Re: Heartbleed
My server is fine as well. Glad I had been procrastinating with an upgrade, now I have an excuse to wait a bit longer :D Cheers, Dave On Apr 9, 2014, at 3:20 am, Tim Bray wrote: > Yeah, you’re right; e.g. my own tbray.org server is fine because it’s > been up for 1080 days and has openssl 0.9.8. My estimation of NSA’s > cleverness is a little lower than yours, I bet it was a surprise to > them too. Someone should ask Snowden ;) > > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: >> >> Tim, >> >> Thanks a lot for the heads-up. >> Apparently, I saw it here before I saw it through the "proper" channels. >> >> Strictly speaking it is not a "zero-day", as it was introduced in the >> version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable. >> (I haven't seen any discussion of this yet, but I wouldn't be too >> surprised if the NSA had known about this bug way before the disclosure.) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Igor >> >> >> On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: >>> In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and >>> haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste >>> and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider >>> replacing your certs, stat. >>> >>> I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day. >>> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Switched from jdavisf8 at yahoo.com to jdavisf8 at comcast.net
Tue Apr 8 21:05:38 EDT 2014 John Sessoms wrote: > On 4/8/2014 4:53 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > > My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did > > actually see a post of mine. Is she the only one? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jack > > > > > > I saw the previous post that Ann replied to in my RoadRunner email. It > did not show up in my Yahoo email. > > Your current post that I am replying to here also showed up in > RoadRunner, but not in Yahoo. Most likely his posts (from Yahoo account) end up in the SPAM box of your Yahoo account -- due to the changes we just discussed in another thread. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Looks like this has hit the mainstream news and is a pretty big deal. We heard it here first - thanks Tim! My own website has some sort of SSL cert but I don't use it... I'm more worried about my bank's website! Mark On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and haven’t visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste and find out what version of OpenSSL you’re running and consider replacing your certs, stat. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more damaging zero-day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - hardware
I like this better than the first one, although I'm not sure why. Maybe it's that backlit hair. Don't think I've ever seen so much leather, tatoos and piercings gathered in one place as the Bazaar... Cheers, frank On 8 April, 2014 9:14:57 PM EDT, Bruce Walker wrote: >Another shot of the amazing Miss E ... > >http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13728053545/ > >Seen at The Bazaar of the Bizarre in the Queen West area of Toronto, >March 30th. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Miss E
Judy and I often go to that but for various reasons we didn't go last weekend. Judy likes the crafts and I like the personalities although I rarely take pics. Despite the technical shortcomings I like this one. She certainly is representative of the crowd there. Fun shot! Cheers, frank On 6 April, 2014 9:58:06 PM EDT, Bruce Walker wrote: >I encountered this young lady at a local artisans event called Bazaar >of the Bizarre, catering to fans of the dark, goth, horror genres, and >many other quirky and fun people. > >http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13681813295/ > >It's not a great shot, but the subject is so interesting I figured I'd >share it anyway. Miss E's outfit is handmade by herself, including >some 300 rivets that she hand punched. She also designed and created >the outfit on the mannequin to her left, so she has a soft, frilly >side too. :-) > >What the shot doesn't show is her knee-high boots with 4 inch heels. >She is a six foot Amazon, so adding her heels and mohawk in we have a >girl towering 7 feet over us. There was quite the buzz around her >booth. > > >It just wasn't my day photographically at all. I had preadjusted my >K-3 to TAv, F4 and 1/60th sec shortly after leaving my car, but >somehow the edials got bumped before I arrived and like a complete >newb I completely failed to notice this. Argh!! Every shot I took >while at this event was at 1/13th sec, F2.8. As you will imagine I got >a lot of complete duds. On top of that there was a mix of ceiling >strip fluorescents and bare windows in some rooms only. > >Somehow this shot was one of a few that came out okay despite the >terrible configuration, backgrounds and light. It was just another >live and (hopefully) learn experience. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - Superhero
Ha! Love your sense of humour, Marco, and it shows well here. Wonderful photo! Cheers, frank On 7 April, 2014 2:21:17 AM EDT, Marco Alpert wrote: >http://www.alpert.com/marco/photo14/peso7.html > >Comments, as always, welcomed. > >-Marco > >--- >http://www.alpert.com/marco “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Breezy Spring
I can't find the original e-mail but Jack, I love this! Such colours! The embodiment of spring. Thanks for posting it. Cheers, frank On 8 April, 2014 1:07:20 AM EDT, David Mann wrote: >I really like that. > >Cheers, >Dave > >FWIW I just pulled about 20 threads out of my Gmail spam folder and I >think this was one of them. > >On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:52 am, Jack Davis wrote: > >> >> >> Found on a local back road. >> >> K-5, DA16-45 >> >> Comments appreciated >> >> http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=758 >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
There are two things going on here. I don't know exactly how they are related. But I know that they are. 1. Something in Yahoo's new DMARC policy is breaking email sent from mailing lists. It apparently affects *all* mailing lists, not just PDML. For Gmail users it shows up as a tag of some kind that causes Gmail to push the messages into the user's SPAM folder. For YAHOO USERS, the messages from PDML go straight into the bit bucket. It doesn't go into the SPAM folder; it doesn't get a bounce message (as far as I can tell) ... it just disappears. But, I'm not even getting that far. 2. I have a separate problem with Yahoo. I pay for Yahoo Mail Plus so that I can use Thunderbird with Yahoo's POP & SMTP servers and not have to log into WebMail. I *HATE* WebMail. For the last several days whenever I try to send email from my Yahoo account using Thunderbird, I get an error message from Thunderbird: Login Failed Login to server smtp.mail.yahoo.com failed [Retry] [Enter New Password] [Cancel] If I click [Retry] or [Enter New Password] and enter my Yahoo password it will restart the timer and after the timeout it will return to "Login Failed" again. If I select [Cancel] it just sits there churning endlessly waiting for the SMTP server. After much digging I found an 800 number for Yahoo "customer care". Remember I *PAY* for Yahoo Mail Plus. When I called the 800 number I got a voice response unit that directed me to a certain web address, where I'm supposed to click a link to send them an email. When I clicked the link, it displayed a message directing me to call the 800 number. It's starting to PISS ME OFF! On 4/8/2014 8:26 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: Here's another article discussing this Yahoo change. It suggests that there's a fix that email list operators may be able to implement fairly easily, depending on the list software in use of course. http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html I have no idea if Doug can do anything about the PDML list though. (It runs on GNU Mailman) On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Matthew Hunt : On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Just in case: If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers OTHER than those from Yahoo. (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem without you having to really make any change." ) The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail and certain other providers. John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo "From" address) to my Gmail account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with John's Yahoo "From" address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam. Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively on mailing lists anymore. So, what on earth is Yahoo's justification for this? Some sort of security issue? To the uninformed masses (me included), it just seems nuts. It's a misguided (and misfiring) attempt by Yahoo to cut down on spam. Yes, it's nuts. They don't call 'em Yahoo! for nothing. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247512/Yahoo_email_anti_spoofing_policy_breaks_mailing_lists Anyone sending mail from a Yahoo account to the PDML should go get another email account, not on Yahoo, and use that for PDML mail. Until Yahoo smartens up, or forever, whichever is shorter. The other fix is for _everyone_ to install an email filter that exempts all PDML mail from spam filtering. Unhappily, that is doomed as lots of folks don't know how and filters can have annoying side-effects (like in Gmail). -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: PESO - hardware
I like the asymmetry of the hair, face and outfit. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bruce Walker Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 9:15 PM To: Pentax Discuss Mailing List Subject: PESO - hardware Another shot of the amazing Miss E ... http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13728053545/ Seen at The Bazaar of the Bizarre in the Queen West area of Toronto, March 30th. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
My problem with Yahoo's smtp server is separate from the other problem. But it does keep me from being able to test how the other problem might affect me. The combination of the two problems, along with Yahoo's lackadaisical contempt for PAYING customers who need support is a crock of shit. I absolutely will be canceling Yahoo as soon as I decide on a new email service. On 4/8/2014 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: John, Just in case: If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers OTHER than those from Yahoo. (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem without you having to really make any change." ) Igor Mon Apr 7 17:55:28 EDT 2014 John Sessoms wrote: On 4/7/2014 5:30 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: This problem is affecting most of my mailing lists, and it appears to be due to a deliberate change by Yahoo: https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/brief-dmarc-primer/ https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/example-bounces-due-yahoo-preject/ "Endusers can do a couple things . For one-to-one mail make sure you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem without you having to really make any change. For email to mailing lists you'll need to switch to an email address at another domain for that mailing list." As I understand it: Yahoo is telling recipient email services not to accept mail from Yahoo email addresses that doesn't come from Yahoo's servers. Since email on this mailing list, or other mailing lists, comes from non-Yahoo servers, Gmail and other recipients reject the mail, or mark it as spam, in accordance with Yahoo's request. That tears it. The only reason I have a paid Yahoo account is so I can use Yahoo's smtp server for PDML. Now Yahoo is telling the other providers not to accept PDML mailings posted from my Yahoo account? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
PESO - hardware
Another shot of the amazing Miss E ... http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/13728053545/ Seen at The Bazaar of the Bizarre in the Queen West area of Toronto, March 30th. -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net
