Re: 1st Day of Spring in Eastern Massachusetts

[John Francis]

That looks just like the frozen lakes I used to see
driving around the Marlboro/Framingham area.

Here's a shot for you from last weekend, to remind
you of what you left behind:

  

Jim Hemenway mused:
> 
> John:
> 
> I know what you mean... and I still miss the Bay Area a little, even 
> after 31 years.  But then again, we don't have earthquakes! :-)
> 
> Here's the other 1st Day of Spring from today, it was about 44F:
> http://www.hemenway.com/1stDayofSpring-05/pages/Fishermen.htm
> 
> Jim
> 
> John Francis wrote:
> 
> > Jim Hemenway mused:
> > 
> >>About 10 miles NE of Boston
> >>
> >>http://www.hemenway.com/1stDayofSpring-05/pages/TwistedTree.htm
> >>
> >>isDS with 43mm Limited
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > B.  I'm definitely glad I moved to California.
> > 
> > 
> 

RE: PESO: Godfrey

[Patsy Kong]

John,

Do people always react this way when you take their picture? 

-Patsy
Pat in SF 

> -Original Message-
> From: John Celio [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:47 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: PESO: Godfrey

> http://www.newpixel.net/special/godfrey.html

Re: PESO: Godfrey

[Peter J. Alling]

John Celio wrote:
From the NorCal PDML meet earlier this month, during lunch at that 
ethiopian 
restaurant:
http://www.newpixel.net/special/godfrey.html
Everyone else has been posting stuff lately, so I thought I'd join in 
on the fun.  (:

Details: MX, Tri-X 400, K 50mm 1.2, exposure not recorded.
John Celio
--
http://www.neovenator.com
http://www.newpixel.net
AIM: Neopifex
"Hey, I'm an artist.  I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making 
a statement."


I guess that's "Art."  Revealing, but most of your subjects won't thank you.
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: One from my first roll in the MX

[David Savage]

G'day Peter

Really nice. I'm kind of partial to this type of industrial abstract image.

20 years huh?...seems you haven't forgotten anything. Just like riding
a bike :-)

Dave S


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 17:13:36 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I joined this list after buying an MX and std lens.
> Today I got back the negs and scans from a test roll of film.
> My first roll of mono film in 20 plus years.
> 
> http://www.fotoweek.com/galleries/showimage.php?i=1206&c=511
> 
> Looks like it works :-)
> 
> --
> Peter Williams
> 
> 
> This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au
> 
>

Re: SMC Pentax-FA 35mm f/2 V's Tamron 28-75mm XR Di

[Doug Brewer]

Here is a small gallery of shots taken with the FA35/2. It's a very 
nice lens and makes a great walkarounder on the istD.

http://www.alphoto.com/recent/page1.htm
On Mar 6, 2005, at 5:19 PM, John Whittingham wrote:
All opinions much appreciated.
I currently have an unhealthy interest in enabling myself with an FA 
35mm
f/2, however I have a Tamron 28-75 XR Di f/2.8 which appears to 
perform very
well.

Do you think I should be content with the Tamron or pursue the FA 35mm?
Does anyone have both that could offer some insight?
I've read plenty of tests on the Tamron but only one on the FA that 
was just
opinion without any MTF score or other information.

http://shutterbug.com/test_reports/1100sb_pentax
Does anyone have a link they could point me to for the FA 35mm f/2 
test?

John

PESO: Godfrey

[John Celio]

From the NorCal PDML meet earlier this month, during lunch at that ethiopian 
restaurant:
http://www.newpixel.net/special/godfrey.html
Everyone else has been posting stuff lately, so I thought I'd join in on the 
fun.  (:

Details: MX, Tri-X 400, K 50mm 1.2, exposure not recorded.
John Celio
--
http://www.neovenator.com
http://www.newpixel.net
AIM: Neopifex
"Hey, I'm an artist.  I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a 
statement." 

Re: One from my first roll in the MX

[John Celio]

I joined this list after buying an MX and std lens.
Today I got back the negs and scans from a test roll of film.
My first roll of mono film in 20 plus years.
http://www.fotoweek.com/galleries/showimage.php?i=1206&c=511
Cool!  I love abstract forms.  What was that, a handrail?  Doesn't matter, 
really, but I'm always curious.

John Celio
--
http://www.neovenator.com
http://www.newpixel.net
AIM: Neopifex
"Hey, I'm an artist.  I can do whatever I want and pretend I'm making a 
statement." 

RE: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem

[Jens Bladt]

Very nice, Jostein. You captured the atmosphere nicely. Boys like shooting -
guns, cameras, whatever...

Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt


-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Jostein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 20. marts 2005 21:55
Til: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Emne: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem


Not a shooting style I'm familiar with.
Any and all comments are most welcome.

http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694

Thanks for looking.

Jostein

One from my first roll in the MX

[williamsp]

I joined this list after buying an MX and std lens.
Today I got back the negs and scans from a test roll of film.
My first roll of mono film in 20 plus years.

http://www.fotoweek.com/galleries/showimage.php?i=1206&c=511

Looks like it works :-)

-- 
Peter Williams





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Re: My homemade LX grip

[Michel Carrère-Gée]

Jon M a écrit :
After seeing a Grip B sell for over $40 on ebay, I
decided to make my own grip.
http://jon.beigetower.org/lxgrip/
 

Mine  (plastic)
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/krg/collection/lx.htm#grip
Michel

My homemade LX grip

[Jon M]

After seeing a Grip B sell for over $40 on ebay, I
decided to make my own grip.

http://jon.beigetower.org/lxgrip/

Carved it from a piece of red oak, stuck some scrap
metal on the back so it'll connect to the lug on the
LX, and voila! Looks better than a Grip B (or A), and
cost me about 5-10 dollars worth of stuff.

Whatcha think? Anyone here have pics of their own
homemade grips? 

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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[John Francis]

On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 10:47:41PM -0500, frank theriault wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:25:57 -0500, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > My wife, for example, won't watch a B&W movie;
> 
> Wow!  That's a pretty extreme position to take.
> 
> She can't watch Casablanca?  To Kill a Mockingbird?  Raging Bull?

No, no, and no.  Nor Citizen Kane, for that matter.

To her, colour is important.  The absence of colour outweighs
just about everything else; she can't see through it to the
story beneath, because the lack of colour is so intrusive.

Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[John Francis]

frank theriault mused:
> 
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:51:04 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> 
> > I hope there are no Newfies on the list.
> > 
> 
> If there are, they're lurking, and it's not in their nature to keep a
> low profile...
> 

Oh, they'll post.   As soon as they work out how ...

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Peter J. Alling]

Actually I've seen them ketch rigged in Narragansett Bay, (silly looking 
but...).

Graywolf wrote:
Don't bet, Peter. Trust me, don't bet on that! They might not laugh at 
you if you said it was two catboats, but you would still lose. I am 
not sure what it is, hence the question marks, but I am sure it is not 
a brace of catboats (cat boats have one mast and one sail by definition).

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Peter J. Alling wrote:
I guess it does look like that, but if I were a betting man I'd say 
Catboat.

Graywolf wrote:
A ketch rigged junk


Francis wrote:
Another boat pic


http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html



--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Shel Belinkoff]

Casablanca has been restored for DVD.  The original sound was nowhere near
as good as that on DVD.  If you want to see something really neat, rent
"The Day The Earth Stood Still" and watch the Special Feature where they
compare the original film with various restored incarnations.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> OTOH, last week I watched the latest DVD incarnation of Casablanca. It
was gorgeous, picture quality and sound wise, so I guess it was not the
recording media that was the problem.

Re: P67 fisheye specs

[Mat Maessen]

You'd have to find something with very thin standards. My B&J Orbit
might _just_ be able to get the standards close enough to have the
correct register distance. Once you get that squared away, there's the
issue of a shutter.
If someone's got an old beater Speed Graphic, it might be worth
sacrificing the bed for an experiment. :-)

-Mat

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:54:06 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > P67 seems more promising since it does not have the shade and its
> > coverage should be pretty close to 9cm.  i could probably ask
> > s.k.grimes to build a mount for it from a blank board and a short tube.
> > but i would also need to somehow remove the bed from the view.
> > not sure how to do that without butchering the camera.
> > also, i am not sure if the weight of that lens is too much for the
> > front standard.
> >
> > just a thought. 
> This would be better approached using a fairly robust view camera.
> Find a dead 6x7 body, and take the lens mount from it.
> Drill a lens board out to fit, screw the body flange to it and Bob's yer
> Uncle.

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Graywolf]

OTOH, last week I watched the latest DVD incarnation of Casablanca. It was 
gorgeous, picture quality and sound wise, so I guess it was not the recording media 
that was the problem. The local cable station here plays lots of old B&W 
movies, they are unwatchable no matter how you adjust the set.
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
John Francis wrote:
There was a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek there.  But it's
by no means uncommon to hear people going on about the rich tones
in the print, etc., etc., and ignoring the actual subject.
With B&W movies, though, there are often other factors at work.
Movies shot in B&W used equipment without the focal length ranges
of modern cinecameras, the audio quality was often not of the best,
and the ravages of time have introduced their own problems.
At the time they were made, people were still marvelling at the
ability to capture anything.  But by now cinephotography has well
and truly crossed the threshold, and instead of being admired
for what it is in isolation it gets measured against reality.
Sadly, many B&W movies don't stand up under that scrutiny.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:37:50PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Gotta laugh at that (not at you, John) for so often the comment made about
B&W photography is that it allows the viewer to concentrate on the subject
without the distraction of color. 

When watching some movies on DVD, I turn off the color.
Shel 


[Original Message]
From: John Francis 

My wife, for example, won't watch a B&W movie; the absence of
colour really interferes with her ability to concentrate on the
subject.  I don't go quite that far, but find that too often
B&W photography gets to be too much about the process, and not
enough about the subject.




