Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread jcoyle
Not yet - but it was once a close-run thing!

John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia


- Original Message - 
From: wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S


SNIP 
 Feroze,
 Don't worry about it you'll soon lose it. Problem solved.
 Hands up everyone who's lost the eyepiece cover off their MZ-S
 (me, twice)
 
 Wendy Beard,
 Ottawa, Canada
 http://www.beard-redfern.com
 
 
 




RE: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread Scott Nelson
On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 21:48, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
 Here's my opinion on TC's:
 
 They Suck compared to real primes at the desired
 focal length. Especially for 35mm use. I have
 one for 6X7 that degrades quality just like the
 35mm ones do but at least with 6X7 the quality
 level is still acceptable. 35mm Lenses are cheap,
 why not just buy the focal lengths you want ( hint,
 for 35mm I have everything from 15 to 1000mm ).
 JCO
 

J.C,

There no need to use such antagonistic language to express your opinion.
When I first read your email I thought I ought to post an equally hard
nosed response, but that's how flame wars get started.

While you may find 35mm lenses to be inexpensive, as a student I do
not.  I was interested in this TC because for $45, I would be hard
pressed to find a telephone prime lens.  Would you care to suggest any
good, inexpensive telephoto primes in the 200mm-300mm range.

The other reason I'm enquiring about this particular TC is for it's
macro capability.  Currently I'm using a Pentax 50m/1.7 on extension
tubes. I've enjoyed the photography, and the pictures, but I find
swapping the tubes around to be quite awkward.

-Scott




Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread Gary J Sibio
At 12:52 PM 12/11/2002 -0800, you wrote:

I seem to recall hearing good things about this TC, but a search of the
PDML archives didn't turn up anything useful.  Has anyone got one?  How
do you like it?  If I did pick one up, I'd be using it with a 135/2.5
and a 50/1.7.



I used it with both of those lenses and loved the results I got. Using it 
with the 135mm and the Vivitar 283 flash with one layer of handkerchief 
over the flashhead as a diffuser got me some very nice dragonfly closeups.


Gary J Sibio
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.earthlink.net/~garysibio/

Time flies like an arrow.
Fruit flies like bananas.  




Re: MIR-47K 2,5/20mm - problems

2002-12-12 Thread Chris Stoddart

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Dan Scott wrote:

 I've read somewhere that MZ and MX users should file away a bit of
 the incredibly thick aluminum ring the filters are set into, which is
 supposed to fix the problem you mention.

And Program A/Program Plus users :-( I found out the hard way, now my
mirror has a tiny nick in it. LX is OK tho.

Chris




Re[2]: ZX5-N/MZ-S flash compensation

2002-12-12 Thread Alin Flaider

  Hi David,

  Some years ago by the time the 5N was just released, a well known
  and appreciated pdml member - Roberto Burgos (who unfortunately has
  left the group for some time now) conducted a formal test of the
  MZ-5N flash compensation under controlled conditions ( flashmeter,
  studio, camera loaded with film). He found out that the flash
  compensation was handled quite precisely, except for the -0.5 EV
  and +0.5 EV compensations where the flash output only changed with
  -30% and +30%. Also according to his observations, the compensation
  changes the ambient light exposure as well, except for the manual
  mode. His findings were later confirmed by others including myself
  (in a less scientific manner - guessing from slides ;o) ).
  
  Back to your tests, you seem to have scooped a significant change in
  compensation implementation between the MZ-5N and the MZ-S. While
  the MZ-5N compensation affects both flash output and ambient light
  exposure in auto modes (and this is a well established fact), the
  MZ-S applies compensation only to the flash. Well, this must be a
  great news for the MZ-S owners having long complained about the lack
  of dedicated flash compensation control, just as it was for the 5N
  owners finding out they can still do flash compensation with their
  old-style, minimal controls camera.
  
  As for Pentax not publishing the complete capabilities of their
  products, not to mention advertising them... well, this is a story
  just as old as this list. From the cultural fracture between the
  development and marketing departments to the plain idiocy of the
  Pentax marketing, it all have been beaten to death. With no change
  from Pentax part.  :o(
 
  Servus, Alin

David wrote:

DW Max, I just today got an e-mail from the Pentax corporation confirming my 
DW observations--they said that the camera assumed the flash is the primary 
DW light source and the one the photographer would want to be able to 
DW adjust--and I think they are right, I just don't understand why they would 
DW leave this out of there manuals.  I tested this by putting my cameras (both 
DW the MZ-S and ZX5-N) on a tripod and attatching and unattatching the flash 
DW unit while moving the exposure compensation dial.  The data imprinting from 
DW the MZ-S on a roll of flash lit portraits also confirms that the apperature 
DW and shutter were not altered despite changing the exposure compensation dial 
DW in program mode.  I tried all 3 automatic modes, as well, with the same 
DW result.  This is great--I have control of my fill flash ratios with any 
DW flash on the camera, even the pop-up!  Why does nobody seem to know this?  
DW It seems important if you use a flash and have a pentax?




Naked without a camera.

2002-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I cannot understand the 'advantage' of inspecting every shot and deleting
as
one is shooting - to each their own.  I prefer to do the editing
post-shooting.

having the LCD always come on after a shot means you don't have to fumble
to turn it on when you need to look. that's why i don't turn mine off
anymore. the times i need it, i need it quickly.

Herb




Re: Displaying images on the web

2002-12-12 Thread Cotty
 I'm (as we say in England) dead chuffed. I snagged a 27 Gb ATA hard disk
 on ebay USA for 60 bucks and it came yesterday morning. I've managed to
 stack it with the existing 6 GB and it all works. I now have a 27 GB
 partitioned into 20 and 7, and the old 6 GB is now devoted to Photoshop
 as a scratch disk. The 27 Gig is a 7200 rpm drive and boy does that make
 a difference from 5600! This Mac flies!

I'm not sure I understand. With that 6meg drive your Mac must be quite old.
Not exactly a G4, heh?

6 Gig. It's a 1999 machine that I paid 450 GBP for. New, it was three 
times that. It had loads of RAM and I like the colour g. It's fast 
enough for me. I don't buy new computers anymore - if i did, I wouldn't 
be able to afford more than one. We curently have 6 Macs in the house! 
Sure I'd like a newer faster machine, but to be honest, with the file 
sizes I work with, I just don't need the extra speed. Running a filter on 
an A3 image at 300 ppi doesn't take long at all. Okay, a G4 would be 
faster, but half of nothing is still nothing g.

I sometimes wonder about all the Mac v Win stuff. Apples to Nuts
comparisons. The latest PC platforms have that new 3 ghz Intel chip that
seems to be loaded with Alpha (DEC) features, It is suposed to be an
interesting graphics machine. Alas, it only runs XP Professional at the
present. Get a Unix clone running on it and it should fly. Don't sneer at
Unix clones, or you can not use Mac OS X grin.

I sneer not at anyone's choice of computer - I can only tell you how much 
fun I have. I'm on 9.1 - I still hear too many nasty stories about OS X. 
If the shoe fits

Best,

Cotty


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Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Brad Dobo
Is is a repeated message?  It sounds so familiar.

- Original Message -
From: Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S


 Thomas Heide Clausen a écrit:
 ...
  Ohhyeah, the grip. That is one of the best non-optical things I've
  ever bought for any camera :) I have rather big hands, and the MZ-S
  almost was too small without it.
 ...
 MZ-S is very, very nice camera, the only bad point is the àù$-¤#]°ù%
 selector for the AF point !

 You can read French MZ-S, BG-10 and AF360FGZ review:

 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/
 http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/Photo/mz-s.htm

 (You can translate with : http://babel.altavista.com/tr)

 Michel









Re: ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.

2002-12-12 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 12.12.02 2:36, Bruce Rubenstein at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And raving lunatic, assholes use Pentax.
 
I thought that having name so similar to my great compatriot  and pianist
(Artur Rubinstein) would obligate you to be more cultured. But it seems I
was just wrong, so wrong!

-- 
Best regards
Sylwester Pietrzyk






Re: Naked without a camera.

2002-12-12 Thread Brad Dobo
Instant review.  I turn it off.  But it can be useful, that's why it is
there!!!  One point that came up was the weight.  I hear far too many
complaints about that.  I don't need the strain on my neck/back, it's bad
already.  I also don't want to clip some box on my belt that's a power unit!
(It'll probably be only available in Japan only)  My pants will fall down!!
Guess I'm gladly out of the digital game for a long while!

Brad
- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:59 AM
Subject: Naked without a camera.


 Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 I cannot understand the 'advantage' of inspecting every shot and deleting
 as
 one is shooting - to each their own.  I prefer to do the editing
 post-shooting.

 having the LCD always come on after a shot means you don't have to fumble
 to turn it on when you need to look. that's why i don't turn mine off
 anymore. the times i need it, i need it quickly.

 Herb







Re: MIR-47K 2,5/20mm - problems

2002-12-12 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 11.12.02 21:39, Carlos Royo at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Sylwester:
 I sent some messages to the list about the problem you mention.
 When you screw a filter to the back of the lens, the mirror in the MZ-S,
 MZ-5 or MX gets stuck when it is returning to its normal position after
 having fired the shutter.
 If you press the bayonet release button and turn the lens slightly, it
 returns to its prefire position.
 It doesn't get stuck in bigger bodies such as the Z-1 or SFX. Perhaps
 they have bigger mirror chambers.
 In fact, I am thinking about selling this lens, as I don't use it very
 often and a 18 or 15 mm. would suit my needs better.
 
Thanks for info! As a matter of fact I have found some interesting data
about MIR-47K - the filter system is a part o optical path in this lens, and
to obtain maximal results it is recomended to keep one of the supplied
filters all the time. That's why I won't buy this lens for my MZ-S...

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek






OT: Cheap(er) film sanners

2002-12-12 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk has reduced the prices on its
Minolta film scanners, as well as increasing the range
available.

No connection, except as satisfied customer.

mike




Re: ZX5-N/MZ-S flash compensation

2002-12-12 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

Question:  Is this with a particular flash er, unit, or have you
tried a few?

mike




RE: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
 Subject: RE: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter
 
 
 On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 21:48, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
  Here's my opinion on TC's:
  
  They Suck compared to real primes at the desired
  focal length. Especially for 35mm use. I have
  one for 6X7 that degrades quality just like the
  35mm ones do but at least with 6X7 the quality
  level is still acceptable. 35mm Lenses are cheap,
  why not just buy the focal lengths you want ( hint,
  for 35mm I have everything from 15 to 1000mm ).
  JCO
  
 
 J.C,
 
 There no need to use such antagonistic language to express your opinion.
 When I first read your email I thought I ought to post an equally hard
 nosed response, but that's how flame wars get started.

