Re: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.

2006-04-19 Thread Gautam Sarup
On 4/11/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It is a psychological thing. Anybody who knows a good shrink ;-)


 Tim
 Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)

On the dumb side but better than nothing:

http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3

Cheers,
Gautam



Re: photography from an airplane and unsharp mask

2006-04-19 Thread John Coyle

Igor, others may have better suggestions, but in my experience you should:

Make sure that all your glass is as clean as possible.
Remove any filters, unless you're using BW.  It has been suggested that 
using a haze filter will help, but I am not sure I agree.

Make sure the cabin window is clean and not misted up at all.
Don't rest the camera on your hand against the window - this just transmits 
vibrations from the airframe.

If you're shooting JPG, maybe set the contrast higher than normal.
Bracket - the light at altitude can be very deceptive, and your subject may 
be in much less contrasty light than it looks from the air.


HTH

Can't help you on the USM state of your image - it looks close to being 
over-sharpened to my eye, but I have only looked at the JPG version.


John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message - 
From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:32 AM
Subject: photography from an airplane and unsharp mask




Hello!

I have two questions that are somewhat related to each other.

1. Photography from a commercial airplane.
What suggestions do you have for taking pictures from a
commercial airplane?
How to make them sharper and overcome some type of cast
that is often seen in the day-time images of this kind (not clouds
yet, but enough to decrease he overall contrast)?
How to avoid the flat look of the images (e.g. when taking
photos of the mountains below)?

I remember somebody's advise that one shouldn't use polarizers
while shooting through airplane windows, but don't remember why.
Can someone clarify this?

2. When do you use sharp/unsharp filters in the PS or
other software? (any hints on how to judge a reasonable level?)

As an example, here is my photo of San Diego downtown taken from the 
plane.

It is not a photo for presentation, just something that I am
practicing on, and I am not happy with it.
I wonder what else can be done to improve it.

original photo:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/SanDiego/IMGP2417-2sm.jpg
and the one after unsharpen mask applied in PS:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/SanDiego/IMGP2417-2sharpsm.jpg

In your opinion, is this image oversharpened?

The full size JPEGS are ~2MB each are in this location:
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/SanDiego/

Thank you,

Igor





Re: photography from an airplane and unsharp mask

2006-04-19 Thread Cotty
On 18/4/06, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed:

1. Photography from a commercial airplane.
What suggestions do you have for taking pictures from a
commercial airplane?
How to make them sharper and overcome some type of cast
that is often seen in the day-time images of this kind (not clouds
yet, but enough to decrease he overall contrast)?
How to avoid the flat look of the images (e.g. when taking
photos of the mountains below)?

Open the window.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread Cotty
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/
in_pictures_chernobyl0s_lost_city/html/1.stm

http://tinyurl.com/rm6du




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: photography from an airplane and unsharp mask

2006-04-19 Thread Lucas Rijnders

Op Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:03:01 +0200 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On 18/4/06, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed:


1. Photography from a commercial airplane.
What suggestions do you have for taking pictures from a
commercial airplane?



Open the window.


I always request a seat next to the emergency exit :o)

--
Regards, Lucas



Re: long lens for birds?

2006-04-19 Thread David Mann

On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:18 AM, David Savage wrote:


FA 100mm f2.8 Macro isn't too shabby:

http://www.arach.net.au/~savage/GESO/GESO_001/pages/IMGP2152_2.html

Of course you need friendly birds :-)


Not necessarily, but you'd better be prepared to crop.  A lot.   
Here's a small section of a slide I just happened to be working on  
this evening...


http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/swans.html

That's Velvia grain you can see ;)  The image is a bit soft because  
the 15mm isn't very sharp wide-open, and I was pushing my luck with  
the exposure (1/15th handheld with MLU, I think).  Oh and it was  
misty, which is why I was out shooting in the first place.


Perhaps a slightly better example is this friendly duck I shot at 24mm.
http://pug.komkon.org/01sep/Closeup.html

- Dave (hoping to attempt photographing fantails soon, if they can  
stay still long enough)




Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread keith_w

Cotty wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/
in_pictures_chernobyl0s_lost_city/html/1.stm

http://tinyurl.com/rm6du




Cheers,
  Cotty


Thanks for sharing them.

Très sad!

keith



Re: long lens for birds?

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
The  SMC Pentax- A 400/5.6 can sometimes be had for as little as $300. 
$400 to $450 is a more typical price. There are also M and K versions 
of the Pentax lens (SMC Pentax-M 400/5.6 and SMC Pentax 400/5.6), but 
neither will focus close enough for bird photography without the 
addition of an extension tube. However, I used a K version for quite a 
while with a short extension tube, and it was a workable solution. Both 
the K and M can be had for $300 or slightly less. The A is by far the 
best choice here though, due both to its close focus (2.8 meters), and 
it's ability to take advantage of all of the *istD (S, S2, L) metering 
functions. I'm not up to speed on the Tokina prices or specs.

Paul
On Apr 18, 2006, at 11:13 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote:


The Tokina 400/5.6 in good condition goes for around $150 then?  Is
this MF or AF?

Also, about how much should I expect to pay for an A400/5.6?  And
also, also for either of these lens' are there different versions
that should not be purchased?

Also, also, also. thank you for the plethora of input.

Russell





Re: photography from an airplane and unsharp mask

2006-04-19 Thread Don Williams

Lucas Rijnders wrote:

Op Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:03:01 +0200 schreef Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


On 18/4/06, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed:


1. Photography from a commercial airplane.
What suggestions do you have for taking pictures from a
commercial airplane?



Open the window.


I always request a seat next to the emergency exit :o)

--Regards, Lucas



--No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18.4.2006


I had a go at the big file -- downloaded from your directory. A bit of 
work with 'Levels' makes a world of difference. Even 'Auto-contrast' 
improves the picture. I'm sure you've tried this yourself by now? Its a 
good picture that can be fixed easily. I didn't notice and sharpening 
artifacts.


Don

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www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/
personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/
41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616



Re: long lens for birds?

2006-04-19 Thread David Savage
On 4/19/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Not necessarily, but you'd better be prepared to crop.  A lot.
 Here's a small section of a slide I just happened to be working on
 this evening...

 http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/temp/swans.html

 That's Velvia grain you can see ;)  The image is a bit soft because
 the 15mm isn't very sharp wide-open, and I was pushing my luck with
 the exposure (1/15th handheld with MLU, I think).  Oh and it was
 misty, which is why I was out shooting in the first place.

Good thing you titled it what you did or I would have sworn that it
was the Loch Ness monster :-)

Dave S.



Tokina 400mm teleconverters?

