Re: Pentax-F 4-5.6/35-80mm
Jens Bladt mused: I had a FA 100-300mm in 1992 when I got the PZ1. I didn't like it at all! Jens I purchased one (and a 28-105) when I bought my PZ-1p. It's the only lens I've ever got rid of because I didn't like it. And it's not that I get rid of lenses very often. Apart from lenses that went with cameras, I've only parted with a Tamron 300/2.8 (redundant once I'd accquired the Pentax version), and an M 80-200/f4.5 (in a three-way deal that got me the FA 80-320; part of my lightweight *ist-D kit).
Re: Prague PDML Meeting Pictures (very long)
Great pictures! Great city, I like Prague a lot. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:31 AM Subject: Prague PDML Meeting Pictures (very long) Hi everybody! For those who don't want to read, see: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder.tcl?folder_id=439491 For the others, a little tale... After a couple of years of attempts, I was able to go to Prague to meet our fellow Frantisek Vlcek, thanks to a period of vacation of a friend of mine Dario Arenare who, quite stubbornly, decided to go Prague with almost no advance. I thought this was probably the right time, so I started to help him looking for flights and hotel. We were able to find several flights (and packages with hotels) from Naples, just to see them become unavailable in few hours, so at the end we found a possibility with the Student Tourist Centre but we had to fly from Rome early in the morning, Dario three days before me and our Roman friend Eleonora, who joined us after several days of indecision. Too bad Veronica, my girlfriend, couldn't take any day off from work during that week. :-( The first day was quite long, I was coming by train from Naples and had to reach Eleonora's flat, where I arrived at around 8 p.m. Eleonora had to scan and send many documents to a notary for an inheritance problem so she didn't sleep at all. I did, but the alarm was set at 5 a.m. anyway - we had to take the underground and then a train to the Fiumicino airport, and the flight time was 8:50. At our arrival in Prague, we had an unpleasant experience, sadly familiar for a Neapolitan guy... A Italian man we met at the airport with his wife had been almost victim of pickpocketing while entering the underground train at the Dejvicka station. Unpleasant, and quite scaring for them. I'm not saying that in Naples you see something like that every day, but it's something I would expect. After this first contact with the city, we reached Dario at the Oya Hotel and went immediately to the city centre (the pictures from the Museum till the boat cruise are from the first day). The day after we went to Mala Strana, spending at least a hour on the Karluv Most (Charles Bridge) watching the crowd and the 30 statues... We arrived at the Castle a bit too late to see everything, but luckily the ticket was valid for two days. In the Cathedral (inside the castle), while I was taking the picture of the nave, a girl asked me something in Czech. I should have watched her as she was from another galaxy, then tried to communicate in English. She didn't speak English quite well, but I did understand that she was asking me how was that I was taking pictures even if it was forbidden (it was in fact mandatory to buy a permit to take pictures - without flash - in the castle). I explained her the permit thing, and she said she didn't have enough money. I should have watched her as she was coming from a galaxy farther away... Then I said, ok, I'll buy you the permit, it's not much money for me (what the heck, it is 30kc, less than $1...). Since she had a K-mount camera (a Braun branded Cosina) I showed her how to exchange the lens (she did try my Tamron 28-75 for a couple of shots). Unfortunately no picture recorded this encounter. The other, main encounter, with Frantisek, took place at the Stare Mesto end of the Karluv Most at around 6 p.m. of the second day. I hadn't seen even a single picture of Frantisek before, but I immediately recognized him. Is there a sort of a PDML look or something? :-) Frantisek did suggest a nice cafe in a narrow and quiet street (still in Stare Mesto, I think) where we had a pleasant and relaxing time. We then headed for a place to have dinner, but after a couple of failed attempts we ended in a bar with a very narrow choice of food (not bad at all, though). Frantisek invited us to his place for dinner on the following day, but the plans got modified in progress when, the day after, we found that we were quite late on our (theorical) schedule - think that we had lunch at 5 p.m We even missed the chance to visit the Synagogue and the Old Jewish Cemetery for it was day of cult... (especially Dario was extremely angry, he had three days available to visit everything but he waited for us to enter there, and the morning after we had to return home). Our second meeting with Frantisek was in this huge photo shop in Vodickova, not far from Vaclavske Namesti. Here I was enabled again, and bought an AF360FGZ - a minute before being thrown away from the shop as they were closing. Never seen a shop with a similarly wide selection of used gear (of any brand, they had a lot of 645 and 67 gear too, also tempting - worth another visit to Prague...) Our last dinner together was at La Trappola (the trap),
Re: Long zoom recommendations
Hah, this is simply not true. Sigma is a lot better in the long end than the 80-320 Pentax - which is not near 320 in reality. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:38 AM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations In tests the Sigma 70-300 APO comes a poor second to the Pentax FA 80-320! John -- Original Message --- From: Raimo K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:42:25 +0300 Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations I´d wager that Sigma 70-300 APO is better than the Tokina. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: Paul Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations Peter asked: I was thinking about A 70-210/4... Is it really that good? Yes, Peter, it is that good. Pentax made three or four manual-focus zooms whose results are, in every respect, indistinguishable from a great prime. The 70-210/4 is one of them. The others that come to mind are the 35-105/3.5 PKA and 75-150/4 (M? K?). Another PDMLer writes that the Tokina ATX 100-300/4 is available now at KEH for less than $200. If you don't mind manual focus--or, indeed, if you prefer it--grab it. This is one of those third-party lenses that you'll find every week on eBay--in the wrong mount. If you don't like it, you won't lose much in the resale. Paul Franklin Stregevsky --- End of Original Message ---
Re: Pentax-F 4-5.6/35-80mm
Yep, I have had the 100-300 Pentax as well and it is a very mediocre lens - you have to stop down a lot at the long end to get acceptable sharpness. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: Jens Bladt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 8:18 AM Subject: RE: Pentax-F 4-5.6/35-80mm Thanks Doug I had a FA 100-300mm in 1992 when I got the PZ1. I didn't like it at all! Jens Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
RE: Long zoom recommendations
I'm glad to hear that. I've been unhappy with my Sigma 70-300, especially on the ist-D. I ordered an 80-320 Pentax from KEH last night after reading reviews. The Sigma isn't really a bad lens, it just seems very inconsistent from stop to stop and FL to FL. I could never really predict what my results were going to be. The Pentax is very consistent throughout the FL range even out to 320mm I've tried the Sigma and it loses out especially at the 300mm end, contrast is below that of the Pentax 80-320 as well. It is however a very good lens with nice 1:2 pseudo macro etc. john -- Original Message --- From: Don Sanderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:20:49 -0500 Subject: RE: Long zoom recommendations I'm glad to hear that. I've been unhappy with my Sigma 70-300, especially on the ist-D. I ordered an 80-320 Pentax from KEH last night after reading reviews. The Sigma isn't really a bad lens, it just seems very inconsistent from stop to stop and FL to FL. I could never really predict what my results were going to be. Don -Original Message- From: John Whittingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations In tests the Sigma 70-300 APO comes a poor second to the Pentax FA 80-320! John -- Original Message --- From: Raimo K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:42:25 +0300 Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations I´d wager that Sigma 70-300 APO is better than the Tokina. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: Paul Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations Peter asked: I was thinking about A 70-210/4... Is it really that good? Yes, Peter, it is that good. Pentax made three or four manual-focus zooms whose results are, in every respect, indistinguishable from a great prime. The 70-210/4 is one of them. The others that come to mind are the 35-105/3.5 PKA and 75-150/4 (M? K?). Another PDMLer writes that the Tokina ATX 100-300/4 is available now at KEH for less than $200. If you don't mind manual focus--or, indeed, if you prefer it--grab it. This is one of those third-party lenses that you'll find every week on eBay--in the wrong mount. If you don't like it, you won't lose much in the resale. Paul Franklin Stregevsky --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Original Message ---
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
I wish one of my photo's would generate so much discussion. Kevin - Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: Long zoom recommendations