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Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Shel Belinkoff]

In the thirties and forties color was VERY expensive and complex to shoot,
and B&W was used often for cost reasons, not for artiustic concerns. This
was true to a lesser extent in the fifties and sixties.  Shooting color in
its early years requirted incredibly bright, hot, and expensive lighting,
and the only process available was Technicolor, a process that had, at the
time, numerous faults and was expensive to process and print, as well as
problematical contarctual requirements between Technicolor and the studios.

Shel 

> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:33:49 -0500, Peter J. Alling
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Some later films, notably of the film noire genre of starting in the
> > late 30's into the mid 50's, eschewed color for artistic reasons.

Re: Union Pacific Big Boy on the Move

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 18:20:06 -0800, Pat White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's one big locomotive!  And heavy, too, at 1.2 million lbs.  The
> heaviest Diesel locomotive I'm familiar with is the GM SD-40, which weighs
> 389,000 lbs when equipped with a V-16 General Motors 645E3 engine (645 cubic
> inches per cylinder, for a total of 10,320 cubic inches, or around 169
> liters, producing 3000hp at 990rpm).  It was also available with a V-20
> engine, but there may be larger, heavier Diesels available now.
> 
> All the same, it looks like they'd be dwarfed by the Big Boy.

I remember now, you used to work for the railway, didn't you?  I guess
you'd know this stuff then...  

-frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
I'm hoping that this was a toy gun, but even if it was, given what we
 in North America are presented with on the news WRT violence and 
terrorism in Jerusalem and Israel, if kids are playing with guns, I 
find that very disquieting.
Frank, I may be risking starting a flame here, but I hope the list will
be wise enough not to pick up on me, so to say.
Jostein can probably attest to that, but Israel is just yet another
country, may be slightly less western than US, and may be slightly less
European, than, say, Norway, but it is quite a regular country.
Boys always play with guns and cars, and girls always play with dolls.
And, of course, if it's a real gun, presuming that this young man is 
carrying it for protection, the fact that he's pointing it at people 
and making light of it is an even scarier proposition.
If it was a real gun and Jostein would have taken a shot like this, it
would mean that a second later this person would be surrounded by
police. Or Jostein and me wouldn't be posting/writing this image/message
respectively.
I think what bothers me even more is the laughing friend to his
immediate right.
Oh, of course he is laffing. This is a duel, don't you see? In fact, I
was somewhere near Jostein, with my camera, so it was even more fun.
The third young man, apparently oblivious to it all, separated 
slightly from the other two, is a very interesting image as well - 
does he just not notice, doesn't he care, or is violence and gunplay 
so commonplace that it's all meaningless to him.
No, the guy is just immersed in his thoughts...
Don't get me wrong, Jostein, this is a very powerful image, and a 
terrific (if depressing) photo.
Well, I do see how this could be a depressing image... Believe me, I do.
Whether playing with toys or dead serious, it scares the hell out of 
me one way or the other.  Your photo certainly touched a nerve, and 
that's a good thing.

Very strong image!!
Frank, like I said, and let me tell that explicitly, I mean that in a
very friendly, very relaxed manner, but you seem to have overreacted...
Or, as usual, I am totally off base here and something in your post
slipped past my eyes and mind...
Boris

Re: Union Pacific Big Boy on the Move

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:44:00 -0600, George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Last weekend I spent a few hours watching Union Pacific move an old Steam
> Locomotive from Union Station to it's new home.  The Big Boy is one of
> several locomotives claiming to be the largest ever made.  Next month
> they'll move one of the few remaining "Centennial" diesel engines to the
> same location.
> 
> The stills were taken with an istD and the videos were shot with an OptioMX.
> 
> 
> 
> See you later, gs


I didn't even try to get the videos to go, but the still photos are a
great document of an interesting event!

Well done, all of them.

cheers,
frank 


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Graywolf]

Ah ha, the type of boat junks were copied from (grin). 

graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Francis wrote:

At 02:13 AM 3/21/2005 +, you wrote:
Judging by the almost vertical anchor chain, the tide has come up, and 
the
bow is being pulled down.  This has caused the stern to rise and give the
boat a rather strange appearance.

John

The perspective does make it a bit confusing but he had actually just 
put down anchor. It is one of those old style clinker planked, pot 
bellied, poop decked beauties. No fiberglass or fin keels for me. :)

Francis


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Re: PAW: Boys be Boys

[frank theriault]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 05:55:25 +0200, Boris Liberman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I am lazy. So may be whenever Jostein posts an image from his trip I'll
> post mine... I know, I *am* lazy...
> 
> http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=177067
> 
> I thought b/w would work here...
> 
> Thanks in advance for your comments.
> 
> Boris

Are those the same two with the gun in Jostein's pic?

I like this shot a lot.  Great separation between these two boys and
the rest of the kids playing in the background - it almost has a 3D
effect.

Very lively, playful shot - interesting juxtaposition to Jostein's
photo, that's for sure.

Well captured, Boris!

cheers,
frank


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Re: PESO Water on fire

[Graywolf]

Don't bet, Peter. Trust me, don't bet on that! They might not laugh at you if 
you said it was two catboats, but you would still lose. I am not sure what it 
is, hence the question marks, but I am sure it is not a brace of catboats (cat 
boats have one mast and one sail by definition).
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Peter J. Alling wrote:
I guess it does look like that, but if I were a betting man I'd say 
Catboat.

Graywolf wrote:
A ketch rigged junk

Francis wrote:
Another boat pic

http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html

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PAW: Boys be Boys

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
I am lazy. So may be whenever Jostein posts an image from his trip I'll 
post mine... I know, I *am* lazy...

http://www.photoforum.ru/rate/photo.php?photo_id=177067
I thought b/w would work here...
Thanks in advance for your comments.
Boris

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!
Not a shooting style I'm familiar with.
Any and all comments are most welcome.
http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694
Thanks for looking.
Cool shot. Many things can be said about this one. I have a question to 
the honored community of PDML...

Does anyone notice that two boys on the left look like twin brothers? 
Somehow Jostein "got us" just fine :).

I think technically it is quite perfect. The only thing I'd like is a 
just a bit more space beneath the middle one... He is almost falling 
through out of the frame...

It is really cool shot.
Boris

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:46:55 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In all honesty, Markus, I'm still learninmg about color film. 

To be honest with you, while there are many reasons that I shoot B&W
(which I won't bore this list with right now), one reason is that I'm
still learning about B&W.

God, throw colours into what I have to think about and I'll go nuts!  

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:33:49 -0500, Peter J. Alling
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some later films, notably of the film noire genre of starting in the
> late 30's into the mid 50's, eschewed color for artistic reasons.

Certainly, even into the 70's and later, a very few films were shot in
B&W, and presumably the medium was chosen for artistic reasons.

Raging Bull and The Lenny Bruce Story come to mind.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:25:57 -0500, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> My wife, for example, won't watch a B&W movie;

Wow!  That's a pretty extreme position to take.

She can't watch Casablanca?  To Kill a Mockingbird?  Raging Bull?

-frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Francis]

At 02:13 AM 3/21/2005 +, you wrote:
Judging by the almost vertical anchor chain, the tide has come up, and the
bow is being pulled down.  This has caused the stern to rise and give the
boat a rather strange appearance.
John
The perspective does make it a bit confusing but he had actually just put 
down anchor. It is one of those old style clinker planked, pot bellied, 
poop decked beauties. No fiberglass or fin keels for me. :)

Francis 

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Francis]

No it's definitely not a catboat.
It's a regular Bermuda ketch with the booms taken off.
Francis
At 08:47 PM 3/20/2005 -0500, you wrote:
I guess it does look like that, but if I were a betting man I'd say Catboat.
Graywolf wrote:
A ketch rigged junk
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---

Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.

[Graywolf]

The derogatorily term "turkey" is a corruption of "turnkey" and has to do with 
prison guards in merry old England and not birds. However your pun was understood.
Now why is it can I never seem to remember anything useful?
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Peter J. Alling wrote:
My strange sense of humor is all.  Due to an accident of history this 
native American Bird is called a Turkey.  A term of derision in American 
English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, 
is to call someone a "Turkey",  Then there is the statement in the true 
but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat."
Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one.  (Not 
nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it).

The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground.  I 
actually made the photograph with this crop in mind.

Markus Maurer wrote:
Hi Peter
a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here...
How does it look uncropped?
greetings
Markus
 

Well enough of the people pictures for now.
http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html
Technical data:
Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec
smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0
As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.



 



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Re: PESO -- Portrait 1

[Peter J. Alling]

Christopher Oliver wrote:
On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 10:35:55AM -0500, Jim Hemenway wrote:
 

H... a pretty girl.  That may be the problem in that you forgot to 
focus on the eye closest to you. ;-)
   

I've often heard this advice about focusing, but as far as closest eyes,
I can't figure out how to get a lens to focus just behind the camera.
 

I suppose you could get a 2mm lens with 355° coverage.
--
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During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:54:36 +0100, Jostein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not a shooting style I'm familiar with.
> Any and all comments are most welcome.
> 
> http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694
> 
> Thanks for looking.
> 
> Jostein
> 

Hmmm...

I don't know what others think (as I have yet to read the other
comments), but I find this a very disturbing photo, especially given
where it was taken.

I'm hoping that this was a toy gun, but even if it was, given what we
in North America are presented with on the news WRT violence and
terrorism in Jerusalem and Israel, if kids are playing with guns, I
find that very disquieting.

And, of course, if it's a real gun, presuming that this young man is
carrying it for protection, the fact that he's pointing it at people
and making light of it is an even scarier proposition.

