Re: PESO - first photo for 2010...

[Bruce Dayton]

Hello Bong,

Seems you are doing better than me.  I don't think I have shot
anything that was not some event or people associated with an event.
Must get out and shoot!

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Sunday, January 10, 2010, 7:37:54 AM, you wrote:

BM> ...that is not someone else' birthday, Christmas or wedding party.

BM> http://bongmanayon.posterous.com/manic-depressive

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Re: GESO - winter shots

[Christian]

Bob Sullivan wrote:

Very good Stan.  I recognize the Downey Woodpecker(?).  I like the
2nd.  Is that a Cedar Wax wing?  Haven't seen any of those in years.
Can't identify the 3rd, but perhaps a nuthatch from the face down
position.  And your squirrel buddy looks lovable,but mischievous.
Regards,  Bob S.


Cute birds.  The one's you can't identify are a titmouse and a nuthatch.


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Re: low light autofocus

[Tom C]

I really haven't had a complaint about the 28-200 on either film (used
for years on my Pz-1p) or digital bodies.  Overall I get satisfactory
results and I find that since Pentax digital bodies typically perform
less than average sharpening in RAW, I can unsharp mask and get
perfectly fine results.

Tom

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 3:05 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I find that the 28-200mm is really quite good, on the *ist-D,  it's short
> throw focusing does make the most of Pentax autofocus motors, though I
> seldom use autofocus, and it's even pretty good on the K20D if you stop down
> a bit...  It's also surprisingly flair free for a complex zoom lens.
>
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20thebirds.html
>
> On 1/10/2010 1:13 PM, Thomas Cakalic wrote:
>>
>> Amazing considering they brought the first AF SLR body to market.
>>
>> For the times that I use AF in low-light, I've overall found it works
>> pretty decently on the *ist D at least.  I just had it out at the ski
>> area last week.  Night, people picture, in front of ski slope lit for
>> night skiing.  Not a bright scene at all.  AF hunted one or two times,
>> but focus locked and image was in focus. That was with the much
>> maligned FA 28-200.
>>
>> Of course this was a stationary subject.  If I was in low light taking
>> grab shots I would expect the AF to perform not quite as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM, William Robb  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "Gonz"
>>> Subject: low light autofocus
>>>
>>>
>>>

 Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
 relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
 and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
 FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
 shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
 alone low light.

>>>
>>> The K7 at least has an AF illuminator which will turn on and let you
>>> focus
>>> on what just happened.
>>> It won't turn on until well after what you wanted to photograph has left
>>> the
>>> building though.
>>> Unfortunately, if you want good low light AF, the words Nikon and Canon
>>> are
>>> where you will find your answer.
>>>
>>> Back in August I was using both K7 and K20 at a wedding, the AF in
>>> neither
>>> camera worked well in moderately low light conditions if the subject was
>>> moving even slightly.
>>> Autofocus is still an unexplored frontier for Pentax. They know what it
>>> looks like, but they seem afraid to implement it into their cameras in a
>>> meaningful way.
>>>
>>> William Robb
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Re: GESO - winter shots

[Christine Aguila]

Very nice, Stan!  Lovely bokeh too.  13 & 14 are great--squirrel is great, 
background on the other one a bit distracting, but still nice work.  Cheers, 
Christine




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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 9:40 PM
Subject: GESO - winter shots


I've added 5 shots to the PESO section of my Zenfolio site. The first  one 
is here


http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1cd6d7c1

and you can navigate on from there.

Note that these were all taken with the DA*50-135/2.8 + the F 1.7x AF 
adapter. I was pleasantly surprised.


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Re: low light autofocus

[David Savage]

Agreed.

I use it now and again on the D700.

On 11/01/2010, Adam Maas  wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> I find the Auto-AF point to be one of the worst features I've ever
>> experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I check and sure
>> enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto select.  I alway use
>> center point, focus, then recompose.
>>
>> I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I want focus
>> and experience shows it cannot.
>>
>
> Auto-select can be a very good feature. It works extremely well on
> high-end Nikon's and Canon's and is surprisingly good on the Panasonic
> m43 cameras. It tends to suck on low-point count AF units,
> particularly with Pentax.
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RE: OT More idiotic legislation

[John Sessoms]

From: Rob Studdert

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/11/2789372.htm

OK I see the point of managing onlookers but fining photographers
shooting in the public domain sounds draconian whatever the reason.
;-(


I think I understand the part about gawkers vehicles being in the way, 
but I'm generally suspicious any time the government wasn't want 
photographs taken.


Any time that happens, my suspicion is they're doing something wrong, 
trying to cover it up, and it's up to them to prove that they're not.


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RE: OT More idiotic legislation

[John Coyle]

That's typical modern government thinking - like speeding fines, issued
weeks after the event and therefore almost totally useless in preventing
repeat behaviour.  I can see the sense in moving people along if they are in
the way, and only fine them if they refuse - that's "obstructing the police,
etc... "
Unfortunately, we photographers are seen by some as a pest to be
exterminated.


John


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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/11/2789372.htm

OK I see the point of managing onlookers but fining photographers
shooting in the public domain sounds draconian whatever the reason.
;-(

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Re: Peso Butta side up.

[frank theriault]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:31 PM, P. J. Alling
 wrote:
> I wasn't talking about the inital connections, those are on the developers,
> but the ongoing costs  such as[ schools, fire and police protection,
> ambulance/ems, sewage treatment all cost the town more than the tax revenue
> generated.  That doesn't include upgrades that are often required by law.
>  Families with children are worse than retirees.  When the population of a
> Town reaches a certain level additional services are required by State, and
> Federal mandate, and sometimes demanded by the new residents as well.

Now that you clarify, I understand, and I'm certain that you're right...

Thanks for that.

cheers,
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Re: GESO - winter shots

[Bob Sullivan]

Very good Stan.  I recognize the Downey Woodpecker(?).  I like the
2nd.  Is that a Cedar Wax wing?  Haven't seen any of those in years.
Can't identify the 3rd, but perhaps a nuthatch from the face down
position.  And your squirrel buddy looks lovable,but mischievous.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Stan Halpin
 wrote:
> I've added 5 shots to the PESO section of my Zenfolio site. The first one is
> here
>
> http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1cd6d7c1
>
> and you can navigate on from there.
>
> Note that these were all taken with the DA*50-135/2.8 + the F 1.7x AF
> adapter. I was pleasantly surprised.
>
> stan
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GESO - winter shots

[Stan Halpin]

I've added 5 shots to the PESO section of my Zenfolio site. The first  
one is here


http://photos.stanhalpin.com/p155717848/e1cd6d7c1

and you can navigate on from there.

Note that these were all taken with the DA*50-135/2.8 + the F 1.7x AF  
adapter. I was pleasantly surprised.


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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Sandy Harris]

On 1/11/10, paul stenquist  wrote:

>>> Fast auto-focus. How important that is depends ...

>> I know. I photograph running and playing dogs almost every day. ... K20D ...
>> may occasionally result in one sharp image. ... the camera focuses, stops,
>> focuses, stops, etc., ...
>  >
>  > It's a travesty.

> The K7D does a much better job of that. I had a good hit ratio when
> shooting baseball, soccer and moving cars. Far more hits than with
> the K20.

Anyone know how the K-X compares?

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Re: Geso: Storm's cleared

[Bob Sullivan]

Thanks Marnie, that's a favorite spot. Bob S.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:17 PM,   wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 1/8/2010 12:38:39 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time,
> rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes:
> The storm has cleared  here, but it left us some  gifts...
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Winter2010#5424467820246342626
>
> K-7  + DA60-250/4 @ 60mm, f5.6 @ 1/2000 & ISO 1600
>
> The other two samples  in the album are also ISO 1600 on the DA60-250
>
> Regards,  Bob  S.
>
>
> ==
> The trees and the river are very nice.  Especially like the river for the
> three colors.
>
> Marnie aka Doe :-)
>
> -
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> created them. Albert Einstein
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Re: The many faces of Zali...

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jan 10, 2010, at 16:10 , Cotty wrote:


On 10/1/10, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'm
Christine, & I'm new, so you don't know me, but I have say, I've  
heard about

you, Tanya  :-)


Steady on Trouble ;-)

Not so new now. In fact it feels like ages. Can I call you mom?


Thought that was mum?


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Re: GESO - Cold Canal

[Joseph McAllister]

Nice series, Chris. Great getting out in the crisp air, is it not?


