100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)

2003-03-11 Thread Alin Flaider
Caveman wrote:

C Any info on the 100/3.5 macro that could decide me to
C go in favor of the FA 135/2.8 ?

   Yes, the 100/3.5 is the ugliest piece of crap that ever carried the
   Pentax name. The feeling of cheap was amazing even when I hold it
   side by side with the FA 28-70/4 - until then the champion of poor
   build quality for me...

   BTW, one of the things I recall from a respected former pdml member -
   Roberto Burgos - is that he highly valued his FA 135/2.8, both for
   optics and AF.

   Servus,   Alin



Re: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)

2003-03-11 Thread Th. Stach
Alin Flaider schrieb:
 
 Caveman wrote:
 
 C Any info on the 100/3.5 macro that could decide me to
 C go in favor of the FA 135/2.8 ?
 
Yes, the 100/3.5 is the ugliest piece of crap that ever carried the
Pentax name.

Ha ha, true. But this is due to the fact that Cosina builds it.
However, it's equipped with original SMC-coating and Pentax electronics.
And the optics are really cool! I like it much for that reason - but the
feel is disgusting, that's true. 
I got mine on ebay for € 89,- 
So nothing to moan about. :-)

 
BTW, one of the things I recall from a respected former pdml member -
Roberto Burgos - is that he highly valued his FA 135/2.8, both for
optics and AF.

I would also recommend to watch out for the SMC-F 135/2.8 [IF] on ebay.
The internal focus makes it fast and fun! Minimal distance is 0,70
meters!

Perhaps you'll like this, even if you won't get it that cheap as the
100/3.5 :

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2916203807category=4688

BTW, the seller is a very nice guy - I got my FA 85/1.4 from him (I
think it was the one, that Boz shot for his site :-) ...)



Thomas



Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Matti Etelapera
Arnold wrote:

 Boz, you keep repeating the same wrong speculation, so I will quote 
 again what Pentax USA writes:

 This is what they write on the *ist: Usable lenses - Pentax KAF2-(power
 zoom not available), KAF-, KA- and K-mount lenses (Autofocus possible 
 with KA- and K-mount lenses using AF adapter)


One can also quote from the Pentax Switzerland site (concerning the film 
*ist):

Kompatible Objektive
 Pentax KAF2 und KAF Objektive (ohne PowerZoom)  
 Pentax KA Objektive (AF mit optionalem AF-Adapter erhältlich) 

No translation needed I presume. I´ve seen this same information on a
german .pdf file somewere. Seems that even Pentax doesn´t know what lenses
the damn thing supports.

  -Matti



Re: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)

2003-03-11 Thread Th. Stach
Th. Stach schrieb:
 
 Alin Flaider schrieb:
 
  Caveman wrote:
 
  C Any info on the 100/3.5 macro that could decide me to
  C go in favor of the FA 135/2.8 ?
 
 Yes, the 100/3.5 is the ugliest piece of crap that ever carried the
 Pentax name.
 
 Ha ha, true. But this is due to the fact that Cosina builds it.
 However, it's equipped with original SMC-coating and Pentax electronics.
 And the optics are really cool! I like it much for that reason - but the
 feel is disgusting, that's true.
 I got mine on ebay for € 89,-
 So nothing to moan about. :-)
 
 
 BTW, one of the things I recall from a respected former pdml member -
 Roberto Burgos - is that he highly valued his FA 135/2.8, both for
 optics and AF.
 
 I would also recommend to watch out for the SMC-F 135/2.8 [IF] on ebay.
 The internal focus makes it fast and fun! Minimal distance is 0,70
 meters!
 
 Perhaps you'll like this, even if you won't get it that cheap as the
 100/3.5 :
 
 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2916203807category=4688
 
 BTW, the seller is a very nice guy - I got my FA 85/1.4 from him (I
 think it was the one, that Boz shot for his site :-) ...)
 
 Thomas

PS:
Sorry - I forgot, it's German. Tried a babelfish-translation: *g*

From my Pentax collection/equipment here a Pentax SMC f 2.8/135mm
objective with interior focusing and inserted extendable back light
screen comes. 

In accordance with test reports mechanically and optically even still
better than the Pentax FA successor. Also those as neutrally valid
French photo magazine Chasseur of d'Images was large the opinion that
it belongs to the best 135mm objectives, which they ever tested. 

The objective is in good to very good condition. In two small places
minimum lacquer abrasion is present, sees last picture. All glass areas
are clear and without scratches. 
Supply takes place with original front and back cover. No Ebay fee.



Re: flower pics

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
OK; http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/flower.html
Thx!  :)

BTW what kind of film did you use?  I like the shades of purple near the 
top edges of the flower.
Sensia 100.

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Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Arnold,

on 10 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list:

Let's go to CeBit and put an end to all this speculation!

Good idea! I might be there on thursday (13.), but that's not sure at  
the moment. Anyone else?

Cheers, Heiko



Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Th. Stach
Heiko Hamann schrieb:
 
 Hi Arnold,
 
 on 10 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
 
 Let's go to CeBit and put an end to all this speculation!
 
 Good idea! I might be there on thursday (13.), but that's not sure at
 the moment. Anyone else?
 

Are students cards or cards for university members available?
Those would be restricted to special days, I suppose???
(Haven't been there for years...)
D'you anything about the entrance fee? 
I'm from Braunschweig, so I'm rather interested ...

Thomas



Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Thomas,

on 11 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list:

Are students cards or cards for university members available?

Yes. All prices can be found here: http://www.cebit.de/21541

Cheers, Heiko



UKPDML 2003

2003-03-11 Thread mike wilson
Hi,

1. Did we decide a date/location finally?
2. Did our couch surfer possibilities come to a decision on
participation?

mike
making plans for the summer.



Re[2]: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Alin Flaider

   Come on, K mount compatibility is one of the very few Pentax
   trumps, and they need to play them all. Even if few posses both old
   lenses and new equipment Pentax still has to proclaim loud and
   clear our dslr takes whatever glass caries the Pentax name!.

   Until they come up with serious technological propositions like
   IS/USM that really tempt the users to buy new lenses, abandoning
   full K mount compatibility is not an option.

   BTW, I think you're wrong about the numbers. There are millions of
   K/M lenses out there and if only 1% (and that's very conservative)
   end up in the hands of enthusiasts, then Pentax should pay very
   close attention to satisfying this market segment.

   Servus,   Alin

Pål wrote:

PJ I personally don't think limiting compatibility of K and M lenses
PJ are particularly smart for their first DSLR. On the other hand, K
PJ and M lenses were being made for only 6-7 years over 20 years  
PJ ago. Hardly anyone who still use them have bought a new Pentax
PJ product in 20 years or ever. And very few of them will buy a DSLR.
PJ I believe such compatibility, and mind you I speak as someone who  
PJ actually use K lenses, are only for psychological reasons as the
PJ real market for DSLR for K and M lens owners is microscopic.