I was agressive because I wanted my point to be HARD. TCs are
only good if you want to travel light and are willing to accept
soft, lower contrast images. 35mm photography is borderline
enuff without resorting to these band-aids. For years NONE
of the major camera companies made them because they simply
dont live up to their **previously** high standards.


 
 While you may find 35mm lenses to be inexpensive, as a student I do
 not.  I was interested in this TC because for $45, I would be hard
 pressed to find a telephone prime lens.

  Would you care to suggest any
 good, inexpensive telephoto primes in the 200mm-300mm range.

Check ebay there are TONS of 135 and 200mm PRIME lenses
made by third parties which are dirt cheap and will outperform
most if not ALL lens PLUS TC combinations.

Now if you want 300mm , they are a little more but
you could probably find a decent 300mm F5.6 for under
$100 used.

 
 The other reason I'm enquiring about this particular TC is for it's
 macro capability.  Currently I'm using a Pentax 50m/1.7 on extension
 tubes. I've enjoyed the photography, and the pictures, but I find
 swapping the tubes around to be quite awkward.
 
 -Scott

Once again, a 50mm 1.7 plus TC aint going to even come close
to a real macro lens. Try to find a third party one used.
For example I just got a vivitar 55mm F2.8 macro in screwmount
for $60. AND it's AWESOME sharp.

Sounds like you are using K mount right? If your on a tight
budget, you should switch to screwmount. Far more economical
for the same level of quality.

JCO











Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread Brad Dobo
Hey folks,

Does anyone here read Japanese?  I think from the Pentax Europe I got a link
to Japan, not the true Pentax Japan site, but Japanese still.  I pulled up a
PDF document.  The big brochure for the MS-S.  It was identical but for 2
things (as far as layout and pictures)  I have a copy here I was comparing
it to. One was the cover, it showed the silver version.  The other was near
the back, page 15 for me.  I couldn't make them out, but there were more
accessories for the MZ-S there, three black things, I don't know what they
were, but they did not appear in the English one I have.  Frustrating, if
they want to make money, I buy the new stuff from them, and they don't want
to make it available to me, silly business sense, IMHO.

It is interesting browsing the sites, clicking at random.  Some neat
pictures.  Saw a gold LX with a gold 50mm lens.  Killer on the eyes if used
outdoors I'd imagine!  They have so many more interesting and potential
products on these Japanese sites.  I wish I was able to read them.
Babelfish doesn't work well with photographic terms, and not at all when the
Japanese characters are an image file(s).

Anyone care to comment?

Brad
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Re: ZX5-N/MZ-S flash compensation

2002-12-12 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
on 12.12.02 5:48, David Willecke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Max, I just today got an e-mail from the Pentax corporation confirming my
 observations--they said that the camera assumed the flash is the primary
 light source and the one the photographer would want to be able to
 adjust--and I think they are right, I just don't understand why they would
 leave this out of there manuals.  I tested this by putting my cameras (both
 the MZ-S and ZX5-N) on a tripod and attatching and unattatching the flash
 unit while moving the exposure compensation dial.  The data imprinting from
 the MZ-S on a roll of flash lit portraits also confirms that the apperature
 and shutter were not altered despite changing the exposure compensation dial
 in program mode.  I tried all 3 automatic modes, as well, with the same
 result.  This is great--I have control of my fill flash ratios with any
 flash on the camera, even the pop-up!  Why does nobody seem to know this?
 It seems important if you use a flash and have a pentax?
 
And bracketing when AF-360 is connected to MZ-S works as a flash bracketing
- this is not mentioned in any manuals (except for Canadian MZ-S brochure)
too. But I got used to this kind of misinformation from Pentax. It makes me
happy when I discover new feature not mentioned anywhere :-)

-- 
Best Regards
Sylwek






Re: Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread Alan Chan
http://www.excite.co.jp/world/text

regards,
Alan Chan


Does anyone here read Japanese?  I think from the Pentax Europe I got a 
link
to Japan, not the true Pentax Japan site, but Japanese still.  I pulled up 
a
PDF document.  The big brochure for the MS-S.  It was identical but for 2
things (as far as layout and pictures)  I have a copy here I was comparing
it to. One was the cover, it showed the silver version.  The other was near
the back, page 15 for me.  I couldn't make them out, but there were more
accessories for the MZ-S there, three black things, I don't know what they
were, but they did not appear in the English one I have.  Frustrating, if
they want to make money, I buy the new stuff from them, and they don't want
to make it available to me, silly business sense, IMHO.

It is interesting browsing the sites, clicking at random.  Some neat
pictures.  Saw a gold LX with a gold 50mm lens.  Killer on the eyes if used
outdoors I'd imagine!  They have so many more interesting and potential
products on these Japanese sites.  I wish I was able to read them.
Babelfish doesn't work well with photographic terms, and not at all when 
the
Japanese characters are an image file(s).

Anyone care to comment?

Brad


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Re: Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread Alan Chan
If you mean the QS-??, they are quick release plates and adaptor for tripod. 
If I remember correctly, they are identical to the Kenko products in Japan. 
Kenko ballheads are quite popular there.

regards,
Alan Chan

Does anyone here read Japanese?  I think from the Pentax Europe I got a 
link
to Japan, not the true Pentax Japan site, but Japanese still.  I pulled up 
a
PDF document.  The big brochure for the MS-S.  It was identical but for 2
things (as far as layout and pictures)  I have a copy here I was comparing
it to. One was the cover, it showed the silver version.  The other was near
the back, page 15 for me.  I couldn't make them out, but there were more
accessories for the MZ-S there, three black things, I don't know what they
were, but they did not appear in the English one I have.  Frustrating, if
they want to make money, I buy the new stuff from them, and they don't want
to make it available to me, silly business sense, IMHO.

It is interesting browsing the sites, clicking at random.  Some neat
pictures.  Saw a gold LX with a gold 50mm lens.  Killer on the eyes if used
outdoors I'd imagine!  They have so many more interesting and potential
products on these Japanese sites.  I wish I was able to read them.
Babelfish doesn't work well with photographic terms, and not at all when 
the
Japanese characters are an image file(s).

Anyone care to comment?

Brad


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Re: Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread Brad Dobo
Hey, thanks Alan!  Now to find text Japanese!

Regards,

Brad
- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax Japan


 http://www.excite.co.jp/world/text

 regards,
 Alan Chan

 Does anyone here read Japanese?  I think from the Pentax Europe I got a
 link
 to Japan, not the true Pentax Japan site, but Japanese still.  I pulled
up
 a
 PDF document.  The big brochure for the MS-S.  It was identical but for 2
 things (as far as layout and pictures)  I have a copy here I was
comparing
 it to. One was the cover, it showed the silver version.  The other was
near
 the back, page 15 for me.  I couldn't make them out, but there were more
 accessories for the MZ-S there, three black things, I don't know what
they
 were, but they did not appear in the English one I have.  Frustrating, if
 they want to make money, I buy the new stuff from them, and they don't
want
 to make it available to me, silly business sense, IMHO.
 
 It is interesting browsing the sites, clicking at random.  Some neat
 pictures.  Saw a gold LX with a gold 50mm lens.  Killer on the eyes if
used
 outdoors I'd imagine!  They have so many more interesting and potential
 products on these Japanese sites.  I wish I was able to read them.
 Babelfish doesn't work well with photographic terms, and not at all when
 the
 Japanese characters are an image file(s).
 
 Anyone care to comment?
 
 Brad


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Re: Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread Brad Dobo
No not the QR plates, they are listed in the English brouchure

Link:

http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/product/catalog/pdf/mz-s.pdf

page14/15 in print.  See if you can read it, or make out the pictures.  I
can do neither.

Brad
- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax Japan


 If you mean the QS-??, they are quick release plates and adaptor for
tripod.
 If I remember correctly, they are identical to the Kenko products in
Japan.
 Kenko ballheads are quite popular there.

 regards,
 Alan Chan

 Does anyone here read Japanese?  I think from the Pentax Europe I got a
 link
 to Japan, not the true Pentax Japan site, but Japanese still.  I pulled
up
 a
 PDF document.  The big brochure for the MS-S.  It was identical but for 2
 things (as far as layout and pictures)  I have a copy here I was
comparing
 it to. One was the cover, it showed the silver version.  The other was
near
 the back, page 15 for me.  I couldn't make them out, but there were more
 accessories for the MZ-S there, three black things, I don't know what
they
 were, but they did not appear in the English one I have.  Frustrating, if
 they want to make money, I buy the new stuff from them, and they don't
want
 to make it available to me, silly business sense, IMHO.
 
 It is interesting browsing the sites, clicking at random.  Some neat
 pictures.  Saw a gold LX with a gold 50mm lens.  Killer on the eyes if
used
 outdoors I'd imagine!  They have so many more interesting and potential
 products on these Japanese sites.  I wish I was able to read them.
 Babelfish doesn't work well with photographic terms, and not at all when
 the
 Japanese characters are an image file(s).
 
 Anyone care to comment?
 
 Brad


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Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Thomas Heide Clausen
On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:56:55 -0500
Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Heh,
 
 I ordered extra ones, rubber eye cap and findercap, because I knew
 I'd lose them.  Of course, now that I have them, I probably will
 never lose one :)
 
 Brad.

heh...

Mine fell off at the most inconvenient moment: I was on Sardegnea (an
island in Italy), had arrived at midnight - my suitcase hadn't
(thanks Alitalia!). I was there for a conference. The suitcase still
hadn't surfaced the next morning, so I went off to the nearest city
(Pula - 45min from the conf. center by bus) for replacement cloths
and stuff - only to find that everything was closed until 16:00 due
to siesta. The only thing not in the suitcase was my laptop and the
MZ-S, and so since I had brought the camera along, I thought I would
take some shots of the city under the hard mid-day sun. Guess what?
That was exactly when I discovered that on the trip from the conf.
center to the city, the little eyecap had disappeared.

Strong mediteranian sunlight made me realize that the eyecap was
actually usefull. Thus, upon my return, I acquired a pile of
replacement caps to have in spare, should such happen againcaps
which now have been sitting around unused in the camera bag and the
drawer. 

I guess the lesson to learn is, that when you have a spare, you don't
need it. When you don't, you do :)

--thomas




Re: Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread Alan Chan
Could that be the soft camera cases? They come with S/M/L.

regards,
Alan Chan


No not the QR plates, they are listed in the English brouchure

Link:

http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/product/catalog/pdf/mz-s.pdf

page14/15 in print.  See if you can read it, or make out the pictures.  I
can do neither.