I think what bothers me even more is the laughing friend to his immediate right.

The third young man, apparently oblivious to it all, separated
slightly from the other two, is a very interesting image as well -
does he just not notice, doesn't he care, or is violence and gunplay
so commonplace that it's all meaningless to him.

Don't get me wrong, Jostein, this is a very powerful image, and a
terrific (if depressing) photo.

Whether playing with toys or dead serious, it scares the hell out of
me one way or the other.  Your photo certainly touched a nerve, and
that's a good thing.

Very strong image!!

cheers,
frank 


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Herb Chong]

it shouldn't find any problems very often. NTFS is extremely reliable about 
these things. the file system will be valid and correct under a large number 
of crash conditions. that doesn't mean that applications can't screw things 
up on their own by being sloppy about keeping things transactional. that 
will leave a valid file system with incorrect contents. NTFS's journaling 
file system is transactional and much harder to make inconsistent.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question


FWIW - I do not think that any disk check on NTFS has ever found any 
problem - a fact that leave me wondering in the check programs do much 
good. I also associate NTFS with HPFS - which I believe is the anticedent 
of NTFS. I used HPFS for several years back before the MS empire dominated 
the universe - HPFS crashed and burned terribly on me more than a few 
times. (Part of the reason why I wound up back in Windows.) I'm sure NTFS 
is a significant improvemnt of the HPFS I used to use the Warp days, but 
still

Re: Union Pacific Big Boy on the Move

[George Sinos]

Replying to several -

First, thanks for the compliments.  I had a lot of fun with this one.

On the videos -  I changed the gallery format to one that may be a bit
more friendly to videos.  In this format, Smugmug (the host for my
photo site) has a few hints under the videos.  The best bet, if you're
having trouble is to try their directions about downloading the photo
to your computer.

On the OptioMX - This is the original three megapixel version.  It is
a great size, smaller than most of my lenses, and slips right into a
lens pocket in my camera bag.  I rarely use it for stills, but use it
as a video complement to the istD.  The mpeg-4 gives great results and
relatively compact files.  The files on the site are mpeg-1 as
required by Smugmug.

On the locomotive size - yeah, this thing is big.  The diesel loco
that will be moved in April is just as impressive.  It's 98 feet long,
It has two diesel engines on one giant frame.  Here's a link for a bit
of info.  (Pat - it's a lot bigger than an SD40)



The two will be displayed together on a site that is clearly visible
from Interstate 80 as you cross the bridge from Iowa into Nebraska.

See you later, gs

Re: PESO -- Portrait 1

[Christopher Oliver]

On Sat, Mar 19, 2005 at 10:35:55AM -0500, Jim Hemenway wrote:
> H... a pretty girl.  That may be the problem in that you forgot to 
> focus on the eye closest to you. ;-)

I've often heard this advice about focusing, but as far as closest eyes,
I can't figure out how to get a lens to focus just behind the camera.

-- 
Christopher Oliver
  Inside every good dog is a terrier trying to get out.

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Bruce Dayton]

Very nice...

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, March 20, 2005, 3:54:22 PM, you wrote:

F> Another boat pic

F> I was trying halfheartedly to frame the sunset when this friend of ours
F> sailed onto the scene.
F>  From that point on I was franticly running up and down the beach snapping
F> away. :)
F> http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html
F> P3n K200mm 1:2.5 hand held. No color enhancement.
F> All comments and critiques appreciated

F> Francis

Re: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[frank theriault]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:17:58 +0100, Markus Maurer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Frank
> I understand your rules well but for me, one important thing is missing:
> 
> ---> You not only take a photograph, you publish it later by showing it at
> least here. <--
> 
> That is, of course not a problem for me, because otherwise I would not see
> all the nice people PESO's here,
> but it is a different thing according to the law and would maybe make a
> difference to peoples decision to let you take a photo of them or just to
> find it "okay".
> 
> What do you think?
> greetings
> Markus

AFAIK, the laws WRT publishing photos of people are different in
continental Europe than they are in the Common Law countries (meaning
basically Britain, the US, and most if not all of the British
Commonwealth countries).

In Canada (with the possible exception of the Province of Quebec) if
one is in public, with no reasonable expectation of privacy, I can
take your photo, and publish it.  I can't use it for commercial
purposes (ie:  to endorse or sell a product), but I can certainly sell
such photos if anyone would buy them ).

I know with the "anti-paparazzi" laws that are being proposed in some
places, that may change, but we have no such laws here, so I can take
and publish photos of people in public any time I want to.  Who I
photo, and when I show them is my decision.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Shel Belinkoff]

Just because someone extols the virtues of tonality does not mean that the
subject is not paramount in their eyes.

What do you mean "at the time they were made?"  B&W films are still made.
You are mistaken about B&W movies.  Citizen Kane, for example, was made in
what, 1941 or so?  Watch that movie and see the amazing depth the
cinematographer got from his gear and the lighting he used.  Move to 1951
and watch Asphalt Jungle, and be blown away by the detail and beautiful use
of light and shadow.  Look at the B&W work of Roger Deakins, notably  The
Man Who Wasn't There, and see the stunning B&W work he did (1991).  A most
notable scene is when the lawyer, Freddy Riedenschneider, is making his
speech in the prison visiting room, bathed in glorious sunlight balanced
with the magnificent shadows (interesting trivia: Sam Jaffe played a
charachter named Riedenschneider in Asphalt Jungle).  The B&W scenes in
Quentin Tarantino's latest, Kill Bill, are marvelous, and in my opinion,
far more compelling than had they been shot in color. Michael Chapman's
brilliant (literally and figuratively) B&W work in Raging Bull is
considered classic, especially the fight scenes. I can go on.  B&W fims are
certainly every bit the equal of color work, and, in some instances,
superior, both in beuty and being able to best tell the story.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis 

> There was a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek there.  But it's
> by no means uncommon to hear people going on about the rich tones
> in the print, etc., etc., and ignoring the actual subject.
>
> With B&W movies, though, there are often other factors at work.
> Movies shot in B&W used equipment without the focal length ranges
> of modern cinecameras, the audio quality was often not of the best,
> and the ravages of time have introduced their own problems.
>
> At the time they were made, people were still marvelling at the
> ability to capture anything.  But by now cinephotography has well
> and truly crossed the threshold, and instead of being admired
> for what it is in isolation it gets measured against reality.
> Sadly, many B&W movies don't stand up under that scrutiny.

Re: OT: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Mark,

Sorry to hear of your troubles.  After two or three times of OE losing
my mail, I gave up on it.  It was the best thing I could have done.  I
ended up using The Bat, partly due to an interface that is quite
similar to OE.

I think I was stubborn enough to get zapped three times before giving
up.

-- 
Best regards,
Bruce


Sunday, March 20, 2005, 2:07:55 PM, you wrote:

MC> (OR: Cross Linked and Bummed Out)

MC> A question for the computer savvy -

MC> I have the .DBX files that Outlook Express uses to store messages in a
MC> folder called 'mail' in 'my documents' (not the default location.)

MC> To my horror, I fired up OE this afternoon and found no mail - everything
MC> was gone except for the handful of new messages for the PDML.

MC> Looking around - I realized that I had accidentally copied the 'mail' folder
MC> into a neighboring folder. Apparently OE made a new 'mail' folder and just
MC> started over...

MC> So, I copied the contents of the relocated folder back into the 'mail'
MC> folder and figured I was good to go - but unfortunately everything was they
MC> except my 'inbox'.  There was an 'inbox.dbx' file that was huge,but it was
MC> not being read. Looking closer, I realized that the 'deleted items' folder,
MC> which should of been huge, was pretty small. Everything else seems fine - my
MC> 'rules' are intact, the other folders are OK.

MC> I found some software that would extract the contents of the OE .dbx mail
MC> files. Running it against 'inbox.dbx' showed that the contents of the
MC> purpored 'inbox' file were really my deleted files. And the contents of
MC> Deleted Items.DBX seems to be just a truncated version of the same file.  I
MC> ran the utility against all the other folders, but no sign of my inbox
MC> stuff. I also ran a utility called WinUndelete which has been a real life
MC> saver in the past, when I have accidentally deleted files - and it shows no
MC> deleted version of inbox.dbx (or any deleted .dbx files at all...) (This
MC> program shows any deleted files that may still be sitting on the disk.) I
MC> did a disk check (this is an NTFS disk) and it found no problems.

MC> So... I'm guessing that I'm just SOL on this one - and that somehow in
MC> accidentally moving the mail folder (which was possibly in use at the time)
MC> my inbox.dbx file got cross linked to my deleted items.dbx file.  Is that
MC> plausible? Anything else I could try?

MC> Oddly enough - it's not as catastrophic a lose as it might seem, as I have
MC> 'sent items' folder and address book intact - so I've been able to get back
MC> to people on the few pending transactions I have. I printed hard copies of
MC> any receipts etc just last week to get ready to do taxes, though I lost an
MC> handful that just came in these last few days. If there is a way to get some
MC> of this back, that would be nice.

MC> Any thoughts, or am I toast?

MC> - MCC

MC> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
MC> Mark Cassino Photography
MC> Kalamazoo, MI
MC> www.markcassino.com
MC> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Re: PESO October Roses featuring the url

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:35:53 -0800, David Volkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Color (unedited):
> http://www.nwracephoto.com/colorIMGP8199.jpg
> I've forgotten what settings I used to convert the raw so it looks alot
> warmer to me than it did when I first converted it.
> Black and White:
> http://www.nwracephoto.com/IMGP8199.jpg
> Most of the processing that I did is stuff that I do to most of my
> pictures. I used noise ninja just out of habit even though it probably
> didn't need it at 200.  The sharpening is because I've always preferred
> sharpening photos in processing rather than leaving it to the camera.
> The black and white processing and film grain was just something I've
> been playing with lately.  The burning was done because the furthest
> left flower didn't pop out from the back ground as much as I'd like.
> david

Flowers are pretty tough to do well in B&W.  The B&W shot just doesn't
stand out for me.  Not that it's a bad shot, but the colour is much
better, IMHO.

cheers,
frank

-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.

