Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know
Well, no it really doesn't have The Knarf Look, it's way to sharp. Caveman wrote: Hey, it has The Knarf Look ! So it's not the camera, it's the photographer ! ;-) Nice capture, Frank. Wish you success with Photoshop, if you're adventurous, you'll be able to do some really cool things. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
If Espon and Chinon(Yoightlander), built a classic K mount digital body based on their Leica digital with the Bessaflex prism, (probably not as difficult as it might sound), I would bet Pentax would change their mind fairly quickly. Jim Apilado wrote: I recently had to replace my useable cell phone because a replacement battery couldn't be found. I mentioned Planned Obsolescence to the clerk. She just gave me that deer-in-the-headlight stare. She had never heard of P.O. A Pentax rep told me early this year that Pentax would never make a digital slr that would be fully compatible with early K/M lenses. It was upsettings to hear that news. Jim a. From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:22 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:20 -0400 NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed their lens mounts, they changed their new camera to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning these features it would be one thing but nothing was gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business practice. JCO -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements. Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO -Original Message- From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! Dude, Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows you to use 30+ year old lenses? That is the beauty of the Pentax system. If you want full compatibility, then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do with Nikon, Canon, etc. For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD. You can't beat the market prices and picture quality of Pentax MK lenses! --- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more like one shot AE with exposure lock only. Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE both open aperture for approximately the last 30 years. You say you want to move forward with digital but this major operational feature removal is acceptable? JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt inconvenienced. Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, -ON THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and M lenses. I use them nearly every day. as Good ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse. It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the K mount is a crock of shit IMHO. There are many fine K and M lenses that are being crippled by pentax *istD for zero technical reasons. But this is old argument JCO -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! While I understand that it's too early to make final judgments, is there anything to suggest that the support won't be as good? Shel From: Peter J.
Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers
JB On my way home from work, I drove by the local Yact Club, when the weather JB suddenly changed to rain. JB I came across these wind surfers: JB http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p7576484.html Very good shot! I much like the rainbow:) Attila
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Paul, I have tried it, I know exactly how easy it is to use, (and in many circumstances it is more than adequate), but it still pisses me off that the Camera was purposefully pprevented from fully using the K/M lenses. I understand exactly how John feels. It is the main reason that I don't actually own an *ist-d right now. Paul Stenquist wrote: Once again, you don't know how easy it is to operate the *istD because you haven't tried it. It sounded complicated to me as well, but I've found it to be very intuitive. Try it, you'll like it. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:49 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: KX and MX are not AE cameras so the *istD AE may be easier than the KX or MX, but the *istD metered manual mode cant be as good as the KX or MX because those cameras offer open aperture metered manual ON THE FLY realtime continously, JCO -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt inconvenienced. As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D is much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for which these lenses were originally intended. Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get out and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Kodak closes manufacturing plant and wholesale photo production lab in Oz
And so it continues http://au.news.yahoo.com/040916/2/qt1d.html Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software
Re[2]: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot
Hello Cotty, Thursday, September 16, 2004, 1:27:53 AM, you wrote: C Okay, I'll bite C http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html LOL! Seriously Cotty, you should start your own magazine sooner or laterg Attila
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Looks like it's Rob's point, especially since the late and in some quarters lamented MZ-D apparently had full K mount compatibility. Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? The camera is essentially a mechanical film body without a film advance and with an electronic sensor in place of the film. There is no more going on around the mount area than on any previous K mount bodies. The interface to the electronic system would have been a doddle and so would the software integration. Lets face they though it enough of a problem for the punters to implement the green button kludge after the fact . I bet that cause some debate and consternation in house, particularly in marketing (as they had essentially won to that point). My speculation only of course but I haven't heard any more logical arguments to date. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO: The Land That Time Forgot....
That's a very cool shot. Fred Widall wrote: This evening I noticed the sun was casting the shadows of my grandson's toy dinosaurs on the wall producing an interesting image. Hope you like it. http://ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall/dinos.html -- Fred Widall, PeopleSoft Developer, Applications Technology, Information Systems Technology Dept, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1. Phone:(519) 885-1211 x6440 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall -- -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW - Cute Kids Who I Don't Know
Hello frank, Thursday, September 16, 2004, 2:39:01 AM, you wrote: ft I've also decided to install Photoshop today, and this is my first ft attempt at doing anything with it - it sure is different from anything ft else I've tried, but it's obviously much more powerful as well. ft Better get one of those Photoshop for Dummies books at the ft library... You won't get much out of those, they are not written for photographers. I asked for books not long ago on the list, and got some very good suggestions (look back in the archives). ft Anyway, I don't know these kids (as you guessed from the title), but I ft thought they were cute (as you may have also guessed...): ft http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2701585 Very cute indeed, and the framing is very pleasing. I would crop just a little bit from the bottom. Attila
Re: PAW - Nazgul
On Sep 16, 2004, at 5:26 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote: As it stands, it comes across as a snapshot of a place visited. That's pretty much all it was meant to be. As you said, the sky was all wrong. Unfortunately the weather was pretty nasty the entire week. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: Kodak closes manufacturing plant and wholesale photo production lab in Oz
PL And so it continues PL http://au.news.yahoo.com/040916/2/qt1d.html Very sad news;( Anyone knows how Fuji is doing? Attila
PAW: just a flower shot
http://ns.atn.ro/~attila/album/view.php?i=6 This is also from the botanical garden. Perhaps someone who knows flowers better than me could confirm if it is really a Hibiscus as I think, or something else. Attila
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
I swear I'm going to be checking the tradingpost online every day first thing in the morning from now! Quokka? lol! Cheers, Ryan PS. Where in WA are ya? - Original Message - From: Nenad Djurdjevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. Ryan Lee wrote: Pentax Mdl 1LX, 35mm SLR black body with genuine Pentax 1.7mm lens, as new $150ono. (03) 59662978 Warburton. http://www.tradingpost.com.au/KeywordChecker.asp?state=VICpublication=VICs Msg=keywordsearch That's in Aussie dollars as well. We all know what an ILX is, don't we. And 'as new'. D*MNIT. I know exactly how you feel. A while ago I saw an advert in the Quokka a West Australian Trading Post type newspaper for a K2-DMD with motordrive and battery grip in excellent cond for $150 Aussie dollars. The paper had been out for a few days when I finally had the opportunity to browse through it and even as I phoned the number I knew I was too late. Of course it was gone and the seller told me that he could have sold it ten times over and that he must have had it in for too cheap. RRG
Re: BIIIIG prints - *istD style
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:30:00 -0400, Graywolf wrote: Repeatedly increasing or decreasing the size by about 10% until you have an image the size you want. -- Illinois Bill wrote: And the trick is? I tried this with Photoshop CS and I have to say I prefer the single step enlarged image to the many step enlarged image. The many step images were showing artifacts where the single step was smooth - for people I prefer the bicubic smoother image to the bicubic sharper. I ended up with 5 154meg images in Photoshop at the same time. I'm going to buy more memory before I do it again. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon
RE: istDs - what a great camera!
