whole thread of email but the subject line intrigues me, what has to be user friendly about a turntable? I've been using them for nearly 40 years and in that time it hasn't caused me too much of a strain to put the needle on the old long playing record so given all that why can't people do that now. And in any case, why buy a USB turntable? Most of the older models and a lot of the newer models are far better than some of those USB cheap things I've seen, plastic tone arms for one thing so really again, if you're serious about putting record to computer then buy a proper turntable that plugs into an amp, you can get preempts if you need them for your sound card and then? Well go your hardest with your favorite audio sampling software. So what am I missing here? User friendly turntables, next we'll be looking for user-friendly light switches, user-friendly food plates and bowls etc. Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048 On 02/12/2010, at 9:04 PM, john poole pool...@btinternet.com wrote: Brilliant Vicky! Much appreciated, John. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:30 AM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5667 (20101202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5668 (20101202) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
user friendly turntables
Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: user friendly turntables
Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: user friendly turntables
Thanks for the site. Kim Kelly: Alternate Email: kim...@samobile.net Visit my web site: http://www.samobile.net/users/kimk59/ Friends are like sunshine, They always know when to shine on you and make you feel better when you are feeling Down. - Original Message - From: Victoria Vaughan vrvaug...@mailzone.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: Re: user friendly turntables Hi John, Go to: www.speaktomecatalog.com and there you will find a turn table that will record to a writable CD. Good luck! Vicky - Original Message - From: john poole pool...@btinternet.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 7:57 PM Subject: user friendly turntables Hi All, Is there any blind friendly turntable that is available to copy vynl records into the computer? Yours thankfully, Johnp. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
digital turntables question
Hi All, I wish to put some lp's on cd. Currently I am recording them in via Adobe 1.5 , track by track and running the noise reduction option on each track. I'd like a USB digital turntable since data transfer is quicker or other device that would notice the silence between tracks and record each separate into a folder on my computer or hard drive in the turntable that could be transftered to the computer. Is there such a device and where can I find it? I'd like to put many lp's to cd next year after I retire and maybe do this as a side job for locals. Not suggesting anything illegal, just putting famly collections to cd for better sound quality after a lp is scratched etc. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi! I'm just wondering if anyone had considered or had purchased the Teac Turntable which was reviewed in the Silicon Chip Magazine a couple of years ago? http://www.siliconchip.com.au Whilst its not the absolute top of the line turntable, it certainly made the transfer of records to CD a far easier job as it contained a CD recorder which would write to both CD-R and CD-RW thus illiminating the need for a computer to do that job. This unit will play 78 RPM records quite well and also has a radio built-in, quite a good quality unit according to the review, this review was part of a series discussing turntables, how to transfer your music to your computer, polishing the results, various kinds of turntables available on the market today, the history of audio recording and so on. On 18/10/2009, at 6:28 AM, dan thompson wrote: Hi All, I wish to put some lp's on cd. Currently I am recording them in via Adobe 1.5 , track by track and running the noise reduction option on each track. I'd like a USB digital turntable since data transfer is quicker or other device that would notice the silence between tracks and record each separate into a folder on my computer or hard drive in the turntable that could be transftered to the computer. Is there such a device and where can I find it? I'd like to put many lp's to cd next year after I retire and maybe do this as a side job for locals. Not suggesting anything illegal, just putting famly collections to cd for better sound quality after a lp is scratched etc. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
I still like hi fi music through my surround sound. I like the sound of being right in the middle of the action. My opinion is that that's the way music should sound, but that's just me. - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Haven't got to the start of this thread, but oh my Word, fancy this coming up again. Agree with Steve Green about the snap crackle and pop, but these almost religeous disputes have gone on for ever, or since early recording history. there were and maybe still are, those who praised acoustic recording over electircal recording, and by itself that hints at more than a touch of the off the wall sort of attitudes around this. Yep, Hi Fi separates are good and even better, but there are some good integrated units about from high end manufacturers. I've had a QUAD audio system (British Hi Fi maker, now Chinese owned, for some 30 years or more and it sounds good and I've never had it repaired. In the end it is all subjective but I gave up on Hi Fi magazines when one reviewer pronounced that while auditioning a low-mid price system in his upstairs study, he could hear his wife downstairs playing the no compromise system down stairs, and despite the floor boards and carpets in between the system had more subtlety even through these than the more modest affair he was listening too. If you believe this sort of thing then you're on a different plannet to me! Ray. (Hoping this message gets through as Plusnet's giving me a hard time today.) Ray STEPHEN GREEN wrote: Oh, you can always hear the difference with vinyl - it goes click click pop flutter pop crackle wow click. Steve Green - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
You can get a USB sound turntable at Radioshack, I don't remember the brand name. Sincerely, Jason known as Blind Fury windowslive contact kb3...@msn.com skype contact kb3icc - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain cchalt...@austin.rr.com To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
i love a good quality sound i come from the years of vinyel, and tapes and the like. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:31 AM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today I still like hi fi music through my surround sound. I like the sound of being right in the middle of the action. My opinion is that that's the way music should sound, but that's just me. - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Haven't got to the start of this thread, but oh my Word, fancy this coming up again. Agree with Steve Green about the snap crackle and pop, but these almost religeous disputes have gone on for ever, or since early recording history. there were and maybe still are, those who praised acoustic recording over electircal recording, and by itself that hints at more than a touch of the off the wall sort of attitudes around this. Yep, Hi Fi separates are good and even better, but there are some good integrated units about from high end manufacturers. I've had a QUAD audio system (British Hi Fi maker, now Chinese owned, for some 30 years or more and it sounds good and I've never had it repaired. In the end it is all subjective but I gave up on Hi Fi magazines when one reviewer pronounced that while auditioning a low-mid price system in his upstairs study, he could hear his wife downstairs playing the no compromise system down stairs, and despite the floor boards and carpets in between the system had more subtlety even through these than the more modest affair he was listening too. If you believe this sort of thing then you're on a different plannet to me! Ray. (Hoping this message gets through as Plusnet's giving me a hard time today.) Ray STEPHEN GREEN wrote: Oh, you can always hear the difference with vinyl - it goes click click pop flutter pop crackle wow click. Steve Green - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Oh, you can always hear the difference with vinyl - it goes click click pop flutter pop crackle wow click. Steve Green - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Not on decent equipment with a clean needle and record... - Original Message - From: STEPHEN GREEN stephen.t...@ntlworld.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:52 AM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Oh, you can always hear the difference with vinyl - it goes click click pop flutter pop crackle wow click. Steve Green - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from