[Mark Cassino]

Very nice shot - those guys are incredibly hard to stalk, so good work 
getting within shooting range!

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "Peter J. Alling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:39 PM
Subject: PESO -- You are what you eat.


Well enough of the people pictures for now.
http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html
Technical data:
Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec
smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0
As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. During a war you get to 
drive tanks through the sides of buildings and shoot foreigners - two 
things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 06:37:52 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This one's for Jens.  There was another pic with some people in it, so here
> it is, by request:
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01+.html
> 

Shel,

You better stick to photography!  

-frank



-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Mark Cassino]

I'm sending this again because the OE spell check mangled it. (One would 
think that the NTFS would be in the Microsoft spell check dictionary, but 
n.)

OE may well have been running in the background when the system crashed last
night - I don't remember. It usually runs in the background and I usually
don't leave the PC on all night.
I'm using NTFS and did both disk check on reboot, and then rebooted to safe
mode / command prompt and ran CHKDSK.  As an old DOS fan (I still use a
laptop running DOS) running CHKDSK is like visiting an old friend, but it
also makes me wonder if there aren't better alternatives (in the DOS days
scandisk and the Norton Utilities seemed much better than chkdsk, but I may
just be associating programs by name and not actual level of functionality.)
FWIW - I do not think that any disk check on NTFS has ever found any
problem - a fact that leave me wondering in the check programs do much good.
I also associate NTFS with HPFS - which I believe is the antecedent of NTFS.
I used HPFS for several years back before the MS empire dominated the
universe - HPFS crashed and burned terribly on me more than a few times.
(Part of the reason why I wound up back in Windows.) I'm sure NTFS is a
significant improvement of the HPFS I used to use the Warp days, but still
...
- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question


are you running Windows 2K, XP, or some other version of Windows and was 
OE running when the system crashed? NTFS is very resistant to problems 
like this. if you are running a version of Windows that supports it, NTFS 
is more reliable than FAT32, although a touch slower sometimes. that's not 
to say that NTFS is able to deal with all likely situations, but it is 
better. an external USB/Firewire hard drive and something like Norton 
Ghost is a pretty cheap way to defend against things like this. i've been 
using redundant sets of external hard drives for backup for a few years 
now and i don't regret the move to them. they are cheaper than tapes if 
you factor in a speedy enough drive to make it worthwhile. since i moved 
to a 1.2 terabyte RAID 5 drive array, i have been copying all my CDs and 
DVDs back onto the array and throwing them out. instead, i keep multiple 
external hard drives backing up the array. burning multiple CDs and DVDs 
is cheaper, but much more hassle to organize physically. i have only about 
200G of CDs and DVDs though, so that makes it easier.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question


Good question on underlying problems. I've been burning a bunch of DVD's 
these last few days and last night I left the system on while ThumbsPlus 
cataloged a new DVD. When I got up this morning the system was off and 
would not turn on. I unplugged it, plugged it back in, and it started. I 
assumed it had over heated (the motherboard is designed to shut down if 
there is an overheat problem) and the usual cause of overheating is dust 
clogging the heat sink. So once it was up and running and seemed OK, I 
shut down again and used some canned air to blow out the heatsink.

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[frank theriault]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 18:32:08 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It just caught my eye, and since I'm trying to work a little more in color
>  taken at a breakfast place I sometimes visit.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
> 
> Shel
> 

I like the framing.  I also like the little bit of graffiti around the
"Q" on the bottom left.

A fun shot.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Mark Cassino]

OE may well have been running in the background when the system crashed last 
night - I don't remember. It usually runs in the background and I usually 
don't leave the PC on all night.

I'm using NTSC and did both disk check on reboot, and then rebooted to safe 
mode / command prompt and ran CHKDSK.  As an old DOS fas (I still use a 
laptop running DOS) runnign CHKDSK is like visiting an old friend, but it 
also makes me wonder if there areb't beter alternatives (in the DOS days 
scandisk and the Norton Utilities seemed much better than chkdsk, but I may 
just be associating programs by name and not actual level of functionality.)

FWIW - I do not think that any disk check on NTFS has ever found any 
problem - a fact that leave me wondering in the check programs do much good. 
I also associate NTFS with HPFS - which I believe is the anticedent of NTFS. 
I used HPFS for several years back before the MS empire dominated the 
universe - HPFS crashed and burned terribly on me more than a few times. 
(Part of the reason why I wound up back in Windows.) I'm sure NTFS is a 
significant improvemnt of the HPFS I used to use the Warp days, but still 
...

- MCC
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- Original Message - 
From: "Herb Chong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question


are you running Windows 2K, XP, or some other version of Windows and was 
OE running when the system crashed? NTFS is very resistant to problems 
like this. if you are running a version of Windows that supports it, NTFS 
is more reliable than FAT32, although a touch slower sometimes. that's not 
to say that NTFS is able to deal with all likely situations, but it is 
better. an external USB/Firewire hard drive and something like Norton 
Ghost is a pretty cheap way to defend against things like this. i've been 
using redundant sets of external hard drives for backup for a few years 
now and i don't regret the move to them. they are cheaper than tapes if 
you factor in a speedy enough drive to make it worthwhile. since i moved 
to a 1.2 terabyte RAID 5 drive array, i have been copying all my CDs and 
DVDs back onto the array and throwing them out. instead, i keep multiple 
external hard drives backing up the array. burning multiple CDs and DVDs 
is cheaper, but much more hassle to organize physically. i have only about 
200G of CDs and DVDs though, so that makes it easier.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question


Good question on underlying problems. I've been burning a bunch of DVD's 
these last few days and last night I left the system on while ThumbsPlus 
cataloged a new DVD. When I got up this morning the system was off and 
would not turn on. I unplugged it, plugged it back in, and it started. I 
assumed it had over heated (the motherboard is designed to shut down if 
there is an overheat problem) and the usual cause of overheating is dust 
clogging the heat sink. So once it was up and running and seemed OK, I 
shut down again and used some canned air to blow out the heatsink.

Re: PESO Water on fire

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:54:22 -0800, Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another boat pic
> 
> I was trying halfheartedly to frame the sunset when this friend of ours
> sailed onto the scene.
>  From that point on I was franticly running up and down the beach snapping
> away. :)
> http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html
> P3n K200mm 1:2.5 hand held. No color enhancement.
> All comments and critiques appreciated
> 
> Francis
> 

Gorgeous!!

The guy on deck is that little detail that really makes the shot for me.

Lovely.

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:51:04 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -

> I hope there are no Newfies on the list.
> 

If there are, they're lurking, and it's not in their nature to keep a
low profile...



-frank

Geez, I used three homonyms in the same sentence...  


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: Weekend WTB. ;)

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:32:46 +, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> you could have saved yourself the trouble. I've had it put online so
> everyone can refer to it: http://tinyurl.com/4ehm2.
> 
> Sorry about all the coffee stains.

Of course, now we'll have to kill you.

-frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Mark Cassino]

And Mark should really start ***backing up*** his email files and the 
*.wab
Windows Adress book too
or if he switches to Outlook, the *.pst files and of course the rest.

greetings
Markus
You are right and I have absolutely no excuse. The whole reason why the 
files are in an easily accessible directory is to back them up, and I have 
another computer with 50 gigs of back up space networked right to this 
one...

... and the last backup I did was in September...  my own indolence.
In my own defense, though - I do generate a lot of stuff to be backed up, 
and running the 15 - 20 gigs needed through the network connection takes a 
big chunk of time.  I have email, correspondence and other writing, my 
website (which I copy to in total to a new directory every month, and then 
update), etc.No counting image files, I wind up with a huge amount of 
documents that need to be backed up.

But - all the more reason to actually _do_ the backups :-[
- MCC
PS: On the subject of backing up images, I do have a better system. First, I 
copy from the CF card to the XDrive, and then copy from the XDrive to a hard 
drive.After editing etc, the images I want to keep are copied into another 
directory.Then I burn a DVD with all my digital files - keepers and 
non-keepers on it. Then I burn another DVD with just the keepers. And only 
after both DVD's have been thumbnailed (i.e. - yes, they can be read) do I 
delete them from the hard drive and the XDrive.

In theory I have two copies of all the shots I want to keep.
I also create further redundant DVD's / Cd's for projects. So I have a few 
DVD's with the stuff I sell at art fairs - not just the source files but the 
actual print files. I update those every year, and roll the old stuff onto 
the DVD's. So if disk goes bad, I probably have a copy of an image on it. 
And if someone says "I saw a neat shot here last year that you don;t have 
any more..." I can usually get at it, if they can describe it reasonably 
well. Similarly,  when I do a show I gather together all the files I print 
and put then on one CD or DVD. I also burn 'current project' CD's so if 
someone want to look at bee photos, for example, and I pull together a few 
dozen, those then go on another DVD or CD. Ultimately, the images I use the 
most get copied the most - so I feel secure that there is a sufficient 
backup.

In the rare cases where I do something directly for a client - like the few 
weddings I reluctantly do - the digital files go right onto a DVD 
unprocessed, immediately. Then I do two burns of the final product and work 
files when editing is done.

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Mark Cassino Photography
Kalamazoo, MI
www.markcassino.com
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- Original Message - 
From: "Markus Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: RE: MX OUtlook Express Question




-Original Message-
From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 11:42 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Cc: Mark Cassino
Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question
Mark ... just a shot in the dark here: have you tried a system restore?
Shel

RE: Test of MS Outlook

[Patsy Kong]

Never mind. It passed. 

