RE: DA 16-45 f/4 lens

2010-12-05 Thread John Coyle
As I might have said last time this lens got a mention, on my trip to Egypt
a couple of years ago more than 70% of my shots were with it.  Sharp, not
heavy, I found it very useful.  I have the same issue with the lens hood as
David, though - not a deal-breaker.


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Subject: Re: DA 16-45 f/4 lens

I've read the reviews and either I have a really good copy, or I'm daft, but
I've found the lens to be very capable and the perfect wide to medium lens
for me.  It's sharp wide open.  It takes about 85-90% of the pictures that I
shoot.

The only problem that I've had is that the lens hood detents on the hood
bayonet have worn down.  It makes the hood loose, but that is a minor issue.



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Brief but direct encounter with Sony SLT-A55

2010-12-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Hello there, great and wise women and men of PDML. I have witnessed Sony 
SLT-A55 and here is the impressions from that encounter:


1. It is small and light. It is so small that people with bigger hands 
(unlike me) may have difficulty operating it.


2. A number of operations require that you press buttons on the back of 
the camera and if you want to do so without taking it away from your 
eye, it may be a bit difficult at first. But after two-three times I did 
it, it did not felt awkward at all.


3. The lack of mirror slap is unusual. It is even more unusual that the 
sound of shutter release /seems/ like it is combined of two distinct 
sounds. It is not loud, though it is hard to tell if K-7 is quieter. And 
I did not have K-7 on me to compare them side by side.


4. The EVF. Well, EVFs will rule the world. Seriously. Consider this:

a. To perform precision manual focus you simply point you camera where 
you want, press delete button twice and you get x7.5 magnified area 
where you can focus as precise as you want. You will also see how shaky 
your hands, but once you depress ever so slightly the shutter release 
button, the view returns back to regular and you can compose the shot. 
My immediate and first impression is that this is /significantly/ more 
convenient than split focusing screen and magnifying eye cap, simply 
because you get way more magnification and hence the precision. I tried 
it and was impressed by how easy the process was and how precise I could 
focus effectively right out of the box.


b. Since this thing is electronic, you can do all kinds of menu related 
operations without taking the camera off your eye. I can hardly imagine 
how often such a thing could be useful, but it is there nonetheless.


c. I did a but of moving of the camera around rapidly - the response of 
the VF was sufficiently smooth. Nothing I could object to.


d. At the end I did feel a bit of strain in my eyes, but it has to be 
said that:

d1. I couldn't change the diopter correction if there were any.
d2. I usually have one or two days of felt eye strain if I change 
monitors. Then it subsides. May be something similar would have happened 
if I had this camera for more than 15 minutes.


5. As a funny or peculiar point, I'd like to point out that this camera 
also has the electronic level that is implemented as a rather odd 
looking bracket around the center of the screen.


6. And finally, for those of us who like to geotag - this camera has a 
built-in GPS module that automatically geotags your images.


All in all - worthy of any praise and quite excellent camera.

Boris

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Re: PESO - Christmas at the Mall

2010-12-05 Thread Boris Liberman

Reminds me of a similar mall in Prague back in 2007...

Unfortunately, the Holiday of Holidays in Haifa has been canceled due to 
fire outbreak... I would have paid them a visit.


Boris

On 12/5/2010 12:19 AM, P N Stenquist wrote:

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12044123size=lg

k-5 with DA* 16-50, ISO 2500, f8 @ 1/40th, 16 mm

http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12044123size=lg




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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread Boris Liberman
Well done, Nick. And I am not talking about walmart machine, obviously 
/grin/. Night or low light photography is so much fun!


On 12/4/2010 4:33 PM, Nick David Wright wrote:

http://blog.nickdavidwright.net/2010/12/leave-light-on.html

This shot has set in my files since I shot it. It is another example
of why I needed my own scanner. The machine at walmart thought this
photo was a mistake and would make the file so the building was
exposed properly. I tried working with the techs at the lab to get a
better scan but no go. The lit area would scan completely blown out
and the dark building would come back with so much digital noise ...
ugh.

It was horrible. Now, no worries!




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Re: PESO: Anacapri Street

2010-12-05 Thread Boris Liberman

Good olde Europe...



On 12/4/2010 10:43 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

http://blogs.delphiforums.com/n/blogs/blog.aspx?nav=mainwebtag=djm1963entry=31

Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are always welcome.

Dan
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola




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Re: OT - Wedding Flowers Video

2010-12-05 Thread Boris Liberman

On 12/3/2010 9:03 PM, Cotty wrote:

I know some of you like to keep an eye on my latest work - a series of
online videos for a British celebrity wedding designer. First, flowers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81welfMh-dg


Well done. But everything you do is well done anyway. /wink/

Boris

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Re: Teleconverters?

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 Yup. Sometimes if you can afford it, you get the tools you want. Most of the
 time you use the tools you already have. That's why I'm shooting with the
 300mm I've got and not the 600mm I'd have if money grew on trees.

the other day on eBay Germany, two new Sigma 200-500/2.8, one Canon,
one Nikon, each went for a little over €7K. You can imagine how hard I
was looking for the money tree - it would have been a cool gadget to
have for sure. However, at 15.7 kgs plus another 23.1 for the carrying
case - plus of course a massive tripod, not to mention the little
black thingy that clings to the back of the lens - it is too much to
handle so I guess I'm not all that sad... =)

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Re: New to list / acronyms

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
Welcome, Kenton
It's all been said except that the bleeding won't stop.
Ask about CBA and LBA some time.
Oh yeah, and about cormorants.
Cheers
Ecke

2010/12/4 Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com:
 Hi, I've been lurking for a few days here.  I'm from the Midwest.  I
 bought my first DSLR about two weeks ago, a K-x  with the 18-55mm,
 55-300mm lens kit.  I've got a 50mm M f/1.7 on the way, as well as a
 polarizer and graduated filter.  I also picked up a cleaning kit with
 rocket blower and a manfrotto tripod and head.  No one told me the
 peripherals were going to cost so damn much.  I feel like I'm
 hemorrhaging money.  LOL  It's sad but true.

 I know next to nothing about photography.  I've read Understanding
 Exposure by Bryan Peterson and The Digital Photography Book by
 Scott Kelby; both have been a good introduction I think.  I'm
 currently reading Creative Nature  Outdoor Photography by Brenda
 Tharp.  Next on the list is The Photographer's Eye by Michael
 Freeman.  If anyone has suggestions as to which other books I should
 be reading, I'm all ears.

 I've never used any image manipulation type software other than
 Picassa.  I'm a Linux user and have evaluated Bibble 5 for a couple
 evenings.  It's crashed on me a few times and sucks all available
 memory and some swap when it imports RAW and builds thumbnails.  I
 might have to break down and get a MAC at some point, if all Linux
 image software is this crash prone.  Bibble does have some cool tricks
 though.  I really like the heal/clone thing but I suppose other
 software packages have something similar.

 OK, I do have a question:

 Is there a page defining the acronyms used here, like: PESO, GESO,
 PAW?  If not, could someone enlighten me?

 Thanks,
 Kent

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GESO: Criterium race

2010-12-05 Thread David Mann
Hi all,

It's been another year already, the Festival of Cycling has come and gone again.

This year I was only able to make it to the criterium race which is a pity as 
the Long Bays Classic has much better scenery.  The upside of the criterium is 
that they do laps so I get more than one chance to photograph the riders and I 
also have multiple positions to choose from.

http://www.multisport.net.nz/photos/1268-2010-12-05-armstrong-festival-of-cycling-criterium-photos.html

The first couple are from the elite women's race which was finishing just as I 
arrived.  The rest are from the elite men's race.  The crowd was a lot smaller 
this year so I was able to move about quite freely and get fairly good 
positions without much trouble.

Gear: K10D, FA* 24mm f/2.0, FA 43mm Limited, FA 100 f/2.8 Macro, FA* 200mm 
f/2.8, F* 300mm f/4.5.  Yes it's a pain swapping primes all the time.  That 
50-135 would have come in very handy.

I really need to get more practice with this stuff.  I was really struggling to 
get good focus as the riders come past at about 50km/h (30mph).

BTW I know I haven't posted much from Sydney yet, not enough hours in the day...

Cheers,
Dave
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Re: New to list / acronyms

2010-12-05 Thread Cotty
Watcha mate. Pull up a stool.

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Re: PESO: Zion in the Fall

2010-12-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/12/10, Rick Womer, discombobulated, unleashed:

 Thanks for your sage advice.
 
 I agree with Rick, it's thyme for a change

 This thread will be peppered with puns in no time


Glad that change is cumin, Dan!  I'm sure it will curry some favor.

This is as clear ajmud.


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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/12/10, Walter Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed:

  My cat just knocked it and my K-x off the top of a dresser, onto the
floor.  Fortunately, the camera still seems to be working.  But now, the
focusing ring on the lens sticks at the far and near end.

Walt, the one and only time I ever dropped my iPhone while it wasn't in
it's case, the little on/off button on top sarted sticking. After seeing
where the impact damage was and using my warped-but-give-it-a-go logic,
I gave it a bash on the opposite side. It then worked perfectly again.
This is me ;)

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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread Cotty
On 4/12/10, Walter Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed:

Now, if my cat comes out of hiding, all will be back to normal.