On 4/8/2014 4:53 PM, Jack Davis wrote: My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually see a post of mine. Is she the only one? Thanks, Jack I saw the previous post that Ann replied to in my RoadRunner email. It did not show up in my Yahoo email. Your current post that I am replying to here also showed up in RoadRunner, but not in Yahoo. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
Tue Apr 8 19:16:34 EDT 2014 Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > > Just in case: > > If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from > > your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change > > described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. > > > > It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers > > OTHER than those from Yahoo. > > > > (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: > > "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're > > using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem > > without you having to really make any change." ) > > The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the > PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail > and certain other providers. > > John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail > server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo "From" address) to my Gmail > account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with > John's Yahoo "From" address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP > server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by > Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam. > > Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively > on mailing lists anymore. > Yep, you are right. Mea culpa! I forgot that Doug's list software doesn't rewrite the headers. (I am subcribed to the Digest version and, most of the time, I read the messages via the web-interface.) Presumably, if Doug upgrades Mailman from version 2.1.15 to 2.1.16, he would be able to configure it so that the messages would appear as coming from the list, not from the original author. I don't know, however, if that is the desired behavior, as it may break filters (will require to reconfigure them) for some people. But I should mention that I understand the reason why Yahoo made that change: the spam e-mails pretending being from Yahoo accounts have been a huge problem recently. The problem stems from the design of the e-mail system: it was done more than 30 years ago (RFC 822), in and for a very different environment. And that is the reason why it is prone to spam and other problems that pop-up like the one with Yahoo. The solution to all this mess is to overhaul the entire e-mail system how it is designed, and to create a totally new paradigm of messaging. How? If I knew, I would've been the next [Bill Gates, Sergey Brin, ...]. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
Here's another article discussing this Yahoo change. It suggests that there's a fix that email list operators may be able to implement fairly easily, depending on the list software in use of course. http://www.spamresource.com/2014/04/up-in-arms-about-yahoos-dmarc-policy.html I have no idea if Doug can do anything about the PDML list though. (It runs on GNU Mailman) On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Bruce Walker wrote: > On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Brian Walters > wrote: >> Quoting Matthew Hunt : >> >>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: >>> Just in case: If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers OTHER than those from Yahoo. (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem without you having to really make any change." ) >>> >>> >>> The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the >>> PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail >>> and certain other providers. >>> >>> John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail >>> server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo "From" address) to my Gmail >>> account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with >>> John's Yahoo "From" address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP >>> server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by >>> Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam. >>> >>> Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively >>> on mailing lists anymore. >> >> So, what on earth is Yahoo's justification for this? Some sort of security >> issue? >> >> To the uninformed masses (me included), it just seems nuts. > > It's a misguided (and misfiring) attempt by Yahoo to cut down on spam. > Yes, it's nuts. They don't call 'em Yahoo! for nothing. > > http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247512/Yahoo_email_anti_spoofing_policy_breaks_mailing_lists > > Anyone sending mail from a Yahoo account to the PDML should go get > another email account, not on Yahoo, and use that for PDML mail. Until > Yahoo smartens up, or forever, whichever is shorter. > > The other fix is for _everyone_ to install an email filter that > exempts all PDML mail from spam filtering. Unhappily, that is doomed > as lots of folks don't know how and filters can have annoying > side-effects (like in Gmail). > > -- > -bmw -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New PDML ID
I see your email, but GMail sticks the following warning into it: "Be careful with this message. Our systems couldn't verify that this message was really sent by yahoo.com. You might want to avoid clicking links or replying with personal information. Learn more" Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > Test > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Leaping Tiger
Thanks, Frank. My mother used to volunteer at the animal shelter in Iowa (where she lived) and in 2010 started talking about a kitten that she really loved but did not want to adopt because he would outlive her. I urged her to go ahead and adopt him and ultimately promised to take care of him if she couldn't. Her fear was sadly realized and a couple of years ago Jazz became part of the family. My mother kept insisting that he was a wuss and could not handle being outside - even though he managed to catch a kill a a starling on the 2nd floor balcony at her house. (He put the dead bird on the oven - smart cat!) Last summer we made him an indoor/outdoor cat because of too much conflict with the two older females in the house. He loves it. On 4/8/2014 7:15 AM, knarf wrote: I think it's a wonderful series. I agree with Bruce, looks like motion blur which I'm fine with. Very dynamic. The last photo, nice and sharp with those big "hunting eyes" really sets it all off beautifully. Lovely tabby, btw! Looks like lots of wild left in him. Cheers, frank On 6 April, 2014 8:40:40 PM EDT, Mark C wrote: Cat Content Caution: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9 My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70 kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be working on in the days ahead... This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) would be appreciated. Mark “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net
I am seeing this post, but GMail place it in my Spam folder. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > > > > > > > My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually > see a post of mine. Is she the only one? > > > Thanks, > > Jack > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Brian Walters wrote: > Quoting Matthew Hunt : > >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: >> >>> Just in case: >>> If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from >>> your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change >>> described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. >>> >>> It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers >>> OTHER than those from Yahoo. >>> >>> (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: >>> "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're >>> using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem >>> without you having to really make any change." ) >> >> >> The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the >> PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail >> and certain other providers. >> >> John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail >> server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo "From" address) to my Gmail >> account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with >> John's Yahoo "From" address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP >> server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by >> Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam. >> >> Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively >> on mailing lists anymore. > > So, what on earth is Yahoo's justification for this? Some sort of security > issue? > > To the uninformed masses (me included), it just seems nuts. It's a misguided (and misfiring) attempt by Yahoo to cut down on spam. Yes, it's nuts. They don't call 'em Yahoo! for nothing. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9247512/Yahoo_email_anti_spoofing_policy_breaks_mailing_lists Anyone sending mail from a Yahoo account to the PDML should go get another email account, not on Yahoo, and use that for PDML mail. Until Yahoo smartens up, or forever, whichever is shorter. The other fix is for _everyone_ to install an email filter that exempts all PDML mail from spam filtering. Unhappily, that is doomed as lots of folks don't know how and filters can have annoying side-effects (like in Gmail). -- -bmw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
Quoting Matthew Hunt : On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Just in case: If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers OTHER than those from Yahoo. (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem without you having to really make any change." ) The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail and certain other providers. John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo "From" address) to my Gmail account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with John's Yahoo "From" address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam. Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively on mailing lists anymore. So, what on earth is Yahoo's justification for this? Some sort of security issue? To the uninformed masses (me included), it just seems nuts. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 6:55 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > Just in case: > If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from > your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change > described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. > > It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers > OTHER than those from Yahoo. > > (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: > "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're > using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem > without you having to really make any change." ) The Yahoo change does affect him, in the sense that his emails to the PDML will be marked as spam for those of us who receive them on Gmail and certain other providers. John uses Yahoo's SMTP servers to send mail to the PDML. The PDML mail server sends John's mail (with a Yahoo "From" address) to my Gmail account (and everyone else on the list). Gmail sees the mail with John's Yahoo "From" address, but it didn't come from Yahoo's SMTP server--it came from the PDML mail server. Gmail, as requested by Yahoo's DMARC records, marks that message as spam. Basically, people with Yahoo addresses can't participate effectively on mailing lists anymore. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On email from Yahoo being classified as spam