On Jan 10, 2010, at 14:42 , Chris Mitchell wrote:

The Grand Union Canal in Milton Keynes in its winter setting. Plus a  
couple

of an interesting church close by.
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Coldcanal/


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Re: How useful is SDM?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "eckinator" 
Subject: Re: How useful is SDM?




2010/1/10 Rob Studdert :


You might appreciate this little 7D test video:

http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/



ouch... that hurts indeed...


To be fair, he did have the dog running through a snow drift.
Not that my K7 would have kept up with that anyway.

William Robb

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OT More idiotic legislation

[Rob Studdert]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/11/2789372.htm

OK I see the point of managing onlookers but fining photographers
shooting in the public domain sounds draconian whatever the reason.
;-(

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Re: The many faces of Zali...

[Christine Aguila]

From: "Cotty" 



On 10/1/10, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'm
Christine, & I'm new, so you don't know me, but I have say, I've heard 
about

you, Tanya  :-)


Steady on Trouble ;-)


Relax, I meant the above in the best sense.


Not so new now. In fact it feels like ages. Can I call you mom?


Hell, no!  Trouble will do just fine ;-)



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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Rob Studdert]

On 11/01/2010, Cotty  wrote:
> On 11/1/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:
>
> >You might appreciate this little 7D test video:
> >
> >http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/
>
> Saw it with my own eyes back in 2004. 1DmII and 70-200 2.8L IS. Nobody
> would believe me...

What I like most about this page is that it's primarily a test to
check performance in the cold, the accuracy/quality of the AF
performance is simply expected. I know that regardless of the money I
spend on Pentax kit I could never expect that sort of performance and
that's pretty sad.

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Re: The many faces of Zali...

[Cotty]

On 10/1/10, Christine Aguila, discombobulated, unleashed:

> I'm
>Christine, & I'm new, so you don't know me, but I have say, I've heard about
>you, Tanya  :-)

Steady on Trouble ;-)

Not so new now. In fact it feels like ages. Can I call you mom?

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Cotty]

On 11/1/10, Rob Studdert, discombobulated, unleashed:

>You might appreciate this little 7D test video:
>
>http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/

Saw it with my own eyes back in 2004. 1DmII and 70-200 2.8L IS. Nobody
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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:55 PM, John Sessoms  wrote:
> From: Adam Maas
>>
>> That should cover a D300, 6 lenses and a flash. The D300 performs very
>> similarly to the 7D.
>>
>> But your bodies alone will pay for a 7D (LXen are still worth money).
>
> I looked at a D300 in a pawn shop yesterday. Went in to look at chainsaws,
> kinda still hoping mine might someday show up.
>
> Anyway, I looked at the cameras they had. They had a used D300 kit with
> battery grip & 28-200 zoom. Asking $2400. I just don't see it, but maybe
> there's someone out there willing to pay that much for it.
>
> They also had a P30, but I didn't bother.
>

$2400 will get you a new D300s, a battery grip and a used 28-200 or a
new D300s with the (actually pretty good) 18-200 VRII zoom.
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Re: How useful is SDM?

[John Sessoms]

From: Adam Maas

That should cover a D300, 6 lenses and a flash. The D300 performs very
similarly to the 7D.

But your bodies alone will pay for a 7D (LXen are still worth money).


I looked at a D300 in a pawn shop yesterday. Went in to look at 
chainsaws, kinda still hoping mine might someday show up.


Anyway, I looked at the cameras they had. They had a used D300 kit with 
battery grip & 28-200 zoom. Asking $2400. I just don't see it, but maybe 
there's someone out there willing to pay that much for it.


They also had a P30, but I didn't bother.

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Re: GESO - Cold Canal

[Christine Aguila]

Nice work, Chris.
I love this shot.  That's a great name--Moose Drool; I'm still giggling.
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Coldcanal/slides/_IGP1653.html
Very nice.  Gives a great sense of, well, cold.  :-)
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Coldcanal/slides/_IGP1657.html

Cheers, Christine



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Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:42 PM
Subject: GESO - Cold Canal


The Grand Union Canal in Milton Keynes in its winter setting. Plus a 
couple

of an interesting church close by.
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Coldcanal/

Chris



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Re: GESO - Across Australia and back

[Christian]

Some great shots and scenery there, Brian.  Makes me really want to get 
out West next time we go.


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Brian Walters wrote:

I've finally finished organising the photos from my trip across to
Western Australia and back last year.  What a bloody relief! 
Cataloguing, keywording etc has taken twice as long as the trip itself.


Here's a selection:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1370864/eastwest/index.html


Note, it's a large gallery so I can't imagine anyone would want to wade
through the lot but the thumbnails load reasonably quickly and you might
find one or two that are worth investigating further.  Savage is in
there somewhere

PS:  I'll be looking at some of these as candidates for the 2009 PDML
book, so let me know if there are any you particularly like (or
hate)


Cheers

Brian

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Re: The many faces of Zali...

[Christine Aguila]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty" 

To: "pentax list" 
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: The many faces of Zali...



On 10/1/10, Tanya Love, discombobulated, unleashed:



Here's the link:

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=42668&id=1077428195&l=8794d63c34



beautiful work.



Agreed.  I especially like the painted face series & the beach shot.  I'm 
Christine, & I'm new, so you don't know me, but I have say, I've heard about 
you, Tanya  :-).  cheers, Christine 




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Re: Geso: Storm's cleared

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In a message dated 1/8/2010 12:38:39 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes:
The storm has cleared  here, but it left us some  gifts...

http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/Winter2010#5424467820246342626

K-7  + DA60-250/4 @ 60mm, f5.6 @ 1/2000 & ISO 1600

The other two samples  in the album are also ISO 1600 on the DA60-250

Regards,  Bob  S.


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The trees and the river are very nice.  Especially like the river for the 
three colors.

Marnie aka Doe :-)  

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RE: How useful is SDM?

[Bob W]

> >
> > You might appreciate this little 7D test video:
> >
> > http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/
> >
> 
> ouch... that hurts indeed...
> 

Very impressive

Bob


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Re: PESO 2010 - 006 - GDG

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In a message dated 1/8/2010 10:22:35 P.M.  Pacific Standard Time, 
ramar...@mac.com writes:
Sometimes you have to have a  little fun ...

http://godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com/out-of-the-woods

comments always  appreciated, thanks for looking.

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Definitely  fun.

Marnie aka Doe  Stuffed animals always make me smile too.  

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Re: PESO -- Connecticut Zen XX

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In a message dated 1/9/2010 3:08:01 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes:
Black and White conversion  using Fotomatic B&W Plus/Green  filter.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20connecticutzenxx.html

Equipment  K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

As usual comments are welcome but may  be totally ignored.


===
I like, but wish background  above weed had a bit more detail, my eye 
travels up and finds nothing  up.

HTH, Marnie aka Doe  :-)

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Christine Aguila]

I have the FA 50 f1.4 & the DA* 50 - 135mm f2.8.  My own experience has been 
that the DA* focusing is better:  quieter & faster.  Though I should say 
that I don't really test equipment like the guys on the list do.  Bill 
Robb's comments should be taken seriously, but, again, my own experience has 
been the DA* focusing is so much better.  I'd like to purchase the DA* 
primes, but that's not really in the cards now, but if I could, as I say, I 
would.  I should also say that I don't own the DA* 16-50mm f2.8, and have 
never really coveted that one--I would admit to being nervous in buying that 
lens because of all the stated reasons. If you want a medium-tele zoom, buy 
the DA* 50-13mm.  You won't regret it. Cheers, Christine




- Original Message - 
From: "Sandy Harris" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:24 AM
Subject: How useful is SDM?



I have never used an autofocus system. I find myself comparing lenses
with an SDM motor to ones without. For example, the 17-70 f4 has SDM
but 16-45 does not. 55/1.4 does but 50/1.4 and 70/2.4 do not.

There are plenty of other differences -- notably price, weight and
focal length -- and I have some idea how to balance those in relation
to my usage and preferences. However, I don't have much idea how
important or useful the SDM motor is, so I am asking here.

Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An
important factor? Somewhere between?

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RE: GESO - Cold Canal

[Bob W]

> 
> The Grand Union Canal in Milton Keynes in its winter setting. 
> Plus a couple of an interesting church close by.
> http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Coldcanal/
> 

Looks great. I keep wishing the Thames would freeze - a frost fair would be
great to photograph - but it's thawing here now, and looks set to be above
zero for the rest of the week.

I like the shots of Willen Church - beautiful architecture with similarities
to the Royal Observatory (Wren). Very severe, rational and rigorous.

