Re: PESO - Catharine on Augusta Street
Excellent. Full of character. She looks like a very famous unknown writer. B On 8 Sep 2013, at 02:46, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Ignore the fact that this is on Knarf Does Kolor (long story not worth getting into). I came across this one taken three or four years ago. TriX in the Leica CL. I haven't looked at it in years. Might be one of my all-time favourite photos (that I've taken), so I thought I'd repost it: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2009/12/blog-post.html?m=1 Hope you like. Comments welcome. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. Olympus Zuiko Digital 8mm F3.5 Diagonal Fisheye Lens: http://four-thirds.org/en/fourthirds/single.html#i_008mm_f035_olympus BH Photo: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/405508-REG/Olympus_261010_8mm_f_3_5_Fisheye_ED.html Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Oh, foolish me: I didn't realize that Panasonic also ships their own 8mm fisheye lens in Micro-FourThirds mount! Panasonic : LUMIX G FISHEYE 8mm F3.5 http://four-thirds.org/en/microft/single.html#i_008mm_f035_panasonic BH Photo: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/731983-REG/Panasonic_H_F008_Lumix_G_Fisheye_8mm_F3_5.html It's even $150 less expensive than the Olympus FourThirds SLR offering, and no adapter needed. :-) G On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. Olympus Zuiko Digital 8mm F3.5 Diagonal Fisheye Lens: http://four-thirds.org/en/fourthirds/single.html#i_008mm_f035_olympus BH Photo: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/405508-REG/Olympus_261010_8mm_f_3_5_Fisheye_ED.html Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dog shot
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed them. B On 8 Sep 2013, at 05:43, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: Thanks for those, Bob. A few years ago my wife I spent a few days in London (we stayed in a BB near Baker St. Station). I did my daily training runs in the area around Regent's Park so your photos (I didn't take any!) bring back memories. The narrowboats must be opposite the zoo? I see the dogs socialise well - over here they just want to eat each other. Alan C -Original Message- From: Bob W Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 9:37 PM To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Subject: Dog shot I met up with Chris M and Lurker Ben his lovely wife today. After Chris and Ben had completed their murky dealings Chris and I pottered about for a couple of hours in the Regent's Park / Primrose Hill area, which is where pop-stars like to hang out so we felt right at home. We took some snaps at some kind of canine fete then wandered around while Chris told me about Karin's student days, which sound like a right old Carry On... http://www.web-options.com/Primrose/ A very nice day, and nice to meet new people. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Crater Lake Pano
Quoting Alan C c...@lantic.net: I looked up Crater Lake on the web. A truly amazing place. Your pano tops them all. Thanks Alan - very generous comment. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Skunk!!!
Quoting Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net: On 9/7/2013 10:40 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Ugh. My condolences. Our dog has had the same bad luck, a few times... the hydrogen peroxide/baking soda/detergent mixture does the trick for us... though I think you are supposed to let it sit for several minutes before rinsing. Bathing a cat has its own challenges, I imagine... good luck if you have to go for round 2 Actually, giving the cat a bath wasn't so bad. I did get a lot of fur on my tongue :-) Yeah - but the fur balls are a killer... -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Just because there is a focal length fisheye that gives the same FOV as one for APSC or FF for that matter, that doesnt mean it will perform as well as a system. On 9/8/2013 3:24 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Oh, foolish me: I didn't realize that Panasonic also ships their own 8mm fisheye lens in Micro-FourThirds mount! Panasonic : LUMIX G FISHEYE 8mm F3.5 http://four-thirds.org/en/microft/single.html#i_008mm_f035_panasonic BH Photo: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/731983-REG/Panasonic_H_F008_Lumix_G_Fisheye_8mm_F3_5.html It's even $150 less expensive than the Olympus FourThirds SLR offering, and no adapter needed. :-) G On Sep 8, 2013, at 12:19 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. Olympus Zuiko Digital 8mm F3.5 Diagonal Fisheye Lens: http://four-thirds.org/en/fourthirds/single.html#i_008mm_f035_olympus BH Photo: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/405508-REG/Olympus_261010_8mm_f_3_5_Fisheye_ED.html Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net -- -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Crater Lake Pano
Superb! I guess this is a very efficient use of the pano technique. Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/6 Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org: G'day all Back in May we stayed overnight at Crater Lake Lodge. Fortunately the weather was kind (often the lake is apparently hidden by fog) and I managed this early morning pano. http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/PESO/slides/4212-4219blurb.html A larger version is here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1370864/4212-4219peso.jpg Comments appreciated. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Catharine on Augusta Street
An unforgettable portrait. Her looks, your composition and the fitting post processing are all in agreement... Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/8 knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com: Ignore the fact that this is on Knarf Does Kolor (long story not worth getting into). I came across this one taken three or four years ago. TriX in the Leica CL. I haven't looked at it in years. Might be one of my all-time favourite photos (that I've taken), so I thought I'd repost it: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2009/12/blog-post.html?m=1 Hope you like. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Catharine on Augusta Street
I came across this one taken three or four years ago. TriX in the Leica CL. I haven't looked at it in years. Might be one of my all-time favourite photos (that I've taken), so I thought I'd repost it: http://knarfdummyblog.blogspot.ca/2009/12/blog-post.html?m Wonderful shot, frank. I think it's your Mona Lisa. :-) G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
Hi Boris, I liked the first two... The first for its power to separate the waitress from her surroundings (lovely background for a 15mm, by the way). The second for the cosiness and good composition. The third one needs something more (or, perhaps less) which I fail to put my finger on :( Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
The funny thing is, I'd be willing to bet that Aahz knows Ctein personally. Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. Olympus Zuiko Digital 8mm F3.5 Diagonal Fisheye Lens: http://four-thirds.org/en/fourthirds/single.html#i_008mm_f035_olympus BH Photo: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/405508-REG/Olympus_261010_8mm_f_3_5_Fisheye_ED.html Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) G -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
Bulent, I have to respectfully correct you. The first shot (Waitress) is made with Nokton 40/1.4 at around f/2.0 or f/2.8. Hence the OOF rendering. The other two are made with Heliar 15/4.5. Thank you for your kind words. The third shot - I thought that play of light was kind of nice... At least to my eye. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Boris, I liked the first two... The first for its power to separate the waitress from her surroundings (lovely background for a 15mm, by the way). The second for the cosiness and good composition. The third one needs something more (or, perhaps less) which I fail to put my finger on :( Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
Boris, I like the waitress. She looks thoroughly fed up as waitresses usually are. I can't really see the story in the other two but I'm probably not all that perceptive. Alan -Original Message- From: Boris Liberman Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 6:28 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Boris, three PESOs Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GESO: Lens handover and trip to Primrose Hill
Bob beat me to it - here's my record of a pleasant day. PDML lurker Ben Price relieved me of my F* 300 4.5. I'm pleased that it's going to a good home. Ben threatens to de-lurk sometime soon... Bob and I had a rather pleasant lunch at L'Absinthe (no, we didn't partake of any) and a general wander around. http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PrimroseHill/ Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dog shot
Love the balloons. You caught the escapee just right! Chris On 7 September 2013 20:37, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I met up with Chris M and Lurker Ben his lovely wife today. After Chris and Ben had completed their murky dealings Chris and I pottered about for a couple of hours in the Regent's Park / Primrose Hill area, which is where pop-stars like to hang out so we felt right at home. We took some snaps at some kind of canine fete then wandered around while Chris told me about Karin's student days, which sound like a right old Carry On... http://www.web-options.com/Primrose/ A very nice day, and nice to meet new people. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
I should have noticed! In fact, I have that Nokton on a film camera (Bessa R3A). Unfortunately, they just sit together waiting for a miracle to come ;) Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Bulent, I have to respectfully correct you. The first shot (Waitress) is made with Nokton 40/1.4 at around f/2.0 or f/2.8. Hence the OOF rendering. The other two are made with Heliar 15/4.5. Thank you for your kind words. The third shot - I thought that play of light was kind of nice... At least to my eye. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Boris, I liked the first two... The first for its power to separate the waitress from her surroundings (lovely background for a 15mm, by the way). The second for the cosiness and good composition. The third one needs something more (or, perhaps less) which I fail to put my finger on :( Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
Oh! May be you have other lenses in the same mount that you can enable me with :-). On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: I should have noticed! In fact, I have that Nokton on a film camera (Bessa R3A). Unfortunately, they just sit together waiting for a miracle to come ;) Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Bulent, I have to respectfully correct you. The first shot (Waitress) is made with Nokton 40/1.4 at around f/2.0 or f/2.8. Hence the OOF rendering. The other two are made with Heliar 15/4.5. Thank you for your kind words. The third shot - I thought that play of light was kind of nice... At least to my eye. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Bulent Celasun bulent.cela...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Boris, I liked the first two... The first for its power to separate the waitress from her surroundings (lovely background for a 15mm, by the way). The second for the cosiness and good composition. The third one needs something more (or, perhaps less) which I fail to put my finger on :( Bulent - http://patoloji.gen.tr http://celasun.wordpress.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/ http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822 http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/artists/bulentcelasun 2013/9/8 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Travel plans
Starting next week, all four of us we'll be on vacation in Southern-Eastern part of Holland. If you happen to be nearby, please give me a shout off the list. Cheers. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Lens handover and trip to Primrose Hill
Quie nice! Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:16 AM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: Bob beat me to it - here's my record of a pleasant day. PDML lurker Ben Price relieved me of my F* 300 4.5. I'm pleased that it's going to a good home. Ben threatens to de-lurk sometime soon... Bob and I had a rather pleasant lunch at L'Absinthe (no, we didn't partake of any) and a general wander around. http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PrimroseHill/ Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Word on the Street
Thanks for your helpful comments, Bruce. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Bruce bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote: I like the basic subject here. The conversation looks interesting. Two things to consider: 1) the subject seems a little dark - I would consider burning it in a bit. 2) it feels like there is either too little or too much context. I would like to lose the couple holding the cups or to include a little more and see e street a little. Food for thought anyway. -- Bruce Sent from my iPad On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: K-r, SMC DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] DC WR https://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2013/9/7/word-on-the-street or http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17508311size=md Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Any advice for inexpensive lapel microphones?
