Re: Rollovers: need your help

[Peter Loveday]

Works here in IE (v7), but as with other browsers, the image gets chopped by 
the window bounds.  Also the red border on the thumbnail causes the element 
to change size when you point to it, shifting subsequent entries down. 
Perhaps you could always have the border there, and just make it red rather 
than making it bigger, or whaetver the current version does.

I tend to agree with the too busy thing tho needs some reworking.

- Peter

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> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007
>
> I'd recently changed design of my website, adding image rollovers to
> show large previews when visitor moves mouse over the thumbnails. I hope
> I didn't create a mess for Internet Explorer users. Please take a click
> on above link and tell me if my idea works. It may take few seconds to
> download larger image preview.
>
> Thank you for your help.
>
> Roman.
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Re: Interest in developing a software around photograhy?

[Boris Liberman]

Peter,

P. J. Alling wrote:
> IIRC LISP came first.  I find it's notation annoying at best and 
> impenetrable at worst.
> C and C++ were elegant, until such things a Templates, (with their 
> particularly un-C like syntax), were grafted onto the language. 
> 
> Now ForTran that was man's language.

Lisp is truly beautiful, you have to try to see its beauty. The concept 
of a program that can write itself at run-time and then be evaluated 
(executed) is truly brilliant. Given the time when it was envisioned...

C is cool, but from totally different perspective. C++ is just 
monstrous. I think C++ is actually a Hummer H1 of programming languages. 
You can drive to the super market with it, and you can also go all the 
way off-road. And if you handle it right and give it proper maintenance, 
it will not disappoint you. Lisp on the other hand is like a glider - 
taking you from A to B in a gentle breeze.

Boris

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Re: OT: DNG conversion challenge (was: aliasing/moire)

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Challenge? no.

Here are two quickie conversions, one in Lightroom and the other in  
ACR with a little bit of CS2 work after the fact.

http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lacus/IMGP0076-LR.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/godders/lacus/IMGP0076-ACR.jpg

G

On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:23 PM, David Savage wrote:

> Peter asked, so here are my efforts:
>
> Straight .dng conversion (3008x2008pix ~510kb):
>
> 
>
> Conversion worked in PS (3008x2008pix ~645kb):
>
> 
>
> B&W version (3008x2008pix ~660kb):
>
> 
>
> Full EXIF & XMP data retained in the files.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave
>
> On 1/27/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just FYI the picture is now available for download at
>> http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng


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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Not quite, Paul. The cameras were released in the sequence
D-DS-DL-DS2-DL2

G

On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Yes, you're sequence is correct.
>
>> D, DS, DS2, DL , DL2 or what?


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Re: Interest in developing a software around photograhy?

[Boris Liberman]

Well, you're obviously right.

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
>>> Ok, geeky trivia time ... which came first, LISP or FORTRAN? And no
>>> peeking at google.com... ;-)
>> Godders, every progra-toddler knows that Fortran was the first  
>> symbolic
>> programming language after machine code and assembly. Lisp came in the
>> second ;-).
> 
> LOL ... well, it's not quite that simple. :-)
> 
> FORTRAN (FORmula TRANSlation) was a high level language effort for  
> numerical processing closer to human language for ease of use that  
> started at IBM in 1954 but was first published for commercial use in  
> 1957 ... prior to that, it was lab use only: in development by the  
> authors. By 1960-1961, it had been updated to FORTRAN II.
> 
> LISP (algebraic LISt Processing) in its basic form was developed at  
> Dartmouth in 1956 and remained primarily a research language tool for  
> AI work, although shared and used at several different institutions,  
> until by 1960 a version conforming to Lisp1.5 had become the primary  
> dialect.
> 
> So they were developed at about the same time, although from entirely  
> different motivations. Arguably, LISP was in use outside of its  
> original point of creation prior to FORTRAN being available for  
> anyone other than the authors to use and could be said to have been  
> "first", and just as strong an argument would state that FORTRAN's  
> original concept and design predated LISP by as much as two years.
> 
> Fun stuff. Now to return to our regularly scheduled photo geekery.

For some reason it pops up in my memory (probably totally wrong though) 
that Lambda-calculus was invented circa 1948. But that's not the point. 
The point is though, that no other programming language invented 
thereafter wasn't as heavy as original fortran (I programmed a bit in 
fortran-4, what a cludge) and as elegant and light as lisp.

Boris


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Re: Published...

[Boris Liberman]

Juan,

When Jerusalem Museum will have your personal exhibition, and I am sure 
it will, all I wish is that you give me a ticket as an old PDMLer to 
another old PDMLer ;-).

Mighty well done.

Boris

Juan Buhler wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
> has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
> Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
> but here is a link to their site:
> 
> http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White-Photography--1003BW.html
> 
> Despite any resemblances, that's not me in the cover :)
> 
> 
> Anyway--thought some of you might want to check it out. All pictures
> published were taken with the istD, and it prominently says so next to
> each.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: aliasing/moire

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:55 PM, David Savage wrote:

> Firefox is an excellent web browser.

I'm sure it is, David, and it does exactly the same thing when I drop  
the URL on it on my system.

But it doesn't honor embedded profiles and Safari does. Safari does a  
better job of rendering photographic images. So my system defaults to  
Safari. I have FireFox installed as well, just don't use it much  
since its photographic rendering is second rate.

G

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Re: Comet McNaught - Canon 5D

[Boris Liberman]

Cotty wrote:
> On 26/1/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> Because I never saw a striped sky at night, no matter how much I 
>> squinted...
> 
> I see no stripes!?  Maybe your monitor? Or maybe some of the pixels are
> on the sabbath a day early ;-)
> 

Well, kind sir ;-), now we will have to clear this issue out as two 
gentlemen. You know what you have to do... Board a plane... I'll power 
up the monitor ;-).

May the (light) force be with the strongest of us ;-).

Boris


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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[David Savage]

The K110D & K100D came out at the same time.

Cheers,

Dave

On 1/27/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So would this be the complete Pentax DSLR
> sequence of release :
>
> *istD, DS, DL, DS2, DL2, K100D & k110D, K10D?
>
> ??
>
> Or did the K110D actually come out later than the K100D??
>
> jco

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Adam Maas]

That would be the announce sequence, the K110D didn't actually show up 
in stores until several weeks after the K100D.

-Adam


J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> So would this be the complete Pentax DSLR
> sequence of release :
> 
> *istD, DS, DL, DS2, DL2, K100D & k110D, K10D?
> 
> ??
> 
> Or did the K110D actually come out later than the K100D??
> 
> jco
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Adam Maas
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 10:58 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
> 
> 
> Ergh, DS2 shortly after DL, not shortly after DL2.
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> 
> Adam Maas wrote:
>> Not quite, it's D, DS, DL, DS2, DL2. The DS2 came very shortly  after
>> the DL2 and the DL actually outlasted the DL2 (the DL2 was in a 2 lens
> 
>> kit ony, while the DL was body only and the 18-55 kit)
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>>> Yes, you're sequence is correct.
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:17 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>>
 I'll ask again, maybe nobody noticed.
 What was the sequence of the model release dates?

 D, DS, DS2, DL , DL2 or what?

 jco

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 On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:

>> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
> 
>> and turn on the histogram display.
>>
>   Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time,
 no?

 Yes, it's only possible using the DS and later bodies.

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RE: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[J. C. O'Connell]

So would this be the complete Pentax DSLR
sequence of release :

*istD, DS, DL, DS2, DL2, K100D & k110D, K10D?

??

Or did the K110D actually come out later than the K100D??

jco

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Ergh, DS2 shortly after DL, not shortly after DL2.

-Adam



Adam Maas wrote:
> Not quite, it's D, DS, DL, DS2, DL2. The DS2 came very shortly  after
> the DL2 and the DL actually outlasted the DL2 (the DL2 was in a 2 lens

> kit ony, while the DL was body only and the 18-55 kit)
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Yes, you're sequence is correct.
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:17 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> I'll ask again, maybe nobody noticed.
>>> What was the sequence of the model release dates?
>>>
>>> D, DS, DS2, DL , DL2 or what?
>>>
>>> jco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi
>>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:46 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>>>
> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time

> and turn on the histogram display.
>
Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time,
>>> no?
>>>
>>> Yes, it's only possible using the DS and later bodies.
>>>
>>> G
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Adam Maas]

Ergh, DS2 shortly after DL, not shortly after DL2.

-Adam



Adam Maas wrote:
> Not quite, it's D, DS, DL, DS2, DL2. The DS2 came very shortly  after 
> the DL2 and the DL actually outlasted the DL2 (the DL2 was in a 2 lens 
> kit ony, while the DL was body only and the 18-55 kit)
> 
> -Adam
> 
> 
> Paul Stenquist wrote:
>> Yes, you're sequence is correct.
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:17 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
>>
>>> I'll ask again, maybe nobody noticed.
>>> What was the sequence of the model release dates?
>>>
>>> D, DS, DS2, DL , DL2 or what?
>>>
>>> jco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
>>> Behalf Of
>>> Godfrey DiGiorgi
>>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:46 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>>>
> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
> and turn on the histogram display.
>
Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time,
>>> no?
>>>
>>> Yes, it's only possible using the DS and later bodies.
>>>
>>> G
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Re: Published...

[David J Brooks]

Super to hear Juan

I l\LOVE your work

Dave

On 1/26/07, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
> has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
> Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
> but here is a link to their site:
>
> http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White-Photography--1003BW.html
>
> Despite any resemblances, that's not me in the cover :)
>
>
> Anyway--thought some of you might want to check it out. All pictures
> published were taken with the istD, and it prominently says so next to
> each.
>
> Thanks,
>
> j
>
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Adam Maas]

Not quite, it's D, DS, DL, DS2, DL2. The DS2 came very shortly  after 
the DL2 and the DL actually outlasted the DL2 (the DL2 was in a 2 lens 
kit ony, while the DL was body only and the 18-55 kit)

-Adam


Paul Stenquist wrote:
> Yes, you're sequence is correct.
> 
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:17 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:
> 
>> I'll ask again, maybe nobody noticed.
>> What was the sequence of the model release dates?
>>
>> D, DS, DS2, DL , DL2 or what?
>>
>> jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
>> Behalf Of
>> Godfrey DiGiorgi
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:46 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>>
 - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
 and turn on the histogram display.