For Collin Brendemuehl

2003-03-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

I am trying to send you some e-mail off list. I've tried both
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses, but it keeps
bouncing back like this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]: host mail.safe-t.net[209.57.215.7]
said: 501
unacceptable mail address

I would appreciate if you provided me with some other address of yours
that would come through.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Paul Stenquist
I have found that it's very difficult to shoot birds in the wild with
anything less than an 800. Sure, at a backyard bird feeder, you can get
closer. But pictures of birds at the feeder get tedious in a hurry. I
frequently shoot birds in wooded areas where some of the best shots find
them high off the ground on tree branches. I use an 800 and monopod, so
that I can quickly aim up into the branches. 
Paul Stenquist

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Not really sure about this comment, but it is always better to use a shorter
 lens and find a way to move in closer than stick a big long lens on and stay
 far away. Atmospheric haze, slower lens, camera shake all conspire against
 the users of very long lenses. This person wants to shoot birds. Find a place
 where they hang out ( a feeder or nesting area) and work them from in close.
 Eventually they get used to you and you should be able to get them with a 300
 or 400...
 Vic
 
 In a message dated 3/10/03 11:47:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 I love this. I have no idea what you're trying to do, but I'm going to
 
 
 tell you to do it differently.
 
 



Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Dr E D F Williams
All the bird people I know who take good bird pictures use very long lenses.
Its not an easy task to get halfway up a tall tree to take a picture of an
eagle or an owl. They tend to bugger off pretty fast when people approach
and start crashing about in the branches. Also the bird watching platforms
are not easy to move. Its no simple task to swim half way across a lake
holding a camera over your head so you can take a picture of a rare aquatic
bird with your 400 mm lens.  Boats don't help much either.

D
___
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Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery
Updated: March 30, 2002


- Original Message -
From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Long lenses handheld?


 I have found that it's very difficult to shoot birds in the wild with
 anything less than an 800. Sure, at a backyard bird feeder, you can get
 closer. But pictures of birds at the feeder get tedious in a hurry. I
 frequently shoot birds in wooded areas where some of the best shots find
 them high off the ground on tree branches. I use an 800 and monopod, so
 that I can quickly aim up into the branches.
 Paul Stenquist

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Not really sure about this comment, but it is always better to use a
shorter
  lens and find a way to move in closer than stick a big long lens on and
stay
  far away. Atmospheric haze, slower lens, camera shake all conspire
against
  the users of very long lenses. This person wants to shoot birds. Find a
place
  where they hang out ( a feeder or nesting area) and work them from in
close.
  Eventually they get used to you and you should be able to get them with
a 300
  or 400...
  Vic
 
  In a message dated 3/10/03 11:47:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  I love this. I have no idea what you're trying to do, but I'm going to
  
  
  tell you to do it differently.
  
  





Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 Mar 2003 at 23:42, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a message dated 3/10/03 11:17:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
 I'm not sure I follow you here, but it's probably just me. If you want
 to get an IS lens, certainly Canon are presently the folks with the goods.
 
 
 You may be overestimating IS, though, if you think it replaces good 
  
  technique.
  
 Doug
  
  I'm with you Doug. I could care less about IS. My IS comes with three legs and
  it gives me stabilization with all my lenses.
 
 You can't do with your body what IS does.

Too bad if your subject is moving, IS is not a substitute for fast glass.

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-11 Thread Fred
 Why would you want a sharp portrait lens anyway ?

Well, ~I~ like sharp portraits, as a rule.  My subjects don't always
like 'em, so I have to be flexible.  However (as has been said here
before on the PDML when discussing portrait lenses), you can always
soften a sharp lens, but you just can't sharpen a soft lens.  I
would never consider a softish lens as anything more than a
secondary (although often useful) portrait lens.

Fred



Roberto Burgos - anybody heard from him

2003-03-11 Thread Rfsindg
BTW, one of the things I recall from a respected former pdml member -
Roberto Burgos - is that he highly valued his FA 135/2.8, both for
optics and AF.

Anybody know if he is still shooting?  I miss his PUG contributions.   Bob S.



Diaphragm actuator precision survey

2003-03-11 Thread Alin Flaider

  Hi everybody,

  Startled by a recent mention of bodies unable to precisely set the
  diaphragm aperture, I conducted a small test to see for myself. Not
  that I care much as I set the aperture from the lens most of the
  time, but I wanted to know how reliable exposure is for those rare
  situations when I recourse to program or shutter speed priority.

  Here's what I found: the MZ-5N consistently sets the aperture on
  FA 28-70/4 half of stop higher across the entire range, from 4 to 19
  (that is 4.5 instead of 4, ...22 instead of 19).
  On the contrary, it is very accurate with the FA 50/1.4 and FA
  80-320/4.5-5.6, where the size of the aperture set by the body
  matches exactly the one set on the lens. So it seems it depends on
  the lens, and not surprisingly in this case the poorer built lens
  performed the worst. 

  If you're willing to test your lenses and report back on the list to
  see if we can find a pattern, here is how to do it.  Note that this
  works only with bodies capable of electronic depth of field preview.
  On the bright side, the error is easy to detect.
  
  - set the aperture ring on the lens to A;
  - set the aperture value on the body (with bodies like 5N lacking
this feature just set the shutter speed to some value, measure the
light and record the aperture selected by the body);
  - press the DOF button to close the diaphragm;
  - while keeping the DOF pressed, disengage the aperture ring from A
and rotate it towards the target aperture value while looking
through the lens at the size of the physical aperture; the blades
should maintain their position all the way down from A to and
including the target aperture; the true aperture set by the body
is the one before the aperture shape has changed.

  Servus,   Alin



Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Pål Jensen
Bruce wrote:


 I'm beginning to strongly suspect a bit of translation/terminology 
 confusion going on here. What was originally meant in Japanese may not 
 have properly come through in English. If $300 is the cheapest body to 
 be sold in the US, then Pentax is dropping the biggest part of their 
 market. I doubt that this is the case.


I'm not sure. If the fact that the *ist is indeed entry level as Pentax says and that 
*ist is the brand name for Pentax 35mm slr's  are true, then it may make sense. 
Firstly, a new camera is going to be sold at premium price. Pentax still have 
MZ-series cameras to sell and the *ist is competing with all of them. When the 
warehouses are cleaned of MZ-series bodies, my guess is that *ist prices may drop. 
Secondly, if the *ist is indeed the brand name then the *ist is litterally the plain 
*ist. *ist D is an *ist with something added. It is conceivable that *ist [something] 
are the name of higher model wheres plain *ist is just that the entry level. 
Also, I wonder how long the bottom market of slr's will continue to exist. Now they 
are used and bought as advanced PS but how long will it take before digital is 
capturing this market for good? Then SLR's are for the more advanced users who know 
what they want. The *ist fit this bill as an entry to slr photography. 

Pål



OT: Which dcams have this feature?