Fri Sep 6 00:47:24 EDT 2013 Rob Studdert wrote: On 6 September 2013 03:08, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: Hi Matthew, Thanks for sharing this one. I see that some reviews and questions to the answers suggest that the microphone is designed to be powered (although not with the phantom mic power? - sounds weird?). I understand that if you use it with a computer, you need to enable the microphone boost option. It is not a problem by itself, but depending on the device you are planning to use it with, you may have some difficulties with the level of the signal. Condenser or capacitive mics (which this obviously is) need pre-amplification close to the module and ao require power. Larger mics are often battery powered, balanced pro-mics use Phantom power. This type of mic is supplied DC from the mic socket and is generally termed Plug-in Power, of course not all devices provide this mic power. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/insights/blogs/pro-audio/using-lavalier-microphones-recorders.html http://support.pentaximaging.com/node/616 Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Thank you, Rob for the reference. While knowing that condenser mics require power, I just have never spent a moment to think about that in relation to the fact that the computers and recorders must provide that via the input port. Now, I am curious, and couldn't find the answer by googling: Boost in Windows' microphone settings, - does it turn on the plug-in power, or does it really boost the sound card (pre-) amplifier? A curious thing: While reading and searching, - I also discovered, that apparently, Macs have (had?) a special microphone with a special 3.5mm (aka 1/8) plug: http://www.directproaudio.com/shop/accessories/guide/microphone-sound-card.cfm#Macintosh Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
Boris, I like the Waitress. You caught her in a good pose and nice background. Etude has a scramble of light/dark patches from the leaves/sunshine on the right which is distracting. I prefer the more even lighting in Street Scene, but can't find a compelling story with the image. See The Hague while your in the Netherlands and the old master paintings. And Happy New Year! Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Lens handover and trip to Primrose Hill
Very nice - fascinating to see the same basic shots from slightly different viewpoints. B On 8 Sep 2013, at 11:16, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: Bob beat me to it - here's my record of a pleasant day. PDML lurker Ben Price relieved me of my F* 300 4.5. I'm pleased that it's going to a good home. Ben threatens to de-lurk sometime soon... Bob and I had a rather pleasant lunch at L'Absinthe (no, we didn't partake of any) and a general wander around. http://www.mitch.myzen.co.uk/PrimroseHill/ Chris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dog shot
A nice set. I'd never seen that part of London, or at least I can't recall. It's been many years. Paul On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:19 AM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: Love the balloons. You caught the escapee just right! Chris On 7 September 2013 20:37, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I met up with Chris M and Lurker Ben his lovely wife today. After Chris and Ben had completed their murky dealings Chris and I pottered about for a couple of hours in the Regent's Park / Primrose Hill area, which is where pop-stars like to hang out so we felt right at home. We took some snaps at some kind of canine fete then wandered around while Chris told me about Karin's student days, which sound like a right old Carry On... http://www.web-options.com/Primrose/ A very nice day, and nice to meet new people. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dog shot
Great Geso. Several of these would make great shots on their own. Love the shot with the two boys looking around the table. The kid with the dogs, where his hair is almost the same color of their fur, has a lot of aw value. Also really like the one with the urn in the window, window box, and pointed tops of fence. Several others I really like, the above are just the ones that jumped out at me. Way to go, Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/7/2013 12:38:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: I met up with Chris M and Lurker Ben his lovely wife today. After Chris and Ben had completed their murky dealings Chris and I pottered about for a couple of hours in the Regent's Park / Primrose Hill area, which is where pop-stars like to hang out so we felt right at home. We took some snaps at some kind of canine fete then wandered around while Chris told me about Karin's student days, which sound like a right old Carry On... http://www.web-options.com/Primrose/ A very nice day, and nice to meet new people. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
What he said. I think if the last shot had been closer/tighter it might have been more interesting. It just looks like random people. Most street photography focuses in on one or two people, even if others are around. HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/8/2013 6:31:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, rf.sulli...@gmail.com writes: Boris, I like the Waitress. You caught her in a good pose and nice background. Etude has a scramble of light/dark patches from the leaves/sunshine on the right which is distracting. I prefer the more even lighting in Street Scene, but can't find a compelling story with the image. See The Hague while your in the Netherlands and the old master paintings. And Happy New Year! Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Danced out.
Like it, Peter, very Cinderillaish. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/7/2013 8:49:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes: I went to a wedding today, someone's must have hurt about half way through the reception. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20dancedout.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Word on the Street
What he said. Not that I could have said that in the first place, myself. But once Bruce said it, he nailed down my thoughts as well. If you follow me... heh. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/7/2013 9:05:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bkday...@daytonphoto.com writes: I like the basic subject here. The conversation looks interesting. Two things to consider: 1) the subject seems a little dark - I would consider burning it in a bit. 2) it feels like there is either too little or too much context. I would like to lose the couple holding the cups or to include a little more and see e street a little. Food for thought anyway. -- Bruce Sent from my iPad On Sep 7, 2013, at 7:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: K-r, SMC DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6ED AL [IF] DC WR https://dan-matyola.squarespace.com/danmatyolas-pesos/2013/9/7/word-on-the-street or http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17508311size=md Comments are invited. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Well, I've narrowed down my choices to: Canon T4 or T5 (in case I decide NOT to switch -- remotely possible), Pentax K-r, Fujfilm X-Pro1, and Panasonic GX7. (Hope all those letters and numbers are right, but you get the idea). As you can see, I am all over the place. The one similarlity is they all have good reviews and photo enthusiasts really like them. Godfrey has told me of a couple of local places where I might hold cameras, and/or rent. So next month I will start checking them out. THANKS everyone for the input!!! Carry on with your regularly scheduled programming, Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
Boris - I agree with the others' comments. The Waitress is well shot (though I would prefer her to be a touch closer to the right edge). Etude seems too crisp, over sharpened perhaps? Maybe just too much contrast in the scene? A nice enough composition, but maybe memorable only if you know that street. The Street Scene has too many stories going on at one time IMHO. The father with young girls perched on the posts - check. The two ladies approaching one another for greetings - check. The conversational group - check. But all of them in one frame? A bit much I think. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Boris, I like the Waitress. You caught her in a good pose and nice background. Etude has a scramble of light/dark patches from the leaves/sunshine on the right which is distracting. I prefer the more even lighting in Street Scene, but can't find a compelling story with the image. See The Hague while your in the Netherlands and the old master paintings. And Happy New Year! Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso red dragonfly
Like to see him even closer. Never seen those before. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/7/2013 11:35:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: About 2 weeks ago my yard has seen 100's of these guys flying around. http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/9695875632/ Not sure what kind it is. Mark C. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Boris, three PESOs
Love the waitress pic. Paul On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Boris - I agree with the others' comments. The Waitress is well shot (though I would prefer her to be a touch closer to the right edge). Etude seems too crisp, over sharpened perhaps? Maybe just too much contrast in the scene? A nice enough composition, but maybe memorable only if you know that street. The Street Scene has too many stories going on at one time IMHO. The father with young girls perched on the posts - check. The two ladies approaching one another for greetings - check. The conversational group - check. But all of them in one frame? A bit much I think. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Boris, I like the Waitress. You caught her in a good pose and nice background. Etude has a scramble of light/dark patches from the leaves/sunshine on the right which is distracting. I prefer the more even lighting in Street Scene, but can't find a compelling story with the image. See The Hague while your in the Netherlands and the old master paintings. And Happy New Year! Regards, Bob S. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 11:28 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi! Shooting without AF is fun! And for a lens so wide as Heliar 15/4.5 focusing is pretty much redundant to begin with :-). http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-37-waitress.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-38-etude.html http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2013/09/2013-39-street-scene.html Your brutal and honest comments are welcome, as usual. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
What I miss?