John, Just in case: If you are concerned about e-mails that you are sending to PDML from your Yahoo account via Yahoo smtp servers, than the recent change described in the links posted by Matthew should not affect you. It affects only Yahoo users who are sending e-mail via smtp servers OTHER than those from Yahoo. (The second link's post explains how to fix the problem: "Endusers can do a couple things. For one-to-one mail make sure you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the problem without you having to really make any change." ) Igor Mon Apr 7 17:55:28 EDT 2014 John Sessoms wrote: On 4/7/2014 5:30 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > This problem is affecting most of my mailing lists, and it appears to > be due to a deliberate change by Yahoo: > > https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/brief-dmarc-primer/ > https://wordtothewise.com/2014/04/example-bounces-due-yahoo-preject/ > > "Endusers can do a couple things . For one-to-one mail make sure > you're using the Yahoo outgoing mail servers and that should fix the > problem without you having to really make any change. For email to > mailing lists you'll need to switch to an email address at another > domain for that mailing list." > > As I understand it: Yahoo is telling recipient email services not to > accept mail from Yahoo email addresses that doesn't come from Yahoo's > servers. Since email on this mailing list, or other mailing lists, > comes from non-Yahoo servers, Gmail and other recipients reject the > mail, or mark it as spam, in accordance with Yahoo's request. > That tears it. The only reason I have a paid Yahoo account is so I can use Yahoo's smtp server for PDML. Now Yahoo is telling the other providers not to accept PDML mailings posted from my Yahoo account? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New PDML ID
Quoting Jack Davis : Test Well, I can see it but it's still coming from the yahoo address - so I suspect others wont. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Quoting John Sessoms : That does bring up some interesting questions: 2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever happened to that? It's still around and still being developed. The Wine Applications database suggests that some recent versions of Photoshop (CS, CS2, CS3, CS6) work reasonably well under Linux via Wine. The database indicates that Version 6, which I was trying to run, has major issues - as do CS4 and CS6. A problem with these ratings, though, is that they depend a lot on the hardware configurations of the PCs used to make the assessments. So, just because the Wine database indicates good compatibility for (say) CS3, it doesn't mean that CS3 will work satisfactorily on my machine. -- Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Switched from jdavisf8 at yahoo.com to jdavisf8 at comcast.net
Jack, 1. You can see your posts via the web: http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2014-April/ or http://www.mail-archive.com/pdml@pdml.net/ 2. The "From" still shows your @yahoo address. Igor Tue Apr 8 16:53:12 EDT 2014 Jack Davis wrote: > My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually > see a post of mine. Is she the only one? > > > Thanks, > > Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net
on 2014-04-08 14:53 Jack Davis wrote My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? this message is coming from a Yahoo address and via Yahoo's servers - have you posted from that Comcast account? note that you have to subscribe that address to the list for before the messages from it will post -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jack Davis wrote: > My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually > see a post of mine. Is she the only one? This post, and the one that Ann responded to, are still "From" your Yahoo address, and Gmail is marking them as spam. (I wrote a filter rule to stop PDML traffic from going to the spam folder, but it still shows a yellow warning banner.) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net
still seeing you as spam -p On 4/8/2014 3:53 PM, Jack Davis wrote: My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually see a post of mine. Is she the only one? Thanks, Jack -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Switched from jdavi...@yahoo.com to jdavi...@comcast.net
My posts are STILL not showing on either account.?? However, Ann did actually see a post of mine. Is she the only one? Thanks, Jack -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The King of Parkdale
On 8 Apr 2014, at 21:29, "Attila Boros" wrote: > > He's got some professional equipment and a charismatic beard. That makes him an official religion, with charity status. > The B&W > conversion looks very nice on my monitor. > > >> On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:42 AM, knarf wrote: >> And we're back... >> >> This night shift is making it difficult to post and spend time on the list, >> especially since I've been biking these past several weeks. My bus rides >> tended to be my list time. >> >> Also I've been in a real photographic dry spell of late. Basically nothing >> since the Ice Race in late February. >> >> Well, this weekend finally got a few shots. Here's Toronto bike messenger >> Andrew and his trackbike: >> >> http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-king-of-parkdale.html?m=1 >> >> Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. >> >> Cheers, >> frank >> >> >> "Analysis kills spontaneity." -- Henri-Frederic Amiel >> >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Probably because there is no money to be made? The FOSS crowd would want the source in public domain, free support and have a say in the future development. And then for multi varieties of Linux to boot. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of John Sessoms Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 12:51 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing That does bring up some interesting questions: 1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom & Photoshop for Linux? 2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever happened to that? 3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't there some kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run the Mac versions of Photoshop/Lightroom? PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone. On 4/8/2014 9:48 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with > computers. But if you’re a photographer, an operating system that > won’t run the best image processing software sucks dead dog dick. > > Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson > wrote: > >> Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu. >> Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from >> a disk before you install. Unless there are specific Windows-only >> apps that you need, just about everything you want can be run as an >> equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new >> versions. Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by >> default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app. >> Plenty of other apps in the repositories. >> >> As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources >> to run. It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from >> "press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might >> be ready by then" (really) to about 40 seconds. >> >> On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele wrote: >>> I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support >>> will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death >>> at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another >>> way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and >>> spam-blocker, that is. >>> >>> Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want >>> to give up XP... >>> >>> ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Bob W-PDML wrote: >Should have gone with http://www.houyhnhnm.com. Seems obvious really. Their original choice, I'll admit, was none too swift. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:
I wondered about that. Also, I don't believe the post ever appeared on my copy of the list, but really not sure.?? What browser are you using? Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Re: But maybe I'm the only one ann On 4/8/2014 14:35, Jack Davis wrote: > Great! Bless your heart!! > I changed to comcast.net to avoid further PDML posts going into SPAM. > What a 24 hrs chasing the problem. WOW > > Jack > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: Ann Sanfedele > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: > > I can see you > > > On 4/8/2014 13:31, Jack Davis wrote: >> test >> >> > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The King of Parkdale
He's got some professional equipment and a charismatic beard. The B&W conversion looks very nice on my monitor. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 5:42 AM, knarf wrote: > And we're back... > > This night shift is making it difficult to post and spend time on the list, > especially since I've been biking these past several weeks. My bus rides > tended to be my list time. > > Also I've been in a real photographic dry spell of late. Basically nothing > since the Ice Race in late February. > > Well, this weekend finally got a few shots. Here's Toronto bike messenger > Andrew and his trackbike: > > http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-king-of-parkdale.html?m=1 > > Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. > > Cheers, > frank > > > "Analysis kills spontaneity." -- Henri-Frederic Amiel > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
I do remember a few stories from after the fact where there were billing errors due to the date not rolling over correctly. Mostly (99 and 44/100%) it got fixed in time and the few instances where it did slip through were easily & quickly corrected after the fact. On 4/8/2014 3:45 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem, but it was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen out of the sky, and a lot of work went into making sure that those disruptions didn't happen, a lot of busy work was done that wasn't strictly necessary at the same time as well. On 4/7/2014 7:19 PM, Bill wrote: On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... I recall all the computers were supposed to crash once before. That turned out to be rather over blown too. Doom saying is easy. Owning Pentax hardens one to it's effects. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
on 2014-04-08 11:22 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote OS X is built around a Mach kernel and includes a FreeBSD UNIX command-line environment. Linux is built around a different kernel implementation, UNIX-like, and similarly includes a FreeBSD-like command-line environment. There the similarity ends. It's all the other stuff built on top of the kernel that would need to be supported to run OS X applications... Never mind having to fight legal battles with Apple. running Mac software on Linux is pretty much a non-starter, yeah, but it's worth noting that it's rather easy to run Linux software on a Mac; all the Linux software is open source and designed to be portable, plus there are relatively easy tools already built to install most common Linux tools and apps note that it is technically very feasible to virtualize Mac OS on Linux, however the license does not permit it (about the same level of license violation as building a hackintosh - anyone ever hear of a prosecution for installing OS X on non-Apple hardware?) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Wireless is pretty safe as long as it’s password protected and you use a password that is complex and differs from your other passwords. Been wireless for many years, no problems. Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > DOn't worry I will NEVER go wireless > thanks for the other info > > a > > On 4/8/2014 14:01, Bill wrote: >> On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: >>> So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather. >>> >>> I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed >>> >>> >> >> A hardware firewall (router), resist the temptation to go wireless if >> you can, turn off the wireless radio on the router, and tell the router >> to only allow access from your computer (this is something that needs to >> be set up in the router software itself where you specify mac addresses >> that are allowed access). >> If you have to go wireless, tell the router to not broadcast it's name >> to the world. >> >> bill >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
On 4/8/2014 2:06 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list. G It's not paranoia if they REALLY ARE out to get you. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
