OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens considerations
On May 29, 2009, at 22:21 , Leon Altoff wrote: Does anyone know at what focal length the 17-70 covers full frame if at all (in case I ever use film again)? At no f/l does the 17-70 cover full frame. Vignettes all the way. Joseph McAllister Pentaxian http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colors textures are nice. Could use more image at the top for balance. Otherwise, lovely. On May 29, 2009, at 23:49 , David Savage wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens considerations
Thanks Joseph, I was thinking it wouldn't cover full frame, but hoping it would. How are the image sharpness and bokeh of the 17-70? -- Leon 2009/5/30 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: On May 29, 2009, at 22:21 , Leon Altoff wrote: Does anyone know at what focal length the 17-70 covers full frame if at all (in case I ever use film again)? At no f/l does the 17-70 cover full frame. Vignettes all the way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Red Rhodie
Beautiful, Paul. Tripod or Steady Stenquist + anti-shake? Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Fri, 5/29/09, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: From: paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net Subject: Red Rhodie To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:33 PM It's rhododendron season in Michigan. This bloom is one of hundreds on a ten footer in front of my house. DA* 60-250, f8, 1/750th. About 200mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9267595size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Lens considerations
Hi Leon There's a full test on the 17-70 at the following URL: http://www.photozone.de/pentax/408-pentax_1770_4 I was at one point thinking of selling my DA*16-50 and buying one new, the 20-35 still fetches good money on Ebay, not sure about the 28mm shift. Regards, John From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Leon Altoff [leon.alt...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2009 06:21 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Lens considerations Hi All, I have been considering lenses recently and the fact that I seem to be changing them quite often. My main lenses are a DA 16-45 and a SIgma 50-200 (which I will hopefully soon change to a 60-250 which I have been waiting on for the past 2 years). The 16-45 seems to be a bit too short far too often for my liking, and having changed to the 50-200 is then too long for the picture I want 3 pictures later. So I am considering upgrading the 16-45 to a 17-70. My main camera is a K10D (probably upgrading to the K7 at some point, but not as an early adopter as I was with the istD and the K10D) so the SDM only should not bother me. As I am planning on selling the 16-45 and also my 20-35 to pay for the new lens it means I won't have anything to cover 20mm at full frame anymore. Does anyone know at what focal length the 17-70 covers full frame if at all (in case I ever use film again)? I know the 16-45 will cover full frame at 20 mm, but I haven't seen anything on the 17-70 so any help would be appreciated - and comments on comparative quality of build and images would also be nice. (Please don't suggest I buy a lot of primes, I have some very nice primes and will add more as time goes on, but zooms have their place.) Of course I do have to pay for new purchases and need to sell a few lenses to help offset new ones. Apart from the 16-45, I have a 20-35 and a 28mm shift, but I don't know if there is interest in these lenses anymore and I need to figure out what they are worth before officially offering them for sale. If they are still popular can someone let me know? All comment gladly accepted. Leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Enjoy. That's a nice picture of a beautiful scene. The only major criticism I have is that it doesn't have Jenny Agutter swimming naked in it. Famous scene here, for pervs of a certain age: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IviQavf3zqQfeature=related Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
Bob W wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Enjoy. That's a nice picture of a beautiful scene. The only major criticism I have is that it doesn't have Jenny Agutter swimming naked in it. Famous scene here, for pervs of a certain age: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IviQavf3zqQfeature=related Bob You beat me to it, Bob. That, and Logan's Run... -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Eloquent nude
Good old SBS (national government-sponsored station here in Oz). Serendipitously happened to catch a doco on Edward Weston and Charis Wilson this afternoon. http://www.nwdocumentary.org/weston/ or http://www.amazon.com/SPECIAL-Eloquent-Photographer-Legacy-DVD/dp/B001VAAXPU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=electronicsqid=1243677592sr=8-1 I knew she was an equal partner in many respects, so how the story ends can't have been all beer and skittles for her. But she does have very fond recollections of Weston. Very well made, and it was a hoot hearing Charis talking pretty frankly about her life with him. And hearing a 90 year old talking about shaving... -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO- Public Footpath [re-posting with link]
Rick Womer wrote: A bovine herd impeded progress a bit on the Thames Path yesterday. One had to tread carefully. We later passed a man walking the other way, barefoot. Yuck. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9264700size=lg (K10D, FA 50/1.7) Rick Doing a bit of cow-tipping, Rick? Funny scene. It can probably almost become a pano, with a crop at the bottom. D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The Rise of Digital imaging and the Fall of the Old Camera industry
A really fascinating essay on LL today. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/rise-fall.shtml -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO: a mixed bag
A few mixed pics. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_cockatoo/01.htm Went in to watch the telly shortly after this http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_autumnstorm/01.htm Pulled this from the archives after reading the LL story. I still have a few rolls of Full Press 800. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_iliad/index.htm -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: No Hands
paul stenquist wrote: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9262977size=lg Click to make it smaller. Just too cute. I want to click to make it larger D -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: June PUG is up
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: RE: June PUG is up I'm amazed by Bill Robb's picture. First of all because people lived settled (as opposed to nomadic) lives in such a place. I'm pretty sure that in most parts of the world steppes and grasslands are mainly inhabited by nomads. They must have looked out first thing every morning and thought 'Right, where shall we go today?', and never come up with an answer. Second, that his family were obviously extremely successful dry land farmers - they seem to have produced an awful lot of it! Seconded. Must have been a scary place in the winter, especially with no shelter belt. Did they build the cabin, My understanding is that Grampa's brother came over some years earlier, prior to WWI and homesteaded in the area, and then our family came over as soon after WWI as they could manage and lived with the brother's family until the house was built. It would have been built by my grandfather, his brother, and other local farmers. This was an era of westward expansion by both the Canadian and the American governments, so land was practically being given away. all a person had to do was homestead it and be Canadian in order to give Canada leverage if the Americans decided to move the border north. Consequently, a lot of imigrants were sold somewhat of a bill of goods regarding what they were getting, my grandfather being one of them. About all the Robb's sucessfully farmed was rocks. There is a salt lake within a few miles of the farmsite that has enough dissolved mineral that a sodium sulphite extraction mill was built at the town of Bishopric, perhaps 5 miles distant. On a hot breezy day, one can see the salt rising off the lake and drifting over the nearby farms. The 1930s in that area was also one of the dryest times on record, with a drought that lasted pretty much the entire decade. It was, apparently, a pretty brutal existence, you were either a tough SOB or you moved to Moose Jaw and sold your daughters into whoring to survive. I suspect that if they had the money, they would have called the entire adventure a waste of time and moved back to Auchtermuchty. My family farmed that area until well after WWII, although two sons were lost in the war, and two (my father and an uncle) came back from the European conflict, went to university and took up teaching. The son that got the war exemption (they wouldn't take every male so as to ensure that families weren't wiped out completely) went on to become an engineer and ended up building a few power plants and hydro electric facilities for the fledgling Crown Corporation called SaskPower and my grandparents retired off the farm in the early 1950s and moved to a town nearby, where they resided until the early 1960s when they had to be moved into care facilities in Regina. Thanks for showing interest, though I don't know if you were showing this much. For me, it's what photography is about. I have received a lot more from your 1000 words than from the picture, although it set the scene very well. Paul, I intend to get back out there and do some more work there before the place collapses completely. The hous is sitting on a rock foundation that is becoming very unstable, and the spine of the roof, while not broken yet, is definitely on it's way out. Southern Saskatchewan is dotted with these little abandoned farms and ghost towns from the steam rail era where a town sprung up every 10 miles or so to supply the trains. A friend of mine has started documenting these abandoned or nearly abandoned town sites, and I am trying to go on a few expeditions with him this year. Thanks again You still own it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO- Public Footpath [re-posting with link]
Rick Womer wrote: --- On Fri, 5/29/09, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: While the gallery was charming, this one is more... um... moving, maybe? :-) Cheers, Jostein Don't try to butter me up with your udderly cheesy puns. He can't help it. Photography gives him the horn. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
Bob W wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Enjoy. That's a nice picture of a beautiful scene. The only major criticism I have is that it doesn't have Jenny Agutter swimming naked in it. Famous scene here, for pervs of a certain age: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IviQavf3zqQfeature=related Are you calling me of a certain age? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Pentax sent me an email about the K-7
Received an email about the camera today, from Pentax. Among its features it states it will come with a 3 year warranty, a coupon for 15% off various lenses and such, and a 1-800 number for professionals to call for equipment loans. I though Pentax was not a pro camera. Guess not. :-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
I like the blue tints in this one Dave. If you don't like that D700, send it over here and i;'ll dispose of it properly for you. Dave On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:49 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: a mixed bag
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote: A few mixed pics. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_cockatoo/01.htm Ahhh, so thats what a lens baby does. Neat. Went in to watch the telly shortly after this http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_autumnstorm/01.htm Pulled this from the archives after reading the LL story. I still have a few rolls of Full Press 800. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/09/09_05/09_05_iliad/index.htm I like the third shot. Dave -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Red Rhodie
Thats a nice, clear, well exposed shot. I like the bit of emerging flower on the right being in the shot. Dave On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 9:33 PM, paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: It's rhododendron season in Michigan. This bloom is one of hundreds on a ten footer in front of my house. DA* 60-250, f8, 1/750th. About 200mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9267595size=lg Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO-Three Cals - PhotoShop fun
I confuse easily.:-) Nice shot. Glad you did it with a John Deere.:-) Dave On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: I told my three year old grandson, Cal, that I would make a picture of three of him on my lawn tractor. I don't think he quite grasped the concept. When I asked him who was in the picture, he said Me. When I asked who else, he said my cousin, Tyler. He didn't know who the third kid was. His mother told me I was confusing him... ; } http://home.earthlink.net/~allaround6/quickpage/quickpage.htm -p -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Hanging On!