2006-04-19 Thread Robert Soames Wetmore

Hello, list-

I’ve seen some recent discussion on the list about some of the Tokina 400mm 
telephotos but have only caught a few of the messages (I usually follow the 
list via the archive which only seems to archive a small percentage of the 
messages for some reason), so I apologize if this issue has already been 
addressed…


Can anyone recommend suitable teleconverters for the lens?  I have the SD if 
that makes a difference – I recently picked one up used.  I see a number of 
Kenko and Tokina doublers / teleconverters available new and used.  Are 
there any restrictions on which ones would work, or recommendations on which 
might be best?


Thanks,

Rob




RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.

2006-04-19 Thread Tim Øsleby
:-)
Thank you, but no thank you.
After what I've read about Eliza, she is very frustrating.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: Gautam Sarup [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 19. april 2006 08:59
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.
 
 On 4/11/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It is a psychological thing. Anybody who knows a good shrink ;-)
 
 
  Tim
  Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
 On the dumb side but better than nothing:
 
 http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3
 
 Cheers,
 Gautam
 






OT: In about an hour

2006-04-19 Thread collin . x . brenemuehl

  I was officing in Edmond, Oklahoma, about 10 miles from the
  blast.
  The wife was @ home, about 25 miles away.
  It rattled the windows.

  One rescue team wrote this on the side of the Journal-Record
  (business newspaper) building:
  http://www.brendemuehl.net/images/nufsaid.html

  Collin
  KC8TKA



Re: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.

2006-04-19 Thread graywolf
Part of the reason it seems so life like is that many therapists are 
trained to parrot things back just like Eliza does. Both are kind of stupid.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---


Gautam Sarup wrote:

On 4/11/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

It is a psychological thing. Anybody who knows a good shrink ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)


On the dumb side but better than nothing:

http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3

Cheers,
Gautam






Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Dario Bonazza

Me neither.
Dario

- Original Message - 
From: Thibouille [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Pentax info in Japanese



Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.

On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato, since I
strongly suspected that :-)

Dario

- Original Message -
From: Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 7:08 PM
Subject: RE: Pentax info in Japanese


 Thanks for clearing that up, Dario.

 --
 Cheers,
 Bob






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Re: long lens for birds?

2006-04-19 Thread Dave Brooks
I bought last fall from a list member, the K 400 f5.6. It was in rough 
condition, but the glass etc is good.Manual Focus. However if i can find an A 
or AF i might part with it.

My only tests with it are a few shots of a broken down dock at a pond edge, 
using the istD and some Iflord BW HP5 film. It looks ok from the digital end, 
but not to sure about film. Not as sharp and flat, BUT it could have been the 
film or my proccessing of it. I don't seem to do a good job on HP5 as its 
always grey looking.I gave up on my wet print of the subject.

I have tried my Sigma 300 f4 with 1.4 tele, and that was semi successful(shot a 
hawk from the car)
I have not tried my 50-200 or 70-210 for birds yet. I didi try my Sigma 170-500 
Nikon mount for some ducks. Results were ok, but not tack sharp as one would 
suspect. Colours were good.


dave

- Original Message - 
From: Russell Kerstetter 
Subject: Re: long lens for birds? 


 The Tokina 400/5.6 in good condition goes for around $150 then?  Is 
 this MF or AF? 
 
 Also, about how much should I expect to pay for an A400/5.6?  And 
 also, also for either of these lens' are there different versions 
 that should not be purchased? 

Then WW said.

I can't help you on price, that seems really variable, depending on patience 
and luck. 
I seem able to buy something off ebay and then see three auctions in the 
next month end for less than I paid. 

Anyway, I have both an A400/5.6 and a Tokina SD 400/5.6 (it's a manual 
focus, contemporaneous with the A400/5.6). 

The Pentax is definitely the better lens, I recall the Tokina had a bit of 
chromatic abberation, the Pentax is nice, with a very crisp image. 
The CA doesn't seem to show up on film, or at least not as obviously, but 
does show on the digital. 

William Robb 


David J Brooks
Equine, Pets, Bands, Rural Landscape Photography in York Region
www.caughtinmotion.com
Pentax istD, PZ-1, Nikon D1 D2H



Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Will the DS with v2.0 of the firmware support SD cards with a greater than
2GB capacity?  I thought I saw that it does, but I cannot find the link now.


Shel





RE: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.

2006-04-19 Thread Tim Øsleby
I know that. I should, I have lived with a therapist for 15 years ;-)
Not anymore, but that's a different story. 
But there is one important difference between the joke therapist Eliza, and
a real (and good) one. When a good therapist reflects you, it has a purpose.
It's like looking into a mirror. Sometimes you don't like what you see
there, quite annoying, but it gives you insight. 

A _bad_ therapist simply parrots you, a good one on the other hand, tells
you what you actually are seeing in the mirror.

And this reminds me a bit of my reactions own on the advices the list gave
me on composing vs. cropping. The list told me I was too lazy to solve the
real problem. It made me very frustrated, and I yelled at it (the list). But
it _sure was right_, and it was helpful. It gave me the drive I needed to
get closer to the birds ;-)
Now I am grateful for it!

BTW. I'm preparing a sample or two for the web. I'll post them later.


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds 
(Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy)

 -Original Message-
 From: graywolf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 19. april 2006 15:48
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Composing on screen vs. in viewfinder.
 
 Part of the reason it seems so life like is that many therapists are
 trained to parrot things back just like Eliza does. Both are kind of
 stupid.
 
 graywolf
 http://www.graywolfphoto.com
 http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
 Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
 ---
 
 
 Gautam Sarup wrote:
  On 4/11/06, Tim Øsleby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  It is a psychological thing. Anybody who knows a good shrink ;-)
 
 
  Tim
  Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 
  On the dumb side but better than nothing:
 
  http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/eliza.php3
 
  Cheers,
  Gautam
 
 
 






Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Thibouille
On 4/19/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Me neither.
 Dario

OK, I feel a bit better now ;)

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Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread Tim Sherburne


Interesting stuff, to me anyway. I'm attracted to abandon urban 
landscapes in general. I think I'm fascinated by what it took to leave 
something so valuable behind.


This month's issue of National Geographic has a 20 years later on 
Chernobyl and the surrounding region; the spread is shot by Gerd Ludwig. 
Some of his extras are here:


http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0604/feature1/gallery1.html

One collection that I keep returning to is Robert Polidori's Zones of 
Exclusion: Pripyat and Chernobyl, especially the creepy shot of the #4 
reactor control room.


Tim

Cotty wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/
in_pictures_chernobyl0s_lost_city/html/1.stm

http://tinyurl.com/rm6du




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Dario Bonazza
DS firmware v.1.2 allows SD cards greater than 1GB (how much greater is 
unknown).

v.2.0 also includes all v.1.2 features.

Dario

- Original Message - 
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:17 PM
Subject: Supported SD Cards for istDS



Will the DS with v2.0 of the firmware support SD cards with a greater than
2GB capacity?  I thought I saw that it does, but I cannot find the link 
now.