>>> Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time,
>> no?
>>
>> Yes, it's only possible using the DS and later bodies.
>>
>> G
>>
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OT: DNG conversion challenge (was: aliasing/moire)

[David Savage]

Peter asked, so here are my efforts:

Straight .dng conversion (3008x2008pix ~510kb):



Conversion worked in PS (3008x2008pix ~645kb):



B&W version (3008x2008pix ~660kb):



Full EXIF & XMP data retained in the files.

Cheers

Dave

On 1/27/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just FYI the picture is now available for download at
> http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng
>
> I'd be happy to see other people's conversions...
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Paul Stenquist]

Yes, you're sequence is correct.

On Jan 26, 2007, at 10:17 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> I'll ask again, maybe nobody noticed.
> What was the sequence of the model release dates?
>
> D, DS, DS2, DL , DL2 or what?
>
> jco
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On  
> Behalf Of
> Godfrey DiGiorgi
> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 9:46 PM
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>
>
>
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>
>>> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
>>> and turn on the histogram display.
>>>
>>  Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time,
> no?
>
> Yes, it's only possible using the DS and later bodies.
>
> G
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RE: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[J. C. O'Connell]

I'll ask again, maybe nobody noticed.
What was the sequence of the model release dates?

D, DS, DS2, DL , DL2 or what?

jco

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On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:

>> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time 
>> and turn on the histogram display.
>>
>   Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time,
no?

Yes, it's only possible using the DS and later bodies.

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HD-SPACE vs NexTo

[Igor Roshchin]

Hello All!

Does anybody have experience with either of: HD Space, NexTO ND2300,
or NexTO ND-2525 ?

I am trying to choose between these two brands.
So, any pro's and con's are appreciated.

Also, one specific questions if someone has one of the NEXTO devices:
with the SD cards used via adapter, - have you seen if the transfer
rate suffers as compared to the nominal 20 MB/s for CF?
Please, let me know with what SD cards have you used it.

Thank you,

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Re: aliasing/moire

[David Savage]

I can either click on the link & the download window pops up, or right
click on it choose"save link as", and choose the destination.

Firefox is an excellent web browser.

Cheers,

Dave

On 1/27/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wrapped the URL into a dummy HTML page in an "" link and
> then told Safari to download the linked file ... there are better
> ways but it works.
>
> The file once downloaded will be IMGP0076.dng.txt. Change the file
> extension to be IMGP0076.dng, then Photoshop will open it into Camera
> Raw.
>
> G
>
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:
>
> > When I go to that URL, I see only code, no download.
> > Paul
> > On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:
> >
> >> Just FYI the picture is now available for download at
> >> http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng
>
> dummy html file - put into plain text file named "dummy.html"
> 
>   "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>
> 
> 
> 
> gooble
> 
> 
> http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng";>
> http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng
> 
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 27/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Different needs beg different uses:
>>
>> - I leave review on for 1 second most of the time, just enough to see
>> if there are any saturation blinkies when I do a quick test shot.
>>
>> - When it becomes distracting photographing people, I turn it off.
>>
>> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
>> and turn on the histogram display.
>
> When auto-review is off pressing the review button keeps the image on
> the screen for as long as it's required, no stuffing about in menus to
> change the MO. I tend to set up my cameras to work a certain way then
> leave it pretty much alone, changing them screws with my
> concentration.

That's why I change configuration depending upon what I'm doing ...  
to stay concentrated on the task at hand. Since the camera has  
multiple configuration options, I use them to do the job the way I  
want for a particular circumstance.

Different ways of working, that's all.

Godfrey

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:

>> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
>> and turn on the histogram display.
>>
>   Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time,
> no?

Yes, it's only possible using the DS and later bodies.

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Re: Hello, Enablement & GESO

[Fernando Terrazzino]

I'm seeing a post in the group forum, i'll try to make it to the next
one. Pints&beers sounds like my kind of group...

On 1/26/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Every month the Toronto group on Flickr gets together for beer somewhere
> in the Downtown area. It's a nice relaxed group, albeit heavy on cameras.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
> > Nope Adam, I'm out of the loop... where are these meetings?
> >
> > On 1/26/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Fernando,
> >>
> >> Just wondering, but were you the K10D owner I was chatting with at the
> >> Toronto flickr meet on Tuesday?
> >>
> >> -Adam
> >>
> >>
> >> Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
> >>> Hi there,
> >>>
> >>> Long time not posting, just want to share my joy: I've become the
> >>> happy owner of a K10D. To celebrate I undusted an old macro lens (that
> >>> now is "image stabilized" hurray!!!) and took some shots. My office
> >>> moved from downtown Toronto to Markham (north of TO) so macro was the
> >>> only way I found to make some slightly insteresting shots : (
> >>>
> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157594501800072/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It was -20C (-4F) so it was probably more fun to shoot than to watch ;o)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Fernando
> >>>
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Re: PAW 2007 - 4 - GDG

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Thanks Tim!

On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote:

> But what's wrong with kippers?

Nada ... I like Manx Kippers a lot. It's a handoff line ... ;-)

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Re: aliasing/moire

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

I wrapped the URL into a dummy HTML page in an "" link and  
then told Safari to download the linked file ... there are better  
ways but it works.

The file once downloaded will be IMGP0076.dng.txt. Change the file  
extension to be IMGP0076.dng, then Photoshop will open it into Camera  
Raw.

G

On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:02 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> When I go to that URL, I see only code, no download.
> Paul
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:
>
>> Just FYI the picture is now available for download at
>> http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng

dummy html file - put into plain text file named "dummy.html"

http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd";>



gooble


http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng";>
http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng





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Re: Hello, Enablement & GESO

[Adam Maas]

Every month the Toronto group on Flickr gets together for beer somewhere 
in the Downtown area. It's a nice relaxed group, albeit heavy on cameras.

-Adam


Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
> Nope Adam, I'm out of the loop... where are these meetings?
> 
> On 1/26/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Fernando,
>>
>> Just wondering, but were you the K10D owner I was chatting with at the
>> Toronto flickr meet on Tuesday?
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>> Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Long time not posting, just want to share my joy: I've become the
>>> happy owner of a K10D. To celebrate I undusted an old macro lens (that
>>> now is "image stabilized" hurray!!!) and took some shots. My office
>>> moved from downtown Toronto to Markham (north of TO) so macro was the
>>> only way I found to make some slightly insteresting shots : (
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157594501800072/
>>>
>>>
>>> It was -20C (-4F) so it was probably more fun to shoot than to watch ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Fernando
>>>
>>
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Re: Published...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Excellent! Congratulations, Juan!

When's the party?

Got to find somewhere to get a copy of that mag.

G

On Jan 26, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Juan Buhler wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
> has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
> Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
> but here is a link to their site:
>
> http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White- 
> Photography--1003BW.html
>
> Despite any resemblances, that's not me in the cover :)
>
>
> Anyway--thought some of you might want to check it out. All pictures
> published were taken with the istD, and it prominently says so next to
> each.


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Re: Hello, Enablement & GESO

[Fernando Terrazzino]

Nope Adam, I'm out of the loop... where are these meetings?

On 1/26/07, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Fernando,
>
> Just wondering, but were you the K10D owner I was chatting with at the
> Toronto flickr meet on Tuesday?
>
> -Adam
>
>
> Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Long time not posting, just want to share my joy: I've become the
> > happy owner of a K10D. To celebrate I undusted an old macro lens (that
> > now is "image stabilized" hurray!!!) and took some shots. My office
> > moved from downtown Toronto to Markham (north of TO) so macro was the
> > only way I found to make some slightly insteresting shots : (
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157594501800072/
> >
> >
> > It was -20C (-4F) so it was probably more fun to shoot than to watch ;o)
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Fernando
> >
>
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Re: Hello, Enablement & GESO

[Adam Maas]

Fernando,

Just wondering, but were you the K10D owner I was chatting with at the 
Toronto flickr meet on Tuesday?

-Adam


Fernando Terrazzino wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Long time not posting, just want to share my joy: I've become the
> happy owner of a K10D. To celebrate I undusted an old macro lens (that
> now is "image stabilized" hurray!!!) and took some shots. My office
> moved from downtown Toronto to Markham (north of TO) so macro was the
> only way I found to make some slightly insteresting shots : (
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157594501800072/
> 
> 
> It was -20C (-4F) so it was probably more fun to shoot than to watch ;o)
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Fernando
> 


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Hello, Enablement & GESO

[Fernando Terrazzino]

Hi there,

Long time not posting, just want to share my joy: I've become the
happy owner of a K10D. To celebrate I undusted an old macro lens (that
now is "image stabilized" hurray!!!) and took some shots. My office
moved from downtown Toronto to Markham (north of TO) so macro was the
only way I found to make some slightly insteresting shots : (

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157594501800072/


It was -20C (-4F) so it was probably more fun to shoot than to watch ;o)



Cheers

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Different needs beg different uses:
>
> - I leave review on for 1 second most of the time, just enough to see
> if there are any saturation blinkies when I do a quick test shot.
>
> - When it becomes distracting photographing people, I turn it off.
>
> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
> and turn on the histogram display.

When auto-review is off pressing the review button keeps the image on
the screen for as long as it's required, no stuffing about in menus to
change the MO. I tend to set up my cameras to work a certain way then
leave it pretty much alone, changing them screws with my
concentration.

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Re: aliasing/moire

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I go to that URL, I see only code, no download.

Firefox and Explorer on my WK2 machine simply ask if I wish to save or
open the link, selecting save lands the intact DNG file on my drive..

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Re: Eneloop batteries on DS or Flash?

[Brian Walters]

Thanks Rob

I think I'll have to look seriously at these.


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia



Quoting Digital Image Studio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> On 27/01/07, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Quick question
> >
> > Do Eneloops require a special charger of can they be charged on a
> standard NiMH charger?
> 
> They are still Ni-HM chemistry so any charger capable of managing
> Ni-HM batteries will do, though to optimize performance you're
> best
> off using a charger that charges each cell independently rather
> than
> in sets of two or four.
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Re: Extreme depth of field technique

[David Savage]

On 1/27/07, Peter McIntosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Digital Image Studio wrote:
> > On 27/01/07, Barry Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I'm fairly confident that this is not a bit of greenscreen magic. But I'm
> >> trying to figure out the method. It probably would cost gadzillions, but
> >> wowif I could achieve that kind of perspective..
> >>
> >
> > AFAIK they use a Panavision/Frazier Lens System:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_lens
> >
> >
> And an Aussie invention at that!  I remember seeing some footage from
> him on a gardening show here some years ago. Quite amazing...