On 4/8/2014 1:22 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:51 AM, John Sessoms wrote: PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone. Darktable : http://www.darktable.org I have the OS X version installed. It has nowhere near the sophistication of Lightroom. It just superficially looks similar. G Didn't say it was, only that it appears to be a better Linux alternative to Lightroom than GIMP is for Photoshop. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re:
I can see your replies to Jack on my Yahoo email, but I cannot see his original messages. I can see Jack's message on my Roadrunner email, but for some reason, your last reply to Jack (this one) hasn't come through on Roadrunner yet. I think all of us who have email addresses ending in "Yahoo.com" are going to have to find a new email host for PDML. I'm still having that other problem with Yahoo where I can't send mail via their smtp server. I thought for a while it might just be a problem with replying to PDML messages, but I can't post NEW messages, nor can I send any email using Yahoo's smtp server. That's a *BIG* problem for me, because the only reason I paid for Yahoo is to be able to use smtp. Plus, there is no way to contact Yahoo to get tech support. On 4/8/2014 2:46 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: But maybe I'm the only one ann On 4/8/2014 14:35, Jack Davis wrote: Great! Bless your heart!! I changed to comcast.net to avoid further PDML posts going into SPAM. What a 24 hrs chasing the problem. WOW Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 10:55 AM Subject: Re: I can see you On 4/8/2014 13:31, Jack Davis wrote: test -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
On 8 Apr 2014, at 20:46, "P.J. Alling" wrote: > > There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem, but it > was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen out of the sky, > and a lot of work went into making sure that those disruptions didn't happen, > a lot of busy work was done that wasn't strictly necessary at the same time > as well. It was strictly necessary for my bank balance as I had a very lucrative contract ensuring that civilisation did not collapse. Had it not been for me we'd all be living like wild dogs in the street now, and the chimpanzees would be our overlords. B > >> On 4/7/2014 7:19 PM, Bill wrote: >>> On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: >>> I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support >>> will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at >>> the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, >>> B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. >>> >>> Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want >>> to give up XP... >> >> I recall all the computers were supposed to crash once before. That turned >> out to be rather over blown too. >> >> Doom saying is easy. >> Owning Pentax hardens one to it's effects. >> >> bill > > > -- > A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, > crazier. > > - H.L.Mencken > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
There could have been significant disruptions due to the Y2K problem, but it was very over hyped, I doubt that planes would have fallen out of the sky, and a lot of work went into making sure that those disruptions didn't happen, a lot of busy work was done that wasn't strictly necessary at the same time as well. On 4/7/2014 7:19 PM, Bill wrote: On 07/04/2014 5:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... I recall all the computers were supposed to crash once before. That turned out to be rather over blown too. Doom saying is easy. Owning Pentax hardens one to it's effects. bill -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Should have gone with http://www.houyhnhnm.com. Seems obvious really. B > On 8 Apr 2014, at 20:23, "Mark Roberts" wrote: > > http://www.cnet.com/news/heartbleed-bug-undoes-web-encryption-reveals-user-passwords/ > > Apparently some damage already done with the leaking of passwords. > Unsurprisingly, they're the passwords from a large Internet company > whose name rhymes with "wahoo". > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
as I mentioned to someone, the XP firewall is up and running. I actually purchased Trend because it was recommended a couple years back by Bill Owens and it has been really good..(i.e., I aint had no viri) due for an auto renewal in about 50 days. So from a bunch of you and my initial thought - I shouldn't worry too much :-) thanks for your support, troops ann On 4/8/2014 15:36, P.J. Alling wrote: WinXp has a built in Firewall from Microsoft, if you don't have it enabled Windows will carp at you to either install a different firewall or start the built in firewall. The built in firewall is pretty crappy but it's better than nothing, I guess. Trend Titatium, I don't know for sure, probably has a software firewall that was installed when you set up internet security. On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 folder. Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall? Trend Titatium does say it is "internet security" so I guess that means it isn't a hardware firewall. I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems - once it found something to quarantine. my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing phishing emails. so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall things if "firewal.cpl" isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ? Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot. ann On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote: All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you visit you will be better off. OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 400 million potential victims is hard to pass up. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 8:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall for your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only connecting a single computer) will do the trick. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New PDML ID
I think you're going to have to get a completely new email address that does _not_ come from Yahoo. This message came through on my Roadrunner feed, but not on the Yahoo one. On 4/8/2014 2:24 PM, Jack Davis wrote: Test -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
on 2014-04-07 20:52 John Coyle wrote I still have one PC running XP (SP3) and have it behind a router firewall and anti-virus protection. Only need it to maintain absolute compatibility with some older systems I've written, where clients are still running them, so I won't upgrade it unless it fails (which is more likely to happen with the hardware, which is also pretty old!) unless there is something unusual which prevents its, you might as well just pack it into a virtual machine and dump the hardware; i've been running a Windows 2000 VM for 12 years or so without its own hardware -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
WinXp has a built in Firewall from Microsoft, if you don't have it enabled Windows will carp at you to either install a different firewall or start the built in firewall. The built in firewall is pretty crappy but it's better than nothing, I guess. Trend Titatium, I don't know for sure, probably has a software firewall that was installed when you set up internet security. On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 folder. Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall? Trend Titatium does say it is "internet security" so I guess that means it isn't a hardware firewall. I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems - once it found something to quarantine. my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing phishing emails. so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall things if "firewal.cpl" isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ? Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot. ann On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote: All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you visit you will be better off. OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 400 million potential victims is hard to pass up. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 8:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall for your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only connecting a single computer) will do the trick. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The King of Parkdale
You have been missed. I like pretty much everything in the photo so you still have your chops by my reckoning. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 9 Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 22:42:54 -0400 From: knarf To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - The King of Parkdale Message-ID:<50025242-176e-4a80-aadb-b74a78fb5...@email.android.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 And we're back... This night shift is making it difficult to post and spend time on the list, especially since I've been biking these past several weeks. My bus rides tended to be my list time. Also I've been in a real photographic dry spell of late. Basically nothing since the Ice Race in late February. Well, this weekend finally got a few shots. Here's Toronto bike messenger Andrew and his trackbike: http://mondociclismo.blogspot.ca/2014/04/the-king-of-parkdale.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments welcome. Cheers, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - New Haven station
rich tones & colors cool subject. Probably could do without that little dingus on the lower right side. pdml-requ...@pdml.net wrote: Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 18:01:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Womer To: Pentax- Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - New Haven station Message-ID: <1396918868.23484.yahoomail...@web121806.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 A slice-of-life grab in the New Haven railroad station: http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=17719447&size=lg or http://gallery.photo.net/photo/17719447-lg.jpg (K-5, DA 16-45) When I was growing up in the 60's, the station was a sealed-off world of fallen plaster, leaks, and winos. One bought tickets and boarded trains through sheet-metal temporary buildings.? It is great to see the place restored. Comments? Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
I wouldn't worry too much Ann. I used Win2K, (not to be confused with WinME), for a number of years after Microsoft dropped support. It did everything I needed it to, and only upgraded to XP when I couldn't hack the OS to get a new printer to work properly, (I was able to find adequate AV and Firewall products that worked, but the printer required just too many registry modifications that had to be done by hand. The biggest issue was IE security fixes. As long as you're happy with your system and your AV and Firewall software get updated regularly, you should be fine. I do have a more or less modern laptop with Win7 and the full Microsoft development Suite installed, but for my photography and general office work, my desktop running WinXP sp3 should be fine for the foreseeable future. Heck I'm still using a Hitachi SuperScan Elite 751 CRT for image editing. I couldn't afford a flat screen with the color depth of the Hitachi. On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... ann -- A newspaper is a device for making the ignorant more ignorant, and the crazy, crazier. - H.L.Mencken -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
http://www.cnet.com/news/heartbleed-bug-undoes-web-encryption-reveals-user-passwords/ Apparently some damage already done with the leaking of passwords. Unsurprisingly, they're the passwords from a large Internet company whose name rhymes with "wahoo". -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Bob W-PDML wrote: >It's important to keep the cosmic paranoia/smugness ying-yang tiddly-i-po >thing in balance. Truer words were never spoken. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
On 4/8/2014 14:23, John Francis wrote: On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 09:25:29PM -0700, John Celio wrote: Windows XP mode only works on the Professional, Enterprise & Ultimate versions of Windows 7 - it does not work on the (cheaper) Home version. This means anyone wanting to go that route is going to require new hardware as well as a more expensive version of the operating system. Sure, it's "only a few hundred dollars", and you'll have a much better system at the end of the process. But those few hundred dollars are going to put this option beyond the reach of quite a few people. I resemble that remark... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