Shel







Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yes, Dario - that much I knew from updating the original to v1.02. 
However, at that time there were no, or very few, SD cards with a capacity
greater than 2GB, hence my question.  I don't want to buy a 4GB card only
to find it doesn't work or work properly.  I was hoping that someone who
actually knew, perhaps having used a large card in the v2.0 DS, would be
able to confirm the maximum size card the camera can use.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Dario Bonazza 

 DS firmware v.1.2 allows SD cards greater than 1GB (how much 
 greater is  unknown). v.2.0 also includes all v.1.2 features.

 Dario

 - Original Message - 
 From: Shel Belinkoff 

  Will the DS with v2.0 of the firmware 
  support SD cards with a greater than
  2GB capacity?  I thought I saw that it 
  does, but I cannot find the link now.




Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Bob Shell




Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato, since I
strongly suspected that :-)

Dario



You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be for  
the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that some part of  
it is, indeed, potato.


Bob (surfer of semantics)



Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

Here is a web site that I found very interesting and without
sensational trends and/or pretentiousness very often present in the 
news publications.
Ghost Town at
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/
or
http://elenafilatova.com

Unfortunately, angelfire is rather slow, and sometimes 
the pictures don't load - so you need to reload the page in the browser
to load them.

Igor




Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I recall seeing some discussion on DPReview.com regarding 4Gbyte  
cards. Some folks have not had any problems with some makes, some  
folks haven't been able to get them to work. File system doesn't seem  
to be the problem as firmware v2.0 implements FAT32 already.  
Evidently, there are controller issues with some cards ... 2G and 4G  
cards were not available when the specs for the DS were designed and  
tested, so it was impossible to test these cameras against the actual  
hardware as opposed to against a specification. There are often  
differences.


Sandisk is releasing new SDHC (SecureDigital High Capacity) card  
models to establish a more standardized format for these very large  
capacities.


As always with emerging technologies, it's best to stay one jump  
behind the bleeding edge for maximum compatibility and best  
performance per dollar. Memory cards are a commodity purchase, it  
makes sense to simply get the best bang for the buck and eschew  
always wanting the latest, biggest, fastest, etc. I've been  
standardized on Sandisk Ultra II 1G SD cards for some time on this  
basis. Now, with the easy availability of 4G cards and the prices  
dropping on the 2G cards to where they were for 1G cards a year ago,  
I've ordered an Ultra II 2G card to test out how well it works in  
cameras and readers. 95 exposures per card on 1G cards seems a  
reasonable storage capacity to me, double that is nice but likely not  
essential to me.


(For the Sony R1, I had to go to 2G cards to get the same 95 shot  
comfortable capacity per card...)


Godfrey


On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


Yes, Dario - that much I knew from updating the original to v1.02.
However, at that time there were no, or very few, SD cards with a  
capacity
greater than 2GB, hence my question.  I don't want to buy a 4GB  
card only
to find it doesn't work or work properly.  I was hoping that  
someone who
actually knew, perhaps having used a large card in the v2.0 DS,  
would be

able to confirm the maximum size card the camera can use.

Shel




[Original Message]
From: Dario Bonazza



DS firmware v.1.2 allows SD cards greater than 1GB (how much
greater is  unknown). v.2.0 also includes all v.1.2 features.

Dario

- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff



Will the DS with v2.0 of the firmware
support SD cards with a greater than
2GB capacity?  I thought I saw that it
does, but I cannot find the link now.







Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote:

 Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
 On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato, since I
 strongly suspected that :-)

You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be for  
the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that some part of  
it is, indeed, potato.

They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to have
appeal.
 



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Fred
 As always with emerging technologies, it's best to stay one jump  
 behind the bleeding edge for maximum compatibility and best  
 performance per dollar.

As always with bleeding edge technologies, it's best to stay one jump
behind the edge for minimum bleeding...

Fred



Re: Tokina 400mm teleconverters?

2006-04-19 Thread jtainter
Replies embedded:

Hello, list-

I’ve seen some recent discussion on the list about some of the Tokina 400mm 
telephotos but have only caught a few of the messages (I usually follow the 
list via the archive which only seems to archive a small percentage of the 
messages for some reason), so I apologize if this issue has already been 
addressed…

***

Yes. I wonder why Mail-Archive does this. 

***

Can anyone recommend suitable teleconverters for the lens? I have the SD if 
that makes a difference – I recently picked one up used. I see a number of 
Kenko and Tokina doublers / teleconverters available new and used. Are there 
any restrictions on which ones would work, or recommendations on which might be 
best? 

Thanks,

Rob

***

The teleconverters offered by Tokina, Tamron, and Kenko are all made by Kenko. 
Stick to 1.4x for better results.

Joe






Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread jtainter
Shel, a 4 GB CF card causes my D to boot up noticeably slowly. For this reason 
my 4 GB Lexar card gets used only when all other cards are full. I don't know 
whether the DS and an SD card will also have this problem.

Joe




Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Actually, I agree with you.  I'm satisfied with the 1GB cards, although I
can see getting a 2GB card for a number of reasons.  I mostly asked about
the 4GB card for a friend who recently bought a DS, but possibly for my own
consideration as well..  My next card purchase will probably be a 2GB card
because, in the price range I want to pay, and considering the brands
available in that price range, the 2GB capacity cards are often faster than
their 1GB counterpart, and will speed downloading and file transfer.  Plus,
I want to see if cards faster than the ones I have will have any effect on
the transfer rates within the camera. Of course, the additional capacity is
nice to have, even though there's only been one time that I've filled a 1GB
card.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

 I recall seeing some discussion on DPReview.com regarding 4Gbyte  
 cards. Some folks have not had any problems with some makes, some  
 folks haven't been able to get them to work. File system doesn't seem  
 to be the problem as firmware v2.0 implements FAT32 already.  
 Evidently, there are controller issues with some cards ... 2G and 4G  
 cards were not available when the specs for the DS were designed and  
 tested, so it was impossible to test these cameras against the actual  
 hardware as opposed to against a specification. There are often  
 differences.

 Sandisk is releasing new SDHC (SecureDigital High Capacity) card  
 models to establish a more standardized format for these very large  
 capacities.

 As always with emerging technologies, it's best to stay one jump  
 behind the bleeding edge for maximum compatibility and best  
 performance per dollar. Memory cards are a commodity purchase, it  
 makes sense to simply get the best bang for the buck and eschew  
 always wanting the latest, biggest, fastest, etc. I've been  
 standardized on Sandisk Ultra II 1G SD cards for some time on this  
 basis. Now, with the easy availability of 4G cards and the prices  
 dropping on the 2G cards to where they were for 1G cards a year ago,  
 I've ordered an Ultra II 2G card to test out how well it works in  
 cameras and readers. 95 exposures per card on 1G cards seems a  
 reasonable storage capacity to me, double that is nice but likely not  
 essential to me.