RE: High fidelty and turntables today
Hi Bruce. I think what you say will only allow an individual to decide what he prefers. There is no definitive answer as to what format is superior as it always depends on what sounds good to any individual's ears. As to the Technical debate, well one could argue over this until the cows come home. In the end it is all about the music and many years ago I discovered that I an my friends were listening to the equipment and not what was being played upon it and thus, we were never satisfied. Now I listen to the music and try to get as much clarity as possible but if I enjoy what I hear, it doesn't matter what it is played on. Walter. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]on Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: 08 June 2009 06:04 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went
RE: High fidelty and turntables today
You are quite correct, of course. I wasn't clear enough in my message. Thanks for adding this, I totally agree. Bruce On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:15:48 +0100, Walter Ramage w...@blueyonder.co.uk said: Hi Bruce. I think what you say will only allow an individual to decide what he prefers. There is no definitive answer as to what format is superior as it always depends on what sounds good to any individual's ears. As to the Technical debate, well one could argue over this until the cows come home. In the end it is all about the music and many years ago I discovered that I an my friends were listening to the equipment and not what was being played upon it and thus, we were never satisfied. Now I listen to the music and try to get as much clarity as possible but if I enjoy what I hear, it doesn't matter what it is played on. Walter. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]on Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: 08 June 2009 06:04 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Haven't got to the start of this thread, but oh my Word, fancy this coming up again. Agree with Steve Green about the snap crackle and pop, but these almost religeous disputes have gone on for ever, or since early recording history. there were and maybe still are, those who praised acoustic recording over electircal recording, and by itself that hints at more than a touch of the off the wall sort of attitudes around this. Yep, Hi Fi separates are good and even better, but there are some good integrated units about from high end manufacturers. I've had a QUAD audio system (British Hi Fi maker, now Chinese owned, for some 30 years or more and it sounds good and I've never had it repaired. In the end it is all subjective but I gave up on Hi Fi magazines when one reviewer pronounced that while auditioning a low-mid price system in his upstairs study, he could hear his wife downstairs playing the no compromise system down stairs, and despite the floor boards and carpets in between the system had more subtlety even through these than the more modest affair he was listening too. If you believe this sort of thing then you're on a different plannet to me! Ray. (Hoping this message gets through as Plusnet's giving me a hard time today.) Ray STEPHEN GREEN wrote: Oh, you can always hear the difference with vinyl - it goes click click pop flutter pop crackle wow click. Steve Green - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:03 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump
Re: High fidelty and turntables today
Chirstopher, only just got around to the first post - yours - in this thread. No, a turntable by itself won't be enough. You need a very high quality preamplifier to go between the turntable and the PC. You could by a preamp that handles magnetic cartridges which have a very low output - moving coil cartridges from people like Ortofon are even more feble in their output and need a really special and sensitive preamp. Separate preamps can be found, but I'm not into the HI Fi world enough these days to give names of manufacturers, and especially if, as I suspect, you are in the US. Hope that helps a bit. (By the way, the vinyl would have to be in tip top condition to justify all this expenditure. Ray Christopher Chaltain wrote: I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I will never forget, though, an article I read some time ago about a study done in Britain. In it, they got together a bunch of die-hard audiofiles. They used the highes-end equipment, they used the same speakers and other equipment for all the tests, but they played music from CD and from vinyl. The subjects did not know which was the CD, which was the vinyl, or sometimes if the same medium were being played twice. Sometimes they heard only vinyl or only CD, they just had no idea, and they were asked to rate it. In many of the cases, subjects were convinced that they were listening to a vinyl recording and that it was vastly superior to the CD recording they'd heard, when in fact both times they'd heard the same recording. Overall, the study concluded, the preference was subjective and stemmed from existing biases. If a person has decided that vinyl does and always will sound better, then that is the case in their mind. Two sounds can be identical in every way, but for some people, if they believe one of them is vinyl while the other is not, they will vehemently insist that the vinyl one is superior, usually employing the enigmatically ondescript term warmer. Bruce On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:02:58 -0400, Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net said: Most audio files that make a living listening to audio will swear that vinyl is the best, as it has a warmth that can not be duplicated by listening to CD's. The analogy that I once heard is like someone putting a q tip in your ear and turning it around. Not quite sure what the person meant by saying that other than this individual might have suffered from listening fatigue by listening to a lot of CD's. Personally I prefer vinyl, but here again I come from the old school of audio tape and vinyl records. In the haste to convert vinyl to CD's record companies didn't take the time to remaster the first generation of some of those old chestnuts that we grew up with in the 60's and 70's, and simply massed produced them flooding the marketplace with inferior quality product hoping that the gullibable public wouldn't notice the difference, as they would be playing the recording on home equipment that simply wouldn't measure up to professional studio audio. Home audio has come a long way over the past ten years or so, and is as good as some of the bottom line of professional broadcast equipment. Most broadcasters use off the shelf CD players in their studios, and if the CD player breaks down they simply throw it away and get a new one. A professional broadcast CD player will cost in the range of 2 to 3 grand. If listening to a radio station I don't think that you will notice a difference between an off the shelf home unit or a unit that is labelled as being professional. The professional units tend to be built better and take a licking and keep on ticking. When it comes to turntables broadcasters prefer the professional line of Technique, as the professional line has a variable pitch control. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today You are quite correct, of course. I wasn't clear enough in my message. Thanks for adding this, I totally agree. Bruce On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:15:48 +0100, Walter Ramage w...@blueyonder.co.uk said: Hi Bruce. I think what you say will only allow an individual to decide what he prefers. There is no definitive answer as to what format is superior as it always depends on what sounds good to any individual's ears. As to the Technical debate, well one could argue over this until the cows come home. In the end it is all about the music and many years ago I discovered that I an my friends were listening to the equipment and not what was being played upon it and thus, we were never satisfied. Now I listen to the music and try to get as much clarity as possible but if I enjoy what I hear, it doesn't matter what it is played on. Walter. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]on Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: 08 June 2009 06:04 To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like
High fidelty and turntables today