I gather that to remove a Pentax SMC lens from a cat's butt in fact
requires some surgery.

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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread Cotty
On 5/12/10, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed:

Should be available for the K%, too.

Mark!  :)

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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread Bong Manayon
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
  My cat just knocked it and my K-x off the top of a dresser, onto the floor.
  Fortunately, the camera still seems to be working.  But now, the focusing
 ring on the lens sticks at the far and near end.

Sorry to hear that.  Does that mean you will not be submitting any cat
photos in PUG?

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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:

 Should be available for the K%, too.

Hey, let's start the K% nation or a K%er gang =)

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OT - Paints With Light part 1

2010-12-05 Thread Cotty
He paints with light!

Excellent! And right on cue, haven't posted this for ages. 60's British
humour - a must read :-)

Cheers, Cotty



Part 1 (see part 2 email for continuation)




The Publicity Photograph

by Alan Simpson and Ray Galton

transcribed from the long play record

Pieces of Hancock (NPL18054)

Scenes:
1. A London street.
2. Photographic studio.
3. Mr Hancock's house.

Cast:
Tony Hancock..minor celebrity
Sydney James.his agent.
Kenneth Williams.Photographer to the stars, Hilary St. Clair
In Hancock's house.Hattie Jaques and Bill Kerr

[A London street, day. Tony and Syd are walking to a studio to have some
new photos shot for Tony's publicity, something the irritable Mr.
Hancock is not entirely happy with...]

Tony: So you really think my old fan-photos have been holding me back, Syd?

Syd: 'Course they have. I've been telling you that your years. And I'm a
good agent, but even I've had trouble getting you work. All because of
those photographs. That 'Valentino' one: diabolical, it is.

Tony: My 'sheik' pose? It's my favourite!

Syd: Yeah. When I started showing it around, they thought I was
collecting money for Arab refugees.

Tony: You sure the place we're going to is alright?

Syd: Alright?? This geyser is the best theatrical photographer in
London! I send all my clients to him. He charges fifty knicker a sitting.

Tony: Fifty pounds for one photograph?? I want it in postcard size, not
Cinerama! Fifty pounds! I made my last film for less than that!

Syd: Well it's worth every penny. This boy is fabulous. He does
beautiful retouch-jobs. He'll make you look like a million dollars!
He'll take them wrinkles out, get rid of the crow's feet under your
eyes, pin your ears back, cover up some of that loose stuff around your
neck, straighten the nose out a bit, put the eyes further apart -

Tony: What an attractive picture you'd paint of me. I'm having no
retouching done on my photographs. I face the world as I am.

Syd: Well, we'll see what he says anyway. He might have some ideas when
he sees you. He's never been defeated yet. This is it: 'Hilary St. Clair'.

Tony: Oh my word. I'll bet he's all corduroys and blow-waves.

Syd: Shaddup - get inside!

(They step into Mr. St. Clair's studio)

Hilary: No no no! Don't move! Now stay just where you are...the light
catches you perfectly!

Tony: Who? Me?

Hilary: Oh! A fusion of shere heaven! Don't move! I must take you a
shere poetry of line and composition!

Tony: Get away.

Hilary: Just tilt the head so the sunlight dances on your hair.

Tony: (mocking) Oh you mean like this?

Hilary: Yes! Yes! I shall call it 'In Juxtaposition'.

Tony: (still mocking) No no no no. What about: 'Textures'.

Hilary: Yes! Yes! That's even better!

Tony: (to Syd) I'm getting out of here.

Hilary: (taking a shot) I've got it! Thank you so much. That's going to
be very very sheesh. If that doesn't get First Prize at this year's
'Salon', I shall be quite overcome. Now, what can I do for you?

(continued in email 'OT - Paints With Light part 2)


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OT - Paints With Light part 2

2010-12-05 Thread Cotty
(preceded by email 'OT - Paints With Light part 1)




Syd: Hello Hilary.

Hilary: No! Sydney, dear boy! It's such a long time since you've been
around to see me, you're a naughty boy!

Syd: Yeah. Well, I'm sorry Hilary. You know how it is. Lot's of work -

Hilary: I know how terribly tedious it has been. I know I'm the same.
Absolutely months since I've seen the Albert Hall.

Syd: Yeah, and me.

Tony: (to Syd) He's talking about music, not all-in wrestling.

Syd: Yeah, well. Look Hilary, I've got a customer here for you.

Hilary: (eyeing Hancock) Rather perculiar friends you have Sydney. Most
quaint.

Syd: Yeah, well, don't start a punch-up Hilary. I want you to take some snaps.

Hilary: Snaps, Sydney?? I don't take snaps! I paint with light!

Tony: (mocking in a high-pitched voice) Oh swipe me, he paints with
light! (pause - aside to Syd) Paints with light.

Hilary: I don't think I like your friend Sydney. I wish I hadn't
snapped, I mean Photographed him. I think I should open the camera and
let the light in!

Syd: Now calm down Hilary. All we want is a set of publicity photos. I
want you to get the best out of him.

Hilary: Oh, let's have a look then. (to Hancock) I say, you. Stand under
my arc lights. Hmm. Turn around. Ugh! Heavens. I'm going to have to use
a lot of shadow. There's sort of a lot to hide, isn't there!

Tony: I will slosh him Syd. So help me, I will slosh him. One more
remark and I'll wrap that enlarger around his neck! Haven't been
insulted like this since I went to the Turkish baths.

Syd: Alright Hilary, take no notice. Just do the best you can, boy.

Hilary: Oh, let's see now. (to Hancock) Undo your shirt to the waist.

Tony: Oh dear.

Hilary: Oh. Oh what a pity, no hairs on the chest. Never mind, I can
scratch some in on the negative.

Tony: You are not scratching any hairs in on my negative. I'm not the
hairy type. I'm more the smooth-skin 'Lex Barker' type.

Syd: If Hilary says you're gonna have hairs, you're gonna have hairs! He
knows what's best.

Hilary: I say. What sort of legs have you got?

Tony: Don't you think you're going a bit too far, my man? My legs are
*my* business!

Syd: Shaddup Hancock. Hilary must have a good reason for asking.

Hilary: Well yes. I thought perhaps a beach-combing outfit might look
rather attractive.

Syd: You see that Hancock? A beach-comber. A wondering nomad. A
scavanger. He's got your character already!

Hilary: I know, a straw hat, the shirt open to the waist and tied in a
knot, trousers cut, very raggedly, just below the knees, standing
barefoot in the sand, palm trees waving in the background...

Tony: I know. Looking inside oysters for bars of coconut chocolate. No
thank you!

Syd: He's right, Hancock. He's right. It's very 'you'.

Hilary: Oh yes. It's the only one. He'll look delicious! Rip his
trousers at the knees!

Syd: Come here.

Tony: No! Syd! Please no!

Syd: Come here! (ripping fabric)

Tony: No! Syd! Stop it!

Syd: There they are.

Tony: Well well. So much for me clerical grey drainpipes. I had these
especially tailored! This is 24 and 6 off your bill for a start!

Hilary: 24 and 6?

Tony: Yes, mate! 24 and 6. I don't buy rubbish you know!

Hilary: Aren't your legs white!

(more ripping sounds)

Tony: One pair of long underwear. 12 and 6.

Hilary: Yah. Well, that's better. So those are your legs?

Tony: Yes, *these* are my legs. If you don't take that smirk off your
face, you'll be on the end of one of them in a minute.

Hilary: Well, let's face it. They are rather odd, aren't they!

Tony: What's odd about them? I've got one on this side and one on that
side, haven't I? What more do you want?

Hilary: No, I'm sorry, I don't think the legs ought to be in.

Tony: Pardon? After slashing my trousers about? How dare you! My legs
are out, I'm out.

Syd: Aw, you better keep the legs in, Hilary. Have him standing in water
up to his knees. That'll do it.

Hilary: Up to his straw hat I think would be better. It's going to be
very difficult, Sydney. I don't  think there are three inches of him in
proportion.

Syd: Aw, surely you can do something with him, boy? Look me old boy,
this is very important, son.

Hilary: Alright, I'll do it for you, Sydney. (short pause during which
Hilary trips the shutter) Right. I've taken it.

Tony: I haven't posed yet!

Hilary: It doesn't matter. All the hard work's to come now with the
things I've got to do to this negative. I'll be up all night.

Syd: Right you are. Come on, Hancock. Let's leave him alone to get on with it.

Tony: You call a taxi. I refuse to walk through the streets of London
with me legs poking out.

Hilary: I'll send the prints around tomorrow.

Tony: That's very quick!

Hilary: Well I don't want them in here any longer than I can help it.

Syd: Well, ta ta Hilary, thanks a lot. I'll send you a cheque tomorrow.
(to Hancock) Say ta ta to Hilary.

Tony: No.

Syd: Say ta ta to Hilary.

Tony: No. I don't like him. he said rotten things about my legs. Come
Sydney, we were away.

(Sydney and 

Sigma 20/1.8 and 24/1.8

2010-12-05 Thread Igor Roshchin

Hi All,

I wonder if anybody had experience with either of these two lenses:
Sigma 20/1.8 and 24/1.8?