 (For the Sony R1, I had to go to 2G cards to get the same 95 shot  
 comfortable capacity per card...)

 Godfrey


 On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:26 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  Yes, Dario - that much I knew from updating the original to v1.02.
  However, at that time there were no, or very few, SD cards with a  
  capacity
  greater than 2GB, hence my question.  I don't want to buy a 4GB  
  card only
  to find it doesn't work or work properly.  I was hoping that  
  someone who
  actually knew, perhaps having used a large card in the v2.0 DS,  
  would be
  able to confirm the maximum size card the camera can use.
 
  Shel
 
 
 
  [Original Message]
  From: Dario Bonazza
 
  DS firmware v.1.2 allows SD cards greater than 1GB (how much
  greater is  unknown). v.2.0 also includes all v.1.2 features.
 
  Dario
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Shel Belinkoff
 
  Will the DS with v2.0 of the firmware
  support SD cards with a greater than
  2GB capacity?  I thought I saw that it
  does, but I cannot find the link now.
 
 




Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
The D is quite a sluggard in some respects when compared to the DS and the
DS2.  It's not surprising that it would boot slower.  It would be something
to watch out for, though.  Good point.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: jtainter 

Shel, a 4 GB CF card causes my D to boot up noticeably slowly. 
For this reason my 4 GB Lexar card gets used only when all other 
cards are full. I don't know whether the DS and an SD card will also 
have this problem.




Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread Norman Baugher

Didn't this turn out to be bogus?
Norm

From: Igor Roshchin 


Here is a web site that I found very interesting and without
sensational trends and/or pretentiousness very often present in the 
news publications.

Ghost Town at
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/
or
http://elenafilatova.com





Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread John Francis

Well, sort of.  The backstory about speeding through on a
motorcycle without official permission was discredited.
As such, I'd be inclined to view the whole site with more
than a little suspicion.  But the images are eye-grabbing.

Claiming the site to be free of pretentiousness and/or
sensationalism, though, is rather overstating the cae.


On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 01:19:29PM -0400, Norman Baugher wrote:
 Didn't this turn out to be bogus?
 Norm
 
 From: Igor Roshchin 
 
 Here is a web site that I found very interesting and without
 sensational trends and/or pretentiousness very often present in the 
 news publications.
 Ghost Town at
 http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/
 or
 http://elenafilatova.com
 



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Switching between 512M, 1G  and 2G Sandisk Ultra II SD cards in the  
DS doesn't seem to change the 'power on to ready' time at all that I  
can detect. I don't have a 4G card to try so I can't report on that.


Godfrey


On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

The D is quite a sluggard in some respects when compared to the DS  
and the
DS2.  It's not surprising that it would boot slower.  It would be  
something

to watch out for, though.  Good point.

Shel




[Original Message]
From: jtainter



Shel, a 4 GB CF card causes my D to boot up noticeably slowly.
For this reason my 4 GB Lexar card gets used only when all other
cards are full. I don't know whether the DS and an SD card will also
have this problem.







Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I see so little difference between 60x and 80x cards in the DS that  
it would be hard to imagine anything faster as being of significant  
consequence with regards to write speed. The DS2 and DL/DL2 models  
supposedly write faster and can utilize a 133x card's capabilities,  
but I haven't seen proof of that yet.


Transfer speed to the computer is another matter ... a 133x card will  
net better than the 80x's 5.5-6.5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a good USB 2.0 or  
FireWire reader device. How much better depends on the reader and the  
computer itself, I'm sure. Working with my G5 desktop system vs the  
PowerBook G3 and G4 laptops, the G5 achieves 5-6% faster throughput  
on what are nominally the same speed USB ports, due to the much  
faster drives and IO subsystems.


Godfrey


On Apr 19, 2006, at 10:12 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


... My next card purchase will probably be a 2GB card
because, in the price range I want to pay, and considering the brands
available in that price range, the 2GB capacity cards are often  
faster than
their 1GB counterpart, and will speed downloading and file  
transfer.  Plus,
I want to see if cards faster than the ones I have will have any  
effect on

the transfer rates within the camera. ..





Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread pnstenquist
Yes, the girl on the motorcycle story is fiction. 


 -- Original message --
From: Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Didn't this turn out to be bogus?
 Norm
 
 From: Igor Roshchin 
  
  Here is a web site that I found very interesting and without
  sensational trends and/or pretentiousness very often present in the 
  news publications.
  Ghost Town at
  http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/
  or
  http://elenafilatova.com
 
 



Re: Pentax K100D...

2006-04-19 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Sylwester Pietrzyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 And one more thing -  
 Russian Pentax rep was saying something about USM lenses to be shown
 on Photokina 

From this month's French magazine Réponses Photo...

| Des rumeurs disent aussi que Pentax passerait à la motorisation
| interne de ses objectifs. A confirmer à la Photokina.

My translation: Rumours also say that Pentax will switch to lenses with
built-in motors. To be confirmed at Photokina.

Ralf

-- 
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses



Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Bob Shell


On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:


Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato,  
since I

strongly suspected that :-)


You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be for
the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that some part of
it is, indeed, potato.


They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to have
appeal.




GROAN!

Bob



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds


On Apr 19, 2006, at 1:41 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

The DS2 and DL/DL2 models supposedly write faster and can utilize a 
133x card's capabilities, but I haven't seen proof of that yet.


I have both a cheapie Kingston 1GB SD card and a 133x Kingston 1GB card 
-- the 133x is very obviously faster by a really significant amount in 
the DS2.  Do you have a suggested method of comparison that I can try 
out?


-Aaron



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
http://www.hdtune.com/
or
http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Aaron Reynolds 

 I have both a cheapie Kingston 1GB SD card and a 133x Kingston 1GB card 
 -- the 133x is very obviously faster by a really significant amount in 
 the DS2.  Do you have a suggested method of comparison that I can try 
 out?




RE: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Bob W
 -Original Message-
 From: Bob Shell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 19 April 2006 16:39
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Pentax info in Japanese
 
 
 
  Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
  On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not 
 potato, since I 
  strongly suspected that :-)
 
  Dario
 
 
 You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should 
 be for the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply 
 that some part of it is, indeed, potato.
 
 Bob (surfer of semantics)
 

Not quite. It implies that some part of it *could* be potato. They're not
actually committing themselves to the potatohood of the camera.

If any part of it is potato, my guess is that it's the chip.

Bob (turfer of semantics)





Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Cory Papenfuss
As always with emerging technologies, it's best to stay one jump behind the 
bleeding edge for maximum compatibility and best performance per dollar. 
Memory cards are a commodity purchase, it makes sense to simply get the best 
bang for the buck and eschew always wanting the latest, biggest, fastest, 
etc.