I remember that story from Burke's Backyard too.

Cheers,

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RE: Faded History: May be of interest to the Americans

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Ann
JPG's should get through here but to be on the safe side you should always
compress attachments with the exception of PDF with an archiver like ZIP.
Some Email clients and firewalls block office documents and pictures by
default.
Freeware archive programs can be found at www.filzip.de or
http://www.tugzip.com/ for example. Windows XP has some rudimentary ZIP
support built in but the
freeware does a lot more. Right click on a file or directory in Explorer
let's you add to a ZIP which you can send later as an attachement.

I did not get your private email yet and do not have control over the spam
filter set by my internet service provider to see if it was blocked.
Would you mind sending it again?

greetings
Markus






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Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 1:23 AM
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HI, Markus

I, too, have a few magazines from that era - but I was a young woman
then, in the theatre in NY.

By the way -- I answered you off list about the feathers, sending an
attachment of the original that
I cropped heavily from , a couple of days ago... is it possible it ended
up in a junk mail folder
because I sent and attachment?   I couldn't get the image posted on line
for some technical reasons at the time
so I sent you a fairly low res jpg to get a glimpse of...

let me know if you need to do soemthing to your m ail account to let it
get through.

Best,
ann

Markus Maurer wrote:

>Hi Ann
>I got some magazines from my birth year 1959 and two different bottles of
>(undrinkable Bordeaux) with a crystal glass as well.
>I plan do to a still life with the wine and the glass soon :-)
>Technology steps like going to the moon or robots and fear of Russia have
>been big themes then and I like the advertising for washing and other
>household machines, soap, perfumes and more a lot.  Older art magazines
from
>1970 up are quite easy and cheap to find here, I saw quite a few even older
>newspapers too.
>
>greetings
>Markus
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>ann sanfedele
>Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:06 PM
>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>Subject: Re: Faded History: May be of interest to the Americans
>
>
>It does, and it was a special event in NY, which people are missing the
>point.
>I see every one mentioning it as if it's only value were its age.
>
>1976 was a significant year for me and I was here for the event - a
>spectacular floatilla of old
>and new vessels ( although I dislike the warships in this cover photo,
>there were lots
>of older ones that were prettier.)
>
>Interestingly , June of 1976 I took a two week trip to the Canadian
>Rockies - my first
>such entirely on my own to heal myself mentally after a great loss.
>
>There are probably a lot of very well preserved copies of it floating
>(no pun) around
>but unless someone else really has a strong desire for it for a great
>reason, I'd love it.
>
>I started to write off list, but when I saw some of the responses to it
>decided differently.
>
>ann
>
>
>
>
>William Robb wrote:
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>On 1/26/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
Put it up again in 2076, along with a price.
At my age, 1976 seems a recent year.

Jack




>>Ok, for some reason, when I saw the publishing date was the 200th
>>anniversary of the USA, I thought that the NYT from that day might be
>>special for people of the Amercian community.
>>It'll make a nice log.
>>
>>William Robb
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Cory Papenfuss]

> - When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time
> and turn on the histogram display.
>
Impossible with the -D without manually hitting INFO every time, 
no?

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Cory Papenfuss]

>>  I also recall that the -D does not provide the option of a
>> displaying a histogram after taking a shot.  It's available, but only
>> after poking through a menu or something.
>
> Or something.   Just push the "Info" button.
>
> Personally I turn auto-review off, so it doesn't really matter to me
> whether or not the image that isn't being displayed has a histogram.
> If I'm reviewing images I'm already pushing buttons - one more push
> isn't going to make that much difference.

The -DS (and later, IIRC) allow for a "Display preview as last." 
In other words, hitting INFO during the post-shot preview cycles between 
bare image, image with histogram, or reduced-size image with ALL the specs 
(shutter speed, ISO, etc, etc).  The mid-range display (with histogram 
over full-sized image) is where I find it necessary to ensure proper 
exposure.  Having to hit INFO every time on a -D would be a nontrivial 
drawback for me.

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RE: PAW 2007 - 4 - GDG

[Tim Øsleby]

This I do like. 
Here "wrong" composition seems right. For me the foreground adds context,
depth, and a nice contrast to the scene. Good work.

But what's wrong with kippers? ;-)


Tim
Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian)
 

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Godfrey DiGiorgi
Sent: 26. januar 2007 02:16
To: DUG; PDML List; PAW; SeePhoto Talk
Subject: PAW 2007 - 4 - GDG

A chill, damp morning on the Isle of Man, photographing the ruined  
farm at Montpelier ... This particular view is the only one I'm doing  
as a color photo (and there will be a B&W rendering too).

   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/04.htm

Comments, critique, and a toss of kippers all appreciated.

enjoy
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Re: Published...

[David Savage]

I'll add my congratulations to the chorus.

That's great news.

Cheers,

Dave

On 1/27/07, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
> has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
> Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
> but here is a link to their site:
>
> http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White-Photography--1003BW.html
>
> Despite any resemblances, that's not me in the cover :)
>
>
> Anyway--thought some of you might want to check it out. All pictures
> published were taken with the istD, and it prominently says so next to
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Re: Interest in developing a software around photograhy?

[Eric Featherstone]

On 26/01/07, Scott Loveless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, as much as most hate it, I rather like FORTRAN.  "If you can't do
> it in Fortran, do it in assembly language. If you can't do it in
> assembly language, it isn't worth doing."  Please see:
> http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html
>
> ;)

LOL, that brought a smile to my face, and had a link to The Story of
Mel which I'd come accross before
http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/mel.html

In the much the same vein is this (equally old?) story of UNIX geekery
http://www.ee.ryerson.ca/~elf/hack/recovery.html

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Re: aliasing/moire

[Paul Stenquist]

When I go to that URL, I see only code, no download.
Paul
On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:21 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

> Just FYI the picture is now available for download at
> http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng
>
> I'd be happy to see other people's conversions...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
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Re: Pentax FA28/2.8 AL vs FA35/2 AL lenses: how do they compare?

[Paul Stenquist]

I can't say for sure, but I would guess that they are the same.
Paul
On Jan 26, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Mat Maessen wrote:

> On 1/25/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The K 28/3.5 might be the sharpest and best resolving 28 of them all.
>> Unfortunately, it's as slow as a crippled mule. But I still use mine.
>
> Is that the same optical formula as the Super Takumar/SMC Takumar
> 28/3.5? If so, I should pull mine out and try it.
>
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Re: has anyone here been to Iceland?

[George Sinos]

Amita -

Michael Reichmann took one of his photographic tours to Iceland.  It's
one of the topics on Luminous Landscape Video Journal number 8.



It may be worth buying that single DVD.

GS


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> Nate and I are planning our next trip, to Iceland. We will probably go
> in August. I've been reading and I know there are endless photographic
> opportunities there, but I was wondering if you guys know about
> anything in particular that I shouldn't miss. We are tentatively
> planning to do the southern coast and Lake Myvatn region, though I'm
> not sure if Lake Myvatn will work out.
>
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Different needs beg different uses:

- I leave review on for 1 second most of the time, just enough to see  
if there are any saturation blinkies when I do a quick test shot.

- When it becomes distracting photographing people, I turn it off.

- When I'm working on a tripod, I leave it on for the maximum time  
and turn on the histogram display.

G

On Jan 26, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

> Ditto. After a month or two I switched my D to no review mode. With
> my K10D, I immediately set it up to eliminate the auto-review. It's a
> distraction for sure. Like you, when I want to see what I'm shooting,
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Re: Pentax FA28/2.8 AL vs FA35/2 AL lenses: how do they compare?

[Mat Maessen]

On 1/25/07, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The K 28/3.5 might be the sharpest and best resolving 28 of them all.
> Unfortunately, it's as slow as a crippled mule. But I still use mine.

Is that the same optical formula as the Super Takumar/SMC Takumar
28/3.5? If so, I should pull mine out and try it.

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Re: Extreme depth of field technique

[Jack Davis]

I don't know either. A DOF tool is a shift lens, and is simply
something that came to mind while reading your post.
I'll be following the thread myself.

Jack
--- Barry Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>  
> A general photography question
>  
> I'm a big fan of David Attenborough documentaries. Starting with his
> series,
> The Private Life of Plants, occasionally his film team uses a
> spectacular
> technique which I simply do not understand how they achieve. It is
> like an
> extreme hyperfocal depth of field. In the image foreground is some
> high-magnification object, such as a plant's flower, and in the
> background
> you can see the field the plant is in, ALL IN SHARP FOCUS.
>  
> I was watching an episode of his "Life in the Undergrowth" series
> last night
> and one shot showed some ants---ANTS---scurrying in the foreground,
> tapping
> antennae, and in the background you could see Attenborough sitting on
> a log,
> all in focus. The ants were so big because of perspective effects,
> they
> looked like collies!
>  
> I'm fairly confident that this is not a bit of greenscreen magic. But
> I'm
> trying to figure out the method. It probably would cost gadzillions,
> but
> wowif I could achieve that kind of perspective..
> 
> I vaguely recall that in the promotional information that came out
> about
> when The Private Life of Plants was first shown, there was a lot of
> broughhaha about this new technique?
>  
> Barry
>  
> 
> Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
> Invasive Species Specialist
> Global Invasive Species Initiative
> The Nature Conservancy
> V: 530-754-8891
> http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Paul Stenquist]

Ditto. After a month or two I switched my D to no review mode. With  
my K10D, I immediately set it up to eliminate the auto-review. It's a  
distraction for sure. Like you, when I want to see what I'm shooting,  
I push the review button.
Paul
On Jan 26, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote:

> On 27/01/07, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Personally I turn auto-review off, so it doesn't really matter to me
>> whether or not the image that isn't being displayed has a histogram.
>> If I'm reviewing images I'm already pushing buttons - one more push
>> isn't going to make that much difference.
>
> After I got my K10D I reset my *ist D settings and set it up in party
> mode for use by anyone who cared to take some pics during our
> Christmas festivities. For years I had my *ist D set up with
> auto-review off but by default it's on and I just can't believe how
> distracting it is especially if you're working in marginal light
> without the flash, it drives me crazy. I'm much happier just hitting
> the review button when needed and then again for the histogram.
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Re: Extreme depth of field technique

[Jack Davis]

I've seen what appear as sharply focus water drops on such lenses with
an in-focus background. Amazing!

