Re: FID (Film is Dead)

2007-08-09 Thread mike wilson
Malcolm Smith wrote:
 John Sessoms wrote:
 
 
I use both digital and film. I do so because -BOTH- fill 
some desire, some need I have for capturing an image. And I'm 
not alone.
 
 
 You're not, but at times you'd think you were. I know that when I use a film
 camera where other people are using cameras, I'm usually (read 99% of the
 time) the only film user. I also don't particularly like the comments that
 some folk make about 'updating to digital' to me as though I'd never heard
 of such a thing and or imagined film might be a choice for me. Or maybe it
 is that unusual now?

I like being different. 8-)

WRT being told about digital, I've started explaining, as you would to 
a child, that I have big hands and therefore couldn't possibly consider 
downsizing.

 
 A real dinosaur user of slide film; yet I love the wait for my processed
 film to return. At the same time I love my *ist D as a replacement for
 colour print film and the million and one other uses I'm sure I said I'd
 never use it for - and have and never regretted.
 
 There is still one film camera I'd like, but strangely in this digital
 world, prices of film cameras haven't plunged to nothing yet by some way.
 I'd also like a K10D - but other than 'would like one', I can't think of a
 convincing reason to get one, although I suspect the K10D will slip in price
 first!

I was looking at the Samsung version yesterday.  Just over £400 with the 
18-55.  _Much_ more robust and serious-looking (if you get my drift) 
that the equivalent-priced competition.

 
 So here we are in the latter part of 2007 and still film and digital have a
 home here. I suspect how long it remains so will be more down to supply and
 cost of slide film.

Ditto.  I have taken the precaution of laying in a few years' supply and 
buying a processor.

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Norm's Due

2007-08-09 Thread Cotty
My cell phone went off at some ungodly hour but by the time I reached it
downstairs it had diverted to ansaphone.

Norm, you are so gonna get your come-uppance mate.

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Re: Norm's Due

2007-08-09 Thread David Savage
Congratulations Norm!

How many weeks?

Cheers,

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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread David Mann
On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:42 AM, David Savage wrote:

 The one on the left is the FA* 300mm f4.5  the other is the FA*  
 200mm f2.8.

I have that 200 and the F* version of the 300.  Both are very nice  
lenses :)

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Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread David Bliss
So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital.

Solutoin: medium format.  But what?

Hasselblad makes the sexiest gear I've ever seen.  But I can't afford it even
used.

I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all, isn't neg
area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.  It sounds like
it requires a tripod bigger than God and MLU for every shot.  Flash sync sucks
at only 1/30.   No hotshoe for my level.  
Pluses: waist-level finder (apparently not a great one).


645: 
less neg.
fixed prism -- no WL finder

looks more like a hassy :)
data imprinting (a must) 
less need for mlu/tripods/etc
focus confirm on manual lenses
uses 67 lenses
Maybe a 645D in the future -- yeah right.

So:

Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other benefits
of the 645?  Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?

Or should I go to a 6x6 view camera with the idea of robbing a bank for a 
digital back?

But only P67/P645 will play with my existing bodies...

Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, or tips appreciated.

I really wanted a waist-level finder...


Thanks,
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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread David Savage
On 8/9/07, David Bliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all, isn't neg
 area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.

I have always liked the look of the Mamiya RF medium format cameras:

http://www.mamiya.com/cameras.asp?id=1id2=24

I don't know if they have all the features your after, but it's a
sweet looking camera :-)

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Re: PESO: YACCP...

2007-08-09 Thread AlunFoto
IIRC, the PESO term emerged around May 2004. Just before Adelheid and
I met up at Newark Airport for our Eastern USA Grand Tour.

But as much I would like to take credit for coining it, I'm pretty
sure I didn't...

If Shel wasn't the culprit, I'd wager a bet that it was some other
North American. Preferrably one with a weak spot for acronyms. Collin
Brendemuehl, maybe? Tom Cakalic? William Robb?

Anyone with time to spare could look in the archives, I guess... :-)

Jostein


2007/8/8, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 In a message dated 8/8/2007 6:44:13 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 I think PESO has been current  on a couple of the Leica groups for some
 time, (though it's possible that  Jostein coined it anew here).


 
 Shel Belinkoff  introduced PAWs to this list, taking it from the Leica
 list/group. I am not sure  who coined PESOs, might have been Jostein (I 
 thought it
 was frank, actually).  Anyway, someone said they didn't want to do PAWs (one a
 week) so they would do  PESOs (every so often).

 And most took it up. PAWs are too much work. :-)  It's quite possible that
 PESO went from here back to them, rather than the other  way around.

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RE: FID (Film is Dead)

2007-08-09 Thread Malcolm Smith
mike wilson wrote:

 I like being different. 8-)
 
 WRT being told about digital, I've started explaining, as 
 you would to 
 a child, that I have big hands and therefore couldn't 
 possibly consider 
 downsizing.

LOL! Taking still, rather than motion film (via the proper equipment or
mobile 'phone handsets) probably sets anyone apart as different anyway!

 I was looking at the Samsung version yesterday.  Just over 
 £400 with the 
 18-55.  _Much_ more robust and serious-looking (if you get my drift) 
 that the equivalent-priced competition.

I hadn't looked at the prices of Pentax or rivals for some months until this
morning, given your comments above. I've been very surprised at what's out
there and particularly surprised at the current K10D prices. I think my
flexible friend may be tempted to become a little more brittle. This was a
very bad thing to do this morning.
 
 Ditto.  I have taken the precaution of laying in a few years' 
 supply and 
 buying a processor.

Sounds a good move and savings on bulk film purchase. I'd do the same if I
had any space left at all in the freezer/house.

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what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Henk Terhell
Having waited half a year for a new Metz flash unit having P-TTL, the
announced dedicated Mecablitz 58 AF-1 with USB is not offered anywhere
around here. The Metz SCA system is no longer useful for P-TTL. My
current Metz TTL unit, which I have to use in A-mode on the K10D, gives
many miss hits and is not very useful for fill-in flash. Sigma doesn't
show the K10D P-TTL on their lists. So that leaves only the Pentax AF
540FGZ or the 360FGZ to choice from?

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Re: PESO -- Mews, Stony Creek

2007-08-09 Thread AlunFoto
2007/8/7, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 cognoscenti: Those who know

Those who know the scent, aka mr. Bean: Vote Bean - You nose it makes sense?

 cognesnotty: The stringy material that forms in the nasal passages of Those
 who know.

Cognocementi: The same material three weeks later.

Duh. :-)

Jostein

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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Chris Stoddart

 On 8/9/07, David Bliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all, isn't neg
 area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.

 I have always liked the look of the Mamiya RF medium format cameras:

I have a friend with one of these. It's seriously light next to my P67 
and hence much more portable. The only drawbacks seem to be: 
1) it's a rangefinder so you are not looking through the lens (and all 
that that implies from parallax probs to trying to use ND grads)
2) lenses aren't as cheap or common secondhand as P67 ones
I'd have one as a travel medium format if I could justify the cost of the 
lenses (Robert White in the UK is selling off new kits for 950 GBP +tax 
http://www.robertwhite.co.uk).

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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Sylwester Pietrzyk
On 2007-08-09, at 09:46, David Bliss wrote:

 Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other  
 benefits
 of the 645?  Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?

 Or should I go to a 6x6 view camera with the idea of robbing a bank  
 for a
 digital back?

 But only P67/P645 will play with my existing bodies...
Ask yourself if you really need enlargments as big as it is possible  
from 67? If not - take 645 which will be still huge improvement over  
35 mm (2.7 x bigger frame area), and will act like a just big SLR (it  
is no bigger and heavier than pro 35 mm SLRs like Nikon F5) and it is  
perfectly handholdable (mirror shock is very, very nicely damped,  
much better than in Mamiya 645 bodies see test here: http://luminous- 
landscape.com/reviews/cameras/645-mlu.shtml). And last but not least  
- 35 mm lens considered as the best in MF - Jostein has tested it and  
despite being MF glass it was about as good as FA 31 Ltd. More you'll  
find here:
http://medfmt.8k.com/
http://www.kcat.zaq.ne.jp/p645/index.html (Japanese only...)
http://luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/645nii.shtml

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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
The Sigma 500 Super is compatible with the K10D but not particularly  
reliable. The Pentax AF 540 FGZ is a solid performer. An external  
battery pack is also available.
Paul
On Aug 9, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

 Having waited half a year for a new Metz flash unit having P-TTL, the
 announced dedicated Mecablitz 58 AF-1 with USB is not offered anywhere
 around here. The Metz SCA system is no longer useful for P-TTL. My
 current Metz TTL unit, which I have to use in A-mode on the K10D,  
 gives
 many miss hits and is not very useful for fill-in flash. Sigma doesn't
 show the K10D P-TTL on their lists. So that leaves only the Pentax AF
 540FGZ or the 360FGZ to choice from?

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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Paul Stenquist
You can get high speed flash synch with either of the Pentax 67 leaf  
shutter lenses (165/4LS and 90/2.8LS). The camera works well  
handheld. I've shot at 1/30th of a second with mine, no problem. You  
would want a solid tripod for serious work. It is a big camera. On  
the other hand, a 645 might be a better investment if Pentax really  
does introduce a digital 645. Both can be purchased for peanuts now  
as there are far more sellers than buyers.
Paul
On Aug 9, 2007, at 3:46 AM, David Bliss wrote:

 So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital.

 Solutoin: medium format.  But what?

 Hasselblad makes the sexiest gear I've ever seen.  But I can't  
 afford it even
 used.

 I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all,  
 isn't neg
 area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.  It  
 sounds like
 it requires a tripod bigger than God and MLU for every shot.  Flash  
 sync sucks
 at only 1/30.   No hotshoe for my level.
 Pluses: waist-level finder (apparently not a great one).


 645:
 less neg.
 fixed prism -- no WL finder

 looks more like a hassy :)
 data imprinting (a must)
 less need for mlu/tripods/etc
 focus confirm on manual lenses
 uses 67 lenses
 Maybe a 645D in the future -- yeah right.

 So:

 Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other  
 benefits
 of the 645?  Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?

 Or should I go to a 6x6 view camera with the idea of robbing a bank  
 for a
 digital back?