DOn't worry I will NEVER go wireless thanks for the other info a On 4/8/2014 14:01, Bill wrote: On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather. I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed A hardware firewall (router), resist the temptation to go wireless if you can, turn off the wireless radio on the router, and tell the router to only allow access from your computer (this is something that needs to be set up in the router software itself where you specify mac addresses that are allowed access). If you have to go wireless, tell the router to not broadcast it's name to the world. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
On Mon, Apr 07, 2014 at 09:25:29PM -0700, John Celio wrote: > Just to add my 2?: Windows XP is an incredibly old operating system by > today's standards. Yeah, Vista and Windows 8 were/are pretty awful, > but Windows 7 is great. You really don't need to fear upgrading to 7, > especially since you can install the XP virtual machine and run all > the old software you have for XP > (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7). Unfortunately, that's not a universal panacea. Windows XP mode only works on the Professional, Enterprise & Ultimate versions of Windows 7 - it does not work on the (cheaper) Home version. Not only that - it requires at least a half-way modern CPU in order to work (one with a specific hardware feature to support virtualisation). Any machine running Windows XP is pretty much guaranteed not to have what is needed; I believe my wife's Windows 7 box (which came with W7 professional) has an early enough i5 CPU chipset that it doesn't have support for the right kind of hardware virtualisation. That's somewhat ironic, because the reason we paid the extra to put W7 Pro on that box was that some of the software packages she was regularly using at that time (including Intuit QuickBooks) weren't yet certified on W7, so we wanted XP mode as a fallback strategy. Fortunately, we never needed it! This means anyone wanting to go that route is going to require new hardware as well as a more expensive version of the operating system. Sure, it's "only a few hundred dollars", and you'll have a much better system at the end of the process. But those few hundred dollars are going to put this option beyond the reach of quite a few people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
It's important to keep the cosmic paranoia/smugness ying-yang tiddly-i-po thing in balance. For every Mac user you need 1024 windows users or the entire universe will go out of whack. It's a bit like Buddhists spinning a prayer wheel to keep the earth turning. B > On 8 Apr 2014, at 19:07, "Godfrey DiGiorgi" wrote: > > Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list. > > G > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Tue Apr 8 11:20:38 EDT 2014 Tim Bray wrote: > My estimation of NSA's cleverness is a little lower than yours, ... you mean they are even more stupid than I? ;-) Cheers, Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Tue Apr 8 13:39:40 EDT 2014 steve harley > on 2014-04-08 8:51 Igor Roshchin wrote > > Strictly speaking it is not a "zero-day", as it was introduced in the > > version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable. > > it does seem to be a zero-day threat; zero-day refers to the timing of > the > announcement rather than to what versions of software are vulnerable Upon careful consideration of the multiple definitions of what "zero-day" means, I think you are correct. I had a wrong definition of the term in my mind. (I always assumed "zero day vulnerability" [not zero-day attack] is something that existed in the software undiscovered for long time, essentially since the early stages of the software) I stand corrected. Thank you, Steve. My apology, Tim! Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Gosh, there are a bunch of paranoid folks on this mailing list. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
On 08/04/2014 11:55 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather. I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed A hardware firewall (router), resist the temptation to go wireless if you can, turn off the wireless radio on the router, and tell the router to only allow access from your computer (this is something that needs to be set up in the router software itself where you specify mac addresses that are allowed access). If you have to go wireless, tell the router to not broadcast it's name to the world. bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
So therefore it is a physical thingy I need to buy I gather. I may get some neighborly help soon - fingers crossed ann On 4/8/2014 12:18, Mark Roberts wrote: Ann Sanfedele wrote: I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 folder. Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall? No. A hardware firewall is a box in between your computer and your cable/DSL modem. Typically it's a router. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
It is set to on already - very self explanatory :-) ann On 4/8/2014 12:25, John Sessoms wrote: That's the Windows Firewall that's built in to Windoze. It's better than nothing. Windows XP Click Start -> Run -> Type firewall.cpl into the Run command box Click OK Set Windows Firewall to On Click OK It's pretty self explanatory. On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 folder. Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall? Trend Titatium does say it is "internet security" so I guess that means it isn't a hardware firewall. I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems - once it found something to quarantine. my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing phishing emails. so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall things if "firewal.cpl" isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ? Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot. ann On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote: All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you visit you will be better off. OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 400 million potential victims is hard to pass up. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 8:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall for your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only connecting a single computer) will do the trick. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Leaping Tiger
Sorry to hear that, Ken. I sure hope I'm not headed that way. No sign of anything yet & I've almost circumnavigated the earth twice. I know of runners who have had hip replacements & still run -Original Message- From: Kenneth Waller Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 4:31 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger Years back, I was able to eat anything I wanted and not gain weight as long as I ran 4 to 5 miles most days. Combine that with a reduced intake and I lost weight. But all that running, even with very good shoes eventually led to both knees being replaced. -Original Message- From: IB Trading Assistan Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger I've been like that all my life too. I always seem to be eating yet stay thin. Fat-free milk may taste better but it's bad for your cholesterol level as are other saturated fats. Alan C -Original Message- From: David Mann Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:54 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger What Alan said :) I am blessed with the opposite problem. I got a shock last year when I worked out the numbers for my nutrition. I was eating plenty but it was barely enough to keep up with my requirements before any training! Considering I weigh nothing to start with I had to add a 4th daily meal to avoid wasting away. Since then I've put on about 3kg of lean weight with a little more to come from strength work in the gym. Because the carb/protein/fat balance was out of whack I was able to take great pleasure in switching back to full-fat milk. Now I'm getting hungry... Cheers, Dave On Apr 8, 2014, at 1:59 am, Alan C wrote: It is. Eat less & run more - like train for a marathon! Alan C -Original Message- From: Mark C Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 1:59 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger Thanks Ken! After just a couple of weeks mostly outdoors he's lost the weight he put on over the winter. I only wish it was so easy On 4/6/2014 11:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: any advice about how to get the eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) would be appreciated. Yeah - shoot more ! Good looking animal. Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: "Mark C" Subject: Leaping Tiger Cat Content Caution: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9 My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70 kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be working on in the days ahead... This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) would be appreciated. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
on 2014-04-08 8:51 Igor Roshchin wrote Strictly speaking it is not a "zero-day", as it was introduced in the version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable. it does seem to be a zero-day threat; zero-day refers to the timing of the announcement rather than to what versions of software are vulnerable -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
On Apr 8, 2014, at 9:51 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > That does bring up some interesting questions: > > 1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom & Photoshop for Linux? Too much development cost, not enough return on investment. Linux users hate to pay for anything. > 3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't > there some kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run > the Mac versions of Photoshop/Lightroom? OS X is built around a Mach kernel and includes a FreeBSD UNIX command-line environment. Linux is built around a different kernel implementation, UNIX-like, and similarly includes a FreeBSD-like command-line environment. There the similarity ends. It's all the other stuff built on top of the kernel that would need to be supported to run OS X applications... Never mind having to fight legal battles with Apple. > PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember > the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit > better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone. Darktable : http://www.darktable.org I have the OS X version installed. It has nowhere near the sophistication of Lightroom. It just superficially looks similar. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
DarkTable? http://www.darktable.org/ On 4/8/2014 12:51 PM, John Sessoms wrote: PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
I can't say re Adobe but I used a thumbnail program called ThumbsPlus and checked on a Linux version of that program. From their FAQ: .. One thing that is bothersome about a Linux port is that so many of the Linux users who have written have exclaimed how wonderful it is to have a free operating system and free software. We could never afford to port to Linux and give it away! The investment required is enormous when you're looking at a code base of nearly a million lines. .. full link: http://www.cerious.com/faq_pcq.shtml#PCQ_Linux Makes me wonder if the open source / free stuff ethic behind Linux is incompatible with (or perceived to be incompatible with) commercial for profit software. In the case of Thumps+ is seems to be. Mark On 4/8/2014 12:51 PM, John Sessoms wrote: That does bring up some interesting questions: 1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom & Photoshop for Linux? 2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever happened to that? 3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't there some kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run the Mac versions of Photoshop/Lightroom? PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone. On 4/8/2014 9:48 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with computers. But if you’re a photographer, an operating system that won’t run the best image processing software sucks dead dog dick. Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson wrote: Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu. Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk before you install. Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions. Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app. Plenty of other apps in the repositories. As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources to run. It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from "press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might be ready by then" (really) to about 40 seconds. On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