2003-03-11 Thread collinb
When the shutter release is pressed and the image
is captured, it is immediately sent out the USB port
instead of being storedin memory.
TIA,

Collin



Re: Which dcams have this feature?

2003-03-11 Thread Herb Chong
the only ones i know are the top DSLRs that allowed tethered mode of operation. they 
don't use USB because it is too slow. either Firewire or SCSI for the really old ones. 
USB 2.0 changes the speed equation, but i don't think enough.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: collinb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 09:19
Subject: OT: Which dcams have this feature?


 When the shutter release is pressed and the image
 is captured, it is immediately sent out the USB port
 instead of being storedin memory.
 
 TIA,
 
 Collin
 
 



Re: Defining civilisation: Re: *ist v D60 and now the EOS 10D.

2003-03-11 Thread Steve Desjardins
  LOL. Depends how you define 'civilisation'.

 that which the English and Japanese practice that the Americans try
to
imitate.


Not true.  Americans have long since rejected civilization.  The
ratings were too low . .  8^)



Re: OT: Which dcams have this feature?

2003-03-11 Thread Gary L. Murphy
Your Message has been carefully placed in it's very own, specially prepared, 
luxuriantly hand crafted circular file where it will receive ALL the dignity and 
attention it deserves! 

And, in case you're too dumb to understand that. It's been placed in the TRASHCAN, 
moron!



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New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-11 Thread Steve Desjardins
This was my chain of reasoning, and hence I have the FA 100 2.8.  It's a
heavy lens, but it's sharp and has a very solid feel.  The adjustable
feel of the focus ring is very good for manual work (macro of portrait).
  Unless money or weight is a real problem, save up and go for this one.


 It also has that barrel aesthetic that Pentax seems to favor lately.
. . 


Steven Desjardins
Department of Chemistry
Washington and Lee University
Lexington, VA 24450
(540) 458-8873
FAX: (540) 458-8878
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/10/03 02:54PM 
Gregory L. Hansen wrote:

 They need to tempt users to new lenses, not introduce compatibility
 issues.

They would tempt me with a nice AF portrait lens. Let's see:

FA 77 - greta lens, but too short focal length
FA 85 - too expensive, a little bit short, great for indoor only
FA 100/2.8 macro - right focal length, great lens expensive, and hey, 
it's a macro
FA 100/3.5 macro - right focal length, nice price, a little slow, again

a macro
FA 135/2.8 - nice focal length, would be great except it's quite soft.

So where's that killer portrait lens ? I was looking hard and my best 
bet was the 100/2.8 macro.

cheers,
caveman



Re: UKPDML 2003

2003-03-11 Thread Cotty
Hi,

1. Did we decide a date/location finally?
2. Did our couch surfer possibilities come to a decision on
participation?

mike
making plans for the summer.



Er sorry Basil, what was the question again???

I'll try to be there. Wherever.

Cotty


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Re: New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-11 Thread Matjaz Osojnik
Hi,

never owning an 85 or similar lens before and been used to several 135 
lenses I've had in my bag, I was afraid 77 would be to short. Finally, I've 
bought an 77 and boy am I glad I did. Love it. It seems just perfect for 
portraits.

Matjaz


 They would tempt me with a nice AF portrait lens. Let's see:
 
 FA 77 - greta lens, but too short focal length
 FA 85 - too expensive, a little bit short, great for indoor only
 FA 100/2.8 macro - right focal length, great lens expensive, and hey,
 it's a macro FA 100/3.5 macro - right focal length, nice price, a
 little slow, again a macro FA 135/2.8 - nice focal length, would be
 great except it's quite soft.
 
 So where's that killer portrait lens ? I was looking hard and my best
 bet was the 100/2.8 macro.
 
 cheers,
 caveman
 
 




Re: OT: Which dcams have this feature?

2003-03-11 Thread Leonard Paris
From what I have read (I don't own one), the Kodak DCS-760 can do this.
This camera was expensive before but it has become obsolete and the prices 
for used ones should be getting a lot lower.  I haven't been searching eBay 
for one.

Len
---





From: collinb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Which dcams have this feature?
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:19:44 -0500
When the shutter release is pressed and the image
is captured, it is immediately sent out the USB port
instead of being storedin memory.
TIA,

Collin



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Re: Diaphragm actuator precision survey

2003-03-11 Thread Taz
Align

I hate to be the one to toss a rock in your gears but I see an inherent
problem with your theory.  On most zoom lenses the f stop changes as you
change the zoom setting.  Thus one reason why your testing proved better on
a 50 mm prime.  You also list that your test was done successfully on
another zoom however.  If the zoom is set on the shortest focal length then,
and only then with the exception of some lenses that claim f stop stays the
same, the cameras shown f-stop will equal what it says on the aperture ring.
I guess I would question the accuracy of doing this type of test in this
manner on any zoom lenses.

I've done some testing by setting the rig up on a tripod aimed at a steady
unchanging scene with a constant midtone color for a large area.  I would
use aperture priority to select an aperture with the ring set on A, making
sure it was not in between stops but at a full stop setting corresponding to
one available on the dial.  If it's a zoom use again only the shortest focal
length, primes again work better.  Note the corresponding shutter speed
selected by the camera.  Change the aperture ring setting to the same one
shown in the camera, and again note the shutter speed settings for any
change.  I would think theoretically they would be the same if all is well.



   Hi everybody,

   Startled by a recent mention of bodies unable to precisely set the
   diaphragm aperture, I conducted a small test to see for myself. Not
   that I care much as I set the aperture from the lens most of the
   time, but I wanted to know how reliable exposure is for those rare
   situations when I recourse to program or shutter speed priority.

   Here's what I found: the MZ-5N consistently sets the aperture on
   FA 28-70/4 half of stop higher across the entire range, from 4 to 19
   (that is 4.5 instead of 4, ...22 instead of 19).
   On the contrary, it is very accurate with the FA 50/1.4 and FA
   80-320/4.5-5.6, where the size of the aperture set by the body
   matches exactly the one set on the lens. So it seems it depends on
   the lens, and not surprisingly in this case the poorer built lens
   performed the worst.

   If you're willing to test your lenses and report back on the list to
   see if we can find a pattern, here is how to do it.  Note that this
   works only with bodies capable of electronic depth of field preview.
   On the bright side, the error is easy to detect.

   - set the aperture ring on the lens to A;
   - set the aperture value on the body (with bodies like 5N lacking
 this feature just set the shutter speed to some value, measure the
 light and record the aperture selected by the body);
   - press the DOF button to close the diaphragm;
   - while keeping the DOF pressed, disengage the aperture ring from A
 and rotate it towards the target aperture value while looking
 through the lens at the size of the physical aperture; the blades
 should maintain their position all the way down from A to and
 including the target aperture; the true aperture set by the body
 is the one before the aperture shape has changed.