 But only P67/P645 will play with my existing bodies...

 Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, or tips appreciated.

 I really wanted a waist-level finder...


 Thanks,
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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Toralf Lund
David Bliss wrote:
 So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital.

 Solutoin: medium format.  But what?

 Hasselblad makes the sexiest gear I've ever seen.  But I can't afford it even
 used.

 I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all, isn't neg
 area the name of the game?  [ ... ]
 Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, or tips appreciated.
   
Personally, I must say I'm tempted to get one of the MF cameras from 
eastern Europe, just for fun. A Pentacon Six, perhaps, although if one 
likes Hasselblads, maybe the Kiev 66 will seem nicer.

Not sure if those are any good for the use you intend, but then again, 
buying one on eBay isn't really a great investment, if you know what I'm 
saying...

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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Loveday
 Having waited half a year for a new Metz flash unit having P-TTL, the
 announced dedicated Mecablitz 58 AF-1 with USB is not offered anywhere
 around here.

I'm waiting for one of these too.  I'll likely get a 58AF-1 P/S when they 
actually show up.  Does anyone else have one of these yet?

The Metz SCA system is no longer useful for P-TTL. My
 current Metz TTL unit, which I have to use in A-mode on the K10D, gives
 many miss hits and is not very useful for fill-in flash.

The Metz SCA 3702M2 is P-TTL compatible.  If you can find one yet.  Note 
though, you do need certain flashes for it to work.  Firstly, it needs to be 
SCA 3002 system, and possibly only certain models in that range.  I have a 
54MZ-4, which I understand is supported, as well as 50MZ-5 and 40MZ-1 which 
are both not (as they are SCA 3000).  If in doubt, check with Metz.

Sigma doesn't show the K10D P-TTL on their lists.

I wouldn't personally look at a Sigma flash; too many issues with 
compatibility.  Though as I understand it they do worth with the K10D now.

So that leaves only the Pentax AF
 540FGZ or the 360FGZ to choice from?

The big killer (for me personally) with the Pentax units is the lack of 'A' 
mode on K10D (or other PTTL(/TLL?) cameras).  This may or may not be 
important to you.

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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Roberts
David Bliss wrote:

I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all, isn't 
neg area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the 
camera.  

You won't be able to see it when your eye's at the viewfinder ;-)

It sounds like it requires a tripod bigger than God and MLU for 
every shot.  

Pretty much. SOme people report success with hand-holding, but I 
wouldn't if I were going to make critically-shatp, big enlargements 
(and isn't that the major reason for going to MF?)

Flash sync sucks at only 1/30.  

You can get leaf shutter lenses for both the 67 and 645.

 No hotshoe for my level.  
Pluses: waist-level finder (apparently not a great one).


645: less neg., fixed prism -- no WL finder

looks more like a hassy :)
data imprinting (a must) 
less need for mlu/tripods/etc
focus confirm on manual lenses
uses 67 lenses
Maybe a 645D in the future -- yeah right.

So:

Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other 
benefits of the 645?  

You'd have to be making *really* huge enlargements to see any 
difference due to the negative size, IMO. This shouldn't be a major 
consideration.

Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?

They're really different animals, I think. (Get both!)

Seriously, I love my Pentax 645. You can get one quite inexpensively. 
And if the 645D does appear (and it looks like it's likely), all your 
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Re: DA Lenses, Entrance Pupil

2007-08-09 Thread Toine
The poster also posted this:
Please take note that for six shots and 17 mm, the NPP is some
millimeters backwards from the shown position.
To put it simply: the NPP is about fixed from 10 mm (four shots
around) to 17 mm (six shots around).

On 8/9/07, Toine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I found this on the panotools list:
 http://michel.thoby.free.fr/Tokina_10_17/NPP-Tokina.jpg

 On 8/8/07, jon carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi All,
  I've been using a couple DA lenses in panoramic shots
  and was hoping to compare the results of my experiment
  to determine the location of the entrance pubil of two
  lenses:
 
  DA 40 f/2.8 Limited
  DA Fisheye Zoom 10-17
 
  I'm using a K10D and Nodal Ninja. The 40 seems to like
  a 62mm offset from the rot. axis and the Fisheye
  (@17mm) seems to like a 90mm offset. Has anyone out
  there using these lenses in pano's found similar
  results?
 
  TIA,
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Re: DA Lenses, Entrance Pupil

2007-08-09 Thread Toine
I found this on the panotools list:
http://michel.thoby.free.fr/Tokina_10_17/NPP-Tokina.jpg

On 8/8/07, jon carver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,
 I've been using a couple DA lenses in panoramic shots
 and was hoping to compare the results of my experiment
 to determine the location of the entrance pubil of two
 lenses:

 DA 40 f/2.8 Limited
 DA Fisheye Zoom 10-17

 I'm using a K10D and Nodal Ninja. The 40 seems to like
 a 62mm offset from the rot. axis and the Fisheye
 (@17mm) seems to like a 90mm offset. Has anyone out
 there using these lenses in pano's found similar
 results?

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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread David Savage
On 8/9/07, Peter Loveday [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The big killer (for me personally) with the Pentax units is the lack of 'A'
 mode on K10D (or other PTTL(/TLL?) cameras).  This may or may not be
 important to you.

Can't you just put the camera in manual mode an set the flash to it's A mode?

I have the AF540FGZ, but I've not tried using it this way.

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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread Doug Franklin
David Mann wrote:
 On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:42 AM, David Savage wrote:
 
 The one on the left is the FA* 300mm f4.5  the other is the FA*  
 200mm f2.8.
 
 I have that 200 and the F* version of the 300.  Both are very nice  
 lenses :)

I agree.  The FA* 200/2.8 is the sharpest lens I've ever owned, and the
F* 300/4.5 doesn't suffer too badly in comparison to it, either.

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Re: Norm's Due

2007-08-09 Thread David J Brooks
He's going for a world record, me thinks

Dave

On 8/9/07, Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My cell phone went off at some ungodly hour but by the time I reached it
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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread David J Brooks
I agree with Paul, it can be handheld quite well, and the LS lernses
will allow greater flash.

Aaron Reynolds has shown me several hand held large enlargements that
are unbelievable sharp.

Dave

On 8/9/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 You can get high speed flash synch with either of the Pentax 67 leaf
 shutter lenses (165/4LS and 90/2.8LS). The camera works well
 handheld. I've shot at 1/30th of a second with mine, no problem. You
 would want a solid tripod for serious work. It is a big camera. On
 the other hand, a 645 might be a better investment if Pentax really
 does introduce a digital 645. Both can be purchased for peanuts now
 as there are far more sellers than buyers.
 Paul
 On Aug 9, 2007, at 3:46 AM, David Bliss wrote:

  So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital.
 
  Solutoin: medium format.  But what?
 
  Hasselblad makes the sexiest gear I've ever seen.  But I can't
  afford it even
  used.
 
  I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all,
  isn't neg
  area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.  It
  sounds like
  it requires a tripod bigger than God and MLU for every shot.  Flash
  sync sucks
  at only 1/30.   No hotshoe for my level.
  Pluses: waist-level finder (apparently not a great one).
 
 
  645:
  less neg.
  fixed prism -- no WL finder
 
  looks more like a hassy :)
  data imprinting (a must)
  less need for mlu/tripods/etc
  focus confirm on manual lenses
  uses 67 lenses
  Maybe a 645D in the future -- yeah right.
 
  So:
 
  Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other
  benefits
  of the 645?  Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?
 
  Or should I go to a 6x6 view camera with the idea of robbing a bank
  for a
  digital back?
 
  But only P67/P645 will play with my existing bodies...
 
  Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, or tips appreciated.
 
  I really wanted a waist-level finder...
 
 
  Thanks,
  david
 
 
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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Henk Terhell wrote:

Having waited half a year for a new Metz flash unit having P-TTL, the
announced dedicated Mecablitz 58 AF-1 with USB is not offered anywhere
around here. The Metz SCA system is no longer useful for P-TTL. My
current Metz TTL unit, which I have to use in A-mode on the K10D, gives
many miss hits and is not very useful for fill-in flash. Sigma doesn't
show the K10D P-TTL on their lists. 

The lists must be outdated. I use the Sigma EF500 DG Super with my K10D 
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Re: PESO -- Warning! No lifegaurd on duty!

2007-08-09 Thread Brian Walters
I assume that's not sand in the foreground


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Quoting P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Looking for a way to cool off, I found this, taken a couple of
 winters ago.
 
  http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20notonduty.html
 
 Equipment:  Pentax *ist-D/smc Pentax 20-35mm f4.0 AL
 
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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread Brian Walters
Well, that makes two Dave's that I officially hate. 

:-)



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Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:42 AM, David Savage wrote:
 
  The one on the left is the FA* 300mm f4.5  the other is the FA* 
 
  200mm f2.8.
 
 I have that 200 and the F* version of the 300.  Both are very nice 
 
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PESO - Blues Singer

2007-08-09 Thread frank theriault
My PESO Jazz Trumpeter was of my friend Tim Hamel.  Like every jazz
guy I know, he plays in several bands, some jazz, some not.

The aforementioned photo of Tim was taken as he was playing in Laura
Hubert's band.  She's a wonderful Blues/Jazz singer (note I put
blues first) based here in Toronto.

I hope her sense of humour comes out in this photo:

http://tinyurl.com/28msse

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrnLQbMIuBI/AiY/gXHLKIX4h6Q/s1600-h/aug_8+002.jpg

Comments always welcome.

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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread frank theriault
On 8/8/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just thought I'd share a pic of my 2 latest acquisitions:

 http://picasaweb.google.com.au/OzSavage/Misc/photo?authkey=TrIZRqTedfw#5096302903933877682

 Now all I need is some clear weather to give them a good workout.


Binoculars for Marty Feldman?

cheers,
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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 09/08/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I agree.  The FA* 200/2.8 is the sharpest lens I've ever owned, and the
 F* 300/4.5 doesn't suffer too badly in comparison to it, either.

I love my FA*200/2.8 and I suspect David loved my lens too, thankfully
now he has his very own ;-)

If the F8200/4.5s weren't so damned expensive now I'd have picked one
up, my A*300/2.8 is just too big and heavy most of the time.