> -Original Message-
> From: Patsy Kong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 6:49 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Test of MS Outlook
> 
> Pass or Fail?
> 
> -Patsy
> Pat in SF 
> 

Re: P67 fisheye specs

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Mishka"
Subject: Re: P67 fisheye specs


tonight i've been playing with a speed graphic and an arsat fisheye.
it seems it would make a nice full frame 4x5 fisheye, except
(1) the lenshade has to be filed off and
(2) the bed shows in the picture.
P67 seems more promising since it does not have the shade and its
coverage should be pretty close to 9cm.  i could probably ask
s.k.grimes to build a mount for it from a blank board and a short tube.
but i would also need to somehow remove the bed from the view.
not sure how to do that without butchering the camera.
also, i am not sure if the weight of that lens is too much for the
front standard.
just a thought.
This would be better approached using a fairly robust view camera.
Find a dead 6x7 body, and take the lens mount from it.
Drill a lens board out to fit, screw the body flange to it and Bob's yer 
Uncle.

William Robb 

Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 
Subject: Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!


I'm glad there are no Newfies on this list.  :-)
I hope there are no Newfies on the list.
b...

Test of MS Outlook

[Patsy Kong]

Pass or Fail?

-Patsy
Pat in SF 

Re: PAW: Lee and Tim, Blowing

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:14:13 -0500, Graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> General comment, Frank.
> 
> BTW, do you still wear that white wig when checking out the list?

Nah, just the bunny ears, and even then not so often as I used to. 

cheers,
frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[frank theriault]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:27:21 -0600, William Robb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Keith Whaley"
> Subject: Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!
> 
> >
> > Listen, Frank... SOMEone's throwing their chewing gum all over the
> > sidewalks up there, now who IS it?
> 
> I told you they had some pretty disgusting habits.
> 
> William Robb

I'm glad there are no Newfies on this list.  :-)

-frank


-- 
"Sharpness is a bourgeois concept."  -Henri Cartier-Bresson

Re: P67 fisheye specs

[Scott Loveless]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:15:17 -0500, Mishka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> tonight i've been playing with a speed graphic and an arsat fisheye.
> it seems it would make a nice full frame 4x5 fisheye, except
> (1) the lenshade has to be filed off and
> (2) the bed shows in the picture.
> P67 seems more promising since it does not have the shade and its
> coverage should be pretty close to 9cm.  i could probably ask
> s.k.grimes to build a mount for it from a blank board and a short tube.
> but i would also need to somehow remove the bed from the view.
> not sure how to do that without butchering the camera.
Will dropping the front bed and then raising and tilting the front
standard not remove the bed from view?  If it won't, it sounds like
you need a monorail camera.
> also, i am not sure if the weight of that lens is too much for the
> front standard.
> 
> just a thought.
> 
> best,
> mishka
> 
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:11:07 -0800, Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Mishka writes:
> >
> > > Does anyone here know the physical dimensions of the p67 fisheye?
> > > Specifically, the mount diameter, the length and the weight?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mishka
> > >
> >
> > Not sure if anyone replied, as I'm reading the archive nowadays.
> >
> > According to the B&H website, the lens weighs 920g, 73mm long, and 102mm
> > wide; no filter diameter is noted, since filters are internal. I'm not
> > certain of the mount diameter. Whatever the standard 6x7 mount dimensions
> > are. Going to use one for a special project?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> 
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

RE: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[pnstenquist]

Among color negative films Portra NC is quite neutral.


> In all honesty, Markus, I'm still learninmg about color film.  I sorta like
> Fuji Superior for being neutral (not Reala),  and Sensia and Provia seem
> OK, but not having tried many films, my opinion has little value.  There
> were some nice color films, like Kodak Ektar and Supra 100 that seemed
> pretty neutral to me, but they're long gone.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Markus Maurer 
> 
> > I agree with you and wrote it in one of my last emails that most of the
> > first prints I receive today look oversaturated for me. BTW, which color
> > film seems to be the most "honest" regarding "color fidelity" for you
> then?
> >
> > I'm sure **I** did not *absolutely* need a computer to make good photos
> > before I started publishing them over the net
> >
> >
> > greetings
> > Markus
> >
> >
> >   No one complains (at least not very loudly or very often)
> > >>about the
> > >>color manipulation these films provide.
> > >>Shel
> > >>
> > >
> >
> 
> 

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Peter J. Alling]

Some later films, notably of the film noire genre of starting in the 
late 30's into the mid 50's, eschewed color for artistic reasons.

John Francis wrote:
There was a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek there.  But it's
by no means uncommon to hear people going on about the rich tones
in the print, etc., etc., and ignoring the actual subject.
With B&W movies, though, there are often other factors at work.
Movies shot in B&W used equipment without the focal length ranges
of modern cinecameras, the audio quality was often not of the best,
and the ravages of time have introduced their own problems.
At the time they were made, people were still marvelling at the
ability to capture anything.  But by now cinephotography has well
and truly crossed the threshold, and instead of being admired
for what it is in isolation it gets measured against reality.
Sadly, many B&W movies don't stand up under that scrutiny.
On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:37:50PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
 

Gotta laugh at that (not at you, John) for so often the comment made about
B&W photography is that it allows the viewer to concentrate on the subject
without the distraction of color. 

When watching some movies on DVD, I turn off the color.
Shel 

   

[Original Message]
From: John Francis 

My wife, for example, won't watch a B&W movie; the absence of
colour really interferes with her ability to concentrate on the
subject.  I don't go quite that far, but find that too often
B&W photography gets to be too much about the process, and not
enough about the subject.
 


 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: Union Pacific Big Boy on the Move

[Pat White]

That's one big locomotive!  And heavy, too, at 1.2 million lbs.  The 
heaviest Diesel locomotive I'm familiar with is the GM SD-40, which weighs 
389,000 lbs when equipped with a V-16 General Motors 645E3 engine (645 cubic 
inches per cylinder, for a total of 10,320 cubic inches, or around 169 
liters, producing 3000hp at 990rpm).  It was also available with a V-20 
engine, but there may be larger, heavier Diesels available now.

All the same, it looks like they'd be dwarfed by the Big Boy.
Pat White 

Re: P67 fisheye specs

[Mishka]

tonight i've been playing with a speed graphic and an arsat fisheye. 
it seems it would make a nice full frame 4x5 fisheye, except
(1) the lenshade has to be filed off and
(2) the bed shows in the picture. 
P67 seems more promising since it does not have the shade and its 
coverage should be pretty close to 9cm.  i could probably ask
s.k.grimes to build a mount for it from a blank board and a short tube.
but i would also need to somehow remove the bed from the view.
not sure how to do that without butchering the camera.
also, i am not sure if the weight of that lens is too much for the 
front standard.

just a thought.

best,
mishka

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:11:07 -0800, Tim Sherburne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Mishka writes:
> 
> > Does anyone here know the physical dimensions of the p67 fisheye?
> > Specifically, the mount diameter, the length and the weight?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mishka
> >
> 
> Not sure if anyone replied, as I'm reading the archive nowadays.
> 
> According to the B&H website, the lens weighs 920g, 73mm long, and 102mm
> wide; no filter diameter is noted, since filters are internal. I'm not
> certain of the mount diameter. Whatever the standard 6x7 mount dimensions
> are. Going to use one for a special project?
> 
> Tim
> 
>

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[John Francis]

There was a certain amount of tongue-in-cheek there.  But it's
by no means uncommon to hear people going on about the rich tones
in the print, etc., etc., and ignoring the actual subject.

With B&W movies, though, there are often other factors at work.
Movies shot in B&W used equipment without the focal length ranges
of modern cinecameras, the audio quality was often not of the best,
and the ravages of time have introduced their own problems.

At the time they were made, people were still marvelling at the
ability to capture anything.  But by now cinephotography has well
and truly crossed the threshold, and instead of being admired
for what it is in isolation it gets measured against reality.
Sadly, many B&W movies don't stand up under that scrutiny.


On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:37:50PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> Gotta laugh at that (not at you, John) for so often the comment made about
> B&W photography is that it allows the viewer to concentrate on the subject
> without the distraction of color. 
> 
> When watching some movies on DVD, I turn off the color.
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: John Francis 
> >
> > My wife, for example, won't watch a B&W movie; the absence of
> > colour really interferes with her ability to concentrate on the
> > subject.  I don't go quite that far, but find that too often
> > B&W photography gets to be too much about the process, and not
> > enough about the subject.
> 

Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.

[Peter J. Alling]

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into the engines of 747's.
Don Sanderson wrote:
I got it!
There's a sign over my desk at work that says:
"It's hard to fly with the eagles,
when you work with a bunch of turkeys"
No one seems to appreciate it much,
perhaps its location?
Don ;-)
 

-Original Message-
From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:02 PM
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Subject: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
My strange sense of humor is all.  Due to an accident of history this 
native American Bird is called a Turkey.  A term of derision in American 
English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, 
is to call someone a "Turkey",  Then there is the statement in the true 
but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat."
Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one.  (Not 
nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it).

The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground.  I 
actually made the photograph with this crop in mind.

Markus Maurer wrote:
   

Hi Peter
a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here...
How does it look uncropped?
greetings
Markus

 

Well enough of the people pictures for now.
http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html
Technical data:
Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec
smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0
As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.


 


 

--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on 
during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

   


 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO Water on fire

[John Forbes]

Judging by the almost vertical anchor chain, the tide has come up, and the  
bow is being pulled down.  This has caused the stern to rise and give the  
boat a rather strange appearance.

John
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:47:20 -0500, Peter J. Alling  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I guess it does look like that, but if I were a betting man I'd say  
Catboat.