There may be some truth to the perception, but the perception was created to fool the general public and to aid the business. By no mean the inner decisions were made based on ethical reasons. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan False, companies fortune's ride on public perception. When you go down the path they are taking it is a very RISKY business _ Take advantage of powerful junk e-mail filters built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Peter J. Alling mused: Paul, I have tried it, I know exactly how easy it is to use, (and in many circumstances it is more than adequate), but it still pisses me off that the Camera was purposefully pprevented from fully using the K/M lenses. I understand exactly how John feels. It is the main reason that I don't actually own an *ist-d right now. Paul Stenquist wrote: Once again, you don't know how easy it is to operate the *istD because you haven't tried it. It sounded complicated to me as well, but I've found it to be very intuitive. Try it, you'll like it. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:49 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: KX and MX are not AE cameras so the *istD AE may be easier than the KX or MX, but the *istD metered manual mode cant be as good as the KX or MX because those cameras offer open aperture metered manual ON THE FLY realtime continously, JCO -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt inconvenienced. As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D is much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for which these lenses were originally intended. Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get out and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
[OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp Velly intellesting - they've used CMOS sensor for the first time :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
I haven't heard any more logical arguments to date. Damn, I posted 2 technical reasons came to mind but both didn't show up. What's wrong with the list? Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
No full frame as announced, yet what a disappointment. The day full 35mm frame gets back as a standard looks further than ever. The 12 MPixel on the APS senzor will stress the lens quality issue - I doubt any Nikon zoom will be sharp at that resolution. Also the analog white balance may very well hint to serious sensor noise: they probably had to do it in the analog stage to limit the amplification of an already high noise. Servus, Alin Sylwester wrote: SP http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp SP Velly intellesting - they've used CMOS sensor for the first time :-)
RE: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot
hahahaha - great one cotty! Tanya Mayer Photography Qld, Australia www.tanyamayer.com Ph +61 (07) 49831247 Mobile +61 0429831247 -Original Message- From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2004 4:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Rainbow Surfers - vertical shot This goes beyond comment. Cotty wrote: Okay, I'll bite http://www.macads.co.uk/snaps/spare.html Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Alin Flaider wrote on 16.09.04 9:39: No full frame as announced, yet what a disappointment. The day full 35mm frame gets back as a standard looks further than ever. The 12 MPixel on the APS senzor will stress the lens quality issue - I doubt any Nikon zoom will be sharp at that resolution. Also the analog white balance may very well hint to serious sensor noise: they probably had to do it in the analog stage to limit the amplification of an already high noise. We'll have to wait for real world tests, technolgy is changing rapidly and thus we may be wrong in our guesses :-) Either way from the specifications alone (and looks too ;-), D2X looks very impressive. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Technical reasons (Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
I can think of 2 technical reasons why the mechanical coupling was not employed in *istD *istDS. 1) Due to the unique design of the inner chassis (basically a few metal sheets screwed together), there is no space for the coupling ring because the lens mount was tightened onto the front metal sheet direct. Unlike the old die cast structure which can afford the extra space for the coupling ring, adding this mechanical ring between the metal sheet and the camera mount is possible, but it is going to add more than just the ring itself, but a whole new structure in between as well. This will increase the manufacturing cost significantly, as well as weakening the link between the camera and heavy lenses. 2) For the same reason, there is no space for the aperture resistor required for the mechanical coupling (takes too much space underneath the Pentax logo). So there is actual technical reasons to omit this beloved design which we have relied on for so many years, or at least I believe so. Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Paul you know advertising/marketing, do you really truly think that dropping the compatibility was more than a sales tools? There really is NO SOUND TECHNICAL REASON for its exclusion... My emphasis, above... So far as you know, you mean. Unless you sat in on production engineering meetings that approved all changes before the final design was complete, how can you possibly that? I suggest you don't. All these hard and fast pronouncements of fact are little more then educated suppositions. Good ones, but... Might be true, right? Then again, might not... hmmm. _ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: Technical reasons (Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
Alan Chan a écrit : I can think of 2 technical reasons why the mechanical coupling was not employed in *istD *istDS. No Alan, The design of the *ist DS is why the mechanical coupling was not employed in *istD *istDS. !! Michel
Early Pentax Flashes
I am looking for an early Pentax flash to do rear curtain sync. Does the AF200T or do I need to go to the 240 for this? Currently I have the 360FGZ but it fires a pre-flash for focusing and I do no want this as it fires off all the other flashes and they do not recover in time for the main flash. Kind regards Kevin - __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: Early Pentax Flashes
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Kevin Waterson wrote: I am looking for an early Pentax flash to do rear curtain sync. Does the AF200T or do I need to go to the 240 for this? Neither. You need an F (digitally controlled) flash. http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/hot-shoe/index.html Kostas
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Sarcasm Peter? On 15/9/04 11:43 pm, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much as I hate to encourage bitching for bitching's sake.