   Servus,   Alin






Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

The EOS Rebel Ti 35mm SLR Autofocus Camera Body  sells for $240 at BH
(Canon's latest, greatest, current body). If Pentax doesn't have 
anything at this, or a lower price, in their line up they're screwed. 
Digital PS cameras are irrelevant: they are already the same price as 
an entry SLR and lens kit. People still buy cheap film SLRs.

BR

A year ago I bought my ZX-L body from BH for $250. I suppose that
with *ist hitting the shelves, the price could only go down...

---
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RE: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)

2003-03-11 Thread Cotty

BTW cheers - package arrived.

Rob

C'mon Robbo. Spill the beans! What was in the package??

;-)

Cot


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RE: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)

2003-03-11 Thread Camdir
Don't you try to enable me again!

Not me squire. Oooh no. Well, not much anyway. Just think, 200mm F2.8 
equivalent with min focus at (gets lens out of box and drools) 70cm.

The 50 was a good purchase though.

Cheers

Peter



Re[2]: Diaphragm actuator precision survey

2003-03-11 Thread Alin Flaider
Taz wrote:

TIf the zoom is set on the shortest focal length then,
T and only then with the exception of some lenses that claim f stop stays the
T same, the cameras shown f-stop will equal what it says on the aperture ring.
T I guess I would question the accuracy of doing this type of test in this
T manner on any zoom lenses.

  Taz,
  The 28-70 is a constant aperture zoom. The 80-320 was tested at 80
  setting. Focal length was invariant.

T I've done some testing by setting the rig up on a tripod aimed at a steady
T unchanging scene with a constant midtone color for a large area.  I would
T use aperture priority to select an aperture with the ring set on A, making
T sure it was not in between stops but at a full stop setting corresponding to
T one available on the dial.  If it's a zoom use again only the shortest focal
T length, primes again work better.  Note the corresponding shutter speed
T selected by the camera.  Change the aperture ring setting to the same one
T shown in the camera, and again note the shutter speed settings for any
T change.  I would think theoretically they would be the same if all is well.

  You can bet they would be the same, always. The whole problem lies
  not in what aperture/speed the camera displays, but in what aperture
  is effectively used when closing down the lens. You can't figure this
  without actually looking through the lens...
  
  Servus,Alin



Re: Re[2]: Diaphragm actuator precision survey

2003-03-11 Thread Taz
Alin

How are they running the tests on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p's, which were the
cameras that were specifically mentioned as having this problem originally.
They have depth of field preview, but it is a manual function rather then
electronic, that only works with the aperature ring actually turned to the
manual settings according to the manual.  It appears to work in the A
setting but it actually  always goes to the smallest aperature setting of
the lense when in the A mode, thus making it useless there.  I have noted
that the aperature setting noted in the display does not always seem to
match the numbers on the dial while in the middle, but rather somewhere
close.  However the high and low limits are the same.

My biggest question in all this is the metering in Program modes going to
wind up being off because of this, or is it just the manual modes using an
external lightmeter that are messed up.  This whole thing is getting a bit
confusing the more I think about it.  Is the metering even going to be
accurate in the manual aperature modes?  Which one is the camera going to
use for this metering...the actual position of the adjustment lever...or the
information the lens is feeding the camera electronically..ugh what a
mess


   You can bet they would be the same, always. The whole problem lies
   not in what aperture/speed the camera displays, but in what aperture
   is effectively used when closing down the lens. You can't figure this
   without actually looking through the lens...

   Servus,Alin






ATTN: Brendan - Lens Info Needed :-)

2003-03-11 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Seeing as how you've got the Tokina 2.6-2.8 28-70 AT-X Pro, I was hoping
that you could show me some shots taken with said lens or at least offer me
an opinion on your likes/dislikes.

I'm shopping for one currently as I think it's my best option at a sharp
and fast 28-70 that doesn't cost me a bundle.

Cheers,
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Re: Is flare bad?

2003-03-11 Thread Andre Langevin
Ghosting is a form of flair.In fact, ghosting is the only form of flair that
can be mitigated by quality lens coatings.
Regards,
Bob
True that some ghosts still have a lot of flair but, joke apart, are 
you sure lens coatings only improved ghosting?  I think it 
contributes to lower flare level of a lens even if lens 
construction is mostly involved.  Or have I been mislead by some 
readings?

Andre
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Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Levente -Levi- Littvay
Hello

In my quest for a multi-purpose lens I looked through the PEntax
selection.

What I know of this lens that it is extremely rare.

Anybody have one?  How is it?  How often does one pop up on the market
and what does it cost?  Is the zoom push pull or twist the barrel zoom?

Can anyone suggest viable alternatives?  (don't have to be Pentax, only
Pentax mount :))

Any info would be appreciated.

thx

L



Re: OT: Which dcams have this feature?

2003-03-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Mar 2003 at 11:52, Gary L. Murphy wrote:

 And, in case you're too dumb to understand that. It's been placed in the
 TRASHCAN, moron!

Gary,

Before you go throwing responses like this to the list quote some of the 
original message or at the very least the author.

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Tel +61-2-9554-4110
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Re: Is flare bad?

2003-03-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Mar 2003 at 15:56, Andre Langevin wrote:

 True that some ghosts still have a lot of flair but, joke apart, are 
 you sure lens coatings only improved ghosting?  I think it 
 contributes to lower flare level of a lens even if lens 
 construction is mostly involved.  Or have I been mislead by some 
 readings?

Ghost images are most usually a product of a bright light source reflecting off 
the glass surfaces (as it often has a discernible form). Whereas light 
reflected off the walls of the lens inside the barrel or off the hood or inside 
the body cavity have a scattered reflections and therefore produce veiling 
flare or an overall reduction in contrast.

So coatings reduce light loss, light loss is in the form of reflection 
therefore it's also safe to assume that contrast is improved too.

Cheers,


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
Anybody have one?  How is it?  How often does one pop up on the market
and what does it cost?  Is the zoom push pull or twist the barrel zoom?
Push pull I think.
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/medium/A35-135f3.5-4.5.html
Can anyone suggest viable alternatives?  (don't have to be Pentax, only
Pentax mount :))
A35-105/3.5?
http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/lenses/zooms/medium/A35-105f3.5.html
regards,
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Starist arrival...USA

2003-03-11 Thread MacBurt
Starist (film) and BG-20 moved further away  to April (mid to end) arrival. Pentax  
USA quote.
Optio S - end of March
Burt
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Re: Re[2]: Diaphragm actuator precision survey

2003-03-11 Thread Jostein
Interesting test you got there, Alin.

Just tried it out with my Z-1, and I think it's possible to do with
the Z-1/p too. Here's my method:

Make sure you have no film in the camera.
Turn the f-stop ring to A.
Dial in M-bu mode, and select an aperture with the rear dial (eg.
f/11).
Trip the shutter, and keep it pressed.
Watch the aperture blades while you...
Turn the f-stop ring from A towards the stop you selected with the
dial. When you turn beyond the selected aperture, the diaphragm opens
more. Turn the f-stop ring back and forth a few times and decide if
the aperture blades stop moving at exactly the stop it is supposed to.