I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Youa re going to get conflicting responses about this. Some will advocate a USB Turntable for the PC, but I personally think that defeats the purpose of why one would want such a thing. Yes, fidelity is higher with Turntables, open reels, etc. A PC would need a phono input to plug a turntable in. Phonos, as you should know, are preamplified. You are going to need to start building a high fidelity system for such a purpose. I'm not as up on the high fi world as I used to be even a few short years ago (I'm only 20), being more computer minded now, but I do think you're gonna have to do that now. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain cchalt...@austin.rr.com To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Oops, and inmy last message, I forgot to explain why USB Turntables aren't all that great, and that is because they're not built for fidelity, rather, they're built for in-expense, E.G. poor preamps. - Original Message - From: Nick G n...@hkcradio.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Youa re going to get conflicting responses about this. Some will advocate a USB Turntable for the PC, but I personally think that defeats the purpose of why one would want such a thing. Yes, fidelity is higher with Turntables, open reels, etc. A PC would need a phono input to plug a turntable in. Phonos, as you should know, are preamplified. You are going to need to start building a high fidelity system for such a purpose. I'm not as up on the high fi world as I used to be even a few short years ago (I'm only 20), being more computer minded now, but I do think you're gonna have to do that now. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain cchalt...@austin.rr.com To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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it has to do with the quality of sound card and the quality of cartridge in the turntable. Stanton would be a good quality cartridge, and some type of delta sound card with balanced ins and outs would be a good quality setup. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain cchalt...@austin.rr.com To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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And I believe ceramic cartridges also! -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Nick G Sent: 07 June 2009 09:57 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Oops, and inmy last message, I forgot to explain why USB Turntables aren't all that great, and that is because they're not built for fidelity, rather, they're built for in-expense, E.G. poor preamps. - Original Message - From: Nick G n...@hkcradio.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:52 PM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today Youa re going to get conflicting responses about this. Some will advocate a USB Turntable for the PC, but I personally think that defeats the purpose of why one would want such a thing. Yes, fidelity is higher with Turntables, open reels, etc. A PC would need a phono input to plug a turntable in. Phonos, as you should know, are preamplified. You are going to need to start building a high fidelity system for such a purpose. I'm not as up on the high fi world as I used to be even a few short years ago (I'm only 20), being more computer minded now, but I do think you're gonna have to do that now. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain cchalt...@austin.rr.com To: PC audio discussion list. pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: High fidelty and turntables today I'm not exactly sure how to ask this, but I'm hoping to get some pointers to more information and some advice. My son is asking for a turntable for his birthday. I assumed it was to access music he can only find on vinyl, but he says it's for higher sound quality than he can get off of CD's or MP3's. I still have the component based stereo system I built when I was younger, which currently includes a receiver, DVD player and DVR. I retired my turntable and VCR a while ago. I would not be surprised if such a system, with high quality components, could produce better sound than you'd get off of a PC or portable media player. I guess I'm wondering a couple of things. Is this true that you can get better sound quality out of a high fidelity system than you can from a PC or portable media player? If so, how would you go about building such a system today? Would you do what I did years ago and start assembling your components? Could I get him a nice turntable that he could hook up to his PC for now and then include in a component based stereo system down the road? Thanks for any advice or pointers people could provide me. I haven't started looking around on the web, but I'm assuming I'd be overwhelmed with the amount of information out there on such a topic. -- Christopher cchalt...@austin.rr.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.55/2160 - Release Date: 06/07/09 05:53:00 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old Duel or, Pioneer ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: Walter Ramage w...@blueyonder.co.uk To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4136 (20090606) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http
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OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old Duel or, Pioneer ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: Walter Ramagew...@blueyonder.co.uk To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits
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More than likely, you will need a phono pre-amp. Some inexpensive turntables have a built in one, but the higher end ones didn't. If you have to connect the turn table to the phono in on your amplifier or receiver, then you will need a pre-amp to use it with your PC. Hope this is helpful, /David -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:56 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old Duel or, Pioneer ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: Walter Ramagew...@blueyonder.co.uk To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which
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you are going to need a good preamp. once you hook up a preamp, then you have to determine if you have a moving magnet or moving coil cartridge. the latter will require a head amplifier. I have not known pioneer to come equipped with a moving coil cartridge. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain cchalt...@austin.rr.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:55 PM Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old Duel or, Pioneer ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: Walter Ramagew...@blueyonder.co.uk To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi
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Get a optamod equalizer as well and put it into the circuit, so that you can shape the audio to your liking, heheheh. - Original Message - From: David Edick mded...@yahoo.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today More than likely, you will need a phono pre-amp. Some inexpensive turntables have a built in one, but the higher end ones didn't. If you have to connect the turn table to the phono in on your amplifier or receiver, then you will need a pre-amp to use it with your PC. Hope this is helpful, /David -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:56 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: High fidelty and turntables today OK, thanks for all of the great advice! One question, assuming I have a good quality sound card, could I pull my 25 year old Pioneer out of the closet and hook it up to my PC? Would I need any equipment between the turntable and the soundcard in the PC? On 6/7/2009 3:46 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: Thanks Walter! Let me be Glib! A turn table with a ceramic cartgidge is comparrable to a CD player playing quality mp3 files ripped onto a compact disk. Your Son will find no joy using todays crappy USB turn tables. If your going to do this then at least make sure you find a classic mid range turn table with a quality diamond tip cartredge. All the manufactures made pretty good turn tables in the day but, I personally would go with an old Duel or, Pioneer ,and a quality diamond tip Sure cartridge if you can find one. BTW: Vinal is making a come back to a certain degree these dayze. So much for being Glibb LOL - Original Message - From: Walter Ramagew...@blueyonder.co.uk To: PC Audio Discussion Listpc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 2:34 PM Subject: RE: High fidelty and turntables today Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy
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The best way to do the vinyl versus CD test is blind, not knowing which you are hearing. If you do multiple, unpredictable trials of this manner, you will get a more unbiased opinion when you formulate one. Bruce On Sun, 7 Jun 2009, Walter Ramage wrote: Hi. In short the answer is yes, you will always get superior quality reproduction from dedicated Hi-Fi equipment. There has been and still is a raging debate between the exponents of Vinyl and CD. For the most part this debate is purely subjective since it really depends on your preferred listening experience. Some people like a very forward stereo image while others prefer the sound stage to be more set back behind the speakers. I have a friend who prefers his sound to be more recessed as I think it gives him a feeling of being in a concert hall, he is a great classical music fan and attends lots of concerts. Others enjoy a bright sound and yet others like firm and prominent bass. Promoters of the Vinyl will say that the sound is much warmer while the supporters of CD will say that CD is much more detailed all be it more clinical. The only way to compare what one prefers is to go to a specialist, and any good specialist will always recommend you listen to the product before purchasing and often have listening rooms in order to let you have a choice of different combination of equipment. In truth, you really do get what you pay for. I remember when I purchased a system some years ago; I was amazed just how by changing one amplifier for another, changed the sound quality. Even changing something as basic as the interconnects made a huge difference. Although you can audition the equipment, it isn't the same as having it in your own home and if you have a good relationship with any particular dealer they may allow you to take the equipment home and listen to it in situ. So vinyl versus CD is something each person must decide for himself or herself but bear in mind, Vinyl isn't as readily available as CD and it might take a bit of work tracking down the stuff your son is interested in. It is always wise to purchase audio separates as these components are designed with their purpose in mind where as combination systems always have some compromise whether it be the tuner, the CD player or the amplifier or speakers. As for the comparison between Hi-Fi components and PC or portable audio devices, in my opinion there is no competition. Basically a PC is a storage system and although it has the means of playing audio files, that isn't it's main purpose. You can get high quality sound cards but I fail to see how a?300 PC such as I am using now can compare with the ?1200 CD player on my Hi-Fi system. Another draw back is with file compression. MP3 files are the result of the original sound file being compressed to 10% of it's original size and hence has quality loss. These files are fine for their purpose but for serious listening, they lack quality. I listen to these files on my PC fed through a mid range HI-Fi system but for really serious listening I take the CD down to the big system and let it rip. I think it really depends on what your son wants to do and what he will be happy with a couple of years down the road. I think I will conclude with an illustration; Both a comfortable family car and a dump truck will get you from New York to California but I ask you, which would you prefer to travel in? On the other hand if you wanted to transport lots of garbage to the local dump, which vehicle would you rather use?If you want high quality sound reproduction then Hi-Fi separates is the route to take and the choice between CD and vinyl is a matter of personal choice after comparing the options. If you want a mass storage system for your audio files with a reasonably enjoyable listening experience then a good PC with a high quality sound card fed through a reasonable stereo system will do and you could enhance the sound quality by only listening to Wave files but that raises storage space questions. I'm sorry this has went on a bit but it isn't the sort of subject that merits a glib response. Walter. To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Thanks, Bob! Well if I don't get a turntable, maybe I'll just hunt around for that tape, and get some kind of cassette to PC type of thing. My brother was asking because he had the vinyl records. I want to copy them for him on CD if I can, but when I do it for myself, I'll put the albums on MP3 CD's. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 02/13/09 06:51:00 Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1952 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:29 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines
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Thanks, Gary! But unless someone has converted it to MP3 on a site, I don't know where to look. - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Bruce makes a good point. unless you have a recording that is so rare it is better to buy the album on disc or download the MP3 album and burn the disc. you're only out a couple bucks instead of buying equipment you'll use once or twice. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1952 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:29 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Amazon lists all sorts of CD's and MP3 downloadst by Mystic Moods Orchestra. I just looked. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: I would like that, but I checked on line about a couple of record albums from the Mystic Moods orchestra: Namely One Stormy Night and Emotions. I hear they were a group from San Francisco who did these albums in the 60s! And when I found out about those albums, I heard that they never made copies of those albums on CD! They used a lot of interesting sound effects, like thunder in One Stormy Night, and there was also a sound of a train that used the steam engine with the sound I remember before the Diesels. And the emotions album had other kinds of sounds as well! And also the music was good. It was relaxing! But nowhere is there a CD version of those albums, because they never did one. If anyone else wants to check, that's fine, but I think you'll have a dry run, like I did. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I like to hear music the way ti was recorded, but like Bob said, maybe a lot of changes get made to a recording between the way a record was initially made, and the time you hear it on the radio. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Not so, although you may think it is because you are playing it on the same equipment that it was recorded on. Take that same recording and bring it to a professional studio and you will quickly notice the difference. Having said that there are recording artists that record their songs at home in order to save money on professional recordings, and the quality of their recording is acceptable to be put on a CD. The standards for home recording equipment is improving dramatically, and definitely meets the standards of low end professional equipment. Most radio stations that play CD's on air use home equipment, as it is much cheaper, and when it breaks down they throw it away and simply get a new machine. Professional broadcast quality CD players sell for over two-thousand dollars for a single unit, and a home unit can be purchased for under a hundred bucks. You would be hard pressed to detect the difference in audio playback quality between a home and professional unit on a broadcast station. By the time that signal leaves the studio and ends up on your receiver it goes through a number of changes. Audio processing and equalization are just a few of these changes that take place in the chain of events between the studio, transmitter, and your receiver. Broadcast engineers do their best to make sure that the quality of their audio is as close as possible to the quality of the audio that leaves the studio. The best analogy that I can think of is a water treatment plant that cleans up your drinking water. To some people the taste of the water is acceptable, and to others the taste of chlorine in the water is unacceptable. The audio debate will definitely take on another form once we move into HD digital broadcast audio. Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables bruce i would have to respectifully disagree with you with a good home recording set up you can get the same pro recordings as the pro's do, and so for those of you who like to do the restoration of vinal, tapes, 78's and lps and reels and the like go for it - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device