I see mixed reviews elsewhere..

I am especially interested in their performance when wide open.

Igor


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Re: Sigma 20/1.8 and 24/1.8

2010-12-05 Thread Derby Chang

On 5/12/2010 9:46 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Hi All,

I wonder if anybody had experience with either of these two lenses:
Sigma 20/1.8 and 24/1.8?

I see mixed reviews elsewhere..

I am especially interested in their performance when wide open.

Igor




Hi Igor,

I'm guessing you mean the current EX DG version. Larry probably uses his 
more than I do. I am certainly fond of mine, as I know he is of his. Not 
super sharp wide open, but it does have a pleasant character to the 
glow. By f2.8, its more than sharp enough for me. Ergonomics are fine. I 
find the f1.8 and wideness very handy at gigs, especially those pole 
dancing ones where unpredictability is about 20% of the thrill, and 
boring super sharp shots about zero percent.


That said, my sample came back from the local distributor repair shop 
recently for a loose washer hence loose element that made it fuzzy 
everywhere. Simple fix, but it was an inconvenience.


Happened to be mucking around with it this afternoon with the nephews. I 
don't normally post family pics, but since you coincidentally asked...


http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_12/10_12_balloonwrestle/01.htm

100% crop
http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/10/10_12/10_12_balloonwrestle/crop.jpg


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Re: GESO: Romania/Austrika

2010-12-05 Thread Derby Chang

On 2/12/2010 1:09 PM, Luka Knezevic-Strika wrote:

A short photo-essay in diptychs from my trip to Austria and Romania:
http://www.lukaknezevicstrika.com/gallery.html (click on the first
slideshow - austria romania)

cc welcome



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Re: GESO: Grinderman in concert

2010-12-05 Thread Derby Chang

On 25/11/2010 9:03 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:

I went to 1st Ave last night...

Cameras weren't exactly allowed - don't know why the guy at the door didn't TELL me that 
when I had my bag inspected.  But I got nabbed later by one of the stage 
managers.

It turns out the official photo policy (for those who had passes) was: first song 
ONLY.

So in that respect I got lucky, because I was able to shoot for most of the 
show.

I don't know that there are any real winners here, but I think Nick Cave cuts 
such an imposing figure that even the dull photos are somewhat striking.

http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/grinderman/

All taken with the K7 and Tamron 90mm f/2.5


  -Charles



Bit late to this one. Very striking set.

1st Ave looks like a fantastically intimate venue for Grinderman. Nick 
performs at quite large ones when he's here, which is a bit of a shame. 
They are a confronting band that deserves to be seen up close. You lucky sod



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Re: Sigma 20/1.8 and 24/1.8

2010-12-05 Thread Boris Liberman

On 12/5/2010 1:40 PM, Derby Chang wrote:

Hi Igor,
/the rest snipped/


Only tangentially related - my experience with Sigma EX DG 24-60/2.8 
seems to correspond well with what Derby reported. Wide open it kind of 
glows but in a rather pleasant, soft, portrait-like way. Stop it even 
half a click and it becomes bitingly sharp.


Few negative points you might want to consider:

* The way it is reported in EXIF data. My zoom lens is reported as just 
Tamron or Sigma lens. Not that I care, but you might.


* It seems to rotate the other way around than Pentax lenses.

* Mine had a bit of back/front focus issue that I corrected by -7 points 
correction in K-7. Previous owner indicated -3 points correction in his 
K20D.


* It is very big and pretty heavy. I am thinking off the top of my head 
that it has 82 mm filter diameter, the 20/1.8.


Finally, Petteri Sulonen has written a review about this lens some time 
ago. You can read it here:

http://www.prime-junta.net/pont/Reviews/a_Sigma_20_f1-8/a_Sigma_20_mm_f-1.8.html

It is a bit dated, this review, but still it seems to contain a number 
of valid points.


I held once Sigma EX DG 24/1.8 and it wasn't /that/ big. My experience 
with 24-60/2.8 leads me to two things:


* Sigma EX lenses are actually better than one may think based on the 
impressions from various forums, etc.


* I am thinking of selling my Tamron 28-75/2.8 simply because it sees 
virtually no use since I bought and matched to the Sigma.


HTH.

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PESO - Another Guy with a Big Furry Hat

2010-12-05 Thread frank theriault
It looks like this style of hat (and ones like it) are very popular this year.

This one has a deer on it:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/12/another-guy-with-big-furry-hat.html

Definitely will be a series this winter.

Also, hats with animal faces on them are very popular, so they could
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blog...

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
I have to be really carefull where i leave stuff. Lucy likes to bat
stuff off tables and such.

Dave

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  Fortunately, the camera still seems to be working.  But now, the focusing
 ring on the lens sticks at the far and near end.

 Goddammit.

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Re: Pentax Users Gallery (the PUG) - Changes for 2011

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks for stepping up and carrying the PUG on your back.

Dave

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:39 PM, Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 G'day all

 As you may be aware, Scott has decided to step down as PUGmeister and
 I've agreed to try to fill his shoes.  May be a forlorn task, but we'll
 see...

 Just to clarify what the PUG is all about for those new to the list:

 The PUG is this list's monthly themed photo gallery - it has nothing to
 do with the 'Pentax Photo Gallery' run by Pentax USA.  Basically, list
 members submit an image based on the monthly theme, the images are
 compiled into a gallery and each month the gallery is uploaded for the
 enjoyment of all.  The galleries are archived permanently and you can go
 back as far as 1998 to enjoy the images submitted in the past.

 The PUG is hosted on the Komkon server, facilitated by PDMLer Igor
 Roshchin, for which we are extremely grateful.

 There probably wont be too many obvious changes to the way the PUG
 operates.  Igor has installed the scripting software for the Submission
 Form on Komkon, so there will be a new location for that form but, like
 Scott, I'll be compiling the galleries using JAlbum, so they will look
 much the same as in the past.

 I'll post further details and themes for 2011 in a few days.



 Cheers

 Brian

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Re: PESO - Another Guy with a Big Furry Hat

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
Frank, this should make a great winter series, as long as you don't
get chased by a mad hatter.

PS the kids seem to like those hats that look like work socks around here.

Dave

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:24 AM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 It looks like this style of hat (and ones like it) are very popular this year.

 This one has a deer on it:

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/12/another-guy-with-big-furry-hat.html

 Definitely will be a series this winter.

 Also, hats with animal faces on them are very popular, so they could
 also be fun.  Maybe I'll have a Canadian Winter Hats series or
 blog...

 Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

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Re: New to list / acronyms

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Kenton Brede kbr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, I've been lurking for a few days here.  I'm from the Midwest.  I
 bought my first DSLR about two weeks ago, a K-x  with the 18-55mm,
 55-300mm lens kit.  I've got a 50mm M f/1.7 on the way, as well as a
 polarizer and graduated filter.  I also picked up a cleaning kit with
 rocket blower and a manfrotto tripod and head.

Welcome Kenton. This is a pretty laid back list, and we sometimes do
talk about photography.:-)

 No one told me the
 peripherals were going to cost so damn much.  I feel like I'm
 hemorrhaging money.  LOL  It's sad but true.

Did'nt you get my memo.??


 I know next to nothing about photography.  I've read Understanding
 Exposure by Bryan Peterson and The Digital Photography Book by
 Scott Kelby; both have been a good introduction I think.  I'm
 currently reading Creative Nature  Outdoor Photography by Brenda
 Tharp.  Next on the list is The Photographer's Eye by Michael
 Freeman.  If anyone has suggestions as to which other books I should
 be reading, I'm all ears.

 I've never used any image manipulation type software other than
 Picassa.  I'm a Linux user and have evaluated Bibble 5 for a couple
 evenings.  It's crashed on me a few times and sucks all available
 memory and some swap when it imports RAW and builds thumbnails.
 PS Elements and or Lightroom seem to be the weapons of choice here.

 I
 might have to break down and get a MAC at some point, if all Linux
 image software is this crash prone.

We have members here that use Mac, PC, Windows and Linux, so feel free to ask.

Bibble does have some cool tricks
 though.  I really like the heal/clone thing but I suppose other
 software packages have something similar.

 OK, I do have a question:

 Is there a page defining the acronyms used here, like: PESO, GESO,
 PAW?  If not, could someone enlighten me?

I think someone answered that for you. Post some photos and we'll pick away.

Dave Brooks

PS if you need spelling help, I'm, your man.

 Thanks,
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Re: PESO - Christmas at the Mall

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
Nice layout.

Dave

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 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12044123size=lg

 k-5 with DA* 16-50, ISO 2500, f8 @ 1/40th, 16 mm

 http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12044123size=lg

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
Great shot.

Dave

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Nick David Wright
pedalsandpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://blog.nickdavidwright.net/2010/12/leave-light-on.html

 This shot has set in my files since I shot it. It is another example
 of why I needed my own scanner. The machine at walmart thought this
 photo was a mistake and would make the file so the building was
 exposed properly. I tried working with the techs at the lab to get a
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Re: PESO: Anacapri Street

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
Pretty scene.

Dave

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 Comments, Suggestions, Criticisms and Abuse are always welcome.

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Re: PESO: Zion in the Fall

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
Another pretty scenic shot. I like the placement of those few headstones.