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Re: I really really hate my Epson or...

2007-08-09 Thread keith_w
Bruce Dayton wrote:
 My experience with Epson printers (4 of them) is that the expensive
 ones are marvelous.  The cheap ones are crap.  I threw out two cheap
 ones behaving pretty much like yours (only I got about 1 year out of
 them first).  So I concur to throw it out and then decide what to
 replace it with.  If you are not willing to spend at least $400 for a
 new one, get an HP or Canon instead.
 

I concur.
I threw an Epson 820 out, which had replaced another Epson. Mostly clogging 
ink problems.
I eventually ended up with a Canon PIXMA iP3000 bubble jet printer, and 
couldn't be happier!
First time I'd ever used a bubble jet printer. Most happy fella!

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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread keith_w
frank theriault wrote:
 On 8/8/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Just thought I'd share a pic of my 2 latest acquisitions:

 http://picasaweb.google.com.au/OzSavage/Misc/photo?authkey=TrIZRqTedfw#5096302903933877682

 Now all I need is some clear weather to give them a good workout.


 Binoculars for Marty Feldman?
 
 cheers,
 frank

Oooo! Good one, Frank!  B-)

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Re: PESO -- Mews, Stony Creek

2007-08-09 Thread frank theriault
On 8/7/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/stonycreek/mews.html

 Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

I like the photo.  Nice choice of focal length, I like the muted colours.

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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread David Savage
On 8/9/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 frank theriault wrote:
  On 8/8/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Just thought I'd share a pic of my 2 latest acquisitions:
 
  http://picasaweb.google.com.au/OzSavage/Misc/photo?authkey=TrIZRqTedfw#5096302903933877682
 
  Now all I need is some clear weather to give them a good workout.


  Binoculars for Marty Feldman?
 
  cheers,
  frank

 Oooo! Good one, Frank!  B-)

 keith

LOL

You guy's are doing a good job of making me feel young :-)

I had to google Marty Feldman to figure that one out.

Cheers,

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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Rick Womer
I have used my twice-updated Sigma on my K10D,
on-camera and wirelessly, without problems so far.

Rick


 Henk Terhell wrote:
 
 
 The lists must be outdated. I use the Sigma EF500 DG
 Super with my K10D 
 with excellent results. I believe the latest
 versions even support 
 off-camera wireless operation, though I haven't
 looked into getting 
 mine updated since I almost never need that
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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: David Bliss
Subject: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?


 So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital.

 Solutoin: medium format.  But what?

Hassy and Rollei lenses are about the best you can get, many of them surpass 
the best 35mm format lenses for resolution. The Pentax 645 lenses are very 
good indeed, 6x7 lenses are not showing the high resolution numbers, but the 
bigger neg makes up for a lot of that.
I have 11x14 prints from 6x7 negs hanging beside prints from 4x5 negs (shot 
with good Nikkor lenses), and can't really tell any difference. I think at 
16x20 or larger you might see the 4x5 advantage.

The 6x7 is noisy, but not shaky. You can balance an American nickel on the 
focusing screen of a leveled 6x7 and trip the shutter, no mirror lock up 
used, without knocking the coin over.
It's that smooth.
I think Scott Loveless has a video on his website proving it.
I never really missed a high sync speed, even using the 6x7 as a wedding 
camera. There are always workarounds that can be used.

A friend of mine shoots with Hasselblad. I did some prints for him when I 
was running my custom darkroom and was very impressed with the sharpness of 
the negatives. The lenses are pretty incredible.

The 6x7 waist level finder is about on par with every other waist level 
finder I have seen, better than some, not as good as some, about as good as 
most, but certainly usable, and the prism finders are very good indeed. You 
can also get a chimney finder for the 6x7 that works very well.

Consider what you will be doing with the camera.
If you are shooting in the studio, you won't miss the high sync speed (on 
the 6x7), but if you are going to insist on trying outdoor fill flash, you 
will either curse the thing from time to time, or will seek out the LS 
lenses to allow high sync speeds, and then curse the slow operation.
The 645 is only a stop faster for shutter sync, IIRC, while the Hassy will 
sync up to 1/500 with all lenses.
If you are primarily a landscape photographer, consider giving medium format 
a pass altogether, and go straight to large format.
I find getting sufficient depth of field to be easy with 4x5, sometimes 
impossible with 6x7, and while I haven't used a 645 for many years, I don't 
think that it would be all that much better in this regard, the lenses 
aren't that much shorter for any given AOV.

You will find that the 645 wants to be on a tripod sooner than a 6x7, though 
both are more handholdable than 35mm or digital.
If you are doing your own printing, you might not like how 645 negs run 
through an enlarger (I don't).
If you are buying a camera based on looks over performance, then consider a 
wood field camera, they look gorgeous, and actually perform fairly well, 
whough not as well as a monorail (which are not gorgeous).


William Robb




 Hasselblad makes the sexiest gear I've ever seen.  But I can't afford it 
 even
 used.

 I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all, isn't neg
 area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.  It sounds 
 like
 it requires a tripod bigger than God and MLU for every shot.  Flash sync 
 sucks
 at only 1/30.   No hotshoe for my level.
 Pluses: waist-level finder (apparently not a great one).


 645:
 less neg.
 fixed prism -- no WL finder

 looks more like a hassy :)
 data imprinting (a must)
 less need for mlu/tripods/etc
 focus confirm on manual lenses
 uses 67 lenses
 Maybe a 645D in the future -- yeah right.

 So:

 Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other benefits
 of the 645?  Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?

 Or should I go to a 6x6 view camera with the idea of robbing a bank for a
 digital back?

 But only P67/P645 will play with my existing bodies...

 Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, or tips appreciated.

 I really wanted a waist-level finder...


 Thanks,
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Re: PESO - Cabbagetown Cat

2007-08-09 Thread frank theriault
On 8/8/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 love it
 ann

Ann, Ken,

Thanks!

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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread David Savage
What have Mr Brooks  Mr Mann done to earn that?

...oh...you mean...

Cheers,

Dave

On 8/9/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, that makes two Dave's that I officially hate.

 :-)



 Cheers

 Brian

 Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:42 AM, David Savage wrote:
 
   The one on the left is the FA* 300mm f4.5  the other is the FA*
 
   200mm f2.8.
 
  I have that 200 and the F* version of the 300.  Both are very nice
 
  lenses :)
 
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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Scott Loveless
William Robb wrote:
 The 6x7 is noisy, but not shaky. You can balance an American nickel on the 
 focusing screen of a leveled 6x7 and trip the shutter, no mirror lock up 
 used, without knocking the coin over.
 It's that smooth.
 I think Scott Loveless has a video on his website proving it.
 I never really missed a high sync speed, even using the 6x7 as a wedding 
 camera. There are always workarounds that can be used.


 William Robb

   
I went ahead and threw it up at pdmlpug.org.  Seems like a decent enough 
place to keep it.  http://pdmlpug.org/?page_id=12

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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Gonz
What are you going to use it for?  If landscape, then take a look at
one alternative you can do right now:

http://www.tawbaware.com/maxlyons/gigapixel.htm



On 8/9/07, David Bliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital.

 Solutoin: medium format.  But what?

 Hasselblad makes the sexiest gear I've ever seen.  But I can't afford it even
 used.

 I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all, isn't neg
 area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.  It sounds like
 it requires a tripod bigger than God and MLU for every shot.  Flash sync sucks
 at only 1/30.   No hotshoe for my level.
 Pluses: waist-level finder (apparently not a great one).


 645:
 less neg.
 fixed prism -- no WL finder

 looks more like a hassy :)
 data imprinting (a must)
 less need for mlu/tripods/etc
 focus confirm on manual lenses
 uses 67 lenses
 Maybe a 645D in the future -- yeah right.

 So:

 Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other benefits
 of the 645?  Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?

 Or should I go to a 6x6 view camera with the idea of robbing a bank for a
 digital back?

 But only P67/P645 will play with my existing bodies...

 Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, or tips appreciated.

 I really wanted a waist-level finder...


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Re: PESO - Jazz Trumpet revisited

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/8/2007 12:57:34 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Here's Godfrey's  rendering of the PESO that I posted a few days  ago:

http://tinyurl.com/2chjnt

http://bp3.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrocN7MIuFI/Ai4/AteeVPuAhNU/s1600-
h/tim_hamel-gdg.jpg

I  like it - hope you do to.

Thanks, Godfrey!

Comments on this  cleaned up version are  welcome.

cheers,
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I like it  better with the lines in back (ceiling, walls), but I would have 
cropped off  more of the ceiling which I think Godfrey has done. It works to 
cover up the  noise, if that is what you want.

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Re: Recently Enabled

2007-08-09 Thread David J Brooks
On 8/9/07, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What have Mr Brooks  Mr Mann done to earn that?

Must be a Nikon thing.:-)

Dave

 ...oh...you mean...

 Cheers,

 Dave

 On 8/9/07, Brian Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, that makes two Dave's that I officially hate.
 
  :-)
 
 
 
  Cheers
 
  Brian
 
  Quoting David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 
   On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:42 AM, David Savage wrote:
  
The one on the left is the FA* 300mm f4.5  the other is the FA*
  
200mm f2.8.
  
   I have that 200 and the F* version of the 300.  Both are very nice
  
   lenses :)
  
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Re: PESO -- Mews, Stony Creek

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/9/2007 7:17:07 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On 8/7/07, P. J. Alling  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/stonycreek/mews.html

  Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

  As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

I like the  photo.  Nice choice of focal length, I like the muted  colours.

cheers,
frank


Ditto, though I might  crop the left a bit too, my eye goes to it. 
Distracting. Actually, I am not  quite sure what I am looking at. It looks like 
high, 
high density living.  

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Re: PESO -- Warning! No lifegaurd on duty!

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/8/2007 12:26:53 P.M.  Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Looking for a way to  cool off, I found this, taken a couple of winters  ago.

http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20notonduty.html

Equipment:   Pentax *ist-D/smc Pentax 20-35mm f4.0 AL


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Re: POG - Minority review

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/7/2007 2:25:21 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Effectively it actually isn't  democracy at all, because only a
minority is allowed to vote. The minority  that happens to be the first
10 (or so)  to review one particular photo.  Those who frequently log
on and cast votes will have much more influence than  the occasional
submitter.