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Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Brad Dobo
Hahahathat's great!  So we now have spares but will never use them!!
Too bad you did lose one when you didn't have another.  I've been lucky so
far.  I don't know whether to cross my fingers or not... g

Brad
- Original Message -
From: Thomas Heide Clausen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S


 On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:56:55 -0500
 Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Heh,
 
  I ordered extra ones, rubber eye cap and findercap, because I knew
  I'd lose them.  Of course, now that I have them, I probably will
  never lose one :)
 
  Brad.

 heh...

 Mine fell off at the most inconvenient moment: I was on Sardegnea (an
 island in Italy), had arrived at midnight - my suitcase hadn't
 (thanks Alitalia!). I was there for a conference. The suitcase still
 hadn't surfaced the next morning, so I went off to the nearest city
 (Pula - 45min from the conf. center by bus) for replacement cloths
 and stuff - only to find that everything was closed until 16:00 due
 to siesta. The only thing not in the suitcase was my laptop and the
 MZ-S, and so since I had brought the camera along, I thought I would
 take some shots of the city under the hard mid-day sun. Guess what?
 That was exactly when I discovered that on the trip from the conf.
 center to the city, the little eyecap had disappeared.

 Strong mediteranian sunlight made me realize that the eyecap was
 actually usefull. Thus, upon my return, I acquired a pile of
 replacement caps to have in spare, should such happen againcaps
 which now have been sitting around unused in the camera bag and the
 drawer.

 I guess the lesson to learn is, that when you have a spare, you don't
 need it. When you don't, you do :)

 --thomas







Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Mark D.
--- Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Mark D. wrote:
  For the Epson 820, Costco sells a 3 pack with 2
 color
  cartridges and and one black cartridge. It's
  approximately $50.
 
  Mark
 
 woo woo - good price!  but it is very difficult to
 get to one from where
 I am.
 and dont you ahve to be a memeber or something?

Yes, you do have to be a member. I tried checking
online if they had that package deal but it doesn't
seem to exist.
I think you may be best off sticking to that website
someone posted, altex or atlex? Mark Cassino had sent
me that link some time ago. I seem to recall that he
had bought from them and was pleased with their
service. Perhaps he'll post some feedback (or you
might want to email him directly).

Mark

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Re: Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread Brad Dobo
I haven't a clue.  Did you find the images to be very poor like I did?  You
could be right, but who knows, the pictures are not all that revealing!

Oh, Alan, thanks for that previous link!  I think it'll really come in
handy, tried it out some!

Brad
- Original Message -
From: Alan Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: Pentax Japan


 Could that be the soft camera cases? They come with S/M/L.

 regards,
 Alan Chan

 No not the QR plates, they are listed in the English brouchure
 
 Link:
 
 http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/product/catalog/pdf/mz-s.pdf
 
 page14/15 in print.  See if you can read it, or make out the pictures.  I
 can do neither.



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Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I think Costco prices are standard across the lower 48. I believe the
NYC store is supposed to fit the environment, rather than resemble a
suburban warehouse store lost in Manhattan. You do have to be a member,
but it's worth it. It's also fun, because they bring in a lot of very
nice merchandise for brief appearances. You never know what you'll find.
Plus, they provide samples of a lot of food items. You can have lunch
while you browse.
Paul

Ann Sanfedele wrote:
 
 Paul Stenquist wrote:
 
  I read an article in the New York Times about a Costco going up on the
  lower east side.
 
 
 Yikes... that's a bit of good news/bad news...
 doubt if the prices would be as good
 here though.
 
 ann
 
 
  Ann Sanfedele wrote:
  
   Pat White wrote:
  
Have you checked the prices at Costco?  They have 2-packs of certain ink
cartridges for a little less.
   
Pat White
  
   Pat  - I bet,
   however those who live in the middle of Manhattan (before you guys think Im
   rich,
   I'm under rent control)  consider Costco some odd store in the boonies...
   not easily
   accessable, alas -
  
   And you are reminding me I haven't gotton to the Am Photo shot of yours yet
   -
   what page again? :)
  
   Best,
   ann




RE: Naked without a camera.

2002-12-12 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
Hmmm, usually when I shoot with the D1X/H it just takes the push of a button
to turn the screen on.  In the time it takes to look at the screen I have
already turned it on.

I will have to ask to borrow her camera one afternoon just to play around
and compare...

César
Panama City, Florida

-- -Original Message-
-- From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:59 AM
-- To: INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Subject: Naked without a camera.
--
--
-- Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- I cannot understand the 'advantage' of inspecting every
-- shot and deleting
-- as
-- one is shooting - to each their own.  I prefer to do the editing
-- post-shooting.
--
-- having the LCD always come on after a shot means you don't
-- have to fumble
-- to turn it on when you need to look. that's why i don't turn mine off
-- anymore. the times i need it, i need it quickly.
--
-- Herb
--




Re: EPson ink cartridge reset

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 17:53:32 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Of course, you can get chip re-setters for most Epson cartridges now and you
 can reset the 870 and 1270 cartridges in the printer if you know the trick.

So don't hold out on us Mark!

Short version:

You have to install a fresh cartridge (full) the normal way. Then you
*manually* slide the cartridge sled to the left and install an old,
refilled or partially-filled cartridge and manually slide it back to the
right. Software will now show it as having the same ink level as the full
cartridge you used first.
The trick is that, in order to manually slide the cartridge sled over to the
left, you have to either remove the top cover of the printer (6 screws) or
flip down a little plastic lever that sits just to the left of the ink
cartridge when it's in its rest position. Fortunately details and photos are
available in the...

Long version:
Right here: http://medlem.spray.se/chipreset/how.htm
(Main URL: http://medlem.spray.se/chipreset/)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.

2002-12-12 Thread Bruce Rubenstein
Fuck you!
That's what you get when ho one thinks they have to follow rules of common
decency, dip shit.

BR

From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Now that's nice talk...

BTW, that's MR. Raving Lunatic A-hole to you, Bruce (note:  no smiley face
this time!)

have a great day,
frank




Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread wendy beard
At 01:26 AM 12/12/2002 -0500, JCO wrote:

 ( hint,
for 35mm I have everything from 15 to 1000mm ).
JCO


Did you say hint because you're about to put them all on ebay or did you 
mean to say boast


Wendy Beard,
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.beard-redfern.com




Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Kenneth Waller wrote:

http://www.atlex.com

Ooh, that one's a keeper!

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Steve Desjardins
I'm on eyepiece number 2 as well.  However, since I believe that the
gods of entropy require a sacrifice for anything to actually work, I'll
offer up the  eyepiece.  Better than the lens falling off . . .




RE: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Cesar Matamoros II
-- -Original Message-
-- From: Thomas Heide Clausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
-- Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 5:31 AM
--
-- On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 22:56:55 -0500
-- Brad Dobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--
--  Heh,
-- 
--  I ordered extra ones, rubber eye cap and findercap, because I knew
--  I'd lose them.  Of course, now that I have them, I probably will
--  never lose one :)
-- 
--  Brad.
--
-- heh...
--
-- Mine fell off at the most inconvenient moment: I was on Sardegnea (an
-- island in Italy), had arrived at midnight - my suitcase hadn't
-- (thanks Alitalia!). I was there for a conference. The suitcase still
-- hadn't surfaced the next morning, so I went off to the nearest city
-- (Pula - 45min from the conf. center by bus) for replacement cloths
-- and stuff - only to find that everything was closed until 16:00 due
-- to siesta. The only thing not in the suitcase was my laptop and the
-- MZ-S, and so since I had brought the camera along, I thought I would
-- take some shots of the city under the hard mid-day sun. Guess what?
-- That was exactly when I discovered that on the trip from the conf.
-- center to the city, the little eyecap had disappeared.
--
-- Strong mediteranian sunlight made me realize that the eyecap was
-- actually usefull. Thus, upon my return, I acquired a pile of
-- replacement caps to have in spare, should such happen againcaps
-- which now have been sitting around unused in the camera bag and the
-- drawer.
--
-- I guess the lesson to learn is, that when you have a spare, you don't
-- need it. When you don't, you do :)
--
-- --thomas
--

Thomas,

From my extensive travelling in Central America and for a while having my
luggage not arrive with me, I have devised a way to survive for a day or
two.

When packing my camera gear in its bag I do not use the foam dividers.
Instead I use my clothes (underwear, socks, shirts) as padding.  I tend to
put the dividers in my checked bag that way I can use them on the return
trip as opposed of being stuck with dirty clothes to use.  I had not thought
of it, but maybe it would make my trip through customs quicker :-)

Cesar
Panama City, Florida




RE: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
 Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I was agressive because I wanted my point to be HARD. TCs are
   only good if you want to travel light and are willing to accept
   soft, lower contrast images. 35mm photography is borderline
   enuff without resorting to these band-aids. For years NONE
   of the major camera companies made them because they simply
   dont live up to their **previously** high standards.  
 
 Well, Pentax made the T6-2X back in the '70's and that's a while ago.
 It was $150 new when third party TC's were $20. 

Well Pentax has been making 35mm Lenses since 1952. They
probably went at least 25 yrs WITHOUT offering one. They
probably caved in due to the popularity of the 3rd parties
offerings, but even a T6-2X is not going to give results
as good as a well made prime of the equivalent focal length. 

TCs are a kludge at best. A 2X TC throws away 75% of the 
image formed by a prime, and magnifys the remaining 25%
to fill the frame. Needless to say the result is a softer
image and less conrast due to more elements. I dont take
pictures often enuff to waste the time I do using an
inferior lens system like a 2XTC. Based on my latest
digital image processing and printing, 35mm is capable
of excellent quality, but you need really good optics
 film to achieve it. I'll pass on the TC's thank you.
JCO  




Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ann, I don't have a detailed list of what we've tried and what the results were 
over the years, but one year we tried printing the calendars on card stock and 
the ink consumption was RIDICULOUS.

I've done some research into doing what Ann is trying to do (printing
calendars, etc.) and found it prohibitively expensive :(

I could get the price down to about $11.00 per calendar with 4-color offset
printing through a friend who owned a printing business, but that was with a
minimum order of 500 calendars. With an order of 1000 calendars the price
per unit dropped to around $6.00 if I recall correctly - the bulk of the
cost is in setup and preparation. But I don't think I could get anywhere
close to even the $11.00 price with my inkjet. Of course with the inkjet the
minimum order quantity is 1!