That does bring up some interesting questions: 1. Why won't Adobe make versions of Lightroom & Photoshop for Linux? 2. IIRC, there used to be a windoze emulator for Linux called WINE that was good enough that some earlier versions would run on it. Whatever happened to that? 3. Mac OS is based on some king of Linux/Unix under layer. Why isn't there some kind of Mac emulator for Linux that would allow you to run the Mac versions of Photoshop/Lightroom? PS: I'm pretty sure there's a Lightroom clone for Linux - can't remember the name of it off the top of my head right now - that works a bit better than Gimp does as a Photoshop clone. On 4/8/2014 9:48 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote: I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with computers. But if you’re a photographer, an operating system that won’t run the best image processing software sucks dead dog dick. Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson wrote: Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu. Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk before you install. Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions. Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app. Plenty of other apps in the repositories. As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources to run. It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from "press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might be ready by then" (really) to about 40 seconds. On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test from Philly
On 4/8/2014 9:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote: PESO post last evening didn't go through; let's see if anything got fixed overnight. Came through on RoadRunner, but not on Yahoo. I haven't been able to send from Yahoo since some time yesterday. I'm back to getting the error that says I need to enter my password for the smtp server. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
I ask about the credit cards, because I went on-line yesterday to buy repair parts for one of my lawn-care power tools & paid for the parts with a credit card. That was before I saw your original post. On 4/8/2014 11:40 AM, Tim Bray wrote: It’s potentially much, much worse than that. They include the signing keys that web sites use to make "https:" addresses work. So the bad guys can in principle pretend to be https://your-bank.com and steal not just your credit card number but everything. Note that not every bank would have been affected; weirdly enough, if you hadn’t got around to updating your crypto libraries recently, you’re OK (but some would, for sure). So what happened was, geeks everywhere worked all night last night to replace the old keys with new keys. So what we’re hoping is that no really bad bad guy noticed the problem before the good guys did and got in there and stole some keys and stole some credit card numbers and wreaked havoc, before the good guys re-locked the barn door last night. But we won’t know for a while. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM, John Sessoms wrote: Do those secrets include CREDIT CARD DATA from on-line purchases? On 4/8/2014 1:53 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Summary: A programming error allows bad guys to steal secrets on a HUGE number of websites; geeks are working late all over the internet closing the barn doors. We won’t know for a while how bad the damage has been. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Just out of curiosity for the rest of us ... WTF? On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and haven’t visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste and find out what version of OpenSSL you’re running and consider replacing your certs, stat. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more damaging zero-day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
That's the Windows Firewall that's built in to Windoze. It's better than nothing. Windows XP Click Start -> Run -> Type firewall.cpl into the Run command box Click OK Set Windows Firewall to On Click OK It's pretty self explanatory. On 4/8/2014 10:10 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 folder. Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall? Trend Titatium does say it is "internet security" so I guess that means it isn't a hardware firewall. I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems - once it found something to quarantine. my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing phishing emails. so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall things if "firewal.cpl" isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ? Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot. ann On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote: All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you visit you will be better off. OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 400 million potential victims is hard to pass up. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 8:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall for your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only connecting a single computer) will do the trick. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
The NSA ain't all that clever, but some of the contractors they hire might be. On 4/8/2014 11:20 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Yeah, you’re right; e.g. my own tbray.org server is fine because it’s been up for 1080 days and has openssl 0.9.8. My estimation of NSA’s cleverness is a little lower than yours, I bet it was a surprise to them too. Someone should ask Snowden ;) On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Tim, Thanks a lot for the heads-up. Apparently, I saw it here before I saw it through the "proper" channels. Strictly speaking it is not a "zero-day", as it was introduced in the version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable. (I haven't seen any discussion of this yet, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the NSA had known about this bug way before the disclosure.) Cheers, Igor On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider replacing your certs, stat. I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Ann Sanfedele wrote: >I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 >folder. > >Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall? No. A hardware firewall is a box in between your computer and your cable/DSL modem. Typically it's a router. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
David J Brooks wrote: >how to you know what version one has. My firefox is SSL 3 This is for web servers, Dave, not web browsers. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
how to you know what version one has. My firefox is SSL 3 Dave On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and > haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste > and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider > replacing your certs, stat. > > I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
This machine is on at least it's 3rd motherboard. I think the latest mother board is from 2007. I'm not sure how old it actually is, but at least some of the parts date back into the 20th century. It's still got the certificate of authenticity sticker for a Windoze98 Second Edition Upgrade on the shell. Looks like my options are as follows: 1. Low cost pre-assembled system with Win7. 2. Barebones system & move my hard-drives then install Win7. 3. New motherboard, CPU & enough memory to run Win7. Don't know which way I'm going to go right now. Numbers 1 & 2 are going to cost more than I want to spend; numbers 2 & 3 are going to take more time away from other things than I want to devote. Or option 4 - which I'm following right now - do nothing & trust (hope?) that my firewall, my anti-virus program and my hosts file will manage to keep the bad guys at bay for a while longer. On 4/7/2014 11:41 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: FWIW, early 2013 I picked up a brand new HP desktop less a monitor for $400 with decent specs and win7 pre installed. my old machine with XP was about 6 years old and kicked the bucket ( bad motherboard ). On 4/7/2014 11:27 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: I should have said update your hardware and OS to win7 On 4/7/2014 11:17 PM, John Sessoms wrote: The hardware I'm running XP on might just barely meet the minimums for Win7, but it wouldn't run worth a damn. On 4/7/2014 7:32 PM, J.C. O'Connell wrote: update to win7, its pretty painless and win7 works pretty well. On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
It’s potentially much, much worse than that. They include the signing keys that web sites use to make "https:" addresses work. So the bad guys can in principle pretend to be https://your-bank.com and steal not just your credit card number but everything. Note that not every bank would have been affected; weirdly enough, if you hadn’t got around to updating your crypto libraries recently, you’re OK (but some would, for sure). So what happened was, geeks everywhere worked all night last night to replace the old keys with new keys. So what we’re hoping is that no really bad bad guy noticed the problem before the good guys did and got in there and stole some keys and stole some credit card numbers and wreaked havoc, before the good guys re-locked the barn door last night. But we won’t know for a while. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 8:22 AM, John Sessoms wrote: > Do those secrets include CREDIT CARD DATA from on-line purchases? > > > On 4/8/2014 1:53 AM, Tim Bray wrote: >> >> Summary: A programming error allows bad guys to steal secrets on a >> HUGE number of websites; geeks are working late all over the internet >> closing the barn doors. We won’t know for a while how bad the damage >> has been. >> >> On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms >> wrote: >>> >>> Just out of curiosity for the rest of us ... WTF? >>> >>> >>> On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and haven’t visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste and find out what version of OpenSSL you’re running and consider replacing your certs, stat. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more damaging zero-day. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test
On 4/8/2014 2:20 AM, mike wilson wrote: Started 5th April. I've been telling my spambot (or whatever it is that governs this at my ISP) that you are not spam but the rule is not taking, for some reason. Same for Rick and John Sessoms. Brian's seems to have been an aberrant message. Can you tell if it's affecting BOTH of my email accounts? Or is it just the Yahoo account? On 08/04/2014, Jack Davis wrote: Yeah, I've heard. I have a Geek whom I've contacted. but who is being very quiet. He may know something. Hopefully! J - Original Message - From: Paul To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 3:47 PM Subject: Re: Test Yours and Jack's are both showing up as spam... -p On 4/7/2014 4:13 PM, Rick Womer wrote: The weird thing is, I'm no longer seeing my new messages appear on the list (as of this weekend), nor are they appearing in my spam folder. Rick On Apr 7, 2014, at 15:00 , mike wilson wrote: Spam. Also, suddenly, Rick and Brian. No obvious reason. On 07/04/2014, Bob Sullivan wrote: Still headed to SPAM here... On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Jack Davis wrote: Have I fixed it? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Now I'm testing too...