Mounting Slides
Any suggestions / tutorials for mounting slides at home? Best way to trim the frames? Sources for plastic slide mounts? Thanks! Shel
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
On 16/9/04, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed: Sure it's an educated guess but I'm educated. Mark, note that one down, mate ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Given that pentax havnt sold a K or M lens for a number of years it wouldl not make much business sense to spend too much money supporting old gear either. There is nothing unethical about it. A. On 16/9/04 12:59 am, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pentax wants you to replace perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business practice. JCO
Re: Early Pentax Flashes
This one time, at band camp, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither. You need an F (digitally controlled) flash. http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/hot-shoe/index.html Very useful, thanks for the link. From that I see the AF240FT should do it. Kind regards Kevin - __ (_ \ _) ) | / / _ ) / _ | / ___) / _ ) | | ( (/ / ( ( | |( (___ ( (/ / |_| \) \_||_| \) \) Kevin Waterson Port Macquarie, Australia
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Trying it is one thing. Using it every day is another. When you use it every day, it becomes second nature. You don't even realize you're doing it. After 8 months or so with the *istD, It feels just like an LX in ap priority mode when I use it with K or M lenses. My finger just pops the green button from time to time. I don't even think about doing it. It's not an inconvenience. And I don't resent Pentax for providing some motivation to buy new lenses. They have to if they want to survive. That is not unethical. On Sep 16, 2004, at 2:31 AM, Peter J. Alling wrote: Paul, I have tried it, I know exactly how easy it is to use, (and in many circumstances it is more than adequate), but it still pisses me off that the Camera was purposefully pprevented from fully using the K/M lenses. I understand exactly how John feels. It is the main reason that I don't actually own an *ist-d right now. Paul Stenquist wrote: Once again, you don't know how easy it is to operate the *istD because you haven't tried it. It sounded complicated to me as well, but I've found it to be very intuitive. Try it, you'll like it. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:49 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: KX and MX are not AE cameras so the *istD AE may be easier than the KX or MX, but the *istD metered manual mode cant be as good as the KX or MX because those cameras offer open aperture metered manual ON THE FLY realtime continously, JCO -Original Message- From: Mark Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt inconvenienced. As has been pointed out by others, using K and M lenses on the ist-D is much simpler than using K and M lenses on a KX or MX - cameras for which these lenses were originally intended. Anyone who has difficulty using K/M lenses on an ist-D needs to get out and practice manual shooting with an MX, K1000 or Spotmatic. -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW: just a flower shot
On 16/9/04, Boros Attila, discombobulated, unleashed: http://ns.atn.ro/~attila/album/view.php?i=6 This is also from the botanical garden. Perhaps someone who knows flowers better than me could confirm if it is really a Hibiscus as I think, or something else. Attila Nice but needs a faster shutter speed to freeze the action ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Early Pentax Flashes
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neither. You need an F (digitally controlled) flash. http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/technology/hot-shoe/index.html Very useful, thanks for the link. From that I see the AF240FT should do it. If you are to shell out, I recommend the 330FTZ. Way cool, despite not bouncing (the 240 doesn't either); you can always use a diffuser. Kostas
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
On 16 Sep 2004 at 14:31, Peter Loveday wrote: PS. *AR!* PPS. *ARGGGH!* Argh indeed! Not me either :( I bet Rob got it :) Nope, not me, I have two remaining LXen and I figure if I don't look I won't be tempted. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
RE: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
Actually, I don't. Does an ILX differ from a plain ole' LX? Don -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:28 PM To: PDML Subject: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. That's in Aussie dollars as well. We all know what an ILX is, don't we. And 'as new'. Ryan
Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
One question Paul: Once the exposure has been set and the aperture chosen, is it necessary to use the green button for subsequent exposures if they are all going to be at the same aperture and exp value? Shel From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trying it is one thing. Using it every day is another. When you use it every day, it becomes second nature. You don't even realize you're doing it. After 8 months or so with the *istD, It feels just like an LX in ap priority mode when I use it with K or M lenses. My finger just pops the green button from time to time. I don't even think about doing it. It's not an inconvenience. And I don't resent Pentax for providing some motivation to buy new lenses. They have to if they want to survive. That is not unethical.
OT - 650 jobs go as Kodak closes Melbourne plant
From abc news: Kodak Australasia has announced plans to close manufacturing operations at its plant at Coburg in Melbourne's north. Six hundred and fifty workers will lose their jobs as a result of the shutdown. Union officials have been locked out of a meeting between Kodak management and staff at the film production plant. Kodak has blamed a major downturn in conventional photography for the closure the plant. The Liquor Hospitality and Miscellaneous Union's Brian Daley says while the future of the plant has been shaky, many workers will be shocked. There will be a lot of people who hadn't foreseen this, a lot of people who've lost 20 or 30 years of their working life, he said. The unions fear the cuts will also flow on to 350 administration jobs.
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
Ryan Lee wrote: I swear I'm going to be checking the tradingpost online every day first thing in the morning from now! Quokka? lol! PS. Where in WA are ya? Quokka: a type of marsupial that looks like a cross between a rat and a small kangaroo that lives on an island off the coast of Perth, Western Australia. A strange name for a trading post newspaper I agree. I live in Perth (where else!). 80% or more of the population of Western Australia (which I am told is 7 x the size of Texas) live in one city, Perth (pop. around 1.5 million). Where are you in Australia?
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Once the exposure has been set and the aperture chosen, is it necessary to use the green button for subsequent exposures if they are all going to be at the same aperture and exp value? No. A press on the green button does a light metering that takes the aperture setting on the lens into account, and sets the camera to a suitable shutter time. That shutter time remains set until you a) press the green button again or b) change the shutter time manually with the Tv wheel. The shutter time does not change if you change the aperture. The shutter time does not change if the light conditions change. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/ med dagens bild och allt!
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
That is why it is such a good thing to post these auctions here on the list, so we all can decide to bid on these opportunities. On Thursday 16 September 2004 08:58, Ryan Lee wrote: FJW I swear I'm going to be checking the tradingpost online every day first FJW thing in the morning from now! FJW FJW Quokka? lol! FJW FJW Cheers, FJW Ryan FJW FJW PS. Where in WA are ya? FJW FJW FJW - Original Message - FJW From: Nenad Djurdjevic [EMAIL PROTECTED] FJW To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FJW Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 3:18 PM FJW Subject: Re: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. FJW FJW FJW Ryan Lee wrote: FJW FJW Pentax Mdl 1LX, 35mm SLR black body with genuine Pentax 1.7mm lens, as FJW new FJW $150ono. (03) 59662978 Warburton. FJW FJW FJW http://www.tradingpost.com.au/KeywordChecker.asp?state=VICpublication=VICs FJW Msg=keywordsearch FJW FJW That's in Aussie dollars as well. We all know what an ILX is, don't FJW we. FJW And 'as new'. FJW FJW D*MNIT. FJW FJW FJW I know exactly how you feel. A while ago I saw an advert in the Quokka FJW a FJW West Australian Trading Post type newspaper for a K2-DMD with motordrive FJW and FJW battery grip in excellent cond for $150 Aussie dollars. The paper had FJW been FJW out for a few days when I finally had the opportunity to browse through it FJW and even as I phoned the number I knew I was too late. Of course it was FJW gone and the seller told me that he could have sold it ten times over and FJW that he must have had it in for too cheap. FJW FJW RRG FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW FJW -- Frits Wüthrich
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
Ryan Lee wrote: I swear I'm going to be checking the tradingpost online every day first thing in the morning from now! Quokka? lol! PS. Where in WA are ya? Quokka: a type of marsupial that looks like a cross between a rat and a small kangaroo that lives on an island off the coast of Perth, Western Australia. A strange name for a trading post newspaper I agree. I live in Perth (where else!). 80% or more of the population of Western Australia (which I am told is 7 x the size of Texas) live in one city, Perth (pop. around 1.5 million). Where are you in Australia?