I did some research into a new Kodak/Heidelburg process called Nexpress,
which is a laserprinter-like process. I found the quality inferior to inkjet
and the price barely better than 4-color offset printing (though they might
have jacked up the prices on me for reasons I won't get into now). Xerox is
working on a competitor to Nexpress which has much better print quality and
equivalent or lower pricing, but the Xerox system isn't on the market yet.

I'm surprised there's no printing company that's tried to make a business
specifically around doing calendars for photographers; they'd just need to
set up a basic calendar template and plug specific photo files into it. I
looked for such a setup and couldn't find one.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
I've seen these in the stores. I'll have to give them a try. Paper is
expensive, and I'm usually not willing to experiment without a
recommendation.

Ilford sells (or used to sell) 6-sheet sampler packs. That's how I
discovered the Fine Art inkjet paper. I never would have tried it if I'd had
to buy 25 sheets.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: Re: Re: Who has switched to Pentax and why?

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
Hi,
It is truth that old K, M lenses are built very well. My SMC K 135/2.5 is built like a 
tank and other my K i M lenses are very good in this respect.
Alek
Uytkownik Pl Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Alek wrote:

 Thank you! so for the price K35/3.5 is great and if one can afford to buy FA 
version it pays.
 I shall try to find old for beginning.


The problem with AF lenses (most of them anyway) is that they are AF lenses; loose, 
rattly, and focuses past infinity. Unfortunately, I've discovered that initially 
tight AF lenses develop looseness over time. It may well be that some newer AF 
designs are potentially beter optically, but getting the best out of them is more of 
a hassle. Older, MF lenses are built to last forever and my experience is that they 
do and never ever get out of alignment or develop rattles. 


Pl

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Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Bill Owens
Lost mine too.  Don't think I'll bother replacing it though.

Bill

- Original Message - 
From: jcoyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S


 Not yet - but it was once a close-run thing!
 
 John Coyle
 Brisbane, Australia
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: wendy beard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 1:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S
 
 
 SNIP 
  Feroze,
  Don't worry about it you'll soon lose it. Problem solved.
  Hands up everyone who's lost the eyepiece cover off their MZ-S
  (me, twice)
  
  Wendy Beard,
  Ottawa, Canada
  http://www.beard-redfern.com
  
  
  
 




Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread kwaller
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:40:30 -0800 (PST), Herb Chong
wrote:

 
 Message text written by
INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Ann, I've been using an Epson Stylus Photo for about
 4+ years and run the
 printer till it will no longer print before I change
 cartridges. It has
 never quit in the middle of printing due to lack of
 ink. I've been getting
 about 50 4X6 prints out of one color cartridge.
 
 the chipped cartridges don't allow this. once below a
 certain level,
 according to the chip, they refuse to print.
Don't know if the cartridge in my Stylus Photo is
chipped or not but the printer does eventually refuse
to print because of low ink. It has never gotten midway
through a print and stopped or continued to print minus
the depleted color.
 
 Herb...

Ken Waller

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RE: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread J. C. O'Connell
No, Not selling. I plan on using them on a PENTAX digital
SLR in a few years. For now, I'm getting great results
with that old fashioned thing called FILM. If Pentax
decides not to go the digital SLR route, I just might
buy a Canon EOS digital and mount them on that if
I have to.

I am a strong believer in using the right lens for the job.
Hence, I bought a WHOLE BUNCH of them dirt cheap about
10 yrs ago. These are all Takumars. In the late 80's
early 90's when Pentax came out with AF, people were
dumping screwmount lenses like hot potatoes! It was
perfect timing for me as I just got back into photography
around 1988 after about a 12 year layoff.

As a matter of fact at that time I felt they were so undervalued
That I invested in them and at one point had over 175
extra ones. But I needed cash last year and sold
all of them ( just the extras ) at ebay. I made 
a healthly profit to say the least.

Even with todays higher prices, the takumars are still
excellent value. Way cheaper than the K, M, or A lenses
and just as good in many respects.

 -Original Message-
 From: wendy beard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:13 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter
 
 
 At 01:26 AM 12/12/2002 -0500, JCO wrote:
   ( hint,
 for 35mm I have everything from 15 to 1000mm ).
 JCO
 
 Did you say hint because you're about to put them all on ebay 
 or did you 
 mean to say boast
 
 
 Wendy Beard,
 Ottawa, Canada
 http://www.beard-redfern.com
 
 




Re: PDML discussion finds its way onto Luminous Landscape

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Mark Roberts wrote:
  
  Now that I come to think about it, when I go out with just one camera body
  and one lens, the lens I take is almost *never* a zoom.
  
  The most common combination for me is the MX and 43/1.9 Limited, but
  sometimes the lens is either a 50mm or 28mm.

My most common walkaround combination is LX + 50/1.4 or ZX-5n + 50/1.7 but now 
with the newly-acquired MX we shall see which of the above bodies it displaces. 
In any case my walkaround lens is a 50. I find 28 too wide for general use and 
100 too long, and I don't own any lenses between 28 and 100 except for the 50s.
I prefer them over my former walkaround favourite (28-70/4) because of their 
speed. And then, to a lesser extent, their smaller
size.

Often, my walkaround kit is for travelling by motorcycle. In this case,
whatever lens I use with the MX needs to be small enough for me to use the
everready case on the camera/lens combination. This is the only time I ever
put the case on the camera; keeps it much safer in the tank bag on the bike!
Anyway, the 28, 43 and 50 are the only lenses I have that are small enough
to fit. I'm a wide angle enthusiast so even the 28 sometimes a bit long
for me.
I'm still looking for a really convenient way to carry the MX while running.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Cesar Matamoros II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I too lost my eye piece cover.  It did take a while, but evidently it
occurred while placing the camera back in the bag.

I have not had this problem with its replacement.  A rep told me to put a
dab of silicone on it.  I think I have felt it move just once.

Yeah, the same rep not only told me this, he actually glued the eyepiece
cover (my second one) on for me. It lasted almost six months before
disappearing :(

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




A brief harrumph

2002-12-12 Thread Mike Johnston
 In fact, I seem to recall that
 I've read someplace around Luminous Landscape that Mike thinks of
 anyone who earns money with their camera and lenses as professional,
 and the rest he considers amateurs of various levels.


If I'm the Mike you're talking about (and you weren't talking about Michael
Reichmann, who goes by Michael), I'm not sure I particularly care about
the issue one way or the other. Pros know who they are, and there isn't much
mistaking a real pro. Where I differ from most hobbyists is that I don't
consider pros to be the best photographers. I admire their skills, business
acumen, and problem-solving abilities, but generally I think that doing
photography in return for money under the direction of someone else is not a
very good way to make good pictures.

Albert Watson, for instance, is tremendously skilled and makes a million
dollars a year (actually that's probably considerably underestimated). But
by his own admission he photographs mainly blue jeans, sunglasses, and
suits. His job is to make blue jeans, sunglasses and suits look cool, new,
and visually exciting, and constantly find new ways to do so. Not an easy
task, but then again the end result is just not something I particularly
care about. 

Another famous pro once said that his challenge was to take a picture with a
perfume bottle in it that would still be a wonderful picture if it didn't
have the perfume bottle in it. But his tragedy, of course, is that he cannot
take the perfume bottle out.

Overall, I'm not very charitable to pros. Anyone who wishes to do so may
write this off to envy, sour grapes, prejudice, whatever. But I like _art_.

--Mike




Re: Re: new nikon may pint the way for new pentax lens??????????

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
So Nikon/Canon have some problems with dim light?What about accuracy?
Alek
Uytkownik John Mustarde [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 18:28:42 +1030, you wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0212/02121201nikondxlenses.asp

I think I've seen Pentax zoom video lenses with an amazing range
something like 6mm - 1000mm f1.1, packed in a package smaller than a
normal 35mm 28-200 zoom. It would be cool to have one of those
attached to a Pentax DSLR.

Nikon will sell a ton of those small-image-circle wide angle zooms -
unless Sigma beats them to the punch with a wider zoom range at
one-third the price.

Pentax take note - this small-sensor-optimized zoom is a good thing
for a small-sensor DSLR. It is very annoying to me to be unable to use
my digicam for wide angle shots - I have a 24-135 zoom which actually
gives me a normal 36mm lens. Still not really wide angle.

I'm still hoping the Pentax DSLR will have first rate AF. That's the
main reason I still have a closet full of Pentax 35mm gear - the AF of
the Nikon D100 and Canon D60 leaves a lot to be desired in anything
but bright light.

--
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Re: new nikon may hint at new pentax lenses

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
whereswayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0212/02121201nikondxlenses.asp

i read somewhere that
full frame digital will become the new medium format
and aps the new 35mm
so i guess there were right
lets hope pentax goes this way

What, so their new lenses won't work with our current film SLRs? No thanks.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
That is why I could see bad bokeh since many probably third factors affected the final 
result which was not bad.
Maybe in other circumstances I would see it. I just must try again.
Alek
Uytkownik Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Dan Scott wrote:
 
 On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 10:46 AM, Fred wrote:
 
  What is judged good or bad bokeh depends only on the lens, not the
  subject's surroundings. What surrounds the subject may be judged
  to be a good or bad choice of _background_, but whether the image
  exhibits acceptable _bokeh_ depends ONLY on the lens. In my
  opinion of what I understand.
 
  I would say that you are correct, Keith. Nonetheless, the choice of
  background (and sometimes foreground) when shooting, when making
  such a choice is possible, can make lenses with bad bokeh (even
  mirror lenses, for example, which are my own worst lenses for bokeh)
  look pretty good (for bokeh) - g.
 
  Fred
 
 
 Fred's right. Bokeh won't be a problem if you don't have any objects of
 the right sort in the right spot, foreground or background. The optical
 characteristics of the lens are in the lens, but you need the right
 combination of elements in the scene being photographed for bad bokeh
 to end up on the film. Plus, the third factor affecting valuation of
 bokeh is the viewer. If you like the bokeh in evidence on the print or
 transparency, it's good bokeh if you don't, it's bad.

Quite clearly, that's abundantly true! grin

Thanks for the clarification!

keith
 
 Dan Scott

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Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Doug Franklin
Hi Mark,

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:35:19 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:

 I'm surprised there's no printing company that's tried to make a business
 specifically around doing calendars for photographers;

I did a Google search a couple of weeks ago looking for custom calendar
vendors, and I found at least two dozen of them.  I can post links if
you'd like. The caveat is that I have not looked into any of these
folks, except to got to the website and confirm that they do provide
custom calendar service.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm 2.8

2002-12-12 Thread akozak

Hi Fred,
What about bokeh if one step down a bit aperture? Does it improve?
Alek

 Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
 What is judged good or bad bokeh depends only on the lens, not the
 subject's surroundings. What surrounds the subject may be judged
 to be a good or bad choice of _background_, but whether the image
 exhibits acceptable _bokeh_ depends ONLY on the lens. In my
 opinion of what I understand.