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I would like that, but I checked on line about a couple of record albums from the Mystic Moods orchestra: Namely One Stormy Night and Emotions. I hear they were a group from San Francisco who did these albums in the 60s! And when I found out about those albums, I heard that they never made copies of those albums on CD! They used a lot of interesting sound effects, like thunder in One Stormy Night, and there was also a sound of a train that used the steam engine with the sound I remember before the Diesels. And the emotions album had other kinds of sounds as well! And also the music was good. It was relaxing! But nowhere is there a CD version of those albums, because they never did one. If anyone else wants to check, that's fine, but I think you'll have a dry run, like I did. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1952 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:29 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Gary: I had a couple of records recorded by my father in WWII and as they weren 't commercial and could not be replicated, I sent them to a place called deepskyaudio.com and had them duplicated. It was expensive but worth the service. I suggest that you consider this service if these disks are not readily available commercially. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary Wood Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:41 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Thanks, Bob! Well if I don't get a turntable, maybe I'll just hunt around for that tape, and get some kind of cassette to PC type of thing. My brother was asking because he had the vinyl records. I want to copy them for him on CD if I can, but when I do it for myself, I'll put the albums on MP3 CD's. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I could use Soundforge's noise reduction for those! - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables I thought the rotary head machines like the dat recorders were better for recording too, but like so many formats, they came and went. another example was the digital cassette machines that could play analog tapes also. by the time I decided to buy one they didn't make them any more. many noise reduction systems came and went too, like DBX which was one of my favorites, far superior to Dolby. you could do some real nice mastering, but it never caught on with the general public for home recording. companies like Sony and Philips float things out their but if the equipment isn't marketed properly or is to complex for the average consumer it won't fly. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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do you have an old turntable you could plug in to your sound car with a Preamp? this would be better than nothing. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Thanks, Bob! Well if I don't get a turntable, maybe I'll just hunt around for that tape, and get some kind of cassette to PC type of thing. My brother was asking because he had the vinyl records. I want to copy them for him on CD if I can, but when I do it for myself, I'll put the albums on MP3 CD's. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 02/13/09 06:51:00 Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http
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you could certainly do this. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables I could use Soundforge's noise reduction for those! - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables I thought the rotary head machines like the dat recorders were better for recording too, but like so many formats, they came and went. another example was the digital cassette machines that could play analog tapes also. by the time I decided to buy one they didn't make them any more. many noise reduction systems came and went too, like DBX which was one of my favorites, far superior to Dolby. you could do some real nice mastering, but it never caught on with the general public for home recording. companies like Sony and Philips float things out their but if the equipment isn't marketed properly or is to complex for the average consumer it won't fly. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release
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My brother still has one. I don't know how that would work with this computer, though. - Original Message - From: Gary G Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables do you have an old turntable you could plug in to your sound car with a Preamp? this would be better than nothing. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Thanks, Bob! Well if I don't get a turntable, maybe I'll just hunt around for that tape, and get some kind of cassette to PC type of thing. My brother was asking because he had the vinyl records. I want to copy them for him on CD if I can, but when I do it for myself, I'll put the albums on MP3 CD's. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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give it a try. this is what I still do! - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables My brother still has one. I don't know how that would work with this computer, though. - Original Message - From: Gary G Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:04 PM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables do you have an old turntable you could plug in to your sound car with a Preamp? this would be better than nothing. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:41 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Thanks, Bob! Well if I don't get a turntable, maybe I'll just hunt around for that tape, and get some kind of cassette to PC type of thing. My brother was asking because he had the vinyl records. I want to copy them for him on CD if I can, but when I do it for myself, I'll put the albums on MP3 CD's. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23
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Thanks, Bruce! - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Amazon lists all sorts of CD's and MP3 downloadst by Mystic Moods Orchestra. I just looked. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sun, 15 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: I would like that, but I checked on line about a couple of record albums from the Mystic Moods orchestra: Namely One Stormy Night and Emotions. I hear they were a group from San Francisco who did these albums in the 60s! And when I found out about those albums, I heard that they never made copies of those albums on CD! They used a lot of interesting sound effects, like thunder in One Stormy Night, and there was also a sound of a train that used the steam engine with the sound I remember before the Diesels. And the emotions album had other kinds of sounds as well! And also the music was good. It was relaxing! But nowhere is there a CD version of those albums, because they never did one. If anyone else wants to check, that's fine, but I think you'll have a dry run, like I did. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1953 - Release Date: 2/14/2009 6:01 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Thanks for the info, Ray and Gary! I'll have a look! I don't use vinyl any more, but my brother asked me if I could somehow transfer a couple of his to CD. I hope that I can, and maybe grab a copy for myself! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:36 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Gary Wood wrote: I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Bruce makes a good point. unless you have a recording that is so rare it is better to buy the album on disc or download the MP3 album and burn the disc. you're only out a couple bucks instead of buying equipment you'll use once or twice. - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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what about the Teac 350-G which allows you to dub vinyl to compact disc. then rip the disc to the hard drive if you want. clean up the files and remake the disc. you are talking about a lot of money for just a couple of vinyl restorations though. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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bruce i would have to respectifully disagree with you with a good home recording set up you can get the same pro recordings as the pro's do, and so for those of you who like to do the restoration of vinal, tapes, 78's and lps and reels and the like go for it - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I have one of those TEAC units, not sure of model, that I'm not using. It has rca jacks in the back for plugging in an external source such as a cassette deck. If you would like to buy it, write me off list. earlier, Gary Schindler, wrote: what about the Teac 350-G which allows you to dub vinyl to compact disc. then rip the disc to the hard drive if you want. clean up the files and remake the disc. you are talking about a lot of money for just a couple of vinyl restorations though. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1952 - Release Date: 02/13/09 18:29:00 John Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Not so, although you may think it is because you are playing it on the same equipment that it was recorded on. Take that same recording and bring it to a professional studio and you will quickly notice the difference. Having said that there are recording artists that record their songs at home in order to save money on professional recordings, and the quality of their recording is acceptable to be put on a CD. The standards for home recording equipment is improving dramatically, and definitely meets the standards of low end professional equipment. Most radio stations that play CD's on air use home equipment, as it is much cheaper, and when it breaks down they throw it away and simply get a new machine. Professional broadcast quality CD players sell for over two-thousand dollars for a single unit, and a home unit can be purchased for under a hundred bucks. You would be hard pressed to detect the difference in audio playback quality between a home and professional unit on a broadcast station. By the time that signal leaves the studio and ends up on your receiver it goes through a number of changes. Audio processing and equalization are just a few of these changes that take place in the chain of events between the studio, transmitter, and your receiver. Broadcast engineers do their best to make sure that the quality of their audio is as close as possible to the quality of the audio that leaves the studio. The best analogy that I can think of is a water treatment plant that cleans up your drinking water. To some people the taste of the water is acceptable, and to others the taste of chlorine in the water is unacceptable. The audio debate will definitely take on another form once we move into HD digital broadcast audio. Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables bruce i would have to respectifully disagree with you with a good home recording set up you can get the same pro recordings as the pro's do, and so for those of you who like to do the restoration of vinal, tapes, 78's and lps and reels and the like go for it - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray
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Part of the problem with DBX was that if you listened to a DBX-recorded tape on a non-DBX system, it sounded absolutely horrible. bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Schindler wrote: I thought the rotary head machines like the dat recorders were better for recording too, but like so many formats, they came and went. another example was the digital cassette machines that could play analog tapes also. by the time I decided to buy one they didn't make them any more. many noise reduction systems came and went too, like DBX which was one of my favorites, far superior to Dolby. you could do some real nice mastering, but it never caught on with the general public for home recording. companies like Sony and Philips float things out their but if the equipment isn't marketed properly or is to complex for the average consumer it won't fly. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc
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Now your talking, heheheh - Original Message - From: Keith Gillard kgill...@shaw.ca To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables 2 inch tape baby! You can't get that quality using home equipment. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Not so, although you may think it is because you are playing it on the same equipment that it was recorded on. Take that same recording and bring it to a professional studio and you will quickly notice the difference. Having said that there are recording artists that record their songs at home in order to save money on professional recordings, and the quality of their recording is acceptable to be put on a CD. The standards for home recording equipment is improving dramatically, and definitely meets the standards of low end professional equipment. Most radio stations that play CD's on air use home equipment, as it is much cheaper, and when it breaks down they throw it away and simply get a new machine. Professional broadcast quality CD players sell for over two-thousand dollars for a single unit, and a home unit can be purchased for under a hundred bucks. You would be hard pressed to detect the difference in audio playback quality between a home and professional unit on a broadcast station. By the time that signal leaves the studio and ends up on your receiver it goes through a number of changes. Audio processing and equalization are just a few of these changes that take place in the chain of events between the studio, transmitter, and your receiver. Broadcast engineers do their best to make sure that the quality of their audio is as close as possible to the quality of the audio that leaves the studio. The best analogy that I can think of is a water treatment plant that cleans up your drinking water. To some people the taste of the water is acceptable, and to others the taste of chlorine in the water is unacceptable. The audio debate will definitely take on another form once we move into HD digital broadcast audio. Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables bruce i would have to respectifully disagree with you with a good home recording set up you can get the same pro recordings as the pro's do, and so for those of you who like to do the restoration of vinal, tapes, 78's and lps and reels and the like go for it - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined
Re: Seeking information on USB turntables
Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 02/13/09 06:51:00 Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I thought the rotary head machines like the dat recorders were better for recording too, but like so many formats, they came and went. another example was the digital cassette machines that could play analog tapes also. by the time I decided to buy one they didn't make them any more. many noise reduction systems came and went too, like DBX which was one of my favorites, far superior to Dolby. you could do some real nice mastering, but it never caught on with the general public for home recording. companies like Sony and Philips float things out their but if the equipment isn't marketed properly or is to complex for the average consumer it won't fly. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 02/13/09 06:51:00 Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help
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You got that right. Another example was the Sony bayta system. According to many people that I have spoken with it was far superior over the VHS system. - Original Message - From: Gary Schindler garys5...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables I thought the rotary head machines like the dat recorders were better for recording too, but like so many formats, they came and went. another example was the digital cassette machines that could play analog tapes also. by the time I decided to buy one they didn't make them any more. many noise reduction systems came and went too, like DBX which was one of my favorites, far superior to Dolby. you could do some real nice mastering, but it never caught on with the general public for home recording. companies like Sony and Philips float things out their but if the equipment isn't marketed properly or is to complex for the average consumer it won't fly. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Does it really make a difference? After all the CD that you buy is a copy of the master, and that so called master might yet be a second or third generation of that same master. When CD's were introduced record companies simply made copies of inferior quality recordings with out remastering them with the latest technology in order to make a quick buck. A good ear should be able to detect poor audio on CD'S especially those oldies that were never cleaned up. Mis aligned recording and playback heads really stand out when playing an inferior CD. I would suggest that when copping vinyl to CD that you tweek the recording to the best of your ability and go from there. It is highly unlikely that you will get two people that will agree when it comes to audio quality. What may sound good to me might sound inferior to you. I still think that the DAT tape would have been the way to go, but unfortunately the DAT technology was not accepted by the public, although it was used quite extensively in the recording and broadcast industry. . . . . - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:11 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org
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2 inch tape baby! You can't get that quality using home equipment. - Original Message - From: Bob Seed bobs...@tbaytel.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Not so, although you may think it is because you are playing it on the same equipment that it was recorded on. Take that same recording and bring it to a professional studio and you will quickly notice the difference. Having said that there are recording artists that record their songs at home in order to save money on professional recordings, and the quality of their recording is acceptable to be put on a CD. The standards for home recording equipment is improving dramatically, and definitely meets the standards of low end professional equipment. Most radio stations that play CD's on air use home equipment, as it is much cheaper, and when it breaks down they throw it away and simply get a new machine. Professional broadcast quality CD players sell for over two-thousand dollars for a single unit, and a home unit can be purchased for under a hundred bucks. You would be hard pressed to detect the difference in audio playback quality between a home and professional unit on a broadcast station. By the time that signal leaves the studio and ends up on your receiver it goes through a number of changes. Audio processing and equalization are just a few of these changes that take place in the chain of events between the studio, transmitter, and your receiver. Broadcast engineers do their best to make sure that the quality of their audio is as close as possible to the quality of the audio that leaves the studio. The best analogy that I can think of is a water treatment plant that cleans up your drinking water. To some people the taste of the water is acceptable, and to others the taste of chlorine in the water is unacceptable. The audio debate will definitely take on another form once we move into HD digital broadcast audio. Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables bruce i would have to respectifully disagree with you with a good home recording set up you can get the same pro recordings as the pro's do, and so for those of you who like to do the restoration of vinal, tapes, 78's and lps and reels and the like go for it - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Gary Wood wrote: Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I