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
No, it isn't necessary to press the green button for a subsequent shots at the same exposure. The camera will maintain the same shutter speed and aperture. When I'm shooting somewhere where the light is changing I hit the button before each shot. I've found that this becomes an almost unconscious motion, much like hitting the rewind leve on a manual winding camera, but requiring much less effort and time. Someone like you, who prefers and is accustomed to a considerable amount of manual control, would find the *istD, and presumably the new model very easy to use with K and M lenses. With new lenses, I find the *istD almost too easy to use. I have to remind myself to stop and think before I shoot, because any camera is a dumb machine, and some are just less dumb than others. As I'm sure you know, it's the smart ones with auto everything that can trick you into complacency. Paul On Sep 16, 2004, at 7:21 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: One question Paul: Once the exposure has been set and the aperture chosen, is it necessary to use the green button for subsequent exposures if they are all going to be at the same aperture and exp value? Shel From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Trying it is one thing. Using it every day is another. When you use it every day, it becomes second nature. You don't even realize you're doing it. After 8 months or so with the *istD, It feels just like an LX in ap priority mode when I use it with K or M lenses. My finger just pops the green button from time to time. I don't even think about doing it. It's not an inconvenience. And I don't resent Pentax for providing some motivation to buy new lenses. They have to if they want to survive. That is not unethical.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 19:24, Keith Whaley wrote: Ha, ha... I knew you'd say that... No disrespect meant, Rob. You have a background in engineering, can you seriously imagine a reason why it wouldn't have been practical or economical to implement given it's inclusion on most all previous K mount bodies? Yes: The *vastly* lower profit margins on digital SLR's. Even if it only cost $10.00 to implement, that would make it too expensive for the ist-Ds. I expect it was left off the original ist-D partly for that reason, partly to maintain consistent lens mounts on the digital bodies and partly to SELL NEW LENSES. They are making little or no profit on the digital bodies. (I suspect Pentax lost money on the original ist-D, given the RD costs and its selling price.)
Re: istDs - bouquet
Simon King [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't give one whit about the frame rate (anything would be quicker than my TLR) or the lack of MLU (that's what the B setting and black velvet are for). Just to nit-pick: The MLU doesn't really make any difference at exposure times long enough to be achieved with B setting and black velvet; it's at exposures between 1/2 second and 1/30 that it's most useful.
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp Velly intellesting - they've used CMOS sensor for the first time :-) Still DX size sensor (1.5 FOV crop). I can hear the laughter and champagne corks popping at Canon...
Re: Queen Elizabeth Park gallery (complete)
It has been replaced with a less shadow one now. I asked a few persons and they all think the new one is better. :-) Alan Chan http://www.pbase.com/wlachan Nice shots there Alan! I particularly like 36 (some sunlight and I would like it even more- the weather feels overcast..)and 37 (very dramatic! though it would have been nice to see less shadow around where the flowers are. But I'm guessing you weren't carrying a giant reflector (or ND grads?)). I also love the colours and bokeh in 26, but would have preferred a different angle or a closer macro because the left seems a bit messy. Keep up the good work! _ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Well thats a bit of a turn around Greworld. Glad you finally realised it though. Mickey Mouse indeed. A. On 16/9/04 5:16 am, Graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LOL! Just messing with trying to upgrade the mickey mouse operating system on my computer. Your comment hits the spot. -- Bruce Dayton wrote: Tell that to Microsoft. Bruce Wednesday, September 15, 2004, 5:04:24 PM, you wrote: JCOC False, companies fortune's ride on public perception. JCOC When you go down the path they are taking it is JCOC a very RISKY business JCOC JCO JCOC -Original Message- JCOC From: Alan Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] JCOC Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:31 PM JCOC To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] JCOC Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! which is a very unethical business practice. JCOC Business would not be business if ethic was the major concern. That's JCOC how JCOC the real world operates. JCOC Alan Chan JCOC http://www.pbase.com/wlachan JCOC _ JCOC Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet JCOC has JCOC to offer. JCOC http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU JCOC =http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines JCOC Start enjoying all the benefits of MSNR Premium right now and get the JCOC first two months FREE*.
Re: An Enzo at the Dream Cruise
Bruce's comments got me to take a look at this shot, which I overlooked when it was first posted. It's a well done photo Paul, but the doesn't move me like earlier Ferraris. To my eye it's become a generic super sports car, lacking in the kind of style and panache of the older egg crate grille Ferraris. When I was in my mid- to late-teens, I used to go down to Luigi Chinetti's shop in NYC a few Saturdays a month, and, for some reason, was allowed back in the shop area where the cars were repaired, and where I drooled at the gorgeous works of automotive art.. Stuck in a corner was a dusty old Type 144 Mille Miglia, La Barchetta, the one that Chinetti drove at LeMans in 1949. Well, one day the car needed to be moved to another location, and I heard one of the mechanics call, Hey, Kid, c'mere, I need your help, in a heavy Italian accent. What he needed was for someone to sit in the car and steer it while he and another fellow pushed it to its new place in the garage. Man, was I thrilled! Some years ago a couple of friends and I went down to Pebble Beach for the races and the concours, and to enjoy the auctions. We paid a few bucks to register as bidders in the auction, mainly to get better seats and to enjoy a better view of the cars. Well, a very rare old Ferrari came up for auction (don't ask me to recall the model or what made it so rare), and when the bidding started I just couldn't help myself. I ended up bidding 1.4 million for the car (knowing full well that it would sell for a lot more) and if you've never experienced that sort of excitement, you're missing something. As it turned out the car sold for a lot more than my meager bid, but for a moment there my adrenalin was pumping LOL Thanks for rekindling the memories;-)) Shel PS Enzo Ferarris are, well, really expensive. I was surprised to see one PS out in traffic among the other 40,000 cars at the Woodward Avenue Dream PS Cruise in Detroit last weekend. Of course it's not as surprising as PS seeing a million dollar F1 car in a vintage race. If you can afford to PS break it, you can do what you want. In any case, I shot the Enzo with PS my SMC A 400/5.6 on the *ist D. ISO 200, tripod, RAW. PS http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2639520size=lg Shel
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Sep 2004 at 5:42, Shel Belinkoff wrote: While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW. Yes it will be great when there is no longer a technical advantage to shoot BW film. ;-) I don't think there *is* a technical advantage any more. You have to come to GFM next year and see some of Tom VanVeen's black white prints from digital. They convinced me.
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:58, Alin Flaider wrote: BTW, Nikon made public its support for full-frame in a very original manner, with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line. http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm Someone must have made a mistake, it's not April 1st, I heard here years ago that the F5 would be the very last film F series body. LOL PS I wonder if they could have squeezed in an SD card to DL the shot info :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:09: And Chasseur d'Images is saying the Canon EOS 2D full-frame, 22 megapixel camera is coming soon. Maybe, but the price??? So far 11MPix 1Ds is almost twice as expensive as supposed price for D2X (about 4000-4500USD). So there is always trade off :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
ROTFLMAO Shel From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes it will be great when there is no longer a technical advantage to shoot BW film. ;-) I don't think there *is* a technical advantage any more. You have to come to GFM next year and see some of Tom VanVeen's black white prints from digital. They convinced me.