So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Diamond Beast
Looks like a compliment... thanks John! -Messaggio originale- From: John Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 7:01 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: GESO - Diamond Beast The mind boggles. On 9/7/2013 6:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, Here you'll find a gallery of pics shot by me at a beer festival. It's a concert of an Iron Maiden all-female cover band: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dariobon/sets/72157634971184073/with/9459198007/ I like those pics, and so the band (as they made wide and smart use of them in their fb accounts). I hope some of you will like too. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3392 / Database dei virus: 3222/6644 - Data di rilascio: 06/09/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Diamond Beast
Hi Bruce, thanks! You're right, see that drummer in action here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HalM_DjoXrc Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bruce Walker Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 7:54 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: GESO - Diamond Beast A great set, Dario. They're a very photogenic band. The drummer seems pretty laid-back though; should get more animated back there. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:28 AM, Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote: Hi all, Here you'll find a gallery of pics shot by me at a beer festival. It's a concert of an Iron Maiden all-female cover band: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dariobon/sets/72157634971184073/with/9459198007/ I like those pics, and so the band (as they made wide and smart use of them in their fb accounts). I hope some of you will like too. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3392 / Database dei virus: 3222/6644 - Data di rilascio: 06/09/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Here's a link to a short video on Photofocus with an overview of the differences between DSLRs and m4/3 cameras. It includes a link to a free 10-day trial on lynda.com so you can watch the entire class. I haven't seen the whole class so I can't vouch for it. The overview was mildly interesting and short. http://photofocus.com/2013/09/07/how-are-micro-four-thirds-cameras-different-from-dslrs/ gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, I've narrowed down my choices to: Canon T4 or T5 (in case I decide NOT to switch -- remotely possible), Pentax K-r, Fujfilm X-Pro1, and Panasonic GX7. (Hope all those letters and numbers are right, but you get the idea). As you can see, I am all over the place. The one similarlity is they all have good reviews and photo enthusiasts really like them. Godfrey has told me of a couple of local places where I might hold cameras, and/or rent. So next month I will start checking them out. THANKS everyone for the input!!! Carry on with your regularly scheduled programming, Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Right now Buydig.com is selling the original K-5 NIB for $639.00 with a $15.00 coupon free shipping in the continental US and no sales tax if you reside outside New Jersey. You can find it on Amazon almost as inexpensively, if price is your issue. It is however still a relatively heavy, compared to say an Olympus OM-D. You don't lose a great deal over the latest K-5 II and it's three year old imaging system is still in the top 20 as tested by DxO mark. In fact it's tied with 6 other cameras in their scoring two of which are the K-5 II and the K-5 IIs. Yes, I know DxOMark doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a comparison. On 9/6/2013 2:15 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Second party? Third party? Not sure what to call it. I am just about to sell my Canon camera, and only have one lens left too. Mainly due to a financial crunch and needing the money. (Boy, it will be ODD not to have a camera. Had one or two since 2001.) I expect my financial situation to ease next month. So I thought, okay, time to switch systems again. I really liked the Canon lenses I ended up with: good color, sharpness, and focal lengths. I had one L glass. BUT.. the Canon system is a wide-mouthed mount, and the lenses tend to be heavy. Being female, as I get older I am losing upper body strength, and I just want something lighter. I COULD switch back to Pentax. But not the K-5, I like spending $400 or so on a camera, $600 max. Truthfully the camera body doesn't matter that much to me, they all do similar things now. Good resolution, ability to shoot video, and some low-light capability is good enough for me. Once I learn a body, I pretty much forget about it when I shoot anyway. I am much more interested in LENSES. Especially zooms, I haven't had any primes for a long time now. I will probably start with two lenses (what I usually do), and then work up from there. I've considered mirror-less, but I really need a viewfinder. I've also considered micro 3/4. I am OPEN. A great many of you now have second or third party camera systems now. Like the Sony NEX. 1. If you have a second (or third party) system what has been your experience with it? What do you like about it? Dislike about it? 2. What lenses (zooms in particular) do you like/dislike? 3. If you are a die-hard Pentax fan, and feel compelled to recommend Pentax to me, ;-), which of the smaller bodies would you suggest? Likes/dislikes? 4. What zooms would you recommend? I tried to be brief so you won't have too much to read, but it's hard. Marnie aka Doe :-) I When I thought about making a decision, I though, heck, ask on PDML and get some experienced input. Then I can find a store, go in and hold some cameras, and go from there. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Diamond Beast
Hi Bob, there's another Iron Maiden female tribute band called 'The Iron Maidens': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2KUti77JA0 Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Bob W Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 7:03 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: GESO - Diamond Beast I'd have called them Ironing Maiden... B On 7 Sep 2013, at 18:01, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: The mind boggles. On 9/7/2013 6:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, Here you'll find a gallery of pics shot by me at a beer festival. It's a concert of an Iron Maiden all-female cover band: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dariobon/sets/72157634971184073/with/9459198007/ I like those pics, and so the band (as they made wide and smart use of them in their fb accounts). I hope some of you will like too. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3392 / Database dei virus: 3222/6644 - Data di rilascio: 06/09/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Diamond Beast
Thanks Walt, Here you can see them live: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ru-KuXg8G5o Dario -Messaggio originale- From: Walt Gilbert Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 8:03 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: GESO - Diamond Beast Cool! The first concert I ever went to was Iron Maiden with Saxon and Fastway -- August 1, 1983. The ticket price was a whopping $9.50. There were probably fewer females in the crowd than there are in that band. They need a mascot named Edie. -- Walt On 9/7/2013 5:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, Here you'll find a gallery of pics shot by me at a beer festival. It's a concert of an Iron Maiden all-female cover band: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dariobon/sets/72157634971184073/with/9459198007/ I like those pics, and so the band (as they made wide and smart use of them in their fb accounts). I hope some of you will like too. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3392 / Database dei virus: 3222/6644 - Data di rilascio: 06/09/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
On 8 Sep 2013, at 16:57, bpmacrae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) Nothing's changed. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
I joined. Everything went to hell. Welcome back! -- Walt On 9/8/2013 10:57 AM, bpmacrae wrote: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
Cotty hasn't eaten his hat yet, so not much. On 9/8/2013 11:57 AM, bpmacrae wrote: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: the end of email as we know it
Since I don't have Gmail, why would I want to use their interface? On 9/7/2013 1:37 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: You can use the Gmail web interface _or_ a smartphone app to take advantage of it. I don't own a smartphone (ludicrously expensive to operate one in Canada). I use the Gmail web interface at home and I'm able to access my mail in many places I travel using my iPod and WiFi. Very handy. On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 12:46 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: If I understand this I must have Gmail a smart phone to use this? Since I have neither, it shouldn't bother me. On 9/6/2013 9:54 AM, Bruce Walker wrote: Apropos of all the email meta threads around here lately, and because it's Friday. This article certainly describes my own experience. Posting this from my Gmail browser tab. :-) http://www.buzzfeed.com/jwherrman/the-end-of-email-as-we-know-it -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
All the old, bad pennies are showing up. I returned this week, after a month or two of absence, and I returned this year after a year or two or three of being gone most of the time. (Pop in and say hi, and pop out again for a long while.) And Bruce Dayton came back this week after a year or two of absence. And now you. I am kind of wondering who is next. Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 9/8/2013 8:57:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bpmac...@gmail.com writes: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Diamond Beast