I would say that you are correct, Keith. Nonetheless, the choice of
background (and sometimes foreground) when shooting, when making
such a choice is possible, can make lenses with bad bokeh (even
mirror lenses, for example, which are my own worst lenses for bokeh)
look pretty good (for bokeh) - g.

Fred

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Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:43:14 -0800 (PST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [The Stylus Photo] has never gotten midway
 through a print and stopped or continued to print minus
 the depleted color.

My 820 sure has.  It's dropped black, both cyans, and light magenta at
various times.  When I said I run the cartridge dry, I wasn't kidding.

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: Interesting read

2002-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I see quite a point in shooting on film and have it later scanned.
Though recently Luminous Landscape keep praising latest Canon 11 MP
camera up to the point of mentioning that it has virtually no noise at
virtually all ISO settings.

i don't think that it is as noise free as they say. the enlargements i saw
had a fair amount of chroma noise, unless that was introduced after the
fact. i was looking at larger than 16x20 prints though, but they were
produced by Canon.

Herb




RE: Naked without a camera.

2002-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hmmm, usually when I shoot with the D1X/H it just takes the push of a
button
to turn the screen on.  In the time it takes to look at the screen I have
already turned it on.

that push is sometimes too long, especially in macro photography of a
moving subject.

Herb




Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread Rfsindg
John (JCO),
I hear you on TC's.  I've never been a big fan of them, but...
It's Gymnastics season and for the last 3 meets, I've dragged the camera 
along.
The gym is dark.  The stands are a long way from the vault, bars, beam and 
floor.
Even with the A135/1.8 and 800 Fuji film, things are tough to shoot.
The girls are moving, flying, twirling, spinning...
I've taken the 300mm along before, but I won't climb the bleachers with the 
400!
(Last night was the PZ-1p, A135/1.8, monopod, 43  77 limiteds... a light 
kit!)
As it is, the A1.4X-S and A2.0X-S give me some flexibility without weight.
More photos suffer from slow shutter speed than from using the TC.
So I think they have a place...
Regards,  Bob S.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 TCs are a kludge at best. A 2X TC throws away 75% of the 
  image formed by a prime, and magnifys the remaining 25%
  to fill the frame. Needless to say the result is a softer
  image and less conrast due to more elements. I dont take
  pictures often enuff to waste the time I do using an
  inferior lens system like a 2XTC. Based on my latest
  digital image processing and printing, 35mm is capable
  of excellent quality, but you need really good optics
   film to achieve it. I'll pass on the TC's thank you.




Re: Pentax Japan

2002-12-12 Thread WBeard

Alan wrote:
If the link you provided is correct, and you mean the picture on the left
of
the tripod adaptors, they are soft cases. I am certain of that. They are
small for certain, but still recognizable to me.  :)

regards,
Alan Chan

Yes, they're soft cases. Three fronts are available - S,M  L. I have two
of the fronts for the case. I bought the small one because I anticipated
having the 43mm on the camera most of the time when in actual fact I have
the 24-90 pretty much all the time (so I'm glad I bought the medium one at
the same time!)
and Brad,
They're really neat. You really should buy one ;-)
---
Wendy Beard
Mosaid Technologies Inc
11 Hines Rd, Kanata,
Ontario K2K 2X1, Canada





Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:35:19 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:

 I'm surprised there's no printing company that's tried to make a business
 specifically around doing calendars for photographers;

I did a Google search a couple of weeks ago looking for custom calendar
vendors, and I found at least two dozen of them.  I can post links if
you'd like. The caveat is that I have not looked into any of these
folks, except to got to the website and confirm that they do provide
custom calendar service.

Please post the list.

My search was over a year ago and, though I came up with lots of web sites
that looked promising, no one provided the kind of service I was looking
for. A lot can change in the space of a year, though.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Re: Bad Bokeh vs. Baaaad Bokeh (WAS: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs. 100mm2.8)

2002-12-12 Thread Pentxuser

In a message dated 12/11/02 2:58:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yes, but it is debatable whether we are talking about bokeh then or simply 
just annoying backgrounds. 

Even the best of lenses regarding bokeh cannot perform wonders with annoying 
backgrounds.


Pål 

I'm not a big believer in bokeh. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm sure it 
does. But lets face it, it's not as big a deal as we and others seem to make 
it out to be. I think it's got more to do with annoying backgrounds, depth of 
field and how the photographer handles bright highlights in the background 
than anything to do with the design of the lens. There are those who will 
disagree that's fine but I get the feeling some people are going to go out 
and sell their K105 because someone said the bokeh is bad. That would not be 
wise, unless of course they want to sell it to me.
Vic 




Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread Pentxuser

In a message dated 12/11/02 3:59:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I seem to recall hearing good things about this TC, but a search of the
PDML archives didn't turn up anything useful.  Has anyone got one?  How
do you like it?  If I did pick one up, I'd be using it with a 135/2.5
and a 50/1.7.

-Scott 

Get it you can't go wrong. It's not only a very good 7element converter it's 
excellent for macro... Highly recommended. With the 50mm it gives you the 
ability to do some incredible selective focus..
Vic 




Re: Re: Bad Bokeh vs. Baaaad Bokeh (WAS: Re: 100mm 2.8 Macro vs.100mm 2.8)

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
Hi Keith,
So after reading many opinions about bokeh it can be truth what I wrote that in some 
conditions I could see bad bokeh using K105/2.8. MAybe I chose them in such a way that 
it was quiete nice.Maybe in other ones bokeh could be harsh.
But in general this lens is very sharp and contrasty.
Alek
Uytkownik Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Well espoused, Mike. I'll look forward to the write-up with enthusiasm!

keith

Mike Johnston wrote:
 
  This is an interesting idea: Could the choice of background *and* distance
  from main focus of interest in a photograph be more of an influence than
  lens design in the perception of bad bokeh?
 
 Tim,
 In my researches (don't ask), a number of things affect the bokeh: lens
 design, aperture shape, aperture setting, focusing distance, distance of the
 background objects from the plane of focus, and the contrast, illumination,
 and edge texture of the out-of-focus objects.
 
 IN GENERAL, the worst-case bokeh is found for most lenses a) at wider
 apertures, b) closer focusing distances, c) with distant out-of-focus
 objects d) when those objects are well illuminated and have high contrast.
 
 So you can deduce that most lenses to do relatively better when stopped
 down, focused farther away, with low-contrast and/or darker objects not so
 far in the background. Also, objects with indeterminate or ragged edges will
 often appear smoother as long as they're sufficiently o-o-f. You can
 actually see this effect in pictures where you may have one hard-edged
 object at the same distance as much softer subject matter, like a bright
 metal pipe against a muted brick wall or a light-colored streetlight pole
 against a mass of foliage. In those cases, where the brick or the foliage
 might be perfectly unobtrusive, the harder shape can show more obvious
 _ni-sen_ or double-line effect.
 
 I'm going to do a column on Luminous-Landscape about testing lenses for
 bokeh, including illustrations that will greatly help clarify the issues,
 but it's going to be a lot of work to prepare and I don't know when I'm
 going to be able to get around to it. Hope this helps somewhat in the
 meantime.
 
 --Mike

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Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm surprised there's no printing company that's tried to make a business
specifically around doing calendars for photographers; they'd just need to
set up a basic calendar template and plug specific photo files into it. I
looked for such a setup and couldn't find one.

-- 
Mark Roberts

there are one off such calendars being made for about $20 as a service you
will find at some photo finishing places. you send it off with 12 prints
and it comes back done. don't have any idea of quality. i saw it at a
MotoPhoto. don't know if they have those by you.

Herb




A brief harrumph

2002-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Overall, I'm not very charitable to pros. Anyone who wishes to do so may
write this off to envy, sour grapes, prejudice, whatever. But I like _art_.

--Mike

you have described advertising photography. those in the stock business
work differently and have more time to spend doing what they want and as
well as they want. not all the time, but a lot of the time.

Herb




Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
The only time I find myself using a teleconverter is when I need something
longer than my 300/2.8 (in other words, when there's no alternative for me!)

I think this means I'm agreeing with JCO, but I'm not sure ;)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Custom Calendars (Was EPson ink usage for color prints)

2002-12-12 Thread Doug Franklin
On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 09:25:40 -0500, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Please post the list.
 
 My search was over a year ago and, though I came up with lots of web sites
 that looked promising, no one provided the kind of service I was looking
 for. A lot can change in the space of a year, though.\

H
...

http://www.surprise.com/whositfor/friend/a_yearround_gift.cfm
http://www.calendarkit.com/
http://shop.store.yahoo.com/personalphotocalendar/customcalendar.html
http://www.personalgiftcalendar.com/
http://www.shutterfly.com/index.jsp
http://www.simonsinternational.com/pages/custom_photo_calendar.html
http://wedesignwebsites.com/FamilyCalendar/
http://www.galleriaventures.com/calendars/
http://www.personalizationmall.com/searchItem.cfm?productid=1967storeid
=0
http://www.a1copies.com/calendar.htm
http://www.amphotoproducts.com/custom_photo_calenders.htm
http://www.calendarcreations.net/
http://www.inky.com/calinstructions.html
http://www.personalizedphotocalendar.com/
http://directory.google.com/Top/Shopping/Publications/Calendars/Personal
ized/
http://www.calyptic.com/mainpro/cal.shtml

TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ





Re: PDML discussion finds its way onto Luminous Landscape

2002-12-12 Thread Steve Desjardins

... I'm still looking for a really convenient way to carry the MX while
running.

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com 


me too.  My conclusions so far is that the hand would be best, both in
termns of jarring and in terms of ease of use.  The biggest problem is
sweat, and I am reluctant to start wearing a glove . . .


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
The only time I find myself using a teleconverter is when I need something
longer than my 300/2.8 (in other words, when there's no alternative for
me!)

I think this means I'm agreeing with JCO, but I'm not sure ;)

-- 
Mark Roberts

he says you should go and buy that 600 f5.6.

Herb




Re: ZX5-N/MZ-S flash compensation

2002-12-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
David Willecke a écrit:

Max, I just today got an e-mail from the Pentax corporation confirming 
.

You can verify with an AF360FGZ (or 330/500FTZ ?): the useful distance 
varies, the max. distance increases in case of correction -
To verify if also works in wireless mode !