All of this will radically change WHICH  images are selected. I can't
see how it is supposed to be a good and  purposeful sifting, but maybe
I'm overly skeptic.

Anyone care to speak  up for the other side?


Best,
Jostein
===
No. I don't  like it either. I don't have that many Pentax photos, so I 
didn't plan on  submitting. Now that I am taking more with Pentax, I also don't 
plan on  submitting, though the idea crossed my mind. 

1. I don't consider myself  good enough. 

2. I think peers would say I am not good enough. That  makes me unhappy. 

3. But mostly I don't feel like giving away my  images, and I have no need 
to do that to bolster up Pentax. (I don't want to get  into a copyright 
discussion here, I am aware I would retain copyright. But I  want to pick and 
choose 
where I display my own photos, and right now I just do  it on my own site and 
I am happy with that. Actually I have stopped updating my  gallery, because I 
now want to stick a copyright notices on my pics and I need  to figure out 
how to do it.) Also I am a two system person, and I like my Canon  stuff just 
as 
much as my Pentax stuff, or more, and I am not big brands names  anyway -- in 
any venue, that is why I don't feel I need to bolster up Pentax.  Many 
really, when this gallery started, contributed just to do that. So since #3  is 
my 
primary motivation, I am not totally sure how much the peer review has  turned 
me off.

I know the peer review has turned me off, but not sure how  much.

Sharing PESOs on list is different, nothing stops me showing them  on list. 
People like them or they don't. shrug But I can still show  them, no judges 
or peers are around saying I can't. 

I guess I have to  add in all honestly, I have never liked contests or 
anything that remotely  approaches a contest in a creative venue. This applies 
to 
things that are not  photography-related at all. I am somewhat famous for 
having this attitude (or  I was once, no longer, because it's been years since 
I 
voiced it) in completely  different Net venue. I think competitiveness can 
stifle  creativity.

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Re: PESO - Blues Singer

2007-08-09 Thread David J Brooks
I like. Shows the happy side

Dave

On 8/9/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My PESO Jazz Trumpeter was of my friend Tim Hamel.  Like every jazz
 guy I know, he plays in several bands, some jazz, some not.

 The aforementioned photo of Tim was taken as he was playing in Laura
 Hubert's band.  She's a wonderful Blues/Jazz singer (note I put
 blues first) based here in Toronto.

 I hope her sense of humour comes out in this photo:

 http://tinyurl.com/28msse

 http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrnLQbMIuBI/AiY/gXHLKIX4h6Q/s1600-h/aug_8+002.jpg

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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Erickson
David Bliss wrote:
 So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital. 

 Solutoin: medium format.  But what? 


Different MF cameras are best for different applications.  You can really 
help the various camera/photo experts around here if you provide more 
information.  For example: 

o) What kind of photography do you want to
   do with a MF camera?  Street?  Landscape?
   People?  In the studio?  Outside?  Action?
   Still life? 

o) What focal lengths do you want to use?
   Really wide angle?  Wide angle?  Normal?
   Short tele?  Long tele? 

o) How important are interchangeable lenses? 

o) How important are interchangeable backs? 

o) How fast do you want to work? 

o) What style of interface do you want/need?
   Waist level? SLR? Rangefinder?  View Camera?
o) Is autofocus important to you? 

o) How cost-sensitive are you? 

For example, if you want a system with a variety of lenses and SLR  
handling, then you'll want to consider the Pentax 645N and Mamiya 645AF 
systems. 

If compactness and lens interchangeabity are important and a rangefinder 
interface is ok, then you can look at the Mamiya 6/7/7II and Bronica RF645 
systems. 

If you want a studio system, then all kinds of systems fit the bill (Hassy, 
Bronica, Mamiya Pentax 645 or 67, Rollei, etc.) 

and on, and on, and on. 

Refine you needs/desires and the dizzying variety of choices will narrow 
down to something reasonable 

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Re: PESO - Blues Singer

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/9/2007 6:05:32 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
My PESO Jazz Trumpeter was of  my friend Tim Hamel.  Like every jazz
guy I know, he plays in several  bands, some jazz, some not.

The aforementioned photo of Tim was taken as  he was playing in Laura
Hubert's band.  She's a wonderful Blues/Jazz  singer (note I put
blues first) based here in Toronto.

I hope her  sense of humour comes out in this  photo:

http://tinyurl.com/28msse

http://bp0.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RrnLQbMIuBI/AiY/gXHLKIX4h6Q/s1600-
h/aug_8+002.jpg

Comments  always welcome.

cheers,
frank

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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
Mark, I've been putting off using my 2 year old Sigma DG Super on my K10D, 
thinking it had to be updated.
How old is your unit?
I understand there is an update available from Sigma but haven't sent mine 
in yet.
Is wireless usage the only feature you're aware of that's missing when used 
on the K10D?

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


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 Henk Terhell wrote:

Having waited half a year for a new Metz flash unit having P-TTL, the
announced dedicated Mecablitz 58 AF-1 with USB is not offered anywhere
around here. The Metz SCA system is no longer useful for P-TTL. My
current Metz TTL unit, which I have to use in A-mode on the K10D, gives
many miss hits and is not very useful for fill-in flash. Sigma doesn't
show the K10D P-TTL on their lists.

 The lists must be outdated. I use the Sigma EF500 DG Super with my K10D
 with excellent results. I believe the latest versions even support
 off-camera wireless operation, though I haven't looked into getting
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Re: PESO 2007 - 33e - GDG

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/8/2007 4:44:37 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The theme continues to develop  ...

http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/33e.htm

Comments, critique,  etc always appreciated.

enjoy
Godfrey
www.gdgphoto.com

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Almost too much going on, actually, my  eye bounces around. But I like it. I 
like what she is wearing. :-) I like it  more than I've liked some of your 
other cafe life shots. Seems real slice of  life.

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Re: PESO: YACCP...

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/9/2007 1:59:40 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
IIRC, the PESO term emerged around  May 2004. Just before Adelheid and
I met up at Newark Airport for our Eastern  USA Grand Tour.

But as much I would like to take credit for coining it,  I'm pretty
sure I didn't...

If Shel wasn't the culprit, I'd wager a  bet that it was some other
North American. Preferrably one with a weak spot  for acronyms. Collin
Brendemuehl, maybe? Tom Cakalic? William  Robb?

Anyone with time to spare could look in the archives, I guess...  :-)

Jostein


==
Too much trouble for me (searching  archives). Shel could have introduced 
PESOs at the same time he introduced PAWs.  But I have a vague memory someone 
on 
list came up with. OTOH, I could be totally  wrong. It could have been GESO 
that was coined by someone on list.

Boy,  sometimes memories hoover, huh?

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Re: I really really hate my Epson or...

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/8/2007 5:38:13 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who knows.

I'm just  really really mad at this printer right now.

Cory
who needed to make  like three prints for his daughter for a homework 
assignment on the first  day of school and failed miserably.


I had a 925 for  years, mine apparently clogged less than many others' do. It 
helps (almost  required) to print a print at least once a month. I liked mine 
a lot and  recently sold it on ebay (well about 4-5 months ago). 

The person who  bought it from me was so worried it would arrive to him 
completely clogged and  unusable, that I promised I would make sure it wasn't 
before I sent it. I had  been sitting around for about 5-6 months since I 
bought my 
Epson R1800 (which I  really love, more than I really liked my 925), so he 
was right to worry. But  since I had had no major problems with the printer, I 
plowed forward.

I  thought I'd be able to clear the heads (head cleaning, then nozzle check) 
in  about 4-5 tries. It took me closer to 10 tries (almost despairing near the 
end  that it wasn't going to work), then it was fine. I kept at it because I 
really  had had no major problems with it and it was a sturdy printer.

Now I try  to use my Epson R1800 on a regular basis, much more regularly than 
I used the  925. I also don't turn it off except when I rarely turn my 
computer off. It runs  a head charging that uses ink every time it is powered 
up. 
Not turning it off  has seemed to help a lot.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  BTW, the buyer was  totally  pleased.

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Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Brendan MacRae
So, I had three prints entered in the photography
competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of my
landscapes got a second place in the Professional
category and another got Best in Show for Pro Color
Photos.

This is the first time I've ever displayed my work
outside of circles of friends, the pdml, and my
website.

Overall I would say it was a fun experience. There was
some good work being exhibited (and some so not so
good stuff, too). I was a bit disappointed that I
didn't get my printer dialed for b/w in time for this
competition. I had a b/w landscape that I had wanted
to enter but that will have to wait for the next show.

PS - Kudos again to David Miller of ColorVision who
helped check my profile for the Epson Luster paper. I
was able to dial in a good profile with his help that
I used for all three prints.

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Re: PESO -- Mews, Stony Creek

2007-08-09 Thread P. J. Alling
I't actually a converted Garage/Stable.  6 bays, now, (probably), two 
apartments.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 8/9/2007 7:17:07 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 On 8/7/07, P. J. Alling  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/stonycreek/mews.html

  Equipment:  Pentax *ist-Ds/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

  As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.
 

 I like the  photo.  Nice choice of focal length, I like the muted  colours.

 cheers,
 frank

 
 Ditto, though I might  crop the left a bit too, my eye goes to it. 
 Distracting. Actually, I am not  quite sure what I am looking at. It looks 
 like high, 
 high density living.  

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OT: Nature, red in tooth and claw

2007-08-09 Thread Bob W
Lion vs buffalo vs crocodile - who wins? Some of the most incredible
wildlife footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread syb vis
Congrats! Can we see the images?

Syb

2007/8/9, Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 So, I had three prints entered in the photography
 competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of my
 landscapes got a second place in the Professional
 category and another got Best in Show for Pro Color
 Photos.

 This is the first time I've ever displayed my work
 outside of circles of friends, the pdml, and my
 website.

 Overall I would say it was a fun experience. There was
 some good work being exhibited (and some so not so
 good stuff, too). I was a bit disappointed that I
 didn't get my printer dialed for b/w in time for this
 competition. I had a b/w landscape that I had wanted
 to enter but that will have to wait for the next show.