Jack
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> A close focusing wide angle lens? If he's shooting 35mm movie film a 
> 
> wide lens is something like an 8 to 12 mm. You get one heck of a lot 
> 
> of DOF with a lens like that.
> Paul
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Barry Rice wrote:
> 
> > Hey Folks,
> >
> > A general photography question
> >
> > I'm a big fan of David Attenborough documentaries. Starting with  
> > his series,
> > The Private Life of Plants, occasionally his film team uses a  
> > spectacular
> > technique which I simply do not understand how they achieve. It is 
> 
> > like an
> > extreme hyperfocal depth of field. In the image foreground is some
> > high-magnification object, such as a plant's flower, and in the  
> > background
> > you can see the field the plant is in, ALL IN SHARP FOCUS.
> >
> > I was watching an episode of his "Life in the Undergrowth" series  
> > last night
> > and one shot showed some ants---ANTS---scurrying in the foreground,
>  
> > tapping
> > antennae, and in the background you could see Attenborough sitting 
> 
> > on a log,
> > all in focus. The ants were so big because of perspective effects, 
> 
> > they
> > looked like collies!
> >
> > I'm fairly confident that this is not a bit of greenscreen magic.  
> > But I'm
> > trying to figure out the method. It probably would cost  
> > gadzillions, but
> > wowif I could achieve that kind of perspective..
> >
> > I vaguely recall that in the promotional information that came out 
> 
> > about
> > when The Private Life of Plants was first shown, there was a lot of
> > broughhaha about this new technique?
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
> > Invasive Species Specialist
> > Global Invasive Species Initiative
> > The Nature Conservancy
> > V: 530-754-8891
> > http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
> >
> >
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Re: PESO: Hope is a thing with Feathers

[ann sanfedele]

No prob...

I had to crop out a lot to the left because of funky stuff in the back 
ground... I tried it with
the center feather longer, too thin a frame... fortunately, the folk I 
made it for like it :)

sometime I'll post all the feather shots (about 6)  -  or at least the 
one that I cropped this from.
this seemed to me the best I could do with it with post porcessing that 
didn't alter the
reality too much.  but there sure may be something I missed.  

I don't mind the cut off, givien the alternative -s ort of goues with 
the theme. :)

ann

Boris Liberman wrote:

>Ann, for some reason I really dislike the cutoff tallest feather...
>
>Sorry :-(.
>
>Boris
>
>
>ann sanfedele wrote:
>  
>
>>http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=5498964
>>
>>posted one more shot from my Nora project
>>
>>ann
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Extreme depth of field technique

[Barry Rice]

Hey Rob,
 
Indeed! That's it! 
 
But I guess I won't be doing it anytime soon, myself! Alas.
 
The effect, by the way, is really extraordinary and far beyond what you'd
expect from just using a stopped down ultra-short focus lens. Really
remarkable.
 
B

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Viewfinders

[Walter Hamler]

I found te discussion on the comparisons among various camera viewfinders 
interesting. It brougt back memories of past cameras :-)
As a recent buyer of the K10 and still having the istDL, I honestly have not 
paid a lot of attention between the two viewfinders. This PM I took both out 
with zoom lenses  set to 50mm on each, and compared views. I  was 
immediately taken with a distinct difference in color. The DL is definately 
cool, whereas the K10 is distinctly warm.  As far as size and brightness, 
the view in the DL was slightly smaller but was actually, to me, a little 
brighter than the K10.  Not hardly noticable but I felt it was.  It reminded 
me when I first bought the DL, and  was comparing it to a DS that was also 
in stock. I felt the DL had a slight brightness advantage and again, a 
slightly smaller view screen.
Anyway, just wondering if anyone has noticed a color difference in the 
various viewfinders?

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Re: Extreme depth of field technique

[Peter McIntosh]

Digital Image Studio wrote:
> On 27/01/07, Barry Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> I'm fairly confident that this is not a bit of greenscreen magic. But I'm
>> trying to figure out the method. It probably would cost gadzillions, but
>> wowif I could achieve that kind of perspective..
>> 
>
> AFAIK they use a Panavision/Frazier Lens System:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_lens
>
>   
And an Aussie invention at that!  I remember seeing some footage from 
him on a gardening show here some years ago. Quite amazing...

Ciao,

Peter in western Sydney

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RE: Opportunity or Rip Off ? Advice Solicited

[Tim Øsleby]

Ah. At last an explanation I can understand ;-) 
It is what you always should carry when travelling in space. 

And thanks to the others who tried to enlighten me :-)


Tim
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>Silly question: What's tear sheets?

Handkerchiefs.

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Adam Maas]

Cory Papenfuss wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Stan Halpin wrote:
> 
>> Not based on personal experience, but the general consensus is that the
>> primary shortcomings of the *ist-D compared to the more refined later
>> D-series brethren are the D's smaller, slower, write buffer and its
>> smaller LCD. I was thoroughly pleased with the D, not at all tempted by
>> the follow-ons,  and moved to the K10D primarily to get the
>> shake-reduction feature. I really like the vertical grip available on
>> the -D and K10D and would miss that on any of the others.
>>
>> Stan
>>
>   The DS has the same LCD as the D, no?  I've been pleased with 
> mine, but the later larger LCDs (in the DL and the DS2) are definately 
> nicer.  ANY of them are nicer than the absolutely hideous LCD in the Canon 
> Rebel and Rebel XT.
> 
>   Another factor is longevity in memory cards.  Granted they're not 
> that much anymore, but Pentax has clearly implied they're going SD.
> 
> -Cory
> 

No, the DS has a 2" LCD, the D a 1.8" and all others are 2.5"

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, John Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Personally I turn auto-review off, so it doesn't really matter to me
> whether or not the image that isn't being displayed has a histogram.
> If I'm reviewing images I'm already pushing buttons - one more push
> isn't going to make that much difference.

After I got my K10D I reset my *ist D settings and set it up in party
mode for use by anyone who cared to take some pics during our
Christmas festivities. For years I had my *ist D set up with
auto-review off but by default it's on and I just can't believe how
distracting it is especially if you're working in marginal light
without the flash, it drives me crazy. I'm much happier just hitting
the review button when needed and then again for the histogram.

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Re: Faded History: May be of interest to the Americans

[ann sanfedele]

HI, Markus

I, too, have a few magazines from that era - but I was a young woman 
then, in the theatre in NY.

By the way -- I answered you off list about the feathers, sending an 
attachment of the original that
I cropped heavily from , a couple of days ago... is it possible it ended 
up in a junk mail folder
because I sent and attachment?   I couldn't get the image posted on line 
for some technical reasons at the time
so I sent you a fairly low res jpg to get a glimpse of...

let me know if you need to do soemthing to your m ail account to let it 
get through.

Best,
ann

Markus Maurer wrote:

>Hi Ann
>I got some magazines from my birth year 1959 and two different bottles of
>(undrinkable Bordeaux) with a crystal glass as well.
>I plan do to a still life with the wine and the glass soon :-)
>Technology steps like going to the moon or robots and fear of Russia have
>been big themes then and I like the advertising for washing and other
>household machines, soap, perfumes and more a lot.  Older art magazines from
>1970 up are quite easy and cheap to find here, I saw quite a few even older
>newspapers too.
>
>greetings
>Markus
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
>ann sanfedele
>Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:06 PM
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>Subject: Re: Faded History: May be of interest to the Americans
>
>
>It does, and it was a special event in NY, which people are missing the
>point.
>I see every one mentioning it as if it's only value were its age.
>
>1976 was a significant year for me and I was here for the event - a
>spectacular floatilla of old
>and new vessels ( although I dislike the warships in this cover photo,
>there were lots
>of older ones that were prettier.)
>
>Interestingly , June of 1976 I took a two week trip to the Canadian
>Rockies - my first
>such entirely on my own to heal myself mentally after a great loss.
>
>There are probably a lot of very well preserved copies of it floating
>(no pun) around
>but unless someone else really has a strong desire for it for a great
>reason, I'd love it.
>
>I started to write off list, but when I saw some of the responses to it
>decided differently.
>
>ann
>
>
>
>
>William Robb wrote:
>
>  
>
>>
>>
>>>On 1/26/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
Put it up again in 2076, along with a price.
At my age, 1976 seems a recent year.

Jack




>>Ok, for some reason, when I saw the publishing date was the 200th
>>anniversary of the USA, I thought that the NYT from that day might be
>>special for people of the Amercian community.
>>It'll make a nice log.
>>
>>William Robb
>>
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Re: Extreme depth of field technique

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, Barry Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm fairly confident that this is not a bit of greenscreen magic. But I'm
> trying to figure out the method. It probably would cost gadzillions, but
> wowif I could achieve that kind of perspective..

AFAIK they use a Panavision/Frazier Lens System:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazier_lens

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Bruce Dayton]

Not to mention HyperManual and Manual control.  With the DS and later,
with only one wheel, manual control is more cumbersome.  One wheel to
control both aperture and shutter.  On the *istD, one dial controls
shutter and one controls aperture.  Also hyperManual can be set for
Shutter/Aperture or Program when pressing the green button.  So you
can dial in the desired f-stop and press green button and the shutter
speed will be set - or just the opposite.

Basically, to me the D was a better manually controlled camera and the
DS was a better auto controlled camera.

Also, the D uses CF cards and the DS uses the SD cards - not saying
one is better, but they are different on that front.

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Friday, January 26, 2007, 3:40:46 PM, you wrote:

SH> Not based on personal experience, but the general consensus is that the
SH> primary shortcomings of the *ist-D compared to the more refined later
SH> D-series brethren are the D's smaller, slower, write buffer and its
SH> smaller LCD. I was thoroughly pleased with the D, not at all tempted by
SH> the follow-ons,  and moved to the K10D primarily to get the 
SH> shake-reduction feature. I really like the vertical grip available on
SH> the -D and K10D and would miss that on any of the others.