I'm *NOT* looking forward to switching from Yahoo. I *AM* going to be doing so. But, I'm not going to worry about it until I see what the real fall out from the end of XP support is going to mean for me personally. I've still got a while before my years subscription to Yahoo Plus runs out. I definitely will *NOT* be renewing. On 4/7/2014 11:15 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I got this, Brian. My geek told me today that Yahoo wants me to change both my email address and he suggests I switch carriers. Told him I'm giving it a few days as not a lot happening at the moment. Jack From: Brian Walters To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 5:03 PM Subject: Now I'm testing too... In the other thread, Mike mentioned that my posts were suddenly going to his spam folder. As I'm using an email from my own domain, and not Yahoo, this seems odd. Anyone else getting my posts in their spam folder?? (of course, if they are, you probably wont see this :-(> ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Do those secrets include CREDIT CARD DATA from on-line purchases? On 4/8/2014 1:53 AM, Tim Bray wrote: Summary: A programming error allows bad guys to steal secrets on a HUGE number of websites; geeks are working late all over the internet closing the barn doors. We won’t know for a while how bad the damage has been. On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 7:14 PM, John Sessoms wrote: Just out of curiosity for the rest of us ... WTF? On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and haven’t visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste and find out what version of OpenSSL you’re running and consider replacing your certs, stat. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a more damaging zero-day. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Yeah, you’re right; e.g. my own tbray.org server is fine because it’s been up for 1080 days and has openssl 0.9.8. My estimation of NSA’s cleverness is a little lower than yours, I bet it was a surprise to them too. Someone should ask Snowden ;) On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: > > Tim, > > Thanks a lot for the heads-up. > Apparently, I saw it here before I saw it through the "proper" channels. > > Strictly speaking it is not a "zero-day", as it was introduced in the > version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable. > (I haven't seen any discussion of this yet, but I wouldn't be too > surprised if the NSA had known about this bug way before the disclosure.) > > Cheers, > > Igor > > > On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: >> In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and >> haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste >> and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider >> replacing your certs, stat. >> >> I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day. >> > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
Except that apparently it isn't actually possible to "upgrade" from XP to Windoze7. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/help/upgrading-from-windows-xp-to-windows-7#T1=tab01 : To upgrade your PC from Windows XP to Windows 7, you'll need to : select the Custom option during Windows 7 installation. A custom : installation doesn't preserve your programs, files, or settings. It's : sometimes called a "clean" installation for that reason. : : A custom installation is more complex, and it can sometimes take a : couple of hours to complete. We created this five-step tutorial to : help guide you through the entire process each step of the way. What : you need : : An external hard disk. You'll need to move your files off of your PC : before you install Windows 7. To make this easier, we recommend a : free download called Windows Easy Transfer, which will require an : external hard disk. They're readily available at electronics and : office supply stores, and they provide an easy way to add additional : storage space to your computer. : : The original installation discs or setup files for the programs that : you want to use with Windows 7. You'll need to reinstall your : programs by hand after installing Windows 7. When you run Windows : Easy Transfer you will get a report that lists the programs that you : are currently using with Windows XP. : Please note: "A custom installation doesn't preserve your programs, files, or settings." AND "You'll need to reinstall your programs by hand after installing Windows 7." On 4/8/2014 12:40 AM, Alan C wrote: Yes, John, I totally agree. I upgraded some time ago & have not looked back. Perhaps MS should offer free upgrades? Alan C -Original Message- From: John Celio Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 6:25 AM To: PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing Just to add my 2¢: Windows XP is an incredibly old operating system by today's standards. Yeah, Vista and Windows 8 were/are pretty awful, but Windows 7 is great. You really don't need to fear upgrading to 7, especially since you can install the XP virtual machine and run all the old software you have for XP (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/install-and-use-windows-xp-mode-in-windows-7). 7 is more secure and more powerful. XP is ancient and soon to be very vulnerable. It's time to upgrade. And hey, if you think your PCs are too old to run 7, modern desktops are getting super cheap these days. New and refurb PCs of various makes, models and capabilities show up on deal sites like Woot.com all the time, and even made-to-order systems from HP and the like aren't too costly anymore. They even brought back 7 because of the unpopularity of 8. On the other hand, you could go the route I took and build your own system. My PC is three years old now, but when I built it, it was comparable to high-end gaming systems yet cost about a third as much. Systems with more reasonable specs are even cheaper. Windows 7 is really the way to go. I've heard Microsoft is going to bring back the Start menu for Windows 9, but that's still at least a year off. If you don't want to be stuck with an ancient, unsupported OS, look into upgrading while Windows 7 is still around. John -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Heartbleed
Tim, Thanks a lot for the heads-up. Apparently, I saw it here before I saw it through the "proper" channels. Strictly speaking it is not a "zero-day", as it was introduced in the version 1.0.1, and the earlier versions are not vulnerable. (I haven't seen any discussion of this yet, but I wouldn't be too surprised if the NSA had known about this bug way before the disclosure.) Cheers, Igor On 4/7/2014 8:13 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > In the unlikely event that any of you run https-enabled web sites and > haven't visited heartbleed.com today, get thee over there post-haste > and find out what version of OpenSSL you're running and consider > replacing your certs, stat. > > I'm not sure I've ever seen a more damaging zero-day. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Leaping Tiger
Years back, I was able to eat anything I wanted and not gain weight as long as I ran 4 to 5 miles most days. Combine that with a reduced intake and I lost weight. But all that running, even with very good shoes eventually led to both knees being replaced. -Original Message- >From: IB Trading Assistan >Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger > >I've been like that all my life too. I always seem to be eating yet stay >thin. Fat-free milk may taste better but it's bad for your cholesterol level >as are other saturated fats. > >Alan C > >-Original Message- >From: David Mann >Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 7:54 AM >To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger > >What Alan said :) > >I am blessed with the opposite problem. I got a shock last year when I >worked out the numbers for my nutrition. I was eating plenty but it was >barely enough to keep up with my requirements before any training! >Considering I weigh nothing to start with I had to add a 4th daily meal to >avoid wasting away. Since then I've put on about 3kg of lean weight with a >little more to come from strength work in the gym. > >Because the carb/protein/fat balance was out of whack I was able to take >great pleasure in switching back to full-fat milk. > >Now I'm getting hungry... > >Cheers, >Dave > >On Apr 8, 2014, at 1:59 am, Alan C wrote: > >> It is. Eat less & run more - like train for a marathon! >> >> Alan C >> >> -Original Message- From: Mark C >> Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 1:59 PM >> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> Subject: Re: Leaping Tiger >> >> Thanks Ken! After just a couple of weeks mostly outdoors he's lost the >> weight he put on over the winter. I only wish it was so easy >> >> >> On 4/6/2014 11:50 PM, Ken Waller wrote: any advice about how to get the eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) would be appreciated. >>> >>> Yeah - shoot more ! >>> >>> Good looking animal. >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Mark C" >>> Subject: Leaping Tiger >>> >>> Cat Content Caution: http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9 My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70 kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be working on in the days ahead... This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) would be appreciated. Mark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
I searched my C: drive and found a file called firewall.cpl in the i386 folder. Is that telling me I have a hardware firewall? Trend Titatium does say it is "internet security" so I guess that means it isn't a hardware firewall. I've ahd it a few years and have no viri problems - once it found something to quarantine. my email is all text based and I'm very good at recognizing phishing emails. so what is a secure site for downloading one of those hardware firewall things if "firewal.cpl" isn't telling me it isn't that :-) ? Keep it simple - I'm a hardware idiot. ann On 4/7/2014 20:45, Gerrit Visser wrote: All excellent advice except that today's threats are mostly coming via phishing. If you watch what you download/install and sites that you visit you will be better off. OTOH, with XP not getting more updates it will become a target again. 400 million potential victims is hard to pass up. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 8:10 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... Keep an updated anti-virus and software firewall (ZoneAlarm, for example) and make sure you're connected through a *hardware* firewall for your personal broadband connection. A cheap router (even if you are only connecting a single computer) will do the trick. -- Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia www.robertstech.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