 PS - Kudos again to David Miller of ColorVision who
 helped check my profile for the Epson Luster paper. I
 was able to dial in a good profile with his help that
 I used for all three prints.

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Re: PESO -- Rocky Cove, Hornby Island, British Columbia

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/8/2007 1:07:35 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  writes:
http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2007/08/08/rocky-cove-hornby-island-bc/

Another  photo from my trip to Vancouver Island.  This one is from  
Hornby  Island, a small island that's so typical of the west coast.   
Lots  of quaint shops, famers markets, and old bearded men in little  
Toyota  trucks.

I really feel as though I hit my stride on this trip.  So  much, in  
fact, that I feel a little photographically exhausted, even 3  weeks  
later! :)

Comments, critiques  welcome!

Enjoy.

Mike


I think you did too.  :-) That is really, really nice, Mike! I would hang 
that on my wall, no problem.  Lovely.

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Re: Norm's Due

2007-08-09 Thread Norm Baugher
Hey, the Icelanders said it was only 9:30pm. I didn't realize they were 
referring to New York time...
Norm

Cotty wrote:
 My cell phone went off at some ungodly hour but by the time I reached it
 downstairs it had diverted to ansaphone.

 Norm, you are so gonna get your come-uppance mate.

   

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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Congratulations! Excellent to hear!

G

On Aug 9, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote:

 So, I had three prints entered in the photography
 competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of my
 landscapes got a second place in the Professional
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RE: FID (Film is Dead)

2007-08-09 Thread John Sessoms
On the other side of the coin ...

I know all the *Pros* have gone digital - but so have all of the *IDIOTS*.

Had a woman at my mini-lab yesterday wanting to know if I had gotten one 
of the kiosks fixed.



To my knowledge it wasn't broken, but who knows with the help I have; so 
I asked her what problem she had, and she told me the kiosk was printing 
all of her pictures yellow.

That kiosk doesn't print anything, it's just an order station - she'd 
downloaded images from her memory card to be printed on the Noritsu 
QSS-3300.

She showed me the pictures.

There was one of four women playing miniature golf at the beach. One of 
the women in the group had that sunless tan that comes out of a bottle 
 bleached blond hair.

The customer complained the printer had turned the woman's hair yellow, 
because the woman really has red hair; and her skin was an un-natural 
orange color.

I pointed out that all of the others in the photo didn't look yellow, 
and that the sky was a natural blue, the golf lanes were green, the reds 
were red, and the whites were white - that if the color was shifted it 
would be shifted for everything in the photo.

And I pointed out that all of the photos would have the same color 
shift, that the printer couldn't just shift color for one person in one 
photo and not color shift anything else.

She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

She then showed me some photos of a family get-together taken in 
somebody's living room. It's pretty obvious she had the white balance 
set for daylight and was taking pictures indoors under incandescent 
light. I tried to explain she needed to set the camera's white balance 
for the light.

She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

I tried to show her that in her other outdoor photographs there was no 
color shift and explained that if the printer was printing yellow, ALL 
of the pictures; all of the colors would be shifted toward yellow.

She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

She insisted on resubmitting the entire order, complaining she was on 
her lunch break and didn't have time to do it and I'd better get it 
right this time.

I said yes ma'am and let it ride. We don't do anything to digital images 
submitted through the order kiosk. WYSIWYG.

I checked 'em as they printed out though.

The redhead is still blond, and her tan still came out of a bottle.

I've been running the lab for about 6 months now, and I've only had one 
complete idiot come in with film.

I get at least one a day with digital. On a good day, I won't get more 
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Re: Moving Up to MF: 67 or 645? Or something else?

2007-08-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
The difference between enlargability/quality between 645 and 6x7  
formats is far less than the difference between either and 35mm, or  
either and 4x5.

The Pentax 6x7 is a very bulky kit to carry around and, for me,  
requires a very sturdy tripod. The Pentax 645 is much more suitable  
for hand-held work and, to me, much easier to use a modest light/ 
medium-weight tripod. It's doubly easy to use with a light/medium  
weight tripod because Pentax thoughtfully fitted both bottom and side  
mounting points on the body, which means that the camera can be used  
over the center of the tripod legs without the strength needed to  
flip it on its side for both portrait and landscape compositions. The  
design of this camera is outstanding.

If you want long or wide lens selections, there's more available at  
lower prices for the 645 kit right now than for the 6x7.

I had Hasselblad SLR and SWC, Rolleiflex TLR and SLR, Mamiya 645,  
Fuji RF and AF, and Zeiss Ikon Ikonta medium format cameras in the  
past. A year ago I got interested to use some medium format equipment  
again and I was loaned a P645, 4 lens kit. I found the P645 a  
wonderful camera in use and the lenses I've used on it are right up  
to snuff with the others, if not better. I particularly love the  
A35/3.5 and A45/2.8 lenses. (BTW: you know who you are, please get in  
touch as I would like to return your camera ... I've lost your  
shipping information. thanks)

One example photo:
   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW6/large/39-half.jpg
   http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/large/19b-half.jpg
(Both with the A35/3.5.)

A couple of months ago someone locally heard that I enjoyed using the  
P645 and offered me a 2 lens kit (A45 and A75) with two film  
magazines, remote release cord, case, hoods ... ie, a complete  
kit ... for $400. I turned it down: as much as I like using it, I  
simply will not use it very much at all. He then dropped the price  
for the kit to $200. At that price, I couldn't resist, so I now have  
a two lens P645 kit for when/if I feel like working with it.

The only downside, and I hear ya on this, is the lack of a waist  
level finder. I've been considering adding a Zigview LCD finder  
attachment for that purpose ... or a right angle finder.

The added bonus of the P645 is that if you buy a couple of these nice  
lenses and the P645D comes out, you will have immediate access to  
using them on a 22-39Mpixel digital body...

Godfrey

On Aug 9, 2007, at 12:46 AM, David Bliss wrote:

 So I'm growing increasingly frustrated with 35mm and APS-C digital.

 Solutoin: medium format.  But what?

 Hasselblad makes the sexiest gear I've ever seen.  But I can't  
 afford it even
 used.

 I like the larger negative area of the Pentax 67 -- after all,  
 isn't neg
 area the name of the game?  But I HATE the look of the camera.  It  
 sounds like
 it requires a tripod bigger than God and MLU for every shot.  Flash  
 sync sucks
 at only 1/30.   No hotshoe for my level.
 Pluses: waist-level finder (apparently not a great one).


 645:
 less neg.
 fixed prism -- no WL finder

 looks more like a hassy :)
 data imprinting (a must)
 less need for mlu/tripods/etc
 focus confirm on manual lenses
 uses 67 lenses
 Maybe a 645D in the future -- yeah right.

 So:

 Which should I get? Is the cost in image size worth all the other  
 benefits
 of the 645?  Or should i skip MF and go straight to a 4x5 view camera?

 Or should I go to a 6x6 view camera with the idea of robbing a bank  
 for a
 digital back?

 But only P67/P645 will play with my existing bodies...

 Any ideas, thoughts, suggestions, or tips appreciated.

 I really wanted a waist-level finder...



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Re: Norm's Due

2007-08-09 Thread ann sanfedele
Cotty wrote:

My cell phone went off at some ungodly hour but by the time I reached it
downstairs it had diverted to ansaphone.

Norm, you are so gonna get your come-uppance mate.

  

Don't be too ahrd on him, Cotty
I encouraged him :)

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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
None of the work I do with a flash unit requires any kind of  
dedicated operation, so I use a Sunpak 383, a Nikon SB-30 and a pair  
of Paterson EFlash panel strobes. Along with a good flash meter, a  
remote cord, etc. ;-)

But yeah: if you're going to want to use the dedicated capabilities,  
stick with the Pentax flash units.

Godfrey

On Aug 9, 2007, at 2:53 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

 Having waited half a year for a new Metz flash unit having P-TTL, the
 announced dedicated Mecablitz 58 AF-1 with USB is not offered anywhere
 around here. The Metz SCA system is no longer useful for P-TTL. My
 current Metz TTL unit, which I have to use in A-mode on the K10D,  
 gives
 many miss hits and is not very useful for fill-in flash. Sigma doesn't
 show the K10D P-TTL on their lists. So that leaves only the Pentax AF
 540FGZ or the 360FGZ to choice from?


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Re: PESO -- Rocky Cove, Hornby Island, British Columbia

2007-08-09 Thread ann sanfedele
Mike Hamilton wrote:

http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/2007/08/08/rocky-cove-hornby-island-bc/

Another photo from my trip to Vancouver Island.  This one is from  
Hornby Island, a small island that's so typical of the west coast.   
Lots of quaint shops, famers markets, and old bearded men in little  
Toyota trucks.

I really feel as though I hit my stride on this trip.  So much, in  
fact, that I feel a little photographically exhausted, even 3 weeks  
later! :)

Comments, critiques welcome!

Enjoy.

Mike


Mike - that's lovely!

BTW
 do you every go to Cortez Island?  my ex (Bob Sanfedele)
and his third wife have a place there called Healing Waters  _ they rent 
houses and have kayaks...
We are still in touch now and then and I visted there back in 1993 
 beautiful spot.

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Re: A* 85/1.4, A* 135/1.8

2007-08-09 Thread John Sessoms
From:
Adam Maas
 John Sessoms wrote:
 From:
 P. J. Alling
 Cotty thought enough of the A*85 to cruelly disfigure one to mate it 
 with his Canon...

 I've always wanted the 135mm f1.8, it would make a wonderful ~200mm, 
 (as preforming the roll of), on an APS digital camera.  However at 
 those prices I guess I just have to settle for my 135f 2.5 and put 
 up with the exposure inconvenience. 
 Who was it recently announced they were going to make lenses in the 
 K-Bayonet? They were already making them in the Nikon mount.
 ZN and now ZK ...

 Anyway, they also make the lenses for the Sony Alpha, and one of 
 those lenses *IS* a 135mm f/1.8, so maybe that one will be available 
 in a Pentax K-mount some time in the future.

 The ZA lens line for Sony Alpha is not the same as the ZF/ZS/ZK line. 
 The ZA's are AF lenses and the selection is quite limited (a couple of 
 short tele primes and one zoom), the ZF-derived lens line covers a 
 much wider range and are all MF.