Hah, this is simply not true. Would you like to see some scientific proof? I'll scan you the tests. BTW I'm talking about the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro Super II, I've tried them both the Pentax takes some beating for a consumer zoom. Now if you were talking about the 70-200 f/2.8 APO Sigma it would be another story. I really like Sigma lenses (I own enough of them!) and the 70-300 is very good but it won't match the Pentax 80-320 IMO. John -- Original Message --- From: Raimo K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:39:29 +0300 Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations Hah, this is simply not true. Sigma is a lot better in the long end than the 80-320 Pentax - which is not near 320 in reality. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:38 AM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations In tests the Sigma 70-300 APO comes a poor second to the Pentax FA 80-320! John -- Original Message --- From: Raimo K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:42:25 +0300 Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations I´d wager that Sigma 70-300 APO is better than the Tokina. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: Paul Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations Peter asked: I was thinking about A 70-210/4... Is it really that good? Yes, Peter, it is that good. Pentax made three or four manual-focus zooms whose results are, in every respect, indistinguishable from a great prime. The 70-210/4 is one of them. The others that come to mind are the 35-105/3.5 PKA and 75-150/4 (M? K?). Another PDMLer writes that the Tokina ATX 100-300/4 is available now at KEH for less than $200. If you don't mind manual focus--or, indeed, if you prefer it--grab it. This is one of those third-party lenses that you'll find every week on eBay--in the wrong mount. If you don't like it, you won't lose much in the resale. Paul Franklin Stregevsky --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Original Message ---
Re: PAW - A River In Fiordland
On Oct 18, 2004, at 10:55 AM, frank theriault wrote: Of course, I wish you hadn't told me about the erasure of the grass, but I'm sure the photo looks better for it. As it is, it's stunning! It was only a couple of blades. See left of centre, at the bottom. http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/fiordland_grass.jpg Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: PUG Deadline Approacheth
On Oct 18, 2004, at 3:37 AM, frank theriault wrote: What if I submit, say, a photo of a Ferrari, and say it's red in real life, really it is. vbg. I saw a blue Ferrari once. It had a personalised license plate: YBRED. Cheers, - Dave http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
On 18/10/04, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed: I wish one of my photo's would generate so much discussion. Why Kevin, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about one of your shots. ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: Prague PDML Meeting Pictures (very long)
On 17/10/04, Gianfranco Irlanda, discombobulated, unleashed: Hi everybody! For those who don't want to read, see: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder.tcl?folder_id=439491 Hi Gianco, Thanks for posting - what a beautiful city. I wanna go! Glad you people had a good time. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW - A River In Fiordland
On 18/10/04, David Mann, discombobulated, unleashed: It was only a couple of blades. See left of centre, at the bottom. http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/fiordland_grass.jpg Three Hail Mary's and an Our Father for you me-laddo. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
FA 35 f/2 - European prices please
Hi Any PDMLers in Europe recommend a good online resource for buying a Pentax FA 35mm f/2, particularly Germany as I believe the prices are much better than here in the UK. I could buy from the US but customs will hit me with VAT @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. TIA John
Re: Prague PDML Meeting Pictures (very long)
Visiting Prague has always been in my wishlist, but never went there. Was it because in the past (during iron curtains years) Italians mostly went there for beautiful women and supposed easy sex? Not sure, however I never get there. One next day I'll have to go and check the situation :-) Dario - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Prague PDML Meeting Pictures (very long) On 17/10/04, Gianfranco Irlanda, discombobulated, unleashed: Hi everybody! For those who don't want to read, see: http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder.tcl?folder_id=439491 Hi Gianco, Thanks for posting - what a beautiful city. I wanna go! Glad you people had a good time. Best, Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Hi, Monday, October 18, 2004, 4:04:36 AM, Shel wrote: But Bill, The Caveman has left all the problems of his native country behind and has found a sort of Nirvana in Canada. No longer is there a need to be concerned with those who have less while one is on the quest for more. He has moved out of La Grotte de Lascaux and there is no desire to look back. I think you're being rather unfair there, Shel. Everybody has the right to improve their own lot - isn't that the American Way? Romania, when I met Val there, was a country with far greater problems than you're likely to see in California (for all its genuine problems), and far more than one individual - even someone as talented as Val - can fix. I've seen the down-and-outs in Santa Monica, and I've seen the way many ordinary people live in Romania, and believe me, Santa Monica is better. I don't mean this to sound like our poverty is worse than yours, or Monty Python's Three Yorkshiremen sketch, but everyone is entitled to their view on these things, and I think your comments to V. were a bit below the belt. -- Cheers, Bob
FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Hi Any PDMLers in Europe recommend a good online resource for buying a Pentax FA 35mm f/2, particularly Germany as I believe the prices are much better than here in the UK. I could buy from the US but customs will hit me with VAT @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. TIA John
Re: Long zoom recommendations
In all the tests I have seen the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro Super has beaten the Pentax - I find it hard to believe that the II is worse. In Foto Magazin (GER) they get the same 8.4 (out of ten) optically - but the Pentax is not tested. BTW the Sigma EX APO IF gets 9.4 both mechanically and optically but it is in another price class. In Practical Photography (GB) the Pentax 80-320 (actually 82-308) gets 6 stars (out of 10) and the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro - no Super - gets 7. But the non-APO gets 8 stars - and the MTF readings support this, Pentax shows only 60 in the middle at the long end while the Sigma APO has 70, non-APO has 65. I have the earlier Sigma 70-300 APO Macro - no Super, that - and it is immensely better at the long end than the 100-300 Pentax had before. Yes, I would like to see any test results you might have. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 10:40 AM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations Hah, this is simply not true. Would you like to see some scientific proof? I'll scan you the tests. BTW I'm talking about the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro Super II, I've tried them both the Pentax takes some beating for a consumer zoom. Now if you were talking about the 70-200 f/2.8 APO Sigma it would be another story. I really like Sigma lenses (I own enough of them!) and the 70-300 is very good but it won't match the Pentax 80-320 IMO. John -- Original Message --- From: Raimo K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:39:29 +0300 Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations Hah, this is simply not true. Sigma is a lot better in the long end than the 80-320 Pentax - which is not near 320 in reality. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:38 AM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations In tests the Sigma 70-300 APO comes a poor second to the Pentax FA 80-320! John -- Original Message --- From: Raimo K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:42:25 +0300 Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations I´d wager that Sigma 70-300 APO is better than the Tokina. All the best! Raimo K Personal photography homepage at: http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho - Original Message - From: Paul Stregevsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 8:33 PM Subject: Re: Long zoom recommendations Peter asked: I was thinking about A 70-210/4... Is it really that good? Yes, Peter, it is that good. Pentax made three or four manual-focus zooms whose results are, in every respect, indistinguishable from a great prime. The 70-210/4 is one of them. The others that come to mind are the 35-105/3.5 PKA and 75-150/4 (M? K?). Another PDMLer writes that the Tokina ATX 100-300/4 is available now at KEH for less than $200. If you don't mind manual focus--or, indeed, if you prefer it--grab it. This is one of those third-party lenses that you'll find every week on eBay--in the wrong mount. If you don't like it, you won't lose much in the resale. Paul Franklin Stregevsky --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Original Message ---
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
ca. $440 (19% VAT incl.) in Slovakia :-( Peter B.