Thanks to all who looked and commented on this. Some specific responses: Bruce wrote (and Paul agreed): I would probably take just a little off the bottom if it were mine. I shot a number of variations of this with the stem being placed at various positions in the frame. I thought the more centrally placed stem looked a bit formal which is why I went for this 'off centre' arrangement. However, I'll play around with the cropping. Thanks for the suggestion. Dave B commented: The way the vine is off centre really works. There you go! :-) Dan said: Very nice image. But, istn't that poison Ivy? Just kidding -- single leaves instead of sets of three. I think poison ivy is one of the few exotic plants that hasn't taken hold here. I'll take your word that this isn't it - but I'll still be careful next time I see it. Joseph: Odd color contrasts there. But an enjoyable image, well seen shot. Yes, the unusual contrast was what attracted me. I actually toned the yellow down in the background. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm Subject: PESO - Hanging On! To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Thursday, May 28, 2009, 5:38 AM G'day all Noticed this colourful climbing plant on a cement rendered wall. http://www.blognow.com.au/PESO/138300/Hanging_On.html Comments, suggestions appreciated. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO- Public Footpath [re-posting with link]
Yes, definitely a need to tread carefully there! If it was mine, I'd probably crop quite a bit off the bottom, probably by as much as a half. I agree with Derby's suggestion of a panoramic crop. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ On Fri, 29 May 2009 04:57 -0700, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: A bovine herd impeded progress a bit on the Thames Path yesterday. One had to tread carefully. We later passed a man walking the other way, barefoot. Yuck. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9264700size=lg (K10D, FA 50/1.7) Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Lunch Time
On Fri, 29 May 2009 02:15 -0700, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: We're taking a couple of weeks of holiday, and have been doing lots of traveling. I've been doing lots of shooting, and have about 1200 unsorted images here on Lightroom. So the obvious solution is to shoot some more. We took a walk up the Thames Path yesterday from Oxford to a riverside pub about 2 1/2 miles north. I had never seen a duck beg before, but this one was doing so, and very successfully. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=9264699 (K10D, FA 50/1.7) (Just a snap; not Art) Maybe so - but a very appealing snap! In my experience ducks always know when there's a 'soft touch' in the vicinity Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Send your email first class -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO-Three Cals - PhotoShop fun
On Fri, 29 May 2009 18:29 -0500, Paul Sorenson allarou...@earthlink.net wrote: I told my three year old grandson, Cal, that I would make a picture of three of him on my lawn tractor. I don't think he quite grasped the concept. When I asked him who was in the picture, he said Me. When I asked who else, he said my cousin, Tyler. He didn't know who the third kid was. His mother told me I was confusing him... ; } http://home.earthlink.net/~allaround6/quickpage/quickpage.htm Yes, but which one is Cal?... Very well done and very convincing. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens considerations
Leon, if I had (a good copy of) 20-35 I would probably keep it. Having somewhat similar situation to that of yours, I opted for Tamron 28-75/2.8 and DA 21. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:49 +0800, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Yes they are. The bluish tint to the water against those red/brown rocks is spectacular. I agree that there's something not quite right with the composition. You possibly needed a higher viewpoint so that the top of the image was the unobstructed water in the upper pond rather than the rocky cliff face, which seems to be cut off. I suspect a higher viewpoint probably wasn't feasible, though. An excellent pano none the less. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Logo 3 was OT New logo, try #2
Ok, here is the updated version, with several suggestions worked on. I finally figured out what buttons to turn off in PS to allow a re size of the two shots that were off a bit. I redid the text. I re sized the gif to 100k, and proper LxW so the photos are not squished. Now i just need to figure out how to centre it on the page. Any code ideas.?? http://www.caughtinmotion.com/ Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Logo 3 was OT New logo, try #2
On 5/30/09, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: Ok, here is the updated version, with several suggestions worked on. I finally figured out what buttons to turn off in PS to allow a re size of the two shots that were off a bit. I redid the text. I re sized the gif to 100k, and proper LxW so the photos are not squished. Now i just need to figure out how to centre it on the page. Any code ideas.?? Not ideal but will work: CENTERIMG SRC=logo.jpg/CENTER BTW you don't really need to specify the width or height, without these tags the image will naturally be displayed 1:1. Also I haven't been involved with the thread to this point but an image containing full colour photogrphs is probably better off displayed as a JPG, so long as the compression rate is not too high the text will look fine, 110k is still fairly large for this application, you could probably get it down to 67k as a JPG. Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC +10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: No GFM:-(
Paul, please pass our wishes of speedy and most importantly complete recovery to your daughter. As for GFM, hopefully one day you and I would make the way there and meet in person... Boris paul stenquist wrote: My daughter's second chemo session is scheduled for Friday. I take her to the hospital and pick her up when she's finished, so I had to cancel my GFM reservation. Once again. In any case, they refunded my money with a smile, as always. So a spot has opened up, although I guess there's a waiting list. Really wanted to make it there this time around. I'll try again next year. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: It's amazing how time flies
Nah, I will not engage my brain in computing some tricky number out of these four... Congratulations anyway! Boris William Robb wrote: 7 dogs, 7 cats, 6 cars, and 25 years of fun ago, my wife and I got married. I'd do it again, I suspect she's thinking she'd be getting out of jail about now. Anyway, I just thought I'd share that. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Logo 3 was OT New logo, try #2
David J Brooks wrote: Now i just need to figure out how to centre it on the page. Any code ideas.?? p align=center img src=/myphoto.jpg alt=http://www.caughtinmotion.com; /p for old style, pure HTML3 -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Boris and Galia Peso (trip to Haifa)
Hi! We had yet another (as still wonderful) trip to Haifa this weekend. I chose a single pic from each day (totally three). Be brutal and honest. http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2009/05/peso-2009-020.html Boris P.S. The only correction to Galia's shot was minor tonality and 0.75 deg rotation to straighten the lines. What presented is essentially full frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
The Leica as a Teacher
Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
Dreamy. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) 2009/5/30 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Enjoy. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Logo 3 was OT New logo, try #2
[...] For Bob W, re the index page. I thought i found all the spelling mistakes, but i guess not.;-) The page it self is from a web tutorial offered by my ISP, which i did a simple page, then cut pasted and hacked my way into the way it is now. I have a book on coding, but its all greek to me so this was the best i could get on my own. I asked Mark last year if any of his students wanted to have a go at it, for the extra credit he was offering, and not suprisingly, no one offered. I'll go in and try and fix up what i can from the suggestions. Unless you have ideas of becoming a professional it's probably not worth the struggle to try and learn to code it by hand. You might be better off trying out various freeware wysiwyg web page editors which you can use to manage the layout quite easily, including canned templates which will help you to develop a simple, professional look. You could try SeaMonkey, for example, which includea a wysiwyg html editor. I haven't tried it myself, so don't take this as a recommendation, but it seems to have a reasonable pedigree so I imagine it would do a pretty decent job. Actually, I just downloaded and tried it. Here is an example of state-of-the-art web design that I knocked together in a couple of minutes: http://www.web-options.com/PRL.html I reckon with a couple of hours playing around you could put something pretty decent together. There are a few books around, which your library should be able to find for you, which help with page design. Two that I've found useful are Web Style Guide by Lynch and Horton, and Designing Visual Interfaces by Mullet and Sano. If you do decide to hand-code it I would recommend that you learn about and use CSS. A very good book about it is Cascading Style Sheets by Lie and Bos. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Logo 3 was OT New logo, try #2
Try Komposer http://kompozer.net/ It's pretty easy to use and offers WYSIWYG as well as a source screen. -p Bob W wrote: [...] For Bob W, re the index page. I thought i found all the spelling mistakes, but i guess not.;-) The page it self is from a web tutorial offered by my ISP, which i did a simple page, then cut pasted and hacked my way into the way it is now. I have a book on coding, but its all greek to me so this was the best i could get on my own. I asked Mark last year if any of his students wanted to have a go at it, for the extra credit he was offering, and not suprisingly, no one offered. I'll go in and try and fix up what i can from the suggestions. Unless you have ideas of becoming a professional it's probably not worth the struggle to try and learn to code it by hand. You might be better off trying out various freeware wysiwyg web page editors which you can use to manage the layout quite easily, including canned templates which will help you to develop a simple, professional look. You could try SeaMonkey, for example, which includea a wysiwyg html editor. I haven't tried it myself, so don't take this as a recommendation, but it seems to have a reasonable pedigree so I imagine it would do a pretty decent job. Actually, I just downloaded and tried it. Here is an example of state-of-the-art web design that I knocked together in a couple of minutes: http://www.web-options.com/PRL.html I reckon with a couple of hours playing around you could put something pretty decent together. There are a few books around, which your library should be able to find for you, which help with page design. Two that I've found useful are Web Style Guide by Lynch and Horton, and Designing Visual Interfaces by Mullet and Sano. If you do decide to hand-code it I would recommend that you learn about and use CSS. A very good book about it is Cascading Style Sheets by Lie and Bos. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.46/2143 - Release Date: 05/30/09 05:53:00 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Leica as a Teacher
Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph er/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. The follow-up piece is quite interesting too: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/why -it-has-to-be-a-leica.html The Leica 'tax' is a myth, as he points out. I have recently sold my M4-2 which I had for about 8-10 years for about the same money I paid for it. Admittedly I spent £150- on it a few years ago for a service, but for a 1968 camera it did pretty well. My E-1, on the other hand, is worth nothing now. The older photographers among us had little choice but to learn the way Mike suggests. My early photography was with an MX which I bought by not smoking for a year. I generally shot black white and rarely had anything enlarged because I couldn't afford it - just the contact prints. I still have all the negs and contacts and there are probably hundreds of photos I should scan and enlarge. But I can't be arsed. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Autopano let loose
Hi Team, This is my first PESO for a while, more to come if you care, commendations or critisims welcomed of course. Like Dave Savage and a few others I've been shooting a good number of multi-image panos over the last few years, it can be quite rewarding. However I've found that determining whether your pre-compiled image really deserves post processing time and attention requires some automation. For this purpose I use AutoPano Pro, I let it loose on my newly downloaded thumbnail images to detect and automatically compile pano images, it matches up image sets quite successfully but it often also finds unintended panoramas, sometimes good but most often not. The following image is one that Autopano found and assembled and that I thought deserved a little closer attention, it's a composite of four images from two pano sets, one for the sky and the other everything else. The images were captured using a K10D and the source files were 2MP JPGs generated in camera, there are errors in the stitching but really it's amazing that it stitched so well. The subject is Osborne House and gardens on Isle of Wight http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Pano-IMGK01592.jpg (~650kB) Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC +10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph er/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. The follow-up piece is quite interesting too: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/why -it-has-to-be-a-leica.html The Leica 'tax' is a myth, as he points out. I have recently sold my M4-2 which I had for about 8-10 years for about the same money I paid for it. Admittedly I spent £150- on it a few years ago for a service, but for a 1968 camera it did pretty well. My E-1, on the other hand, is worth nothing now. The older photographers among us had little choice but to learn the way Mike suggests. My early photography was with an MX which I bought by not smoking for a year. I generally shot black white and rarely had anything enlarged because I couldn't afford it - just the contact prints. I still have all the negs and contacts and there are probably hundreds of photos I should scan and enlarge. But I can't be arsed. Bob The Leica tax is not a myth. Even if you consider the capital expenditures a wash, a comparable 35mm SLR of similar vintage to an M4 will cost no more than $50 and is often available much cheaper than that. In other words buying the SLR will cost you less than shipping, fees and taxes on the Leica, which you won't recover when selling it. Heck, my FX-3 cost me $5 out of pocket and $25 total (traded in a FR on it, payed $20 for the FR, got $20 trade-in value). Even a Nikon F can be had under $100. With very few exceptions, and nearly all of them fully-featured pro bodies, 35mm SLR's are available for the price of beer. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens considerations
You'll still find times when lens changing is an annoyance even with a new, longer range zoom. While I haven't followed the prices of lenses and cameras I'd think an additional camera would be comparable in cost to a new lens which you only want for the sake of avoiding lens changes. You could have the whole range of 16mm-240mm (with a small gap 45mm-50mm), or 20mm-250mm mounted and always ready for use. You may already have two camera bodies but avoid carrying them both at once because it's too much to be toting. But consider that with two or more lenses and one body you need a case or bag to store the unused lens. With two lenses each mounted on a body you don't need a case at all if you're content to carry it all on neck/shoulder straps where you can get at it in moments. Anything else such as spare batteries, memory cards and so on can fit in a tiny belt pouch or similar. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) 2009/5/30 Leon Altoff leon.alt...@gmail.com: Hi All, I have been considering lenses recently and the fact that I seem to be changing them quite often. My main lenses are a DA 16-45 and a SIgma 50-200 (which I will hopefully soon change to a 60-250 which I have been waiting on for the past 2 years). The 16-45 seems to be a bit too short far too often for my liking, and having changed to the 50-200 is then too long for the picture I want 3 pictures later. So I am considering upgrading the 16-45 to a 17-70. My main camera is a K10D (probably upgrading to the K7 at some point, but not as an early adopter as I was with the istD and the K10D) so the SDM only should not bother me. As I am planning on selling the 16-45 and also my 20-35 to pay for the new lens it means I won't have anything to cover 20mm at full frame anymore. Does anyone know at what focal length the 17-70 covers full frame if at all (in case I ever use film again)? I know the 16-45 will cover full frame at 20 mm, but I haven't seen anything on the 17-70 so any help would be appreciated - and comments on comparative quality of build and images would also be nice. (Please don't suggest I buy a lot of primes, I have some very nice primes and will add more as time goes on, but zooms have their place.) Of course I do have to pay for new purchases and need to sell a few lenses to help offset new ones. Apart from the 16-45, I have a 20-35 and a 28mm shift, but I don't know if there is interest in these lenses anymore and I need to figure out what they are worth before officially offering them for sale. If they are still popular can someone let me know? All comment gladly accepted. Leon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2009 - 079 - GDG
I haven't posted a self-portrait in a bit ... took this one while on my morning walk a couple of days ago enjoying the rediscovery of my Contax Tix camera. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3578924004_4f09cd150b_o.jpg 079 - Self Portrait On Walk - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 film scanned with Nikon LS-40 - processed in Lightroom flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3578924004/ Comments always appreciated. Don't worry about insulting the subject... ;-) Godfrey -- www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 079 - GDG
Nice capture. I especially like the way the camera caught your eyes in perfect focus. Did you plan that, and if so, how? Walt On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: I haven't posted a self-portrait in a bit ... took this one while on my morning walk a couple of days ago enjoying the rediscovery of my Contax Tix camera. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3578924004_4f09cd150b_o.jpg 079 - Self Portrait On Walk - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 film scanned with Nikon LS-40 - processed in Lightroom flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3578924004/ Comments always appreciated. Don't worry about insulting the subject... ;-) Godfrey -- www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 079 - GDG
Thanks Walter. The focusing was mostly guesswork ... You only have three means of controlling the focus on this camera: - aim carefully knowing the AF hot spot - lock focus and exposure with a half press and reframe, press the shutter the rest of the way - lock the focus to infinity and control the focus zone with aperture I'm pretty familiar with the Contax Tix' AF system and simply tried to get myself into the right slightly north of center AF focusing point. I figured that with the light available it would likely run wide open or close to it on exposure, so trying to prefocus and turn it around in my hands wasn't going to work, and the AF system is very accurate if you get it targeted right. Godfrey From: Walter Hamler hamlerwal...@gmail.com Nice capture. I especially like the way the camera caught your eyes in perfect focus. Did you plan that, and if so, how? Walt On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:45 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com wrote: I haven't posted a self-portrait in a bit ... took this one while on my morning walk a couple of days ago enjoying the rediscovery of my Contax Tix camera. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3578924004_4f09cd150b_o.jpg 079 - Self Portrait On Walk - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 film scanned with Nikon LS-40 - processed in Lightroom flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3578924004/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
50 dollars or even a hundred is peanuts compared to the cost of film and develompent only for shooting 4-5 rolls a month for a year. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph er/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. The follow-up piece is quite interesting too: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/why -it-has-to-be-a-leica.html The Leica 'tax' is a myth, as he points out. I have recently sold my M4-2 which I had for about 8-10 years for about the same money I paid for it. Admittedly I spent £150- on it a few years ago for a service, but for a 1968 camera it did pretty well. My E-1, on the other hand, is worth nothing now. The older photographers among us had little choice but to learn the way Mike suggests. My early photography was with an MX which I bought by not smoking for a year. I generally shot black white and rarely had anything enlarged because I couldn't afford it - just the contact prints. I still have all the negs and contacts and there are probably hundreds of photos I should scan and enlarge. But I can't be arsed. Bob The Leica tax is not a myth. Even if you consider the capital expenditures a wash, a comparable 35mm SLR of similar vintage to an M4 will cost no more than $50 and is often available much cheaper than that. In other words buying the SLR will cost you less than shipping, fees and taxes on the Leica, which you won't recover when selling it. Heck, my FX-3 cost me $5 out of pocket and $25 total (traded in a FR on it, payed $20 for the FR, got $20 trade-in value). Even a Nikon F can be had under $100. With very few exceptions, and nearly all of them fully-featured pro bodies, 35mm SLR's are available for the price of beer. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Autopano let loose