SH> Stan



SH> On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:23 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

>> So what you're saying is the D has better build quality
>> and a battery grip option none of the others have, but it lacks the
>> large LCD
>> of a DS2 only or are there other things it lacks compared
>> to a DS2?
>> thanks,
>> jco
>> -Original Message-
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>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:16 PM
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>> Subject: RE: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>>
>>
>> The original D has better build quality than any of its siblings, and
>> it
>> can be fitted with a battery grip. Functionally, The DS2 is the best.
>> Aestetically, i'd say that the D is the best. All of them work very
>> well.
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> So what you are saying is the DS2 is the best of
>>> all the pre-K series Pentax DSLR models in all respects?
>>> Or are there somethings it's lacking compared to an original D?
>>> thanks, jco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Of Mat Maessen
>>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:01 PM
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>>> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/26/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Is the DS2 better or worse than the DS
 or D and in what way?
>>>
>>> The DS2 has a larger LCD screen than the DS. It also incorporated the
>>> change including AF-continuous mode from the DS version 2.0 software
>>> into its 1.0 software. So if you have a DS with version 2.0 or later
>>> software on it, it is functionally identical to a DS2. I bought a DS2
>>> because it came along at the right time, at the right price.
>>>
>>> Both the DS and DS2 have faster card write speeds than the original D.
>>
>>> The viewfinders are identical to the D, and can have their focusing
>>> screens changed relatively easily.
>>>
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Re: Extreme depth of field technique

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Rice" Subject: Extreme depth of field technique


> Hey Folks,
>
> A general photography question
>
> I'm a big fan of David Attenborough documentaries. Starting with his 
> series,
> The Private Life of Plants, occasionally his film team uses a spectacular
> technique which I simply do not understand how they achieve. It is like an
> extreme hyperfocal depth of field. In the image foreground is some
> high-magnification object, such as a plant's flower, and in the background
> you can see the field the plant is in, ALL IN SHARP FOCUS.

Multiple exposures with blending works. I don't know how to do it. Dr. 
Williams frm Finland showed some microscopy images that he had done this 
sort of thing with.

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[John Francis]

On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:44:00PM -0500, Cory Papenfuss wrote:
>   I also recall that the -D does not provide the option of a 
> displaying a histogram after taking a shot.  It's available, but only 
> after poking through a menu or something.

Or something.   Just push the "Info" button.

Personally I turn auto-review off, so it doesn't really matter to me
whether or not the image that isn't being displayed has a histogram.
If I'm reviewing images I'm already pushing buttons - one more push
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Re: PESO - Bird of prey

[Brendan MacRae]

I think you're right about the wires. That just
doesn't work.

-Brendan
--- Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good work. I'd crop the second one a bit tighter and
> get rid of the  
> wires. I like the sky. It's not blown out, and the
> grey moodiness  
> adds something to the shot.
> Paul
> On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:
> 
> > Here's a guy a shot a few years back. Among the
> most
> > successful in flight shots I've managed. Of
> course,
> > the sky doesn't look great but I'll take what I
> can
> > get with shots like these.
> >
> > Ektachrome, MZ-S, Sigma 400mm f5.6 manual focus,
> > probably 1/250 wide open.
> >
> >
>
http://www.primelensphoto.com/images/hawk_in_flight2.jpg
> >
> >
>
http://www.primelensphoto.com/images/hawk_in_flight1.jpg
> >
> > -Brendan
> >
> >
> >
> >
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RE: Rollovers: need your help

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Roman
As nice as advertising for Pentax is, I dislike the style of background of
your website.
The image rollover works here with IE7 and Avant Browser but I can not click
on the large preview to display it even larger and the large preview after
the first photo is not full visible on my screen without scrolling.
You use a lot of valuable space at the top for your menu and the ads and two
different menu styles too.
The different photo categories (like landscapes, animals) should be a
submenu of photo diary or else. The photo section should be on top of the
menu
which I would organize by importance and the "about" at the end. Maybe
forget about "@mail to a friend" and the google search, I think they are
pretty useless.
Tell the visitor when the site has last changed.

greetings
Markus




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http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007

I'd recently changed design of my website, adding image rollovers to
show large previews when visitor moves mouse over the thumbnails. I hope
I didn't create a mess for Internet Explorer users. Please take a click
on above link and tell me if my idea works. It may take few seconds to
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Re: Extreme depth of field technique

[Paul Stenquist]

A close focusing wide angle lens? If he's shooting 35mm movie film a  
wide lens is something like an 8 to 12 mm. You get one heck of a lot  
of DOF with a lens like that.
Paul
On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:46 PM, Barry Rice wrote:

> Hey Folks,
>
> A general photography question
>
> I'm a big fan of David Attenborough documentaries. Starting with  
> his series,
> The Private Life of Plants, occasionally his film team uses a  
> spectacular
> technique which I simply do not understand how they achieve. It is  
> like an
> extreme hyperfocal depth of field. In the image foreground is some
> high-magnification object, such as a plant's flower, and in the  
> background
> you can see the field the plant is in, ALL IN SHARP FOCUS.
>
> I was watching an episode of his "Life in the Undergrowth" series  
> last night
> and one shot showed some ants---ANTS---scurrying in the foreground,  
> tapping
> antennae, and in the background you could see Attenborough sitting  
> on a log,
> all in focus. The ants were so big because of perspective effects,  
> they
> looked like collies!
>
> I'm fairly confident that this is not a bit of greenscreen magic.  
> But I'm
> trying to figure out the method. It probably would cost  
> gadzillions, but
> wowif I could achieve that kind of perspective..
>
> I vaguely recall that in the promotional information that came out  
> about
> when The Private Life of Plants was first shown, there was a lot of
> broughhaha about this new technique?
>
> Barry
>
>
> Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
> Invasive Species Specialist
> Global Invasive Species Initiative
> The Nature Conservancy
> V: 530-754-8891
> http://tncweeds.ucdavis.edu
>
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Re: Amazing used lens prices

[Bruce Dayton]

It is interesting to note each person's likes/dislikes.  I sold both
my FA 24/2.0 and FA 135/2.8 because of poorer performance on my *IstD.
And then there are others who think those are great lenses.  You have
to wonder if it is sample variance or just different expectations.

-- 
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Friday, January 26, 2007, 3:18:10 PM, you wrote:

>> Yes the Smegma is a good lens optically but I've seen the helicoid
>> grind to a halt in two of these units 

JW> Never came across that problem before on the manual focus ones.

>> and quite a few where the focus
>> scale was well out of alignment.

JW> Assuming that the cheap lettering hadn't already worn off :) Can't remember
JW> ever using the focusing scale though.

>> > The FA24/2, awesome from f/5.6 - F/11
>> 
>> Ah yes, but it's a big lens for a f5.6 and the corners still show
>> pretty bad CA when used on DSLR bodies.

JW> I've not had much opportunity to use it on the D yet, but that's something 
to
JW> look out for, very impressed with the FA35/2, FA50/1.4 and in particular
JW> FA135/2.8.

JW> My K10D arrives Monday or Tuesday, gave the purchase some serious thought,
JW> had to decide whether to buy online (cheaper?) or from the local dealer. It
JW> was a no brainer when my local dealer beat all the internet deals by £34,
JW> couldn't get my debit card out on my pocket fast enough :)

JW> John 

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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Paul Stenquist]

The D provides a histogram on the preview with a touch of the info  
button, same as all the others I believe.
Paul
On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Cory Papenfuss wrote:

>   I also recall that the -D does not provide the option of a
> displaying a histogram after taking a shot.  It's available, but only
> after poking through a menu or something.  If that hasn't been  
> fixed with
> firmware, it's a huge negative (for shooting with pre-A lenses  
> anyway).
>
> -Cory
>
> On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> It should also  be mentioned that the D has dual control wheels --  
>> one for aperture and one for shutter speed. The DS and DS2 use a  
>> single wheel. The D also has a PC socket. I don't believe that the  
>> others do. When using the battery grip, the D has seperate control  
>> wheels for vertical shooting.
>> Paul
>> -- Original message --
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> The original D has better build quality than any of its siblings,  
>>> and it can be
>>> fitted with a battery grip. Functionally, The DS2 is the best.  
>>> Aestetically, i'd
>>> say that the D is the best. All of them work very well.
>>>
>>>  -- Original message --
>>> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 So what you are saying is the DS2 is the best of
 all the pre-K series Pentax DSLR models in all respects?
 Or are there somethings it's lacking compared to an original D?
 thanks,
 jco

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 On 1/26/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is the DS2 better or worse than the DS
> or D and in what way?

 The DS2 has a larger LCD screen than the DS. It also  
 incorporated the
 change including AF-continuous mode from the DS version 2.0  
 software
 into its 1.0 software. So if you have a DS with version 2.0 or  
 later
 software on it, it is functionally identical to a DS2. I bought  
 a DS2
 because it came along at the right time, at the right price.

 Both the DS and DS2 have faster card write speeds than the  
 original D.
 The viewfinders are identical to the D, and can have their focusing
 screens changed relatively easily.

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Extreme depth of field technique

[Barry Rice]

Hey Folks,
 
A general photography question
 
I'm a big fan of David Attenborough documentaries. Starting with his series,
The Private Life of Plants, occasionally his film team uses a spectacular
technique which I simply do not understand how they achieve. It is like an
extreme hyperfocal depth of field. In the image foreground is some
high-magnification object, such as a plant's flower, and in the background
you can see the field the plant is in, ALL IN SHARP FOCUS.
 
I was watching an episode of his "Life in the Undergrowth" series last night
and one shot showed some ants---ANTS---scurrying in the foreground, tapping
antennae, and in the background you could see Attenborough sitting on a log,
all in focus. The ants were so big because of perspective effects, they
looked like collies!
 
I'm fairly confident that this is not a bit of greenscreen magic. But I'm
trying to figure out the method. It probably would cost gadzillions, but
wowif I could achieve that kind of perspective..

I vaguely recall that in the promotional information that came out about
when The Private Life of Plants was first shown, there was a lot of
broughhaha about this new technique?
 
Barry
 

Barry A. Rice, Ph.D.
Invasive Species Specialist
Global Invasive Species Initiative
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Re: Amazing used lens prices

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:18 PM, John Whittingham wrote:

>>> The FA24/2, awesome from f/5.6 - F/11
>>
>> Ah yes, but it's a big lens for a f5.6 and the corners still show
>> pretty bad CA when used on DSLR bodies.
>
> I've not had much opportunity to use it on the D yet, but that's  
> something to
> look out for, very impressed with the FA35/2, FA50/1.4 and in  
> particular
> FA135/2.8.

The friend of mine from the PAW list who first bought a Pentax DS had  
the FA24/2. He sold it pretty fast because the CA wide open was too  
much of a bother ... why carry such a heavy, big lens around if you  
have have to shoot with it stopped down all the time?

I had the A24/2.8 : it was a very good lens and I used it a lot. I  
find the wide-open contrast and overall versatility of the FA20-35/4  
more appealing, and the resolution/rendering qualities are almost as  
good (if not better in some cases).