Understand all that. Still, if there is a demand ...

I reiterate so maybe ... some time in the future.

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Re: OT - Lens choice help required

2007-08-09 Thread John Sessoms
From:
Adam Maas
 Cotty wrote:
 Guys, it's Nikon related, so don't waste your time here ;-)

 The knowledge of The List i far and away a better repository than asking
 on DPR, so here goes:

 A friend has a Nikon D80 - what options are there for a nice wide angle
 lens on this camera? It can be old, manual focus, or new, Nikon or non-
 Nikon. It's for landscapes, so assuming a 1.5X crop factor, I would
 guess something in the 12 to 20mm focal length would be appropriate?

 Any and all answers gratefully received. Off list if you prefer, so we
 don't annoy folk (now there's a thought :-)

 Thanks


 Nikon 12-24 is the best option, but the Tokina 12-24 is half the price 
 (and the same basic design as the Pentax, but Tokina's QC is worse). 

OTOH,  in my experience, their customer service is a damn sight better.

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OT: Sony quietly has added two new cameras to the Alpha line was:[Re: A* 85/1.4, A* 135/1.8]

2007-08-09 Thread John Sessoms
From:
P. J. Alling
 What John said about Sony Alpha Lenses peaked my curiosity,
I'm sure our fastidious friends in Quebec would point out it's piqued 
...  ;-D

Interestingly, the same word means not only to provoke or arouse [as to 
curiosity], but also to cause resentment [which I hope this does not]; a 
sudden outburst of anger; a type of fabric; and to take pride [in oneself].

Thanks. I didn't know that before.

... and then thanks again - this inadvertently led me to some music I'd 
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Re: FID (Film is Dead)

2007-08-09 Thread graywolf
I have this theory.

Back in the old days (what, 3-4 years ago?) when you got serious about 
photography you loaded up your camera with film. You went out and found 
something to photograph, you set up your camera, then you sat around relaxing 
until the light was where you wanted it. Back in the darkroom you stood looking 
at nothing, all there was were your calm thoughts, the soft buzz of the timer, 
every minute or so you inverted your developing tank, then went back to 
contemplating nothing. As a result photographers tended to be calm 
contemplative folks with an intact sense of humor.

Now there is digital. You go out with your digital camera snapping, snapping, 
snapping. Running here, running there, snapping, snapping, snapping. Oh God my 
4gb card is not big enough, My 500gb hard drive is full, my mouse is too slow 
As a result you are all hyped up, tense, angry, and any sense of humor you ever 
had is shattered into sharp threads. But it is exciting.

So film photography is like pot, whereas digital photography is like crack. 
Remember, like all generalities, it does not apply to individuals, only to 
groups. Anyway that is my theory, and it is certainly worth every penny you 
paid for it.


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 On the other side of the coin ...
 
 I know all the *Pros* have gone digital - but so have all of the *IDIOTS*.
 
 Had a woman at my mini-lab yesterday wanting to know if I had gotten one 
 of the kiosks fixed.
 
 
 
 To my knowledge it wasn't broken, but who knows with the help I have; so 
 I asked her what problem she had, and she told me the kiosk was printing 
 all of her pictures yellow.
 
 That kiosk doesn't print anything, it's just an order station - she'd 
 downloaded images from her memory card to be printed on the Noritsu 
 QSS-3300.
 
 She showed me the pictures.
 
 There was one of four women playing miniature golf at the beach. One of 
 the women in the group had that sunless tan that comes out of a bottle 
  bleached blond hair.
 
 The customer complained the printer had turned the woman's hair yellow, 
 because the woman really has red hair; and her skin was an un-natural 
 orange color.
 
 I pointed out that all of the others in the photo didn't look yellow, 
 and that the sky was a natural blue, the golf lanes were green, the reds 
 were red, and the whites were white - that if the color was shifted it 
 would be shifted for everything in the photo.
 
 And I pointed out that all of the photos would have the same color 
 shift, that the printer couldn't just shift color for one person in one 
 photo and not color shift anything else.
 
 She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
 
 She then showed me some photos of a family get-together taken in 
 somebody's living room. It's pretty obvious she had the white balance 
 set for daylight and was taking pictures indoors under incandescent 
 light. I tried to explain she needed to set the camera's white balance 
 for the light.
 
 She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
 
 I tried to show her that in her other outdoor photographs there was no 
 color shift and explained that if the printer was printing yellow, ALL 
 of the pictures; all of the colors would be shifted toward yellow.
 
 She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
 
 She insisted on resubmitting the entire order, complaining she was on 
 her lunch break and didn't have time to do it and I'd better get it 
 right this time.
 
 I said yes ma'am and let it ride. We don't do anything to digital images 
 submitted through the order kiosk. WYSIWYG.
 
 I checked 'em as they printed out though.
 
 The redhead is still blond, and her tan still came out of a bottle.
 
 I've been running the lab for about 6 months now, and I've only had one 
 complete idiot come in with film.
 
 I get at least one a day with digital. On a good day, I won't get more 
 than one, but I don't have many good days.
 
 

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Re: OT: Sony quietly has added two new cameras to the Alpha line was:[Re: A* 85/1.4, A* 135/1.8]

2007-08-09 Thread P. J. Alling
Of course my spell checker makes no distinction...

John Sessoms wrote:
 From:
 P. J. Alling
   
 What John said about Sony Alpha Lenses peaked my curiosity,
 
 I'm sure our fastidious friends in Quebec would point out it's piqued 
 ...  ;-D

 Interestingly, the same word means not only to provoke or arouse [as to 
 curiosity], but also to cause resentment [which I hope this does not]; a 
 sudden outburst of anger; a type of fabric; and to take pride [in oneself].

 Thanks. I didn't know that before.

 ... and then thanks again - this inadvertently led me to some music I'd 
 lost.


   


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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Kenneth Waller wrote:

Mark, I've been putting off using my 2 year old Sigma DG Super on
 my K10D, thinking it had to be updated.

It does. I had mine updated to work with the K10D, but the original 
update didn't enable off-camera wireless. Apparently they can now 
update for that as well but I haven't bothered because I don't use that 
feature.

How old is your unit?

I got it the moment they made one available for Pentax. (The AF540 FGZ 
wasn't available at the time and the 360 wasn't powerful enough for my 
needs.)

I understand there is an update available from Sigma but haven't 
sent mine in yet.

When I sent mine in they wouldn't tell me how much it would cost 
beforehand but they did do it free. I suspect they've been bitten by 
people sending in failed/damaged units for updates trying to get free 
repairs. (I worked in the electronics repair business for years. I 
could tell you stories...)

Is wireless usage the only feature you're aware of that's missing 
when used on the K10D?

The first units wouldn't even expose correctly on the K10D and the 
first update fixed that. There was a second update after Pentax 
introduced the AF540 FGZ, to enable wireless off-camera P-TTL. Current 
units should include both capabilities and updates should take care of 
both issues but there may be a few units on dealers' shelves that lack 
the second upgrade, though if you buy from a high-volume dealer like 
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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Roberts
Brendan MacRae wrote:

So, I had three prints entered in the photography
competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of my
landscapes got a second place in the Professional
category and another got Best in Show for Pro Color
Photos.

Congratulations!

Now show us the photos. 
So we can hate you, of course ;-)


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Re: FID (Film is Dead)

2007-08-09 Thread Scott Loveless
graywolf wrote:
 So film photography is like pot, whereas digital photography is like crack. 
Mark!

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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/9/2007 9:40:56 A.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So, I had three prints  entered in the photography
competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of  my
landscapes got a second place in the Professional
category and another  got Best in Show for Pro Color
Photos.

This is the first time I've  ever displayed my work
outside of circles of friends, the pdml, and  my
website.

Overall I would say it was a fun experience. There  was
some good work being exhibited (and some so not so
good stuff, too). I  was a bit disappointed that I
didn't get my printer dialed for b/w in time  for this
competition. I had a b/w landscape that I had wanted
to enter but  that will have to wait for the next show.

PS - Kudos again to David  Miller of ColorVision who
helped check my profile for the Epson Luster paper.  I
was able to dial in a good profile with his help that
I used for all  three prints.

-Brendan

==
Cool. Congrats!

Marnie  aka Doe :-)

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Re: I really really hate my Epson or...

2007-08-09 Thread ann sanfedele
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

In a message dated 8/8/2007 5:38:13 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Who knows.

I'm just  really really mad at this printer right now.

Cory
who needed to make  like three prints for his daughter for a homework 
assignment on the first  day of school and failed miserably.



Now I try  to use my Epson R1800 on a regular basis, much more regularly than 
I used the  925. I also don't turn it off except when I rarely turn my 
computer off. It runs  a head charging that uses ink every time it is powered 
up. 
Not turning it off  has seemed to help a lot.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  BTW, the buyer was  totally  pleased.

-
  

I keep my R220 on all the time,too   - and seldom turn off the computer  -
Maybe I should not tempt providence, but it works beautifully most of 
the time
occassionally I need to do a head clean.

I wish I had one with a wider carriage though

ann

  




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RE: Nature, red in tooth and claw

2007-08-09 Thread Bill Owens
Incredible indeed!  I saw it on CNN yesterday.

Bill

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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:28 PM
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Subject: OT: Nature, red in tooth and claw

Lion vs buffalo vs crocodile - who wins? Some of the most incredible
wildlife footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

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Re: I really really hate my Epson or...

2007-08-09 Thread Scott Loveless
ann sanfedele wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 In a message dated 8/8/2007 5:38:13 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Who knows.

 I'm just  really really mad at this printer right now.

 Cory
 who needed to make  like three prints for his daughter for a homework 
 assignment on the first  day of school and failed miserably.

 
 
 Now I try  to use my Epson R1800 on a regular basis, much more regularly 
 than 
 I used the  925. I also don't turn it off except when I rarely turn my 
 computer off. It runs  a head charging that uses ink every time it is 
 powered up. 
 Not turning it off  has seemed to help a lot.

 Marnie aka Doe :-)  BTW, the buyer was  totally  pleased.