Re: Seeking information on USB turntables
The water example is an excellent one, speaking as one who can't stand the taste of chlorine. Thanks for this very good message. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Bob Seed wrote: Not so, although you may think it is because you are playing it on the same equipment that it was recorded on. Take that same recording and bring it to a professional studio and you will quickly notice the difference. Having said that there are recording artists that record their songs at home in order to save money on professional recordings, and the quality of their recording is acceptable to be put on a CD. The standards for home recording equipment is improving dramatically, and definitely meets the standards of low end professional equipment. Most radio stations that play CD's on air use home equipment, as it is much cheaper, and when it breaks down they throw it away and simply get a new machine. Professional broadcast quality CD players sell for over two-thousand dollars for a single unit, and a home unit can be purchased for under a hundred bucks. You would be hard pressed to detect the difference in audio playback quality between a home and professional unit on a broadcast station. By the time that signal leaves the studio and ends up on your receiver it goes through a number of changes. Audio processing and equalization are just a few of these changes that take place in the chain of events between the studio, transmitter, and your receiver. Broadcast engineers do their best to make sure that the quality of their audio is as close as possible to the quality of the audio that leaves the studio. The best analogy that I can think of is a water treatment plant that cleans up your drinking water. To some people the taste of the water is acceptable, and to others the taste of chlorine in the water is unacceptable. The audio debate will definitely take on another form once we move into HD digital broadcast audio. Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables bruce i would have to respectifully disagree with you with a good home recording set up you can get the same pro recordings as the pro's do, and so for those of you who like to do the restoration of vinal, tapes, 78's and lps and reels and the like go for it - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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i would agree with the HD broadcasting audio spectrum cause that is a totally different horse of another color all together which i would be glad to see happen sooner then later . - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables The water example is an excellent one, speaking as one who can't stand the taste of chlorine. Thanks for this very good message. Bruce -- Bruce Toews Proud JAWS User Skype ID: o.canada E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: br...@ogts.net LiveJournal: http://masterofmusings.livejournal.com Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): http://www.ogts.net Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com On Sat, 14 Feb 2009, Bob Seed wrote: Not so, although you may think it is because you are playing it on the same equipment that it was recorded on. Take that same recording and bring it to a professional studio and you will quickly notice the difference. Having said that there are recording artists that record their songs at home in order to save money on professional recordings, and the quality of their recording is acceptable to be put on a CD. The standards for home recording equipment is improving dramatically, and definitely meets the standards of low end professional equipment. Most radio stations that play CD's on air use home equipment, as it is much cheaper, and when it breaks down they throw it away and simply get a new machine. Professional broadcast quality CD players sell for over two-thousand dollars for a single unit, and a home unit can be purchased for under a hundred bucks. You would be hard pressed to detect the difference in audio playback quality between a home and professional unit on a broadcast station. By the time that signal leaves the studio and ends up on your receiver it goes through a number of changes. Audio processing and equalization are just a few of these changes that take place in the chain of events between the studio, transmitter, and your receiver. Broadcast engineers do their best to make sure that the quality of their audio is as close as possible to the quality of the audio that leaves the studio. The best analogy that I can think of is a water treatment plant that cleans up your drinking water. To some people the taste of the water is acceptable, and to others the taste of chlorine in the water is unacceptable. The audio debate will definitely take on another form once we move into HD digital broadcast audio. Original Message - From: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables bruce i would have to respectifully disagree with you with a good home recording set up you can get the same pro recordings as the pro's do, and so for those of you who like to do the restoration of vinal, tapes, 78's and lps and reels and the like go for it - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Are professionally-produced CD's of the albums you're interested in not available? They may well have much better sound than anything you could produce with home-grown equipment. Bruce Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Actually, I would really appreciate the same information, though I may try to use what we have on hand. We got a so-called modern turntable and it has one of those silly ceramic cartridges. Maybe this doesn't make a difference if you have the right program. So information also appreciated. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walt Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:05 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm currently considering the purchase of a USB turntable to aid in converting my extensive and, in some cases, rare vinyl collection to digital and would appreciate any information, suggestions, guidance, etc., from list members regarding the subject. Suggestions of hardware and software to consider or avoid, tips on conversion, and any other input will be very sincerely appreciated. If you've had any experience with a USB turntable, I definitely would like to hear from you. You can reply on the list or, if you prefer, mail me directly at the e-mail address below. Thanks in advance. -- Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL ka3...@tampabay.rr.com Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 2/12/2009 6:46 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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try to look at what Crowsly has on the www.crowsly.com or look for a Newmark USB turntable which also has RCA line outputs on it too. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood k8...@comcast.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:56 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Actually, I would really appreciate the same information, though I may try to use what we have on hand. We got a so-called modern turntable and it has one of those silly ceramic cartridges. Maybe this doesn't make a difference if you have the right program. So information also appreciated. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walt Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:05 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm currently considering the purchase of a USB turntable to aid in converting my extensive and, in some cases, rare vinyl collection to digital and would appreciate any information, suggestions, guidance, etc., from list members regarding the subject. Suggestions of hardware and software to consider or avoid, tips on conversion, and any other input will be very sincerely appreciated. If you've had any experience with a USB turntable, I definitely would like to hear from you. You can reply on the list or, if you prefer, mail me directly at the e-mail address below. Thanks in advance. -- Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL ka3...