Michel





Re: FS: lots of Pentax gear

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
Hi,
What would be the cost of each :A85/1.4, A24/2.8 and LX?
Alek
Uytkownik E. Kragtwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Hello everyone,

A friend of mine without an Internet connection (yes, they still
exist!...:-)) asked me to offer his Pentax gear for sale to the Pentax
discussion list. He is looking for reasonable offers on each item, please
contact me off list if you have any additional questions or if you are
interested.

1) LX body in excellent condition with minor signs of use. Full CLA last
year at Pentax Benelux.
2) Motor drive for LX with Battery Grip M, both in excellent condition
3) SMC Pentax-A 15/3.5 LNIB!! This jewel has seen very little use and comes
with both caps, case, box and papers. Its is absolutely like new.
4) SMC Pentax-A 24/2.8 In excellent condition, comes with both caps
5) SMC Pentax-A 85/1.4* In excellent condition, comes with both lens caps
6) SMC Pentax-M 85/2 In excellent condition, comes with both lens caps
7) SMC Pentax-M Macro 100/4 In excellent condition, comes with both caps
8) SMC Pentax-M 135/3.5 In excellent condition, comes with both caps
9) SMC Pentax-M 200/4 In excellent condition, comes with both caps
Any serious offer will be considerred. PayPal payment is accepted. He will
ship worldwide.
Thank you for looking!
Best regards,
Eric

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Re: Opinions Wanted: Vivitar 2x Macro Focussing Teleconverter

2002-12-12 Thread Fred
Hi, Bob.

 Does anyone know how it compares to the A 2X-S or L ? ...or the
 Vivitar 2X Fred mentioned?

I've never compared the Vivitar Macro-Focusing TC with the A 2X-L,
but I have shot it side-by-side (on an A* 300/4) with the A 2X-S and
the T6-2X, and I've found the three TC's to be quite similar in
quality.

 Vivitar seems to have made so many 2X TC's that I wouldn't know
 how to spot the ones you guys are raving about. g

Gee, I don't think it should be all that confusing, Bob.  If I
recall, amongst the Vivitar manual focus K-mount TC's I think there
are really only two models:

1.  The regular 2X model.  (I think its marked as 2X-22, with
the 22 referring to its K-mount.)  (I think it's a 4-element
design.)

2.  The 2X Macro-Focusing TC.  (This is is a 7-element design).

Does anyone know of any other Vivitar manual focus K-mount TC's?

Fred





SMC-FA 2/24 and 1.4/85: Good price?

2002-12-12 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi,

I've got an offer that seems to be so good that I can hardly reject it:

SMC-FA 2/24 like new, complete and in box: 200,- Euro/US$
SMC-FA 1,4/85 like new, complete and in box: 400,- Euro/US$

I don't really need this lenses as I'm satisfied with my SMC FA 2/35 in  
the wide angle range and my SMC-M 2.8/100 as portrait lens. Further more  
I would prefer the 77Ltd instead of the 1.4/85. But the prices seem to  
be very attractive so that I'm thinking about buying them, using them a  
short time and selling them next year. It seems that I can't make a  
loss, doesn't it?? Help=%-]

Cheers, Heiko




Re: Goodies Today

2002-12-12 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
Hi Mark,
   how is it with yours MX? I am still thinking about selling my ME-S
   before I put it to hell cosmetically (with the customisations I
   plan to it), as MX would be better suited for me. Is it still
   available?

   Frantisek




Re: SMC-FA 2/24 and 1.4/85: Good price?

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
Probbaly you are right. Prices are good IMHO
Alek

Uytkownik Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Hi,

I've got an offer that seems to be so good that I can hardly reject it:

SMC-FA 2/24 like new, complete and in box: 200,- Euro/US$
SMC-FA 1,4/85 like new, complete and in box: 400,- Euro/US$

I don't really need this lenses as I'm satisfied with my SMC FA 2/35 in 
the wide angle range and my SMC-M 2.8/100 as portrait lens. Further more 
I would prefer the 77Ltd instead of the 1.4/85. But the prices seem to 
be very attractive so that I'm thinking about buying them, using them a 
short time and selling them next year. It seems that I can't make a 
loss, doesn't it?? Help=%-]

Cheers, Heiko

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Re: SMC-FA 2/24 and 1.4/85: Good price?

2002-12-12 Thread Bruce Dayton
Heiko,

Certainly the price is great.  I have the FA *24/2.0 and the FA
35/2.0.  I think that they are very different lenses and I would keep
both.  In fact, I sold my FA 20/2.8 and 28/2.8 in favor of keeping
those first two (needed money for 67 glass).

I also have both the FA *85/1.4 and the FA 100/2.8 macro lens.  Again,
I don't consider them to be at all the same kind of lens.  The 85 is a
MUCH better portrait lens and the 100 macro is  MUCH better general
purpose/macro lens.  Again, I have kept both of them as I consider
them to be significantly different from each other including speed.

As to whether you want to later unload the FA *85 in favor of the 77
Limited, is a totally different question.  So far, for me, I haven't
gone to the trouble of selling my FA* 85 and probably won't.  I happen
to really like it for portraits and I have the FA 100 macro for
everything else.

HTH,


Bruce



Thursday, December 12, 2002, 9:08:00 AM, you wrote:

HH Hi,

HH I've got an offer that seems to be so good that I can hardly reject it:

HH SMC-FA 2/24 like new, complete and in box: 200,- Euro/US$
HH SMC-FA 1,4/85 like new, complete and in box: 400,- Euro/US$

HH I don't really need this lenses as I'm satisfied with my SMC FA 2/35 in  
HH the wide angle range and my SMC-M 2.8/100 as portrait lens. Further more  
HH I would prefer the 77Ltd instead of the 1.4/85. But the prices seem to  
HH be very attractive so that I'm thinking about buying them, using them a  
HH short time and selling them next year. It seems that I can't make a  
HH loss, doesn't it?? Help=%-]

HH Cheers, Heiko




Re: ME Super customization

2002-12-12 Thread Frantisek Vlcek
 I recall some japanese LX-dedicated website showing such thumbrest
 made from some plastic and glued (?) to LX backdoor (along with
 many other LX mods).

F If you (or anyone) can come up with the URL for that site, please
F let me/us know - I'd be curious to see what some people have done to
F their LX's.  Thanks.

Hi Fred,
   it's
http://www.pentax-fan.jp/BODY/LX_CHG.html

There are several very strange mods... see for yourself. I can't
imagine how long for example the LX motor can do from 2x9V batteries
(with their impedance compared to rechargables), even though the
original LX NiCd pack was very low capacity as well, just 110mAh.

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek




Re: Too bad i tried the MZ-S

2002-12-12 Thread Michel Carrère-Gée
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit:

Cesar posted (addressed to Wendy, but hey, it was out in the open):


I too lost my eye piece cover.  It did take a while, but evidently it
occurred while placing the camera back in the bag.

I have not had this problem with its replacement.  A rep told me to put a
dab of silicone on it.  I think I have felt it move just once.



Shortly after buying my ZX-5n I noticed its eyepiece cover was loose enough 
that losing it seemed likely. So I attached a small piece of black masking tape 
to the eyepiece, just enough to make it a tighter fit for the cover. This has 
worked fine. I don't know the MZ-S well enough to know if you could apply this 
lesson to that, but here it is for what it's worth.

I have do this, very fun!
I don't use the viewfinder cap but an home made (black plastic =21x32 mm 
) obturator that I put under the edge on the eyepiece.

Michel





Re: EPson ink usage for color prints

2002-12-12 Thread Paul Stenquist
I was introduced to Fine Art Paper with the Ilford Sampler pack as well.
It's a great marketing idea.
Paul

Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 I've seen these in the stores. I'll have to give them a try. Paper is
 expensive, and I'm usually not willing to experiment without a
 recommendation.
 
 Ilford sells (or used to sell) 6-sheet sampler packs. That's how I
 discovered the Fine Art inkjet paper. I never would have tried it if I'd had
 to buy 25 sheets.
 
 --
 Mark Roberts
 Photography and writing
 www.robertstech.com




Re: new nikon may pint the way for new pentax lens??????????

2002-12-12 Thread Frantisek Vlcek

Thursday, December 12, 2002, 2:58:44 PM, akozak wrote:
aop So Nikon/Canon have some problems with dim light?What about accuracy?

My friend, who does shoot D100 and F4s a lot, has the D100 constantly
switched to manual focus. Even though the cropped F80 viewfinder is so
small and not that contrasty. But he is a strange guy. And concert
venues are strangely lit.

Best regards,
   Frantisek Vlcek




Re: Re: new nikon may pint the way for new pentax lens??????????

2002-12-12 Thread akozak
Hi Frantisek,
Nice to see a fellow Pentax from my southern neighbours.
What equipment do you have? I own Pz1,Super A+some K lenses and A50/1.7 and tamron 
SP macro 2.8 and MEtz 40MZ3
Alek

Uytkownik Frantisek Vlcek [EMAIL PROTECTED] napisa:
Thursday, December 12, 2002, 2:58:44 PM, akozak wrote:
aop So Nikon/Canon have some problems with dim light?What about accuracy?

My friend, who does shoot D100 and F4s a lot, has the D100 constantly
switched to manual focus. Even though the cropped F80 viewfinder is so
small and not that contrasty. But he is a strange guy. And concert
venues are strangely lit.

Best regards,
 Frantisek Vlcek

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Re: Luminous Landscape...

2002-12-12 Thread Mike Johnston
 the exercise of picking one prime lens and shooting
 with it exclusively until you've forgotten what other
 lenses feel like is a learning experience that you
 will carry with you for the rest of your life
 
 
 Yes, and I suspect it would be particularly memorable
 if you decided to pick something like a 2000mm mirror
 lens or an 8mm circular fish-eye!



Funny you should mention that, Jonathan. I've recently considered trying it
with just a 24mm (i.e., too da*ned wide) or a 135mm (too da*ned long).
Just to see what it can teach me.

--Mike




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message posted. If you have a message or response you'd like me to  see,
please copy my personal e-mail address. Thanks! ] 




Re: SMC-FA 2/24 and 1.4/85: Good price?

2002-12-12 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Bruce,

on 12 Dec 02 you wrote in pentax.list:

Certainly the price is great.  I have the FA *24/2.0 and the FA
35/2.0.  I think that they are very different lenses and I would keep
both.  In fact, I sold my FA 20/2.8 and 28/2.8 in favor of keeping
those first two (needed money for 67 glass).

Interesting. I wouldn't have thougt that there is such a difference...