Bob


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Re: low light autofocus

[Christine Aguila]

I struggle a bit too in low light with the FA 50 f1.4 on the K20D, but I'm 
so used to it now, I kind of know what to expect and try my work-arounds.  I 
find with the FA 50, I have to goose the focus a bit--that is, I 1/2 press 
the shutter, get the yellow hexagon, then 1/2 press the shutter again, and 
the lens focuses again just a tiny bit (it's like the lens nudges into focus 
just that extra smidgeon it needs), then I get the yellow hexagon again, 
then it's press the shutter all the way down.  Now, I'm sure this sounds odd 
and slow, but it's a work-around I've used *when needed* & it works pretty 
well--though I should say, I don't always need to do this.  Do I sometimes 
miss shots?  Yep.  Is it annoying?  Yep.  For this reason, I spent a little 
bit of time trying to improve my flash skills, and feel I'm getting better 
at blending flash ( from the Pentax 360) with ambient light, but it would be 
nice to have a camera body with solid low light AF capabilities.  Cheers, 
Christine




- Original Message - 
From: "Gonz" 

To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 11:36 AM
Subject: low light autofocus



Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
alone low light.

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RE: This Is London

[Chris Mitchell]

> From: 
> Subject: This Is London
> 
> I spent the afternoon up west. As the daylight faded and the lights
> came on
> there was a flurry of snow. I only had my phone camera with me, but it
> has a
> nice random quality about the timing - it takes 1, 2 maybe 3 seconds
> for the
> shutter to fire after I've pressed the button, so I never quite know
> what
> I'll get. You have to try and predict, and hope for the best.
> 
> http://www.web-options.com/Upwest/
> 
> Bob
Some really good stuff here Bob. Just goes to show that we don't need all
that expensive gear. And you didn't get arrested either!

Chris



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Re: How useful is SDM?

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2010/1/10 Rob Studdert :
>
> You might appreciate this little 7D test video:
>
> http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/
>

ouch... that hurts indeed...

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Re: PESO - Toby

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In a message dated 1/9/2010 3:00:20 P.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
tanyal...@bigpond.com writes:
Hey there Marnie! :)

I  have two eyes and a very blown out hot spot on the forehead, but that
could  be because I am viewing it on my uncallibrated laptop.

Frank - I think  that what let's this shot down is that the light source is
so high, so it  makes the shadows below and around his nose a little too
pronounced, I  think.  What are you shooting with these  days?

Tan.x.
=
Hi Tan, I am still getting my head  around the number of kids you have now. 
;-) 

Glad you are doing  well.

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Adam Maas]

That should cover a D300, 6 lenses and a flash. The D300 performs very
similarly to the 7D.

But your bodies alone will pay for a 7D (LXen are still worth money).

-Adam

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
> Now. Now I'm pissed.
>
> Gotta see what I  can get on trade for 2 K20d, 1 K10D, 1 PZ-1p, 3 LX, 1
> Program Plus, 40 some odd Pentax lenses, and tons of Pentax specific
> accessories.
>
>  If it won't cover the cost of a 7D and at least 6 lenses and a flash of
> high regard, then I'm stuck with what I've got.
>
> :-(
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 14:23 , Rob Studdert wrote:
>
>> On 11/01/2010, Joseph McAllister  wrote:
>>
>>> I know. I photograph running and playing dogs almost every day. A large
>>> dog
>>> running towards me from 100 ft away, sunny day, K20D center focused, high
>>> speed continuous, ƒ4 60-250 @ 135mm, may occasionally result in one sharp
>>> image. If you don't even shoot, just watch the image through the finder,
>>> you
>>> can see that the camera focuses, stops, focuses, stops, etc., sometimes
>>> catching up, and never predicting the location of the subject soon enough
>>> to
>>> actually allow the shutter to trip when it arrives.
>>>
>>> It's a travesty.
>>
>> You might appreciate this little 7D test video:
>>
>> http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/
>
> Joseph McAllister
> pentax...@mac.com
>
> "Gaudeamus igitur, juvenes dum sumus..."
> http://tinyurl.com/ndmfhb
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GESO - Cold Canal

[Chris Mitchell]

The Grand Union Canal in Milton Keynes in its winter setting. Plus a couple
of an interesting church close by.
http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/Coldcanal/

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Joseph McAllister]

Now. Now I'm pissed.

Gotta see what I  can get on trade for 2 K20d, 1 K10D, 1 PZ-1p, 3 LX,  
1 Program Plus, 40 some odd Pentax lenses, and tons of Pentax specific  
accessories.


 If it won't cover the cost of a 7D and at least 6 lenses and a flash  
of high regard, then I'm stuck with what I've got.


:-(


On Jan 10, 2010, at 14:23 , Rob Studdert wrote:


On 11/01/2010, Joseph McAllister  wrote:

I know. I photograph running and playing dogs almost every day. A  
large dog
running towards me from 100 ft away, sunny day, K20D center  
focused, high
speed continuous, ƒ4 60-250 @ 135mm, may occasionally result in one  
sharp
image. If you don't even shoot, just watch the image through the  
finder, you
can see that the camera focuses, stops, focuses, stops, etc.,  
sometimes
catching up, and never predicting the location of the subject soon  
enough to

actually allow the shutter to trip when it arrives.

It's a travesty.


You might appreciate this little 7D test video:

http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/


Joseph McAllister
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Re: Peso Butta side up.

[P. J. Alling]

I wasn't talking about the inital connections, those are on the 
developers, but the ongoing costs  such as[ schools, fire and police 
protection, ambulance/ems, sewage treatment all cost the town more than 
the tax revenue generated.  That doesn't include upgrades that are often 
required by law.  Families with children are worse than retirees.  When 
the population of a Town reaches a certain level additional services are 
required by State, and Federal mandate, and sometimes demanded by the 
new residents as well.


On 1/10/2010 10:23 AM, frank theriault wrote:

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM, P. J. Alling
  wrote:
   

It's the money from the developers for their reelection campaigns that's the
only real benefit   The economics of residential development, at least in
New England is that the services required by the developments cost more than
the new tax revenue generate so higher taxes for all eventually result.
 

I ~could~ be wrong, but I think that around here the developer must
pay for the new services to be installed in their development.  Of
course, repairs and upgrades over the years are on the taxpayers', but
initial installation is part of the price of the development.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

cheers,
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Re: How useful is SDM?

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On 11/01/2010, Joseph McAllister  wrote:

> I know. I photograph running and playing dogs almost every day. A large dog
> running towards me from 100 ft away, sunny day, K20D center focused, high
> speed continuous, ƒ4 60-250 @ 135mm, may occasionally result in one sharp
> image. If you don't even shoot, just watch the image through the finder, you
> can see that the camera focuses, stops, focuses, stops, etc., sometimes
> catching up, and never predicting the location of the subject soon enough to
> actually allow the shutter to trip when it arrives.
>
> It's a travesty.

You might appreciate this little 7D test video:

http://canonfieldreviews.com/7d-cold-winter/

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Re: low light autofocus

[John Sessoms]

From: "William Robb"

From: "John Sessoms"
Subject: Re: low light autofocus



>
> The AF-360FGZ & AF-540FGZ both have an AF assist spotbeam. When used in 
> spotbeam mode, the flash does not fire.


Unfortunately, shoe mount flash units don't balance well with the way I use 
a camera.


Might work for Gonz though.

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Re: How useful is SDM?