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Rob Studdert wrote on 16.09.04 15:16: Someone must have made a mistake, it's not April 1st, I heard here years ago that the F5 would be the very last film F series body. LOL Maybe rumours that F6 will be able to accomodate digital back were true? PS I wonder if they could have squeezed in an SD card to DL the shot info :-) LOL! ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
On 16 Sep 2004 at 9:11, Mark Roberts wrote: I don't think there *is* a technical advantage any more. You have to come to GFM next year and see some of Tom VanVeen's black white prints from digital. They convinced me. I don't doubt they are great looking prints (and I'd love to see then in person) but I think it really does depend a lot on the subject matter. I still believe that BW film has the advantage in capture latitude (for a single shot) and that certain desirable film characteristics are difficult to emulate digitally. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Mounting Slides
Hi, Thursday, September 16, 2004, 11:38:36 AM, Shel wrote: Any suggestions / tutorials for mounting slides at home? Best way to trim the frames? Sources for plastic slide mounts? Thanks! Gepe make good plastic mounts that are very easy to use. I do it on a lightbox (there's a bumper sticker in there somewhere). I wear lint-free cotton gloves to handle the slides, use a pair of large, sharp scissors to snip them, then everything clips into the Gepe mounts very easily. Once I've cut the slide I don't trim. The secret is to be confident about cutting them. Practice a bit first on something that you can ruin. You can buy specialist mounting equipment, with inbuilt lights and guillotines etc, and I did once buy a slide mounter, but I find it much easier to do it as described. It takes quite a long time to do a large batch of slides, and is very tedious. I gave up mounting them all years ago, and now only mount something if I'm going to project it. -- Cheers, Bob
Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Sylwester wrote: SP On the other hand you can say that with SP APS-C sensor you get better use of long lenses - not loosing resolution in SP case of D2X. If those long lenses can cope with the 88 lpm resolution of the 12 MP sensor. SP Really? Can you point to web page with this official annoucement? Mea culpa, I read the headlines backwards. In fact they announced new EF-S lenses: http://www.photim.com/INFOS/UneInfo.asp?N=1034 SP Nice machine. There were rumours that it would be capable of taking FF SP digital back, but it was not confirmed. It's hard to believe Nikon would bring a F6 without some plans to match it digitally in the long run. Cause D2x falls quite short of a D6... Servus, Alin
Re: Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Alin Flaider wrote on 16.09.04 15:29: If those long lenses can cope with the 88 lpm resolution of the 12 MP sensor. Of course, that's why it is worth of waiting for real world tests :-) Mea culpa, I read the headlines backwards. In fact they announced new EF-S lenses: http://www.photim.com/INFOS/UneInfo.asp?N=1034 I've got you :-) It's hard to believe Nikon would bring a F6 without some plans to match it digitally in the long run. Cause D2x falls quite short of a D6... We can only guess for now :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
On 16 Sep 2004 at 23:11, David Nelson wrote: Remember Rob, the more of a success this camera is, the more chance you'll get your high end pentax DSLR. Tell your friends about it (-: Nice thought, but I can't flog Pentax to anyone I know with a clear conscience given their late track record. I'll have to admit I've pointed most people towards the market leader. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Rob Studdert wrote on 16.09.04 15:32: Nice thought, but I can't flog Pentax to anyone I know with a clear conscience given their late track record. Let's hope *istDs will be breakthrough :-) I'll have to admit I've pointed most people towards the market leader. HAR! So it was you! ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
On 16 Sep 2004 at 23:30, Ryan Lee wrote: Still! It would need to have a shot of vodka jelly in its belly to be not worth AUD150 with a 50 1.7 (I'm guessing it was an M..).. Sure but after you finally got it back from CRK (3 months and several calls later and a lot poorer) you would then have to clean up all the glue oozing out from under the vinyl and they you'd probably have to send it back because the metering won't switch on any more or the shutter won't lock (talking from experience here). Cured yet? M50 1.7s are a dime a dozen, next time I find one on the street I'll send it up, I still owe you :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
Hi, I don't think there *is* a technical advantage any more. You have to come to GFM next year and see some of Tom VanVeen's black white prints from digital. They convinced me. I don't doubt they are great looking prints (and I'd love to see then in person) but I think it really does depend a lot on the subject matter. I still believe that BW film has the advantage in capture latitude (for a single shot) and that certain desirable film characteristics are difficult to emulate digitally. I agree with you here, and I think we have to learn to treat them as different media. I have been to some wonderful exhibitions of digitally-printed black and white, but there are differences between them and 'real' black white, just as there are between different types of black white print, and different types of colour print. I think the quality of digital printing now is so good that it is a mistake to talk of better and worse in comparison to traditional prints, they are just different. A couple of years ago I had a chance to see a digital and a traditional print of a Salgado picture side-by-side. Although there was clearly a difference, I could not have said that one was better than the other. At about the same time, I took part in a small exhibition and showed some digital prints from Scala originals. While we were hanging the exhibition one of the other photographers - a real old-fashioned traditionalist - took a long look at one of my prints and said Look at that quality. They'll never be able to get that in digital. He looked distinctly crestfallen when I broke the bad news g. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:58, Alin Flaider wrote: BTW, Nikon made public its support for full-frame in a very original manner, with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line. http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm Someone must have made a mistake, it's not April 1st, I heard here years ago that the F5 would be the very last film F series body. LOL I was just thinking that! I suspect, however, that Nikon had committed to the F6 project long ago and had too much invested to cancel it even after it no longer made sense from a sales standpoint. It's just a marketing tool now. BTW: Didn't the F5 have interchangeable prisms?
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:47: BTW: Didn't the F5 have interchangeable prisms? Yes it had. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
It's not completely useless for BW. I've made some decent conversions and have printed them with some success on my Epson 2200. With a dedicated BW printer that uses a full set of grayscale inks, very good results are possible. I've seen some great inkjet BW prints in some pro portfolios. However, I don't want to give up my darkroom yet, and I'll continue to shoot some BW on film. I've been thinking about going out with the Leica or the 6x7 this weekend and parking the digital. I need some variety in my life. Paul Thanks Anders, Paul ... I hope the istDS allows for something similar for, as noted earlier, the price range is ideal for my intended use, and I don't really want to buy lenses to replace those which I already have. While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW. Shel From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, it isn't necessary to press the green button for a subsequent shots at the same exposure. From: Anders Hultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] No. A press on the green button does a light metering that takes the aperture setting on the lens into account, and sets the camera to a suitable shutter time. That shutter time remains set until you a) press the green button again or b) change the shutter time manually with the Tv wheel.
Vacation at last!
OK, now it's time for me to unsub for my vacation time :-) Be nice for each other when I am away in Italy and... read you soon :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sylwester wrote: SP On the other hand you can say that with SP APS-C sensor you get better use of long lenses - not loosing resolution in SP case of D2X. If those long lenses can cope with the 88 lpm resolution of the 12 MP sensor. The real test of those tiny pixels is the noise level. Canon has made amazing strides with lowering the noise levels of CMOS sensors. Presumably Nikon has as well because the pixel pitch of the D2X is about 20% smaller than the 8 megapixel Canon 1D-II (currently the finest pixel pitch of any sensor on the market). I'll bet that even if the predictions of the EOS 2D having 22 megapixels are wrong (I'm skeptical myself) Canon will apply the low noise technology from the 1D-II sensor to a new full-frame sensor and create an ultra-low-noise 11-12 megapixel camera that Nikon will be hard pressed to match with pixels that are almost half as big.