	As I like to call in, the cutting edge of yesterday's 
technology.  Just FYI, I bought a 2GB 133x SD card (Corsair) for $70-$20 
rebate three weeks ago.  It appears to work fine in my -DS with 2.0 FW. 
Impulse buy, but it'll be good to have a bit more space before having to 
dump to a computer.


-Cory

 --

*
* Cory Papenfuss, Ph.D., PPSEL-IA   *
* Electrical Engineering*
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University   *
*



Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Big potato or (being Pentax) small potato?

There's a popular saying here that goes like: The most stupid peasants
have the biggest potatoes.

So, small potatoes, rather. We know who the stupid peasants are. ;-)

Ralf

-- 
Ralf R. Radermacher  -  DL9KCG  -  Köln/Cologne, Germany
private homepage: http://www.fotoralf.de
manual cameras and photo galleries - updated Jan. 10, 2005
Contarex - Kiev 60 - Horizon 202 - P6 mount lenses



Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Apr 19, 2006 at 02:03:14PM -0400, Bob Shell wrote:
 
 On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:
 
 Bob Shell wrote:
 
 Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
 On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato,  
 since I
 strongly suspected that :-)
 
 You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be for
 the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that some part of
 it is, indeed, potato.
 
 They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to have
 appeal.
 
 
 
 GROAN!
 
 Bob

So this list could switch from Pentax bashing to spud bashing?



High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems awfully high
to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?


Shel





Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds
Unfortunately, both of those would require a PC and a USB 2.0 port -- I know 
for a fact that my card-to-computer data rate is far slower than the 
camera-to-card rate.'

I guess I could record the shutter sound and measure the fps once the buffer is 
filled -- to time how fast the buffer empties.

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj:  Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS
Date:  Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:34 pm
Size:  373 bytes
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
cc:  Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://www.hdtune.com/
or
http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Aaron Reynolds 

 I have both a cheapie Kingston 1GB SD card and a 133x Kingston 1GB card 
 -- the 133x is very obviously faster by a really significant amount in 
 the DS2.  Do you have a suggested method of comparison that I can try 
 out?




Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds
I'm paying $26 CDN/month for DSL.  $60 US seems nuts.

-Aaron

-Original Message-

From:  Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj:  High Speed Internet Access
Date:  Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:35 pm
Size:  139 bytes
To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net

I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems awfully high
to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?


Shel





Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread brooksdj
I pay $34 Can/Month, thats with taxes. One time fee of $130 to buy their modem.
Its only phone DSL but its really fast.

Your quote sounds high.

Dave   

 I'm paying $26 CDN/month for DSL.  $60 US 
seems nuts.
 
 -Aaron
 
 -Original Message-
 
 From:  Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subj:  High Speed Internet Access
 Date:  Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:35 pm
 Size:  139 bytes
 To:  pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 
 I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems awfully high
 to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?
 
 
 Shel
 
 
 






Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread collin . x . brenemuehl

  For SBC/Yahoo DSL I'm paying $14.99/month.
  Speed is adequate, except for my sons who like to download
  Simpsons episodes.

  In rural western Oklahoma the phone co. wants to charge $50 or so
  per month for DSL.  And only 768K at that.

  Friends with cable modems are paying $45/month for cable and
  another $40 or so per month for online access.

  But when I was @ Honda RD, one  of the guys who spent time in
  Japan said that they get, iirc, 10 megabit DSL for $10 per month.

  So, $60 for a cable modem is par.  But it's high for DSL.
  Have you checked into a dialup with compressor/accelerator?

  Collin



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread collin . x . brenemuehl

  Cory,

  Where @ that price?

  Collin



Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Charles Robinson

On Apr 19, 2006, at 14:35, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems  
awfully high

to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?



DSL in Minneapolis:  I'm paying about $24/month for the DSL signal  
(from QWEST) and would pay an additional $18/month for the ISP fees,  
if I weren't in fact an employee of that ISP.


So - $42/month for 1.5 megs down, 900k up.

 -Charles

--
Charles Robinson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Minneapolis, MN
http://charles.robinsontwins.org



OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread jtainter
It is mesmerizing, and you will find that you cannot get any work done.

http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm

I do have to wonder what kind of mind comes up with something like this.

Joe




RE: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Of course, with a subject line like you've used, and the comments in your
message, it will be hard for most people not to evoke some curiosity and
visit the site.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Date: 4/19/2006 1:27:50 PM
 Subject: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

 It is mesmerizing, and you will find that you cannot get any work done.

 http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm

 I do have to wonder what kind of mind comes up with something like this.

 Joe





Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Sorenson
About $43 - Earthlink ISP through Time-Warner cable.  $60 seems kind of 
high unless it includes lots of useful bells and whistles.  SBC is 
offering DSL for $30 for the first year - don't know what it bumps up to 
after that, but I doubt much higher than $40.


-P

Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems awfully high
to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?


Shel









Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread mike wilson
She's got another, interesting website about excavating the WWII 
defences around Kiev.


http://www.theserpentswall.com/

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, the girl on the motorcycle story is fiction. 



 -- Original message --
From: Norman Baugher [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Didn't this turn out to be bogus?
Norm

From: Igor Roshchin 




Here is a web site that I found very interesting and without
sensational trends and/or pretentiousness very often present in the 
news publications.

Ghost Town at
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/
or
http://elenafilatova.com











Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread mike wilson

Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:



Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato, since I
strongly suspected that :-)


You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be for  
the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that some part of  
it is, indeed, potato.



They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to have
appeal.
 


You're in for a roasting now.



Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Bob Shell


On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote:

About $43 - Earthlink ISP through Time-Warner cable.  $60 seems  
kind of high unless it includes lots of useful bells and whistles.   
SBC is offering DSL for $30 for the first year - don't know what it  
bumps up to after that, but I doubt much higher than $40.


About $ 30 as part of a Charter cable TV package.  Hasn't gone up in  
five years.


Bob



Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Bob Shell


On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:

Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato,  
since I

strongly suspected that :-)


You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be  
for  the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that  
some part of  it is, indeed, potato.

They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to have
appeal.



You're in for a roasting now.


Should I chip in again?

Bob



Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread mike wilson

Shel Belinkoff wrote:


I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems awfully high
to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?


Shel



£17.99 for 2Mb speed, 1Gb download limit per month.  After that, it 
reverts to 1Mb/unlimited.


My brother in law has just had his access throttled by the supplier.  He 
was paying for unlimited use and they told him he was using it too 
much...




Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Mark Roberts
Bob Shell wrote:

On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, mike wilson wrote:

 Mark Roberts wrote:

 Bob Shell wrote:
 Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
 On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato,  
 since I
 strongly suspected that :-)

 You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be  
 for  the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that  
 some part of  it is, indeed, potato.
 They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to have
 appeal.


 You're in for a roasting now.

Should I chip in again?

Eye!