Have fun with the K10D, John!

Godfrey

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Re: PESO - Bird of prey

[Paul Stenquist]

Good work. I'd crop the second one a bit tighter and get rid of the  
wires. I like the sky. It's not blown out, and the grey moodiness  
adds something to the shot.
Paul
On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

> Here's a guy a shot a few years back. Among the most
> successful in flight shots I've managed. Of course,
> the sky doesn't look great but I'll take what I can
> get with shots like these.
>
> Ektachrome, MZ-S, Sigma 400mm f5.6 manual focus,
> probably 1/250 wide open.
>
> http://www.primelensphoto.com/images/hawk_in_flight2.jpg
>
> http://www.primelensphoto.com/images/hawk_in_flight1.jpg
>
> -Brendan
>
>
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Cory Papenfuss]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Stan Halpin wrote:

> Not based on personal experience, but the general consensus is that the
> primary shortcomings of the *ist-D compared to the more refined later
> D-series brethren are the D's smaller, slower, write buffer and its
> smaller LCD. I was thoroughly pleased with the D, not at all tempted by
> the follow-ons,  and moved to the K10D primarily to get the
> shake-reduction feature. I really like the vertical grip available on
> the -D and K10D and would miss that on any of the others.
>
> Stan
>
The DS has the same LCD as the D, no?  I've been pleased with 
mine, but the later larger LCDs (in the DL and the DS2) are definately 
nicer.  ANY of them are nicer than the absolutely hideous LCD in the Canon 
Rebel and Rebel XT.

Another factor is longevity in memory cards.  Granted they're not 
that much anymore, but Pentax has clearly implied they're going SD.

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RE: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Cory Papenfuss]

I also recall that the -D does not provide the option of a 
displaying a histogram after taking a shot.  It's available, but only 
after poking through a menu or something.  If that hasn't been fixed with 
firmware, it's a huge negative (for shooting with pre-A lenses anyway).

-Cory

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> It should also  be mentioned that the D has dual control wheels -- one for 
> aperture and one for shutter speed. The DS and DS2 use a single wheel. The D 
> also has a PC socket. I don't believe that the others do. When using the 
> battery grip, the D has seperate control wheels for vertical shooting.
> Paul
> -- Original message --
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> The original D has better build quality than any of its siblings, and it can 
>> be
>> fitted with a battery grip. Functionally, The DS2 is the best. Aestetically, 
>> i'd
>> say that the D is the best. All of them work very well.
>>
>>  -- Original message --
>> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> So what you are saying is the DS2 is the best of
>>> all the pre-K series Pentax DSLR models in all respects?
>>> Or are there somethings it's lacking compared to an original D?
>>> thanks,
>>> jco
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
>>> Mat Maessen
>>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:01 PM
>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/26/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Is the DS2 better or worse than the DS
 or D and in what way?
>>>
>>> The DS2 has a larger LCD screen than the DS. It also incorporated the
>>> change including AF-continuous mode from the DS version 2.0 software
>>> into its 1.0 software. So if you have a DS with version 2.0 or later
>>> software on it, it is functionally identical to a DS2. I bought a DS2
>>> because it came along at the right time, at the right price.
>>>
>>> Both the DS and DS2 have faster card write speeds than the original D.
>>> The viewfinders are identical to the D, and can have their focusing
>>> screens changed relatively easily.
>>>
>>> -Mat
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Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?

[Stan Halpin]

Not based on personal experience, but the general consensus is that the 
primary shortcomings of the *ist-D compared to the more refined later 
D-series brethren are the D's smaller, slower, write buffer and its 
smaller LCD. I was thoroughly pleased with the D, not at all tempted by 
the follow-ons,  and moved to the K10D primarily to get the 
shake-reduction feature. I really like the vertical grip available on 
the -D and K10D and would miss that on any of the others.

Stan



On Jan 26, 2007, at 3:23 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote:

> So what you're saying is the D has better build quality
> and a battery grip option none of the others have, but it lacks the
> large LCD
> of a DS2 only or are there other things it lacks compared
> to a DS2?
> thanks,
> jco
> -Original Message-
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>
>
> The original D has better build quality than any of its siblings, and 
> it
> can be fitted with a battery grip. Functionally, The DS2 is the best.
> Aestetically, i'd say that the D is the best. All of them work very
> well.
>
>  -- Original message --
> From: "J. C. O'Connell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> So what you are saying is the DS2 is the best of
>> all the pre-K series Pentax DSLR models in all respects?
>> Or are there somethings it's lacking compared to an original D?
>> thanks, jco
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
>> Of Mat Maessen
>> Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:01 PM
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>> Subject: Re: Differences between the *istD, DS, DS2?
>>
>>
>> On 1/26/07, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Is the DS2 better or worse than the DS
>>> or D and in what way?
>>
>> The DS2 has a larger LCD screen than the DS. It also incorporated the
>> change including AF-continuous mode from the DS version 2.0 software
>> into its 1.0 software. So if you have a DS with version 2.0 or later
>> software on it, it is functionally identical to a DS2. I bought a DS2
>> because it came along at the right time, at the right price.
>>
>> Both the DS and DS2 have faster card write speeds than the original D.
>
>> The viewfinders are identical to the D, and can have their focusing
>> screens changed relatively easily.
>>
>> -Mat
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Re: Pentax FA28/2.8 AL vs FA35/2 AL lenses: how do they compare?

[Paul Stenquist]

I expect slow in a zoom. Primes should be fast. But I'm being a bit  
facetious in regard to the 28/3.5. I really like the lens. In fact,  
I'm going to make a point of using it this weekend. It's been in the  
box far too long. By the way, the DA 16-45/4 may well be my most used  
lens.
Paul
On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Peter Lacus wrote:

> Paul,
>
>> The K 28/3.5 might be the sharpest and best resolving 28 of them all.
>> Unfortunately, it's as slow as a crippled mule. But I still use mine.
>
> if 3.5 is slow as a crippled mule, how would you characterize for
> example 16-45/4 zoom?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
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Re: Pentax FA28/2.8 AL vs FA35/2 AL lenses: how do they compare?

[Kostas Kavoussanakis]

On Fri, 26 Jan 2007, Peter Lacus wrote:

>> The K 28/3.5 might be the sharpest and best resolving 28 of them all.
>> Unfortunately, it's as slow as a crippled mule. But I still use mine.
>
> if 3.5 is slow as a crippled mule, how would you characterize for
> example 16-45/4 zoom?

Err, a mid-(price) range zoom? Of course it is a compromise. The other 
is a prime I owned but never used, as the 24-90 is almost as good and 
almost as fast. It went in the latest clearout. YMMV.

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Re: Amazing used lens prices

[Adam Maas]

John Whittingham wrote:
>> LOL, I sold my A 24f/2.8, bought on FA24/2 wasn't happy, bought
>> another, so then I had two, still wasn't happy, sold both FA24/2,
>> bought another A 24f/2.8, mostly happy now. I still don't understand
>> why the FA24/2 often gets such rave reviews.
> 
> 
> I'm on my second FA 24/2, wasn't happy with the first one, didn't get on with 
> the A 24/2.8, too soft until f/5.6 and beyond, kept my K 24/2.8 for 
> sentimental reasons but it's no better han the A.
> 
> At the risk of upsetting a lot of people the manual focus Smegma 24/2.8 
> Superwide II is the best bang for the buck, it's usuable wide open on the 
> *ist D, little vignetting on film SLR's until f/4, my A 24/2.8 could only 
> just match it by F/8 and then just.
> 
> The FA24/2, awesome from f/5.6 - F/11
> 
> John 

Got the Sigma in AI-S form. Not selling it, great glass even if the 
handling sucks (On my example the rubber focus ring is departing and the 
aperture ring is balky)

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Re: Published...

[Adam Maas]

Congragulations, that's one of my favourite magazines. I'll certainly be 
buying the issue.

-Adam


Juan Buhler wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
> has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
> Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
> but here is a link to their site:
> 
> http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White-Photography--1003BW.html
> 
> Despite any resemblances, that's not me in the cover :)
> 
> 
> Anyway--thought some of you might want to check it out. All pictures
> published were taken with the istD, and it prominently says so next to
> each.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.

[ann sanfedele]

When I first got into one stock agency, they had an office near me so I 
used to take the photos in
myself - no fear of losing them then :)  While I was there, the head of 
the NY office showed me some
of the boring shots that were bought  by clients over others that were 
far more artistic and interesting.
Sometimes things I wouldn't have had the guts to show anyone.  We were 
both tsktsking over them.

As to the National Geo stuff that might be subpar - remember the photogs 
that work for them - at
least those that were working for them shooting film,  just turned in 
the unprocessed stuff - whereupon
they lost all control of what was selected.  So when you see subpar 
stuff in any magazine, remember how
little say a photographer has in the final piece when they are shooting 
on assignment or sell something for
commercial use.

I over shoot like crazy if something strikes me or I need to make sure I 
can pull stuff out.  But I don't
show my disasters to anyone, unless it is to figure out what went wrong 
technically.  But then, I've never
shot large format and the only stuff I shoot under a truly controlled 
environment is boring product work
or , heaven forfend, actor's headshots :)

ann


Bob W wrote:

>this is why it's so fascinating and useful to look at other
>photographers' contact sheets. I'm thinking particularly here of
>photojournalists. You can see when they've spotted what may become a
>good photograph, and you can see that they are shooting a lot of good
>pictures waiting for the real one to happen, and making sure they have
>a choice later when they review and edit at leisure.
>
>For commercial photographers it's also important to give the client a
>choice. A few years ago I helped out on a brochure with a friend who
>shot outdoor gear. When we were reviewing the work there was one
>particular shot which leaped off the lightbox, and which we both
>agreed was the outstanding picture of the day, sure to meet the
>client's approval. But it didn't. Instead he chose a run-of-the-mill
>shot which happened to show the product better, but was quite
>unremarkable (although entirely professional and competent) as a
>photo.
>
>--
> Bob
> 
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
>>Behalf Of graywolf
>>Sent: 26 January 2007 22:14
>>To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
>>Subject: Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.
>>
>>You miss my point, Tom. The proof sheet is to pick the best 
>>of a bunch 
>>of good photos, not to sort the crap from the mediocre, or at 
>>least that 
>>was the way we thought of it in the old days.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Amazing used lens prices

[John Whittingham]

> Yes the Smegma is a good lens optically but I've seen the helicoid
> grind to a halt in two of these units 

Never came across that problem before on the manual focus ones.