Re: Re[2]: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:57: I'll bet that even if the predictions of the EOS 2D having 22 megapixels are wrong (I'm skeptical myself) Canon will apply the low noise technology from the 1D-II sensor to a new full-frame sensor and create an ultra-low-noise 11-12 megapixel camera that Nikon will be hard pressed to match with pixels that are almost half as big. But you forgot that there is certain point, when bigger pixels won't bring lower noise levels. EOS-1Ds has similar noise level to coming from the same era EOS-D60 or 10D despite having much bigger pixel pitch. Kodak's FF DSLRs are even worse than that. This is caused AFAIR mainly due to much longer signal paths. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
On 16 Sep 2004 at 15:51, Sylwester Pietrzyk wrote: Mark Roberts wrote on 16.09.04 18:47: BTW: Didn't the F5 have interchangeable prisms? Yes it had. I thought that was an F series given? That's sad, probably impossible to do with all the gadgetry now housed in the prism. I used David Ns Refconvertor on my *ist D last time we met up, I'd never tried one before, I appreciate my LX finders now :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Rob Studdert wrote on 16.09.04 16:07: I thought that was an F series given? That's sad, probably impossible to do with all the gadgetry now housed in the prism. I used David Ns Refconvertor on my *ist D last time we met up, I'd never tried one before, I appreciate my LX finders now :-) LX finders were really nice! F3-4-5 had nice choice of them too :-) Sadly we won't probably ever see small format DSLR with interchangeable finder :-( -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
I've steered people to Pentax who are looking for a mid-priced DSLR. I simply tell them that they can find plenty of used lenses that are relatively inexpensive. That is a convincing argument for the *istD. On 16 Sep 2004 at 23:11, David Nelson wrote: Remember Rob, the more of a success this camera is, the more chance you'll get your high end pentax DSLR. Tell your friends about it (-: Nice thought, but I can't flog Pentax to anyone I know with a clear conscience given their late track record. I'll have to admit I've pointed most people towards the market leader. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
Lol! Owe me nothing- don't be silly ;-) Although if you must, please choose an item from my wishlist (the someday affordable version, not the sell my guitar then sell a kidney and beg them for a discount version): 1. AF 1.7x Converter (I sold my first one.. to finance other things..) 2. DA 14-65 3. Sigma 70 200 2.8 4. some Singh Ray ND grads and a Cokin P system 5. Sigma 1.4x teleconverter (stack stack stack and behold the sea of tranquility..) 6. D FA 100 2.8 Macro 7. Manfrotto carbon fibre monopod (haven't even begun to browse models yet) 8. A VHS or DVD (PAL) of the 1985 Gregory Hines/ Mikhail Baryshnikov movie White Nights Although.. if for some reason Sigma chooses to recall my 28-70 2.8 for focusing problems with the ist D (been talking with someone with a similar problem, who's been talking with other someones with similar problems- regarding the ist D shooting in AV at 2.8 with this lens not changing focus points when changing aperture? I'm still trying to get my head around it..) and pays me the AUD950 I paid for it back then, I'd be tempted to have a play with the Maxxum 7D.. Oh where was I.. Rightio..3 months with CR Kennedy??? Oh no. Sounds like it must have been a nightmare.. so did they fix it in the end? Now I'm a bit worried- my poor ist D must be feeling so homesick.. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: Re: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. On 16 Sep 2004 at 23:30, Ryan Lee wrote: Still! It would need to have a shot of vodka jelly in its belly to be not worth AUD150 with a 50 1.7 (I'm guessing it was an M..).. Sure but after you finally got it back from CRK (3 months and several calls later and a lot poorer) you would then have to clean up all the glue oozing out from under the vinyl and they you'd probably have to send it back because the metering won't switch on any more or the shutter won't lock (talking from experience here). Cured yet? M50 1.7s are a dime a dozen, next time I find one on the street I'll send it up, I still owe you :-) Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Technical reasons (Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
On 15/9/04, Alan Chan, discombobulated, unleashed: I can think of 2 technical reasons why the mechanical coupling was not employed in *istD *istDS. 1) Due to the unique design of the inner chassis (basically a few metal sheets screwed together), there is no space for the coupling ring because the lens mount was tightened onto the front metal sheet direct. Unlike the old die cast structure which can afford the extra space for the coupling ring, adding this mechanical ring between the metal sheet and the camera mount is possible, but it is going to add more than just the ring itself, but a whole new structure in between as well. This will increase the manufacturing cost significantly, as well as weakening the link between the camera and heavy lenses. 2) For the same reason, there is no space for the aperture resistor required for the mechanical coupling (takes too much space underneath the Pentax logo). So there is actual technical reasons to omit this beloved design which we have relied on for so many years, or at least I believe so. Alan Chan Alan thanks for your detailed explanation and I would respectfully note your obvious eye for engineering detail, but at the end of the day... 'can't' means 'won't' best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line. http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm Well, what would be *really* funny would be if the F6 took APS film... I think Nikon missed an opportunity both for humor and lens line consistency here. j -- Juan Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com blog at http://www.jbuhler.com/blog
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
That's hilarious! You should have got a picture of his reaction- digital of course.. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 11:47 PM Subject: Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!) Look at that quality. They'll never be able to get that in digital. He looked distinctly crestfallen when I broke the bad news g. -- Cheers, Bob
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
This place resembles speakers corner a little more each day. A. On 15/9/04 10:46 pm, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look, I'm a very big proponent of both backwards compatibility (in all things, not just cameras) and perhaps an even greater proponent of manual gear than most other people on this list. When the istD came out it was almost impossible to use the K and M lenses on the camera, although, surprisingly, the old screw mounts worked perfectly as I understand it - perhaps even better than on the original Spotties since shutter speed didn't have to be adjusted. I was a little disappointed, but the workaround - if you choose to call it that - essentially solved the compatibility problem of the K and M lenses, certainly well enough for just about everyone on the list who bought an istD. Paul's recent action shots seem lend credence to the ability of the K and M lens to do work quite well in the istd. OTOH, you seem to be the biggest complainer, yet you don't have a Pentax DSLR, have never used the workaround to see how easy or difficult it may be to use. To some that may seem a little odd. In reality, complete backwards compatibility has to be given up at some point in order to move forward. I don't like it, I'm not sure that's true in EVERY case - and since I'm no techie-digi-equipment-gearhead I can't speak to how difficult or easy it would be to have made the istD 100% compatible with every lens ever produced by Pentax - but that's the way it is. Parts from my newer Mercedes don't fit on