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
C You have a sadistic pleasure for taking *portraits* of humans in C humiliating/degrading postures. You can do social and political activism C photography without being that specific. Think about it. Hey, that's your view. IMO out of bonds of PDML politeness. I don't find anything sadistic about either that photo or Shel. Still, for _me_, it's much much less bothering that most of the Kitch kittens and cavofilters. But I have the option of simply deleting them. I suggest you do the same if this bothers you that much. Or discuss intelligently! Good light! fra
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/02-3shh.html This is still a bit of a work in progress - there are a few things yet to do with some details, but I thought I'd present it anyway. Be happy for comments and criticism. I like it - it combines humour, pathos and a good-looking girl. I like the crop, too. S
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, John Whittingham wrote: @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. How about tekade? http://www.tekade.de/Angebot/angebot.html 359 Euros Kostas
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Thanks for the reply Peter, that's expensive. John -- Original Message --- From: Peter Belak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:21:46 +0200 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please ca. $440 (19% VAT incl.) in Slovakia :-( Peter B. --- End of Original Message ---
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Hi, to put my view back to photography, I have some comments on Shel's photograph here: First I thought the photograph a bit bland in composition elements. Then, I kind of liked the simplicity. Interesting are the postures of both. Her stare, the way she holds the joint (or what), sort of mix between somebody hurt and a movie star. Still, visually, I would like the visual elements more interesting. Perhaps even looser crop with some other visual interesest as well? To contradict Paul, I don't find fishnet stockings to hint at prostitution - lot of my friends wear them ;-) I guess it's just that I am younger. Shel, the photograph does have a high amount of sharpening for my taste - I think it would look better on the web with lot less USM. I don't find the photo that much political or sadistic g. As you wrote, you were photographing them for a longer time. They definitely didn't mind, or they would have told you so. Do you have more of a story in the rest (of the photographs of these two)? Good light! fra
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Shel's subjects weren't humiliated. They obviously agreed to be photographed and are apparently not ashamed of their condition. I see nothing wrong with documenting it. You seem to imply that Shel is in someway burdening the list with his street photography. It seems, however, that the vast majority enjoy it. No one should attempt to impose artistic limitations on the work of others. Please refrain from cluttering the list with such mindless BS. Paul On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:16 PM, Caveman wrote: Why don't you discuss your photo instead of general politics or the well-being of the Caveman. You have a sadistic pleasure for taking *portraits* of humans in humiliating/degrading postures. You can do social and political activism photography without being that specific. Think about it. Shel Belinkoff wrote: But Bill, The Caveman has left all the problems of his native country behind and has found a sort of Nirvana in Canada. No longer is there a need to be concerned with those who have less while one is on the quest for more. He has moved out of La Grotte de Lascaux and there is no desire to look back.
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Thanks Kostas it's a start but that's about £248 GBP as opposed to £166 at Adorama, am I wrong about European prices? Is everything cheaper in the US? John -- Original Message --- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:34:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, John Whittingham wrote: @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. How about tekade? http://www.tekade.de/Angebot/angebot.html 359 Euros Kostas --- End of Original Message ---
Re: PAW: In the Library
Hi Frank, that's another of yours that I would love to see in print. Perhaps someday you come to Prague (on a bike I hope) ;-) ? The web version is too small to do it justice. I find it quite interesting. Good! Good light! fra
Re: SV: Another Side of Detroit
Thanks Jens. I shot it for my friends who live on that lake. Since it's somewhat of a cliche, I hadn't intended to post it on the web. But I figured what the heck, it may be devoid of an idea but at least it's easy on the eyes. Paul On Oct 18, 2004, at 1:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: A beautiful, classic sunset. Very well done. I'm glad to know that Detroit is more than Motown. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. oktober 2004 20:16 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: PAW: Another Side of Detroit Few realize that the Detroit suburbs are chock full of lakes and trees. The image of downtown casts the entire area in unfortunate tones of gray and black. In truth, the metropolitan area is one of the most beautiful of any large city. Here's a shot of Sylvan Lake at sunset. I grabbed this on the way back from shooting my wakeboarding series. It's less than 15 miles from the city limits. There are hundreds of lakes within 25 miles of the city center. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2791439 Paul
WTB SMC Pentax-FA 35mm f/2
..does anyone have one they wish to sell or exchange for some other equipment? John
Re: PESO - Portrait of Tina
I love the expression and the diagonal composition, This shot has a lot going for it. IMHO there are c couple of small tweaks that could improve the picture: 1. clone out the background out of focus highlights near the top left and right corners. 2. darken the background 3. not sure about this but worth a try, Clone out the strand of hair crossing her left eye. Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2793927 I'm trying to improve my protrait technique and I offer up this image for critique. Shot with my Ricohmatic 225 on Agfa APX 100 film. Developed in Rodinal (1:100 for 60 mins) scanned on my Epson 3170. Heavily cropped in PS7 with contrast levels adjusted. I like the pose and the tight cropping but I think I overdid the increase in contrast a little - some detail in her hair has been lost. I tried smoothing her skin texture by using a blurred second layer but it looked very artifical so I've left it alone. Comments ??? -- Fred Widall, Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall --
Re: Flash bracket for the 500FTZ
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, mike wilson wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I think I am getting there. What do you mean by any connector? My understanding is that I am looking for a part that slides into the HSG hotshoe and provides a hotshoe to be used just as a stand for the flash. Am I right? I know all about the cables and the other adapters necessary (incl. the difference between F and Fg). But are you sure that a generic hotshoe connector with connections won't destroy the recipe (or the circuitry)? Me being imprecise again You need only a dead (no connections) connector that will mount on the HSG and allow you to mount the flash on it. The HSG and flash will then be insulated from each other. The connection from the flash to the camera will be by the 5P cable. Thus you will get all the tricks of the digital flash, off camera. OK, so I got there in the end. I just want to point out that the dead connector is not necessary, as the HSG does not bear any signals until you stick a (4P) cable to it. So, one just sticks the flash on the HSG connector; wire the camera with the flash and that's you. The only reason you may want to use an Off-Shoe Camera Adapter F is if your flash does not have a 5P socket (e.g.. AF330FTZ). In that case, I am really worried about the stability of the flash-OCA F combi on the HSG; the OSA F just slots in the HSG. For anyone interested, the OCA F is dead at the bottom and thus cannot be used for chaining. If you want to chain, the Hot-Shoe adapter F is the only one (as the Fg only gives a socket connector at the top). None of the adapters secures on the hot-shoe of the camera or the HSG, which is/could be a problem. It's a shame there is no 5P bracket, but then again who uses them nowadays anyway? Kostas
RE: Flash bracket for the 500FTZ