Anyway, My observation with a Sigma 70-200/2.8 was that the aperture
was actually at f/13 when set to f/11 on the camera. IE, just the same
observation as you made with the FA28-70/4.

Jostein

- Original Message -
From: Taz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Diaphragm actuator precision survey


 Alin

 How are they running the tests on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p's, which were
the
 cameras that were specifically mentioned as having this problem
originally.
 They have depth of field preview, but it is a manual function rather
then
 electronic, that only works with the aperature ring actually turned
to the
 manual settings according to the manual.  It appears to work in the
A
 setting but it actually  always goes to the smallest aperature
setting of
 the lense when in the A mode, thus making it useless there.  I
have noted
 that the aperature setting noted in the display does not always seem
to
 match the numbers on the dial while in the middle, but rather
somewhere
 close.  However the high and low limits are the same.

 My biggest question in all this is the metering in Program modes
going to
 wind up being off because of this, or is it just the manual modes
using an
 external lightmeter that are messed up.  This whole thing is getting
a bit
 confusing the more I think about it.  Is the metering even going to
be
 accurate in the manual aperature modes?  Which one is the camera
going to
 use for this metering...the actual position of the adjustment
lever...or the
 information the lens is feeding the camera electronically..ugh
what a
 mess


You can bet they would be the same, always. The whole problem
lies
not in what aperture/speed the camera displays, but in what
aperture
is effectively used when closing down the lens. You can't figure
this
without actually looking through the lens...
 
Servus,Alin
 
 






Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread tm7536
I'm new to the board and thought I may help. I thought I saw one at Advance 
Camera in Portland, Oregon but after talking with them found out it was an SMC 
A 28-135 for $364 on consighnment. He thought it may go for less since it had 
been there for a couple of months. They are on the web at advancecamera.com and 
their phone is (503) 292-6996. They are a friendly enough staff should you 
call, and are the Pentax service center for the Northwest U.S. 
 Hello
 
 In my quest for a multi-purpose lens I looked through the PEntax
 selection.
 
 What I know of this lens that it is extremely rare.
 
 Anybody have one?  How is it?  How often does one pop up on the market
 and what does it cost?  Is the zoom push pull or twist the barrel zoom?
 
 Can anyone suggest viable alternatives?  (don't have to be Pentax, only
 Pentax mount :))
 
 Any info would be appreciated.
 
 thx
 
 L
 



Re: Re[2]: Diaphragm actuator precision survey

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
How are they running the tests on the PZ-1 and PZ-1p's, which were the
cameras that were specifically mentioned as having this problem originally.
I think the reason is that the Z-1p is the only body allowed the aperture to 
be chosen through the bodies. With program or shutter priority mode, the 
very same problem still exist, but not obvious to the users. I believe, but 
cannot prove, any Pentax bodies with program or shutter priority modes have 
the same problem. However, since most users use print films, the difference 
is too little to be detected on film.

They have depth of field preview, but it is a manual function rather then
electronic, that only works with the aperature ring actually turned to the
manual settings according to the manual.  It appears to work in the A
setting but it actually  always goes to the smallest aperature setting of
the lense when in the A mode, thus making it useless there.  I have noted
that the aperature setting noted in the display does not always seem to
match the numbers on the dial while in the middle, but rather somewhere
close.  However the high and low limits are the same.
I disagree. AFAIK, the shutter speed in program  aperture priority modes 
are not discrete. But the chosen aperture is always 1/2 stop difference in 
any mode. Another way to test is to fire the shutter in a dim room and the 
camera chosen aperture would be wide open. You would be able to see some 
lenses didn't fire wide open.

My biggest question in all this is the metering in Program modes going to
wind up being off because of this, or is it just the manual modes using an
external lightmeter that are messed up.  This whole thing is getting a bit
confusing the more I think about it.  Is the metering even going to be
accurate in the manual aperature modes?  Which one is the camera going to
use for this metering...the actual position of the adjustment lever...or 
the
information the lens is feeding the camera electronically..ugh what a
mess
When the lens is set to non-'A', the aperture resistor determines the chosen 
shutter speed. When the lens is set to 'A', everything is done 
electronically. This also raises another problem - sometimes the readings 
from these 2 methods do not match each other. Confusing huh?  :)

regards,
Alan Chan
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Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Fred
 Can anyone suggest viable alternatives?  (don't have to be Pentax,
 only Pentax mount :))

I personally really like the A 28-135/4, and the A 35-105/3.5 is a
good alternative.

Fred



Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread tm7536
KEH.COM currently has a slew of 35 -105 in A or F mounts and several 35-135 
F's. Tom M. ( new member)
  Can anyone suggest viable alternatives?  (don't have to be Pentax,
  only Pentax mount :))
 
 I personally really like the A 28-135/4, and the A 35-105/3.5 is a
 good alternative.
 
 Fred
 



Re: Re[2]: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread Steve Pearson
I AGREE WITH THIS 1000% If they do abandon the K
mount on the *ist D, I think it would be a huge
mistake.  Not only to current Pentax glass owners, but
non-owners as well.  If they do abandon the K mount, I
will abandon Pentax...


--- Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
Come on, K mount compatibility is one of the very
 few Pentax
trumps, and they need to play them all. Even if
 few posses both old
lenses and new equipment Pentax still has to
 proclaim loud and
clear our dslr takes whatever glass caries the
 Pentax name!.
 
Until they come up with serious technological
 propositions like
IS/USM that really tempt the users to buy new
 lenses, abandoning
full K mount compatibility is not an option.
 
BTW, I think you're wrong about the numbers.
 There are millions of
K/M lenses out there and if only 1% (and that's
 very conservative)
end up in the hands of enthusiasts, then Pentax
 should pay very
close attention to satisfying this market
 segment.
 
Servus,   Alin
 
 Pål wrote:
 
 PJ I personally don't think limiting compatibility
 of K and M lenses
 PJ are particularly smart for their first DSLR. On
 the other hand, K
 PJ and M lenses were being made for only 6-7 years
 over 20 years  
 PJ ago. Hardly anyone who still use them have
 bought a new Pentax
 PJ product in 20 years or ever. And very few of
 them will buy a DSLR.
 PJ I believe such compatibility, and mind you I
 speak as someone who  
 PJ actually use K lenses, are only for
 psychological reasons as the
 PJ real market for DSLR for K and M lens owners is
 microscopic.
 


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Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Paul Stenquist


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I wouldn't shoot them at the feeder. A properly placed branch above the
 feeder with the right background and you are off to the races...
 