my 1972 model, and there's not a damned thing on my beat up 1984 Toyota that will fit and work on a newer one. For all we know Pentax may have some future plans for that body, or for future lenses to be used on that and other bodies, that made it difficult or impractical to use that cam that you speak of. We don't know. But what we do have is a fix for the original problem that seems to satisfy all but the most critical (non)user of the istD. And when you add all this to the fact that every lens pentax ever made for 35mm cameras, plus other formats, plus lenses from other manufacturers, will now work on the istD, there's nothing to complain about, IMO. Shel [Original Message] From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/15/2004 1:09:28 PM Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! I know the camera cant do open aperture metering/AE at all based on discussions when the camera came out. That is NOT a good thing. That is a big reason I DON'T own and use one. I don't buy things that don't have what I want/need. JCO -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! So then you're not familiar with how the istD uses the older lenses, is that correct? From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/15/2004 11:17:07 AM Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! I am very curious as to how the *istD could EVER fully support the K/M mount lenses when it doesn't have the sorely missed aperture sensing cam, a $10 part found even in the cheapie K1000. Without knowing the relative aperture setting , how can the camera ever do open aperture metering? JCO
Re: An Enzo at the Dream Cruise
Shel Belinkoff wrote: Bruce's comments got me to take a look at this shot, which I overlooked when it was first posted. It's a well done photo Paul, but the doesn't move me like earlier Ferraris. To my eye it's become a generic super sports car, lacking in the kind of style and panache of the older egg crate grille Ferraris. When I was in my mid- to late-teens, I used to go down to Luigi Chinetti's shop in NYC a few Saturdays a month, and, for some reason, was allowed back in the shop area where the cars were repaired, and where I drooled at the gorgeous works of automotive art.. Amen, Shel! (he said, veering OT) The Ferrari of my dreams is still the Berlinetta Lusso... Best regards, Stephen
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
If I remember correctly, operating the DOF preview lever around the shutter release does the same than the green button in manual on the *ist D (I usually use the green button however). So as the *ist Ds HAS DOF preview this COULD work similarly. If this worked like on the *ist D, the cheaper model could be the better choice alltogether. Sven Zitat von Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks Anders, Paul ... I hope the istDS allows for something similar for, as noted earlier, the price range is ideal for my intended use, and I don't really want to buy lenses to replace those which I already have. While making coffee this morning I was thinking that it's too bad digital is pretty much worthless for BW. Shel From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, it isn't necessary to press the green button for a subsequent shots at the same exposure. From: Anders Hultman [EMAIL PROTECTED] No. A press on the green button does a light metering that takes the aperture setting on the lens into account, and sets the camera to a suitable shutter time. That shutter time remains set until you a) press the green button again or b) change the shutter time manually with the Tv wheel.
Re: Vacation at last!
On 16/9/04, Sylwester Pietrzyk, discombobulated, unleashed: OK, now it's time for me to unsub for my vacation time :-) Be nice for each other when I am away in Italy and... read you soon :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek Have a good time Sylwek. You meeting up with Giancarlo? He is a charming host Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Vacation at last!
Cotty wrote on 16.09.04 16:34: Have a good time Sylwek. Thanks Cotty, I'll try my best :-) You meeting up with Giancarlo? He is a charming host Unfortunately not, but I plan to make one day meeting with Dario in Ravenna :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: Vacation at last!
On 16/9/04, Sylwester Pietrzyk, discombobulated, unleashed: Unfortunately not, but I plan to make one day meeting with Dario in Ravenna :-) Have a great time, ciaiaiaaiaoiaaoiou, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Mailing list problems
I'm hoping this makes it to the list; I'll check the archives later to see if it did. I haven't gotten digest postings since sometime Sunday. Emails to [EMAIL PROTECTED] have not been responded to, nor have attempts to re-subscribe (via [EMAIL PROTECTED]). I'm still getting hundreds of emails per day so I don't think the problem is on my end. What's going on? == Brian Dipert Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 454-5242 (voice), (617) 558-4470 (fax) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com
Re: Vacation at last!
Cotty wrote on 16.09.04 16:39: Have a great time, ciaiaiaaiaoiaaoiou, Grazie molto! ;-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
On Thu, 16 Sep 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've steered people to Pentax who are looking for a mid-priced DSLR. I simply tell them that they can find plenty of used lenses that are relatively inexpensive. That is a convincing argument for the *istD. How about the viewfinder? Kostas
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Juan Buhler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with the announcement of F6. It'll be interesting to see how this goes with the small sensors in the digital line. http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm Well, what would be *really* funny would be if the F6 took APS film... Thanks. I just spit coffee all over my monitor! g Nice to have you back on the list Juan!
Re: An Enzo at the Dream Cruise
Stephen Moore wrote on 9/16/2004, 10:29 AM: Shel Belinkoff wrote: When I was in my mid- to late-teens, I used to go down to Luigi Chinetti's shop in NYC a few Saturdays a month, and, for some reason, was allowed back in the shop area where the cars were repaired, and where I drooled at the gorgeous works of automotive art.. Amen, Shel! (he said, veering OT) The Ferrari of my dreams is still the Berlinetta Lusso... First of all, Shel, I'm incredibly jealous. You must remember the NART spyders and coupes... I've always like the shapes of the 275GTB/4 and the 365GTB/4 On Monday I was sitting in traffic next to a black 550 Maranello. mm front engine V12s -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Image sensor article
I've gotten indication that my previous post earlier this morning made it to the list ok, although I'm still not getting anyone's postings. Anyhoo, thought you all might be interested in my latest image sensor cover story in EDN: www.reed-electronics.com/ednmag/article/CA450596 Both my *ist D and the PDML are prominently featured. Feedback via personal email, please; I don't know when Doug will be able to straighten out my digest subscription problem of recent days and until then I won't be able to see posts to the mailing list. == Brian Dipert Technical Editor: Mass Storage, Memory, Multimedia, PC Core Logic and Peripherals, and Programmable Logic EDN Magazine: http://www.edn.com 5000 V Street Sacramento, CA 95817 (916) 454-5242 (voice), (617) 558-4470 (fax) mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit me at http://www.bdipert.com
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Just a comment: I think the folks on this list really overestimate the importance of extreme wide angles. Most of the market for these kinds of cameras use mostly telephotos, so that concentrating the pixels into a smaller space is an advantage. The noise issue for the denser sensor remains, of course, and we'll have to see how well Nikon handles that. Just my humble opinion, of course . . .