Except that young women know less about ironing then guys do. On 9/7/2013 1:03 PM, Bob W wrote: I'd have called them Ironing Maiden... B On 7 Sep 2013, at 18:01, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: The mind boggles. On 9/7/2013 6:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, Here you'll find a gallery of pics shot by me at a beer festival. It's a concert of an Iron Maiden all-female cover band: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dariobon/sets/72157634971184073/with/9459198007/ I like those pics, and so the band (as they made wide and smart use of them in their fb accounts). I hope some of you will like too. Dario -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Thanks! M aka D :-) In a message dated 9/8/2013 9:13:56 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gsi...@gmail.com writes: Here's a link to a short video on Photofocus with an overview of the differences between DSLRs and m4/3 cameras. It includes a link to a free 10-day trial on lynda.com so you can watch the entire class. I haven't seen the whole class so I can't vouch for it. The overview was mildly interesting and short. http://photofocus.com/2013/09/07/how-are-micro-four-thirds-cameras-differen t-from-dslrs/ gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:36 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, I've narrowed down my choices to: Canon T4 or T5 (in case I decide NOT to switch -- remotely possible), Pentax K-r, Fujfilm X-Pro1, and Panasonic GX7. (Hope all those letters and numbers are right, but you get the idea). As you can see, I am all over the place. The one similarlity is they all have good reviews and photo enthusiasts really like them. Godfrey has told me of a couple of local places where I might hold cameras, and/or rent. So next month I will start checking them out. THANKS everyone for the input!!! Carry on with your regularly scheduled programming, Marnie aka Doe ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Thanks, Peter, I've thought about it, and decided too heavy. While Pentax lenses, on the whole, the new ones anyway, are much lighter than Canon's, with the K-5 and a longer telephoto, I'd come out about the same weight as I am now. So it would have to be a smaller Pentax camera body than the K-5. Sometimes just a few ounces makes a huge difference. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/8/2013 9:15:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, webstertwenty...@gmail.com writes: Right now Buydig.com is selling the original K-5 NIB for $639.00 with a $15.00 coupon free shipping in the continental US and no sales tax if you reside outside New Jersey. You can find it on Amazon almost as inexpensively, if price is your issue. It is however still a relatively heavy, compared to say an Olympus OM-D. You don't lose a great deal over the latest K-5 II and it's three year old imaging system is still in the top 20 as tested by DxO mark. In fact it's tied with 6 other cameras in their scoring two of which are the K-5 II and the K-5 IIs. Yes, I know DxOMark doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a comparison. On 9/6/2013 2:15 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Second party? Third party? Not sure what to call it. I am just about to sell my Canon camera, and only have one lens left too. Mainly due to a financial crunch and needing the money. (Boy, it will be ODD not to have a camera. Had one or two since 2001.) I expect my financial situation to ease next month. So I thought, okay, time to switch systems again. I really liked the Canon lenses I ended up with: good color, sharpness, and focal lengths. I had one L glass. BUT.. the Canon system is a wide-mouthed mount, and the lenses tend to be heavy. Being female, as I get older I am losing upper body strength, and I just want something lighter. I COULD switch back to Pentax. But not the K-5, I like spending $400 or so on a camera, $600 max. Truthfully the camera body doesn't matter that much to me, they all do similar things now. Good resolution, ability to shoot video, and some low-light capability is good enough for me. Once I learn a body, I pretty much forget about it when I shoot anyway. I am much more interested in LENSES. Especially zooms, I haven't had any primes for a long time now. I will probably start with two lenses (what I usually do), and then work up from there. I've considered mirror-less, but I really need a viewfinder. I've also considered micro 3/4. I am OPEN. A great many of you now have second or third party camera systems now. Like the Sony NEX. 1. If you have a second (or third party) system what has been your experience with it? What do you like about it? Dislike about it? 2. What lenses (zooms in particular) do you like/dislike? 3. If you are a die-hard Pentax fan, and feel compelled to recommend Pentax to me, ;-), which of the smaller bodies would you suggest? Likes/dislikes? 4. What zooms would you recommend? I tried to be brief so you won't have too much to read, but it's hard. Marnie aka Doe :-) I When I thought about making a decision, I though, heck, ask on PDML and get some experienced input. Then I can find a store, go in and hold some cameras, and go from there. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, I've narrowed down my choices to: Canon T4 or T5 (in case I decide NOT to switch -- remotely possible), Pentax K-r, Fujfilm X-Pro1, and Panasonic GX7. (Hope all those letters and numbers are right, but you get the idea). As you can see, I am all over the place. The one similarlity is they all have good reviews and photo enthusiasts really like them. Given your point about low-light photography, you should really consider a newer-generation Pentax. If you're willing to spend the money for a GX7, you can certainly afford a used K-5 or K-30 (or get a K-50 for something slightly smaller/lighter than the K-5 if you want something new). Any reason you're not considering the OM-D E-M5? It's about the same size as the GX7 and you can probably get one used (keh.com just had a price drop, probably due to the GX7). You didn't mention weather-sealing as a priority; of these, I believe only the K-30/K-50/K-5 and the E-M5 have weather sealing (and m4/3 has a limited selection of weather-sealed lenses). -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
Hello again, Bob, PJ, and Marnie. Walt, I think I remember you. Unless that was another Walt . . .(?) Nice to know some things don't change (much). My hiatus was filled with all kinds of things, even some photography now and then. I've picked up other obsessions in the meantime...I'll do a separate post on that note :-) Good to know Cotters hasn't lunched on his chapeau. Does he still use that old eos-1d? -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:30 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: All the old, bad pennies are showing up. I returned this week, after a month or two of absence, and I returned this year after a year or two or three of being gone most of the time. (Pop in and say hi, and pop out again for a long while.) And Bruce Dayton came back this week after a year or two of absence. And now you. I am kind of wondering who is next. Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 9/8/2013 8:57:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, bpmac...@gmail.com writes: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Snow Geese
I don't know. It might have been a Bald Eagle flying over. I saw that happen several times earlier in the day. I also saw two red shoulder hawks squabbling over a snow goose carcase that one or the other must have brought down. That was over near the feeding grounds. This is just part of one of several great flocks(?) that exploded up from the pond simultaneously; just a tiny bit of what was visible in one direction. At the same time I took this, there was another great flock overhead and a third passing behind me. Within another 15 minutes, they'd all returned and settled in again and by then the light was completely gone. When I got there in January, it was the coldest day of the winter, record setting low temperatures overnight this was one of two ponds that wasn't completely frozen over. The park volunteers told me the geese the Sandhill Cranes usually spread out to several other ponds, but with the other ponds iced over they were all concentrated in the two big ponds for a few days. This is the best slice out of one frame, sort of what you could do with the PZ-1p. Except that PZ-1p always gave you the center of the frame, and this is from the bottom third. On 9/7/2013 1:47 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Wow! That's a great shot, John. Did someone pop a paper bag to startle them? :-) On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:38 PM, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: Panorama cropped from a single frame. K10D, Tokina AT-X Pro 287 @ 70mm, f/8, 1/800sec, ISO 800 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/9690539472/lightbox/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. The point is that m4/3 8mm is 16mm/e. Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) shrug Some people regularly claim that they want FF over APS-C due to wide-angle versus crop-factor -- given that Marnie didn't even know that m4/3 has 2x crop factor compared with APS-C's 1.5x, I think it was entirely reasonable to mention the wide-angle issue. I certainly don't think it'll play a significant role in her decision given her telephoto preference (or if it does, it'll have a reverse significance). Side note: most of my shooting is also telephoto (except for macro), so I'm definitely not grinding any axe favoring wide-angle and I consider the m4/3 crop factor a plus myself because it makes for lighter and smaller telephoto lenses. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM, bpmacrae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Good to know Cotters hasn't lunched on his chapeau. Does he still use that old eos-1d? No, he has a new pin hole camera now. Dave Brooks -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso red dragonfly
Nor have i. They just arrived and flying all over the yard now. This was just a grab shot, i'lll see if i can get closer Dave On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:45 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Like to see him even closer. Never seen those before. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/7/2013 11:35:08 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pentko...@gmail.com writes: About 2 weeks ago my yard has seen 100's of these guys flying around. http://www.flickr.com/photos/djbrooks/9695875632/ Not sure what kind it is. Mark C. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Yes? Can I help you?
http://jacelio.com/special/IMGP0122.jpg This dude was hanging out by my front door this morning. I don't think I've ever gotten a direct stare from a mantis like this before, so I thought I'd share. John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Danced out.