 -
  

 
 I keep my R220 on all the time,too   - and seldom turn off the computer  -
 Maybe I should not tempt providence, but it works beautifully most of 
 the time
 occassionally I need to do a head clean.

 I wish I had one with a wider carriage though

 ann

   

Our 320 (very similar to your 220) stays on all the time, too.  We print 
photos infrequently and often have to clean the print heads every time 
we use it.  The laser printer died a couple months ago and we haven't 
replaced it, so the 320 is getting a lot more use than usual.  We 
haven't had to clean it since.

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RE: FID (Film is Dead)

2007-08-09 Thread Bob W
 So film photography is like pot, whereas digital photography 
 is like crack. 

and people who do both are what? Crackpots, I suppose...

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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of graywolf
 Sent: 09 August 2007 18:52
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: FID (Film is Dead)
 
 I have this theory.
 
 Back in the old days (what, 3-4 years ago?) when you got 
 serious about photography you loaded up your camera with 
 film. You went out and found something to photograph, you set 
 up your camera, then you sat around relaxing until the light 
 was where you wanted it. Back in the darkroom you stood 
 looking at nothing, all there was were your calm thoughts, 
 the soft buzz of the timer, every minute or so you inverted 
 your developing tank, then went back to contemplating 
 nothing. As a result photographers tended to be calm 
 contemplative folks with an intact sense of humor.
 
 Now there is digital. You go out with your digital camera 
 snapping, snapping, snapping. Running here, running there, 
 snapping, snapping, snapping. Oh God my 4gb card is not big 
 enough, My 500gb hard drive is full, my mouse is too slow As 
 a result you are all hyped up, tense, angry, and any sense of 
 humor you ever had is shattered into sharp threads. But it is 
 exciting.
 
 So film photography is like pot, whereas digital photography 
 is like crack. Remember, like all generalities, it does not 
 apply to individuals, only to groups. Anyway that is my 
 theory, and it is certainly worth every penny you paid for it.
 
 
 graywolf
 http://www.graywolfphoto.com
 http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf
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 ---
 
 
 John Sessoms wrote:
  On the other side of the coin ...
  
  I know all the *Pros* have gone digital - but so have all 
 of the *IDIOTS*.
  
  Had a woman at my mini-lab yesterday wanting to know if I 
 had gotten one 
  of the kiosks fixed.
  
  
  
  To my knowledge it wasn't broken, but who knows with the 
 help I have; so 
  I asked her what problem she had, and she told me the kiosk 
 was printing 
  all of her pictures yellow.
  
  That kiosk doesn't print anything, it's just an order 
 station - she'd 
  downloaded images from her memory card to be printed on the
Noritsu 
  QSS-3300.
  
  She showed me the pictures.
  
  There was one of four women playing miniature golf at the 
 beach. One of 
  the women in the group had that sunless tan that comes 
 out of a bottle 
   bleached blond hair.
  
  The customer complained the printer had turned the woman's 
 hair yellow, 
  because the woman really has red hair; and her skin was an 
 un-natural 
  orange color.
  
  I pointed out that all of the others in the photo didn't 
 look yellow, 
  and that the sky was a natural blue, the golf lanes were 
 green, the reds 
  were red, and the whites were white - that if the color was 
 shifted it 
  would be shifted for everything in the photo.
  
  And I pointed out that all of the photos would have the same color

  shift, that the printer couldn't just shift color for one 
 person in one 
  photo and not color shift anything else.
  
  She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
  
  She then showed me some photos of a family get-together taken in 
  somebody's living room. It's pretty obvious she had the 
 white balance 
  set for daylight and was taking pictures indoors under
incandescent 
  light. I tried to explain she needed to set the camera's 
 white balance 
  for the light.
  
  She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
  
  I tried to show her that in her other outdoor photographs 
 there was no 
  color shift and explained that if the printer was printing 
 yellow, ALL 
  of the pictures; all of the colors would be shifted toward yellow.
  
  She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.
  
  She insisted on resubmitting the entire order, complaining 
 she was on 
  her lunch break and didn't have time to do it and I'd better get
it 
  right this time.
  
  I said yes ma'am and let it ride. We don't do anything to 
 digital images 
  submitted through the order kiosk. WYSIWYG.
  
  I checked 'em as they printed out though.
  
  The redhead is still blond, and her tan still came out of a
bottle.
  
  I've been running the lab for about 6 months now, and I've 
 only had one 
  complete idiot come in with film.
  
  I get at least one a day with digital. On a good day, I 
 won't get more 
  than one, but I don't have many good days.
  
  
 
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FA-SMCP 600/4 IF

2007-08-09 Thread syb vis
Browsing Ebay on my search for extremities, I found this thing.

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190137806062ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Storesrefitem=280134626351itemcount=4refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemrefwidgettype=osi_widget

Did anyone of you ever have it mounted on your camera? What kind of
images did you produce?

Cheers.
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Digital projectors

2007-08-09 Thread Bob Shell
OK, folks I am about to assist a friend in making the leap to a  
digital projector for powerpoint business presentations.  I have no  
doubt I can figure out how to hook one up and make it work using the  
IB.  But he also needs advice on what to buy, and I don't have a  
clue. He doesn't have a lot of money, so we're talking below $ 1,000  
in price, way below if possible.  A friend recommended the Epson 76C,  
and it looks like those can be had for just under $ 600.

How many here own such projectors?  Are there specific pitfalls to  
look for in picking one over another?
Brands to avoid?

Thanks

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Re: what flash unit for the K10D?

2007-08-09 Thread Frits Wüthrich
On Thursday 09 August 2007 11:53, Henk Terhell wrote:
 Having waited half a year for a new Metz flash unit having P-TTL, the
 announced dedicated Mecablitz 58 AF-1 with USB is not offered anywhere
 around here. The Metz SCA system is no longer useful for P-TTL. My
 current Metz TTL unit, which I have to use in A-mode on the K10D, gives
 many miss hits and is not very useful for fill-in flash. Sigma doesn't
 show the K10D P-TTL on their lists. So that leaves only the Pentax AF
 540FGZ or the 360FGZ to choice from?

 Henk

technikdirekt.de ask 310 euro's for it, plus 22 for shipping to NL, and it is 
'coming soon' whatever that means. You are not the only one waiting.
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Re: Digital projectors

2007-08-09 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Bob,

Per my presentation training last January, a digital projector should  
be chosen based on its lumens rating, which is dependent upon the  
size of the audience you are planning to use it for.

up to 50  - 1000-1500 lumens
100-150 - 2500 lumens or more
250 or more - 3500-5000 lumens or more, multiple screen projection  
system

Beyond that, specifics of the unit that you should be cognizant of are
- what are the video interface requirements of your laptop/computer
- what is the reputation of the particular unit with respect to your  
computer hardware make/OS
- where is the nearest service/support depot for the unit you have in  
mind

etc.

Beyond that ... well, there my expertise is at an end. I usually  
borrow units when I need one. Good ones are just too expensive to buy...

Godfrey


On Aug 9, 2007, at 1:21 PM, Bob Shell wrote:

 OK, folks I am about to assist a friend in making the leap to a
 digital projector for powerpoint business presentations.  I have no
 doubt I can figure out how to hook one up and make it work using the
 IB.  But he also needs advice on what to buy, and I don't have a
 clue. He doesn't have a lot of money, so we're talking below $ 1,000
 in price, way below if possible.  A friend recommended the Epson 76C,
 and it looks like those can be had for just under $ 600.

 How many here own such projectors?  Are there specific pitfalls to
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Re: Nature, red in tooth and claw

2007-08-09 Thread graywolf
And you thought you had a hard day at the office

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Bill Owens wrote:
 Incredible indeed!  I saw it on CNN yesterday.
 
 Bill
 
 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 12:28 PM
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 Subject: OT: Nature, red in tooth and claw
 
 Lion vs buffalo vs crocodile - who wins? Some of the most incredible
 wildlife footage:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM
 
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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
Congrats !
So when you gonna post em so we can see for ourselves?

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: Brendan MacRae [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Yea for me!


 So, I had three prints entered in the photography
 competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of my
 landscapes got a second place in the Professional
 category and another got Best in Show for Pro Color
 Photos.
 
 This is the first time I've ever displayed my work
 outside of circles of friends, the pdml, and my
 website.
 
 Overall I would say it was a fun experience. There was
 some good work being exhibited (and some so not so
 good stuff, too). I was a bit disappointed that I
 didn't get my printer dialed for b/w in time for this
 competition. I had a b/w landscape that I had wanted
 to enter but that will have to wait for the next show.
 
 PS - Kudos again to David Miller of ColorVision who
 helped check my profile for the Epson Luster paper. I
 was able to dial in a good profile with his help that
 I used for all three prints.
 
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Re: Nature, red in tooth and claw

2007-08-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
I saw it on a national channel (ABC?) last night I believe.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Nature, red in tooth and claw


 Incredible indeed!  I saw it on CNN yesterday.

 Bill

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 Subject: OT: Nature, red in tooth and claw

 Lion vs buffalo vs crocodile - who wins? Some of the most incredible
 wildlife footage:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

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Re: FA-SMCP 600/4 IF

2007-08-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
 Did anyone of you ever have it mounted on your camera?
I bought mine new several years ago  have used it with both film  digital 
bodies.

What kind of images did you produce?
Mainly wildlife, but I've also taken scenic's with it.
It is a fabulous lens!

Its also very heavy  requires a sturdy tripod (I use a Gitzo 1548 CF). I 
use mine with a gimbal head (Kirk - King Cobra), which greatly aids in its 
use  negates the weight effect for composition. Can't imagine using a lens 
this big  heavy without a gimbal head. To use it in the field I utilize a 
backpack case (made by Kinesis) to haul it around.

I have a number of images taken with the 600, posted on the Pentax Gallery - 
you can access the site  query that lens to see some of the results.

Kenneth Waller
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From: syb vis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: FA-SMCP 600/4 IF


 Browsing Ebay on my search for extremities, I found this thing.

 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190137806062ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Storesrefitem=280134626351itemcount=4refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemrefwidgettype=osi_widget

 Did anyone of you ever have it mounted on your camera? What kind of
 images did you produce?