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Strangely enough my opinion is that they simply no longer make lenses that use that coupling, so they decided they did not need it in the camera. Many of us here on the list sound a lot like those folks who screamed because their car no longer came with a starting crank. Then the screaming here on the list and other places made them think it was worthwhile to do a workaround in software. Or, the software could have been planned from the beginning, but the screams to get the camera on the market caused them to release it before that was fully implemented. We seem to be good at screaming here (grin). -- Peter J. Alling wrote: If Espon and Chinon(Yoightlander), built a classic K mount digital body based on their Leica digital with the Bessaflex prism, (probably not as difficult as it might sound), I would bet Pentax would change their mind fairly quickly. Jim Apilado wrote: I recently had to replace my useable cell phone because a replacement battery couldn't be found. I mentioned Planned Obsolescence to the clerk. She just gave me that deer-in-the-headlight stare. She had never heard of P.O. A Pentax rep told me early this year that Pentax would never make a digital slr that would be fully compatible with early K/M lenses. It was upsettings to hear that news. Jim a. From: J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:22 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:59:20 -0400 NO, YOU DON'T GET IT. I never said pentax changed their lens mounts, they changed their new camera to ignore the K/M aperture cam and have LESS features then the lenses can do. Big difference. If something was gained for abandoning these features it would be one thing but nothing was gained, it's ALL LOSS. Pentax wants you to replace perfectly good and capable lenses. That is called PLANNED obsolescence, which is a very unethical business practice. JCO -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 6:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: istDs - what a great camera! You still don't get it. Pentax didn't change their lens mount. K and M lenses work just fine with the *istD. Nearly everyone on the list who owns an *istD uses them on a regular basis. I think you should try it before you form an opinion. The mechanical linkage is an unnecessary addition that might well interfere with some other operation. Paul On Sep 15, 2004, at 6:29 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: The other mfgrs CHANGED THEIR LENS MOUNTS for technical improvements. Pentax did not, they just abandoned the K mount support WITHOUT any technical reason for doing so. Big difference. JCO -Original Message- From: Steve Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 4:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! Dude, Not to vent, but what other camera manufacturer allows you to use 30+ year old lenses? That is the beauty of the Pentax system. If you want full compatibility, then buy new lenses, just like you would have to do with Nikon, Canon, etc. For me, I'm as happy as can be with the istD. You can't beat the market prices and picture quality of Pentax MK lenses! --- J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is not a continous on the fly AE, that is more like one shot AE with exposure lock only. Not as good or as fast as a fully supported K lens which can do on the fly metered manual and AE both open aperture for approximately the last 30 years. You say you want to move forward with digital but this major operational feature removal is acceptable? JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 2:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! It does what amounts to aperture priority with a simple push of the green button. It will set the shutter speed automatically, so you really have only one motion to complete, pushing the button. I don't understand why some feel this is difficult. I do it in situations with constantly changing exposure and have never experienced a problem or felt inconvenienced. Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! It now does open aperture metered manual and Aperure Priority AE, -ON THE FLY- like every Pentax film camera always did? JCO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 1:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: istDs - what a great camera! I didn't know you were using an *istD, JCO. Mine works fine with K and M lenses. I use them nearly every day. as Good ?? It sucks now, I don't see how it could get any worse. It should get better, not worse. Not fully supporting the K mount
Re: istDs - what a great camera!
Interesting food for thought. Thanks, keith Rob Studdert wrote: On 15 Sep 2004 at 22:46, Keith Whaley wrote: True. But one does need a memory card (and you note they did compact that area on this body...) Subtract a power source (battery volume) and LCD space... Perhaps the lens mechanical linkage would have cut across space already allocated for something else. All of which might mean it wasn't a part of the original intent, wouldn't it... On all the old designs the aperture feedback resistor network (which could be very simply redesigned to provide gray code output) was situated just behind the mount, well clear of the body proper and was easily accommodated on all the late AF bodies. The linkage was virtually direct and looking at its operation I assume that it would be less likely to be prone to ware and generation of debris than the existing aperture actuation lever. [etc. snipped]
Re: Kodak closes manufacturing plant and wholesale photo production lab in Oz
Digital seems to be the catch all excuse these days. Certainly they did not close the plant and put all those folks out of work because they can produce the product cheaper someplace else. That might piss off customers. With Kodak having dumped something around 100,000 jobs here in the US over the past 10 years, I can not get too excited about 600 Aussies, sorry. -- Peter Loveday wrote: And so it continues http://au.news.yahoo.com/040916/2/qt1d.html Love, Light and Peace, - Peter Loveday Director of Development, eyeon Software -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
No, Don, it is just that the double stroke L on the camera looks abit like IL. Some folks mistake it for ILX or 1LX, but they are all the same camera though there was a mid-stream upgrade to the shutter on them which Pentax usually fixed for free if you sent the early camera in for any kind of service at all. -- Don Sanderson wrote: Thanks, was wondering about that. I have a box from one (probably as close as I'll ever get to an LX ) :-( How about LXen, I see that here a lot too. Is that just the later version? Don -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 7:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. It's just an LX Don.. I think it's because of the funky font that some see ILX instead of LX. A brand spanking 'as new' LX.. I think I know what I'm going to dream of tonight :(.. Cheers, Ryan - Original Message - From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:16 PM Subject: RE: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. Actually, I don't. Does an ILX differ from a plain ole' LX? Don -Original Message- From: Ryan Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:28 PM To: PDML Subject: D*MNIT! A bargain hunter misses out. That's in Aussie dollars as well. We all know what an ILX is, don't we. And 'as new'. Ryan -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT - Canon mailing list?
And the Pentax virtues are? Christian wrote: Peter J. Alling wrote on 9/15/2004, 1:27 PM: I'm not a Canon weenie, just tell him to get a real camera. ha! Trust me, I've explained the virtues of Pentax ad nauseum
Re: D*MNIT!!!!! A bargain hunter misses out.
Ooooh, a flame war. While I agree with you, Kostas, about posting auctions. I think we can equate top posters and bottom posters to top feeders and bottom feeders (grin). I read most of the messages on the list. I have no desire to read them again and again (even I do not have that much time on my hands). However, I do like to see enough of what the poster is replying to quoted where I can scroll down to it to refresh my memory. -- Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 16 Sep 2004, Frits Wüthrich wrote: (almost guarranteed for a top-poster). -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: OT - Canon mailing list?
Lon Williamson wrote on 9/16/2004, 11:49 AM: And the Pentax virtues are? This list for one! :-) Can't think of anym ore right now... :-P -- Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Use of Green Button (was Re: istDs - what a great camera!)
I think there's an inside joke, here... g keith Shel Belinkoff wrote: ROTFLMAO Shel From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes it will be great when there is no longer a technical advantage to shoot BW film. ;-) I don't think there *is* a technical advantage any more. You have to come to GFM next year and see some of Tom VanVeen's black white prints from digital. They convinced me.
Re: [OT] Nikon bites with 12MPix D2X
Sylwester wrote: SP EOS-1Ds has similar noise level to coming from the same SP era EOS-D60 or 10D despite having much bigger pixel pitch. I think they have the same pixel pitch. Servus, Alin
Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera
http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm He, he, told you so... -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com/graywolf.html
Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera
On 16/9/04, Graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm He, he, told you so... Special order only? ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|www.macads.co.uk/snaps _
Re: Film is dead, no one will bring out a new 35mm film camera
On 16/9/04, Graywolf, discombobulated, unleashed: http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2004/0916_02.htm He, he, told you so... Special order only? ;-) Cheers, Cotty I have all that on my D2h and use it in Av mode with single sensor AF. Lots of neat stuff,but how much is really necessary.?? Dave
Film vs. Digital
We've been keeping a record of our camera sales at the Wally World where I work. Since Sept 1, we've sold 1 PS film camera and 27 digicams. Bill