@tampabay.rr.com Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1950 - Release Date: 2/12/2009 6:46 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Gary Wood wrote: I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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What I want to know is whether any of these so-called USB turntables have a decent cartridge. As far as I know, the ones I have heard about have only ceramic cartridges; no magnetics as far as I know. Don Roberts - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Gary Wood wrote: I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: 13 February 2009 12:36 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Gary Wood wrote: I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1947 - Release Date: 2009/02/11 06:11 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1947 - Release Date: 2009/02/11 06:11 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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I doubt it very much since a good magnetic cartridge costs more than the USB turntable itself. - Original Message - From: Donald L. Roberts donald_roberts...@yahoo.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:52 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables What I want to know is whether any of these so-called USB turntables have a decent cartridge. As far as I know, the ones I have heard about have only ceramic cartridges; no magnetics as far as I know. Don Roberts - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 2:36 AM Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Gary Wood wrote: I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van Deventer Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:07 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: 13 February 2009 12:36 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Gary Wood wrote: I would like to know if there's such an animal as a cassette recorder or player with a built-in turntable. I would like to take some of my cassettes and maybe a vinal or two and put them on the harddrive, so I can burn them to CD's! Anyone know about this? - Original Message - From: Dave McElroy WA6BEF d...@drakelroy.com To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1947 - Release Date: 2009/02/11 06:11 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1947 - Release Date: 2009/02/11 06:11 PM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Seeking information on USB turntables
Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Seeking information on USB turntables
Well maybe I'LL have to settle for getting a cassette deck that plugs into my computer and putting the cassette copy I have on the harddrive, and then transfer to CD, but a problem with this is that then, it's a second generation copy, and I hear those aren't as good as a first one! - Original Message - From: Ray rays-h...@raynetbrm.plus.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:11 PM Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables Must say Dave, simply from my impressions of the ION USB turntable I saw, the build quality didn't seem impressive so I'm inclined to think these turntables are very basic performers technically. I'd much sooner go for a Hi Fi turntable with magnetic cartridge and a good pre-amp. These cost! Either that or consider using a company doing vinyl transfer as a paid-for service. After all is said though, depends entirely on how critical you are about sound quality. I've yet to start transfering my treasured vinyls but I know it is going to be time-consuming. Hope these thoughts are of some help. Ray. Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: In a word, awful. lol -Original Message- On Behalf Of André van Deventer Subject: RE: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm just wondering what quality of turntable these will be. -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ray Subject: Re: Seeking information on USB turntables Well, there were such things as Music Centres - as we called them here in Brittain - which combined turntables with cassette decs. Still we're talking 'old' here, and I guess you want a USB hardware device that does the two. I've not seen an USB combi anywhere for transfering old anoalogue stuff. I know here a brand called ION has seemingly cornered the market in three seperate units that do vinyl records, audio cassettes, and VHS videos. So I if you've not held on to the various old stuff that could have done this via hooking through a converter, then this is the only way to go. Ray. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.23/1951 - Release Date: 2/13/2009 6:51 AM Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
RE: Seeking information on USB turntables
Actually, I would really appreciate the same information, though I may try to use what we have on hand. We got a so-called modern turntable and it has one of those silly ceramic cartridges. Maybe this doesn't make a difference if you have the right program. So information also appreciated. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Walt Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:05 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: Seeking information on USB turntables I'm currently considering the purchase of a USB turntable to aid in converting my extensive and, in some cases, rare vinyl collection to digital and would appreciate any information, suggestions, guidance, etc., from list members regarding the subject. Suggestions of hardware and software to consider or avoid, tips on conversion, and any other input will be very sincerely appreciated. If you've had any experience with a USB turntable, I definitely would like to hear from you. You can reply on the list or, if you prefer, mail me directly at the e-mail address below. Thanks in advance. -- Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL ka3...@tampabay.rr.com Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Seeking information on USB turntables
I'm currently considering the purchase of a USB turntable to aid in converting my extensive and, in some cases, rare vinyl collection to digital and would appreciate any information, suggestions, guidance, etc., from list members regarding the subject. Suggestions of hardware and software to consider or avoid, tips on conversion, and any other input will be very sincerely appreciated. If you've had any experience with a USB turntable, I definitely would like to hear from you. You can reply on the list or, if you prefer, mail me directly at the e-mail address below. Thanks in advance. -- Walt Smith - Clearwater, FL ka3...@tampabay.rr.com Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: shelf top systems or turntables
High Randy, You can get little shelf systems that have a vintage look, but today's technology. You can check them out at: http://www.crosleyradio.com I hope this helps. John - Original Message - From: Randy Tijerina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:53 AM Subject: shelf top systems or turntables friends, I am not sure if i asked this question or not. I'm looking for a good not so big desktop stereo that has a turntable. I want to listen to and record my records. any brands that are good or where to look for starters? meaning, what sites? Randy. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1085 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 10:35 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: shelf top systems or turntables
how easy are they to set up? and cna i connect it to my machine via usb port? - Original Message - From: DJ DOCTOR P [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:46 AM Subject: Re: shelf top systems or turntables High Randy, You can get little shelf systems that have a vintage look, but today's technology. You can check them out at: http://www.crosleyradio.com I hope this helps. John - Original Message - From: Randy Tijerina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC audio discussion list. Pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 1:53 AM Subject: shelf top systems or turntables friends, I am not sure if i asked this question or not. I'm looking for a good not so big desktop stereo that has a turntable. I want to listen to and record my records. any brands that are good or where to look for starters? meaning, what sites? Randy. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.15.5/1085 - Release Date: 10/22/2007 10:35 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
shelf top systems or turntables
friends, I am not sure if i asked this question or not. I'm looking for a good not so big desktop stereo that has a turntable. I want to listen to and record my records. any brands that are good or where to look for starters? meaning, what sites? Randy. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