Fun picture! Every so often, I take something similar at various dance events. In my opinion, those shoes are rather (if not very) uncomfortable for dancing. Igor On Sep 7, 2013, at 8:48 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwentysix at gmail.com wrote: I went to a wedding today, someone's must have hurt about half way through the reception. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20dancedout.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax M 85mm f2.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have a Pentax 17mm fisheye, and an old 12mm semi circular, (on film), fisheye made by Sigma in the early 60's. I don't have any examples currently, (and don't even have my film scanner attached to my current machine), but the 12mm on APS-C digital actually seemed to cover more than the 17mm did on film even though the 12mm was 18mm/e. I'm pretty sure that comparing fisheye lenses, AOV, by focal length is a fools errand. On 9/8/2013 12:53 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. The point is that m4/3 8mm is 16mm/e. Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) shrug Some people regularly claim that they want FF over APS-C due to wide-angle versus crop-factor -- given that Marnie didn't even know that m4/3 has 2x crop factor compared with APS-C's 1.5x, I think it was entirely reasonable to mention the wide-angle issue. I certainly don't think it'll play a significant role in her decision given her telephoto preference (or if it does, it'll have a reverse significance). Side note: most of my shooting is also telephoto (except for macro), so I'm definitely not grinding any axe favoring wide-angle and I consider the m4/3 crop factor a plus myself because it makes for lighter and smaller telephoto lenses. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
On 9/8/2013 12:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote: On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:50 PM, bpmacrae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Good to know Cotters hasn't lunched on his chapeau. Does he still use that old eos-1d? No, he has a new pin hole camera now. You mean that was a pin hole camera, damn I must have misheard something... Nevermind. Dave Brooks -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Sold the 85mm f1.4 for this?
A big part of the reason I've been away is restoring this thing. Paid for with funds from selling my Pentax-A* 85mm 1.4. http://www.primelensphotography.com/1967_Sprite/large-1.html Good trade? -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: The point is that m4/3 8mm is 16mm/e. It provides a 180° field of view across the format diagonal, same as the corresponding full-frame fisheye for an APS-C camera. The reason for the difference in effective focal length is the difference in format proportions. Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) shrug Some people regularly claim that they want FF over APS-C due to wide-angle versus crop-factor -- That's because most people saying that are using lenses and FoV notions derivative of 35mm cameras. They had a Pentax film camera, they have a 16mm lens, and they want the same field of view. That's the basis of the Full-Frame insanity. FourThirds format lenses were designed from the ground up for FourThirds format cameras. It is a complete system, with a different format proportion and sizing basis. The lens system covers the entire range of useful focal lengths and lens types from fisheye, ultra-wide rectilinear, up to 600mm telephoto. You don't have to know anything about 35mm equivalent field of view or crop factors to use Micro-FourThirds and FourThirds equipment ... They are irrelevant to the system, which is not derivative of anything from 35mm film cameras. That's why I never mentioned crop factor to Marnie. It's simply not even remotely relevant unless you want to adapt a 35mm camera lens to a FourThirds format camera. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Godfrey - If my memory is working, m4/3 has an aspect ratio of 4:3, aps-c is 3:2. Is that correct? gs George Sinos www.GeorgesPhotos.net www.GeorgeSinos.com On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: The point is that m4/3 8mm is 16mm/e. It provides a 180° field of view across the format diagonal, same as the corresponding full-frame fisheye for an APS-C camera. The reason for the difference in effective focal length is the difference in format proportions. Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) shrug Some people regularly claim that they want FF over APS-C due to wide-angle versus crop-factor -- That's because most people saying that are using lenses and FoV notions derivative of 35mm cameras. They had a Pentax film camera, they have a 16mm lens, and they want the same field of view. That's the basis of the Full-Frame insanity. FourThirds format lenses were designed from the ground up for FourThirds format cameras. It is a complete system, with a different format proportion and sizing basis. The lens system covers the entire range of useful focal lengths and lens types from fisheye, ultra-wide rectilinear, up to 600mm telephoto. You don't have to know anything about 35mm equivalent field of view or crop factors to use Micro-FourThirds and FourThirds equipment ... They are irrelevant to the system, which is not derivative of anything from 35mm film cameras. That's why I never mentioned crop factor to Marnie. It's simply not even remotely relevant unless you want to adapt a 35mm camera lens to a FourThirds format camera. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
Fisheye for m4/3 is around 7.5mm. This is what I have: http://www.ephotozine.com/article/samyang-7-5mm-f-3-5-umc-fisheye-lens-review-19847 Dario -Messaggio originale- From: P.J. Alling Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have a Pentax 17mm fisheye, and an old 12mm semi circular, (on film), fisheye made by Sigma in the early 60's. I don't have any examples currently, (and don't even have my film scanner attached to my current machine), but the 12mm on APS-C digital actually seemed to cover more than the 17mm did on film even though the 12mm was 18mm/e. I'm pretty sure that comparing fisheye lenses, AOV, by focal length is a fools errand. On 9/8/2013 12:53 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. The point is that m4/3 8mm is 16mm/e. Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) shrug Some people regularly claim that they want FF over APS-C due to wide-angle versus crop-factor -- given that Marnie didn't even know that m4/3 has 2x crop factor compared with APS-C's 1.5x, I think it was entirely reasonable to mention the wide-angle issue. I certainly don't think it'll play a significant role in her decision given her telephoto preference (or if it does, it'll have a reverse significance). Side note: most of my shooting is also telephoto (except for macro), so I'm definitely not grinding any axe favoring wide-angle and I consider the m4/3 crop factor a plus myself because it makes for lighter and smaller telephoto lenses. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. - Nessun virus nel messaggio. Controllato da AVG - www.avg.com Versione: 2013.0.3392 / Database dei virus: 3222/6647 - Data di rilascio: 08/09/2013 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: FourThirds format lenses were designed from the ground up for FourThirds format cameras. It is a complete system, with a different format proportion and sizing basis. The lens system covers the entire range of useful focal lengths and lens types from fisheye, ultra-wide rectilinear, up to 600mm telephoto. You don't have to know anything about 35mm equivalent field of view or crop factors to use Micro-FourThirds and FourThirds equipment ... They are irrelevant to the system, which is not derivative of anything from 35mm film cameras. That's why I never mentioned crop factor to Marnie. It's simply not even remotely relevant unless you want to adapt a 35mm camera lens to a FourThirds format camera. Unless I'm missing something, there is no currently-available 600mm lens for either 4/3 or m4/3, so right there you're talking about crop factor (given the 300mm lenses available). It would seem that you're making my argument for me. ;-) Given that, I think the crop factor issue is particularly important when you're comparing cameras with different sensors and trying to evaluate lens availability. I mean, you need to know that for m4/3 you want a 45mm lens for a standard portrait lens. -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/ * * * Help a hearing-impaired person: http://rule6.info/hearing.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
Welcome back. It seems that most attention within the Pentax (Ricoh) boardroom has been on corporate maneuvers but we're hoping the dust has settled and they'll start paying attention to cameras, lenses etc. real soon now. FWIW, a new (?) lens roadmap was put out there recently. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:57 AM, bpmacrae wrote: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Sold the 85mm f1.4 for this?
A big part of the reason I've been away is restoring this thing. Paid for with funds from selling my Pentax-A* 85mm 1.4. http://www.primelensphotography.com/1967_Sprite/large-1.html Good trade? -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sold the 85mm f1.4 for this?
Looks nice! But the A-85/1.4 was probably faster. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 1:14 PM, bpmacrae wrote: A big part of the reason I've been away is restoring this thing. Paid for with funds from selling my Pentax-A* 85mm 1.4. http://www.primelensphotography.com/1967_Sprite/large-1.html Good trade? -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Skunk!!!
On 9/8/2013 3:50 AM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net: On 9/7/2013 10:40 PM, Christine Nielsen wrote: Ugh. My condolences. Our dog has had the same bad luck, a few times... the hydrogen peroxide/baking soda/detergent mixture does the trick for us... though I think you are supposed to let it sit for several minutes before rinsing. Bathing a cat has its own challenges, I imagine... good luck if you have to go for round 2 Actually, giving the cat a bath wasn't so bad. I did get a lot of fur on my tongue :-) Yeah - but the fur balls are a killer... High fiber diet -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
Thanks, Stan. I saw the roadmap via a facebook pentax group :-) I tried to keep at last one foot dipped in the (pentax) pool. Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Welcome back. It seems that most attention within the Pentax (Ricoh) boardroom has been on corporate maneuvers but we're hoping the dust has settled and they'll start paying attention to cameras, lenses etc. real soon now. FWIW, a new (?) lens roadmap was put out there recently. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:57 AM, bpmacrae wrote: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sold the 85mm f1.4 for this?
