Re: Way to go Paul !

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Alan. The research is the most entertaining part of my job.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 19, 2017, at 12:35 AM, Alan C  wrote:
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> Very interesting & great images. Talk about detective work.
> 
> Alan C
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> -Original Message- From: Paul Stenquist
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> Thanks Ken. I m not happy with the editing on this one, but that's the life 
> of a writer. I am pleased with my photos. I shot the car in a very cramped 
> parking lot and managed to control the background with the limited FOV and 
> DOF of the DF A 150-450. Added some high angle shots, and I was done. Fun 
> stuff.
> 
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Re: Way to go Paul !

[Alan C]

Very interesting & great images. Talk about detective work.

Alan C

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Subject: Re: Way to go Paul !

Thanks Ken. I m not happy with the editing on this one, but that's the life 
of a writer. I am pleased with my photos. I shot the car in a very cramped 
parking lot and managed to control the background with the limited FOV and 
DOF of the DF A 150-450. Added some high angle shots, and I was done. Fun 
stuff.


Paul via phone


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http://tinyurl.com/ya8o9gby

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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[P. J. Alling]

A good rolling cutter can be much more precise than a guillotine cutter, 
a bad one is less precise.  I've used both on actual photo sensitive 
paper and on inkjet paper.  I consider the multiple edges to be 
gimmicks.  I'm sure they're good for something but don't see any actual 
use for them in photography.  Also the removable blade versions for use 
with the different wheel types seem to be less precise than those that 
are only expected to be replaced when the blade gets dull.



On 10/18/2017 1:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Hi All,

I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good 
knife or
a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental 
office or elsewhere.

I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).


So, my question is:
What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
application to the photo paper?


Thank you,

Igor





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Re: Way to go Paul !

[Paul Stenquist]

Thanks Ken. I m not happy with the editing on this one, but that's the life of 
a writer. I am pleased with my photos. I shot the car in a very cramped parking 
lot and managed to control the background with the limited FOV and DOF of the 
DF A 150-450. Added some high angle shots, and I was done. Fun stuff.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Ken Waller  wrote:
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> http://tinyurl.com/ya8o9gby 
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Way to go Paul !

[Ken Waller]

http://tinyurl.com/ya8o9gby 



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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Anthony Farr]

I've used and owned both guillotines and rotary cutters and find them
equally good at the mid-level of quality. Both my cutter and my
guillotine at home have slightly skewed measuring guides on their
boards, which is annoying, but I've learned to compensate, and the
blades are good and square so that's the most important things sorted.
Guillotines are potentially the better tool in my opinion. The paper
skewing problem that has been mentioned is easily overcome by pressing
a sheet of cardboard down over the work, just inside the cut line, to
prevent the work from lifting or shifting. A really good cutting edge
(actually edge pairs because a guillotine works the same as scissors)
will slice the paper with so little resistance that skewing isn't an
issue. Some guillotines come with a hold-down bar that clamps the work
just before the blade comes down and I'd recommend looking for that
feature. Guillotines are definitely better for bulk cutting and a good
blade will have no trouble with ten or more sheets at a time, even
twenty plus if it's standard letter quality paper. I've used pedal
operated guillotines that don't even baulk at 100 sheets.
One last hint... If you place the cutting edge above a light table you
should, unless the paper is very thick, be able to see the cut line
absolutely exactly.

regards, Anthony

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Re: False news

[Anthony Farr]

But I mea culpa'd in the very next message. A true blue American would
know that a stars-right flag is correct for the starboard side, while
this dinky di Aussie was reacting to a flag that seemed backwards, but
has a logical reason for the superficially apparent, but non-existant
blunder.

regards, Anthony


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>> On Oct 14, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Anthony Farr  wrote:
>>
>> I'm Australian and saw it in about ten seconds. How many Americans would it
>> have taken before one spotted it. Mike Wilson is English and smelled a rat,
>> though I'm not sure he knows why his BS detectors trembled.
>
> Proof once again that Americans are just not very bright. Certainly not 
> compared to Australians and Brits.
>
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Re: Milwaukee

[Rick Womer]

Paul,

Traveling with my wife, who will be at a conference Thursday afternoon and all 
day Saturday. Friday we plan to be tourists together.