Graywolf wrote:
A ketch rigged junk
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Francis wrote:
Another boat pic
I was trying halfheartedly to frame the sunset when this friend of  
ours sailed onto the scene.
 From that point on I was franticly running up and down the beach  
snapping away. :)
http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html
P3n K200mm 1:2.5 hand held. No color enhancement.
All comments and critiques appreciated

Francis




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Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Herb Chong]

the email program has its faults. other programs are better in many ways, 
but they take a little more effort to install and make work. Microsoft has 
made a lot of money by appearing as the path of least resistance. i think an 
export program that can read and make backups of OE mail folders without OE 
running would solve a lot of problems.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Markus Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: MX OUtlook Express Question


agreed, but chkdsk still helps avoiding other file system problems. 
Windows
only checks after a crash.
Only more than **one** backup generation or "maybe" a more robust email
program would have helped here.
greetings

RE: PESO -- You are what you eat.

[Don Sanderson]

I got it!
There's a sign over my desk at work that says:
"It's hard to fly with the eagles,
when you work with a bunch of turkeys"
No one seems to appreciate it much,
perhaps its location?

Don ;-)

> -Original Message-
> From: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:02 PM
> To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
> Subject: Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.
> 
> 
> My strange sense of humor is all.  Due to an accident of history this 
> native American Bird is called a Turkey.  A term of derision in American 
> English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, 
> is to call someone a "Turkey",  Then there is the statement in the true 
> but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat."
> Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one.  (Not 
> nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it).
> 
> The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground.  I 
> actually made the photograph with this crop in mind.
> 
> Markus Maurer wrote:
> 
> >Hi Peter
> >a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here...
> >How does it look uncropped?
> >greetings
> >Markus
> >
> >  
> >
> >>>Well enough of the people pictures for now.
> >>>
> >>>http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html
> >>>
> >>>Technical data:
> >>>Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec
> >>>smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0
> >>>
> >>>As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
> During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
> and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on 
> during peacetime.
>   --P.J. O'Rourke
> 
> 

Re: PESO -- You are what you eat.

[Peter J. Alling]

My strange sense of humor is all.  Due to an accident of history this 
native American Bird is called a Turkey.  A term of derision in American 
English, due to the domesticated variety of turkey's supposed stupidity, 
is to call someone a "Turkey",  Then there is the statement in the true 
but not necessarily important category "You are what you eat."
Taken to the logical extreme if you eat turkey, you are one.  (Not 
nearly as clever as I had hoped, having had to explain it).

The uncropped image has a lot of boring white snow in the foreground.  I 
actually made the photograph with this crop in mind.

Markus Maurer wrote:
Hi Peter
a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here...
How does it look uncropped?
greetings
Markus
 

Well enough of the people pictures for now.
http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html
Technical data:
Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec
smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0
As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.
 


 


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

RE: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Herb

>running chkdsk would not have
>>detected Mark's problem.

agreed, but chkdsk still helps avoiding other file system problems. Windows
only checks after a crash.
Only more than **one** backup generation or "maybe" a more robust email
program would have helped here.
greetings
Markus


 >

RE: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Shel Belinkoff]

In all honesty, Markus, I'm still learninmg about color film.  I sorta like
Fuji Superior for being neutral (not Reala),  and Sensia and Provia seem
OK, but not having tried many films, my opinion has little value.  There
were some nice color films, like Kodak Ektar and Supra 100 that seemed
pretty neutral to me, but they're long gone.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Markus Maurer 

> I agree with you and wrote it in one of my last emails that most of the
> first prints I receive today look oversaturated for me. BTW, which color
> film seems to be the most "honest" regarding "color fidelity" for you
then?
>
> I'm sure **I** did not *absolutely* need a computer to make good photos
> before I started publishing them over the net
>
>
> greetings
> Markus
>
>
>   No one complains (at least not very loudly or very often)
> >>about the
> >>color manipulation these films provide.
> >>Shel
> >>
> >
>

Re: Peso Water on fire

[Kenneth Waller]

> Once again proving that knowledge, technique, and a good eye are what is 
> needed to create a great image.

I'd include opportunity!

Kenneth Waller

- Original Message - 
From: "Butch Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:18 PM
Subject: RE: Peso Water on fire


> Gorgeous shot
> 
> Once again proving that knowledge, technique, and a good eye are what is 
> needed to create a great image. Not necessarily the most expensive 
> equipment. I could see that as a shot for a vacation brochure. Where was 
> that taken?
> 
> Butch 
 
 

Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Herb Chong]

on every crash, Windows always checks for errors at the next reboot. NTFS is 
a journaling file system and so is inherently more robust against crashes, 
but only as compared to FAT32. at boot time, a journaling file system only 
needs to verify make  sure that the last journal record is valid or to back 
out to the last valid one to catch and repair most errors. security 
descriptor problems are more complicated. running chkdsk would not have 
detected Mark's problem.

Herb
- Original Message - 
From: "Markus Maurer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: MX OUtlook Express Question


It's more a matter of never checking the file system for errors than the
type (NTFS or FAT32) in my experience.
(if you want to do it now: --> Start --> run -->  (chkdsk c: /f) say 
"y"es,
do it after a restart under NT/W2K/XP)
and that Outlook Express starts corrupting its DBX if the file size gets 
too
big (over 512MB for ex.)or in case of (missing) memory leaks.

Re: 1st Day of Spring in Eastern Massachusetts

[Peter J. Alling]

Nice shot, I'm a sucker for this kind of picture if it's well done...
Jim Hemenway wrote:
About 10 miles NE of Boston
http://www.hemenway.com/1stDayofSpring-05/pages/TwistedTree.htm
isDS with 43mm Limited


--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

RE: PESO -- You are what you eat.

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Peter
a lovely picture but I do not understand the meaning of title here...
How does it look uncropped?
greetings
Markus

>
>>Well enough of the people pictures for now.
>>
>>http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html
>>
>>Technical data:
>>Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec
>>smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0
>>
>>As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Shel Belinkoff]

Gotta laugh at that (not at you, John) for so often the comment made about
B&W photography is that it allows the viewer to concentrate on the subject
without the distraction of color. 

When watching some movies on DVD, I turn off the color.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: John Francis 
>
> My wife, for example, won't watch a B&W movie; the absence of
> colour really interferes with her ability to concentrate on the
> subject.  I don't go quite that far, but find that too often
> B&W photography gets to be too much about the process, and not
> enough about the subject.

RE: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Shel
I agree with you and wrote it in one of my last emails that most of the
first prints I receive today look oversaturated for me. BTW, which color
film seems to be the most "honest" regarding "color fidelity" for you then?

I'm sure **I** did not *absolutely* need a computer to make good photos
before I started publishing them over the net


greetings
Markus


  No one complains (at least not very loudly or very often)
>>about the
>>color manipulation these films provide.
>>Shel
>>
>

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Peter J. Alling]

I guess it does look like that, but if I were a betting man I'd say Catboat.
Graywolf wrote:
A ketch rigged junk
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Francis wrote:
Another boat pic
I was trying halfheartedly to frame the sunset when this friend of 
ours sailed onto the scene.
 From that point on I was franticly running up and down the beach 
snapping away. :)
http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html
P3n K200mm 1:2.5 hand held. No color enhancement.
All comments and critiques appreciated

Francis



--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Scott Loveless]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 15:54:22 -0800, Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Another boat pic
Very nas.  This belongs in a vacation brochure or magazine.  It made
me want to go sailing at sunset.  I'm also agreeing with David on this
one.  
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: Union Pacific Big Boy on the Move

[Bob Sullivan]

George,
I agree with Pat, great documentary.  I still remember begging to go
to the roundhouse as a 4 year old and see the steam engines.
True comment on your 36 pages, I went thru them all!
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:48:46 -0800 (PST), Pat K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> George,
> 
> What a great photo documentary.  Good use of people, cars, and soda cups for a
> sense of scale. That really is one BIG locomotive. The technology of
> yester-year is contrasted against modern vehicles and utility lines in a way
> that boggles my mind, as does the men in front who did the steering.  Image 32
> reminds me of a toy train loaded on a child's red wagon w/ toy figurines
> looking on. How many hours did this move take?
> 
> -Patsy
> Pat in SF
> 
> --- George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Last weekend I spent a few hours watching Union Pacific move an old Steam
> > Locomotive from Union Station to it's new home.  The Big Boy is one of
> > several locomotives claiming to be the largest ever made.  Next month
> > they'll move one of the few remaining "Centennial" diesel engines to the
> > same location.
> >
> > The stills were taken with an istD and the videos were shot with an OptioMX.
> >
> > 
> >
> > See you later, gs
> 
> 
> __
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
> http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
> 
>

RE: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Dave
I really can't help you  with a negative comment :-(
the swan picture is just too nice!
greetings
Markus


>
>>> 
>>> Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 
>>> Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks
>>> 
>

Re: PAW PESO - Coffee Royalty

[Scott Loveless]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:33:27 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I redid the pic.  Maybe it's better now.  The boards were too dark.
I didn't see the original, but this one has plenty of detail in the
boards.  I particularly like the green umbrella trying to poke through
the top.
> 
> http://home.earthlink.net/~my-pics/royal-01.html
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Whaley" 
Subject: Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!


Listen, Frank... SOMEone's throwing their chewing gum all over the 
sidewalks up there, now who IS it?
I told you they had some pretty disgusting habits.
William Robb

PESO -- You are what you eat.