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On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:13 PM, Joseph McAllister wrote:

> 
> On Jan 10, 2010, at 11:45 , William Robb wrote:
> 
>> - Original Message - From: "John Sessoms"
>> Subject: RE: How useful is SDM?
>> 
>> Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An
 important factor? Somewhere between?
>>> 
>>> Fast auto-focus. How important that is depends on what you're doing with 
>>> your camera.
>>> 
>> 
>> The sad fact is, this doesn't hold true with Pentax.
>> While SDM AF is nominally faster than screwdrive, it isn't a night the night 
>> vs. day thing you will find if you pick up a higher end Canon.
>> Seriously, if really fast AF is someting you really need, Pentax is not the 
>> camera maker for you
> 
> 
> Think back to the good old days, where you had to practice, practice, 
> practice to get the timing perfect to capture a shot you'd prefocused using 
> the carpet, a post, or a yellow spot in the grass? Remember the time you 
> spent follow focusing a subject that was moving towards or away from you?
> 
> You should maintain those skills when using Pentax cameras, as they are not 
> capable of performing these tasks for you except in bright sunlight with an 
> ƒ4 or faster lens.
> 
> I know. I photograph running and playing dogs almost every day. A large dog 
> running towards me from 100 ft away, sunny day, K20D center focused, high 
> speed continuous, ƒ4 60-250 @ 135mm, may occasionally result in one sharp 
> image. If you don't even shoot, just watch the image through the finder, you 
> can see that the camera focuses, stops, focuses, stops, etc., sometimes 
> catching up, and never predicting the location of the subject soon enough to 
> actually allow the shutter to trip when it arrives.
> 
> It's a travesty.
> 
> Seems to work in video, such as it is. Hmmm.
> 
> 
The K7D does a much better job of that. I had a good hit ratio when shooting 
baseball, soccer and moving cars. Far more hits than with the K20.
Paul

> 
> If it doesn’t excite you,
> This thing that you see,
> Why in the world,
> Would it excite me?
> —Jay Maisel
> 
> Joseph McAllister
> pentax...@mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: PESO - Tube Steaks

[John Sessoms]

From: ann sanfedele

frank theriault wrote:


>Here in Toronto we call what these ubiquitous vendors sell "tube
>steaks" or "street meat".
>
>Nothing spectacular, just another slice o' life from our city:
>
>http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/tube-steaks.html
>
>Hope you enjoy.  Comment if you wish.
>
>cheers,
>frank
>


Kinda nice and you taught me new slang - or did you make up "tube steak" 
for sausage?


I remember hot dogs being called "tube steak" when I was a child. Sort 
of hillbilly chic. Some people couldn't afford real steak, and giving 
hot dogs a fancy name kinda' made up for it in a joking kind of way ... 
almost.


Of course, that was way back when, long before people got conscious of 
what went into making hot dogs. They were delicious, with mustard, 
ketchup, chili & onions, especially if there was a baseball game to 
watch while you were eating them, but probably had a lot of things 
they're not allowed to put in there today, and that you wouldn't want to 
know about anyway.


The other meanings alluded to didn't seem to come into use until after I 
was an adult, but maybe they were there and I just didn't get the joke 
when I was a kid.


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Re: PESO - Tube Steaks

[P. J. Alling]

On 1/10/2010 3:36 PM, ann sanfedele wrote:



frank theriault wrote:


Here in Toronto we call what these ubiquitous vendors sell "tube
steaks" or "street meat".

Nothing spectacular, just another slice o' life from our city:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/tube-steaks.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comment if you wish.

cheers,
frank



Kinda nice and you taught me new slang - or did you make up "tube 
steak" for sausage?


"Ah, yes, the noble tube steak."
   -- W. C. Fields "My little Chickadee"  (IIRC, I 
didn't bother to look it up.)




Probably hard for Mark to even look at that  :-)

ann













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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Joseph McAllister]

On Jan 10, 2010, at 11:45 , William Robb wrote:


- Original Message - From: "John Sessoms"
Subject: RE: How useful is SDM?

Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An

important factor? Somewhere between?


Fast auto-focus. How important that is depends on what you're doing  
with your camera.




The sad fact is, this doesn't hold true with Pentax.
While SDM AF is nominally faster than screwdrive, it isn't a night  
the night vs. day thing you will find if you pick up a higher end  
Canon.
Seriously, if really fast AF is someting you really need, Pentax is  
not the camera maker for you



Think back to the good old days, where you had to practice, practice,  
practice to get the timing perfect to capture a shot you'd prefocused  
using the carpet, a post, or a yellow spot in the grass? Remember the  
time you spent follow focusing a subject that was moving towards or  
away from you?


You should maintain those skills when using Pentax cameras, as they  
are not capable of performing these tasks for you except in bright  
sunlight with an ƒ4 or faster lens.


I know. I photograph running and playing dogs almost every day. A  
large dog running towards me from 100 ft away, sunny day, K20D center  
focused, high speed continuous, ƒ4 60-250 @ 135mm, may occasionally  
result in one sharp image. If you don't even shoot, just watch the  
image through the finder, you can see that the camera focuses, stops,  
focuses, stops, etc., sometimes catching up, and never predicting the  
location of the subject soon enough to actually allow the shutter to  
trip when it arrives.


It's a travesty.

Seems to work in video, such as it is. Hmmm.



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This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
Would it excite me?
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Re: low light autofocus

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2010/1/10 John Sessoms :
>
> The AF-360FGZ & AF-540FGZ both have an AF assist spotbeam. When used in
> spotbeam mode, the flash does not fire.

Yeah, the 540 was my first purchase after body & lens. Camera
controlled spotbeam in my experience is "too little too late" - it
doesn't come on until after some heavy hunting and usually doesn't
change much. I'll try spotbeam mode next time I need it. Maybe that
will do the trick.
Cheers
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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[Christian]

Yep.  Spent 2 weeks or so in Tamworth with Kerry and Alex visiting the 
in-laws for Christmas and New Year and then 6 days in Manly.  We just 
got home last night.


some blog entries here:
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and:
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Tanya Love wrote:

Hey Christian!!

You were in Sydney?!?


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Tanya @ Ankle Biters wrote:
Hey there PDML'ers!! 


Anyone remember me?

Cotty, I see you're still around, making the place smell bad... hehehe...

Tan.x.




OH...MY...GOD...

Rob, Anthony, Brian and I were just talking about you in Sydney... :-)
Welcome back.





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Re: PESO -- Connecticut Zen XX

[P. J. Alling]

That's snow covered Ice, Oh scone* of the frozen north...

* I thought this misspelling was more fun than the proper word...

On 1/10/2010 11:14 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

That bit above the, . you know.

Dave

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:17 AM, P. J. Alling
  wrote:
   

Sky???

On 1/10/2010 9:40 AM, David J Brooks wrote:
 

I like this one a lot.

A bit to much sky me thinks

Dave

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 6:11 PM, P. J. Alling
  wrote:

   

Black and White conversion using Fotomatic B&W Plus/Green filter.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20connecticutzenxx.html

Equipment K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.

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Re: low light autofocus

[P. J. Alling]

I find that the 28-200mm is really quite good, on the *ist-D,  it's 
short throw focusing does make the most of Pentax autofocus motors, 
though I seldom use autofocus, and it's even pretty good on the K20D if 
you stop down a bit...  It's also surprisingly flair free for a complex 
zoom lens.


https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20thebirds.html

On 1/10/2010 1:13 PM, Thomas Cakalic wrote:

Amazing considering they brought the first AF SLR body to market.

For the times that I use AF in low-light, I've overall found it works
pretty decently on the *ist D at least.  I just had it out at the ski
area last week.  Night, people picture, in front of ski slope lit for
night skiing.  Not a bright scene at all.  AF hunted one or two times,
but focus locked and image was in focus. That was with the much
maligned FA 28-200.

Of course this was a stationary subject.  If I was in low light taking
grab shots I would expect the AF to perform not quite as well.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM, William Robb  wrote:
   

- Original Message - From: "Gonz"
Subject: low light autofocus


 

Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
alone low light.
   

The K7 at least has an AF illuminator which will turn on and let you focus
on what just happened.
It won't turn on until well after what you wanted to photograph has left the
building though.
Unfortunately, if you want good low light AF, the words Nikon and Canon are
where you will find your answer.

Back in August I was using both K7 and K20 at a wedding, the AF in neither
camera worked well in moderately low light conditions if the subject was
moving even slightly.
Autofocus is still an unexplored frontier for Pentax. They know what it
looks like, but they seem afraid to implement it into their cameras in a
meaningful way.

William Robb

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Re: low light autofocus

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: low light autofocus





The AF-360FGZ & AF-540FGZ both have an AF assist spotbeam. When used in 
spotbeam mode, the flash does not fire.


Unfortunately, shoe mount flash units don't balance well with the way I use 
a camera.


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Re: low light autofocus

[John Sessoms]

From: "William Robb"

From: "Gonz"
Subject: low light autofocus



> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
> alone low light.


The K7 at least has an AF illuminator which will turn on and let you focus 
on what just happened.
It won't turn on until well after what you wanted to photograph has left the 
building though.
Unfortunately, if you want good low light AF, the words Nikon and Canon are 
where you will find your answer.


Back in August I was using both K7 and K20 at a wedding, the AF in neither 
camera worked well in moderately low light conditions if the subject was 
moving even slightly.
Autofocus is still an unexplored frontier for Pentax. They know what it 
looks like, but they seem afraid to implement it into their cameras in a 
meaningful way.


The AF-360FGZ & AF-540FGZ both have an AF assist spotbeam. When used in 
spotbeam mode, the flash does not fire.