Flying in and out of O’Hare, and renting a car. We’re staying at the downtown 
Hyatt.

Rick

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
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> Rick -
> 
> Still trying to sort out with other family members whether the Chicago trip 
> will be Saturday or Sunday.  Should have things nailed down by this coming 
> weekend.
> 
> Some further info about your travels will be helpful in making some 
> recommendations.
> 
> Travelling alone?  Lodging location?  Will you have a vehicle available?
> 
> -p
> 
> 
> On 10/17/2017 2:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote:
>> Paul,
>> 
>> Any update on your plans yet?
>> 
>> If you're going to Chicago instead, your inside tips on sights and
>> restaurants (both beer-oriented and fine dining) would be most
>> welcome.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
>>> I think I'm the only PDMLer in the MKE area.  We may have to be in Chicago
>>> that day, but plans aren't firm as of yet.  If we're not traveling it would
>>> be great to get together...will keep you updated to see if we can meet up.
>>> Worst case, I can at least recommend some sights to see and visit.
>>> 
>>> -p
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/2/2017 10:12 AM, Rick Womer wrote:
 I’ll be playing tourist in Milwaukee on Saturday Oct 28.
 
 I’d love to get together with any PDMLers in the area.
 
 Rick
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Re: An new variation on the "silicon film" idea

[Zos Xavius]

You could, you know, save $400 and just stick some film ($400 would
buy a lot of film) into that camera and use it for what it was made
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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Paul Stenquist]

I use a box cutter, a straight edge and a mat room cutting board with a 1-inch 
grid. I was trained by ad biz art directors.

Paul via phone

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:
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> Igor -
> 
> I don't do a lot of paper trimming, but when I do I use rotary cutters - 
> never had much luck with accurately using the guillotine cutters.  For 
> smaller paper, up to 8.5 x 11 I use a cutter similar to this...
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yctm66qa
> 
> If I have a need to trim larger sheets*I* use one that's actually made for 
> working with fabric but works fine for photo paper as well...like this...
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/y87lefqk
> 
> -p
> 
> *
> *
> 
> 
>> On 10/18/2017 12:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
>> a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental office 
>> or elsewhere.
>> I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
>> I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
>> trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
>> multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
>> change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).
>> 
>> So, my question is:
>> What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
>> application to the photo paper?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Paul Sorenson]

Igor -

I don't do a lot of paper trimming, but when I do I use rotary cutters - 
never had much luck with accurately using the guillotine cutters.  For 
smaller paper, up to 8.5 x 11 I use a cutter similar to this...


http://tinyurl.com/yctm66qa

If I have a need to trim larger sheets*I* use one that's actually made 
for working with fabric but works fine for photo paper as well...like 
this...


http://tinyurl.com/y87lefqk

-p

*
*


On 10/18/2017 12:14 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Hi All,

I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good 
knife or
a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental 
office or elsewhere.

I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).


So, my question is:
What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
application to the photo paper?


Thank you,

Igor





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Re: guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

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On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 01:14:19PM -0400, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
> a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental office
> or elsewhere.
> I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
> I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called
> trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are
> multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to
> change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).
> 
> So, my question is:
> What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in
> application to the photo paper?

I've never had much success with the standard side-arm guillotine cutter.
For one thing, they are designed to be used by right-handed people.
Besides that, though, I've found that there's a tendency for the paper to
shift during the cut (so you end up cutting not quite along the line that
you wanted to cut on), or for the blade to twist away from the platform
so you end up tearing the paper slightly rather than making a clean cut.
In each case the problem gets worse the longer the cut you are trying to
make, and the more items you have stacked up to cut in one operation.
If you're only trying to cut two or three items with a cut smaller than 6"
you should be ok, but trying to make an 11" cut through 10 sheets of paper
can be a problem.
If you're only cutting a single sheet of photo paper, and it doesn't have
to be precisely cut to sub-millimeter accuracy, you should be OK with either
the side arm guillotine or one of the cheap roller cutters - I tried one of
those as well, but didn't find that it really offered me any improvement
(I didn't need the versatility of being able to make wavy-edged cuts).