MUCH faster ... Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Looks nice! But the A-85/1.4 was probably faster. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 1:14 PM, bpmacrae wrote: A big part of the reason I've been away is restoring this thing. Paid for with funds from selling my Pentax-A* 85mm 1.4. http://www.primelensphotography.com/1967_Sprite/large-1.html Good trade? -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
That's true, it's around 7.5mm. However almost all of this is pretty fuzzy. A full frame fisheye is supposed to cover 180° across the diagonal of the format. Depending on the curvature that the lens imparts that can be done with a number of different focal lengths in the same ball park can be designed to do that. Then when you get to APS-C, well, there's Canon's standard sensor size, the Sony sensors which are slightly larger, the K20D/K-7 with a sensor that's intermediate between them, and whatever Samsung is using these days. Hell, even full frame digital sensors aren't exactly the same size as the standard film gate for 35mm film cameras. So it's unlikely that a full frame fisheye will actually fit the classical definition on any format. Though it would be easiest to do for m4/3 and 4/3 system cameras since the sensor dimensions are fully specified. On 9/8/2013 1:31 PM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Fisheye for m4/3 is around 7.5mm. This is what I have: http://www.ephotozine.com/article/samyang-7-5mm-f-3-5-umc-fisheye-lens-review-19847 Dario -Messaggio originale- From: P.J. Alling Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey With rectilinear lenses doing format translations is easy. AOV is AOV, but Fisheye lenses make hash those kinds of comparisons. I have a Pentax 17mm fisheye, and an old 12mm semi circular, (on film), fisheye made by Sigma in the early 60's. I don't have any examples currently, (and don't even have my film scanner attached to my current machine), but the 12mm on APS-C digital actually seemed to cover more than the 17mm did on film even though the 12mm was 18mm/e. I'm pretty sure that comparing fisheye lenses, AOV, by focal length is a fools errand. On 9/8/2013 12:53 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: On Sun, Sep 08, 2013, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Sep 7, 2013, at 9:43 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Sure, but there's nothing like the 8mm fisheye you can get for APS-C for 12mm/e. For most purposes, you're correct that's sufficient, but people who really care about extreme wide-angle are likely to be less satisfied with m4/3. For most purposes ... Don't be ridiculous. A fish-eye lens is a specialty lens, and the ONLY wide-angle lens focal length not listed in native Micro-FourThirds mount. Perhaps that's because there's a superb fish-eye lens in FourThirds SLR mount, which work on mFT bodies with any of the four available, dedicated Panasonic and Olympus FourThirds to Micro-FourThirds mount adapters for 100% full function operation. The point is that m4/3 8mm is 16mm/e. Your comment sounds like it fits one of the categories in Ctein's most recent column on The Online Photographer: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2013/09/bad-science-vs-good-science-a-guide-for-the-layperson-part-1.html Check out the God of the Gaps category. ;-) shrug Some people regularly claim that they want FF over APS-C due to wide-angle versus crop-factor -- given that Marnie didn't even know that m4/3 has 2x crop factor compared with APS-C's 1.5x, I think it was entirely reasonable to mention the wide-angle issue. I certainly don't think it'll play a significant role in her decision given her telephoto preference (or if it does, it'll have a reverse significance). Side note: most of my shooting is also telephoto (except for macro), so I'm definitely not grinding any axe favoring wide-angle and I consider the m4/3 crop factor a plus myself because it makes for lighter and smaller telephoto lenses. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - Skunk!!!
On 9/8/2013 12:44 AM, P.J. Alling wrote: Hum, adding a neutralizer to a week acid would seem to negate any oxidation advantage from the week acid. I could see just using Peroxide then the bicarb in series, but mixing them together seems counter intuitive. From http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Removal_of_Skunk_Odor/Removing_Odor The thiols that are responsible for the odor are not water soluble, even with soap, but the baking soda catalyzes the oxidative ability of the peroxide, which oxidizes the thiols into highly water-soluble, non-foul smelling sulfonates. I have no idea if that makes sense but the mixture is widely recommended. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sep 8, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You don't have to know anything about 35mm equivalent field of view or crop factors to use Micro-FourThirds and FourThirds equipment ... They are irrelevant to the system, which is not derivative of anything from 35mm film cameras. Strictly speaking G, you are correct. Practically speaking, not so sure. I grew up thinking in 35mm format. I learned the difference between a 28mm lens, 50mm lens, 135mm lens etc. using a 35mm film camera. I am not able to unlearn that. When I used a 645 camera, I always mentally calculated the reverse crop factor: let's see, the 150mm is really like a 100mm lens on a 'normal' camera . . . When I had my brief dalliance with m4/3 I had to translate 12=24, 30=60, etc. After 8 years of APS-C usage, I still translate 16-50 = 24-75. I imagine that there were large-format photographers migrating to 35mm who spent the rest of their lives mentally calculating the 35mm crop factor relative to the lenses they knew on their 4x5 or 8x10 systems. So for me, maybe for Marnie as well, I find it quite useful when talking about the m4/3 lenses to add a parenthetical comment about the relation of m4/3 focal length X to 35mm focal length Y. stan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - Dance family ...
This shot was taken at the milonga (tango dance party) that was happening a week after the dance studio was severely flooded, so that the dance floor had to be removed (in this photo, you see the linoleum that was under the wooden dance floor): http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05345.html The note was written by the studio owner. It is was one of those photos that you take without thinking too much, and then realize what you should've done differently... Nevertheless, comments and critique are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
Welcome back! I also joined back today after being off-list for 3 years. I don't think the PDML will ever change:) -- Attila On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM, bpmacrae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Stan. I saw the roadmap via a facebook pentax group :-) I tried to keep at last one foot dipped in the (pentax) pool. Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Welcome back. It seems that most attention within the Pentax (Ricoh) boardroom has been on corporate maneuvers but we're hoping the dust has settled and they'll start paying attention to cameras, lenses etc. real soon now. FWIW, a new (?) lens roadmap was put out there recently. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:57 AM, bpmacrae wrote: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO How many DJ's ...?
... does it take to ... http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05473.html If this photo gets you puzzled, the next one explains how it was taken: http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05474.html All comments and critique are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Test
Testing new version of aqua mail... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Dance family ...
I like the idea of capturing the note and the dancers in the same photo. I would like it better with a little more space on the right. Or maybe landscape format with letters on the left and dancers on the right. -- Attila On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: This shot was taken at the milonga (tango dance party) that was happening a week after the dance studio was severely flooded, so that the dance floor had to be removed (in this photo, you see the linoleum that was under the wooden dance floor): http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05345.html The note was written by the studio owner. It is was one of those photos that you take without thinking too much, and then realize what you should've done differently... Nevertheless, comments and critique are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO How many DJ's ...?
Why are they called DJ's I don't see no disks... On 9/8/2013 2:20 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: ... does it take to ... http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05473.html If this photo gets you puzzled, the next one explains how it was taken: http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05474.html All comments and critique are welcome. Igor -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
Didn't get through at all, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope... nope... On 9/8/2013 2:23 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Testing new version of aqua mail... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: What I miss?
Welcome back, Attila! Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On September 8, 2013 9:10:34 PM Attila Boros attila.p...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome back! I also joined back today after being off-list for 3 years. I don't think the PDML will ever change:) -- Attila On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:53 PM, bpmacrae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Stan. I saw the roadmap via a facebook pentax group :-) I tried to keep at last one foot dipped in the (pentax) pool. Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Welcome back. It seems that most attention within the Pentax (Ricoh) boardroom has been on corporate maneuvers but we're hoping the dust has settled and they'll start paying attention to cameras, lenses etc. real soon now. FWIW, a new (?) lens roadmap was put out there recently. stan On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:57 AM, bpmacrae wrote: So, I've been off list for quite a while now ...two years? Who can catch me up in two sentences or less? ;-) -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Has anyone found that the DNG from the K-5II/IIs works in 10.6.8 on the Mac? Since it's native to 10.7.X and the fact that my Mac can't go there I need a work around. Was musing on an upgrade from the K-20D but I don't feel like buying a new computer, too. -Brendan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Waiting for Challengers
Nice, image. Somehow, I don't think I'd sit down for a casual chess game with that guy. On 9/5/2013 10:30 PM, knarf wrote: Even the best can't afford complacency: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/09/waiting-for-challengers.html?m=1 :-) Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Yes? Can I help you?