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Re: FID (Film is Dead)

2007-08-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: John Sessoms
Subject: RE: FID (Film is Dead)


 On the other side of the coin ...

 I know all the *Pros* have gone digital - but so have all of the *IDIOTS*.

They were idiots shooting film a few years ago, now they have more 
complications in their life, and more possiblities available to them to show 
their idiocy.
Photography used to be relatively easy for the thinking impaired. The camera 
loaded itself with film, and all they had to do was point the thing in the 
general direction of the subject and push the button. The vagaries of the 
viewfinder would take care of ensuring the subject was in the frame,and the 
inherently forgiving nature of print film would ensure that they got a 
printable image.
All that changed with digital.
Customers didn't have to run a print order station, they didn't have to set 
white balance, or file size/quality, hue/sturation/contrast or do any of the 
other stuff that they now are forced to do if they want prints.
They used to work with a very forgiving media, now they are working with a 
media that forgives very little, and they are doing the bulk of your job for 
you as well.

They aren't necessarily idiots, they are ordinary people who have been fed a 
pack of lies by the industry, and now expect you, as a representative of 
that industry, to come through for them.
Digital is supposed to be better, everyone says it is so.
Digital TV, digital audio, digital whatever, it's all sold on a bill of 
lading that says it is better.

You can't expect a person to know jack shit about your kiosk, or what part 
of the food chain it inhabits.
The kiosk can go out of whack and start sending corrupt files to the 
printer, BTW. I've seen it happen with both a CT-2 print station and a Kodak 
print station sending work to a Noritsu 3101.

You also can't expect the customer to know that her friend is the wrong 
colour because of a failure in the image sensor of her camera. She knows 
what her friend looks like, and she wants her friend to look that way in her 
pictures.

In this case, it sounds like she has a closed mind, but if the sneering 
attitude you displayed in your post is representative of the way you dealt 
with the situation, it isn't likely she would be listening to what you had 
to say anyways.
Your best be with this type of customer is, after education fails, to ask 
them to try a different lab with that particular file and see if they can do 
better.
Just be prepared to have them come back and rub your nose in it if the other 
lab does manage to pull a better print.

One of the advantages I had with customer service was my vague resemblance 
to Dr. Phil giving me instant credibility, and my ability to talk to them 
without talking down to them ensured that their tendency was to listen to 
what I had to say.
I still got to deal with the idiots, but at least they walked away from my 
counter as happy, smiling idiots.

William Robb




 Had a woman at my mini-lab yesterday wanting to know if I had gotten one
 of the kiosks fixed.

 

 To my knowledge it wasn't broken, but who knows with the help I have; so
 I asked her what problem she had, and she told me the kiosk was printing
 all of her pictures yellow.

 That kiosk doesn't print anything, it's just an order station - she'd
 downloaded images from her memory card to be printed on the Noritsu
 QSS-3300.

 She showed me the pictures.

 There was one of four women playing miniature golf at the beach. One of
 the women in the group had that sunless tan that comes out of a bottle
  bleached blond hair.

 The customer complained the printer had turned the woman's hair yellow,
 because the woman really has red hair; and her skin was an un-natural
 orange color.

 I pointed out that all of the others in the photo didn't look yellow,
 and that the sky was a natural blue, the golf lanes were green, the reds
 were red, and the whites were white - that if the color was shifted it
 would be shifted for everything in the photo.

 And I pointed out that all of the photos would have the same color
 shift, that the printer couldn't just shift color for one person in one
 photo and not color shift anything else.

 She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

 She then showed me some photos of a family get-together taken in
 somebody's living room. It's pretty obvious she had the white balance
 set for daylight and was taking pictures indoors under incandescent
 light. I tried to explain she needed to set the camera's white balance
 for the light.

 She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

 I tried to show her that in her other outdoor photographs there was no
 color shift and explained that if the printer was printing yellow, ALL
 of the pictures; all of the colors would be shifted toward yellow.

 She told me I didn't know what I was talking about.

 She insisted on resubmitting the entire order, complaining she was on
 her lunch break and didn't have time to do it and 

Re: FA-SMCP 600/4 IF

2007-08-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: syb vis
Subject: FA-SMCP 600/4 IF


 Browsing Ebay on my search for extremities, I found this thing.

 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190137806062ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Storesrefitem=280134626351itemcount=4refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemrefwidgettype=osi_widget

 Did anyone of you ever have it mounted on your camera? What kind of
 images did you produce?

I think that's the one Ken Waller has. It seems to work well for him.

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Re: FA-SMCP 600/4 IF

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Roberts
William Robb wrote:

From: syb vis

 Browsing Ebay on my search for extremities, I found this thing.
 
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190137806062ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Storesrefitem=280134626351itemcount=4refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemrefwidgettype=osi_widget

 Did anyone of you ever have it mounted on your camera? What kind of
 images did you produce?

I think that's the one Ken Waller has. It seems to work well for him.

True. Although I'm hard pressed to think of any lens that *doesn't* 
seem to work well for him...


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New additions to my freeware page

2007-08-09 Thread Mark Roberts
I've added a couple of interesting new items to my free software page. 
Check 'em out and see if they might be of use to you...

Under Miscellaneous
Freeware application to create colour ICC profiles for scanners:
http://www.robertstech.com/software.htm#sipc

Under Digital Camera Utilities
DNG-enabled RAW Image Format To TIFF converter:
http://www.robertstech.com/software.htm#driftt





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Re: Norm's Due

2007-08-09 Thread Cotty
On 9/8/07, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:

I encouraged him :)

I heard!!

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FS: Kiron A 105mm F2.8 Macro

2007-08-09 Thread syb vis
My decision has been made. I choose to sell my Kiron 105mm f/2.8 macro lens.

Kiron has built this fantastic Macro Lens with a Pentax-A mount. So
even DSLR's like K10d, or IST*DS will work flawlessly with this one.

The glass, and blades, and exterior of the lens are all in excellent
condition. It comes with original box, manual and caps.

Will ship internationally; payment via paypal or (EU-residents)
IBAN-money transfer.

I will sell this lens to the highest bidder. You can bid via a pm.
More infos needed? Check:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/photographers-marketplace/10300-fs-kiron-105mm-f2-8-macro.html

Bidding closes 24  hours after posting this message. Winner will be
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Re: Norm's Due

2007-08-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Cotty 
Subject: Re: Norm's Due


 On 9/8/07, ann sanfedele, discombobulated, unleashed:
 
I encouraged him :)
 
 I heard!!

Hey Norm!
What's Cotty's phone number?
I'm several hours later than you are..

William Robb


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Re: FA-SMCP 600/4 IF

2007-08-09 Thread Kenneth Waller
I think that's the one Ken Waller has. It seems to work well for him.

 True. Although I'm hard pressed to think of any lens that *doesn't*
 seem to work well for him...

Why Mark. I'm blushing.
A high complement coming from you.

Kenneth Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FA-SMCP 600/4 IF


 William Robb wrote:

From: syb vis

 Browsing Ebay on my search for extremities, I found this thing.

 http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190137806062ssPageName=MERCOSI_VI_ROSI_PR4_PCN_BIX_Storesrefitem=280134626351itemcount=4refwidgetloc=closed_view_itemrefwidgettype=osi_widget

 Did anyone of you ever have it mounted on your camera? What kind of
 images did you produce?

I think that's the one Ken Waller has. It seems to work well for him.

 True. Although I'm hard pressed to think of any lens that *doesn't*
 seem to work well for him...


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Re: Gallery Format Tweeked, input requested was[Re: GESO -- Stony Creek]

2007-08-09 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 8/8/2007 9:01:39 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nicely done gallery - no nits to  pick.

Kenneth  Waller
http://tinyurl.com/272u2f


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Ditto.

Marnie  :-)

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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Brendan MacRae

--- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Brendan MacRae wrote:
 
 So, I had three prints entered in the photography
 competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of my
 landscapes got a second place in the Professional
 category and another got Best in Show for Pro Color
 Photos.
 
 Congratulations!
 
 Now show us the photos. 
 So we can hate you, of course ;-)

Thanks!

You guys have seen them already. One is a macro shot
of an orchid with water droplets the other a landscape
on the Yuba river.

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Re: New additions to my freeware page

2007-08-09 Thread Digital Image Studio
On 10/08/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I've added a couple of interesting new items to my free software page.
 Check 'em out and see if they might be of use to you...

 Under Miscellaneous
 Freeware application to create colour ICC profiles for scanners:
 http://www.robertstech.com/software.htm#sipc

 Under Digital Camera Utilities
 DNG-enabled RAW Image Format To TIFF converter:
 http://www.robertstech.com/software.htm#driftt

Thanks for the update, there are some interesting little tools and
utilities in there.

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CS3 vs. CS2

2007-08-09 Thread Igor Roshchin

Hello All,

If you have Photoshop CS3, what features and improvements do you 
enjoy over CS2 while working with photos?

Thank you,

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Re: CS3 vs. CS2

2007-08-09 Thread William Robb

- Original Message - 
From: Igor Roshchin
Subject: CS3 vs. CS2



 Hello All,

 If you have Photoshop CS3, what features and improvements do you
 enjoy over CS2 while working with photos?


The RAW converter is improved, and bridge seems to work faster as well, so 
they seem to have streamlined the program a bit.
OTOH, I can't get the darned thing to give me a workspace that I like.

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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Brendan MacRae
Thanks, Godfrey.

-Brendan
--- Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Congratulations! Excellent to hear!
 
 G
 
 On Aug 9, 2007, at 9:28 AM, Brendan MacRae wrote:
 
  So, I had three prints entered in the photography
  competition at the Nevada County Fair. One of my
  landscapes got a second place in the Professional
  category and another got Best in Show for Pro
 Color
  Photos.
 
 
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Re: Yea for me!

2007-08-09 Thread Brendan MacRae

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Cool. Congrats!
 
 Marnie  aka Doe :-)
 
Thanks!

-Brendan


   

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For those who are thirsty for 16-50/2.8

2007-08-09 Thread Igor Roshchin

I saw some people crying about unavailability of 16-50/2.8.
As of this moment, it seems to be in stock at BH:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=ShowProductis=USAQ=O=sku=485180

HTH,

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