Well done if you ask me... Boris Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, This is my first PESO for a while, more to come if you care, commendations or critisims welcomed of course. Like Dave Savage and a few others I've been shooting a good number of multi-image panos over the last few years, it can be quite rewarding. However I've found that determining whether your pre-compiled image really deserves post processing time and attention requires some automation. For this purpose I use AutoPano Pro, I let it loose on my newly downloaded thumbnail images to detect and automatically compile pano images, it matches up image sets quite successfully but it often also finds unintended panoramas, sometimes good but most often not. The following image is one that Autopano found and assembled and that I thought deserved a little closer attention, it's a composite of four images from two pano sets, one for the sky and the other everything else. The images were captured using a K10D and the source files were 2MP JPGs generated in camera, there are errors in the stitching but really it's amazing that it stitched so well. The subject is Osborne House and gardens on Isle of Wight http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Pano-IMGK01592.jpg (~650kB) Cheers, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: June PUG is up
- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: June PUG is up Paul, I intend to get back out there and do some more work there before the place collapses completely. The house is sitting on a rock foundation that is becoming very unstable, and the spine of the roof, while not broken yet, is definitely on it's way out. Southern Saskatchewan is dotted with these little abandoned farms and ghost towns from the steam rail era where a town sprung up every 10 miles or so to supply the trains. A friend of mine has started documenting these abandoned or nearly abandoned town sites, and I am trying to go on a few expeditions with him this year. Thanks again You still own it? No the land was sold to finance my grandparents move into town. Landowners around here are usually pretty laid back about people with cameras wandering around their property. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
- Original Message - From: Adam Maas Subject: The Leica as a Teacher Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. How eerie is that. On May 12, 2002, I came up with this little nugget: I believe there is a photographic equivalent of music theory that the student needs to learn, in order to excel at the art and craft of photography. Visual theory at it's most basic is the building blocks of imagery, whether photographic or other. Theory such as how light interacts with shape and form, how perspective changes depending on angle of view. This is best learned with simple tools, anything else complicates the learning process. If one is learning to compose music, one starts with a single instrument, such as a piano. I think it very rare for a student of music composition to start by composing a full orchestral symphony. I played the trumpet when I was younger. A simple instrument, with only 3 keys. In a way, perhaps there is an equivalency here, as a camera only has 3 controls for making pictures, no matter how many buttons, control dials, and inscrutable custom functions they put on the camera to complicate things for us. But, I digress. I never got really good at the trumpet, in my hands the instrument had all the positive attributes of a chainsaw with a burned out governor. I learned enough about music to realize I would never be a Sousa, or an Armstrong. Hell, when I figured out I would never be an Alpert, I gave up the trumpet. I found other fish to fry. I discovered cameras. I also discovered that much of what I learned from music was applicable to photography at one level or another. I may have a tin ear, but I found I have a pretty good eye for pictures. What I learned playing the trumpet, albeit badly, was that there is a need to learn the basics. One needs to learn scales, and finger patterns on the keys to make the notes come out the way they are supposed to. One needs to learn how to blow into the instrument in the right way to make the right noise. One needs to learn that when giving a Christmas concert outdoors when it is -30, the mouthpiece should be kept in an inside pocket to keep it warm between songs. Some lessons are learned harder than others. One needs to have a thick skin to not be overly discouraged by failure, or the embarrassment of having a trumpet stuck to ones face in front of the Prime Minister. But, I digress. In photography, one needs to learn about light and shadow first. One doesn't need a zoom lens for this. Often, the added visual confusion that a zoom can create can interrupt this learning process. I am not saying there is not a place for zoom lenses in photography. The zoom, in the hands of a skilled and visually adept person is a powerful tool. All I am saying is that it is not the tool to learn the very basics of visual theory with. For this, a prime lens, and one that closely matches the human eye's field of vision is preferable. By sticking with a natural perspective to start, we can learn more easily how what we see in three dimensions will translate to two, or how what we see in colour will translate to black and white. By learning the fundaments first, with simple tools, I think we will be better visual artists later. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
Depends on the film. 5 rolls a month of inexpensive BW film (Arista for example) souped in Rodinal is around $15 a month. E-6 is expensive. C-41 less so and BW can be dirt cheap. -Adam On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com wrote: 50 dollars or even a hundred is peanuts compared to the cost of film and develompent only for shooting 4-5 rolls a month for a year. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph er/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. The follow-up piece is quite interesting too: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/why -it-has-to-be-a-leica.html The Leica 'tax' is a myth, as he points out. I have recently sold my M4-2 which I had for about 8-10 years for about the same money I paid for it. Admittedly I spent £150- on it a few years ago for a service, but for a 1968 camera it did pretty well. My E-1, on the other hand, is worth nothing now. The older photographers among us had little choice but to learn the way Mike suggests. My early photography was with an MX which I bought by not smoking for a year. I generally shot black white and rarely had anything enlarged because I couldn't afford it - just the contact prints. I still have all the negs and contacts and there are probably hundreds of photos I should scan and enlarge. But I can't be arsed. Bob The Leica tax is not a myth. Even if you consider the capital expenditures a wash, a comparable 35mm SLR of similar vintage to an M4 will cost no more than $50 and is often available much cheaper than that. In other words buying the SLR will cost you less than shipping, fees and taxes on the Leica, which you won't recover when selling it. Heck, my FX-3 cost me $5 out of pocket and $25 total (traded in a FR on it, payed $20 for the FR, got $20 trade-in value). Even a Nikon F can be had under $100. With very few exceptions, and nearly all of them fully-featured pro bodies, 35mm SLR's are available for the price of beer. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Leica as a Teacher
Its not the cost in dollars that makes using film expensive, Its the cost in hours of my time. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:43 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The Leica as a Teacher Depends on the film. 5 rolls a month of inexpensive BW film (Arista for example) souped in Rodinal is around $15 a month. E-6 is expensive. C-41 less so and BW can be dirt cheap. -Adam On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com wrote: 50 dollars or even a hundred is peanuts compared to the cost of film and develompent only for shooting 4-5 rolls a month for a year. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph er/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. The follow-up piece is quite interesting too: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/200 9/05/why -it-has-to-be-a-leica.html The Leica 'tax' is a myth, as he points out. I have recently sold my M4-2 which I had for about 8-10 years for about the same money I paid for it. Admittedly I spent £150- on it a few years ago for a service, but for a 1968 camera it did pretty well. My E-1, on the other hand, is worth nothing now. The older photographers among us had little choice but to learn the way Mike suggests. My early photography was with an MX which I bought by not smoking for a year. I generally shot black white and rarely had anything enlarged because I couldn't afford it - just the contact prints. I still have all the negs and contacts and there are probably hundreds of photos I should scan and enlarge. But I can't be arsed. Bob The Leica tax is not a myth. Even if you consider the capital expenditures a wash, a comparable 35mm SLR of similar vintage to an M4 will cost no more than $50 and is often available much cheaper than that. In other words buying the SLR will cost you less than shipping, fees and taxes on the Leica, which you won't recover when selling it. Heck, my FX-3 cost me $5 out of pocket and $25 total (traded in a FR on it, payed $20 for the FR, got $20 trade-in value). Even a Nikon F can be had under $100. With very few exceptions, and nearly all of them fully-featured pro bodies, 35mm SLR's are available for the price of beer. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Autopano let loose
Most definitely. -Adam On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Well done if you ask me... Boris Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, This is my first PESO for a while, more to come if you care, commendations or critisims welcomed of course. Like Dave Savage and a few others I've been shooting a good number of multi-image panos over the last few years, it can be quite rewarding. However I've found that determining whether your pre-compiled image really deserves post processing time and attention requires some automation. For this purpose I use AutoPano Pro, I let it loose on my newly downloaded thumbnail images to detect and automatically compile pano images, it matches up image sets quite successfully but it often also finds unintended panoramas, sometimes good but most often not. The following image is one that Autopano found and assembled and that I thought deserved a little closer attention, it's a composite of four images from two pano sets, one for the sky and the other everything else. The images were captured using a K10D and the source files were 2MP JPGs generated in camera, there are errors in the stitching but really it's amazing that it stitched so well. The subject is Osborne House and gardens on Isle of Wight http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Pano-IMGK01592.jpg (~650kB) Cheers, -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Leica as a Teacher