I also have both the FA *85/1.4 and the FA 100/2.8 macro lens.  Again,
I don't consider them to be at all the same kind of lens.  The 85 is a
MUCH better portrait lens and the 100 macro is  MUCH better general
purpose/macro lens.

I'm more interested in a genereal purpose lens. The FA85/1.4 would be  
interesting as it is an AF lens and I'm actually owning the manual SMC-M  
100/2.8.

As to whether you want to later unload the FA *85 in favor of the 77
Limited, is a totally different question.  So far, for me, I haven't
gone to the trouble of selling my FA* 85 and probably won't.

And that's the deciding point: I'm actually in the trouble of selling  
some of my Pentax gear to finance an MZ-S with the 24-90 as travel zoom.  
I don't really need the lenses at the moment and would buy them only in  
order to sell them later. So I will exercise self-restraint :-) and  
leave this opportunity.

The 1.4/85 can be found in a buy-now auction. I don't now the seller and  
it is a German auction. But the price should make it worth a try if  
anyone is interested...

You can find the auction here:

http://www.atrada.de/ 
Detail.asp?AngebotNr=7939205atradaid=323AEBFAACDE4B0E8709D0A6E49B1909


Regards, Heiko




Interesting marketing

2002-12-12 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
I was in WalMart this a.m.
Kodak has an odd retail package.
4 rolls of 400 color print film, plus 1 roll of 400 bw film.
The outside of the box doesn't say what type of bw film it is -- CN,
Tri-X, or T-Max.

Odd that they'd push bw like that.  Maybe it's just surplus.

Collin





Re: smc 55 f2.0

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
Use da old nice K55 with a Kbody and open up the other eye.
About the same thru the lens and in the left eye.  I'm sure
some photographers find this useful.  I do on occasion, which
is why the 55 is my standard carry-around lens with a KX.

John Daniele wrote:
 
 What are the advantages of 55mm any opinions on this lens
 
 Thanks JD




Re: Any suggestion for a wide angle with lowest distortion for stitching panorama images?

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
From what I've heard about panorama stitching, using wides is a _bad_
idea, because edge distortion makes overlapping tough.  Use something
like a 100mm.  This requires taking more photos, but the stitching is
apparently much easier.  Mind, I've not done this, just read about it.

-Lon

Michel Adam wrote:
 
 I will have the opportunity soon of shooting a 360' panorama, and I have
 a few lenses available:
 
 SMC-Takumar 24/3.5
 SMC-Takumar 28/3.5
 SMC-K 28/3.5
 SMC-M 28/3.5
 SMC-M 30/2.8
 
 Does anyone have any views on which would have the lowest distortion?
 
 I assume the Tak 28/3.5 is sharper than the 24, but I seem to remember
 someone mentionned that the 24 had some of the lowest distortion figures
 Pentax ever produced.
 
 I am also planning to use the 67, with the 55mm/3.5. Has anyone done
 panorama stitching with this lens? Would I just be wasting film?
 
 Michel




Re: SMC-FA 2/24 and 1.4/85: Good price?

2002-12-12 Thread Rfsindg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 It seems that I can't make a loss, doesn't it?? Help=%-]

Those are good prices, but you can always make a loss...
Regards,  Bob S.




Re: Sigma/Tamron vote no confidence in Pentax?

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
I'd bet the Pentax 100/3.5 macro is the best of the Cosina
rebadges for Kmount because:
a) it focuses the right way
b) it has SMC.

We have three Phoenix 100mm/f3.5 macros in the household
They're sharp, but they focus the wrong way, and flare
is noticable in the viewfinder.  Their only advantage
over the Pentax is an included 2-element diopter that makes
the lens go to life-size.

My M 100mm f4 Macro beats the pants off the Phoenix, btw,
and costs about the same.  So I switched the diopter; I carry
it with the M.  Ain't I a dandy?

-Lon

T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
 Which brings up a point.
 
 Is a 28-200 Tamaron with a Pentax name on it better than a one with a Nikon
 badge, or a Canon badge? Is a 100/3.5 macro Pentax better than the Vivitar,
 or the Phoenix? Except for the top of the line pro lenses which I would
 assume are at least designed in-house, can you be certain your high-priced
 camera brand lens is any better than the low priced off brand, or even any
 different.
 
 I find it amusing that folks will swear up and down that the brand they own
 is lots better than some other brand when they are actually the same lens.
 
 Out sourcing is a reality of our time whether it is cars, or cameras, or
 TVs, or what-not.
 
 Ciao,
 Graywolf
 http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 6:19 AM
 Subject: Re: Sigma/Tamron vote no confidence in Pentax?
 
  on 07.12.02 17:38, Joseph Tainter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I was away all of November, so I am just now reading the December issue
   of Shutterbug, including the report on Photokina. It appears that both
   Tamron and Sigma are introducing several new and interesting lenses,
   which are specifically not available in Pentax mount.
  All current lenses made by Sigma are available in KAF mount. I think these
  new products will be available sooner or later too. And if you look more
  carefully on the new  Tamron lenses (17-35/2.8-4, macro 180/3.5 ,
  70-200/2.8) it is obvious that these are OEM's made by Sigma! All of them
  are of course available in KAF-mount!
 
  --
  Best Regards
  Sylwek
 
 
 




Polaroid back for 645?

2002-12-12 Thread Artur Ledchowski
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1943673134
What is it? 
Regards
Artur
--r-e-k-l-a-m-a-

Masz do pacenia prowizji bankowi ?
mBank - za konto
http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank 




Re: Any suggestion for a wide angle with lowest distortion for stitching panorama images?

2002-12-12 Thread Herb Chong
Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From what I've heard about panorama stitching, using wides is a _bad_
idea, because edge distortion makes overlapping tough.  Use something
like a 100mm.  This requires taking more photos, but the stitching is
apparently much easier.  Mind, I've not done this, just read about it.

-Lon

by computer, you usually want a few pictures as manageable and to get as
much vertical as possible. a 35mm focal length is about as long as you want
to go then. ideal is a full-frame rectangular fisheye with 180 degree FOV.
reasonable compromises are rectilinear wide angles from about 20mm to about
24mm. if you have to use a rectilinear wide angle, the 15mm is best.

Herb




Re: looking for an odd lens

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
I'm gonna reply, but not about astrophotography.
I have two mirror lenses, both 500mm f8:  Lentar and
Spiratone.  the Spiratone is much smaller than the Lentar.

I shoot the Lentar a lot.  It is not a good lens, particularly
with regard to contrast.  But it _is_ a 500 and it was cheap.
I've found that boinking up contrast and saturation in Photoshop makes
a surprising difference with the Lentar.  If it only didn't give those weird
out of focus highlights, I'd now be in love with it.  But it's probably
going to be my only really long lens for a long time to come.

The Spiratone I've rarely shot, mostly because it is a true f8, and is
about a stop slower than the Lentar, which has a bigger front element and
less DOF than the Spiraton.  The Lentar also has a nice tripod mount.

-Lon

Doug Franklin wrote:
 
 Howdy, Peter,
 
 On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:20:10 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   I would say generally that mirrors are never quite going to perform like
  regular lenses, however if you can provide a stable platform that will help
  considerably.
 
 You know, I've seen this opinion expressed many times.  It's a very
 common opinion within photographic circles.  I've even fallen under its
 spell, though I have no experience with mirror lenses.
 
 But in astronomy, even at the low end of the price and capability
 spectrum, folks seem to prefer mirror telescopes.  Is there some sort
 of paradox here, or does it all have to do with the prohibitive expense
 of a refractive telescope/lens with 6 or larger elements?
 
 TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ




Re: Slightly OT: Digicam survey, anyone game?

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
Christian, I've  been thinking hard about buying an Optio.
Give us a lenghty considered review, please.  I'll be hanging
onto the edge of my seat til I see it!  - the review, that is.

-Lon

Christian Skofteland wrote:
 
 I have an Optio 330 and think it's just great.  Small size, CF, good optical
 zoom and Pentax etched into the front cover is what appealed to me.  Now
 with the underwater case I'm having a blast.  It's replaced my IQZoom 120 as
 snap-shooter
 
 I would have bought an Optio 430 but couldn't justify the cost of the extra
 megapixel.
 
 Christian Skofteland
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Pentax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 10:26 PM
 Subject: Slightly OT: Digicam survey, anyone game?
 
 
  I'm curious as to which of the current crop of digicams has the feature
  set or look that appeals to the Pentax users on the list (i.e., how
  many of you would take an Optio over a Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji,
  Olympus and all the rest).
 
  So, what I am looking for, if anyone is game, is your opinion on which
  digicam holds the greatest appeal for you. And why?
 
  Feel free to mention your second choice if you like.
 
  Restrictions are:
 
  1) no next-week-ware, must be on store shelves now
 
  2) no removable lens slr digicams
 
  Anyone interested?
 
  Dan Scott
 




Re: OT: Finally back!

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
Good to have you back, Mr. Owens.

Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We finally got our electric power back late yesterday, after 5 days without.
 Thank you Alabama Power, one of the many out of state companies who have
 come to North Carolina to help restore some sense of normalcy here.
   snip




Re: Polaroid back for 645?

2002-12-12 Thread Christian Skofteland
On Thursday 12 December 2002 13:55, Artur Ledchowski wrote:
 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1943673134
 What is it?
 Regards
 Artur

It's a polaroid back for a Pentax 645 camera.

see also:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh3.sph/FrameWork.class?FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___38599___NPFBPP645___REG___CatID=0___SID=F24C4D96F70

Christian




Re: KAF forced focus movement

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
How?  Really Big Hammer?  I expect not, but share.

-Lon

Collin Brendemuehl wrote:
 
 Forget it.
 I got it to work.
 
 Collin
 
 Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:47:45 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: KAF forced focus movement
 
 How can I FORCE (by pin shorting or some other means)
 the 28-70 lens to move?
 
 Collin




Re: Preflash on AF360-FGZ Causing Subjects to Blink?

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
If you do a group shot of two people, shoot twice as many shots
as you think you should.  By the time you get to 12 people, a roll
or two is in order.  God I hate group shots.

-Lon

Dan Scott wrote:
 
 On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 12:00  PM, Michael Cross wrote:
 
  On Saturday evening, I used my new (to me) AF360-FGZ to take some
  pictures at our Christmas party.  When I got back the prints, the
  majority of the photos had at least one person with their eyes closed.
 
  The house was fairly dark and the revelers had imbibed quite a bit of
  Christmas cheer by the time the camera came out.  Since everyone's
  eyes had adjusted to very dim lighting, I am wondering if the preflash
  on the AF360 caused people to blink so that when the photos were
  taken, their eyes were closed?
 