Dave

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Re: Pentax Users Gallery (the PUG) - Changes for 2011

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org:


 p.s. So... what month are we having the cat photos?

 I don't remember catastrophy, catapults or catalogs suggested
 as themes for the next year..

that is because this year's cat theme will be concatenated RAW files
- PDML takes ASCII art to the next level and beyond. separate
categories for PEF and DNG as well as lower and upper case ]=)

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Re: Teleconverters?

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
btw just enabled myself with the Bower I mentioned in a previous reply
on this thread - eBay steal for € 22 thanks to a poorly described
listing - now I'll find out first hand how good or bad it really is =)
cheers
ecke

2010/12/5 eckinator eckina...@gmail.com:
 2010/12/5 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:

 Yup. Sometimes if you can afford it, you get the tools you want. Most of the
 time you use the tools you already have. That's why I'm shooting with the
 300mm I've got and not the 600mm I'd have if money grew on trees.

 the other day on eBay Germany, two new Sigma 200-500/2.8, one Canon,
 one Nikon, each went for a little over €7K. You can imagine how hard I
 was looking for the money tree - it would have been a cool gadget to
 have for sure. However, at 15.7 kgs plus another 23.1 for the carrying
 case - plus of course a massive tripod, not to mention the little
 black thingy that clings to the back of the lens - it is too much to
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PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread DagT
http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800 

DagT
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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Boris Liberman

Superb, Dag, just superb.

Boris

On 12/5/2010 4:46 PM, DagT wrote:

http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800

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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Walter Gilbert


Now, if my cat comes out of hiding, all will be back to normal.


I like the furry little buggers, but when you're living with a cat 
nothing is ever normal.


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Re: New to list / acronyms

2010-12-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Ken Waller


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message -
From: drd1...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: New to list / acronyms



 Welcome. Aside from equipment advice you'll be able to post pictures and
 get criticism. Lots of criticism. In your best interest of course.

And PUNS, lots of PUNS, you forgot to mention PUNS



Monty Python  H2G2 references, the obscurer the better ...

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Re: Two more PESOs from Boris

2010-12-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Boris Liberman


Thank you, Christine. But would you please elaborate as to why Ice
cream does not hold your interest?



Well, it melts doesn't it?  ... little, gooey puddles and then it sort 
of just dries up and goes away.


 8-D

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread Nick David Wright
Thanks everyone for the kind words about the photo!

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 7:24 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Great shot.

 Dave

 On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Nick David Wright
 pedalsandpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://blog.nickdavidwright.net/2010/12/leave-light-on.html

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Re: New to list / acronyms

2010-12-05 Thread mike wilson

eckinator wrote:

Welcome, Kenton
It's all been said except that the bleeding won't stop.
Ask about CBA and LBA some time.
Oh yeah, and about cormorants.


The bleeding what won't stop?
Drums?
Puns?

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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread mike wilson

eckinator wrote:


2010/12/5 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:


Should be available for the K%, too.



Hey, let's start the K% nation or a K%er gang =)



Inititation criterium is that you have to be so fumble-fiingered as to 
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RE: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: DagT


http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800



Kool! I can see the last visible dog.

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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert
 Ha!  That's almost exactly what I did at first -- only, less a 
whack than a tap, flush on a counter top -- thinking the cylinder might 
be just a little misaligned and that might get it right.  No dice.  
Seems an hour of constant turning to the point of nearly blistering my 
fingertips was the ticket.  What can I say?  I once took my car to a 
mechanic who fixed a bent valve by wedging a pry bar between the valve 
and the edge of the cylinder head and bending it back into position.  
Brutal, and not perfect, but effective.  :-D


-- Walt

On 12/5/2010 4:23 AM, Cotty wrote:

On 4/12/10, Walter Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed:


  My cat just knocked it and my K-x off the top of a dresser, onto the
floor.  Fortunately, the camera still seems to be working.  But now, the
focusing ring on the lens sticks at the far and near end.

Walt, the one and only time I ever dropped my iPhone while it wasn't in
it's case, the little on/off button on top sarted sticking. After seeing
where the impact damage was and using my warped-but-give-it-a-go logic,
I gave it a bash on the opposite side. It then worked perfectly again.
This is me ;)

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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert

   Fortunately, I know a vet who was able to talk me through it.

On 12/5/2010 4:24 AM, Cotty wrote:

On 4/12/10, Walter Gilbert, discombobulated, unleashed:


Now, if my cat comes out of hiding, all will be back to normal.

I gather that to remove a Pentax SMC lens from a cat's butt in fact
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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert

 Ha!  Just not *my* cat.

On 12/5/2010 4:33 AM, Bong Manayon wrote:

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:

  My cat just knocked it and my K-x off the top of a dresser, onto the floor.
  Fortunately, the camera still seems to be working.  But now, the focusing
ring on the lens sticks at the far and near end.

Sorry to hear that.  Does that mean you will not be submitting any cat
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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread mike wilson

mike wilson wrote:


eckinator wrote:


2010/12/5 mike wilson m.9.wil...@ntlworld.com:


Should be available for the K%, too.




Hey, let's start the K% nation or a K%er gang =)



Inititation criterium is that you have to be so fumble-fiingered as to 
take at least one shot up your nose every time you take the camera out.



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Re: So much for my M-50/2

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert
 This was one of those instances when cats suddenly decide they need to 
be in a different place, RIGHT NOW!


-- Walt

On 12/5/2010 7:05 AM, David J Brooks wrote:

I have to be really carefull where i leave stuff. Lucy likes to bat
stuff off tables and such.

Dave

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:

  My cat just knocked it and my K-x off the top of a dresser, onto the floor.
  Fortunately, the camera still seems to be working.  But now, the focusing
ring on the lens sticks at the far and near end.

Goddammit.

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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele



Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

 


How much do they cost?

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert

 That's a relief. Thanks for the info.

By the way ... is b/w 35mm more forgiving than color when printing 
enlargements, or are you still pretty much limited to around 8 x 10 
before the grain starts to get obtrusive?  And how much difference can I 
expect out of professional grade over standard consumer grade films?


-- Walt

On 12/4/2010 8:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walter Gilbert


Great.  Looks like I'm staring down the barrel of another expense to
go along with my newly acquired pursuit of film photography: good
printer, ink, and paper.

Seems there ought to be a way to embed processing instructions in the
EXIF data to tell the machines not to engage in such foolishness.


Maybe not. It's only scanning the negatives that gives the automatic 
processor fits.


If you're scanning your negatives at home, once you have a digital 
image you like, the mini-labs print them pretty much as you submit it.


They don't automatically correct mistakes like the machine does for 
negatives.





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Re: Two more PESOs from Boris

2010-12-05 Thread Eric Weir

 - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 12:01 AM
 Subject: Two more PESOs from Boris
 
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-55-ice-cream.html and
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.com/2010/11/peso-2010-56-empty-street.html
 
 Be brutal and honest.

Might like ice cream if the image were larger. As it is shadow overwhelms 
detail. Love empty street, where shadow is a part of what appeals.

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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Eric Weir

On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:59 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800
 
 
 Kool! I can see the last visible dog.

Somehow this made me realize the taking a shot of you taking a shot of him is 
*you*. Boy was I suckered in on that one. 

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Re: New to list / acronyms

2010-12-05 Thread Eric Weir

On Dec 5, 2010, at 1:14 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:

 or even PAWs

Haven't figured that one out, yet.
 
 ...we're a gentle and friendly bunch...

Being a newby myself, here and in photography, I can testify to that.

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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert

 That is just a great shot.

To say the least, it relates an experience I'm not likely to have 
anytime soon, as there appear to be more people in that hallway than in 
my entire town.


-- Walt

On 12/5/2010 8:46 AM, DagT wrote:

http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread Nick David Wright
Real black and white (i.e. - not the c41 bw) has the potential to be
sharper than color because of the way it's made.

As to enlargements, I know lots of folks claim that 8x10 is the
largest you can go with 35mm but that's just not true. I've personally
made poster-sized prints from 35mm, and I know some billboards back in
the day were shot with 35mm. It depends on the film used, and the
image itself. I think one problem with small format enlargements is
that folks blow it up huge then look at it inches from their face.
This looks horrible, they'll say, no kidding.

Now, I don't know if I'd trust the scanner I bought to enlarge 35
bigger than 8x10.

As to pro vs consumer films, I have not noticed an appreciable
difference for my use. My recent color work has been shot on the
Fujicolor 200, a four pack at WalMart costs $7. For black and white I
slightly prefer Ilford's XP2, but the local Walgreens carry three
packs of Kodak BW400CN for $12 which I might start using since I won't
have to pay shipping. When I can develop my own again, I'll probably
go right back to Ilford's HP5+.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
  That's a relief. Thanks for the info.

 By the way ... is b/w 35mm more forgiving than color when printing
 enlargements, or are you still pretty much limited to around 8 x 10 before
 the grain starts to get obtrusive?  And how much difference can I expect out
 of professional grade over standard consumer grade films?

 -- Walt

 On 12/4/2010 8:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Walter Gilbert

    Great.  Looks like I'm staring down the barrel of another expense to
 go along with my newly acquired pursuit of film photography: good
 printer, ink, and paper.