I eventually gave in to temptation, and bought myself one of these:

 
https://www.amazon.com/Rotatrim-RCM24-24-Inch-Professional-Trimmer/dp/B9UTIP
 
It's not cheap, and it's not absolutely perfect, but it's pretty close.
The quality of the cut is ideal - as you move the cutting head the paper
is held tightly, so the cut is clean even when cutting multiple sheets
of cardstock (although I usually try to cut at most three sheets if I'm
cutting 65lb stock).

The only problems I've had is that it's a little hard to know exactly where
the cut will be made when trimming off margins (although if you err on the
conservative side you can just shift the paper and cut again - the cutter
will happily shave off a sliver of paper of a quarter of a millimeter or so),
and the alignment of the paper guide on the left hand side is just a hair
off - maybe 1/4 of a mm difference between the two ends (~1 part in 1000).

Oh, and one other thing - the screw that locks the stylus (the thing that
slides up and down the paper guide) looks as though it's metal, but it is
in fact made of plastic.  I found this out the hard way when the stylus
slid off the guide and fell onto the floor when I was moving the cutter;
the impact broke the head off the screw.  But Rotatrim happily shipped me
a replacement part at no charge, even though they're based in the UK.

I don't know how long the cutting wheels last - I've had mine slightly less
than five years, and with occasional use over that time it still seems to be
every bit as sharp as it was the day I purchased it.


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Re: Wrap up: Ribblehead, Fountains, Waverley, Autumn shades & Wings.

[Bob W-PDML]

> On 17 Oct 2017, at 05:29, Alan C  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks to those who looked & commented. Also for the UK "get-togethers". 
> Clearly the K5 is a step up from the K7. I now need to try it with longer 
> lenses & hopefully not bore you with game shots. Mind you, I still have a lot 
> of images from the Yorkshire Dales to process. Perhaps a giant GESO like 
> Dave's?
> 

I'm looking forward to seeing that, I love the Dales.

By the way, when I opened my mail this evening I had 231 unread PDML messages, 
going back to February this year. They included the one from you that I didn't 
receive just before you arrived here. A server somewhere must have sharted them 
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guillotine or rolling cutter for paper?

[Igor PDML-StR]

Hi All,

I don't do much paper cutting, and when I do, I use either a good knife or
a generic guillotine-type paper cutter available in the departmental 
office or elsewhere.

I am considering buying a simple inexpensive one for myself.
I haven't used "rolling" cutters (I believe they are frequently called 
trimmers?). I see that they could be a bit more versatile if there are 
multiple types of edges (wave, straight, etc.), but then you'd need to 
change the "knife head", probably very frequently (?).


So, my question is:
What are the pro's and con's of both types of cutters, especially in 
application to the photo paper?


Thank you,

Igor



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Re: Milwaukee

[Paul Sorenson]

Rick -

Still trying to sort out with other family members whether the Chicago 
trip will be Saturday or Sunday.  Should have things nailed down by this 
coming weekend.


Some further info about your travels will be helpful in making some 
recommendations.


Travelling alone?  Lodging location?  Will you have a vehicle available?

-p


On 10/17/2017 2:14 PM, Rick Womer wrote:

Paul,

Any update on your plans yet?

If you're going to Chicago instead, your inside tips on sights and
restaurants (both beer-oriented and fine dining) would be most
welcome.