G'day Kostas. I made a Hotshoe Grip. I found a non working COBRA flash that comes with a flash grip. I removed the flash and cut out the Cobra contacts. I then used epoxy to fix a OCA to the grip. Painted it black and it works like a charm. I mainly use the AF400FTZ or the AF330FTZ. The AF 330FTZ can be slipped off of the grip and used with the popup flash for contrast control flash on the ZX-L with a tripod. Hooroo. Regards, Trevor Grafton Australia -Original Message- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 18 October 2004 9:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Flash bracket for the 500FTZ On Sat, 7 Feb 2004, mike wilson wrote: Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: I think I am getting there. What do you mean by any connector? My understanding is that I am looking for a part that slides into the HSG hotshoe and provides a hotshoe to be used just as a stand for the flash. Am I right? I know all about the cables and the other adapters necessary (incl. the difference between F and Fg). But are you sure that a generic hotshoe connector with connections won't destroy the recipe (or the circuitry)? Me being imprecise again You need only a dead (no connections) connector that will mount on the HSG and allow you to mount the flash on it. The HSG and flash will then be insulated from each other. The connection from the flash to the camera will be by the 5P cable. Thus you will get all the tricks of the digital flash, off camera. OK, so I got there in the end. I just want to point out that the dead connector is not necessary, as the HSG does not bear any signals until you stick a (4P) cable to it. So, one just sticks the flash on the HSG connector; wire the camera with the flash and that's you. The only reason you may want to use an Off-Shoe Camera Adapter F is if your flash does not have a 5P socket (e.g.. AF330FTZ). In that case, I am really worried about the stability of the flash-OCA F combi on the HSG; the OSA F just slots in the HSG. For anyone interested, the OCA F is dead at the bottom and thus cannot be used for chaining. If you want to chain, the Hot-Shoe adapter F is the only one (as the Fg only gives a socket connector at the top). None of the adapters secures on the hot-shoe of the camera or the HSG, which is/could be a problem. It's a shame there is no 5P bracket, but then again who uses them nowadays anyway? Kostas
PAW: Wearing feathers
Hi, this PAW from me is a bit different from my usual stuff. It's a portrait (I hope g)! One issue I would like to hear some advice on, is the conversion to BW. The original was quite underexposed (it seems my for long time trusty Metz 40MZ3i is developing exposure problems) so I converted only using the red channel (the others were too dark because of tungsten lighting and underexposure). As you can see, there is problem with blown highlights on the lower left. In the other channels they were not blown. What would be a good way to paste the details from the other channels? My quick experiments were not good with it. I originally wanted to post something different from the same venue (it's a Forum 2000 conference on globalisation issues with some ex-presidents like Vaclav Havel and other interesting figures, but it was all the usual not-so-interesting news photographs I got there). The URL: http://fotof.wz.cz/paw Comments appreciated! Good light! fra
Re: OT: Exactly Who Is Bob Sullivan?
Frank, Well, I don't know what to say. I'm sure that I'm me. I can probably produce a photo of you from GFM with those famous ears. Positive proof, if you will... Beyond that, I have no idea why they don't like me. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:15:28 -0400, Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes Frank you should be afraid, very afraid... frank theriault wrote: I was just reading another thread, and noticed a post from Bob, now on G-mail, and singing it's praises. I couldn't help noticing Bob's post, because at the top of it, inside a big yellow banner, screamed the words: Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal information. Geez, Bob, what have you done to get on their wrong side? Or is someone masquerading as Bob on this list for some nefarious reason? Will I now go on G-mail's bad person list, as I may be perceived as mocking them? Should I be afraid? vbg cheers, frank -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PESO - Portrait of Tina
Fred, Nice shot. I like the pose and expression. But your comment and WW's response are more about the print and contrast. Have you tried printing on a grade 2 paper or using equivalent filtration? That may accomplish what you want. (On my Dichro II I like Yellow @ 40 Magenta @ 15.) Here's another suggestion, assuming you have a color head Step 1. Print with grade 2 filtration. Step 2. Set it to a grade 4 and dodge her, printing only the background again. It will darken nicely. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Battery covers (No Spotmatic)
Don't know if you guys get the same spam or not, but: http://www.activeindustries.com/catalogue/parts/battery_cap.html Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California
RE: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
325 euro in Holland, see: http://www.foto-konijnenberg.nl/ Henk -Original Message- From: John Whittingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 October, 2004 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Hi Any PDMLers in Europe recommend a good online resource for buying a Pentax FA 35mm f/2, particularly Germany as I believe the prices are much better than here in the UK. I could buy from the US but customs will hit me with VAT @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. TIA John
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Caveman Subject: Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex? No, it's not. Would you guys please take social/political talk elsewhere? http://pug.komkon.org/00febr/block1b.htm William Robb How coincidental! That photo was taken with a Pentax SMC 200mm f/4. I just won an eBay auction for the SMCT version of that very lens. Supposed to have a good reputation. We'll see! keith whaley
Re: PESO: Sigurt is watching TV
Jens' original post never made it to my inbox, but I concur with Cotty. An excellent photo. Jostein - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:38 PM Subject: Re: PESO: Sigurt is watching TV On 17/10/04, Jens Bladt, discombobulated, unleashed: My son Sigurt was watching the TV while I was fiddeling arround with my *ist D, trying to manually set the White Balance. I used my Tamron zoom lens and the 1.7x AF Adapter to get auto focus. This is my first experience with digital black and white. I kind of like the mood... Comments are welcome. http://gallery46369.fotopic.net/p8396753.html CRACKER! Love it! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PESO - Portrait of Tina
Then do the same thing in PS. Convert to color. Add Magenta Yellow for grade 2. Convert back to gray scale. Convert to color Select outer portions Add Magenta a little yellow for a grade 4 darken. Convert back to gray scale. Almost the same as a chemical darkroom. I do it with Picture Publisher. Works well. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: Fred Widall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Collin, Thanks for taking the time to comment on 'Tina'. Unfortunately I don't have access to a darkroom. I develop my own negatives, then scan them in on my Epson 3170, print on my Epson 880 printer. I can get reasonably good BW prints but they do lack the 'oomph' of real prints - so I tend to make them very contrasty to compensate. -- Fred Widall, PeopleSoft Developer, Applications Technology, Information Systems Technology Dept, University of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2L 3G1. Phone:(519) 885-1211 x6440 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ist.uwaterloo.ca/~fwwidall -- On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Collin Brendemuehl wrote: Fred, Nice shot. I like the pose and expression. But your comment and WW's response are more about the print and contrast. Have you tried printing on a grade 2 paper or using equivalent filtration? That may accomplish what you want. (On my Dichro II I like Yellow @ 40 Magenta @ 15.) Here's another suggestion, assuming you have a color head Step 1. Print with grade 2 filtration. Step 2. Set it to a grade 4 and dodge her, printing only the background again. It will darken nicely. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: One for Frank
- Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/OneForFrank.jpg What do you think?Comments or criticism welcome. I like it. For some reason, it reminds me very much of the taxi I took back to the ferryboat after meeting up with Jens Bladt on Friday...:) Jostein (no cheers today...)
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Shel, The larger picture is more powerful than the original smaller version. It clearly makes a very strong impression. Congratulations on an excellent piece of communications. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:51:44 -0700, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, took your advice and put up a much larger image ... might be a slow download for someone with a slow connection, but there's not much I could do about it ... so, here's large and small: http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/02-3shh-lg.html http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/02-3shh.html Shel From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think in most cases the web image should be cropped the same as the print. The exception might be where there is interesting detail that gets lost in a small image. Perhaps the ideal solution in regard to your Spare some sex image would be a larger file. My web posts are generally 13 inches on the long side at 72dpi. That's still viewable without scrolling on all but the stingiest monitors.