 Seems there ought to be a way to embed processing instructions in the
 EXIF data to tell the machines not to engage in such foolishness.

 Maybe not. It's only scanning the negatives that gives the automatic
 processor fits.

 If you're scanning your negatives at home, once you have a digital image
 you like, the mini-labs print them pretty much as you submit it.

 They don't automatically correct mistakes like the machine does for
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Re: DA 16-45 f/4 lens

2010-12-05 Thread Dario Bonazza
I have owned one since they first came out and I'm extremely happy with its 
IQ. It's been by far my most used lens for my first 6 years of digital 
photography, now replaced by the Sigma 17-70 f/2.8/4 HSM thanks its longer 
reach and silent operation.
Another important plus of the 16-45 is there are no faulty samples around, 
as it happens so often with the DA* 16-50 f/2.8. That was confirmed by the 
Pentax service for Italy, where a technician once told me that the 16-45/4 
is the most reliable Pentax lens in recent years, with a zero-fault score. 
They never get any 16-45/4 back from unhappy purchasers.


The only problem can be it only reaches 45mm, but that's hardly a surprise 
;-)


Dario

- Original Message - 
From: David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz

To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 9:10 AM
Subject: DA 16-45 f/4 lens


I just noticed the camera shop's ad also has this lens on special (not the 
16-50 f/2.8 unfortunately).  What's the group's consensus on this one?  It 
might be a bad assumption that PDML can agree on anything, but it's worth a 
try.


Cheers,
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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Eric Weir

On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:46 AM, DagT wrote:

 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800 

Agree with Boris -- the detail, the color; the variety in the scene, e.g., of 
ages; and the guy taking a shot of you taking a shot of him.

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert



On 12/5/2010 10:40 AM, Nick David Wright wrote:

Real black and white (i.e. - not the c41 bw) has the potential to be
sharper than color because of the way it's made.
Thanks, David.  I can see I'm going to need to do a little research to 
determine what constitutes real bw vs. C41.  I know the local camera 
shop does C41 developing at $1.99 a roll (I assume that's for 24 exposures).



For black and white I
slightly prefer Ilford's XP2, but the local Walgreens carry three
packs of Kodak BW400CN for $12 which I might start using since I won't
have to pay shipping.
I'll definitely have to check my local Walgreen's for film, as Walmart 
had no bw at all.  I find that surprising.  Go figure.


-- Walt


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Re: Pentax Users Gallery (the PUG) - Changes for 2011

2010-12-05 Thread Igor Roshchin


Sun Dec 5 07:38:47 CST 2010
eckinator wrote:

 2010/12/5 Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org:
 
 
  p.s. So... what month are we having the cat photos?
 
  I don't remember catastrophy, catapults or catalogs suggested
  as themes for the next year..
 
 that is because this year's cat theme will be concatenated RAW files
 - PDML takes ASCII art to the next level and beyond. separate
 categories for PEF and DNG as well as lower and upper case ]=)

man cat(1)

It will be called steganocatography.

At that point the PUssycatGallery will be watched by the
Cat Investigation Agency and Feline Bureau of Investigation.

:-)


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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
Creative!

Jack

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 From: DagT li...@thrane.name
 Subject: PAW48 - Crowd
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 6:46 AM
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800 
 
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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
Take another look, Walt. Appears to me to be a mirrored elevator.

Jack

--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: PAW48 - Crowd
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 8:35 AM
  That is just a great shot.
 
 To say the least, it relates an experience I'm not likely
 to have anytime soon, as there appear to be more people in
 that hallway than in my entire town.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 12/5/2010 8:46 AM, DagT wrote:
  http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
  K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800
  
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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Walter Gilbert

   Ha!  I thought it was a mirrored hallway full of elevators!  :-D

Oddly enough, my point still stands.  ;-)

-- Walt

On 12/5/2010 11:07 AM, Jack Davis wrote:

Take another look, Walt. Appears to me to be a mirrored elevator.

Jack

--- On Sun, 12/5/10, Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com  wrote:


From: Walter Gilbertldott...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: PAW48 - Crowd
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net
Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 8:35 AM
  That is just a great shot.

To say the least, it relates an experience I'm not likely
to have anytime soon, as there appear to be more people in
that hallway than in my entire town.

-- Walt

On 12/5/2010 8:46 AM, DagT wrote:

http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread Nick David Wright
Most labs charge the same for developing wether it's 24 or 36 exp.

I like the real bw, but since I have no facilities to develop my own
and I don't like mailing it out the c41 stuff works nicely for me.
I'll probably start mailing most of my film soon though so I'll
probably go back to using the real stuff.

~Nick

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:


 On 12/5/2010 10:40 AM, Nick David Wright wrote:

 Real black and white (i.e. - not the c41 bw) has the potential to be
 sharper than color because of the way it's made.

 Thanks, David.  I can see I'm going to need to do a little research to
 determine what constitutes real bw vs. C41.  I know the local camera shop
 does C41 developing at $1.99 a roll (I assume that's for 24 exposures).

 For black and white I
 slightly prefer Ilford's XP2, but the local Walgreens carry three
 packs of Kodak BW400CN for $12 which I might start using since I won't
 have to pay shipping.

 I'll definitely have to check my local Walgreen's for film, as Walmart had
 no bw at all.  I find that surprising.  Go figure.

 -- Walt


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Re: Brief but direct encounter with Sony SLT-A55

2010-12-05 Thread Miserere
On 5 December 2010 03:48, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello there, great and wise women and men of PDML. I have witnessed Sony
 SLT-A55 and here is the impressions from that encounter:

 1. It is small and light. It is so small that people with bigger hands
 (unlike me) may have difficulty operating it.

 2. A number of operations require that you press buttons on the back of the
 camera and if you want to do so without taking it away from your eye, it may
 be a bit difficult at first. But after two-three times I did it, it did not
 felt awkward at all.

 3. The lack of mirror slap is unusual. It is even more unusual that the
 sound of shutter release /seems/ like it is combined of two distinct sounds.
 It is not loud, though it is hard to tell if K-7 is quieter. And I did not
 have K-7 on me to compare them side by side.

 4. The EVF. Well, EVFs will rule the world. Seriously. Consider this:

 a. To perform precision manual focus you simply point you camera where you
 want, press delete button twice and you get x7.5 magnified area where you
 can focus as precise as you want. You will also see how shaky your hands,
 but once you depress ever so slightly the shutter release button, the view
 returns back to regular and you can compose the shot. My immediate and first
 impression is that this is /significantly/ more convenient than split
 focusing screen and magnifying eye cap, simply because you get way more
 magnification and hence the precision. I tried it and was impressed by how
 easy the process was and how precise I could focus effectively right out of
 the box.

 b. Since this thing is electronic, you can do all kinds of menu related
 operations without taking the camera off your eye. I can hardly imagine how
 often such a thing could be useful, but it is there nonetheless.

 c. I did a but of moving of the camera around rapidly - the response of the
 VF was sufficiently smooth. Nothing I could object to.

 d. At the end I did feel a bit of strain in my eyes, but it has to be said
 that:
 d1. I couldn't change the diopter correction if there were any.
 d2. I usually have one or two days of felt eye strain if I change monitors.
 Then it subsides. May be something similar would have happened if I had this
 camera for more than 15 minutes.

 5. As a funny or peculiar point, I'd like to point out that this camera also
 has the electronic level that is implemented as a rather odd looking bracket
 around the center of the screen.

 6. And finally, for those of us who like to geotag - this camera has a
 built-in GPS module that automatically geotags your images.

 All in all - worthy of any praise and quite excellent camera.

 Boris

Welcome to the Dark Side of EVF lovers, Boris. I was also impressed
with the A55, which is saying something because I've never been
impressed by any of Sony's APS-C cameras (though never used the A700).

How did you find AF speed? I thought it was good, with the added
benefit that you can set your AF point to practically any place in the
VF.


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RE: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Bob W

 
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800 
 

that's excellent. Pity about the idiot holding up the camera - he'll never
get a good shot in those conditions. Maybe you could clone him out.

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Re: Brief but direct encounter with Sony SLT-A55

2010-12-05 Thread Adam Maas
I've had an A33 since September, ditched my K-x for it. (same basic
camera, but 14MP, no GPS and only 7fps in the special burst mode). A
couple comments interspersed.

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 5 December 2010 03:48, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello there, great and wise women and men of PDML. I have witnessed Sony
 SLT-A55 and here is the impressions from that encounter:

 1. It is small and light. It is so small that people with bigger hands
 (unlike me) may have difficulty operating it.

If you're OK with a K-m/x/r, the A33/55 are fine for size, they're
just a smidgen smaller.


 2. A number of operations require that you press buttons on the back of the
 camera and if you want to do so without taking it away from your eye, it may
 be a bit difficult at first. But after two-three times I did it, it did not
 felt awkward at all.

It generally works well, some things are a bit awkward though, but I
rarely find myself changing most settings at eyelevel.


 3. The lack of mirror slap is unusual. It is even more unusual that the
 sound of shutter release /seems/ like it is combined of two distinct sounds.
 It is not loud, though it is hard to tell if K-7 is quieter. And I did not
 have K-7 on me to compare them side by side.