[Peter J. Alling]

Well enough of the people pictures for now.
http://www.mindspring.com/~webster26/PESO_--_yawye.html
Technical data:
Pentax *ist-D iso 400 1/400sec
smc PENTAX-FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 @ 200mm f9.0
As usual comments are appreciated but may be totally ignored.
--
I can understand why mankind hasn't given up war. 
During a war you get to drive tanks through the sides of buildings 
and shoot foreigners - two things that are usually frowned on during peacetime.
	--P.J. O'Rourke

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[John Francis]

On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 05:05:50PM -0800, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> 
> We will not come to agreement on this.  

Nope.  People are different.

My wife, for example, won't watch a B&W movie; the absence of
colour really interferes with her ability to concentrate on the
subject.  I don't go quite that far, but find that too often
B&W photography gets to be too much about the process, and not
enough about the subject.

Re: Union Pacific Big Boy on the Move

[Scott Loveless]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 13:44:00 -0600, George Sinos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Last weekend I spent a few hours watching Union Pacific move an old Steam
> Locomotive from Union Station to it's new home.  The Big Boy is one of
> several locomotives claiming to be the largest ever made.  Next month
> they'll move one of the few remaining "Centennial" diesel engines to the
> same location.
George, these are great.  They made me smile.  Trains have certainly
played a very big part in history, and you have done a wonderful job
documenting this event.  Thanks!


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

RE: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Shel Belinkoff]

Every photo you see here has been "processed on a computer" and even the
color pics have been "adjusted".  Is there really so great a difference
between  adding a hint of tone to a B&W photo and adding saturation to
color, or enhancing certain areas of a photograph?  Or is a hint of sepia
any different than shooting on super saturated  films like Velvia or Ultra
Color and all the rest that have built into them color manipulation, and
are as far from reality in one direction as a straight B&W print is in the
other?  No one complains (at least not very loudly or very often) about the
color manipulation these films provide.  Nor do I hear a peep when the digi
cam users say that they've set their cameras to enhance contrast, saturate
colors, and so on.  I guess if the manipulation is in color and if it's
digital it's not quite the same thing as converting to B&W

My guess is that had someone shot this originally in B&W and made a silver
gelatin print which had been toned, no one would say a word about process
or whether it should have been shot in color or not.  But what the hell do
I know ... I'm lost in the past, don't shoot digital, process my own B&W
negative film, use a darkroom, and use old fashioned cameras.  Clearly (and
I say this without sarcasm), I am pretty much out of touch with
contemporary photography.

Shel 


> [Original Message]
> From: Markus Maurer 
>
> Beside (maybe) tilting a bit I would not change anything in Josteins
> picture, certainly not the colors.
> It is already very good. Do we really have to "process" every photo on the
> computer nowadays?

Re: PESO foggy harbour

[Scott Loveless]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 22:26:37 -0800, Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good evening every one!
> I developed my first batch of slides yesterday! (a hundred and fifty
> dollars! @#^&% )
> Here is one of the best ones (in my opinion).
> http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/boat&sea-gulls.html
Wonderful!  I love the feel of a 28mm lens.And you are
apparently very adept at its use.  Not sure why, but this photograph
makes me want to believe that the boat sailed in with no crew.  Kinda
spooky, but I like it.
> Taken with my P3n and some no-name screw mount 28mm.
> All comments appreciated (even the ones I don't get around to relying to ;-\ 
> ).
> 
> Francis
> P.S. In case you were wondering this is a REAL photo, no "post processing"
> (aside from dusting off the hair balls and trying to get the colors to
> match the slide (hopeless))
> 
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

RE: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Herb

It's more a matter of never checking the file system for errors than the
type (NTFS or FAT32) in my experience.
(if you want to do it now: --> Start --> run -->  (chkdsk c: /f) say "y"es,
do it after a restart under NT/W2K/XP)
and that Outlook Express starts corrupting its DBX if the file size gets too
big (over 512MB for ex.)or in case of (missing) memory leaks.

Users should often delete old mails and attachments and compress the folders
in Outlook Express (Menu File) after that and of course backup the DBX and
the WAB files.
Older Norton and other antivirus software tries to delete/repair email
embedded viruses/worms and sometimes kills oder blocks the complete email
database during that process.

Most people do not know exactly where their Email programm and others store
data files and how they are named.
Even worse: every Windows version and different Outlook versions handle it
differently.
When you use your computer alone or with others (several profiles) or
networked its getting even more complicated.

Usually I define backup jobs with all the data with NTBACKUP for my clients
and additional jobs for important data files in SECONDCOPY as background
process and have a list for them with important directories and file names
to safe. Since NTBACKUP
compresses data and can also safe the **Windows registry in use**, it's a
good way to use it for backup on CD/DVD/HD too.


greetings
Markus







>>-Original Message-
>>From: Herb Chong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:58 AM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question
>>
>>
>>are you running Windows 2K, XP, or some other version of Windows
>>and was OE
>>running when the system crashed? NTFS is very resistant to problems like
>>this. if you are running a version of Windows that supports it,
>>NTFS is more
>>reliable than FAT32, although a touch slower sometimes. that's not to say
>>that NTFS is able to deal with all likely situations, but it is
>>better. an
>>external USB/Firewire hard drive and something like Norton Ghost
>>is a pretty
>>cheap way to defend against things like this. i've been using
>>redundant sets
>>of external hard drives for backup for a few years now and i don't regret
>>the move to them. they are cheaper than tapes if you factor in a speedy
>>enough drive to make it worthwhile. since i moved to a 1.2
>>terabyte RAID 5
>>drive array, i have been copying all my CDs and DVDs back onto
>>the array and
>>throwing them out. instead, i keep multiple external hard drives
>>backing up
>>the array. burning multiple CDs and DVDs is cheaper, but much
>>more hassle to
>>organize physically. i have only about 200G of CDs and DVDs
>>though, so that
>>makes it easier.
>>
>>Herb...
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: 
>>Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:29 PM
>>Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question
>>
>>
>>> Good question on underlying problems. I've been burning a bunch
>>of DVD's
>>> these last few days and last night I left the system on while
>>ThumbsPlus
>>> cataloged a new DVD. When I got up this morning the system was off and
>>> would not turn on. I unplugged it, plugged it back in, and it
>>started. I
>>> assumed it had over heated (the motherboard is designed to shut down if
>>> there is an overheat problem) and the usual cause of
>>overheating is dust
>>> clogging the heat sink. So once it was up and running and seemed OK, I
>>> shut down again and used some canned air to blow out the heatsink.
>>
>>
>>

RE: Peso Water on fire

[Butch Black]

Gorgeous shot
Once again proving that knowledge, technique, and a good eye are what is 
needed to create a great image. Not necessarily the most expensive 
equipment. I could see that as a shot for a vacation brochure. Where was 
that taken?

Butch 

Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[John Francis]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] mused:
> 
> 3. Most people don't have the time or the storage capacity for a complete 
> backup. It's not a good thing, but it's a fact of life for many.


Leaving my image files and audio files out of the equation,
everything else on the data partition of our main household
computer can be backed up onto a single CD-R (and is, every
month at least).  That includes all our email for 10 years,
tax return and electronic banking data files, etc., etc.

[The image files, mind you, take up tens of gigabytes]

Re: PESO October Roses featuring the url

[Scott Loveless]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 13:27:32 -0800, David Volkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I humbly introduce my first PESO.
Well done.  I like it.
> 
> This was taken way back in October and I finally got around to working
> on it this last week.
> Camera Info:
> Pentax *ist D
> Pentax 28-70mm F/4 @ 65mm F/7.1
> 1/125
> iso 200
> Photoshop processing:
> Noise ninja, Nik Color Effects brilliance/warmth, Highpass filter
> sharpening, converted to black and white using some process I found
> online a while back, burned in some of the pedals, and added film grain.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!  I love it when people give specifics
about a photograph.  While I typically don't like digital "grain"
(most people over do it), this is very nice.  Bokeh is very nicely
done.  I do like the contrast and the way the light plays on the
petals.

-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

P67 fisheye specs

[Tim Sherburne]

Mishka writes:

> Does anyone here know the physical dimensions of the p67 fisheye?
> Specifically, the mount diameter, the length and the weight?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mishka
> 

Not sure if anyone replied, as I'm reading the archive nowadays.

According to the B&H website, the lens weighs 920g, 73mm long, and 102mm
wide; no filter diameter is noted, since filters are internal. I'm not
certain of the mount diameter. Whatever the standard 6x7 mount dimensions
are. Going to use one for a special project?

Tim

Re: Paw: Trumpeter Swans for Markus

[Scott Loveless]

I like it!


On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:18:54 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hummm. I see Paul S. and Markus's comments in the archives but not on the 
> email.
> 
> Oh well,thanks Paul and Markus for the comments.
> 
> Oh and here is the Swan shot.:-)
> 
>  http://www.caughtinmotion.com/paw/swansong.jpg
> 
> Comments welcome. I'll take negative AND positive comments. 
> 
> BTW dressage tape out of the way, AC adaptor bought, looked at the Sigma 500 
> super flash
> AND the DA
> 16-45(nice). Now to get Sundays horse show out of the way.:-)
> 
> Dave(sent in his PUG just now)Brooks
> 
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: PAW: My Baby Girl

[Scott Loveless]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 06:17:30 -0800, Shel Belinkoff
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> You have a lovely daughter, although she looks a little uncomfortable in
> this situation.
Agreed, and agreed.  You've got yourself a lovely model.
> 
> As a portrait, however, this is far from your best work.  Ingred's eyes
> look a little bloodshot, her bra strap is showing, and there seems to be
> some artifacting on her nose.  The two highlights in each eye are something
> of a distraction as well.  One highlight might be better, yes?  More
> traditional in a formal portrait, in any case?
My first thought is that a slightly higher camera angle may be a bit
more flattering.  Other than that, I like it.  I didn't really notice
the double highlights until Shel pointed them out.  They don't bother
me.
> 
> Shel
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: Paul Stenquist
> 
> > http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=3178492
> 
> 


-- 
Scott Loveless
http://www.twosixteen.com

Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Shel Belinkoff]

I did a Q&D convert to B&W, and, to my eye, it looks better than in color. 
But then, I learned to shoot and process B&W, I generally "see" in B&W, and
in many instances find color to be a clutter and a distraction in
photographs.  I like B&W movies as well.  Why?  Well color photographs
~may~ be more real, although that's an arguable point with me these days
since so much color work is overly saturated, and that which isn't doesn't
always represent the true colors found in a scene. 