> and quite a few where the focus
> scale was well out of alignment.

Assuming that the cheap lettering hadn't already worn off :) Can't remember 
ever using the focusing scale though.

> > The FA24/2, awesome from f/5.6 - F/11
> 
> Ah yes, but it's a big lens for a f5.6 and the corners still show
> pretty bad CA when used on DSLR bodies.

I've not had much opportunity to use it on the D yet, but that's something to 
look out for, very impressed with the FA35/2, FA50/1.4 and in particular 
FA135/2.8.

My K10D arrives Monday or Tuesday, gave the purchase some serious thought, 
had to decide whether to buy online (cheaper?) or from the local dealer. It 
was a no brainer when my local dealer beat all the internet deals by £34, 
couldn't get my debit card out on my pocket fast enough :)

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Re: Rollovers: need your help

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Roman" Subject: Rollovers: need your help


> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007
>
> I'd recently changed design of my website, adding image rollovers to
> show large previews when visitor moves mouse over the thumbnails. I hope
> I didn't create a mess for Internet Explorer users. Please take a click
> on above link and tell me if my idea works. It may take few seconds to
> download larger image preview.
>
> Thank you for your help.

On Firefox, the bigger previews come im paertially off the screen on the 
right and bottom side.
Your website has gone from mildly annoying because I'm never quite sure 
where I am supposed to click to annoying to the point of my clicking my Home 
Page button rather than trying to sort it all out.

William Robb
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Re: Amazing used lens prices

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At the risk of upsetting a lot of people the manual focus Smegma 24/2.8
> Superwide II is the best bang for the buck, it's usuable wide open on the
> *ist D, little vignetting on film SLR's until f/4, my A 24/2.8 could only
> just match it by F/8 and then just.

Yes the Smegma is a good lens optically but I've seen the helicoid
grind to a halt in two of these units and quite a few where the focus
scale was well out of alignment.

> The FA24/2, awesome from f/5.6 - F/11

Ah yes, but it's a big lens for a f5.6 and the corners still show
pretty bad CA when used on DSLR bodies.

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PESO - Bird of prey

[Brendan MacRae]

Here's a guy a shot a few years back. Among the most
successful in flight shots I've managed. Of course,
the sky doesn't look great but I'll take what I can
get with shots like these.

Ektachrome, MZ-S, Sigma 400mm f5.6 manual focus,
probably 1/250 wide open.

http://www.primelensphoto.com/images/hawk_in_flight2.jpg

http://www.primelensphoto.com/images/hawk_in_flight1.jpg

-Brendan


 

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RE: Faded History: May be of interest to the Americans

[Markus Maurer]

Hi Ann
I got some magazines from my birth year 1959 and two different bottles of
(undrinkable Bordeaux) with a crystal glass as well.
I plan do to a still life with the wine and the glass soon :-)
Technology steps like going to the moon or robots and fear of Russia have
been big themes then and I like the advertising for washing and other
household machines, soap, perfumes and more a lot.  Older art magazines from
1970 up are quite easy and cheap to find here, I saw quite a few even older
newspapers too.

greetings
Markus




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It does, and it was a special event in NY, which people are missing the
point.
I see every one mentioning it as if it's only value were its age.

1976 was a significant year for me and I was here for the event - a
spectacular floatilla of old
and new vessels ( although I dislike the warships in this cover photo,
there were lots
of older ones that were prettier.)

Interestingly , June of 1976 I took a two week trip to the Canadian
Rockies - my first
such entirely on my own to heal myself mentally after a great loss.

There are probably a lot of very well preserved copies of it floating
(no pun) around
but unless someone else really has a strong desire for it for a great
reason, I'd love it.

I started to write off list, but when I saw some of the responses to it
decided differently.

ann




William Robb wrote:

>
>
>>On 1/26/07, Jack Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Put it up again in 2076, along with a price.
>>>At my age, 1976 seems a recent year.
>>>
>>>Jack
>>>
>>>
>
>Ok, for some reason, when I saw the publishing date was the 200th
>anniversary of the USA, I thought that the NYT from that day might be
>special for people of the Amercian community.
>It'll make a nice log.
>
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>
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Re: Published...

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, Juan Buhler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
> has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
> Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
> but here is a link to their site:
>
> http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White-Photography--1003BW.html

Excellent, it's great to see a real photographer receive due credit!
Well done mate!

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RE: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.

[Bob W]

this is why it's so fascinating and useful to look at other
photographers' contact sheets. I'm thinking particularly here of
photojournalists. You can see when they've spotted what may become a
good photograph, and you can see that they are shooting a lot of good
pictures waiting for the real one to happen, and making sure they have
a choice later when they review and edit at leisure.

For commercial photographers it's also important to give the client a
choice. A few years ago I helped out on a brochure with a friend who
shot outdoor gear. When we were reviewing the work there was one
particular shot which leaped off the lightbox, and which we both
agreed was the outstanding picture of the day, sure to meet the
client's approval. But it didn't. Instead he chose a run-of-the-mill
shot which happened to show the product better, but was quite
unremarkable (although entirely professional and competent) as a
photo.

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of graywolf
> Sent: 26 January 2007 22:14
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
> Subject: Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.
> 
> You miss my point, Tom. The proof sheet is to pick the best 
> of a bunch 
> of good photos, not to sort the crap from the mediocre, or at 
> least that 
> was the way we thought of it in the old days.
> 
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Re: DNG recover edges and K10D files

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

On Jan 26, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Juan Buhler wrote:

> I don't know how many of you have used Adobe's recover edges utility
> with files from the K10D.
>
> But I noticed that when doing so, the pixels recovered on the right of
> the image are all noise, without any image info.
>
> Only very mildly annoying, and somewhat interesting. I wonder if this
> is part of the ccd that is not exposed, or something like that.

I see the same "noise" when I opened the K10D DNG files in LightZone  
and RAW Developer.

Godfrey


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Re: Rollovers: need your help

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Roman,

Your web page design was already so visually busy that I cannot go  
there to look at anything without getting a headache. Rollovers  
cannot help.

Simplify, simplify.

G

On Jan 26, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Roman wrote:

> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007
>
> I'd recently changed design of my website, adding image rollovers to
> show large previews when visitor moves mouse over the thumbnails. I  
> hope
> I didn't create a mess for Internet Explorer users. Please take a  
> click
> on above link and tell me if my idea works. It may take few seconds to
> download larger image preview.


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Re: Rollovers: need your help

[Bertil Holmberg]

In Safari the rollovers show up all right but both are cropped by the  
right window margin. The bottom image is partially outside the bottom  
of the page, while the top image has an uneven crop at the bottom. I  
have a 23 inch display, BTW.

Hope this helps,
Bertil

> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007
>
> I'd recently changed design of my website, adding image rollovers to
> show large previews when visitor moves mouse over the thumbnails. I  
> hope
> I didn't create a mess for Internet Explorer users. Please take a  
> click
> on above link and tell me if my idea works. It may take few seconds to
> download larger image preview.
>
> Thank you for your help.
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Re: Published...

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Juan,

A well deserved congratulations!

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Friday, January 26, 2007, 11:45:21 AM, you wrote:

JB> Hi all,

JB> The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
JB> has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
JB> Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
JB> but here is a link to their site:

JB> http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White-Photography--1003BW.html

JB> Despite any resemblances, that's not me in the cover :)


JB> Anyway--thought some of you might want to check it out. All pictures
JB> published were taken with the istD, and it prominently says so next to
JB> each.

JB> Thanks,

JB> j

JB> -- 
JB> Juan Buhler - http://www.jbuhler.com
JB> photoblog: http://photoblog.jbuhler.com
JB> a book: http://www.jbuhler.com/book.html




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Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.

[Tom C]

The answers to your questions are, well no. But then I've never shot in a 
studio, or desired to, and the kind of photography you're talking about is 
something I've never tried to make a forte.

To say however that every photo must be technically and asthetically 
saleable for the photographer to be deemed competent, I think is an 
exaggeration.

I feel safe in saying that all photographers that make their living from it, 
have done assignments where they were met with a new set of variables and 
conditions that they had not encountered before and they learned from past 
and present mistakes.

I don't claim to be a great photographer, but I get results that are 
pleasing a sufficent percentage of the time, that I don't place the camera 
behind my rear tire and back over it. :-)  I don't expect to get great 
results all the time.  If I was that meticulous, I would either not have 
time for photography, or possibly come to despise it as being simply a job.  
I see plenty of published (Nat'l Geographic for instance) shots that I 
personally think are horrendous.  Those photographers are no doubt 
competent, possibly have a different sense of asthetics, or the photography 
is being used for the purpose of supplementing the story and does not really 
stand on it's own.

I'm probably taking issue with a single word you used. Incompetent. A person 
that takes a poor photo may be ignorant, indigent, impotent, or incontinent, 
but it doesn't mean they are worthy of being labeled incompetent.


Tom C.