I've done that. It can be nice. But I prefer to find birds in their
natural habitat. The hunt is part of the fun.
Paul



RE: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)

2003-03-11 Thread Rob Brigham
My new(to me) FA 75mm f1.4 for the *ist D.  The 77 will be too long a
portrait lens on the DSLR to me, so this should replace it nicely.
Looks like that is me committed to a degree now, its not a length I
would normally use on 35mm, despite its 'standard' tag - it is almost
always too short or not wide enough for what I want.  Rest assured, I
shall be trying to challenge that preconception now that I have what is
supposed to be such a fine lens though!

 -Original Message-
 From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 11 March 2003 18:50
 To: Pentax List
 Subject: RE: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)
 
 
 
 BTW cheers - package arrived.
 
 Rob
 
 C'mon Robbo. Spill the beans! What was in the package??
 
 ;-)
 
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RE: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)

2003-03-11 Thread Rob Brigham
Yeah, thanks.

To anyone considering buying from Sunny Brighton - I say go for it.  I
mailed him on Friday agreed a price, phoned on mondya gave the card
details and less than 24 hours later the lens is in my hands.  Exactly
as described.

Faultless as always peter - you da man!

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 11 March 2003 19:23
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: 100/3.5 versus 135/2.8 (was Re: New lenses)
 
 
 Don't you try to enable me again!
 
 Not me squire. Oooh no. Well, not much anyway. Just think, 200mm F2.8 
 equivalent with min focus at (gets lens out of box and drools) 70cm.
 
 The 50 was a good purchase though.
 
 Cheers
 
 Peter
 
 



Re: U.S. Price Of *ist Film

2003-03-11 Thread Frits Wüthrich
No, I wouldn't call myself a pundit. 

On Tuesday 11 March 2003 15:36, Peter Alling wrote:
 No, that was Mike.

 At 09:53 AM 3/11/2003 -0500, Doug wrote:
 Or a pendant.
 
 At 09:48 AM 3/11/03, you wrote:
  Hum, my guees was $300, so I was $0.05 off.
  $1 = £1.
 
 And you call yourself a pundit. . . .
 
 
 Steven Desjardins

 Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
  Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  --Groucho Marx

-- 
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Pentaxianado



Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 ATX Pro

2003-03-11 Thread Paul Eriksson
What's the general opinion of the above mentioned lens?

thanks
Paul


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Re: Re[2]: KAF3 lens mount already here?

2003-03-11 Thread tm7536
One of our local dealers' (Citizen's Photo) salesman was at PMA and handled the 
D *ist and said all current lenses would fit as well as the screw mounts. tomM
 I AGREE WITH THIS 1000% If they do abandon the K
 mount on the *ist D, I think it would be a huge
 mistake.  Not only to current Pentax glass owners, but
 non-owners as well.  If they do abandon the K mount, I
 will abandon Pentax...
 
 
 --- Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 Come on, K mount compatibility is one of the very
  few Pentax
 trumps, and they need to play them all. Even if
  few posses both old
 lenses and new equipment Pentax still has to
  proclaim loud and
 clear our dslr takes whatever glass caries the
  Pentax name!.
  
 Until they come up with serious technological
  propositions like
 IS/USM that really tempt the users to buy new
  lenses, abandoning
 full K mount compatibility is not an option.
  
 BTW, I think you're wrong about the numbers.
  There are millions of
 K/M lenses out there and if only 1% (and that's
  very conservative)
 end up in the hands of enthusiasts, then Pentax
  should pay very
 close attention to satisfying this market
  segment.
  
 Servus,   Alin
  
  Pål wrote:
  
  PJ I personally don't think limiting compatibility
  of K and M lenses
  PJ are particularly smart for their first DSLR. On
  the other hand, K
  PJ and M lenses were being made for only 6-7 years
  over 20 years  
  PJ ago. Hardly anyone who still use them have
  bought a new Pentax
  PJ product in 20 years or ever. And very few of
  them will buy a DSLR.
  PJ I believe such compatibility, and mind you I
  speak as someone who  
  PJ actually use K lenses, are only for
  psychological reasons as the
  PJ real market for DSLR for K and M lens owners is
  microscopic.
  
 
 
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The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread collinb
How many of you think you have enough equipment?
You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.
Who will face the hardest question of all?
:)


RE: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread David Chang-Sang
Collin.. 

tut tut tut... 
you can NEVER have enough toys... 

Never.. never I say

Booowahahahahahahahaa!!!

Insanely yours,
Dave


-Original Message-
From: collinb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:36 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The really difficult question


How many of you think you have enough equipment?
You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.

Who will face the hardest question of all?
:)






RE: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread J. C. O'Connell
I have WAY TOO MUCH equipment, but I
know for sure I will be buying more!
JCO

 -Original Message-
 From: collinb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:36 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: The really difficult question
 
 
 How many of you think you have enough equipment?
 You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
 but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.
 
 Who will face the hardest question of all?
 :)
 



Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread frank theriault
I can't imagine that anyone (especially on this list!g) will say they
have enough!

There's always something longer, wider, faster, more compact, more
features, better reliability, better suited to a particular use, etc...

Every piece if equipment that I have, I'll eventually discover it's
limitations, and realize that if only I had such and such, I could
~really~ nail this shot.  That being said, compared to many here, and
many of my friends, I'm no equipment junkie vbg.

That goes not only for photography, but other hobbies and endeavors as
well.

It's like a disease, really...

cheers,
frank

collinb wrote:

 How many of you think you have enough equipment?
 You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
 but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.

 Who will face the hardest question of all?
 :)

--
Honour - that virtue of the unjust!
-Albert Camus




Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread frank theriault
That, from a man who changes systems as often as most people change
underwear...  vbg

-frank

David Chang-Sang wrote:

 Collin..

 tut tut tut...
 you can NEVER have enough toys...

 Never.. never I say

 Booowahahahahahahahaa!!!

 Insanely yours,
 Dave


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-Albert Camus




Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Peter Alling
I'll be a dissenting voice.  I have enough equipment.  That doesn't
mean that there aren't one or two more things I might want.
At 08:36 PM 3/11/2003 -0500, you wrote:
How many of you think you have enough equipment?
You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.
Who will face the hardest question of all?
:)
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.  --Groucho Marx


Re: Alternative to the 360 FGZ AF flash on Mz 6

2003-03-11 Thread Joseph Tainter
Try Sigma, Sunpak, Metz.

Joe



Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Rfsindg
When I have one of everything Pentax made, then that will be enough!

(Well, maybe one A*135/1.8 to use and another to keep in the closet.)

(And I'll need a M85/2 to use, and - and - and... )

(I can say I definitely don't need three of anything, ...except maybe LX'es)

Bob S.

 How many of you think you have enough equipment?
 You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
 but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.

 Who will face the hardest question of all?
 :)



Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message -
From: collinb
Subject: The really difficult question


 How many of you think you have enough equipment?
 You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
 but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.

 Who will face the hardest question of all?
 :)

I would like a larger format than 4x5. I would like to go to 11x14, as that
is the size of print I like the most.