That's excellent. Very Dr Who-ish On 8 Sep 2013, at 17:58, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: http://jacelio.com/special/IMGP0122.jpg This dude was hanging out by my front door this morning. I don't think I've ever gotten a direct stare from a mantis like this before, so I thought I'd share. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The fun it keeps on happening
If you were running an earlier version of Windows, (the old DOS version), I'd say something was progressively trashing your interrupt table. On 9/4/2013 8:20 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 06:10:32PM -0600, steve harley wrote: on 2013-09-04 17:48 Larry Colen wrote It's a weird crash because the cursor is still active, but less and less functionality is available. It'll answer pings, but I can't ssh in. first thing i'd do is check the logs; not sure what less and less functionality you mean, but it sounds like more of an OS issue than a hardware issue; not that it should stop you from getting a new machine ;? I'd be trying to do something in chrome, then I would just get a spinnyball. But the cursor would still work, and I'd be able to click on another window, but then, I'd no longer be able to click on another window, or do anything in that window, and I'd try to run a program in the dock, and it would freeze up in the middle of popping the little pictures up, and eventually the only thing that the computer would do is move the cursor around the screen. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO - Diamond Beast
That's because women just get on with it, whereas men set up mailing lists about it and start buying irons with bigger names, preferably black because that's what pros use, and brag about the length of their cables and how far their iron can spray. Meantime their shirts are still all creased. B On 8 Sep 2013, at 17:33, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Except that young women know less about ironing then guys do. On 9/7/2013 1:03 PM, Bob W wrote: I'd have called them Ironing Maiden... B On 7 Sep 2013, at 18:01, John johnsess...@yahoo.com wrote: The mind boggles. On 9/7/2013 6:28 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Hi all, Here you'll find a gallery of pics shot by me at a beer festival. It's a concert of an Iron Maiden all-female cover band: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dariobon/sets/72157634971184073/with/9459198007/ I like those pics, and so the band (as they made wide and smart use of them in their fb accounts). I hope some of you will like too. Dario -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dog shot
Thanks! On 8 Sep 2013, at 16:18, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Great Geso. Several of these would make great shots on their own. Love the shot with the two boys looking around the table. The kid with the dogs, where his hair is almost the same color of their fur, has a lot of aw value. Also really like the one with the urn in the window, window box, and pointed tops of fence. Several others I really like, the above are just the ones that jumped out at me. Way to go, Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/7/2013 12:38:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, p...@web-options.com writes: I met up with Chris M and Lurker Ben his lovely wife today. After Chris and Ben had completed their murky dealings Chris and I pottered about for a couple of hours in the Regent's Park / Primrose Hill area, which is where pop-stars like to hang out so we felt right at home. We took some snaps at some kind of canine fete then wandered around while Chris told me about Karin's student days, which sound like a right old Carry On... http://www.web-options.com/Primrose/ A very nice day, and nice to meet new people. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The fun it keeps on happening
Comparative commodity pricing is hard. Not two long ago the silver in a US dime was worth a gallon and 1/2 of gasoline with gas at ~$4.00 a gallon. Inflation is not uniform across all products and commodities. I have not idea what the comparative values are now. However I'm sure the Federal Reserve Board isn't doing it's mandated job, since we have currency inflation. On 9/5/2013 7:03 AM, John wrote: I think it was about 1990 when John Dvorak (or one of the other PC Magazine pundits) stated that what Moore's law really meant was that the computer you want will always cost $2500, but that every 18 months or so the power of that computer is effectively doubled. As to gasoline, IF the price of gasoline had kept pace with inflation (as measured by the CPI), it would currently be just under $2.50/gallon. Inflation hasn't kept pace with the price of gasoline. On 9/5/2013 3:31 AM, Larry Colen wrote: On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 08:37:26PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: Have you inspected /var/log/system.log afterward? I'd look particularly for disk errors. That was plan A, however, it will no longer boot at all. Fortunately, a kind list member offered me one of his Friends and Family apple discounts. I'm also planning on replacing the 4G of apple memory with 16G of OWC memory. So, by the time the dust settles, I'll have a quad core 2.3GHz I7 mac mini, with 16GB of ram, a 1TB fusion drive, a 27 thunderbolt monitor, apple care for the cpu, keyboard and magic track pad for about $2100. In contrast, circa 1985, I bought a 10 MHz 286 AT clone, with a 20MB (IIRC) hard drive, and 1 MB of 0 waitstate memory, and black and white monitor for about $1700. It's funny how a mid range home/office computer has stayed at around $2,000. It looks like the display was 720x350 pixels, so I've got 12 times the resolution, before adding a second monitor. 1000 times the cpu clocks per second, not counting instruction efficiency, and supplemental processors, 16,000 times the memory, about 50,000 times the disk space, at I don't know how many times the through put. And that's not even comparing with the Osborne 1, that my father bought for about the same amount of money a few years previously. It looks like 1980-1984 gas was about $1.20/gallon, http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html So the Osborne 1 and the AT clone were about 1400 gallons of gas. The mac mini system is about 525 gallons of gas or a bit more than a third as much in terms of gas. I think it was Peter Egan that would measure the cost of cars, and parts in units of a Pizza and a pitcher of beer. I'm afraid I don't remember prices of those well enough from back then to compare. Meanwhile, when I get the chance, probably a few weeks from now, I'll pull the iMac apart, and swap in a different drive to test it. Fortunately, I didn't have much of import on the internal drive, the only thing really important was my lightroom catalog, that just last week I had copied over to my rejuvenated laptop. The raw files are elsewhere, so I only lost the edits on a couple of not terribly important sets of photos, and that's only if I don't recover the drive, so I pretty much dodged a bullet on that one. -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Dog shot
Thanks. When I was buying my house Primrose Hill was one of the areas I thought I'd buy something. Changed my mind when I saw the prices. B On 8 Sep 2013, at 15:22, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote: A nice set. I'd never seen that part of London, or at least I can't recall. It's been many years. Paul On Sep 8, 2013, at 6:19 AM, Chris Mitchell chris.mitch...@which.net wrote: Love the balloons. You caught the escapee just right! Chris On 7 September 2013 20:37, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: I met up with Chris M and Lurker Ben his lovely wife today. After Chris and Ben had completed their murky dealings Chris and I pottered about for a couple of hours in the Regent's Park / Primrose Hill area, which is where pop-stars like to hang out so we felt right at home. We took some snaps at some kind of canine fete then wandered around while Chris told me about Karin's student days, which sound like a right old Carry On... http://www.web-options.com/Primrose/ A very nice day, and nice to meet new people. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Unless I'm missing something, there is no currently-available 600mm lens for either 4/3 or m4/3, so right there you're talking about crop factor (given the 300mm lenses available). It would seem that you're making my argument for me. ;-) I was referring to the equivalent FoVs ... 14mm EFoV to 600mm EFoV ... for YOUR sake as I assume you are not familiar with FourThirds FoVs. The focal lengths are 7mm to 300mm. A normal lens is 25mm. Given that, I think the crop factor issue is particularly important when you're comparing cameras with different sensors and trying to evaluate lens availability. I mean, you need to know that for m4/3 you want a 45mm lens for a standard portrait lens. Granted, but that's one of the things that make FourThirds particularly apropos for Marnie's aim. A fast 45mm lens is a smaller and lighter than a 90mm lens. One of my favorite combinations with the E-1 is a Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 or Leica-R 90mm f/2 to net a 170-180mm EFoV with a fast aperture. My old Nikon film setup for that was a 180mm f/2.8 lens. The combination of E-1 + Summicron-R 90/2 is half the size and two-thirds the weight of the Nikon F3 + 180/2.8. A favored 70-200mm EFoV zoom lens in FourThirds is something like a 35-100mm lens. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO How many DJ's ...?
Good idea using that mirror! Instantly recognized the darn puter is acting up again expression on their face. Was it a hardware problem?:) -- Attila On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:30 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Why are they called DJ's I don't see no disks... On 9/8/2013 2:20 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: ... does it take to ... http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05473.html If this photo gets you puzzled, the next one explains how it was taken: http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05474.html All comments and critique are welcome. Igor -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO How many DJ's ...?