  Any thoughts?
 
  Michael Cross
  Chico, CA
 
 
 At any given point in time someone in a group is likely to be blinking?
 
 Perhaps, as I've noticed among people around here, some few in an
 advanced state of imbibification were doing the blink, blink, how
 many, blink, blinking photographers are in here, anyway? blink...
 routine?
 
 A possibility.
 
 Dan Scott




Re: OT: Finally back!

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
I'm by Gawd gonna name the next cat I find on my doorstep
Wheatfield.  I like the sound of it grin.
No offense, Mr. Robb, you are a favorite of mine here.

-Lon

David Brooks wrote:
 
 As far as the PDML goes, Bill,same old,same old:)
 However we did get a new kitten.Not sure if we should name it
 Wheatfield or MJ.
 (Sorry guys,just to temptingVBG
 
 Dave
  Begin Original Message 
 
 From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 lines.
 
 It's good to be back.  Have I missed anything interesting?
 
 Bill
 
  End Original Message 
 
 Pentax User
 Stouffville Ontario Canada
 http://home.ca.inter.net/brooksdj/
 http://brooks1952.tripod.com/myhorses
 Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail




Ilford Fine Art (was: EPson ink usage for color prints)

2002-12-12 Thread Mark Roberts
I just tried my first print on Hahnemuhl's William Turner Digital Fine Art
paper and I'm convinced it is indeed the same stuff as Ilford Fine Art.
Beautiful stuff, in other words.

This was also my first attempt at keeping a scan at 48-bit color depth all
the way through to the printing stage (you get a lot more options for
dealing with 48-bit images in Photoshop 7). It makes for a 100 megabyte file
from a 35mm slide (scanning at 2600 dpi) but it certainly looks nice! (Of
course I'd have to convert to 24-bit color and do a direct comparison to see
how much difference it makes and I'm not about to do that at the moment,
given the price of 13 x 19 Fine Art paper!)

-- 
Mark Roberts
Photography and writing
www.robertstech.com




Does Kodak have a film like Reala?

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
Subject says it all.

-Lon




Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
Greywolf,
I always thought the people who have done it for years
were here to help relative beginners like me.  That may
not be true, but I do sense giving back in here, and
it has helped me greatly.

Your posts, included.

-Lon

T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
 There is something to be said for what you advocate.
 
 (from here on I use the plural form of you (english is so silly about that))
 
 However, think of this. Many of those on this list have been into
 photography for many decades. The have read, thought, talked, studied, done,
 and just been involved in photography for what seems like forever to them.
 Now one of the things about those people is they are the experts that others
 on the list look to for answers.
 
 However, they have heard every question asked hundreds and hundreds of
 times. Now there are only two reasons for those people to be on this list.
 1--They like being a high holy guru. 2--They find a sense of community here
 that satisfies a need in their life. If you restrict what they can talk
 about to strickly Pentax and photography, the second group is going to leave
 the list.
 
 If you think that is a good idea, I suggest you go find a list run by and
 for the high holies and look closely at it.
 
 Ciao,
 Graywolf
 http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 5:31 PM
 Subject: Re: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
 
  You know I have many interests too. One of them is feminism. I can think
 of several hot topic issues under that banner that could really get people
 going. Things I care deeply about.
 
  But maybe, just maybe, I choose not to inflict my political opinions
 (because that is what they are -- politics is not just about political
 parties), on a camera/equipment photography mailing list that is
 non-policital and tries to stay pretty much on topic.
 
  I would recommend not interpreting restraint about engaging in an argument
 as fear that one's points won't hold water. I would recommend that one
 interpret it instead as good manners.
 
  And thanks to all that have shown them -- pro/con and in between.
 
  Doe aka Marnie
 




Re: A brief harrumph

2002-12-12 Thread T Rittenhouse
Ditto that, for me, Mike.

The thing is most people think professional photographer = famous
photographer. There are many, many professional photographers in the world.
There are few famous photographers. I read somewhere a few years back that
the average wage for full time photographers was $21,000 a year which is
pretty close to what I made when I tried long ago. I bet most of those
reading this list make quite a bit more than that. To be a professional
photo you need to be 1. reliable. 2. competent (not great). 3. cheaper than
the other guy. Probably the most impotant skill for a professional
photographer is not photography, but self-promotion.

In my opinion, most serious ameteurs are more skilled at photography than
most professionals.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 8:58 AM
Subject: A brief harrumph


  In fact, I seem to recall that
  I've read someplace around Luminous Landscape that Mike thinks of
  anyone who earns money with their camera and lenses as professional,
  and the rest he considers amateurs of various levels.


 If I'm the Mike you're talking about (and you weren't talking about
Michael
 Reichmann, who goes by Michael), I'm not sure I particularly care about
 the issue one way or the other. Pros know who they are, and there isn't
much
 mistaking a real pro. Where I differ from most hobbyists is that I don't
 consider pros to be the best photographers. I admire their skills,
business
 acumen, and problem-solving abilities, but generally I think that doing
 photography in return for money under the direction of someone else is not
a
 very good way to make good pictures.

 Albert Watson, for instance, is tremendously skilled and makes a million
 dollars a year (actually that's probably considerably underestimated). But
 by his own admission he photographs mainly blue jeans, sunglasses, and
 suits. His job is to make blue jeans, sunglasses and suits look cool,
new,
 and visually exciting, and constantly find new ways to do so. Not an easy
 task, but then again the end result is just not something I particularly
 care about.

 Another famous pro once said that his challenge was to take a picture with
a
 perfume bottle in it that would still be a wonderful picture if it didn't
 have the perfume bottle in it. But his tragedy, of course, is that he
cannot
 take the perfume bottle out.

 Overall, I'm not very charitable to pros. Anyone who wishes to do so may
 write this off to envy, sour grapes, prejudice, whatever. But I like
_art_.

 --Mike





Re: A brief harrumph

2002-12-12 Thread T Rittenhouse
I would guess there are maybe 25 people in the world actually making a
living doing that. There are a lot more doing it more as a self-supporting
hobby or as a sideline to other work.

Ciao,
Graywolf
http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto


- Original Message -
From: Herb Chong [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 10:29 AM
Subject: RE: A brief harrumph


 Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 The trick is not to get so burned out doing the stuff that pays that
 you have no motivation to do the stuff you love.

 tv

 editorial stock landscape and nature photographers have a slightly
 different slant, fortunately. first priority is to go to a place that is
 beautiful to photograph. getting started, you have no choice.

 Herb





Re: ME Super customization

2002-12-12 Thread Fred
F If you (or anyone) can come up with the URL for that site, please
F let me/us know - I'd be curious to see what some people have done to
F their LX's.  Thanks.

 Hi Fred,
it's
 http://www.pentax-fan.jp/BODY/LX_CHG.html

Thanks for the tip, Frantisek, although (after rummaging around a
bit) I found some crazy mods at
http://www.pentax-fan.jp/body/lx_handmade.html , and then some more
(from a link on that page) at
http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~hirofc3s/sub2-04.htm .

 There are several very strange mods... see for yourself.

Yes, v-e-r-y s-t-r-a-n-g-e ...  ;-)

I was mostly just ~passively~ curious - i.e., I wasn't really
excited about changing any of my LX's anyway - g.  About the only
Pentax mod that I'm really interested in at the moment would be an
attempt at Cotty's mod for the AF280T - I will attempt that on one
of the 280's one of these days...

Fred





Re: PROS

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
GreyWolf is BACK, dammit.  lol

-Lon

T Rittenhouse wrote:
 
 As I recall, we went though this what is a professional camera thing about a
 year ago, and hashed it out pretty thorouhly. Then I asked how we define an
 amatuer camera. No one was interested. So I will give the definative answer
 to both questions:
 
 Pro camera -- one you can not afford.
 Am camera -- one you have.
 
 Ciao,
 Graywolf
 http://pages.prodigy.net/graywolfphoto
 
 - Original Message -
 From: frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:39 PM
 Subject: Re: PROS-was:ABORTION-was: Way OT: GUNS, GUNS, AND MORE GUNS.
 
  Ah, but what if the pro is taking family snapshots on his day off?  Is he
 still a
  pro?  And would the camera he uses be a pro camera?  What if he uses the
 same
  camera to take those snapshots as he does whilst working?  Would it only
 be a pro
  camera while on the job, but an amateur camera on Sunday at the zoo?
 
  OTOH, what if he takes family snapshots, but years later, sells one of
 those
  shots?  Would the camera be an amateur camera, but ~suddenly~ turn into a
 pro
  camera?
 
  What if he ~was~ an amateur when he took the snapshot, but years later,
 turned
  into a pro, then sold the photo?  What's the body then?
 
  That should be enough to chew on for now...
 
  vbg
 
  -frank (in a devilish mood tonight)
 
  Peter Alling wrote:
 
   That's easy, professional cameras are the ones professionals use,
 amateurs
   use amateur
   cameras.
  
   At 05:24 PM 12/10/2002 -0600, you wrote:
   I've got one! I'm still not too clear on the difference between
 professional
   and amateur cameras ... (running and ducking)
   
 
  --
  The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The
 pessimist fears
  it is true. -J. Robert
  Oppenheimer
 
 




Re: Re : Who switched for Pentax ? (New in the list)

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
Good FOR YOU!.   We all know that EOS really stands for
Elitist Other Snot.  Grin.  I've never cared to air my boogers in
public.  The SMC 135 is a gem.  So is the M 50 1.4.  They
are both better lenses than I am a photographer, and I pack
both of these lenses most of the time.

-Lon

Pascal Guillaumet wrote:
 
 Hello everyone!
 
 I've been in the list for 1 week.
 I've semi switched back to Pentax, using the ME my father bought in 1976 and
 the SMC-M50/1.7 K that was mounted onto.
 
 I recently acquired the SMC 135/2.5 K (6 elements, 6 groups version) and the
 SMC-M 50/1.4 for 80 euros (approx. 80USD) for both.
 I 'm still waiting for the film to be developped to see if these lenses are
 lemons or not.
 (and I'm on a mint, almost new SMC-M 24/2.8 at a low price, below 50
 USD.)
 
 I must admit that using the ME with these lenses is a real pleasure, and I
 left more often my Canon EOS gear at home now.
 
 Regards,
 
 -
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.bords-de-mer.com




If you left Pentax, what Scurvy Dawg system would you invite into your life?

2002-12-12 Thread Lon Williamson
I'd go Olympus, or mebbe Nikon.

This thread should flare on for a while.

-Lon




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