From:  graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject:  Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.
Date:  Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:13:55 -0500
>You miss my point, Tom. The proof sheet is to pick the best of a bunch
>of good photos, not to sort the crap from the mediocre, or at least that
>was the way we thought of it in the old days.
>
>Tell me something, Tom, can you look at a print and pretty much tell how
>it was lit? Can you reproduce that lighting with a minimum of
>experimentation? Do you know what types of poses look graceful and which
>do not? For a skinny person? A fat person? How to photography a very
>shiny object without reflections? How to light a large rotunda? Those
>are all questions people on this list have asked, usually with the
>preface, "Some one wants to pay me to do this, how do I do it?"
>
>And then there is the question I've never seen anybody ask, "How do I
>learn to use my camera without even thinking about it?" There are a few
>here on the list that I know can do that, and probably a few more that I
>do not know, but I would guess there are not more than 20-25 out of the
>600+ folks. When you have learned how to do that, you will find that you
>really do not like fiddlely cameras.
>
>Anybody, especially with todays cameras, can shoot 2000 frames of
>something and get 10 decent photos, it is another thing to shoot 10 and
>get those same 10 photos. A really good photographer is not sorting
>diamonds from a pile of rocks, he is sorting flawless diamonds from a
>pile of diamonds.
>
>Don't take the above a put-down, take it as a challenge.
>
>
>
>Tom C wrote:
> > If I was getting paid for every hour I was doing photography, I suppose 
>a
> > higher perecentage of my shots would also be better.  Since I'm not 
>getting
> > paid for it, and am often in a hurry, on my way to/from a paying job...
> >
> > I wasn't suggesting that it was a law of averages, but your words are at
> > odds with what I've heard at least several celebrated photographers say.
> >
> > I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement:
> >
> >> I guess I do not care who feels insulted, but if every single photo
> >> (that you work at making) is not technically and esthetically salable
> >> you are not competent.
> >
> > How can that be? I write software and am pretty good at it.  It doesn't 
>mean
> > that I can't make a mistake and have the end product not function as
> > designed or envisioned.  Having that be the case does not mean I'm
> > incompetent, simply human.
> >
> > I'm not insulted, but I do believe you are wrong.  If what you say is 
>true,
> > there would be no need for proof sheets and editing, and the 
>'professionals'
> > are the ones who make the most use of them.
> >
> >
> > Tom C.
> >
> >
> >> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> >> Subject: Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.
> >> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:15:44 -0500
> >>
> >> As long as we understand that the top photographers toss-outs are 
>better
> >> than our best, that is true.
> >>
> >> It really bothers me that folks think great photographs are a product 
>of
> >> averages, of luck. A competent photographer does not produce many duds
> >> (as long as he is working at it, if he is old and lazy like me, he gets
> >> a lot of them, but not because he doesn't know better).
> >>
> >> I guess I do not c

Re: Amazing used lens prices

[John Whittingham]

> LOL, I sold my A 24f/2.8, bought on FA24/2 wasn't happy, bought
> another, so then I had two, still wasn't happy, sold both FA24/2,
> bought another A 24f/2.8, mostly happy now. I still don't understand
> why the FA24/2 often gets such rave reviews.


I'm on my second FA 24/2, wasn't happy with the first one, didn't get on with 
the A 24/2.8, too soft until f/5.6 and beyond, kept my K 24/2.8 for 
sentimental reasons but it's no better han the A.

At the risk of upsetting a lot of people the manual focus Smegma 24/2.8 
Superwide II is the best bang for the buck, it's usuable wide open on the 
*ist D, little vignetting on film SLR's until f/4, my A 24/2.8 could only 
just match it by F/8 and then just.

The FA24/2, awesome from f/5.6 - F/11

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Re: Rollovers: need your help

[Cotty]

On 26/1/07, Roman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007
>
>I'd recently changed design of my website, adding image rollovers to 
>show large previews when visitor moves mouse over the thumbnails. I hope 
>I didn't create a mess for Internet Explorer users. Please take a click 
>on above link and tell me if my idea works. It may take few seconds to 
>download larger image preview.
>
>Thank you for your help.


Holy mackerel mate, that's a bag of shite if ever I've seen one!

Mac. 10.4.8 Safari.

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Re: Published...

[Cotty]

On 26/1/07, Juan Buhler, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Hi all,
>
>The current issue of the British Black and White Photography magazine
>has a nice portfolio article about my photos, written by Mike
>Johnston, and including seven of my pictures. There isn't much online,
>but here is a link to their site:
>
>http://www.thegmcgroup.com/item--Black-and-White-Photography--1003BW.html
>
>Despite any resemblances, that's not me in the cover :)

Oh bloody well done mate! About time - your work is stellar. When you
gonna give up that crap day job you've got and make an honest living
selling your pics?? ;-)

BTW, do you use 'control surfaces' at the office? I need someone who
knows about MIDI hardware..

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Re: Comet McNaught - Canon 5D

[Cotty]

On 26/1/07, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Because I never saw a striped sky at night, no matter how much I 
>squinted...

I see no stripes!?  Maybe your monitor? Or maybe some of the pixels are
on the sabbath a day early ;-)

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Re: aliasing/moire

[Peter Lacus]

Just FYI the picture is now available for download at 
http://www.misenet.sk/Pentax/IMGP0076.dng

I'd be happy to see other people's conversions...

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Re: Rollovers: need your help

[mike wilson]

Roman wrote:

> http://roman.blakout.net/?year=2007
> 
> I'd recently changed design of my website, adding image rollovers to 
> show large previews when visitor moves mouse over the thumbnails. I hope 
> I didn't create a mess for Internet Explorer users. Please take a click 
> on above link and tell me if my idea works. It may take few seconds to 
> download larger image preview.
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 
> Roman.
> 
> 
Works on Netscape 7.2  Previews are not central on screen, however, 
meaning that part of them falls off the edge.

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Re: OT: American girl in Italy by Ruth Orkin

[graywolf]

As I recall the model was contrived, the bystanders were candid. I 
imagine she did that little charade on several corners before she got 
what she wanted.


Jens Bladt wrote:
> What is the truth about "American Girl in Italy", which is one of my all
> time favorite photogarphs?
> 
> The New York Times, Sunday April 30, 1995
> Candid or Contrived? The Making of a Classic  by Shaun Considine
> 
> Some of you may know?
> Regards
> Jens Bladt
> 
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Re: Pentax FA28/2.8 AL vs FA35/2 AL lenses: how do they compare?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul,
>
> > The K 28/3.5 might be the sharpest and best resolving 28 of them all.
> > Unfortunately, it's as slow as a crippled mule. But I still use mine.
>
> if 3.5 is slow as a crippled mule, how would you characterize for
> example 16-45/4 zoom?

It's a zoom of course, that implies all sort of optical nastiness and
obesity to boot ;-)

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Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.

[graywolf]

You miss my point, Tom. The proof sheet is to pick the best of a bunch 
of good photos, not to sort the crap from the mediocre, or at least that 
was the way we thought of it in the old days.

Tell me something, Tom, can you look at a print and pretty much tell how 
it was lit? Can you reproduce that lighting with a minimum of 
experimentation? Do you know what types of poses look graceful and which 
do not? For a skinny person? A fat person? How to photography a very 
shiny object without reflections? How to light a large rotunda? Those 
are all questions people on this list have asked, usually with the 
preface, "Some one wants to pay me to do this, how do I do it?"

And then there is the question I've never seen anybody ask, "How do I 
learn to use my camera without even thinking about it?" There are a few 
here on the list that I know can do that, and probably a few more that I 
do not know, but I would guess there are not more than 20-25 out of the 
600+ folks. When you have learned how to do that, you will find that you 
really do not like fiddlely cameras.

Anybody, especially with todays cameras, can shoot 2000 frames of 
something and get 10 decent photos, it is another thing to shoot 10 and 
get those same 10 photos. A really good photographer is not sorting 
diamonds from a pile of rocks, he is sorting flawless diamonds from a 
pile of diamonds.

Don't take the above a put-down, take it as a challenge.



Tom C wrote:
> If I was getting paid for every hour I was doing photography, I suppose a 
> higher perecentage of my shots would also be better.  Since I'm not getting 
> paid for it, and am often in a hurry, on my way to/from a paying job...
> 
> I wasn't suggesting that it was a law of averages, but your words are at 
> odds with what I've heard at least several celebrated photographers say.
> 
> I disagree wholeheartedly with the statement:
> 
>> I guess I do not care who feels insulted, but if every single photo
>> (that you work at making) is not technically and esthetically salable
>> you are not competent.
> 
> How can that be? I write software and am pretty good at it.  It doesn't mean 
> that I can't make a mistake and have the end product not function as 
> designed or envisioned.  Having that be the case does not mean I'm 
> incompetent, simply human.
> 
> I'm not insulted, but I do believe you are wrong.  If what you say is true, 
> there would be no need for proof sheets and editing, and the 'professionals' 
> are the ones who make the most use of them.
> 
> 
> Tom C.
> 
> 
>> From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
>> Subject: Re: OT - Taking Your Photography To The Next Level.
>> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:15:44 -0500
>>
>> As long as we understand that the top photographers toss-outs are better
>> than our best, that is true.
>>
>> It really bothers me that folks think great photographs are a product of
>> averages, of luck. A competent photographer does not produce many duds
>> (as long as he is working at it, if he is old and lazy like me, he gets
>> a lot of them, but not because he doesn't know better).
>>
>> I guess I do not care who feels insulted, but if every single photo
>> (that you work at making) is not technically and esthetically salable
>> you are not competent. Now that does not apply to experimental stuff,
>> that is learning, and goes on forever, but your everyday photography
>> better be pretty damn good if you think you are a photographer.
>>
>> I suggest folks get a Speed Graphic and a Polaroid back. If you think
>> being able to shoot a lot for almost nothing improves your photography,
>> you will be surprised at what knowing that every time you press the
>> button it is going to cost you $2.50-$3.00 ($5.00 with flashbulbs) will
>> do for it.
>>
>> -graywolf
>>
>>
>> Tom C wrote:
>>> I thought it contained some useful reminders.  What he fails to mention
>>> though, is that no matter how good or celebrated a photographer one is, 
>> the
>>> majority of photographs are throwaway and never make the portfolio or 
>> get
>>> exhibited to others.
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Re: manually focusing a DSLR

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, Peter Lacus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> actually it should be the other way around. ;-)

Leica RF did come first, they do make a good match though.

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Re: Pentax FA28/2.8 AL vs FA35/2 AL lenses: how do they compare?

[Peter Lacus]

Paul,

> The K 28/3.5 might be the sharpest and best resolving 28 of them all.  
> Unfortunately, it's as slow as a crippled mule. But I still use mine.

if 3.5 is slow as a crippled mule, how would you characterize for 
example 16-45/4 zoom?

Cheers,

Peter


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Re: Amazing used lens prices

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, John Whittingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > A alternaive is the 24. F2. I simply LOVE it. You'll never regeret getting
> > ove of these.
> > I believe it's the sharpest Petnax lens I have ever owned. It's incredibly
> > good.
>
> Indeed, that's why I sold the A 24 f/2.8

LOL, I sold my A 24f/2.8, bought on FA24/2 wasn't happy, bought
another, so then I had two, still wasn't happy, sold both FA24/2,
bought another A 24f/2.8, mostly happy now. I still don't understand
why the FA24/2 often gets such rave reviews.

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Re: Eneloop batteries on DS or Flash?

[Digital Image Studio]

On 27/01/07, Brian Walters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Quick question
>
> Do Eneloops require a special charger of can they be charged on a standard 
> NiMH charger?

They are still Ni-HM chemistry so any charger capable of managing
Ni-HM batteries will do, though to optimize performance you're best
off using a charger that charges each cell independently rather than
in sets of two or four.

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