:-) That's why they are called DJs and not disk jockeys. And you are dialing somebody's phone by pushing buttons, aren't you? (or even buttons, if you've got a smartphone). Cheers, Igor Sun Sep 8 14:30:48 EDT 2013 P.J. Alling wrote: Why are they called DJ's I don't see no disks... On 9/8/2013 2:20 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: ... does it take to ... http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05473.html If this photo gets you puzzled, the next one explains how it was taken: http://42graphy.org/tango/abrazos-2013-05-18/_IR05474.html All comments and critique are welcome. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
Looks alright, no worries. On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:31 PM, P.J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: Didn't get through at all, nope, nope, nope, nope, nope... nope... On 9/8/2013 2:23 PM, Boris Liberman wrote: Testing new version of aqua mail... Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 1:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: You don't have to know anything about 35mm equivalent field of view or crop factors to use Micro-FourThirds and FourThirds equipment ... They are irrelevant to the system, which is not derivative of anything from 35mm film cameras. Strictly speaking G, you are correct. Practically speaking, not so sure. I grew up thinking in 35mm format. I learned the difference between a 28mm lens, 50mm lens, 135mm lens etc. using a 35mm film camera. I am not able to unlearn that. When I used a 645 camera, I always mentally calculated the reverse crop factor: let's see, the 150mm is really like a 100mm lens on a 'normal' camera . . . When I had my brief dalliance with m4/3 I had to translate 12=24, 30=60, etc. After 8 years of APS-C usage, I still translate 16-50 = 24-75. I imagine that there were large-format photographers migrating to 35mm who spent the rest of their lives mentally calculating the 35mm crop factor relative to the lenses they knew on their 4x5 or 8x10 systems. So for me, maybe for Marnie as well, I find it quite useful when talking about the m4/3 lenses to add a parenthetical comment about the relation of m4/3 focal length X to 35mm focal length Y. You're relating a focal length on a format to a known Field of View, not focal length. It's only necessary when comparing equipment based on different capture formats. I only talk in EFoV when I'm talking with people unfamiliar with FourThirds format. Personally, I've never been hooked into thinking focal length equal to a FoV for my own use. I think in terms of ultra-wide, wide, normal, portrait-tele, tele, long tele. For any different format ... and I continue to shoot with several film and digital formats, I just grab a normal, wide, or tele lens relative to the format. Hasselblad ... normal is the Planar 80, wide is the Biogon 38, tele is the Sonnar 150. (6x6cm format) FourThirds ... normal is the ZD 25, portrait is the ZD 35 Macro, wide is the ZD 11-22. (13x17.3mm format) Leica M9 ... Normal is the Nokton 50, wide is the Ultron 28, tele is the M-Rokkor 90. (24x36mm format) Robot ... wide is the Schneider 30, normal is the Zeiss 40, I don't have a tele. (23x23mm format) It makes things easy: I have a few specific lenses and I know which of them is wide, normal, or tele on what camera. I don't bother with thinking numerical equivalents at all. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Which second party camera system do you like? Mini-survey
As Aahz Maruch said, why not OM-D E-M5? I _almost_ bought one a few days ago (budget problems... don't ask). On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: Unless I'm missing something, there is no currently-available 600mm lens for either 4/3 or m4/3, so right there you're talking about crop factor (given the 300mm lenses available). It would seem that you're making my argument for me. ;-) I was referring to the equivalent FoVs ... 14mm EFoV to 600mm EFoV ... for YOUR sake as I assume you are not familiar with FourThirds FoVs. The focal lengths are 7mm to 300mm. A normal lens is 25mm. Given that, I think the crop factor issue is particularly important when you're comparing cameras with different sensors and trying to evaluate lens availability. I mean, you need to know that for m4/3 you want a 45mm lens for a standard portrait lens. Granted, but that's one of the things that make FourThirds particularly apropos for Marnie's aim. A fast 45mm lens is a smaller and lighter than a 90mm lens. One of my favorite combinations with the E-1 is a Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 or Leica-R 90mm f/2 to net a 170-180mm EFoV with a fast aperture. My old Nikon film setup for that was a 180mm f/2.8 lens. The combination of E-1 + Summicron-R 90/2 is half the size and two-thirds the weight of the Nikon F3 + 180/2.8. A favored 70-200mm EFoV zoom lens in FourThirds is something like a 35-100mm lens. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone found that the DNG from the K-5II/IIs works in 10.6.8 on the Mac? Since it's native to 10.7.X and the fact that my Mac can't go there I need a work around. Was musing on an upgrade from the K-20D but I don't feel like buying a new computer, too. Not exactly sure what you mean. The operating system version isn't generally relevant to image file formats. The DNG format has been supported on OS X since Adobe released the version of Camera Raw that processed it around 2004. You wouldn't need a new computer. You'd need appropriate software that handles the format. DNG is particularly versatile as even the latest cameras producing DNG format files can be processed by software written some time ago, in most cases. Can you articulate a little more specifically what potential incompatibility you are thinking about? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Yes? Can I help you?
Cool. Mantis' are simple creatures, with simple thoughts. His most probable thought... Hum, Too big to eat. On 9/8/2013 12:58 PM, John Celio wrote: http://jacelio.com/special/IMGP0122.jpg This dude was hanging out by my front door this morning. I don't think I've ever gotten a direct stare from a mantis like this before, so I thought I'd share. John Celio -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: The fun it keeps on happening
Other than laptops, I've never actually bought a computer. I've always just bought parts made my own. The laptops I bought have almost invariably turned out to be a disappointment, but I've never found a good source for components so I could build them as well. On 9/7/2013 4:26 PM, John Francis wrote: well, you'd know a bit about that Gateway 486-DX2/66V I had, wouldn't you? (for those who don't know, Marnie got some more use out of that system when I retired it, although I hung on to the flatbed scanner and the big old laser printer for a few more years) The system that replaced it - my last desktop system - cost around $1300. Nowadays you can get a pretty good setup for perhaps $700 to $900 or so; while you can get cheaper systems, you're often giving up a bit too much. On Sat, Sep 07, 2013 at 05:26:23AM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Wow. I knew it was better and better all the time (and cheaper too, I can get a really computer for well below $2,000), but didn't know that about the Cray-1. Fascinating. Thanks, Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/5/2013 9:25:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jo...@panix.com writes: Since that time, though, the price of each successive system has come down, while the amount of power has continued to climb. I'm not sure of the exact ratio, but just a single-threaded application on my notebook PC (a quad-core I7 system roughly comparable to a MacBook pro) delivers an order of magnitude more computation than a Cray-1 supercomputer. An application such as PhotoShop that can use all the power of the PC is better than two orders of magnitude faster than the Cray, while the amount of memory and storage has grown even faster than that! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Burning Off the Morning Fog
I'd like to see just a bit more detail revealed around that stump or whatever it is in the lower left. On 9/7/2013 3:39 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote: Thanks, Marnie. I had the same reservations when I was setting up the shot. It was kind of a choice between centering the shot, or losing the effect of the fog because of the angle of the light. I made a bit of a compromise with this shot, though I'm still not sure whether I like it better or not: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9688618398/#large -- Walt On 9/7/2013 4:22 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: I'd like it better if it wasn't centered quite so much. HTH, Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 9/6/2013 9:10:20 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ldott...@gmail.com writes: This was the sight I woke up to this morning while house-sitting for a friend who's out on a trip to Jackson Hole, Wyoming for a couple of weeks. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/walt_gilbert/9688270756/#large K-5, F 50/1.7, 1/80 sec., ISO 100, f/6.3 Comments and suggestions always welcome. Thanks! -- Walt -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: K-5II/IIs and OSX 10.6.8
Hi Godfrey, I'm just confused since I see that Apple updated its camera raw compatibility under Lion (update 4.04) for the K-5II. I like the fact that OSX handles DNG across the entire operating system (like hitting the spacebar to preview images, including DNG files). Is the DNG from the newer bodies still compatible with 10.6.8 this way? Has the DNG format changed in the new bodies? Since I've been using Aperture 2 for RAW processing (and can't upgrade) I'm hoping for backward compatibility. -Brendan Photography's greatest handicap is the ease with which the medium as such can be learned. As a result, too many budding neophytes learn to speak the language too long before they have anything to say. - Will Connell On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: On Sep 8, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Brendan MacRae bpmac...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone found that the DNG from the K-5II/IIs works in 10.6.8 on the Mac? Since it's native to 10.7.X and the fact that my Mac can't go there I need a work around. Was musing on an upgrade from the K-20D but I don't feel like buying a new computer, too. Not exactly sure what you mean. The operating system version isn't generally relevant to image file formats. The DNG format has been supported on OS X since Adobe released the version of Camera Raw that processed it around 2004. You wouldn't need a new computer. You'd need appropriate software that handles the format. DNG is particularly versatile as even the latest cameras producing DNG format files can be processed by software written some time ago, in most cases. Can you articulate a little more specifically what potential incompatibility you are thinking about? G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Yes? Can I help you?
Nice capture. You caught a great expression on its face, and it really pops out of the white background. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:58 PM, John Celio neo.venator.com+p...@gmail.com wrote: http://jacelio.com/special/IMGP0122.jpg This dude was hanging out by my front door this morning. I don't think I've ever gotten a direct stare from a mantis like this before, so I thought I'd share. John Celio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