I suppose Ubuntu is fun if you’re a techy and like to play with computers. But if you’re a photographer, an operating system that won’t run the best image processing software sucks dead dog dick. Paul On Apr 8, 2014, at 2:31 AM, mike wilson wrote: > Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu. Download > the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk > before you install. Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that > you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent. > Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions. > Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default. > Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app. Plenty of other apps in the > repositories. > > As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources > to run. It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from > "press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might > be ready by then" (really) to about 40 seconds. > > On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele wrote: >> I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support >> will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at >> the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, >> B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. >> >> Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want >> to give up XP... >> >> ann > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test from Philly
Well, I should report that I can see your message, but on top of it, in my Google Mail web interface it shows a yellow banner saying "This message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you created."... So, Rick, it would seem you do have a problem. On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > PESO post last evening didn't go through; let's see if anything got fixed > overnight. > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Test from Philly
Nope - no change...still seeing you and Jack in the spam folder. -p On 4/8/2014 8:00 AM, Rick Womer wrote: PESO post last evening didn't go through; let's see if anything got fixed overnight. -- Being old doesn't seem so old now that I'm old. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Test from Philly
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Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
I'm not a techie but I doubt your computer will turn into a pumpkin at midnight. But you might want to pick up a pie crust just in case From what I read it looks like WinXP will simply start to become more and more insecure as new vulnerabilities are found and not patched. And there might be a crush of new exploits that hackers have discovered but held off on deploying until XP goes off support - that is speculation but some folk raise that prospect. If you can find Win7 and if your machine can support it, moving over to it is not bad at all. As someone else said, Lubuntu is an easy option but you might want to find a tech savvy person to help with the install. In my case the install went fine but I had to download a utility to get the dual boot working correctly. Upgrading may be a hassle but it would not be much worse than having to salvage things if your computer got a nasty malware infection. Mark On 4/7/2014 7:10 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
That is exactly what I did with my only XP machine. I originally installed Ubuntu and then switched over to the LXDE desktop. Now it says Lubuntu when it is booting. VueScan works just like it does on XP (which it should) - I scanned eight 35mm rolls via VueScan and the LS8000 under Lubuntu last week, it worked perfectly. Aside from scanning I don't do much with this machine, but Firefox works great. I will want to use Nikonscan for color or medium format, and when I want that I can just dual boot into XP. I will run one last XP update in case anything is released today and then just disable the wi-fi and leave it as a static box. Been enjoying Linbutu a lot - the LXDE desktop is very similar to WIndows. My biggest complaint about the Unity desktop was the task bar along the left of the screen - it would be fine on a wider monitor but my old 1280x1024 does better with a thin tool bar along the bottom. I don't do much image processing on this machine but do like to check on the scanning. I've been experimenting with DarkTable, which seems to be a very powerful 'library' type app, like Lightroom or Aperture. I find the Darktable user interface to be difficult though I have not given up on it. But for me even simple tasks can be frustrating to figure out. The version of Darktable in the Ubuntu software center is quite old - 0.9x something - the version I down loaded directly is 1.4. In the past I have not really calibrated this system - just use Calibrize to visually check it. I was thinking about setting up the machine in XP mode and running the X Rite i1 from my main computer on it to create a monitor profile, and then moving the profile over to the linux side. I think that would work - same video card and monitor, so the profile should be applicable regardless of the OS. But that is a project I for some future day (or maybe never) Mark On 4/8/2014 3:30 AM, Henk Terhell wrote: Agree Linux Ubuntu is the way to to go to wipe off XP on your old PC and feel comfortable about these XP hazards. However I soon got tired of the interface of Ubuntu and switched now to the light-weight Ubuntu version Lubuntu on both an old desktop and a laptop. LibreOffice and all of the Ubuntu software you need can be downloaded seperately in Lubuntu after installation. Lubuntu looks more like XP and is very fast. Both Ubuntu and Lubuntu will get a new version on April 17 with 5-year support. All at no cost. There is no Photoshop/Lightroom for Linux (only GIMP) but I use a Win8 desktop for that. Henk mike wilson schreef op 8-4-2014 08:31: Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu. Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk before you install. Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions. Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app. Plenty of other apps in the repositories. As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources to run. It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from "press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might be ready by then" (really) to about 40 seconds. On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Peso: Breezy Spring
Thank you, David! Jack - Original Message - From: David Mann To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Cc: Sent: Monday, April 7, 2014 10:07 PM Subject: Re: Peso: Breezy Spring I really like that. Cheers, Dave FWIW I just pulled about 20 threads out of my Gmail spam folder and I think this was one of them. On Apr 6, 2014, at 9:52 am, Jack Davis wrote: > > > Found on a local back road. > > K-5, DA16-45 > > Comments appreciated > > http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=758 > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Re: Leaping Tiger
I think it's a wonderful series. I agree with Bruce, looks like motion blur which I'm fine with. Very dynamic. The last photo, nice and sharp with those big "hunting eyes" really sets it all off beautifully. Lovely tabby, btw! Looks like lots of wild left in him. Cheers, frank On 6 April, 2014 8:40:40 PM EDT, Mark C wrote: >Cat Content Caution: > >http://www.markcassino.com/b2evolution/index.php/2014/04/06/leaping-tiger-i?blog=9 > >My cat and I were hanging in the yard on this first truly warm day so >far this year and decided to try for some action shots. Didn't quite >pull it off though - not sure if I just blew it, or the K3 and DA 17-70 > >kept back focusing, or if the cat was too fast. He gave me three tries >though and then light was too dim... Definitely something I will be >working on in the days ahead... > >This is sorta like sports photography - any advice about how to get the > >eyes sharp and the tailed blurred (instead of the other way around) >would be appreciated. > >Mark “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - the XP doomsday thing
For me Vista was quite OK until it got slow and finally crashed. Win 8 is also not bad but I got the classic desktop with the $ 5 Start8 utility (so at least I know how to switch off the PC). Win 8 (on an i7 processor with NVDIA GT-640 graphic card) handles Lightroom well. I think the file handling (Windows Explorer) is much improved in Win 8 compared to Vista. Henk Brian Walters schreef op 8-4-2014 10:54: Quoting Henk Terhell : Agree Linux Ubuntu is the way to to go to wipe off XP on your old PC and feel comfortable about these XP hazards. However I soon got tired of the interface of Ubuntu and switched now to the light-weight Ubuntu version Lubuntu on both an old desktop and a laptop. LibreOffice and all of the Ubuntu software you need can be downloaded seperately in Lubuntu after installation. Lubuntu looks more like XP and is very fast. Both Ubuntu and Lubuntu will get a new version on April 17 with 5-year support. All at no cost. There is no Photoshop/Lightroom for Linux (only GIMP) but I use a Win8 desktop for that. And that, I think, is the main problem. There really isn't a Photoshop alternative on Linux. GIMP threatens to get there but it's a long time coming. I used Ubuntu for a year or two but eventually got sick of having to boot into XP to run Photoshop (I could never get it to run successfully under Wine on Linux). These days I use Win 7 on my desktop and Vista on the laptop (despite it's bad reputation, I've found Vista quite OK). Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ Henk mike wilson schreef op 8-4-2014 08:31: Not to prosyletise too much; you really should try Ubuntu. Download the installation iso from Ubuntu.com and try it running from a disk before you install. Unless there are specific Windows-only apps that you need, just about everything you want can be run as an equivalent. Firefox and T'bird can transfer their content to the new versions. Libre Office can be set to save files as Office versions by default. Filezilla is a cross-system FTP app. Plenty of other apps in the repositories. As a bonus, Ubuntu seems to use much less of your machine's resources to run. It speeded up the start on an old netbook using XP from "press the button, then go and make a cup of tea properly and I might be ready by then" (really) to about 40 seconds. On 08/04/2014, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I have a feeling the threats from Windoze that their lack of support will result in all of us die-hard Xp users getting hacked to death at the stroke of midnight is a bit overstated, or to put it another way, B S. Given one has one's own virus protection and spam-blocker, that is. Anyone else have more educated opinions than mine? I SO don't want to give up XP... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