Cheers,

Rick

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Paul Sorenson  wrote:

I think I'm the only PDMLer in the MKE area.  We may have to be in Chicago
that day, but plans aren't firm as of yet.  If we're not traveling it would
be great to get together...will keep you updated to see if we can meet up.
Worst case, I can at least recommend some sights to see and visit.

-p



On 10/2/2017 10:12 AM, Rick Womer wrote:

I’ll be playing tourist in Milwaukee on Saturday Oct 28.

I’d love to get together with any PDMLers in the area.

Rick



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Re: UPS Stupidy

[Igor PDML-StR]

Actually, that's not quite correct.
Both UPS and FedEx have introduced the lower-cost option when the 
"last-mile" delivery (more exactly, within your city/region) is done by 
the USPS. It is called "UPS Mail Innovations" and "FedEx SmartPost", 
respectively.

http://www.upsmailinnovations.com/
http://www.fedex.com/us/smart-post/outbound.html

But it is the vendor's choice if this option is used or not. It is not 
decided by UPS/FedEx on themselves.


HTH,

Igor

PS. I might be wrong, but it seems to me that once, UPS (or FedEx) 
delivered such a package themselves, despite the lower-cost option used by 
the vendor.



 P. J. Alling Wed, 18 Oct 2017 06:44:41 -0700 wrote:

Actually UPS uses the USPS for final delivery for small items so even if 
UPS is your carrier, you don't know who's ultimately responsible for final 
delivery...



This is especially problematic if you expect UPS since if you have a P. O. 
Box and no mail receptacle at your physical address USPS rules won't allow 
delivery.


On Wed, 18 Oct 2017, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



Amazon uses only UPS and USPS, and it seems unpredictable which one they'd 
use in each case.

So, you don't order from Amazon?

Igor


Mark Roberts Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:50:46 -0700 wrote:

I'll always pay a little extra to get my stuff delivered by any
service other than UPS. They're the worst of a bad lot.

Here's another thing that pisses me off: Places that offer only a
choice between "standard", "two-day" and "overnight" shipping, without
specifying what carrier is being used for any of them.




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Re: Samyang 14/2.8 on K-1, good?

[P. J. Alling]

Handlebar think Snidely Whiplash...


On 10/15/2017 10:53 AM, Jostein wrote:



Den 10.10.2017 22:17, skrev P. J. Alling:


On an APS-C sensor it's moderate but correctable barrel distortion, 
but on FF it's mustache distortion.


Interesting expression. Would that be akin to Hitler's, Stalin's or 
Dali's moustache?


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Re: UPS Stupidy

[P. J. Alling]

Actually UPS uses the USPS for final delivery for small items so even if 
UPS is your carrier, you don't know who's ultimately responsible for 
final delivery...


This is especially problematic if you expect UPS since if you have a P. 
O. Box and no mail receptacle at your physical address USPS rules won't 
allow delivery.



On 10/18/2017 8:58 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


Amazon uses only UPS and USPS, and it seems unpredictable which one 
they'd use in each case.

So, you don't order from Amazon?

Igor


Mark Roberts Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:50:46 -0700 wrote:

I'll always pay a little extra to get my stuff delivered by any
service other than UPS. They're the worst of a bad lot.

Here's another thing that pisses me off: Places that offer only a
choice between "standard", "two-day" and "overnight" shipping, without
specifying what carrier is being used for any of them.




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Re: UPS Stupidy

[P. J. Alling]

The USPS used to allow, informally, a lot of leeway to their employees, 
at least in smaller towns.  Now all rules must be followed good bad or 
indifferent.  This leads to scenarios where the locals who know their 
customers have to do things that are antithetical to good customer 
relations, and those higher in the organization wonder why no one wants 
to use the US mail.


I cannot fathom why UPS, FedEx and other delivery businesses would want 
to emulate the latest stupidities that strictly enforcing USPS rules 
have created.


On the other hand it is disturbing that a signature required tracked 
package could be left on one's doorstep, as FedEx did, and be considered 
properly delivered, as happened when I ordered my K20D from B photo 
several years ago.