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Hi Kostas, on 18 Oct 04 you wrote in pentax.list: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, John Whittingham wrote: @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. How about tekade? http://www.tekade.de/Angebot/angebot.html 359 Euros The actual price in the tekade-shop is 309,- Euro (Shop - ObjektiveKonverter - Pentax). I don't think that you will get it cheaper as the lens is no longer available from Pentax Europe. There only some remaining stocks (e.g. at Tekade). Cheers, Heiko
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
- Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Thanks Kostas it's a start but that's about £248 GBP as opposed to £166 at Adorama, am I wrong about European prices? Is everything cheaper in the US? Everything. William Robb
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Supply-side. Open competition. Even our poor *average* 1000 sq. ft. homes, 2 color tv sets, at least one car, and lots more. We have the richest poor in the world. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:24:51 -0600 - Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Thanks Kostas it's a start but that's about £248 GBP as opposed to £166 at Adorama, am I wrong about European prices? Is everything cheaper in the US? Everything. William Robb Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
RE: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Thanks Henk. John -- Original Message --- From: Henk Terhell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:45:23 +0200 Subject: RE: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please 325 euro in Holland, see: http://www.foto-konijnenberg.nl/ Henk -Original Message- From: John Whittingham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 October, 2004 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Hi Any PDMLers in Europe recommend a good online resource for buying a Pentax FA 35mm f/2, particularly Germany as I believe the prices are much better than here in the UK. I could buy from the US but customs will hit me with VAT @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. TIA John --- End of Original Message ---
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Now I'm getting tempted, thank you. John -- Original Message --- From: Dr. Heiko Hamann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 Oct 2004 14:23:00 +0200 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Hi Kostas, on 18 Oct 04 you wrote in pentax.list: On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, John Whittingham wrote: @17.5% + handling charge + import duty. Best price I could find was US$299.95 at Adorama. How about tekade? http://www.tekade.de/Angebot/angebot.html 359 Euros The actual price in the tekade-shop is 309,- Euro (Shop - ObjektiveKonverter - Pentax). I don't think that you will get it cheaper as the lens is no longer available from Pentax Europe. There only some remaining stocks (e.g. at Tekade). Cheers, Heiko --- End of Original Message ---
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Everything. Lucky b*ggers! John -- Original Message --- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:24:51 -0600 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please - Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Thanks Kostas it's a start but that's about £248 GBP as opposed to £166 at Adorama, am I wrong about European prices? Is everything cheaper in the US? Everything. William Robb --- End of Original Message ---
RE: De-Lurking and Replacement Decision
I shoot mostly slides, no post process for me. I do like the slide exposures from the PZ-1 better than the PZ-1p. Used PZ-1's are cheap today. Buy one as a stop-gap measure until you figure it all out. I don't shoot slides much, but am curious about the reason the PZ-1 does better on slides then the PZ-1p? Could you please expound on this a bit more? I happen to own both cameras, but the PZ-1p always seems to win on the choice of which camera is going today. Dave
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Supply-side. Open competition. Even our poor *average* 1000 sq. ft. homes, 2 color tv sets, at least one car, and lots more. We have the richest poor in the world. Need an IT Support guy with photographic skills by any chance? John -- Original Message --- From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:49:01 -0400 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Supply-side. Open competition. Even our poor *average* 1000 sq. ft. homes, 2 color tv sets, at least one car, and lots more. We have the richest poor in the world. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 06:24:51 -0600 - Original Message - From: John Whittingham Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Thanks Kostas it's a start but that's about £248 GBP as opposed to £166 at Adorama, am I wrong about European prices? Is everything cheaper in the US? Everything. William Robb Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net --- End of Original Message ---
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
I'm @ Honda RD Americas working right now. http://www.hondaresearch.com They always need Mechanical Engineers. Always. EEs commonly needed. Check Omaha, Nebraska for good IT work. A nice city. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:47:42 +0100 Supply-side. Open competition. Even our poor *average* 1000 sq. ft. homes, 2 color tv sets, at least one car, and lots more. We have the richest poor in the world. Need an IT Support guy with photographic skills by any chance? John Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: PAW: Wearing feathers
Nicely done. Good pose lighting. It would be stronger IMHO if the background person was either not there or more out of focus. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW: Wearing feathers Hi, this PAW from me is a bit different from my usual stuff. It's a portrait (I hope g)! One issue I would like to hear some advice on, is the conversion to BW. The original was quite underexposed (it seems my for long time trusty Metz 40MZ3i is developing exposure problems) so I converted only using the red channel (the others were too dark because of tungsten lighting and underexposure). As you can see, there is problem with blown highlights on the lower left. In the other channels they were not blown. What would be a good way to paste the details from the other channels? My quick experiments were not good with it. I originally wanted to post something different from the same venue (it's a Forum 2000 conference on globalisation issues with some ex-presidents like Vaclav Havel and other interesting figures, but it was all the usual not-so-interesting news photographs I got there). The URL: http://fotof.wz.cz/paw Comments appreciated! Good light! fra PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
I'd have reservations about working for Honda I'm a Ducati fanatic LOL. Thanks for the tip for IT work. John -- Original Message --- From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:14:12 -0400 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please I'm @ Honda RD Americas working right now. http://www.hondaresearch.com They always need Mechanical Engineers. Always. EEs commonly needed. Check Omaha, Nebraska for good IT work. A nice city. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:47:42 +0100 Supply-side. Open competition. Even our poor *average* 1000 sq. ft. homes, 2 color tv sets, at least one car, and lots more. We have the richest poor in the world. Need an IT Support guy with photographic skills by any chance? John Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net --- End of Original Message ---
Re: PAW: Wearing feathers
I don't agree. I think the person in the background adds something to the picture. DagT fra: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nicely done. Good pose lighting. It would be stronger IMHO if the background person was either not there or more out of focus. Kenneth Waller -Original Message- From: Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PAW: Wearing feathers Hi, this PAW from me is a bit different from my usual stuff. It's a portrait (I hope g)! One issue I would like to hear some advice on, is the conversion to BW. The original was quite underexposed (it seems my for long time trusty Metz 40MZ3i is developing exposure problems) so I converted only using the red channel (the others were too dark because of tungsten lighting and underexposure). As you can see, there is problem with blown highlights on the lower left. In the other channels they were not blown. What would be a good way to paste the details from the other channels? My quick experiments were not good with it. I originally wanted to post something different from the same venue (it's a Forum 2000 conference on globalisation issues with some ex-presidents like Vaclav Havel and other interesting figures, but it was all the usual not-so-interesting news photographs I got there). The URL: http://fotof.wz.cz/paw Comments appreciated! Good light! fra PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com
OT: Darkroom equipment
If anyone is wanting cheap darkroom stuff, boy is it really getting cheap. Midwest Photo has a bunch of used Jobo stuff. I got a small tank, 4x5 holder, daylight non-mechanical cap, and rollers for cheap. Just ask for Dan. http://www.mpex.com There is no quid pro quo, I just enjoy shopping there. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Even our poor *average* 1000 sq. ft. homes, 2 color tv sets, at least one car, and lots more. We have the richest poor in the world. Well, here in the US, many of our poor do not have even a fraction of the above, and, in fact, the disparity between rich and poor in the US may be the greatest in all the western developed nations, and the disparity has been getting larger over the last few years. Fred
Re: Wearing feathers