Manual focus out of focus

2006-04-19 Thread Toine
I have noticed that many of my istD shots in manual focus are slightly
out of focus. The area in focus is always in the background of the
spot I focused on.
Now I'm wondering if I need to blame my eyes, the +/- slider of the
eyepiece, the mounting of the focusing screen, maybe the ccd
alignment???

Toine



RE: photography from an airplane and unsharp mask

2006-04-19 Thread Manuel Magalhães
There you are again, :-)))

Saúde,
Manuel 

-Mensagem original-
De: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Enviada: quarta-feira, 19 de Abril de 2006 8:03
Para: pentax list
Assunto: Re: photography from an airplane and unsharp mask

On 18/4/06, Igor Roshchin, discombobulated, unleashed:

1. Photography from a commercial airplane.
What suggestions do you have for taking pictures from a commercial 
airplane?
How to make them sharper and overcome some type of cast that is often 
seen in the day-time images of this kind (not clouds yet, but enough to 
decrease he overall contrast)?
How to avoid the flat look of the images (e.g. when taking photos of 
the mountains below)?

Open the window.




Cheers,
  Cotty


___/\__
||   (O)   | People, Places, Pastiche
||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com
_







Re: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread Vic Mortelmans
Indeed not, if you happen to run your browser as a remote X-windows 
client! It was very close to hang my pc.


If this isn't art, some people do have too much free time.

Groeten,

Vic

PS. luckily there's no download version for screensaver or even desktop 
background



jtainter wrote:

and you will find that you cannot get any work done.





Re: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread Tom C


Vic

PS. luckily there's no download version for screensaver or even desktop 
background




You CAN right click to download the .gif and save it as a tiled 
background... :-P


Tom C.




Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Bob Shell


On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:40 PM, mike wilson wrote:

My brother in law has just had his access throttled by the  
supplier.  He was paying for unlimited use and they told him he was  
using it too much...


I wonder how they define unlimited.

Bob



Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread Bob Shell


On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:


On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:

Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato,
since I
strongly suspected that :-)


You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be
for  the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that
some part of  it is, indeed, potato.
They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to  
have

appeal.



You're in for a roasting now.


Should I chip in again?


Eye!



This is bad.










This is really bad.







This is almost too bad to post here..








Idaho.  What the pimp's girlfriend said.





Re: Manual focus out of focus

2006-04-19 Thread Gonz
probably focusing screen.  this is not uncommon with the D.  for wide 
open shots, AF is often much more accurate for me, my D backfocuses also 
in manual focus.  i need to get it aligned.


rg



Toine wrote:

I have noticed that many of my istD shots in manual focus are slightly
out of focus. The area in focus is always in the background of the
spot I focused on.
Now I'm wondering if I need to blame my eyes, the +/- slider of the
eyepiece, the mounting of the focusing screen, maybe the ccd
alignment???

Toine





RE: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread jtainter
Of course, with a subject line like you've used, and the comments in your
message, it will be hard for most people not to evoke some curiosity and
visit the site.

Shel

*

Darn, but you're a smart guy, Shel.

Joe

 [Original Message]
 From: jtainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Date: 4/19/2006 1:27:50 PM
 Subject: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

 It is mesmerizing, and you will find that you cannot get any work done.

 http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm

 I do have to wonder what kind of mind comes up with something like this.

 Joe





Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread graywolf
Charter Cable 3000kbs highspeed internet $49.95 + basic cable and taxes 
equal about $64/month. That gives me downloads in the 400KBS+ range* (if 
the server has the bandwidth to feed it to me that fast. Standard 
1000kbs highspeed internet (usually gave me downloads in the 100-125KBS 
range) from them is $10 cheaper. But I live in the boonies and the 
county is the local cable franchisee and there is no competition except 
DSL. Right now I am on a 6 month promotional thingy and the package is 
discounted to about $39/mo. So your prices seem a bit high but not 
outrageously so.


*Yes, I know those numbers do not match. 3000kbs is about 300KBS but 
Firefox reported a download speed of 425KBS from ibm.com this morning 
and I have seen as high as 477 sustained. I can not complain about the 
performance of the local cable company, and their reliability is getting 
better.


graywolf
http://www.graywolfphoto.com
http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
Idiot Proof == Expert Proof
---


Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems awfully high
to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?


Shel








Re: Manual focus out of focus

2006-04-19 Thread Jack Davis
Toine,
You might try both front and back focusing. 
1) Start the MF beyond a given point and move 'back' to the point.

2) Start the MF short of a given point and move 'up' to the point.

This may sort out the eye question.

Do you have and are you using, an in-focus indicator light in the
viewfinder?
 

Jack

--- Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I have noticed that many of my istD shots in manual focus are
 slightly
 out of focus. The area in focus is always in the background of the
 spot I focused on.
 Now I'm wondering if I need to blame my eyes, the +/- slider of the
 eyepiece, the mounting of the focusing screen, maybe the ccd
 alignment???
 
 Toine
 
 


__
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Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
http://mail.yahoo.com 



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi


On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote:

The DS2 and DL/DL2 models supposedly write faster and can utilize  
a 133x card's capabilities, but I haven't seen proof of that yet.


I have both a cheapie Kingston 1GB SD card and a 133x Kingston 1GB  
card -- the 133x is very obviously faster by a really significant  
amount in the DS2.  Do you have a suggested method of comparison  
that I can try out?


You can get a sense of relative speeds by setting the camera to  
Manual exposure, choosing 1/1000 second or so, and timing several  
runs from the start of a burst of five exposures to when the busy  
light goes out. Without further instrumenting the camera, that's good  
enough for me.


I did timings like that on the DS a long time ago now, with 32x, 45x,  
60x and 80x cards. The improvement from 32x to 60x is appreciable,  
from 60x to 80x virtually insignificant. I'd say from those tests  
that a 66x card would likely be right about the limit for the DS.


Different brands and models of card will perform with some variations  
as well. The Sandisk Ultra II generally compare well, but I haven't  
tested them against the Kingston. I tested them against the ATP, PQI  
and Transcend cards I have.


Godfrey



RE: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread Don Sanderson
Thanks Joe, Rube Goldberg is my idol! ;-)

Don

 -Original Message-
 From: jtainter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:26 PM
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site
 
 
 It is mesmerizing, and you will find that you cannot get any work done.
 
 http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm
 
 I do have to wonder what kind of mind comes up with something like this.
 
 Joe
 
 



RE: Manual focus out of focus

2006-04-19 Thread Don Sanderson
I have the same problem, I haven't been able to part with
it long enough to get it serviced.