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Re: low light autofocus

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On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Margus Männik wrote:

> It doesn't have a dedicated light source like K-7, but the raised internal 
> flash acts as an AF assist lamp.
> 
As I thought. I'd be very surprised if that were as effective as the K-7's 
light source. If it's anything like the flash assist on the K20, it would be 
almost useless.
Paul

> BR, Margus
> 
> paul stenquist wrote:
>> On Jan 10, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Margus Männik wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>> I had an opportunity to shoot in the dim winter forest with all those three 
>>> bodies some weeks ago. Honestly said, K-7 is quite a small improvement in 
>>> terms of low-light AF. K-x is much more significant step ahead.
>>> 
>>>
>> Does Kx have the low light autofocus assist that the K7 has? I found that 
>> for shooting events like wedding receptions in low-light the K7 autofocus is 
>> far better than the K20. With the K20 I had to resort to manual focus -- or 
>> when too dim -- focus by lens barrel markings. The K7 seems to be able to 
>> handle focus in a rather dark room.
>> Paul
>>  
>>> BR, Margus
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Adam Maas wrote:
>>>
 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Gonz  wrote:
   
> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
> alone low light.
> 
> -gonz
> 
>   
 Not really. The K-7 and K-x are definite improvements but no Pentax
 body has really good AF.
 
   
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Re: Peso Butta side up.

[John Sessoms]

From: frank theriault

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:23 AM, P. J. Alling  
wrote:

> It's the money from the developers for their reelection campaigns that's the
> only real benefit ? The economics of residential development, at least in
> New England is that the services required by the developments cost more than
> the new tax revenue generate so higher taxes for all eventually result.


I ~could~ be wrong, but I think that around here the developer must
pay for the new services to be installed in their development.  Of
course, repairs and upgrades over the years are on the taxpayers', but
initial installation is part of the price of the development.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.


It depends on the locale.

Around here they charge "impact fees" on the development. Those fees 
don't always cover the WHOLE cost of the required infrastructure 
improvements (i.e. additional schools), nor do they alleviate many of 
the social costs (i.e. additional miles of stop & go traffic to get out 
to what used to be the country).


Back when Road Runner had usenet servers I posted to 
alt.binaries.photos.original. They'd occasionally have themes & such, 
kind of like the monthly PUG themes.


One I remember was "Song Titles" - I remember it because one title I 
chose to illustrate was "Country Roads".


Set out from the house to photograph a couple of old scenic farm roads I 
remembered just outside of Raleigh. Sixty miles later, I was still 
looking. Had subdivisions on both sides of the roads.


Every one of those old roads was buried under 4 lanes & strip malls & 
traffic signals every 200 feet. Somebody moved the country while I 
wasn't lookin'


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Re: low light autofocus

[Margus Männik]

It doesn't have a dedicated light source like K-7, but the raised 
internal flash acts as an AF assist lamp.


BR, Margus

paul stenquist wrote:

On Jan 10, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Margus Männik wrote:

  

I had an opportunity to shoot in the dim winter forest with all those three 
bodies some weeks ago. Honestly said, K-7 is quite a small improvement in terms 
of low-light AF. K-x is much more significant step ahead.



Does Kx have the low light autofocus assist that the K7 has? I found that for 
shooting events like wedding receptions in low-light the K7 autofocus is far 
better than the K20. With the K20 I had to resort to manual focus -- or when 
too dim -- focus by lens barrel markings. The K7 seems to be able to handle 
focus in a rather dark room.
Paul
  

BR, Margus


Adam Maas wrote:


On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Gonz  wrote:
 
  

Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
alone low light.

-gonz

   


Not really. The K-7 and K-x are definite improvements but no Pentax
body has really good AF.

 
  

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RE: January PUG, last call

[John Sessoms]

From: Scott Loveless

The theme is Celebrate.  I think we may have recently celebrated some
minor holiday or two.  http://pdmlpug.org/?page_id=43


My first PUG submission.

I followed the instructions, and it said it was submitted ...

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Peso - 14th and 2nd

[ann sanfedele]

http://tinyurl.com/ydxmyp8

http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/New-York-New-York/2564371_i3HHm/1/761686028_ZsRjD/Large


look, look - it was taken with an "whole" Pentax :-)

back story --
I mistakenly thought the January PUG for _this_ year was "monochrome" so 
went searching for
candidates in my files... thought I would review the P&S Pentaxes I 
thought I might buy in December
of 2008 that I tried out and found this.  Doesn't quite fit the upcoming 
theme :)


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Re: low light autofocus

[paul stenquist]

On Jan 10, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Margus Männik wrote:

> I had an opportunity to shoot in the dim winter forest with all those three 
> bodies some weeks ago. Honestly said, K-7 is quite a small improvement in 
> terms of low-light AF. K-x is much more significant step ahead.
> 
Does Kx have the low light autofocus assist that the K7 has? I found that for 
shooting events like wedding receptions in low-light the K7 autofocus is far 
better than the K20. With the K20 I had to resort to manual focus -- or when 
too dim -- focus by lens barrel markings. The K7 seems to be able to handle 
focus in a rather dark room.
Paul
> BR, Margus
> 
> 
> Adam Maas wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Gonz  wrote:
>>  
>>> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
>>> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
>>> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
>>> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
>>> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
>>> alone low light.
>>> 
>>> -gonz
>>> 
>>>
>> 
>> Not really. The K-7 and K-x are definite improvements but no Pentax
>> body has really good AF.
>> 
>>  
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Re: peso pleasure plus

[eckinator]

2010/1/10 paul stenquist :
> You have to stop dicking around with stuff like this!

You might get shafted if you don't...

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Re: PESO - Tube Steaks

[ann sanfedele]

frank theriault wrote:


Here in Toronto we call what these ubiquitous vendors sell "tube
steaks" or "street meat".

Nothing spectacular, just another slice o' life from our city:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/01/tube-steaks.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comment if you wish.

cheers,
frank



Kinda nice and you taught me new slang - or did you make up "tube steak" 
for sausage?


Probably hard for Mark to even look at that  :-)

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Re: low light autofocus

[Margus Männik]

I had an opportunity to shoot in the dim winter forest with all those 
three bodies some weeks ago. Honestly said, K-7 is quite a small 
improvement in terms of low-light AF. K-x is much more significant step 
ahead.


BR, Margus


Adam Maas wrote:

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Gonz  wrote:
  

Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
alone low light.

-gonz




Not really. The K-7 and K-x are definite improvements but no Pentax
body has really good AF.

  



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Re: PESO - Tube Steaks

[ann sanfedele]

David J Brooks wrote:


On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
 


David J Brooks wrote:

   


On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 8:18 PM, paul stenquist  wrote:
 


I like it. The fat guy who wants to kill you makes the shot:-).
Paul
   


How do you think he got like that.

Street meat.:-)
 


I remember your comment after trying a North Carolina "biscuits and
gravy" breakfast after GFM!
   



My idea of gravy is a LOT different than the south's version.LOL

Dave



Lets not confuse the breakfast at the GFM cafeteria with real , well 
prepared  southern and south western cookin, either


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Re: low light autofocus

[eckinator]

I think it is perhaps a question of how well a camera's af/metering
system can "identify" and "understand" what is in an image - IIRC
Nikon advertised the F5 as having a database of 30.000 typical light
distributions for common image situations which would let it choose
both focus point and metering priority. I have never read a single
word in any Pentax publication how they do their metering and auto af
point selections. Now, back to Kumbayah =)

2010/1/10 Adam Maas :
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Tom C  wrote:
>> I find the Auto-AF point to be one of the worst features I've ever
>> experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I check and sure
>> enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto select.  I alway use
>> center point, focus, then recompose.
>>
>> I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I want focus
>> and experience shows it cannot.
>>
>
> Auto-select can be a very good feature. It works extremely well on
> high-end Nikon's and Canon's and is surprisingly good on the Panasonic
> m43 cameras. It tends to suck on low-point count AF units,
> particularly with Pentax.
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Re: How useful is SDM?

[John Francis]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 04:24:50PM +0800, Sandy Harris wrote:
> I have never used an autofocus system. I find myself comparing lenses
> with an SDM motor to ones without. For example, the 17-70 f4 has SDM
> but 16-45 does not. 55/1.4 does but 50/1.4 and 70/2.4 do not.
> 
> There are plenty of other differences -- notably price, weight and
> focal length -- and I have some idea how to balance those in relation
> to my usage and preferences. However, I don't have much idea how
> important or useful the SDM motor is, so I am asking here.
> 
> Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An
> important factor? Somewhere between?