The Leica tax is not a myth. Even if you consider the capital expenditures a wash, a comparable 35mm SLR of similar vintage to an M4 will cost no more than $50 and is often available much cheaper than that. In other words buying the SLR will cost you less than shipping, fees and taxes on the Leica, which you won't recover when selling it. Well, there's obviously a geographical aspect to this because I can walk into a shop, buy a Leica or an SLR, and pay no taxes, fees or shipping on either, so those aspects are irrelevant. Otherwise I can buy sell privately, in which case those aspects don't feature at all. Buying then selling high quality old film cameras, whether they are SLRs or Leica Ms involve essentially no financial loss, unless you want to start artifically introducing shipping stuff for the Leica which may apply to your case but certainly not to all. Heck, my FX-3 cost me $5 out of pocket and $25 total (traded in a FR on it, payed $20 for the FR, got $20 trade-in value). Even a Nikon F can be had under $100. With very few exceptions, and nearly all of them fully-featured pro bodies, 35mm SLR's are available for the price of beer. Not in this country. I could get extremely very drunk several times over for the price of a Nikon F. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Rise of Digital imaging and the Fall of the Old Camera industry
Derby Chang wrote: A really fascinating essay on LL today. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/rise-fall.shtml Well worth a read by anyone seriously interested in understanding more about the turning point between film and digital use. I thought I had a reasonable understanding of it, until I read this article! Well written and (until something better comes along) pretty much a short but seminal revelation on how it all came about. Thanks, Derby... keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: June PUG is up
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: June PUG is up Paul, I intend to get back out there and do some more work there before the place collapses completely. The house is sitting on a rock foundation that is becoming very unstable, and the spine of the roof, while not broken yet, is definitely on it's way out. Southern Saskatchewan is dotted with these little abandoned farms and ghost towns from the steam rail era where a town sprung up every 10 miles or so to supply the trains. A friend of mine has started documenting these abandoned or nearly abandoned town sites, and I am trying to go on a few expeditions with him this year. Thanks again You still own it? No the land was sold to finance my grandparents move into town. Landowners around here are usually pretty laid back about people with cameras wandering around their property. Ah. By more work you mean taking pictures, not repairing. I never think of photography as work. Lucky me. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Rise of Digital imaging and the Fall of the Old Camera industry
Keith Whaley wrote: Derby Chang wrote: A really fascinating essay on LL today. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/rise-fall.shtml Well worth a read by anyone seriously interested in understanding more about the turning point between film and digital use. I thought I had a reasonable understanding of it, until I read this article! Well written and (until something better comes along) pretty much a short but seminal revelation on how it all came about. Thanks, Derby... keith whaley I saw it as more a description of the gross mismanagement, followed by the financial rape and eventual (at least partial/temporary) salvation of a world class camera company. It has less to do with the change from film to sensor than it has to do with asset stripping and feckless, ignorant, self-centred little toads. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
Very true, I'd not be shooting film anymore if I didn't enjoy the process nearly as much as the results. Developing and scanning eat up time. The flip side is I enjoy developing and don't mind scanning. -Adam On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:45 PM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote: Its not the cost in dollars that makes using film expensive, It’s the cost in hours of my time. J.C. O'Connell ( mailto:hifis...@gate.net ) -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2009 12:43 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: The Leica as a Teacher Depends on the film. 5 rolls a month of inexpensive BW film (Arista for example) souped in Rodinal is around $15 a month. E-6 is expensive. C-41 less so and BW can be dirt cheap. -Adam On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:27 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com wrote: 50 dollars or even a hundred is peanuts compared to the cost of film and develompent only for shooting 4-5 rolls a month for a year. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photograph er/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. The follow-up piece is quite interesting too: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/200 9/05/why -it-has-to-be-a-leica.html The Leica 'tax' is a myth, as he points out. I have recently sold my M4-2 which I had for about 8-10 years for about the same money I paid for it. Admittedly I spent £150- on it a few years ago for a service, but for a 1968 camera it did pretty well. My E-1, on the other hand, is worth nothing now. The older photographers among us had little choice but to learn the way Mike suggests. My early photography was with an MX which I bought by not smoking for a year. I generally shot black white and rarely had anything enlarged because I couldn't afford it - just the contact prints. I still have all the negs and contacts and there are probably hundreds of photos I should scan and enlarge. But I can't be arsed. Bob The Leica tax is not a myth. Even if you consider the capital expenditures a wash, a comparable 35mm SLR of similar vintage to an M4 will cost no more than $50 and is often available much cheaper than that. In other words buying the SLR will cost you less than shipping, fees and taxes on the Leica, which you won't recover when selling it. Heck, my FX-3 cost me $5 out of pocket and $25 total (traded in a FR on it, payed $20 for the FR, got $20 trade-in value). Even a Nikon F can be had under $100. With very few exceptions, and nearly all of them fully-featured pro bodies, 35mm SLR's are available for the price of beer. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO- Public Footpath [re-posting with link]
2009/5/29 Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com: Don't try to butter me up with your udderly cheesy puns. Yeth thur! No thur! http://web.me.com/aaronandpatty/What_the_Duck/Merch_files/droppedImage_38.jpg :-) Jothtein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: The Leica tax is not a myth. Even if you consider the capital expenditures a wash, a comparable 35mm SLR of similar vintage to an M4 will cost no more than $50 and is often available much cheaper than that. In other words buying the SLR will cost you less than shipping, fees and taxes on the Leica, which you won't recover when selling it. Well, there's obviously a geographical aspect to this because I can walk into a shop, buy a Leica or an SLR, and pay no taxes, fees or shipping on either, so those aspects are irrelevant. Otherwise I can buy sell privately, in which case those aspects don't feature at all. Buying then selling high quality old film cameras, whether they are SLRs or Leica Ms involve essentially no financial loss, unless you want to start artifically introducing shipping stuff for the Leica which may apply to your case but certainly not to all. Do you not pay VAT in the UK? I understand it's generally included in the list price unlike sales or VAT taxes in most North American jurisdictions which are not included in the list price but it is there nonetheless. And the vast majority of folk cannot buy such gear locally, such gear is really only available for local sale in the largest of cities in the western world and only widely available in a few of those. Private sales are of course another matter but shipping is generally a factor there as well since the primary venues for such are online fora such as RFF or APUG. Not to mention the fact that buying used at a retail location very rarely results in paying competitive prices for Leica bodies. Therefore your objections are almost entirely the exception rather than the rule, particular to your location in the London area and a few other locations. Heck, my FX-3 cost me $5 out of pocket and $25 total (traded in a FR on it, payed $20 for the FR, got $20 trade-in value). Even a Nikon F can be had under $100. With very few exceptions, and nearly all of them fully-featured pro bodies, 35mm SLR's are available for the price of beer. Not in this country. I could get extremely very drunk several times over for the price of a Nikon F. Bob While F's with eyelevel prisms are rather ridiculously expensive and are among the exceptions I refer to, with Photomic heads they are tend to be very reasonably priced, often under $100 with an FT head, the T and FTn being a little more expensive but can be had in the two digit pricerange with a little care. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: The Rise of Digital imaging and the Fall of the Old Camera industry
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 1:43 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Derby Chang wrote: A really fascinating essay on LL today. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/rise-fall.shtml Well worth a read by anyone seriously interested in understanding more about the turning point between film and digital use. I thought I had a reasonable understanding of it, until I read this article! Well written and (until something better comes along) pretty much a short but seminal revelation on how it all came about. Thanks, Derby... keith whaley I saw it as more a description of the gross mismanagement, followed by the financial rape and eventual (at least partial/temporary) salvation of a world class camera company. It has less to do with the change from film to sensor than it has to do with asset stripping and feckless, ignorant, self-centred little toads. That combined with the essential Leica mistake. Having a primary product essentially identical to 30 year old production so there was little reason for long-time shooters to upgrade(V series) and introducing a new product which offered nothing beyond a nameplate over the Japanese brand's inexpensive and well-regarded products (the H-series). The H-series current dominance of the 645 market owes far more to Kyocera(Contax) and Tamron(Bronica) not wanting to be involved with the market and the basic unsuitability of the Pentax 645 design to digital backs more than any inherent advantage to the H-Series body. If Kyocera in particular had stuck it out the Contax 645 would almost assuredly be the dominant 645 series body today. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Leica as a Teacher