William Robb



Re: Long lenses handheld?

2003-03-11 Thread Gregory L. Hansen
Paul Stenquist wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I wouldn't shoot them at the feeder. A properly placed branch above the
  feeder with the right background and you are off to the races...
 
 I've done that. It can be nice. But I prefer to find birds in their
 natural habitat. The hunt is part of the fun.

I like fuzzy animals, too, and I've spent many hours in the woods looking
for them.  Then it occured to me I could go to the zoo and get lots of
fuzzy animals just sitting there for me.  And I had absolutely no desire
to go.  It's better to watch yet another sunset, hoping again to ambush a
fox that didn't show.  I don't head into the woods so I'll have something
to do with my camera, I bring my camera so I'll have something to do in
the woods.

Besides, feeders limit your targets.  I was going after a great blue
heron Sunday morning, then a kingfisher made an appearance.  I think
those are two that you wouldn't find at a feeder.



Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Herb Chong
give me a budget. reminds me of a story:

a teacher was teaching an English as a Second Language writing class and gave them a 
writing assignment to be completed in class. they were asked what they would do if 
they had a million dollars (this apparently was a story from the early 70's). the 
class busily got to work trying to express their hopes and dreams in a new language. 
about 2/3rd of the way through the class, a student came up to the teacher and showed 
them a piece of paper full of scribble calculations. they exclaimed to the teacher, 
not enough, teacher, i need another three hundred thousand. from somewhere in 
Readers Digest.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: collinb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 20:36
Subject: The really difficult question


 How many of you think you have enough equipment?
 You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
 but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.
 
 Who will face the hardest question of all?
 :)
 
 



Re: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 ATX Pro

2003-03-11 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Paul Eriksson
Subject: Tokina 80-200 f/2.8 ATX Pro


 What's the general opinion of the above mentioned lens?

I may have this lens. Mine is an ATX SD 80-200 f/2.8.
If this is the one you are asking after, it is very good.

William Robb



Re: eBay Boz's site

2003-03-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele


Well I have to get in on this discussion.  Firstly, people have been using the
displays of other
ebayer's without permission.  One New York TImes writer did an article on ebay -
it was supposed to
be this cute thing about ebay and how clever she was to link to another ebayer's
display.  I wrote
an overly polite letter to her pointing out that I spent a lot of time creating a
nice display for each
item I sell and it was not considered very nice to use the work of someone else
without permission.
(I would not have minded if someone selling something who had no way to show it
asked me if they
could tell people I had one for sale, too, and they could look at my picture - you
know , like a
Scrabble set or a set of dishes, etc.)  They didnt print my letter, but they did
print one who blasted
her soundly for the reasons we have been discussing here.

After reading a while back about the guy who had used one of the photos of a
camera from one
of our guys and the funny tricks that were played on him, I decided it was time to
discourage
use of mine by others by putting my copyright on all the displays I do (Now and
then I don't bother,
because it is an item someone else is very unlikely to be offering - one of a kind
something,etc.)

No one should be using other people's art to sell anything without permission of
the artist.  Chances
are there are situations where the owner of the copyright might give permission to
use it in exchange
for - at the very least -  credit;  But would respect the owner's wishes not to
use it.

annsan






Help Me ID a Camera

2003-03-11 Thread tom
Ok, here are the details:

It's a polaroid.
It had a 127mm/4.7 Rodenstock on the front.
It's a big gray folding rangefinder.
Seperate windows for rangefinding and composing.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

tv




Re: Elliott Erwitt on NPR

2003-03-11 Thread Ann Sanfedele
tom wrote:

 In case you missed it, Elliott Erwitt talked a little about
 photography and his new book:

 http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1186040.html

 tv

And I taped it when it was on.  I really thought Lopate did a
pathetically poor interview of
my personal idol.  I could hear Erwitt cringe and a couple of the
stupid things Lopate
said.  Just wondered if others who listened had a similar
reaction.  (I'm rather anti Lopate
anyway, so I'll have to say I didn't cut him much slack.)

annsan



Re: Alternative to the 360 FGZ AF flash on Mz 6

2003-03-11 Thread Peter Patershuk
Thanks Joe,
 I will look into those. Peter

- Original Message - 
From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative to the 360 FGZ AF flash on Mz 6


 Try Sigma, Sunpak, Metz.
 
 Joe
 



Re: Alternative to the 360 FGZ AF flash on Mz 6

2003-03-11 Thread Peter Patershuk
Hi Lawrence,
I think you are right in suggesting that I would be giving up allot by
not going with the 360 FGZ. I guess there are only so many corners to cut.
So it is time to be patient and save a bit longer and get the proper flash.
Thanks Peter
- Original Message -
From: Lawrence Kwan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative to the 360 FGZ AF flash on Mz 6


 On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Peter Patershuk wrote:
  I am not sure if I should save for longer and buy the 360 FGZ flash for
my
  Mz 6. Are there any real alternatives.

 But if you want to take advantage of MZ-6's (ZX-L in US) advanced flash
 feature, you really have no alternatives.  All the other flash and 3rd
 party ones can do the traditional TTL flash.  On the other hand, if you
 want P-TTL, High speed sync and wireless flash, AF360FGZ is your only
 choice.  Depending on your application, it may be worth the extra expense.

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smc 28-80

2003-03-11 Thread swadesin
I find two lenses 28-80 listed in Photodo Pentax lens test as below:

SMC-A 28-80/3.5-4.5  rating 2.1

SMC-F 28-80/3.5-4.5 rating 3.3

Does it mean that SMC-F 28-80 is far better than SMC-A 28-80 as above?

 

Thanks

Swades



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without a 360gz flash how do i get a flash sync of 1/500 or higher

2003-03-11 Thread adphoto
is there any way?



Re: New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-11 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 10:05 11.3.2003 -0500, caveman wrote:
Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote:

Why would you want a sharp portrait lens anyway ? I bet the FA 135/2.8 is too sharp 
for those really good portraits...

My reasoning is that there are many ways to soften a sharp image (optical filters 
on lens, photoshop, lab manip or just use an 1-hour lab with poorly calibrated 
machine) but it's impossible to to get more, crisp details from a soft image.
Regarding the really good portraits: several months ago our very own Saskatchewan 
Bill had a beautiful portrait on PUG:

http://pug.komkon.org/02jun/virginia.html

I was curious how he managed to get that gorgeous skin rendition, while  having 
superb textures and details. His answer: good make-up artist.
Note that he was using an 100mm macro, which is the sharpest lens that one may use 
for portraits.

Cheers,
caveman

Ok, I understand :-) I was just puzzled when you listed all those very sharp lenses
and then said the FA 135/2.8 is a bit soft... well, this is true compared to the
FA 100/2.8 macro at close range shooting.