Frantisek - Nice portrait - I like the way her face is toward what I would guess to be the group's center of attention while her eyes clearly show she is aware of you photographing her. WRT keeping detail in the highlights and the shadows with a wide contrast range, I've had good luck using this technique - create two layers, one with the highlights the way you want them and one that shows the shadow detail, then erase what you don't want from the top layer. Adjust the feathering on the eraser tool to give the most pleasing transition between the top layer and what shows from the bottom layer. Below are links to a couple sites that have free downloadable plug-ins that simplify BW conversion while still giving you some control over the outcome. Paul http://www.optikvervelabs.com/default.asp http://www.grafnet.com.pl/ http://www.grafnet.com.pl/Fotomatic%20Plug-In%20Filters/index.html - Original Message - From: Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 6:25 AM Subject: PAW: Wearing feathers Hi, this PAW from me is a bit different from my usual stuff. It's a portrait (I hope g)! One issue I would like to hear some advice on, is the conversion to BW. The original was quite underexposed (it seems my for long time trusty Metz 40MZ3i is developing exposure problems) so I converted only using the red channel (the others were too dark because of tungsten lighting and underexposure). As you can see, there is problem with blown highlights on the lower left. In the other channels they were not blown. What would be a good way to paste the details from the other channels? My quick experiments were not good with it. I originally wanted to post something different from the same venue (it's a Forum 2000 conference on globalisation issues with some ex-presidents like Vaclav Havel and other interesting figures, but it was all the usual not-so-interesting news photographs I got there). The URL: http://fotof.wz.cz/paw Comments appreciated! Good light! fra
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
On 18/10/04, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: Is everything cheaper in the US? Everything but the girls ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
On 18/10/04, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't mean this to sound like our poverty is worse than yours, or Monty Python's Three Yorkshiremen sketch, but everyone is entitled to their view on these things, and I think your comments to V. were a bit below the belt. I used to dream of having a belt Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Everything but the girls ;-) Same the world over isn't it..able to vapourise money LOL John -- Original Message --- From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:29:10 +0100 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please On 18/10/04, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: Is everything cheaper in the US? Everything but the girls ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ --- End of Original Message ---
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
What type of IT work do you do? Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
FWIW, I get shots of people who may be down and out, druggies, criminals, victims, etc all the time, many who do not wish to be captured, and I get paid for that. I guess that makes me a photo-mercenary or a TV whore or something. It did bother me at one time, but not now. I live in a democracy, it's legal, bosh. Sorted. Ethically I do have issues sometimes but not overpowering enough to make me want to quit. I deal with it and carry on. Shel's pic is a classic reportage shot and no explanation is given or needed. It's a beautiful (sic) photograph and more power to the guy. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
I made belt soup out of mine while unemployed... JCO -Original Message- From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:32 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex? On 18/10/04, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I don't mean this to sound like our poverty is worse than yours, or Monty Python's Three Yorkshiremen sketch, but everyone is entitled to their view on these things, and I think your comments to V. were a bit below the belt. I used to dream of having a belt Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
I am talking US. And unless a socialist/tyrannical nation tries to keep everyone equally subdued, there is always a gap. We're free to succeed and fail. People with money run businesses that provide jobs. This ain't no banana republic dictatorship, this Great Experiment. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: Fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:23:53 -0400 Even our poor *average* 1000 sq. ft. homes, 2 color tv sets, at least one car, and lots more. We have the richest poor in the world. Well, here in the US, many of our poor do not have even a fraction of the above, and, in fact, the disparity between rich and poor in the US may be the greatest in all the western developed nations, and the disparity has been getting larger over the last few years. Fred Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: Re: Do you name your cameras?
Does *^%#$% count? Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Do you name your cameras?
I call my new one behemoth. Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does *^%#$% count?
Re: SV: Another Side of Detroit
First time posting, long time lurking. It's nice to pictures of Detroit and her suburbs that aren't in the vein of 'Look at the ruins of what was once a great city! Cool, no?'. Plus, it's a nice sunset. -George Paul Stenquist wrote: Thanks Jens. I shot it for my friends who live on that lake. Since it's somewhat of a cliche, I hadn't intended to post it on the web. But I figured what the heck, it may be devoid of an idea but at least it's easy on the eyes. Paul On Oct 18, 2004, at 1:22 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: A beautiful, classic sunset. Very well done. I'm glad to know that Detroit is more than Motown. Jens Bladt mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sendt: 16. oktober 2004 20:16 Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Emne: PAW: Another Side of Detroit Few realize that the Detroit suburbs are chock full of lakes and trees. The image of downtown casts the entire area in unfortunate tones of gray and black. In truth, the metropolitan area is one of the most beautiful of any large city. Here's a shot of Sylvan Lake at sunset. I grabbed this on the way back from shooting my wakeboarding series. It's less than 15 miles from the city limits. There are hundreds of lakes within 25 miles of the city center. http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2791439 Paul
Re: CRAP!
HAR! This camera and I are still on our honeymoon! Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could always cut your losses and sell it to me fore $250 ;-) (hey it was worth a try!) -Mat On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:11:41 -0700, Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After thinking about it, I realized that 165mm is too long and too slow for many of the shots I need this camera for. After not thinking, I also determined that I needed a cute little wooden grip, a couple lens shades, a new quickie flash and a camera strap. To make matters worse, I pointed this behemoth at my grandchildren and scared them half to death!
Re: CRAP!
Wasn't that Dave Berry? Regards, Bob... --- No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. -- Mark Twain From: Peter J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW: Wearing feathers
Frantisek wrote on 18.10.04 13:25: Hi, this PAW from me is a bit different from my usual stuff. It's a portrait (I hope g)! Great pose with nice expressin on the face! I like lighting and out of focus, nicely blurred persons in background! Very good work! -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: PAW: In the Library
frank theriault wrote on 17.10.04 16:19: http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2782878 Here's one I'm not sure of (for obvious reasons) I won't say anything more, but I'd be real interested to hear what y'all think. Frank, I like it very much. You've managed somewhat to connect a view of books on the left with corridor on the right, which reminds me long passages between endless book shelves in libraries... And bricks look somewhat like a books don't they? Well, anyway that was just my first (and later too) impression when I was watching your photo! But I usually have slightly different point of view than others :-) -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Frantisek wrote: Still, for _me_, it's much much less bothering that most of the Kitch kittens and cavofilters. But I have the option of simply deleting them. I suggest you do the same if this bothers you that much. That's exactly what I did until the discussion degenerated into politics and the author happily jumped into it, like he did it on purpose. Just observe this: http://graywolfphoto.com/pentax/pdml-faq.html Sure you have the right to start a political discussion on PDML, but don't complain about what will follow. It's well documented.
Re[2]: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
All this crucifying of Valentin made me have a look to the pic, something I rarely have time to do. I've seen this kind of people both in Romania and US and frankly, I am not impressed. Romania is full of beggars like these and most of them live this way by choice while many are syndicated. On the other hand there is extreme poverty, of people struggling to make a living, proud people that would never beg but rather help you with the little they can. These should be portrayed: their hard work despite nil perspectives, the impact of western culture over their traditions, their joy over simple things. And Shel comes up with this and expect me to fill pity and compassion? Puah. Servus, Alin Bob wrote: BW I think you're being rather unfair there, Shel. Everybody has the BW right to improve their own lot - isn't that the American Way? Romania, BW when I met Val there, was a country with far greater problems than you're BW likely to see in California (for all its genuine problems), and far more BW than one individual - even someone as talented as Val - can fix. I've seen BW the down-and-outs in Santa Monica, and I've seen the way many ordinary BW people live in Romania, and believe me, Santa Monica is better. BW I don't mean this to sound like our poverty is worse than yours, or BW Monty Python's Three Yorkshiremen sketch, but everyone is entitled to BW their view on these things, and I think your comments to V. were a bit BW below the belt.