Well, there's obviously a geographical aspect to this because I can walk into a shop, buy a Leica or an SLR, and pay no taxes, fees or shipping on either, so those aspects are irrelevant. Otherwise I can buy sell privately, in which case those aspects don't feature at all. Buying then selling high quality old film cameras, whether they are SLRs or Leica Ms involve essentially no financial loss, unless you want to start artifically introducing shipping stuff for the Leica which may apply to your case but certainly not to all. Do you not pay VAT in the UK? I understand it's generally included in the list price unlike sales or VAT taxes in most North American jurisdictions which are not included in the list price but it is there nonetheless. There is a very much smaller amount of VAT on used equipment than on new equipment. This is not just because used prices are lower, but because the calculation is different - for used equipment VAT is charged on the seller's margin, not on the selling price. It applies to everything, not just Leicas, and is not quoted separately from the price, so it is invisible to the buyer. The difference in the amount of VAT between a used Leica and, say, a used MX is trivial. If the government scrapped VAT on used cameras nobody would notice any difference. However, in my experience most used Leicas are traded privately, in which case there is no VAT at all. Even if you buy it from a dealer, the chances are it's a commission sale. I sold my M4-2 through a dealer on a commission sale. This seems to be how most used high-end stuff goes here, so as a private seller there was no VAT in the price. I had to pay the dealer's commission of course, but that was my choice and I could have avoided it. And the vast majority of folk cannot buy such gear locally, such gear is really only available for local sale in the largest of cities in the western world and only widely available in a few of those. Private sales are of course another matter but shipping is generally a factor there as well since the primary venues for such are online fora such as RFF or APUG. Not to mention the fact that buying used at a retail location very rarely results in paying competitive prices for Leica bodies. Therefore your objections are almost entirely the exception rather than the rule, particular to your location in the London area and a few other locations. The objections stand. If you have to pay shipping etc when you buy the thing, and the great majority of your market also has to, then the shipping is part of the price, just as VAT is. If you choose not to recover it that's your problem. And whether you buy a Leica or an MX you still have to pay for shipping, probably at the same rate, so where's the Leica tax? Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
When I started shooting some thirty five years ago, this was about the only way to do it. My first serious camera was similar to a Leica. It as a Nikon SP2 rangefinder with a 35mm lens. Shot with nothing but that for a long time. Then just a few years back, I spent the better part of a year shooting primarily with a Leica iiif RD, a camera just as basic as my old Nikon. Good experiences both. Paul On May 30, 2009, at 10:41 AM, Adam Maas wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Autopano let loose
A nice image. Good to see you posting here. Paul On May 30, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Rob Studdert wrote: Hi Team, This is my first PESO for a while, more to come if you care, commendations or critisims welcomed of course. Like Dave Savage and a few others I've been shooting a good number of multi-image panos over the last few years, it can be quite rewarding. However I've found that determining whether your pre-compiled image really deserves post processing time and attention requires some automation. For this purpose I use AutoPano Pro, I let it loose on my newly downloaded thumbnail images to detect and automatically compile pano images, it matches up image sets quite successfully but it often also finds unintended panoramas, sometimes good but most often not. The following image is one that Autopano found and assembled and that I thought deserved a little closer attention, it's a composite of four images from two pano sets, one for the sky and the other everything else. The images were captured using a K10D and the source files were 2MP JPGs generated in camera, there are errors in the stitching but really it's amazing that it stitched so well. The subject is Osborne House and gardens on Isle of Wight http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Pano-IMGK01592.jpg (~650kB) Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC +10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Autopano let loose
Very well done - needs to be printed to be fully appreciated. Welcome back Rob ! Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com Subject: Autopano let loose Hi Team, This is my first PESO for a while, more to come if you care, commendations or critisims welcomed of course. Like Dave Savage and a few others I've been shooting a good number of multi-image panos over the last few years, it can be quite rewarding. However I've found that determining whether your pre-compiled image really deserves post processing time and attention requires some automation. For this purpose I use AutoPano Pro, I let it loose on my newly downloaded thumbnail images to detect and automatically compile pano images, it matches up image sets quite successfully but it often also finds unintended panoramas, sometimes good but most often not. The following image is one that Autopano found and assembled and that I thought deserved a little closer attention, it's a composite of four images from two pano sets, one for the sky and the other everything else. The images were captured using a K10D and the source files were 2MP JPGs generated in camera, there are errors in the stitching but really it's amazing that it stitched so well. The subject is Osborne House and gardens on Isle of Wight http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio/temp/Pano-IMGK01592.jpg (~650kB) Cheers, -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC +10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 079 - GDG
I believe it would be a better portrait in a square format, minus about a fourth of the image from the LH side. A concerned look BTW. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi ramar...@mac.com Subject: PESO 2009 - 079 - GDG I haven't posted a self-portrait in a bit ... took this one while on my morning walk a couple of days ago enjoying the rediscovery of my Contax Tix camera. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3587/3578924004_4f09cd150b_o.jpg 079 - Self Portrait On Walk - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 film scanned with Nikon LS-40 - processed in Lightroom flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3578924004/ Comments always appreciated. Don't worry about insulting the subject... ;-) Godfrey -- www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/sets twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
re: The Leica as a Teacher
From: Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. It's an aesthetic that I work with my digital gear too. I'm using less and less gear as time goes on ... one or two nice prime lenses plus whichever body happens to tickle my fancy on a given day is the bulk of the equipment I'm using of late (although I continue to like to experiment and enjoy the other gear occasionally). I'd rather do it with digital as scanning film is time consuming and lacking in imagination. My recent experiments with the Pen EE and Tix show that there is a charm to film images, but the time consuming nature of the scanning endeavor and the cost of processing make it somewhat less appealing to work with as a learning medium. To me anyway. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Well, there's obviously a geographical aspect to this because I can walk into a shop, buy a Leica or an SLR, and pay no taxes, fees or shipping on either, so those aspects are irrelevant. Otherwise I can buy sell privately, in which case those aspects don't feature at all. Buying then selling high quality old film cameras, whether they are SLRs or Leica Ms involve essentially no financial loss, unless you want to start artifically introducing shipping stuff for the Leica which may apply to your case but certainly not to all. Do you not pay VAT in the UK? I understand it's generally included in the list price unlike sales or VAT taxes in most North American jurisdictions which are not included in the list price but it is there nonetheless. There is a very much smaller amount of VAT on used equipment than on new equipment. This is not just because used prices are lower, but because the calculation is different - for used equipment VAT is charged on the seller's margin, not on the selling price. It applies to everything, not just Leicas, and is not quoted separately from the price, so it is invisible to the buyer. The difference in the amount of VAT between a used Leica and, say, a used MX is trivial. If the government scrapped VAT on used cameras nobody would notice any difference. I wasn't aware that the VAT was lower on used items or calculated on margin instead of selling price. However it simply isn't invisible to the buyer since they can still see non-VAT pricing via the net. However, in my experience most used Leicas are traded privately, in which case there is no VAT at all. Even if you buy it from a dealer, the chances are it's a commission sale. I sold my M4-2 through a dealer on a commission sale. This seems to be how most used high-end stuff goes here, so as a private seller there was no VAT in the price. I had to pay the dealer's commission of course, but that was my choice and I could have avoided it. From what I've seen, most used leica's are sold privately over the internet. And the vast majority of folk cannot buy such gear locally, such gear is really only available for local sale in the largest of cities in the western world and only widely available in a few of those. Private sales are of course another matter but shipping is generally a factor there as well since the primary venues for such are online fora such as RFF or APUG. Not to mention the fact that buying used at a retail location very rarely results in paying competitive prices for Leica bodies. Therefore your objections are almost entirely the exception rather than the rule, particular to your location in the London area and a few other locations. The objections stand. If you have to pay shipping etc when you buy the thing, and the great majority of your market also has to, then the shipping is part of the price, just as VAT is. If you choose not to recover it that's your problem. And whether you buy a Leica or an MX you still have to pay for shipping, probably at the same rate, so where's the Leica tax? Bob For starters, since you're competing against fairly standard pricing (the pricing on Leica bodies is quite static, otherwise recouping purchase price would not be possible) you'll either need to price over the competition to recover shipping costs or eat the costs and thus be out your original shipping costs. Unlike Leica's, old SLR's are widely available as used items in local stores. There's little reason to buy online and pay shipping unless you really are out in the boonies or desire a specific model. And even then shipping is still cheaper since there's no need to buy insurance on an sub-$100 item unlike the Leica and the SLR body will typically be lighter (and thus cheaper to ship). Also the low price of the bodies means that people will generally ship on the cheap. $20 is on the high side for shipping for a manual SLR but very much on the low side for a Leica body or similar high-value camera. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: The Leica as a Teacher