My belief is that the screw-drive AF system is a feature which will
eventually disappear from Pentax bodies.  I see it as analogous to
the dreaded Aperture Simulator; it will start off with some low-end
body dropping the feature to shave a little off the cost, but a few
years later it will spread throughout the product line.

At this point I wouldn't buy anything except SDM lenses, just as in
1995 I decided to only buy A-or-later lenses.

Not that there's any imminent danger of screw drive disappearing;
Pentax still support A-series lenses for (almost) everything, and
I expect that to go away long before Pentax drop any support for
later lenses.


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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[ann sanfedele]

I'm not a fan of face book... but I stayed on it because of two friends 
of mine specifically asking me to -

I seldom go there...

HOWEVER -- I did log in to see Tan's photo - after I waded through a 
bunch of other responses to the welcome back fairygirl posts  (I made 
mine just as a reply to her first one) to find the link .


Tan' that's a fun shot... I love it... and totally got the LInda Blair 
references lol!


Best,
ann

Paul Sorenson wrote:


Me, too...

-p

On 1/9/2010 7:37 PM, David J Brooks wrote:


I;m on Fb

Dave

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Tanya Love  
wrote:
  

Really?  I link to FB all the time and my hubby isn't a member and 
he can
always view everything I send to him.  All of my albums on there are 
set for

public viewing, so it shouldn't be an issue.

H, wonder if this direct link to the hosted image will work?

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs063.snc3/13037_1250744223537_ 


1077428195_787954_7191903_n.jpg



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Subject: Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

Since "You must long in to see this page," I guess only Cotty will 
be seeing

it...

As an aside, I fine it extremely annoying that sites that

A.) Have pretty much no restrictions on content.

and

B.) Have free memberships, (and therefore no real control over who 
sees that

content).

still require me to log in to see that content.

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Re: Bill Robb causing trouble again

[mike wilson]

Bob W wrote:

So... what would be the result if some of the quotations 


from the 2009 


PDML were dumped into that online robot animation tool Bill uses?
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/5928407/


Aha! _Now_ it all makes sense.




It's all in the delivery.


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Re: low light autofocus

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Tom C  wrote:
> I find the Auto-AF point to be one of the worst features I've ever
> experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I check and sure
> enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto select.  I alway use
> center point, focus, then recompose.
>
> I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I want focus
> and experience shows it cannot.
>

Auto-select can be a very good feature. It works extremely well on
high-end Nikon's and Canon's and is surprisingly good on the Panasonic
m43 cameras. It tends to suck on low-point count AF units,
particularly with Pentax.

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "John Sessoms"

Subject: RE: How useful is SDM?




Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An
important factor? Somewhere between?


Fast auto-focus. How important that is depends on what you're doing with 
your camera.




The sad fact is, this doesn't hold true with Pentax.
While SDM AF is nominally faster than screwdrive, it isn't a night the night 
vs. day thing you will find if you pick up a higher end Canon.
Seriously, if really fast AF is someting you really need, Pentax is not the 
camera maker for you.


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RE: Sand patterns

[John Sessoms]

From: "Bob W"
BTW, what does Steve Desjardins teach?  Chemistry?  Physics?  
> Aren't they both the same?  Won't they be both the same when 
> someone comes up with a Unified Theory?
> 


Chemistry boils down to physics, so I suppose physics is a precipitate of
chemistry, with particle physics especially so.



If you're not part of solution, you're part of the precipitate.

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RE: How useful is SDM?

[John Sessoms]

From: Sandy Harris

I have never used an autofocus system. I find myself comparing lenses
with an SDM motor to ones without. For example, the 17-70 f4 has SDM
but 16-45 does not. 55/1.4 does but 50/1.4 and 70/2.4 do not.

There are plenty of other differences -- notably price, weight and
focal length -- and I have some idea how to balance those in relation
to my usage and preferences. However, I don't have much idea how
important or useful the SDM motor is, so I am asking here.

Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An
important factor? Somewhere between?


Fast auto-focus. How important that is depends on what you're doing with 
your camera.


Should be useful in tracking shots (like for wildlife) where you're 
using continuous auto-focus, or other places where you need really fast 
auto-focus (sports).


Those are the two uses that come to mind for me. I'm sure there are 
others I haven't thought of.


Doesn't float my boat right now because Pentax doesn't offer a lens in 
the focal length I want for shooting wildlife (300f2.8, 400f2.8 or 
600f4), nor do second tier lens makers offer a lens of that focal length 
in Pentax KAF-mount with SDM [that I'm aware of].


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Re: How useful is SDM?

[paul stenquist]

On Jan 10, 2010, at 1:10 PM, William Robb wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - From: "Sandy Harris"
> Subject: How useful is SDM?
> 
> 
>> I have never used an autofocus system. I find myself comparing lenses
>> with an SDM motor to ones without. For example, the 17-70 f4 has SDM
>> but 16-45 does not. 55/1.4 does but 50/1.4 and 70/2.4 do not.
>> 
>> There are plenty of other differences -- notably price, weight and
>> focal length -- and I have some idea how to balance those in relation
>> to my usage and preferences. However, I don't have much idea how
>> important or useful the SDM motor is, so I am asking here.
>> 
>> Is this something that should be ignored in making a choice? An
>> important factor? Somewhere between?
> 
> I think the factor now is can you get the lens you want with screwdrive or 
> SDM?
> I have two SDM lenses, the 55/1.4 and the 60/250 zoom.
> I actually did a direct comparison between SDM and screwdrive AF with the 55 
> and the FA50/1.4.
> The 55 does focus somewhat faster in real life, though if all you do is 
> compare lock to lock, the 50 is much faster.
> One thing to consider with SDM is failure rate.
> Over on ForumsNeurotica, there have been a lot of threads dedicated to SDM 
> failure, especially the 16-50 and to a somewhat lesser extent, the 50-135.
> As optically good as these two lenses are (if you can get a 16-50 that isn't 
> decentered anyway), I'd run like hell from buying either of those lenses 
> until Pentax fixes the problem.
> So far, I haven't read of any SDM failures in the SDM only lenses, so I do 
> wonder if there is an issue with the dual AF integration.
> 
> William Robb 
> 
I have both the DA* 16-50 and 50-135 and have at least a couple thousand 
exposures on each. No problems. They're both superb. Of course one person's 
experience proves nothing, but I wouldn't want to be without those lenses. 
Ditto the DA* 60-250. The three of them make a great kit.
Paul

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Re: low light autofocus

[Jack Davis]

My "default", spot and AE locked.

Jack

--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Tom C  wrote:

> From: Tom C 
> Subject: Re: low light autofocus
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 10:36 AM
> I find the Auto-AF point to be one of
> the worst features I've ever
> experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I
> check and sure
> enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto
> select.  I alway use
> center point, focus, then recompose.
> 
> I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I
> want focus
> and experience shows it cannot.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:26 AM, eckinator 
> wrote:
> > I'm quite happy with the 16-50 on my K10D in terms of
> low light
> > hunting but given your requirements the K10D is
> certainly not your
> > body of choice. I have to constantly change the AF
> point selection
> > around because she never quite catches the right one.
> Just as happy
> > with the two DFA macros but I doubt those will do you
> any good
> > HTH Ecke
> >
> > 2010/1/10 Gonz :
> >> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens
> (digital) that does
> >> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and
> K200D to a wedding
> >> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the
> both a DA 12-24 and an
> >> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I
> noticed about 1/2 of my
> >> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well
> in bright light let
> >> alone low light.
> >>
> >> -gonz
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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[Subash]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:23:44 -0600
"William Robb"  wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Subash" 
> Subject: Re: Fairygirl is in the house!
> 
> 
> 
> >> > 
> >> >> Thet're just trying to keep abreast of things.
> >> > 
> >> > here's to hoping that they don't have too much too wade through..
> >> 
> >> I'm pretty sure we are on the weaning team.
> > 
> > aren't you taking it a tit too granted? 
> 
> If we wean, we wean, if we lose, we get the booby prize.
> It's all good.
 
way to goo 

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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[AlunFoto]

2010/1/10 Ken Waller :
>>> > I'll always remember the medical photos...
>>>
>>> The 3D tattoos were the best part.
>>> Sadly, I managed to lose my copies.
>>
>> i have no clue what's going on, but it *is* nice to see old 'friends'
>> doing their thing... :)
>
> Thet're just trying to keep abreast of things.

I think you're just mi... No, wait that's your line. :-)

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Re: peso pleasure plus

[paul stenquist]

You have to stop dicking around with stuff like this!