Don

 -Original Message-
 From: Gonz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 4:10 PM
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: Manual focus out of focus
 
 
 probably focusing screen.  this is not uncommon with the D.  for wide 
 open shots, AF is often much more accurate for me, my D backfocuses also 
 in manual focus.  i need to get it aligned.
 
 rg
 
 
 
 Toine wrote:
  I have noticed that many of my istD shots in manual focus are slightly
  out of focus. The area in focus is always in the background of the
  spot I focused on.
  Now I'm wondering if I need to blame my eyes, the +/- slider of the
  eyepiece, the mounting of the focusing screen, maybe the ccd
  alignment???
  
  Toine
  
 



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Those are Windows utilities, Shel, and say nothing about in-camera  
write speed.


On Mac OS X, you can check IO throughput from card to computer by  
running the Activity Monitor application and looking at disk  
activity. Fill a card to test and then do a copy with the Finder from  
card to hard drive.  Activity Monitor will tell you precisely the  
read and write rates, with about a 1 second sample time. I usually  
want to test with a card that's at least half full so as to give  
sufficient sample time.


Godfrey


On Apr 19, 2006, at 11:33 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:


http://www.hdtune.com/
or
http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach

Shel




[Original Message]
From: Aaron Reynolds


I have both a cheapie Kingston 1GB SD card and a 133x Kingston 1GB  
card
-- the 133x is very obviously faster by a really significant  
amount in 
the DS2.  Do you have a suggested method of comparison that I can try

out?







Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi

$60/month sounds high, but might be because of your rural location.

When I first went to DSL service in 2000, it was $59/month at  
384/128Kbps in Cupertino, unmetered. Nowadays, DSL service through  
SBC/Yahoo.com in Sunnyvale costs me $29.95/month with 1500/768Kbps  
performance, unmetered.


Godfrey

On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:35 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems  
awfully high

to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?


Shel







Re: long lens for birds?

2006-04-19 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Don Williams

Subject: Re: long lens for birds?


That's strange. You would expect the opposite considering the sensor is 
so much smaller than the film frame.


Digital sensors seem somewhat less forgiving than film in this regard.

William Robb



Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread Igor Roshchin
Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:48:36 -0700
pnstenquist wrote:

 Yes, the girl on the motorcycle story is fiction. 

Is it? 
Sorry, I was not aware. I 've known this page for couple years,
and haven't heard confirmed claims that it was false.
I'll search Google later, when I get time, but if you have
pointers where it is explained, please let me know.

Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:28:51 -0700
John Francis wrote:

 Claiming the site to be free of pretentiousness and/or
 sensationalism, though, is rather overstating the cae.

Well, to me it looks much less sensational than many 
pictures from sources such as CNN/BBC/...
What I mean is that there are no unbelievably shocking images.
Rather, the images are shocking by their simplicity
(except for a few rather freak-looking images in the second part of 
the story, Land of the Wolves).
On a second thought, - I see how one could have put all these
images together with exactly this intent in mind.


Igor



Re: Pentax info in Japanese

2006-04-19 Thread mike wilson

Bob Shell wrote:



On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:49 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:


On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:35 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Mark Roberts wrote:


Bob Shell wrote:


Honestly I didn't understand what you (or babelfish?) meant.
On 4/17/06, Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I'm especially intrigued by that largely it is not potato,
since I
strongly suspected that :-)



You know, saying largely it is not potato probably should be
for  the most part, it is not potato.  That would imply that
some part of  it is, indeed, potato.


They're probably saying this because they expect this camera to  have
appeal.



You're in for a roasting now.



Should I chip in again?



Eye!



This is bad.










This is really bad.




Don't go all starchy on us.







This is almost too bad to post here..








Idaho.  What the pimp's girlfriend said.



Now we're getting to the root of things.



Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
No, it's because the company has a monopoly in the area.  They provide the
only cable service for miles around, and in order to get HSI, I need a
cable.

Yes, my location is somewhat rural, but it's not that far off the beaten
path.  Casa Belinkoff is less than a mile from a main drag, less as the
crow flies.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

 $60/month sounds high, but might be because of your rural location.




Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

2006-04-19 Thread Igor Roshchin

I just looked at some pictures there again,
and was suprised, that the same objects (kids' beds, gas masks in the 
kindergarden/day care, fair-wheel, etc.) and parts of the area
(although not the same photos) appear on that website (photos and the
movie) and the other two websites posted in this thread in the beginning.

I don't know what to make out of it.

Also, the website in question doesn't make any claims that all photos
used  on it are shot by the author (I think on opposite, - some
- e.g. the photos from the reactor, - were made via some type of 
a remotely operated robot). Did I miss something?

Igor


 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Apr 19 18:11:13 2006
 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:11:13 -0400 (EDT)
 From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net
 Subject: Re: OT - Haunting Chernobyl Gallery (BBC news)

 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:48:36 -0700
 pnstenquist wrote:

  Yes, the girl on the motorcycle story is fiction. 

 Is it? 
 Sorry, I was not aware. I 've known this page for couple years,
 and haven't heard confirmed claims that it was false.
 I'll search Google later, when I get time, but if you have
 pointers where it is explained, please let me know.

 Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:28:51 -0700
 John Francis wrote:

  Claiming the site to be free of pretentiousness and/or
  sensationalism, though, is rather overstating the cae.

 Well, to me it looks much less sensational than many 
 pictures from sources such as CNN/BBC/...
 What I mean is that there are no unbelievably shocking images.
 Rather, the images are shocking by their simplicity
 (except for a few rather freak-looking images in the second part of 
 the story, Land of the Wolves).
 On a second thought, - I see how one could have put all these
 images together with exactly this intent in mind.


 Igor




Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv cable.  
But it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL I can get here.

Paul
On Apr 19, 2006, at 6:18 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

No, it's because the company has a monopoly in the area.  They provide 
the

only cable service for miles around, and in order to get HSI, I need a
cable.

Yes, my location is somewhat rural, but it's not that far off the 
beaten

path.  Casa Belinkoff is less than a mile from a main drag, less as the
crow flies.

Shel




[Original Message]
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi



$60/month sounds high, but might be because of your rural location.







Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Cotty
On 19/4/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed:

I've been quoted a price of $60/mo for HS access.  That seems awfully high
to me.  How does that compare with what you're paying?

Here in the UK, I pay £20 a month for 1 Gb download, 512kb upload speed.
Very reliable, no problems. Hardware supplied. British Telecom.




Cheers,
  Cotty


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Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Who's the carrier? For whatever reason, $60 sounds a bit high but not  
outrageously so.


Godfrey

On Apr 19, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

No, it's because the company has a monopoly in the area.  They  
provide the

only cable service for miles around, and in order to get HSI, I need a
cable.

Yes, my location is somewhat rural, but it's not that far off the  
beaten
path.  Casa Belinkoff is less than a mile from a main drag, less as  
the

crow flies.

Shel




[Original Message]
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi



$60/month sounds high, but might be because of your rural location.







Re: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks Joe. I have long tried to find a way to describe what my 
workplace is like; this captures it nicely.