The shutter is normally open and fires twice (closes before the
exposure, opens for the exposure, closes again then opens for the LV
feed). This 'fires twice' sound is common to all the EVIL cameras.


 4. The EVF. Well, EVFs will rule the world. Seriously. Consider this:

 a. To perform precision manual focus you simply point you camera where you
 want, press delete button twice and you get x7.5 magnified area where you
 can focus as precise as you want. You will also see how shaky your hands,
 but once you depress ever so slightly the shutter release button, the view
 returns back to regular and you can compose the shot. My immediate and first
 impression is that this is /significantly/ more convenient than split
 focusing screen and magnifying eye cap, simply because you get way more
 magnification and hence the precision. I tried it and was impressed by how
 easy the process was and how precise I could focus effectively right out of
 the box.

And that's the killer app for the EVF. I replaced the K-x with the A33
solely because of the EVF making precision focus easier, especially in
low light. It's also surprisingly easy to focus accurately without the
magnification when using an EVF.


 b. Since this thing is electronic, you can do all kinds of menu related
 operations without taking the camera off your eye. I can hardly imagine how
 often such a thing could be useful, but it is there nonetheless.

 c. I did a but of moving of the camera around rapidly - the response of the
 VF was sufficiently smooth. Nothing I could object to.

 d. At the end I did feel a bit of strain in my eyes, but it has to be said
 that:
 d1. I couldn't change the diopter correction if there were any.

Diopter adjustment is a wheel on the viewfinder like most SLR's, not
Pentax's slide-type setting.

 d2. I usually have one or two days of felt eye strain if I change monitors.
 Then it subsides. May be something similar would have happened if I had this
 camera for more than 15 minutes.

 5. As a funny or peculiar point, I'd like to point out that this camera also
 has the electronic level that is implemented as a rather odd looking bracket
 around the center of the screen.

It works pretty well though, I like it better than most level implementations


 6. And finally, for those of us who like to geotag - this camera has a
 built-in GPS module that automatically geotags your images.

A55V is only available in some markets, a non-GPS A55 unit is
available in the others. The A33 loses the GPS as well.

 All in all - worthy of any praise and quite excellent camera.

 Boris

 Welcome to the Dark Side of EVF lovers, Boris. I was also impressed
 with the A55, which is saying something because I've never been
 impressed by any of Sony's APS-C cameras (though never used the A700).

 How did you find AF speed? I thought it was good, with the added
 benefit that you can set your AF point to practically any place in the
 VF.


   —M.

The AF speed is amazing for a camera at this pricepoint, as good as
anything else in the sub-$1k USD range. In really low light the AF is
as good or better than the D300 on the centre point (I was stunned
when I found my A33 could AF in any light where I could reasonably get
an exposure).

You can't select an AF point anywhere in the frame though (unlike the
Micro-4/3rds cameras), just one of the 15 fixed AF points. They cover
a good portion of the frame though.


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Re: Semi-OT request: Resources for

2010-12-05 Thread Eric Weir

On Dec 3, 2010, at 4:39 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 I think previsualization is kind of like my grand-daddy always said about 
 measure twice - cut once. It's sort of an additional step to get your mind 
 in sync with what you're trying to accomplish.
 
 You don't always have just one focus, one aperture, one shutter speed. When 
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 change your image. You could have a dozen different focuses, each with it's 
 own appropriate aperture and shutter speed.
 
 Previsualization helps you see how changing these factors is going to 
 change the final image before you commit to film (or sensor).

Playing around with the meter todoy, dipping in and out of the manual, I can 
see I'm learn from it. The manual's discussion of exposure in terms of flat, 
normal, and contrasting scences, and of the brightness range approach to 
metering/setting exposure strikes me as a simplified zone system, with -- for 
now, anyway -- just three zones instead of nine.

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Re: Teleconverters

2010-12-05 Thread Eric Weir

Looks like I won't be getting the A2XS. The bidding's gotten to high for me.

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RE: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Jack Davis
LOL..

Jack

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 From: Bob W p...@web-options.com
 Subject: RE: PAW48 - Crowd
 To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net
 Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 9:58 AM
 
  
  http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
  K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800 
  
 
 that's excellent. Pity about the idiot holding up the
 camera - he'll never
 get a good shot in those conditions. Maybe you could clone
 him out.
 
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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread paul stenquist
Love this one. Great concept.
Paul

On Dec 5, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Bob W wrote:

 
 
 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
 K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800 
 
 
 that's excellent. Pity about the idiot holding up the camera - he'll never
 get a good shot in those conditions. Maybe you could clone him out.
 
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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Nick David Wright
pedalsandpr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Real black and white (i.e. - not the c41 bw) has the potential to be
 sharper than color because of the way it's made.

 As to enlargements, I know lots of folks claim that 8x10 is the
 largest you can go with 35mm but that's just not true. I've personally
 made poster-sized prints from 35mm, and I know some billboards back in
 the day were shot with 35mm.

 I have made 11x14 prints from images taken on my Nikon D1 and or D1H.
I don't listen to who ever They are.:-)

dave




It depends on the film used, and the
 image itself. I think one problem with small format enlargements is
 that folks blow it up huge then look at it inches from their face.
 This looks horrible, they'll say, no kidding.

 Now, I don't know if I'd trust the scanner I bought to enlarge 35
 bigger than 8x10.

 As to pro vs consumer films, I have not noticed an appreciable
 difference for my use. My recent color work has been shot on the
 Fujicolor 200, a four pack at WalMart costs $7. For black and white I
 slightly prefer Ilford's XP2, but the local Walgreens carry three
 packs of Kodak BW400CN for $12 which I might start using since I won't
 have to pay shipping. When I can develop my own again, I'll probably
 go right back to Ilford's HP5+.

 On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
  That's a relief. Thanks for the info.

 By the way ... is b/w 35mm more forgiving than color when printing
 enlargements, or are you still pretty much limited to around 8 x 10 before
 the grain starts to get obtrusive?  And how much difference can I expect out
 of professional grade over standard consumer grade films?

 -- Walt

 On 12/4/2010 8:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Walter Gilbert

    Great.  Looks like I'm staring down the barrel of another expense to
 go along with my newly acquired pursuit of film photography: good
 printer, ink, and paper.

 Seems there ought to be a way to embed processing instructions in the
 EXIF data to tell the machines not to engage in such foolishness.

 Maybe not. It's only scanning the negatives that gives the automatic
 processor fits.

 If you're scanning your negatives at home, once you have a digital image
 you like, the mini-labs print them pretty much as you submit it.

 They don't automatically correct mistakes like the machine does for
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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 1:30 PM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:

  I have made 11x14 prints from images taken on my Nikon D1 and or D1H.
 I don't listen to who ever They are.:-)

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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Carlos R

Very nice, as usual.

El 05/12/2010 15:46, DagT escribió:

http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800

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Re: Pentax Users Gallery (the PUG) - Changes for 2011

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling
In the past IIRC the past  part of gallery was set aside for non themed 
submissions.


I don't think that Scott stopped accepting those submissions but I don't 
think that JAlbum supports a way to segregate a second sub-album on the 
same page.


I guess I have two questions, are we now not going to accept non-themed 
submissions or are we just going to continue on as before with the 
themed and non themed photos mixed together?  Not that I remember the 
last time a non-themed photo was submitted mind you, and I phrased that 
as one question didn't I.  Oh well...


On 12/4/2010 6:39 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

G'day all

As you may be aware, Scott has decided to step down as PUGmeister and
I've agreed to try to fill his shoes.  May be a forlorn task, but we'll
see...

Just to clarify what the PUG is all about for those new to the list:

The PUG is this list's monthly themed photo gallery - it has nothing to
do with the 'Pentax Photo Gallery' run by Pentax USA.  Basically, list
members submit an image based on the monthly theme, the images are
compiled into a gallery and each month the gallery is uploaded for the
enjoyment of all.  The galleries are archived permanently and you can go
back as far as 1998 to enjoy the images submitted in the past.

The PUG is hosted on the Komkon server, facilitated by PDMLer Igor
Roshchin, for which we are extremely grateful.

There probably wont be too many obvious changes to the way the PUG
operates.  Igor has installed the scripting software for the Submission
Form on Komkon, so there will be a new location for that form but, like
Scott, I'll be compiling the galleries using JAlbum, so they will look
much the same as in the past.

I'll post further details and themes for 2011 in a few days.



Cheers

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Walter Gilbert


  That's a relief. Thanks for the info.

By the way ... is b/w 35mm more forgiving than color when printing
enlargements, or are you still pretty much limited to around 8 x 10
before the grain starts to get obtrusive?  And how much difference can I
expect out of professional grade over standard consumer grade films?


Not a lot really. Film emulsion changes as it ages.

Consumer film is made to age gracefully under the assumption that it 
won't get used real soon so it gradually reaches peak performance while 
sitting in the warehouse or on the vendor's shelf.


Professional film is designed to be at peak performance *RIGHT NOW*. 
Keeping it refrigerated keeps it at its peak.