I guess there's no middle ground, either they follow the rules exactly 
or ignore them entirely.



On 10/18/2017 8:35 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


UPS, FedEx, USPS, and I assume, Canada Post, - all they are large 
machines that are designed to work well on average for the planned 
scenarios.
And humans (employees) are not given much freedom to think and make 
decisions.
Any disturbances that break those scenarios can lead to unpredictable 
results. (Although in this case, I believe, the end result is "as 
doctor prescribed": the package was delivered to their outlet, as you 
requested.

So, from the UPS point of view, - they complied with your request. :-P )

I would argue that it is a feature of any large service system: it 
works acceptably well until it breaks; but when it breaks, all hell 
breaks loose, and nobody knows what to do.



Speaking of large service "machines":
I was greatly impressed with the design and setup of another large 
machine: Disneyland. They have a very complex traffic 
control/switching, and it is designed extremely well. But with all of 
that, the staff is trained well and they are given enough freedom to 
think and make decisions on the spot if needed.


Igor


William Robb Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:42:45 -0700 wrote:

I ordered some stuff from Lee Valley Tools to support my other hobby.
Working on the theory that I am never home when UPS wants to deliver, 
and I

don’t really want a bunch of expensive tools sitting in a box on my back
landing, I changed the delivery to pick up at one of their outlets 
that is

close to where I work.
I was home for supper, and the UPS driver came to my back door and 
knocked.

As I was opening the door, he scanned the parcel, and told me that it had
been redirected to the depot and I would be able to pick it up tomorrow.
And with that, he took my parcel back to his van and drove away.


And people wonder why I despise UPS.

Have fun

Bill



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Re: UPS Stupidy

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Oct 18, 2017, at 8:49 AM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> William Robb wrote:
> 
>> I ordered some stuff from Lee Valley Tools to support my other hobby.
>> Working on the theory that I am never home when UPS wants to deliver, and I
>> don’t really want a bunch of expensive tools sitting in a box on my back
>> landing, I changed the delivery to pick up at one of their outlets that is
>> close to where I work.
>> I was home for supper, and the UPS driver came to my back door and knocked.
>> As I was opening the door, he scanned the parcel, and told me that it had
>> been redirected to the depot and I would be able to pick it up tomorrow.
>> And with that, he took my parcel back to his van and drove away.
>> 
>> And people wonder why I despise UPS.
> 
> I'll always pay a little extra to get my stuff delivered by any
> service other than UPS. They're the worst of a bad lot. 
> 
> Here's another thing that pisses me off: Places that offer only a
> choice between "standard", "two-day" and "overnight" shipping, without
> specifying what carrier is being used for any of them.
> 
> -- 
> Mark Roberts - Photography & Multimedia
> www.robertstech.com
> 

I have had minor problems with FedEx, never with UPS or USPS. Our home is 
fairly isolated, a long driveway off the end of a 300 meter-long quiet deadend 
street. Our regular UPS guy, Mike, leaves our packages on the porch or inside 
the garage… If there is a to-be-signed-for delivery coming, we know that he 
will be at our place either at 12:20pm or 4:55pm. 

Stan
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Re: UPS Stupidy

[Igor PDML-StR]

Amazon uses only UPS and USPS, and it seems unpredictable which one they'd 
use in each case.

So, you don't order from Amazon?

Igor


Mark Roberts Wed, 18 Oct 2017 05:50:46 -0700 wrote:

I'll always pay a little extra to get my stuff delivered by any
service other than UPS. They're the worst of a bad lot.

Here's another thing that pisses me off: Places that offer only a
choice between "standard", "two-day" and "overnight" shipping, without
specifying what carrier is being used for any of them.