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Support, hardware, networking OS's anything but programming! John -- Original Message --- From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please What type of IT work do you do? Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net --- End of Original Message ---
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
I would love to read and perhaps reply to some comments made about the photo and about/directed toward me. Unfortunately, numerous messages are not getting thru to me and the archives are not picking up many messages, either. At best I'm only seeing snippets of some posts quoted as parts of replies and other messages. So, if you're being ignored - and if it matters that I've not responded to you or commented in general, the poor email service is certainly a contributing factor. Shel
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Support, hardware, networking OS's anything but programming! The same here :-) ..but the salary :-( Peter B.
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Except you don't post them here with the intention of starting a social/political debate. And Shel still haven't told us if the guys were real or art students on assignement. When I saw the photo I thought this ain't true. There was something too clean to be true. Then I read Bob Walkden's comment about it. So Shel here is a direct question: upon you knowledge, was this a staged performance or not ? Cotty wrote: FWIW, I get shots of people who may be down and out, druggies, criminals, victims, etc all the time, many who do not wish to be captured, and I get paid for that.
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
On 18/10/04, Alin Flaider, discombobulated, unleashed: On the other hand there is extreme poverty, of people struggling to make a living, proud people that would never beg but rather help you with the little they can. These should be portrayed: their hard work despite nil perspectives, the impact of western culture over their traditions, their joy over simple things. And Shel comes up with this and expect me to fill pity and compassion? Puah. Alin, with all due respect, I doubt seriously if Shel expects anything from you at all. As the viewer of a photograph posted here, surely it is up to you to decide what reaction you have to the image? Just because there is intense suffering and cruelty in the world - in the USA or elsewhere - does not mean that one particular shot should be any more or less powerful or weak because of that? Take it at face value: it's a photo. make of it what you will :-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
On 18/10/04, Caveman, discombobulated, unleashed: Except you don't post them here with the intention of starting a social/political debate. This is true, but do you honestly believe that Shel posts such pics to start such debates? Maybe I am being naive? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
The same here :-) ..but the salary :-( Yeah, sucks doesn't it, have to supplement it by creating websites for people, auctions on eBay etc. John -- Original Message --- From: Peter Belak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:39:25 +0200 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please Support, hardware, networking OS's anything but programming! The same here :-) ..but the salary :-( Peter B. --- End of Original Message ---
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Hardware? You poor man. I got out of that stuff about 10 years ago. I also avoid programming Microsft stuff. Pay is too modest. If you want, I can give you a self-employment business plan than can easily net you $50k per year. In the US with $50K you can buy a home with 1800 sq. ft. (165-170 sq meters) on a 90 ft (28 meter) square lot, and live comfortably. (Outside of the expensive east coast and west coast areas, that is.) Wanna come on over to the Colonies? :) Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: John Whittingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:21:37 +0100 Support, hardware, networking OS's anything but programming! John -- Original Message --- From: Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:41:29 -0400 Subject: Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please What type of IT work do you do? Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net --- End of Original Message --- Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
RE: Re[2]: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
I expect no such thing. I neither expect nor want you to feel any particular way. The pic is just a snapshot, with no explanation given about the people or their circumstances. I never said, nor implied, one word about the situation of the young man and woman portrayed in the photo. It succeeds or fails on its own merits. It is you (individually and collectively) that have decided the guy is pimping the woman, that she's a victim of one sort or another, that they are impoverished, that they are using drugs, that they are students play acting, that they have just come in from the suburbs for a day of recreation, and whatever other conclusions and assumptions have been drawn. It is you who started the thread on social policies and homelessness in the US. I've captured and presented but 1/125th of a second of their lives that one afternoon ...whatever you see in the photo comes from within you, is based on your own experiences and prejudices. Whatever you see, feel, or experience from this - or any - photograph, comes from within yourself. If you choose to make this a photo of a serious social problem, so be it. If you see it as a humorous photo, that's fine. If you see it as an indictment of a particular lifestyle, then that's what it is. Shel [Original Message] From: Alin Flaider [EMAIL PROTECTED] All this crucifying of Valentin made me have a look to the pic, something I rarely have time to do. I've seen this kind of people both in Romania and US and frankly, I am not impressed. Romania is full of beggars like these and most of them live this way by choice while many are syndicated. On the other hand there is extreme poverty, of people struggling to make a living, proud people that would never beg but rather help you with the little they can. These should be portrayed: their hard work despite nil perspectives, the impact of western culture over their traditions, their joy over simple things. And Shel comes up with this and expect me to fill pity and compassion? Puah.
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
The other explanation would be that he is dumb, which isn't the case. Cotty wrote: On 18/10/04, Caveman, discombobulated, unleashed: Except you don't post them here with the intention of starting a social/political debate. This is true, but do you honestly believe that Shel posts such pics to start such debates? Maybe I am being naive? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
You're bad. Cotty wrote: On 18/10/04, Kevin Waterson, discombobulated, unleashed: I wish one of my photo's would generate so much discussion. Why Kevin, that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said about one of your shots. ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
I've got the Takumar version of the lens. Excellent lens. And the metal hood is the dog's dinner, to quote Cotty. -Mat On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:03:46 -0700, Keith Whaley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How coincidental! That photo was taken with a Pentax SMC 200mm f/4. I just won an eBay auction for the SMCT version of that very lens. Supposed to have a good reputation. We'll see! keith whaley
Re: OT: Darkroom equipment
Rollers? Mechanical processor? -Mat On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:25:48 -0400, Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is wanting cheap darkroom stuff, boy is it really getting cheap. Midwest Photo has a bunch of used Jobo stuff. I got a small tank, 4x5 holder, daylight non-mechanical cap, and rollers for cheap. Just ask for Dan. http://www.mpex.com There is no quid pro quo, I just enjoy shopping there.
Re: CRAP!