On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:06 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

> A couple weeks ago I was shopping for a particular brand of condoms and found 
> them for what seemed to be a very good price for the 12 pack, as that is what 
> the picture was.  I didn't notice the text saying that all they had was the 3 
> pack.  When the package arrived, with the 3-packs, I was a bit ticked, 
> checked the website, figured out my error and wrote them a nastygram.  They 
> told me that the only picture the manufacturer provided was that of the 
> 12-pack.
> 
> My response was to take some pictures of the box that they had sent, and send 
> them copies with a note saying "maybe this will help". In reply they sent:
> "Wow, you're good - I'll pass those along to my web guy - thanks!"
> 
> I didn't get any actual pay, but you can see my photos at:
> 
> http://www.shevibe.com/global-protection-pleasure-plus-condoms.aspx
> 
> It turns out that it was a surprisingly difficult product shoot because the 
> box was glossy enough to reflect the white floor of my light tent, and I 
> don't have any black construction paper lying around (I ended up using a grey 
> card).  Also, some of the shots showed reflections of my fingers as I pressed 
> the shutter.
> 
> Not a very artistic shot, but I learned a bit from it and it's nice to see it 
> being used in a professional context, even if I didn't actually get any money 
> from it.
> 
> --
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Subash" 
Subject: Re: Fairygirl is in the house!




> 
>> Thet're just trying to keep abreast of things.
> 
> here's to hoping that they don't have too much too wade through..


I'm pretty sure we are on the weaning team.


aren't you taking it a tit too granted? 


If we wean, we wean, if we lose, we get the booby prize.
It's all good.


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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[Subash]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:05:23 -0600
"William Robb"  wrote:

> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Subash" 
> Subject: Re: Fairygirl is in the house!
> 
> 
> > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:17:54 -0500
> > "Ken Waller"  wrote:
> > 
> >> Thet're just trying to keep abreast of things.
> > 
> > here's to hoping that they don't have too much too wade through..
> 
> I'm pretty sure we are on the weaning team.

aren't you taking it a tit too granted? 

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RE: Fairygirl is in the house!

[John Sessoms]

From: "Tanya Love"

Lol, well thankfully, she didn't paint the walls with green vomit
immediately after that shot!

That shot is Zali in true form, like I said, she is an animal.  A cute one
at that, but prone to completely primal, feral
displays of "personality" at least 5 or 6 times a day!


Have you considered tranquilizer darts?

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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[David J Brooks]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Cotty  wrote:

>
> I went through a mid-photographic-life-crisis (the kind Dave Brooks has
> been in for years)

Decades actually

Dave





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Re: peso pleasure plus

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Cotty"

Subject: Re: peso pleasure plus





And I though a 'pleasure enhancing pouch' was an Australian thing



Ooooh Roo.
And I though the Scots and their love of sheep was weird.

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Re: The many faces of Zali...

[Cotty]

On 10/1/10, Tanya Love, discombobulated, unleashed:

>
>Here's the link:
>
>http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=42668&id=1077428195&l=8794d63c34


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Re: peso pleasure plus

[Cotty]

>>> I';m responding a little latex on this,.
>>
>> Now ~that's~ a ribbed-tickler!
>
>Now that's stretching things a bit

Roll on the good times.




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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Subash]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:58:57 -0500
Adam Maas  wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Subash  wrote:
> > On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:10:34 -0600
> > "William Robb"  wrote:
> >
> >> As optically good as these two lenses are (if you can get
> >> a 16-50 that isn't decentered anyway), I'd run like hell from
> >> buying either of those lenses until Pentax fixes the problem.
> >
> > i know you don't 'do' sigma, but that's precisely the reason why
> > i've ordered myself a sigma 17-70 to go with the k-x..
 
> I've owned the Sigma 17-70, it's an excellent performer all-round.

certainly good to hear that... :) 

regards, subash 

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Re: peso pleasure plus

[Cotty]

On 10/1/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>A couple weeks ago I was shopping for a particular brand of condoms
>and found them for what seemed to be a very good price for the 12
>pack, as that is what the picture was.  I didn't notice the text
>saying that all they had was the 3 pack.  When the package arrived,
>with the 3-packs, I was a bit ticked, checked the website, figured out
>my error and wrote them a nastygram.  They told me that the only
>picture the manufacturer provided was that of the 12-pack.
>
>My response was to take some pictures of the box that they had sent,
>and send them copies with a note saying "maybe this will help". In
>reply they sent:
>"Wow, you're good - I'll pass those along to my web guy - thanks!"
>
>I didn't get any actual pay, but you can see my photos at:
>
>http://www.shevibe.com/global-protection-pleasure-plus-condoms.aspx

And I though a 'pleasure enhancing pouch' was an Australian thing

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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Subash" 
Subject: Re: Fairygirl is in the house!




On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:17:54 -0500
"Ken Waller"  wrote:


Thet're just trying to keep abreast of things.


here's to hoping that they don't have too much too wade through..


I'm pretty sure we are on the weaning team.


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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[Subash]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:17:54 -0500
"Ken Waller"  wrote:

> Thet're just trying to keep abreast of things.

here's to hoping that they don't have too much too wade through..

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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Adam Maas]

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Subash  wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:10:34 -0600
> "William Robb"  wrote:
>
>> As optically good as these two lenses are (if you can get
>> a 16-50 that isn't decentered anyway), I'd run like hell from buying
>> either of those lenses until Pentax fixes the problem.
>
> i know you don't 'do' sigma, but that's precisely the reason why i've
> ordered myself a sigma 17-70 to go with the k-x..
>
> regards, subash
>

I've owned the Sigma 17-70, it's an excellent performer all-round.


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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[Cotty]

On 10/1/10, Tanya Love, discombobulated, unleashed:

>So is it safe to assume then Cotty, that you are still doing your hack-job,
>backyard surgery on poor, unsuspecting pieces of metal and glass from two
>different species in the hope of creating a revolutionary hybrid that turns
>the photographic industry on its head?!  Everybody, quick, lock up your
>angle grinders!! ;-)

Well, not really.

I went through a mid-photographic-life-crisis (the kind Dave Brooks has
been in for years) and sold all my Canon gear! Actually I was so hard up
for cash that I had no choice. Kept back my 2 Pentax bastards: the
A*85/1.4 and the K15/3.5 and put the K mounts back on so I could use
them with my wife's old *istDs that we have. Of course, no aperture
stimulators on those, so stop-down use only, which is no problem.

I also sold my Epson R-D1 and 2 lenses which I was sad to see go, but
setting up and running a business in the UK in 2006 and trying to pay
off the loan on a GBP 25k Land Rover, as well as using redundancy to buy
25k worth of filming kit has taken its toll.

I decided to stick to video for the time being and bought a small HD
camera for professional use:



So there you have it. I'll get back into stills when the good times roll
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Re: How useful is SDM?

[Subash]

On Sun, 10 Jan 2010 12:10:34 -0600
"William Robb"  wrote:

> As optically good as these two lenses are (if you can get
> a 16-50 that isn't decentered anyway), I'd run like hell from buying
> either of those lenses until Pentax fixes the problem.

i know you don't 'do' sigma, but that's precisely the reason why i've
ordered myself a sigma 17-70 to go with the k-x..

regards, subash

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Re: low light autofocus

[Tom C]

I never used the auto image size feature. :-) I did use the predictive
AF which worked fairly well for me right out of the box.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Rick Womer  wrote:
> You must have repressed your memories of the auto-image-size-tracking on the 
> PZ-1 and PZ-1p.
>
> Rick
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> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Tom C  wrote:
>
>> I find the Auto-AF point to be one of
>> the worst features I've ever
>> experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I
>> check and sure
>> enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto
>> select.  I alway use
>> center point, focus, then recompose.
>>
>> I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I
>> want focus
>> and experience shows it cannot.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:26 AM, eckinator 
>> wrote:
>> > I'm quite happy with the 16-50 on my K10D in terms of
>> low light
>> > hunting but given your requirements the K10D is
>> certainly not your
>> > body of choice. I have to constantly change the AF
>> point selection
>> > around because she never quite catches the right one.
>> Just as happy
>> > with the two DFA macros but I doubt those will do you
>> any good
>> > HTH Ecke
>> >
>> > 2010/1/10 Gonz :
>> >> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens
>> (digital) that does
>> >> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and
>> K200D to a wedding
>> >> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the
>> both a DA 12-24 and an
>> >> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I
>> noticed about 1/2 of my
>> >> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well
>> in bright light let
>> >> alone low light.
>> >>
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Re: low light autofocus

[Rick Womer]

You must have repressed your memories of the auto-image-size-tracking on the 
PZ-1 and PZ-1p.