I wasn't aware that the VAT was lower on used items or calculated on margin instead of selling price. The VAT rate is the same. However it simply isn't invisible to the buyer since they can still see non-VAT pricing via the net. Really? On second-hand goods? Where? There may be different rules for distance trade, but generally if you sell to a non-EU buyer it is the buyer's responsibility to claim the VAT back - the seller still has to charge it and pass it on to the government. In the case of second-hand goods under the margin scheme the seller doesn't know what the VAT will be until he's actually sold the item. It wouldn't make much sense commercially to quote the VAT separately because a) he might not get the quoted price and b) he's revealing his margin and giving the buyer a big bargaining chip. I think a more likely scenario is that the seller quotes a price without listing VAT separately then, when the selling price has been agreed he either deducts the VAT at source or tells the buyer how much to reclaim. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens considerations
Hi John, Thank for the link, it's interesting to compare the 2 lenses on paper. It looks like they should produce similar quality images which is what I wanted to know. -- Leon 2009/5/30 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk: Hi Leon There's a full test on the 17-70 at the following URL: http://www.photozone.de/pentax/408-pentax_1770_4 I was at one point thinking of selling my DA*16-50 and buying one new, the 20-35 still fetches good money on Ebay, not sure about the 28mm shift. Regards, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: Lens considerations
Hi Leon. Pleasure to help, I think the only real advantage I have with the 16-50 is the f/2.8 aperture, even the distortion is similar. Regards, john From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Leon Altoff [leon.alt...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2009 21:48 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Lens considerations Hi John, Thank for the link, it's interesting to compare the 2 lenses on paper. It looks like they should produce similar quality images which is what I wanted to know. -- Leon 2009/5/30 John Whittingham jo...@carmel.ac.uk: Hi Leon There's a full test on the 17-70 at the following URL: http://www.photozone.de/pentax/408-pentax_1770_4 I was at one point thinking of selling my DA*16-50 and buying one new, the 20-35 still fetches good money on Ebay, not sure about the 28mm shift. Regards, John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens considerations
Hi Anthony, I've often considered the second body approach. I did this with film and had 2 Super A or 2 Z1p bodies which had at various times different film or different lenses attached. With digital it gets a bit expensive to replace 2 bodies at once (I have 2 istD bodies still and only one ever gets any use). I have room in my camera bag for 5 lenses max, 3 zooms and 2 small primes. My current zooms are 12-24, 16-45 50-200. If I go to 12-24, 17-70 60-250 I get overlap on all lenses with no gaps and improved quality above 50mm. I don't want to carry a larger bag, but I will cope with the slightly increased weight of the new lenses. -- Leon 2009/5/31 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: You'll still find times when lens changing is an annoyance even with a new, longer range zoom. While I haven't followed the prices of lenses and cameras I'd think an additional camera would be comparable in cost to a new lens which you only want for the sake of avoiding lens changes. You could have the whole range of 16mm-240mm (with a small gap 45mm-50mm), or 20mm-250mm mounted and always ready for use. You may already have two camera bodies but avoid carrying them both at once because it's too much to be toting. But consider that with two or more lenses and one body you need a case or bag to store the unused lens. With two lenses each mounted on a body you don't need a case at all if you're content to carry it all on neck/shoulder straps where you can get at it in moments. Anything else such as spare batteries, memory cards and so on can fit in a tiny belt pouch or similar. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Lens considerations
Hi Boris, I think that 28 would not be wide enough to keep me happy and I'd end up going the other way and always changing to the 12-24 (which I don't always carry). I'm thinking that I will probably keep a selection of primes for film use (which may end up just being a collection as I haven't actually shot film in years, I just don't want to give it up completely). -- Leon 2009/5/30 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Leon, if I had (a good copy of) 20-35 I would probably keep it. Having somewhat similar situation to that of yours, I opted for Tamron 28-75/2.8 and DA 21. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESOs: meeting the daemons and 2dimensional flight
i don't usually go around giving names to photos, but here's a couple of exceptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3579039377/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3577283098/ pentax k10d, da 50-200 luka -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO 2009 - 080 - GDG
Some people take exception ... despite their charm and beauty. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3579077139_021d427ae1_o.jpg 080 - Resistance - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 Nikon LS-40, Lightroom processing flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3579077139/ Comments always appreciated. Godfrey -- www.gdgphoto.com www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/collections www.twitter.com/godfreydigiorgi -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESOs: meeting the daemons and 2dimensional flight
i don't usually go around giving names to photos, but here's a couple of exceptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3579039377/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3577283098/ pentax k10d, da 50-200 luka your photographs are always very interesting and unusual, I enjoy them very much. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: meeting the daemons and 2dimensional flight
thank you bob, it's a very nice thing to hear! On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: i don't usually go around giving names to photos, but here's a couple of exceptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3579039377/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3577283098/ pentax k10d, da 50-200 luka your photographs are always very interesting and unusual, I enjoy them very much. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: meeting the daemons and 2dimensional flight
The photos and titles are great! 'Favorited' them :-) On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:52 AM, Luka Knezevic-Strika lukastr...@gmail.com wrote: i don't usually go around giving names to photos, but here's a couple of exceptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3579039377/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3577283098/ pentax k10d, da 50-200 luka -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Bong Manayon http://www.bong.uni.cc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. Also consider the Cosina/Voigtlander cameras, new rangefinders with Leica mount. http://www.cameraquest.com/ -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESOs: meeting the daemons and 2dimensional flight
Excellent photo. The title works well here and contributes to the imagery. Nicely done. Paul On May 30, 2009, at 5:52 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote: i don't usually go around giving names to photos, but here's a couple of exceptions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3579039377/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/tamoneki/3577283098/ pentax k10d, da 50-200 luka -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I wasn't aware that the VAT was lower on used items or calculated on margin instead of selling price. The VAT rate is the same. The effect is a lower rate if calculated on margin rather than selling price. However it simply isn't invisible to the buyer since they can still see non-VAT pricing via the net. Really? On second-hand goods? Where? There may be different rules for distance trade, but generally if you sell to a non-EU buyer it is the buyer's responsibility to claim the VAT back - the seller still has to charge it and pass it on to the government. In the case of second-hand goods under the margin scheme the seller doesn't know what the VAT will be until he's actually sold the item. It wouldn't make much sense commercially to quote the VAT separately because a) he might not get the quoted price and b) he's revealing his margin and giving the buyer a big bargaining chip. I think a more likely scenario is that the seller quotes a price without listing VAT separately then, when the selling price has been agreed he either deducts the VAT at source or tells the buyer how much to reclaim. Bob Bob, When shopping used, most use either eBay or KEH are a pricing guide. Neither includes VAT in pricing. Though I doubt most are thinking much beyond 'UK pricing is awful' rather than 'the difference is the VAT'. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Sandy Harris sandyinch...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Anybody else read http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2009/05/a-leica-year.html Mike Johnston's little ode to simplicity and the Leica as a teacher. I'm seriously thinking about giving the basic concept a try. Not with a Leica though, but rather with either a Yashica FX-3 or Nikon FM2n and a fast normal. I don't feel like paying the Leica tax and my FX-3 in particular cost less than the eBay/Paypal transaction fees on even a cheap M. Also consider the Cosina/Voigtlander cameras, new rangefinders with Leica mount. http://www.cameraquest.com/ -- Sandy Harris, Quanzhou, Fujian, China A good idea, but the bodies cost roughly the same as an M3 or M4-2 in user condition. Of course they do include such niceties as a sane film loading design. The lenses are more interesting. However I'm only considering bodies I already own. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On 5/31/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: A good idea, but the bodies cost roughly the same as an M3 or M4-2 in user condition. Of course they do include such niceties as a sane film loading design. The lenses are more interesting. However I'm only considering bodies I already own. M4 and onwards employ the same film loading mechanism which once mastered is fast to load and very reliable, more so than any Pentax SLR I've used. Also speaking from a little experience, I've bought, used and sold 5 Leica M bodies and each have returned more money than I paid initially including all ancillary costs. I still have an M4 body which I won't make money on as I had it restored by the factory (plus I'll never sell it). -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +6... UTC +10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On May 31, 2009, at 1:34 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +6... UTC +10 Interesting phone number, how does one dial an ellipsis? Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On May 31, 2009, at 5:16 AM, Bob W wrote: Not in this country. I could get extremely very drunk several times over for the price of a Nikon F. I could get extremely drunk several times over for the price of a secondhand 50mm f/2. With dents. And fungus. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 080 - GDG