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Re: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele

I don't remember being there, but it looks like I was...

ann

paul stenquist wrote:


Love this one. Great concept.
Paul

On Dec 5, 2010, at 12:58 PM, Bob W wrote:

 


http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
K20D, DA15mm, 1/90s, f/5.6, ISO800 

 


that's excellent. Pity about the idiot holding up the camera - he'll never
get a good shot in those conditions. Maybe you could clone him out.

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Re: GESO: Grinderman in concert

2010-12-05 Thread Charles Robinson
On Dec 5, 2010, at 5:45, Derby Chang wrote:

 On 25/11/2010 9:03 AM, Charles Robinson wrote:
 
 http://charles.robinsontwins.org/photos/2010/grinderman/
 
 All taken with the K7 and Tamron 90mm f/2.5
 
 Bit late to this one. Very striking set.
 
 1st Ave looks like a fantastically intimate venue for Grinderman. Nick 
 performs at quite large ones when he's here, which is a bit of a shame. They 
 are a confronting band that deserves to be seen up close. You lucky sod
 

Thanks, Derby!  Yes, 1st Avenue holds about 1100 people, tops, when it's really 
packed.  It's a fantastic venue to see the not quite huge shows that come 
through town.

If you're a Prince fan, you might remember this as the location at which the 
concert scenes from Purple Rain were filmed.  They made it look HUGE in the 
movie, though.  It's not huge.

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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com:

 How much do they cost?
 (ann ducks)

100 K yen, works out to about 900 € or USD 1250 or so if I've got my math right

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Re: Semi-OT request: Resources for

2010-12-05 Thread Eric Weir

On Dec 5, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

 Playing around with the meter todoy, dipping in and out of the manual, I can 
 see I'm learn from it. The manual's discussion of exposure in terms of flat, 
 normal, and contrasting scences, and of the brightness range approach to 
 metering/setting exposure strikes me as a simplified zone system, with -- for 
 now, anyway -- just three zones instead of nine.

Damn! I spoke to soon. It appears the meter doesn't work. The sun came out a 
little while ago, and when I tried it out the needle barely moved. I thought 
the fact that previously it was registering on the low end of the scale was 
because it was overcast and I was indoors. Apparently it's not registering at 
all.

Can this be? What is there to break? Might there be something I'm overlooking? 
The only control I see other than the dials you move around to get the exposure 
settings after you get a reading of the light value is a baffle on the back 
that you can flip over to get readings in low-light situations. 

It really is a beautiful little machine, but not much use if it doesn't work.

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Re: PESO: Zion in the Fall

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling

On 12/4/2010 6:45 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I like the pic, except for two things:  first, it's too tall to fit 
on a 1000-pixel high monitor; and second, it doesn't  play nicely 
with that pale green background on your site.Do they give you a 
choice of background colors?


   Rick

Thanks for the comments, Rick.  I appreciate the suggestions.

 Yes, I can change the background color.  I chose this one years 
ago.

Now that you point it out, I probably should have used a more neutral
color...

Thanks for your sage advice.

Dan



I agree with Rick,  it's thyme for a change

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Re: PESO: Zion in the Fall

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling

On 12/5/2010 2:36 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

On 12/4/2010 6:45 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I like the pic, except for two things:  first, it's too tall to 
fit on a 1000-pixel high monitor; and second, it doesn't  play 
nicely with that pale green background on your site.Do they give you 
a choice of background colors?


   Rick

Thanks for the comments, Rick.  I appreciate the suggestions.

 Yes, I can change the background color.  I chose this one years 
ago.

Now that you point it out, I probably should have used a more neutral
color...

Thanks for your sage advice.

Dan



I agree with Rick,  it's thyme for a change

ann


Sage advice.

Damn, I didn't notice sage used in the original post, now I'll be 
peppered with disapprobation.


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Re: Mark's Platinum Printing Workshop Report

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling

On 12/3/2010 6:58 AM, mike wilson wrote:

P. J. Alling wrote:

On 11/29/2010 1:05 PM, mike wilson wrote:


Mark Roberts wrote:

http://enticingthelight.com/2010/11/27/platinum-printing-workshop-at-the-george-eastman-house-a-report/ 





Now also on TOP, albeit in a shorter, less idiosyncratically-written
version:
http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2010/11/workshops-at-geh.html 



The TOP  article was supposed to come out last week and I asked
Miserere to hold off the version on his web site until weekend. But
the TOP article ran late -- those who know Mike J. won't be much
surprised ;-)



Anyone else still waiting for their book from him?


I never thought he was reliable enough to order a book.


But is he too stupid to learn from his mistakes?  That seems to be my 
problem.


He seems to have one of the most popular photo web sites on the net.  
Weather or not that proves he learned anything or not is another question.


On the other hand I don;t hate the guy but I did kind of insult him 
once, to his virtual face, so he probably doesn't think too highly of me.







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RE: PAW48 - Crowd

2010-12-05 Thread Chris Mitchell
Dag, your talent knows no bounds - infinite even.

An excellent shot - so much detail to see. I especially like the interplay
between the little girl in pink and her mother - oblivious to everything
else.

Chris

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 http://www.thrane.name/page3/page7/files/page7-1000-full.html
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Re: Teleconverters?

2010-12-05 Thread John Francis
On Sun, Dec 05, 2010 at 10:28:29AM +0100, eckinator wrote:
 2010/12/5 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com:
 
  Yup. Sometimes if you can afford it, you get the tools you want. Most of the
  time you use the tools you already have. That's why I'm shooting with the
  300mm I've got and not the 600mm I'd have if money grew on trees.
 
 the other day on eBay Germany, two new Sigma 200-500/2.8, one Canon,
 one Nikon, each went for a little over ?7K. You can imagine how hard I
 was looking for the money tree - it would have been a cool gadget to
 have for sure. However, at 15.7 kgs plus another 23.1 for the carrying
 case - plus of course a massive tripod, not to mention the little
 black thingy that clings to the back of the lens - it is too much to
 handle so I guess I'm not all that sad... =)

For around half the weight (and half the maximum aperture) you could have
one with a slightly longer reach that was compatible with your existing
equipment.  The trick is to find one at around half the price, too :-)


http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/FatAlbert.jpg

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Re: PESO - Into the Calm

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling
You're getting to be annoyingly good at nature photography.  What's next 
landscapes?


On 12/3/2010 7:30 AM, frank theriault wrote:

These two swans were moving toward calmer waters:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.com/2010/12/into-calm.html

*stD, Tokina 80-200mm f2.8, Manfrotto monopod.

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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling
It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented the 
Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made all over the 
US at about the same time.


On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482

Sorry just had to mention :)

Cheers,
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RE: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

2010-12-05 Thread Bob W
I think the clue's in the name...


 It's like Tulsa OK and New Haven CT arguing over who invented 
 the Hamburger, except that similar sandwiches were being made 
 all over the US at about the same time.
 
 On 12/2/2010 11:48 PM, David Mann wrote:
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-11897482
 
  Sorry just had to mention :)


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Re: Sorry Aussies, it's ours!

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling
Mixed bag there.  The Confectionery violated that neutrality in 1861, 
(as if a State could remain a part of the Union and be neutral, I can't 
think of any theory of law under the Constitution as it was even then 
understood where that was legal).  Kentucky organized a number of 
military units which fought with both sides, and the official elected 
Government was decidedly pro-Union.  The Confederates also set up 
competing State government after their invasion loyal to the South which 
was admitted to the Confederacy on Dec 10 1861.


On 12/3/2010 3:02 PM, Walter Gilbert wrote:

  Good catch, Igor.

Kentucky declared neutrality, and didn't join in with Union forces 
during the war.


-- Walt

On 12/3/2010 1:54 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote:

Walter,

I may have misunderstood you, but what happened with KY on June 1, 1792?
Probably you are talking about _re_joining...
Since KY never seceded, it didn't have to (re-!)join.

Am I missing something?

Igor


Fri Dec 3 10:47:53 CST 2010
Walter Gilbert wrote:


   This sort of reminds me of the ongoing dispute here in the US
between Kentucky and Illinois.  Abraham Lincoln was born in Kentucky,
but spent most of his life and political career in Illinois.  Illinois
claims to be the Land of Lincoln ... but, we still have his old log
cabin birthplace here in Kentucky.

Oddly enough, Kentucky was also the birthplace of the president of the
Confederacy, Jefferson Davis, during the Civil War, and never 
officially

seceded from, nor joined, the Union.  Thus concludes today's Moment of
Pedantry -- with your host, Walt Gilbert.

-- Walt









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Re: John Celio has been having pdml grief

2010-12-05 Thread P. J. Alling

Sacrificing a calf I gather.

On 12/3/2010 5:50 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

Hey, John, where you been?

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:35 PM, John Celion...@neovenator.com  wrote:

Thanks Larry and (presumably) Doug!  It looks like I'm back in.

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Subject: John Celio has been having pdml grief
From: Larry Colenl...@red4est.com
Date: Fri, December 03, 2010 1:31 pm
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net

I got the following message from him on facebook:

Has the PDML been working for the last couple days? I appear to have
been kicked off when neovenator.com was transfered to a different
registrar, which messed up everything for a while. I tried resubscribing
yesterday, but nothing happened. I tried unsubscribing a couple times
today, but still nothing is happening. I don't know what to do to get
back in. :(


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Re: Teleconverters?