Actually, Ive notcie that Pentax MF prices have dropped a lot at KEH. You can now get a bargain 645 body for $200 USD whereas I paid $300 two years ago. It also looked like the 67 prices were dropping too, although I don't follow those as closely. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
I'm with Frank on this one. It's technically very good and socially very sad, which si why it's such a powerful photo. I don't think they are many changes that would make a significant improvement. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/17/2004 10:14:47 AM On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 21:42:07 -0700, Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/02-3shh.html This is still a bit of a work in progress - there are a few things yet to do with some details, but I thought I'd present it anyway. Be happy for comments and criticism. I think this is a devastating photograph. It would be ~almost~ funny, but for the look on her face. It's so angry, defiant, devoid of hope that it takes all the humour out of the sign. Somehow, he looks so smug about it, as if he's her pimp or something. I've read the other comments, and I don't think I'd crop it, nor would I like to see it from a lower angle. Seems to me that her being down there and almost small looking, emphasizes her objectification by the sign holder. I think that's why I like your version better than Cotty's crop - taking out his legs makes him look smaller, and she (subjectively for me, anyway) looks about the same size as him in Cotty's version. Also, don't like Cotty's tilt. The other thing I like about yours is that it's much more obvious that they're sitting in front of a dumpster, which to me is a huge part of their story. Crop too close, and it looks like a garage door or something. Nope, leave it as is, say I. Shel, honestly, this is one of the best photos I've ever seen on this list - or maybe anywhere. No hyperbole, it just affects me that much. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
Re: OT: Darkroom equipment
I got the little rollers that will let me spin it manually. They'll be hot-glued to a base this week. Looks to be a really convenient system. I just have to figure out the time changes and develop a consistent rolling practice. Sincerely, C. Brendemuehl 'Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first.' Ronald Reagan -- Original Message -- From: Mat Maessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:10:06 -0400 Rollers? Mechanical processor? -Mat On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:25:48 -0400, Collin Brendemuehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If anyone is wanting cheap darkroom stuff, boy is it really getting cheap. Midwest Photo has a bunch of used Jobo stuff. I got a small tank, 4x5 holder, daylight non-mechanical cap, and rollers for cheap. Just ask for Dan. http://www.mpex.com There is no quid pro quo, I just enjoy shopping there. Sent via the WebMail system at mail.safe-t.net
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
I can get political debate elsewhere. This is a photo list. I generally post pics that interest me, for any number of reasons. When I post a photo all I want to do is share a bit of my vision, something I saw that caught my attention and that interested me. As has been stated just recently, what those on the list do with it is their business. True, I do have something of a social conscience, and some of my photos reflect that, but that's not to say I want to start a debate about social issues. This forum is not the best place for that. Rather, such photos will, perhaps, get the viewer to think about the issues they perceive, and maybe take action according to their own conscience and beliefs. I seem to have developed a reputation of making photos of homeless and impoverished people, and that I am a street shooter (a term which I abhor, BTW), and, some feel that I am taking advantage of the people I photograph, or that I am intruding on their lives and invading their privacy. This is all such bullshit. There is rarely a photo that I take in which the shot has been sneaky, in which the people have not been engaged in some way. You will notice that, with rare exception, my subjects are looking directly into the camera, or have been photographed from a close enough position that they know (and approve) of what I'm doing. If one were to look at all the photos I've posted here you'd see a broad range of subjects, many light hearted and perhaps funny (to me, anyway). The homeless photos are decidedly in a minority. What is interesting, however, is that so many remember only the photos of the disenfranchised, see me mostly as a photographer of poverty . I suppose that means the few photos I've posted on those subjects have had an impact, have been strong images, or bad enough images, that they are remembered. Shel [Original Message] From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 18/10/04, Caveman, discombobulated, unleashed: Except you don't post them here with the intention of starting a social/political debate. This is true, but do you honestly believe that Shel posts such pics to start such debates? Maybe I am being naive?
Re: CRAP!
Not up here in Toronto area. Henrys still is asking a fortune for the stuff. Dave Brooks Actually, Ive notcie that Pentax MF prices have dropped a lot at KEH. You can now get a bargain 645 body for $200 USD whereas I paid $300 two years ago. It also looked like the 67 prices were dropping too, although I don't follow those as closely. Steven Desjardins Department of Chemistry Washington and Lee University Lexington, VA 24450 (540) 458-8873 FAX: (540) 458-8878 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PESO - Portrait of Tina
Patrick Genovese wrote: I love the expression and the diagonal composition, This shot has a lot going for it. IMHO there are c couple of small tweaks that could improve the picture: 1. clone out the background out of focus highlights near the top left and right corners. 2. darken the background 3. not sure about this but worth a try, Clone out the strand of hair crossing her left eye. Patrick annsan adds: Number 3 is the key - I want to reach out and brush it away :) Nice expression, her beauty is real and you captured it without a lot of hoopla I wouldn't want to see too much manipulation, but that little strand if hair is distracting. ann
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
Kevin Waterson wrote: I wish one of my photo's would generate so much discussion. Kevin You need more creative subject lines, Kevin :) ann - Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
This is quite bizarre. There hasn't been any significant amount of political discussion relative to Shel's photo. Keith and I exchanged a few messages in regard to the homeless situation in some west-coast cities, but it sort of withered and died as it became obvious that we were close to agreement. The only vitriol that I have seen in regard to the photo has come from you. Apparently, you feel that you are qualified to determine what is appropriate and what is not. Based on your comments, I strongly disagree. I have spoken to Shel on-list and off for quite a few years. I have never found him to have any ulterior motives in regard to his photography and the posting of the same. He is an artist, and he displays his work. Period. I think we've exhausted this topic. I won't comment again. I suggest others do the same. Paul The other explanation would be that he is dumb, which isn't the case. Cotty wrote: On 18/10/04, Caveman, discombobulated, unleashed: Except you don't post them here with the intention of starting a social/political debate. This is true, but do you honestly believe that Shel posts such pics to start such debates? Maybe I am being naive? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
RE: PAW: Wearing feathers
Hi, You might want to consider these alternatives for converting color to BW. The first one is easy and offers very good control. http://home.earthlink.net/~scbelinkoff/color2bw.html Shel From: Frantisek [EMAIL PROTECTED] One issue I would like to hear some advice on, is the conversion to BW.
Re: FA 35mm f/2 European prices please
Wouldn't that depend on your defination of cheaper? Cotty wrote: On 18/10/04, John Whittingham, discombobulated, unleashed: Is everything cheaper in the US? Everything but the girls ;-) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime. --P.J. O'Rourke
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently, you feel that you are qualified to determine what is appropriate and what is not. I just feel that I'm qualified to have an opinion and state it, at least as much as you do. If however there are more equal members that can state their opinion and less equal ones that aren't allowed to, then let's make a list of them so I know where I stand.
FAJ 18-35
Hi, Can this lens be used on the PZ1-p? Jim A.
Re: FAJ 18-35
Jim Apilado wrote on 18.10.04 18:00: Hi, Can this lens be used on the PZ1-p? Yes. It is FF, and you can control lens aperture in Z1P via on body Av wheel, so there would be no problem, except for DOF preview, as it is mechanical in Z1P, so it would close FAJ 18-35 to minimum aperture (f22 AFAIR) regardless of your settings. -- Best Regards Sylwek
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
But of course Shel. No one remembers Chris Ofili except for his dung covered Madonna. Controversy is one of the ways to celebrity. Shel Belinkoff wrote: If one were to look at all the photos I've posted here you'd see a broad range of subjects, many light hearted and perhaps funny (to me, anyway). The homeless photos are decidedly in a minority. What is interesting, however, is that so many remember only the photos of the disenfranchised, see me mostly as a photographer of poverty . I suppose that means the few photos I've posted on those subjects have had an impact, have been strong images, or bad enough images, that they are remembered. Shel
Re: PAW PESO - Spare some sex?
We've seen enough of Shel's work to safely say that this is the kind of photography he favors. In general, I think he likes photos that make social commentary, and certainly not always negative ones. ( Sorry to talk about you in the third person, Shel) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/18/2004 11:03:21 AM The other explanation would be that he is dumb, which isn't the case. Cotty wrote: On 18/10/04, Caveman, discombobulated, unleashed: Except you don't post them here with the intention of starting a social/political debate. This is true, but do you honestly believe that Shel posts such pics to start such debates? Maybe I am being naive? Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