Stan
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Copyright of the article, the photograph and the diagram etc. is the 
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reprinting becomes the Copyright Act violation. When it is necessary, 
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On Apr 19, 2006, at 3:26 PM, jtainter wrote:


It is mesmerizing, and you will find that you cannot get any work done.

http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm

I do have to wonder what kind of mind comes up with something like 
this.


Joe






Re: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site

2006-04-19 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Stan Halpin

Subject: Re: OT: Stay Away From This Web Site




--
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publishing, under present conditions there is a possibility of 
differing.
What replies individually concerning the contents of the article, is 
unable to do.
Copyright of the article, the photograph and the diagram etc. is the 
property of the literary work person. No permission diversion 
reprinting becomes the Copyright Act violation. When it is necessary, 
link Hari in this page itself. In connection with business in case of 
utilization other way please inquire.


Say what?

William Robb



Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Of I added cable tv the price would be about $30.00 higher.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Paul Stenquist 

 I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv cable.  
 But it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL I can get here.




Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Comcast ... I think it's outrageously high - certainly based on what others
have said they are paying.  Plus I get less web space than I have now as
well as fewer email addresses.  Right now I've got 170mb of free web space
and eight email addresses.  I can get a whopping 25mb of space with Comcast.

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

 Who's the carrier? For whatever reason, $60 sounds 
 a bit high but not outrageously so.




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Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Yeah, I realized that after the message was posted.  But, isn't write speed
in the computer be similar to write speed in the camera?

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Godfrey DiGiorgi 

 Those are Windows utilities, Shel, and say nothing about in-camera  
 write speed.



 Shel Belinkoff wrote:

  http://www.hdtune.com/
  or
  http://www.simplisoftware.com/Public/index.php?request=HdTach




Re: unsubscribe

2006-04-19 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Fiona Howarth 
Subject: unsubscribe





Har.
Like as if that's gonna happen.

William Robb



Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds

On Apr 19, 2006, at 5:43 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

You can get a sense of relative speeds by setting the camera to Manual 
exposure, choosing 1/1000 second or so, and timing several runs from 
the start of a burst of five exposures to when the busy light goes 
out. Without further instrumenting the camera, that's good enough for 
me.


OK, I did this.

Pentax DS2, manual exposure 1/1000 f2.8, lens cap on.

JPEG mode --

cheapest 1GB SD card available from Kingston in December (it's for my 
Palm): 8 seconds

133x 1GB Kingston SD card: slightly over four seconds

RAW mode --

cheap 1GB card: 29 seconds
133x 1GB card: 15 seconds

Anyone else want to play?  I'm curious as to how slow the cheap card is.

-Aaron



Re: unsubscribe

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds


On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Fiona Howarth wrote:



Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special 
stationery, fonts and colors.


OH NOOO

Just had a five year old flashback of an e-mail that had balloons and 
streamers and said HTML is fun WO in giant multi-coloured 
letters.  Shel, did you send it?


-Aaron



Re: unsubscribe

2006-04-19 Thread Shel Belinkoff
You gotta be kidding.. I don't even accept HTML mail without first checking
on who it's from.  A friend sent some crap like that and I expressed my,
um, displeasure. I hate HTML mail with a passion.  99% of the time there's
no need for it.

Why would you even ask me such a question?!

Shel



 [Original Message]
 From: Aaron Reynolds

  Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. 
  Use special stationery, fonts and colors.

 OH NOOO

 Just had a five year old flashback of an e-mail that had balloons and 
 streamers and said HTML is fun WO in giant multi-coloured 
 letters.  Shel, did you send it?

 -Aaron




Re: unsubscribe

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds


On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:44 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

You gotta be kidding.. I don't even accept HTML mail without first 
checking
on who it's from.  A friend sent some crap like that and I expressed 
my,
um, displeasure. I hate HTML mail with a passion.  99% of the time 
there's

no need for it.

Why would you even ask me such a question?!


Yes, I know!  It was during a gigantic argument over whether or not the 
PDML should accept HTML mails, and it was a response to just how 
amazing they are -- a very, very annoying and sarcastic one.


I also believe that it was the end of the argument.  If it wasn't you, 
was it Brewer?


-Aaron



Re: unsubscribe

2006-04-19 Thread William Robb


- Original Message - 
From: Aaron Reynolds 
Subject: Re: unsubscribe






Yes, I know!  It was during a gigantic argument over whether or not the 
PDML should accept HTML mails, and it was a response to just how 
amazing they are -- a very, very annoying and sarcastic one.


I also believe that it was the end of the argument.  If it wasn't you, 
was it Brewer?


I think it was Kirkland Ramsey III
WW



Re: unsubscribe

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Stenquist

When in doubt, blame it on Kirkland.
Paul
On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:57 PM, William Robb wrote:



- Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds Subject: Re: 
unsubscribe




Yes, I know!  It was during a gigantic argument over whether or not 
the PDML should accept HTML mails, and it was a response to just how 
amazing they are -- a very, very annoying and sarcastic one.
I also believe that it was the end of the argument.  If it wasn't 
you, was it Brewer?


I think it was Kirkland Ramsey III
WW





Re: unsubscribe

2006-04-19 Thread Aaron Reynolds


On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:57 PM, Wheatfield Willie wrote:


I think it was Kirkland Ramsey III


Nope -- it was definitely a good guy being a smartass.

-Aaron



Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Paul Stenquist
Comcast does give you good speed --  8Mbps/768kbps  are the current 
numbera. Problems are now few and far between. I'd have to rate the 
service as excellent. They also provide unlimited photo storage. I 
don't use that, but it might be a plus for some.

On Apr 19, 2006, at 8:30 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote:

Comcast ... I think it's outrageously high - certainly based on what 
others
have said they are paying.  Plus I get less web space than I have now 
as
well as fewer email addresses.  Right now I've got 170mb of free web 
space
and eight email addresses.  I can get a whopping 25mb of space with 
Comcast.


Shel




[Original Message]
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi



Who's the carrier? For whatever reason, $60 sounds
a bit high but not outrageously so.







Re: Supported SD Cards for istDS

2006-04-19 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sandisk ultra II 2G:
JPEG  3.5 second
RAW 14 second

result of five runs each, from when I pressed the shutter release to when 
the busy light goes out after 5 exposures. DS body

G



Re: High Speed Internet Access

2006-04-19 Thread Charles Robinson

On Apr 19, 2006, at 17:27, Paul Stenquist wrote:

I pay about $60 for comcast cable modem service and basic tv  
cable.  But it's faster than DSL. A lot faster than the DSL I can  
get here.




True dat.  But cable does have a few downsides for me: 1. No fixed IP  
address 2. Serious restrictions on running servers 3. VERY slow  
upload speeds.  But if all you're gonna do is download, download,  
download, then cable is hard to beat.


 -Charles

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Minneapolis, MN
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