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 John Francis jo...@panix.com:

 For around half the weight (and half the maximum aperture) you could have
 one with a slightly longer reach that was compatible with your existing
 equipment.  The trick is to find one at around half the price, too :-)


    http://www.panix.com/~johnf/temp/FatAlbert.jpg
    http://www.panix.com/~johnf/digital/250-600.html
    http://www.panix.com/~johnf/gallery/images/sdwap615.jpg

I know... I've been begging to catch one for ages... IIRC there
actually was one in the bay last year that did go for around half the
price but I missed it. I'll happily plunge up to my neck into debt for
one the moment someone decides to sell theirs.
Are you reading this, whoever you are?
Ecke

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Re: Pentax Users Gallery (the PUG) - Changes for 2011

2010-12-05 Thread Ken Waller

My thanks in advance for taking this over Brian.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: Brian Walters supera1...@fastmail.fm

Subject: Pentax Users Gallery (the PUG) - Changes for 2011



G'day all

As you may be aware, Scott has decided to step down as PUGmeister and
I've agreed to try to fill his shoes.  May be a forlorn task, but we'll
see...

Just to clarify what the PUG is all about for those new to the list:

The PUG is this list's monthly themed photo gallery - it has nothing to
do with the 'Pentax Photo Gallery' run by Pentax USA.  Basically, list
members submit an image based on the monthly theme, the images are
compiled into a gallery and each month the gallery is uploaded for the
enjoyment of all.  The galleries are archived permanently and you can go
back as far as 1998 to enjoy the images submitted in the past.  


The PUG is hosted on the Komkon server, facilitated by PDMLer Igor
Roshchin, for which we are extremely grateful.

There probably wont be too many obvious changes to the way the PUG
operates.  Igor has installed the scripting software for the Submission
Form on Komkon, so there will be a new location for that form but, like
Scott, I'll be compiling the galleries using JAlbum, so they will look
much the same as in the past.

I'll post further details and themes for 2011 in a few days.



Cheers

Brian

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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com

Subject: Re: WTB any list members in Japan?






Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

 


How much do they cost?


Why? Do you have a Yen?



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Re: Pentax Users Gallery (the PUG) - Changes for 2011

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org:

  p.s. So... what month are we having the cat photos?
 
  I don't remember catastrophy, catapults or catalogs suggested
  as themes for the next year..

 that is because this year's cat theme will be concatenated RAW files
 - PDML takes ASCII art to the next level and beyond. separate
 categories for PEF and DNG as well as lower and upper case ]=)

 man cat(1)

 It will be called steganocatography.

 At that point the PUssycatGallery will be watched by the
 Cat Investigation Agency and Feline Bureau of Investigation.

that will give a whole new meaning to the MP spec of a sensor...

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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com:

 How much do they cost?

 Why? Do you have a Yen?

dunno 'bout ann but I seriously yen for one...

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Re: peso: It's my tail

2010-12-05 Thread eckinator
2010/12/5 Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com:

 When I got home and uploaded the pictures, I discovered that, delightful as
 they may have been, I couldn't really post the photos.  Because, well, let's
 just say it *wasn't* the monkey's tail.

when traveling to Borneo our guide kept pointing out the 'red chili'
as he called it, i.e. the ridiculously inflated screaming red genitals
of the alpha male of some kind of monkey, have to dig for the name of
it if anyone cares to know... I'm sure glad I had no long lens on me
that day...
Ecke
PS fun shot Ann =)

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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread Ken Waller


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- Original Message - 
From: Nick David Wright pedalsandpr...@gmail.com


Subject: Re: PESO: Leave the Light On



Real black and white (i.e. - not the c41 bw) has the potential to be
sharper than color because of the way it's made.



As to enlargements, I know lots of folks claim that 8x10 is the
largest you can go with 35mm but that's just not true. I've personally
made poster-sized prints from 35mm, and I know some billboards back in
the day were shot with 35mm. It depends on the film used, and the
image itself.


When I was shooting 35mm slide and needed a 'large' quality print, I had an 
interneg shot and the print made from that.



I think one problem with small format enlargements is
that folks blow it up huge then look at it inches from their face.
This looks horrible, they'll say, no kidding.



Now, I don't know if I'd trust the scanner I bought to enlarge 35
bigger than 8x10.



As to pro vs consumer films, I have not noticed an appreciable
difference for my use. My recent color work has been shot on the
Fujicolor 200, a four pack at WalMart costs $7. For black and white I
slightly prefer Ilford's XP2, but the local Walgreens carry three
packs of Kodak BW400CN for $12 which I might start using since I won't
have to pay shipping. When I can develop my own again, I'll probably
go right back to Ilford's HP5+.


On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 10:13 AM, Walter Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

That's a relief. Thanks for the info.

By the way ... is b/w 35mm more forgiving than color when printing
enlargements, or are you still pretty much limited to around 8 x 10 
before
the grain starts to get obtrusive? And how much difference can I expect 
out

of professional grade over standard consumer grade films?

-- Walt

On 12/4/2010 8:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote:


From: Walter Gilbert


Great. Looks like I'm staring down the barrel of another expense to
go along with my newly acquired pursuit of film photography: good
printer, ink, and paper.

Seems there ought to be a way to embed processing instructions in the
EXIF data to tell the machines not to engage in such foolishness.


Maybe not. It's only scanning the negatives that gives the automatic
processor fits.

If you're scanning your negatives at home, once you have a digital image

you like, the mini-labs print them pretty much as you submit it.


They don't automatically correct mistakes like the machine does for
negatives.





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Re: DA 16-45 f/4 lens

2010-12-05 Thread Larry Colen (Droid Mail)
Sounds like a match in the making

Leon Altoff leon.alt...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Dave,

I have this lens and I like it.  It's not ever going to be as sharp
and fast as the 16-50 f2.8 (and it won't be a s heavy either), but for
the money it's a very good lens.

My only problem with it was that I always seemed to want a little bit
more length out of it and was constantly swapping to a longer lens and
back again.  I've since added a DA 17-70 to my lens collection which I
find covers that bit extra I need.  The 16-45 is sitting around with
the other lenses that I no longer use waiting for me to sell them to
people who can help them fulfil their purpose in life (to be attached
to a camera and take pictures).

Leon

On 4 December 2010 19:10, David Mann d...@multisport.net.nz wrote:
 I just noticed the camera shop's ad also has this lens on special
(not the 16-50 f/2.8 unfortunately).  What's the group's consensus on
this one?  It might be a bad assumption that PDML can agree on
anything, but it's worth a try.

 Cheers,
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Re: PESO: Zion in the Fall

2010-12-05 Thread Ken Waller


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From: P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: PESO: Zion in the Fall



On 12/5/2010 2:36 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:

On 12/4/2010 6:45 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:25 AM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:

  I like the pic, except for two things:  first, it's too tall to fit 
on a 1000-pixel high monitor; and second, it doesn't  play nicely 
with that pale green background on your site.Do they give you a choice 
of background colors?


   Rick

Thanks for the comments, Rick.  I appreciate the suggestions.

 Yes, I can change the background color.  I chose this one years 
ago.

Now that you point it out, I probably should have used a more neutral
color...

Thanks for your sage advice.

Dan



I agree with Rick,  it's thyme for a change

ann


Sage advice.

Damn, I didn't notice sage used in the original post, now I'll be peppered 
with disapprobation.


Just salt it away for future reference.


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Re: PESO: Leave the Light On

2010-12-05 Thread John Sessoms

From: Nick David Wright


Real black and white (i.e. - not the c41 bw) has the potential to be
sharper than color because of the way it's made.

As to enlargements, I know lots of folks claim that 8x10 is the
largest you can go with 35mm but that's just not true. I've personally
made poster-sized prints from 35mm, and I know some billboards back in
the day were shot with 35mm. It depends on the film used, and the
image itself. I think one problem with small format enlargements is
that folks blow it up huge then look at it inches from their face.
This looks horrible, they'll say, no kidding.

Now, I don't know if I'd trust the scanner I bought to enlarge 35
bigger than 8x10.


It depends on the scanner resolution. I have a Nikon CoolscanIV ED that 
does 2900dpi scan resolution. That gives me the equivalent of about an 
11Mp camera from a 35mm frame. That's at least as good as the K10D.


If you're getting 4000dpi scans, figure you're closer to a 20Mp camera.

According to Epson, the V500 is capable of 6400x9600dpi (?). I don't 
know if it will really give you that resolution, but if you get 
something like 6400x6400dpi that would be equivalent to 54Mp.


I think I'd figure on something between 2400dpi and 4000dpi with the V500.

How large a print you can get depends a lot on the process. I wouldn't 
try to print anything below 250dpi on an ink-jet printer, so with the 
file from the CoolscanIV ED, my largest ink-jet print would be 10x16.


RA4 prints like from a mini-lab are different. You can actually get 
acceptable images from 150dpi - not super perhaps, but acceptable - that 
would allow you to go up to 18x27 from a CoolscanIV ED file.


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Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

2010-12-05 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Ken Waller wrote:



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Subject: Re: WTB any list members in Japan?







Re: WTB any list members in Japan?

 


How much do they cost?



Why? Do you have a Yen?



(ann ducks)



I used to, but he wasn't on the list 



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