Actually, I have made my best portraits (not actually set-up portraits but more like
candids) with the A* 85/1.4 and A* 135/1.8. I think the 135/1.8 is sharper than my
FA 100/2.8 macro. My best models for extra sharp portrait lenses have been old people.
Sharp lenses make the models so alive...

Antti-Pekka

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Re: without a 360gz flash how do i get a flash sync of 1/500 or higher

2003-03-11 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 17:03 12.3.2003 +1030, you wrote:
is there any way?

With a Pentax 6x7 leaf shutter lens and adapter to 35mm you
should get 1/500 (?) Not very practical and it would be cheaper
to get the 360gz...

Antti-Pekka

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Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi!

I must join Peter Alling here. Somehow my lenses cover 28-222 range
which is enough for my ability and even has some room for growing. Of
course, given three hundred thousand more I would like to get some
more fixed focal lenses, since by now I have only two and a half - one
50 mm, one soft focus (70 or so mm) and one macro converter...

But even with the very modest stuff I have (at least by PDML measure
as I see it) I can take pictures, enjoy the process and even enjoy the
results.

See - I can answer difficult questions some times bg.

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Re: New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
Sharp lenses make the models so alive...
Yet so angry...

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Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Levi,

on 11 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list:

What I know of this lens that it is extremely rare.

Yes it is.

Anybody have one?  How is it?  How often does one pop up on the market
and what does it cost?

I have one and you might be lucky - I want to sell it ;-) It is in mint  
condition, (see www.mycroft.de/sale.html) and it is a really great lens.  
It is sharp, contrasty and has a very solid built quality. I'm asking  
for 145,- Euro plus shipping (I'm living in Germany).

Cheers, Heiko



Re: New lenses (was Re: KAF3 lens mount already here?)

2003-03-11 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 23:19 11.3.2003 -0800, you wrote:
Sharp lenses make the models so alive...

Yet so angry...

regards,
Alan Chan

:-)

Antti-Pekka

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Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 08:22 12.3.2003 +0100, you wrote:
I have one and you might be lucky - I want to sell it ;-) It is in mint  
condition, (see www.mycroft.de/sale.html) and it is a really great lens.  
It is sharp, contrasty and has a very solid built quality. I'm asking  
for 145,- Euro plus shipping (I'm living in Germany).

Cheers, Heiko

That looks like the SMC A 28-105, not the A 35-135 he was looking for...

Antti-Pekka

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Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
I am also interested in other, non Pentax brand options.
Then you might be interested in the Tamron 35-135/3.5-4.2 (sorry guys, I 
know I shouldn't post eBay auctions here, but this is the only pic I have 
found)?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2916542261category=707

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Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Antti-Pekka Virjonen
At 09:26 12.3.2003 +0200, I wrote:
That looks like the SMC A 28-105, not the A 35-135 he was looking for...

Should have been:

That looks like the SMC A 35-105, not the A 35-135 he was looking for...

Antti-Pekka

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Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Ups - I was a bit too fast as I didn't read your subject line correct.  
So see my offered 35-105 as good alternative to the 35-135 you've asked  
for ;-)

Cheers, Heiko



Re: Pentax SMC A 35-135mm

2003-03-11 Thread Heiko Hamann
Hi Antti-Pekka,

on 12 Mar 03 you wrote in pentax.list:
That looks like the SMC A 28-105, not the A 35-135 he was looking
for...
Should have been: That looks like the SMC A 35-105, not the A 35-135 he
was looking for...

LOL. Great confusion here ;-) But you're right, of course.

Cheers, Heiko



Re: Re[2]: Diaphragm actuator precision survey

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
Well I'm glad you brought all this up as I've learned a bunch from all 
this.
I tend to notice problems that I am not supposed to, or I don't want to. But 
I do notice them somehow...  :(

Is f11 to f13 a full or half stop?
1/2 I think? f11  f16 is 1 stop difference, f22 is another.

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Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
How many of you think you have enough equipment?
You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.
Who will face the hardest question of all?
:)
Good question, I have never thought about this. Let me check with eBay and 
see if I'll find the answer...  :)

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Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
When I have one of everything Pentax made, then that will be enough!

(Well, maybe one A*135/1.8 to use and another to keep in the closet.)
Very good point! One set to use regularly, one set as backup, and of course, 
the 3rd set is 100% brand new and for private collection only. Ah... I feel 
so great...

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Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Paul Ewins
I have everything I can use and most of the things I want. The * ist D will
almost certainly be my next purchase and I have already bought a 35f2 to go
on it. With 5 MXs, an LX, MZ5n and Spotmatic I have 35mm well and truly
covered and there aren't any real gaps in my lense lineup considering what I
normally shoot.
I may upgrade my 6x7 in the future (add a 67 or 67II), but for now it is
good enough. My Speedgraphic is still good enough for 4x5 and I am using my
Instantograph as well now that I have worked out what speed the old
roller-blind shutter is working at.
If I had the room I would be looking at monoblocs and backdrops, but they
won't fit in my loungeroom so that is that.
As for things I want but won't really use, well there's always a 1000f8 or
perhaps complete the full set of 500's, but nothing much that is remotely
sensible. Oh yeah, there is still that Battery Grip M to go with the MX
motordrive and 250 shot back, but hopefuilly eBay will provide...

Paul Ewins
Melbourne, Australia
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From: collinb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:36 PM
Subject: The really difficult question


 How many of you think you have enough equipment?
 You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
 but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.

 Who will face the hardest question of all?
 :)




Re: The really difficult question

2003-03-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 Mar 2003 at 20:36, collinb wrote:

 How many of you think you have enough equipment?
 You may upgrade or transition to another medium or format,
 but the quantity and class of hardware suits you.
 
 Who will face the hardest question of all?
 :)

I have too much gear (I have recently sold a lot of it off) and the only new 
gear that I really need is a full frame DSLR, how ironic.

Cheers,

Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
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Pentax user since 1986 PDMLer since 1998



Re: smc 28-80

2003-03-11 Thread Alan Chan
I find two lenses 28-80 listed in Photodo Pentax lens test as below:

SMC-A 28-80/3.5-4.5  rating 2.1

SMC-F 28-80/3.5-4.5 rating 3.3

Does it mean that SMC-F 28-80 is far better than SMC-A 28-80 as above?
These 2 lenses should be optically identical. 'A' lenses were usually better 
built than 'F' lenses so the 'A' should score higher. It could be just 
another mistake they made (like SMC-A 70-200/4 which doesn't exist)? I don't 
know.

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Question about megapixels

2003-03-11 Thread Stephen Hoffman
I was talking to someone far more knowledgeable than myself and he was
saying that there is a difference in the quality of the pixel rating between
professional digital cameras and the garden variety point and shoot
digitals. Something to do with algorithms.  For example, would a Nikon D1 or
D1H with less than 3 megapixels produce better photos than a Kodak DX3900
with 3.3 megapixels?  Sometimes it's hard to understand why some of the
professional digitals are so expensive when their megapixels are so
ordinary.  Thanks.

Stephen