Because this photo in particular has such subtle colors, I don't think it
would lose a thing being in B&W, and I think that B&W makes a sronger image.

As for sepia, again, I don't see it quite the way you do, as for years and
years there have been warm toned papers that have produced a subtle sepia
tone.  And many silver prints were toned as a matter of course in aprt for
artistic value and in (perhaps a greater part) for archival value.  Toning,
and warm toned papers, have always been a part of the image in my mind, not
about process.  Sepia does not have to be in-your-face and intense.

We will not come to agreement on this.  

Shel 


> [Original Message]

> regarding> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694> 
>
> > I'd like to see this in B&W, or with a slight sepia tone.  People shoot
> > too
> > much color, perhaps because it's what they're used to seeing, or because
> > it's simpler to do (esp in digital), and a lot of photos are diminished
by
> > that apoproach. A ~good~ thoughful B&W conversion may lift this from the
> > ordinary into something a bit more interesing and with greater impact.
>
>
> I disagree with you here on a couple of points: First, I don't think
*this* 
> image is diminished by being in colour; there are few colours here with
the 
> clothes being B&W and the other elements being muted colours.
>
> Second, I think the application of *sepia* generally makes the finished 
> product about the process rather than what was going on in front of the
lens. 
> The original picture then becomes an ingredient in the production of a
piece 
> of what the producer considers artwork; I think in this case the image is 
> about sharing something the photographer saw and a moment he experienced. 
> (For that reason, the tilt doesn't bother me.)
>
> Third, I think that b&w vs. colour *is* largely a matter of taste and 
> opinion, and I disagree with your opinion that "people shoot too 
> much color" although I agree that the reason for all this colour shooting
is 
> that they see in colour. To me, for instance, colour photographs are more 
> interesting to look at than b&w ones because they are more "real". To
hold my 
> attention, a black & white photograph has to be REALLY compelling in its 
> content (some people on this list consistently shoot such compelling 
> monochrome images.) 
>
> My own history with black & white may explain my prejudices in this area: 
> Although I have taken a few b&w photographs because I thought the subject 
> matter needed b&w, most of the b&w I have ever shot was done in that
medium 
> either because I was restricted by my budget (years ago) or because I was 
> restricted by the end use. I've read somewhere the suggestion that b&w 
> photography would've never come up if the first technology to produce 
> photographs had produced colour; frankly I suspect this is true. It
started 
> out as a limitation of the technology! like coarse grain in low-light
shots, 
> and sometimes reintroducing the limitation serves no purpose.
>
> Of course, sometimes it DOES serve a purpose ... 
>
> But, this photograph we're discussing has a pretty clear content; isn't 
> cluttered with any brightly-coloured distractions; doesn't need 
> any "artistic" help like conversion to black and white or (shudder) sepia
or 
> (retch) infrared or cross-processing or (scream!) semi-conversion to
negative 
> to improve it. It's a slice of life and as such, is great just the way it
is. 
> IMO.
>
> Of course, I am in no way suggesting that your opinion ("people shoot too 
> much color ... ") is not valid but since I hold an opposing opinion, I 
> thought I would share it.
>
> ERNR

RE: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant

[Markus Maurer]

Well said, I'm with you here...

Beside (maybe) tilting a bit I would not change anything in Josteins
picture, certainly not the colors.
It is already very good. Do we really have to "process" every photo on the
computer nowadays?

greetings
Markus


>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:41 AM
>>To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
>>Subject: Re: PESO: "Gotcha" - Jerusalem, and a little rant
>>
>>
>>Quoting Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>regarding> > http://www.fotocommunity.com/pc/pc/cat/2213/display/2790694>
>>
>>> I'd like to see this in B&W, or with a slight sepia tone.  People shoot
>>> too
>>> much color, perhaps because it's what they're used to seeing, or because
>>> it's simpler to do (esp in digital), and a lot of photos are
>>diminished by
>>> that apoproach. A ~good~ thoughful B&W conversion may lift this from the
>>> ordinary into something a bit more interesing and with greater impact.
>>
>>
>>I disagree with you here on a couple of points: First, I don't
>>think *this*
>>image is diminished by being in colour; there are few colours
>>here with the
>>clothes being B&W and the other elements being muted colours.
>>
>>Second, I think the application of *sepia* generally makes the finished
>>product about the process rather than what was going on in front
>>of the lens.
>>The original picture then becomes an ingredient in the production
>>of a piece
>>of what the producer considers artwork; I think in this case the image is
>>about sharing something the photographer saw and a moment he experienced.
>>(For that reason, the tilt doesn't bother me.)
>>
>>Third, I think that b&w vs. colour *is* largely a matter of taste and
>>opinion, and I disagree with your opinion that "people shoot too
>>much color" although I agree that the reason for all this colour
>>shooting is
>>that they see in colour. To me, for instance, colour photographs are more
>>interesting to look at than b&w ones because they are more
>>"real". To hold my
>>attention, a black & white photograph has to be REALLY compelling in its
>>content (some people on this list consistently shoot such compelling
>>monochrome images.)
>>
>>My own history with black & white may explain my prejudices in this area:
>>Although I have taken a few b&w photographs because I thought the subject
>>matter needed b&w, most of the b&w I have ever shot was done in
>>that medium
>>either because I was restricted by my budget (years ago) or because I was
>>restricted by the end use. I've read somewhere the suggestion that b&w
>>photography would've never come up if the first technology to produce
>>photographs had produced colour; frankly I suspect this is true.
>>It started
>>out as a limitation of the technology! like coarse grain in
>>low-light shots,
>>and sometimes reintroducing the limitation serves no purpose.
>>
>>Of course, sometimes it DOES serve a purpose ...
>>
>>But, this photograph we're discussing has a pretty clear content; isn't
>>cluttered with any brightly-coloured distractions; doesn't need
>>any "artistic" help like conversion to black and white or
>>(shudder) sepia or
>>(retch) infrared or cross-processing or (scream!) semi-conversion
>>to negative
>>to improve it. It's a slice of life and as such, is great just
>>the way it is.
>>IMO.
>>
>>Of course, I am in no way suggesting that your opinion ("people shoot too
>>much color ... ") is not valid but since I hold an opposing opinion, I
>>thought I would share it.
>>
>>ERNR
>>
>>

RE: PESO: The splendour and the misery of Berlin

[Rob Studdert]

On 21 Mar 2005 at 0:17, Markus Maurer wrote:

> ---> You not only take a photograph, you publish it later by showing it at
> least here. <--

The concept of publishing via web display seems to be a legally gray area at 
the moment especially given that it's a medium without boarders so disputants 
are often governed by differing laws.


Rob Studdert
HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA
Tel +61-2-9554-4110
UTC(GMT)  +10 Hours
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/
Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998

Re: MX OUtlook Express Question

[Herb Chong]

are you running Windows 2K, XP, or some other version of Windows and was OE 
running when the system crashed? NTFS is very resistant to problems like 
this. if you are running a version of Windows that supports it, NTFS is more 
reliable than FAT32, although a touch slower sometimes. that's not to say 
that NTFS is able to deal with all likely situations, but it is better. an 
external USB/Firewire hard drive and something like Norton Ghost is a pretty 
cheap way to defend against things like this. i've been using redundant sets 
of external hard drives for backup for a few years now and i don't regret 
the move to them. they are cheaper than tapes if you factor in a speedy 
enough drive to make it worthwhile. since i moved to a 1.2 terabyte RAID 5 
drive array, i have been copying all my CDs and DVDs back onto the array and 
throwing them out. instead, i keep multiple external hard drives backing up 
the array. burning multiple CDs and DVDs is cheaper, but much more hassle to 
organize physically. i have only about 200G of CDs and DVDs though, so that 
makes it easier.

Herb...
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Cassino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: MX OUtlook Express Question


Good question on underlying problems. I've been burning a bunch of DVD's 
these last few days and last night I left the system on while ThumbsPlus 
cataloged a new DVD. When I got up this morning the system was off and 
would not turn on. I unplugged it, plugged it back in, and it started. I 
assumed it had over heated (the motherboard is designed to shut down if 
there is an overheat problem) and the usual cause of overheating is dust 
clogging the heat sink. So once it was up and running and seemed OK, I 
shut down again and used some canned air to blow out the heatsink.

Re: OT: Newfie History 101-was: Take the Knarf Quiz !!

[Keith Whaley]

frank theriault wrote:
On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 11:30:50 -0500, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:01:51 -0500, frank theriault

Kinda like the geese, eh?

Yes, but even Newfies don't crap all over our parks and sidewalks.
-frank
Listen, Frank... SOMEone's throwing their chewing gum all over the 
sidewalks up there, now who IS it?

keith whaley

Re: PESO Water on fire

[Graywolf]

A ketch rigged junk
graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
"Idiot Proof" <==> "Expert Proof"
---
Francis wrote:
Another boat pic
I was trying halfheartedly to frame the sunset when this friend of ours 
sailed onto the scene.
 From that point on I was franticly running up and down the beach 
snapping away. :)
http://www.photosynth.ca/photo/f/water-on-fire.html
P3n K200mm 1:2.5 hand held. No color enhancement.
All comments and critiques appreciated

Francis


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