There's one in every outdoor cafe. And you found her. Nice tonality and presentation. Lots of freckles, or Tri-X filter? Did you wait for a gotcha moment? I would have! :-) On May 30, 2009, at 15:19 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Some people take exception ... despite their charm and beauty. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3579077139_021d427ae1_o.jpg 080 - Resistance - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 Nikon LS-40, Lightroom processing flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3579077139/ Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “If I could tell the story in words, I wouldn’t need to lug a camera.” –Lewis Hine -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 080 - GDG
Hey, it was film! Didn't notice until my third look! On May 30, 2009, at 15:19 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3579077139_021d427ae1_o.jpg 080 - Resistance - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 Nikon LS-40, Lightroom processing Joseph McAllister Lots of gear, not much time http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 9:34 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/31/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: A good idea, but the bodies cost roughly the same as an M3 or M4-2 in user condition. Of course they do include such niceties as a sane film loading design. The lenses are more interesting. However I'm only considering bodies I already own. M4 and onwards employ the same film loading mechanism which once mastered is fast to load and very reliable, more so than any Pentax SLR I've used. Also speaking from a little experience, I've bought, used and sold 5 Leica M bodies and each have returned more money than I paid initially including all ancillary costs. I still have an M4 body which I won't make money on as I had it restored by the factory (plus I'll never sell it). -- Rob Studdert I'm not much of a fan of the Magic Needle system on the Pentax K mount bodies. Best film loading I've seen in a manual-advance SLR is the Canon QL system, after that I prefer the traditional system used by most other setups (including the Bessa Rangefinders). The system used by the M4 and later is adequate but inferior to the basic advance system used by most SLRs. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On 5/31/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I'm not much of a fan of the Magic Needle system on the Pentax K mount bodies. Best film loading I've seen in a manual-advance SLR is the Canon QL system, after that I prefer the traditional system used by most other setups (including the Bessa Rangefinders). The system used by the M4 and later is adequate but inferior to the basic advance system used by most SLRs. I'm interested to find out why you consider the film loading system on the M4 and later inferior to most SLRs? All that's required to load later M film cameras is to pullout the film leader, place the cartridge in the camera with the film leader though the tangs, fit the base and stroke the film advance. I've had more problems with supposed self loading SLRs personally. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC +10 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Rise of Digital imaging and the Fall of the Old Camera industry
Companies have an institutional memory and like to do what they know how to do well. A major technological innovation can mean major dislocations. Suddenly that expensive Swiss timepiece is bested by a $6 chip watch from Texas Instruments. Mechanical time pieces became an anachronism. So too with film cameras... Regards, Bob S. On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:43 PM, mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com wrote: Keith Whaley wrote: Derby Chang wrote: A really fascinating essay on LL today. http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/rise-fall.shtml Well worth a read by anyone seriously interested in understanding more about the turning point between film and digital use. I thought I had a reasonable understanding of it, until I read this article! Well written and (until something better comes along) pretty much a short but seminal revelation on how it all came about. Thanks, Derby... keith whaley I saw it as more a description of the gross mismanagement, followed by the financial rape and eventual (at least partial/temporary) salvation of a world class camera company. It has less to do with the change from film to sensor than it has to do with asset stripping and feckless, ignorant, self-centred little toads. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Leica as a Teacher
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/31/09, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: I'm not much of a fan of the Magic Needle system on the Pentax K mount bodies. Best film loading I've seen in a manual-advance SLR is the Canon QL system, after that I prefer the traditional system used by most other setups (including the Bessa Rangefinders). The system used by the M4 and later is adequate but inferior to the basic advance system used by most SLRs. I'm interested to find out why you consider the film loading system on the M4 and later inferior to most SLRs? All that's required to load later M film cameras is to pullout the film leader, place the cartridge in the camera with the film leader though the tangs, fit the base and stroke the film advance. I've had more problems with supposed self loading SLRs personally. -- Rob Studdert It's basicly a 3-handed design. One for the camera, one for the film, one for the bottom plate, the SLR systems only require 2 since the backs don't seperate. Also it requires more care in loading the film into the body since you have smaller gaps to slide the leader through. It's not so much a bad design as it has been bettered. The best variation on traditional loading systems is the SLR-type loading with metal take-up spools that allow you to quickly stick the leader right through the spool like a Leica take-up spool, rather than only inserting the tip into the plastic spool. My F2 has the former system and it's harder to have a takeup failure with that setup than the plastic spool systems which can lose the leader easier. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The Rise of Digital imaging and the Fall of the Old Camera industry
Bob Sullivan wrote: Companies have an institutional memory and like to do what they know how to do well. A major technological innovation can mean major dislocations. Suddenly that expensive Swiss timepiece is bested by a $6 chip watch from Texas Instruments. Mechanical time pieces became an anachronism. So too with film cameras... Regards, Bob S. Which, thereby, you hsve put a coda to, and further comments are icing on the cake. On the other hand, your points are well taken... :-D keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
I agree 100%. I have a tenancy to want to duck down and look up to see what else is above the frame :-) But the sequence was shot so I stitched it. I threw it out there more as an example of the level of detail you can get in stitched images. Thanks for your comments. Cheers, Dave 2009/5/30 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colors textures are nice. Could use more image at the top for balance. Otherwise, lovely. On May 29, 2009, at 23:49 , David Savage wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
Thanks mate. The only problem I'm having with the D700 at the moment is that I've been shooting with it so much the rubber grip on the front by the rear command dial are coming unstuck. Time to send it in for a warranty fix methinks. Cheers, Dave 2009/5/30 David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com: I like the blue tints in this one Dave. If you don't like that D700, send it over here and i;'ll dispose of it properly for you. Dave On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 2:49 AM, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
2009/5/30 Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm: On Sat, 30 May 2009 14:49 +0800, David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com wrote: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Yes they are. The bluish tint to the water against those red/brown rocks is spectacular. I agree that there's something not quite right with the composition. You possibly needed a higher viewpoint so that the top of the image was the unobstructed water in the upper pond rather than the rocky cliff face, which seems to be cut off. I suspect a higher viewpoint probably wasn't feasible, though. An excellent pano none the less. No, a higher viewpoint wasn't possible, but If I had simply tilted the camera up more it would have worked better. Oh well, live lean stuff. :-) Thanks for looking. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
Thanks Anthony. Cheers, Dave 2009/5/30 Anthony Farr farranth...@gmail.com: Dreamy. regards, Anthony Of what use is lens and light to those who lack in mind and sight (Anon) 2009/5/30 David Savage ozsav...@gmail.com: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT PESO - Levels (Pano)
2009/5/30 Bob W p...@web-options.com: G'day Trendsetters, A 4 frame pano from Dales Gorge, Karijini National Park, Westerm Australia: http://www.flickr.com/photos/disavage/3577880434/ Direct link (Large ~300kb) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_4c73374e27_b.jpg Direct link (Original ~3.8MB) http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3564/3577880434_d63eee60d2_o.jpg I'm not happy with the composition of this one, but the colours textures are nice. Enjoy. That's a nice picture of a beautiful scene. The only major criticism I have is that it doesn't have Jenny Agutter swimming naked in it. Famous scene here, for pervs of a certain age: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IviQavf3zqQfeature=related I knew I should have sprung for the sexy lady accessory when I got the D700. I think all of my shots could be improved with Ms Agutter in them. :-) Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2009 - 080 - GDG
Thanks Joseph. From: Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com There's one in every outdoor cafe. And you found her. Nice tonality and presentation. Lots of freckles, or Tri-X filter? Did you wait for a gotcha moment? I would have! :-) She's a barista at the local coffee shop where I stop for my cup on my morning walks. When she goes on break, if I'm there, she comes out and sits at the table with me, chatters about stuff. Nice gal, funny. I did get a nice shot of her face, but I promised her I wouldn't post it anywhere. ... Hey, it was film! Didn't notice until my third look! yes, Kodak Advantix BW 400. About five years out of date ... not one of my frozen stock ... so the images have a very heavy, grainy stressed feel. It's fun. Godfrey http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3579077139_021d427ae1_o.jpg 080 - Resistance - Sunnyvale 2009 Contax Tix - Kodak Advantix BW 400 Nikon LS-40, Lightroom processing flickr page: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gdgphoto/3579077139/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