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--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Tom C  wrote:

> I find the Auto-AF point to be one of
> the worst features I've ever
> experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I
> check and sure
> enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto
> select.  I alway use
> center point, focus, then recompose.
> 
> I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I
> want focus
> and experience shows it cannot.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:26 AM, eckinator 
> wrote:
> > I'm quite happy with the 16-50 on my K10D in terms of
> low light
> > hunting but given your requirements the K10D is
> certainly not your
> > body of choice. I have to constantly change the AF
> point selection
> > around because she never quite catches the right one.
> Just as happy
> > with the two DFA macros but I doubt those will do you
> any good
> > HTH Ecke
> >
> > 2010/1/10 Gonz :
> >> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens
> (digital) that does
> >> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and
> K200D to a wedding
> >> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the
> both a DA 12-24 and an
> >> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I
> noticed about 1/2 of my
> >> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well
> in bright light let
> >> alone low light.
> >>
> >> -gonz
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Re: low light autofocus

[Tom C]

I find the Auto-AF point to be one of the worst features I've ever
experienced.  Whenever I'm having severe AF problems I check and sure
enough, the switch got bumped from center to auto select.  I alway use
center point, focus, then recompose.

I don't know how the camera can possibly determine where I want focus
and experience shows it cannot.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:26 AM, eckinator  wrote:
> I'm quite happy with the 16-50 on my K10D in terms of low light
> hunting but given your requirements the K10D is certainly not your
> body of choice. I have to constantly change the AF point selection
> around because she never quite catches the right one. Just as happy
> with the two DFA macros but I doubt those will do you any good
> HTH Ecke
>
> 2010/1/10 Gonz :
>> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
>> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
>> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
>> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
>> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
>> alone low light.
>>
>> -gonz
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Re: PESO -- Connecticut Zen XX

[Rick Womer]

Excellent shot.  Don't change a thing!

Rick

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--- On Sat, 1/9/10, P. J. Alling  wrote:

> From: P. J. Alling 
> Subject: PESO -- Connecticut Zen XX
> To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" 
> Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 6:11 PM
> Black and White conversion using
> Fotomatic B&W Plus/Green filter.
> 
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20connecticutzenxx.html
> 
> Equipment K20D w/smc Pentax FA 20-35mm f4.0
> 
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Re: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in the house!)

[Rick Womer]

Heck, even a K10D is a huge improvement on the istD, and they can be had for 
very little money.

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--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Ken Waller  wrote:

> I wouldn't discount the K20D, since you'd be upgrading from
> the starkist! The K20D would be a major leap forward and you
> can get it for less money than the K7.
> 
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> - Original Message - From: "Tanya Love" 
> Subject: RE: A K7D for Fairygirl (Was Re: Fairygirl is in
> the house!)
> 
> 
> > Thanks Paul!  I figured as such with the video -
> not "needing" it, but there
> > has certainly been times, mainly on a personal level
> with my kids etc, when
> > I've been out with them, camera over my shoulder and
> I've thought to myself,
> > "oh, if only the *istD had a video capability" when
> they've done something
> > particularly cute.  Plus the HD aspect and HDMI
> input is certainly
> > attractive.
> > 
> > With the Live Preview, I am the same, never having had
> one with the *istD
> > and that being the ONLY camera I have shot with in oh,
> about 6 years now! I
> > don't see myself ever using it, as like I said, it is
> a battery sucker,
> > rather than anything else, especially with the
> viewfinder having 100%
> > coverage on the K-7.  I just mainly wondered if
> anyone else had found that
> > it has an application that I hadn't already thought of
> that was
> > disadvantaged by it's slowness on that point.
> > 
> > Tan. :)
> > 
> > Paul wrote:
> > 
> > The video capability is nice, but it requires manual
> focus. However, that's
> > not too much of a problem when using wide lenses in
> relatively good light. I
> > bought a hood with diopter adjustment for the live
> view screen. That makes
> > manual focus fairly easy, even when moving. I think
> the HD video capability
> > in combination with the excellent lenses would be
> useful for serious
> > applications. I've been thinking about trying to shoot
> a demo 30-second
> > commercial with it. For kid's birthdays and stuff like
> that, my Sony video
> > camera is a better choice.
> > 
> > I never use live preview mode and rarely shoot in live
> view, so I can't
> > offer any input there. I have used live view
> occasionally for framing in
> > situations where I couldn't get to the viewfinder, and
> I found it useful.
> > But I prefocused.
> > Paul
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Re: low light autofocus

[eckinator]

I'm quite happy with the 16-50 on my K10D in terms of low light
hunting but given your requirements the K10D is certainly not your
body of choice. I have to constantly change the AF point selection
around because she never quite catches the right one. Just as happy
with the two DFA macros but I doubt those will do you any good
HTH Ecke

2010/1/10 Gonz :
> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
> alone low light.
>
> -gonz
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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[William Robb]

- Original Message - 
From: "Tanya Love" 
Subject: RE: Fairygirl is in the house!




I meant to ask, when did you change your name?
Aren't you a Tanja?
And do you want that lenshood?

William Robb

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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[Ken Waller]

Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - 
From: "Subash" 


Subject: Re: Fairygirl is in the house!



On Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:25:17 -0600
"William Robb"  wrote:


> I'll always remember the medical photos...

The 3D tattoos were the best part.
Sadly, I managed to lose my copies. 


i have no clue what's going on, but it *is* nice to see old 'friends'
doing their thing... :)


Thet're just trying to keep abreast of things.


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Re: peso pleasure plus

[Ken Waller]

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- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 

Subject: Re: peso pleasure plus


On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:43 AM, David J Brooks  
wrote:




I';m responding a little latex on this,.


Now ~that's~ a ribbed-tickler!


Now that's stretching things a bit


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Re: low light autofocus

[Thomas Cakalic]

Amazing considering they brought the first AF SLR body to market.

For the times that I use AF in low-light, I've overall found it works
pretty decently on the *ist D at least.  I just had it out at the ski
area last week.  Night, people picture, in front of ski slope lit for
night skiing.  Not a bright scene at all.  AF hunted one or two times,
but focus locked and image was in focus. That was with the much
maligned FA 28-200.

Of course this was a stationary subject.  If I was in low light taking
grab shots I would expect the AF to perform not quite as well.



On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM, William Robb  wrote:
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gonz"
> Subject: low light autofocus
>
>
>> Is there any combination of Pentax body/lens (digital) that does
>> relatively well in low light?  I took my K20D and K200D to a wedding
>> and the autofocus sucked in a big way with the both a DA 12-24 and an
>> FA 50 1.4.  I tried to focus manually when I noticed about 1/2 of my
>> shots were out of focus, but my eyes dont do well in bright light let
>> alone low light.
>
> The K7 at least has an AF illuminator which will turn on and let you focus
> on what just happened.
> It won't turn on until well after what you wanted to photograph has left the
> building though.
> Unfortunately, if you want good low light AF, the words Nikon and Canon are
> where you will find your answer.
>
> Back in August I was using both K7 and K20 at a wedding, the AF in neither
> camera worked well in moderately low light conditions if the subject was
> moving even slightly.
> Autofocus is still an unexplored frontier for Pentax. They know what it
> looks like, but they seem afraid to implement it into their cameras in a
> meaningful way.
>
> William Robb
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Re: PESO: Holiday Bus Stop

[Ken Waller]

Great capture.
A minor nit is the title - no indication of anything about the bus stop. - I 
feel silly even mentioning it, but the title led me to some expectation. ;+}


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- Original Message - 
From: "frank theriault" 

Subject: Re: PESO: Holiday Bus Stop



On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:29 PM, paul stenquist
 wrote:

K7D, DA* 50-135, f4, 1/125th, ISO 1600, 135 mm

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=10429670&size=lg


Mopping up some "old ones" from a few days off the computer around the
hols.  Wish I'd seen this one earlier, because it's tremendous!  She
looks rather forlorn - wonderful (if poignant) juxtaposition to the
festive surroundings.  Terrific composition.

Love it!

cheers,
frank




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Re: Fairygirl is in the house!

[ann sanfedele]

tanya!

of course!

I still have the little koala  :-)  from GFM

How ya doing girl!

Glad to see you back..
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Tanya @ Ankle Biters wrote:

Hey there PDML'ers!! 


Anyone remember me?

Cotty, I see you're still around, making the place smell bad... hehehe...

Tan.x.


 





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