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Re: UPS Stupidy

[Mark Roberts]

William Robb wrote:

>I ordered some stuff from Lee Valley Tools to support my other hobby.
>Working on the theory that I am never home when UPS wants to deliver, and I
>don’t really want a bunch of expensive tools sitting in a box on my back
>landing, I changed the delivery to pick up at one of their outlets that is
>close to where I work.
>I was home for supper, and the UPS driver came to my back door and knocked.
>As I was opening the door, he scanned the parcel, and told me that it had
>been redirected to the depot and I would be able to pick it up tomorrow.
>And with that, he took my parcel back to his van and drove away.
>
>And people wonder why I despise UPS.

I'll always pay a little extra to get my stuff delivered by any
service other than UPS. They're the worst of a bad lot. 

Here's another thing that pisses me off: Places that offer only a
choice between "standard", "two-day" and "overnight" shipping, without
specifying what carrier is being used for any of them.
 
-- 
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www.robertstech.com





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UPS Stupidy

[Igor PDML-StR]

UPS, FedEx, USPS, and I assume, Canada Post, - all they are large machines 
that are designed to work well on average for the planned scenarios.
And humans (employees) are not given much freedom to think and make 
decisions.
Any disturbances that break those scenarios can lead to unpredictable 
results. (Although in this case, I believe, the end result is "as doctor 
prescribed": the package was delivered to their outlet, as you requested.

So, from the UPS point of view, - they complied with your request. :-P )

I would argue that it is a feature of any large service system: it works 
acceptably well until it breaks; but when it breaks, all hell breaks 
loose, and nobody knows what to do.



Speaking of large service "machines":
I was greatly impressed with the design and setup of another large 
machine: Disneyland. They have a very complex traffic control/switching, 
and it is designed extremely well. But with all of that, the staff is 
trained well and they are given enough freedom to think and make decisions 
on the spot if needed.


Igor


William Robb Tue, 17 Oct 2017 22:42:45 -0700 wrote:

I ordered some stuff from Lee Valley Tools to support my other hobby.
Working on the theory that I am never home when UPS wants to deliver, and I
don’t really want a bunch of expensive tools sitting in a box on my back
landing, I changed the delivery to pick up at one of their outlets that is
close to where I work.
I was home for supper, and the UPS driver came to my back door and knocked.
As I was opening the door, he scanned the parcel, and told me that it had
been redirected to the depot and I would be able to pick it up tomorrow.
And with that, he took my parcel back to his van and drove away.


And people wonder why I despise UPS.

Have fun

Bill

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Re: False news

[Steve Cottrell]

On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:

>We would have made quite the pair. In 7th grade (72-73) I was about 
>4'8". I probably came up to about your navel at the time.

There were a few girls in a similar situation if I recall...

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RE: An new variation on the "silicon film" idea

[John Coyle]

Larry's suggestion is what I do already, to a large extent.  On my digital 
bodies, until I bought
two lenses designed for digital, I used film era lenses with no problem - even 
screw-mount examples!
Now, I regularly use a film era 28-105 on digital - it makes a good walkabout 
lens when I don't need
a wide angle, but do want moderate telephoto.


John in Brisbane



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From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Larry Colen
Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2017 7:51 AM
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Subject: Re: An new variation on the "silicon film" idea



Mark Roberts wrote:
> This device replaces the back of your old film camera and lets you 
> take 16-megapixel photos.
> https://petapixel.com/2017/10/17/im-back-new-digital-back-old-35mm-cam
> eras/
>
> It's currently on Kickstarter so there's no telling if it ever makes 
> it to market.

That's a clever idea, but there are two problems, first it's not very clever, 
and second, as I often
either point out or demonstrate, there can be a huge disparity between clever 
ideas and good ideas.

IMNSHO there are really two appropriate solutions to the problem. Either shoot 
film while you can
still get it processed, and then if you want get it scanned, or buy a digital 
body that lets you use
your legacy glass.  The options for this seem to be (as appropriate to your 
gear): 
High end Nikon that will meter off AIS, Pentax, Leica, or some EVIL body that 
allows you to get an
adapter to use the lenses you want to play with.

>

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Re: UPS Stupidy

[Alan C]

Sounds more like Africa.

Alan C

-Original Message- 
From: William Robb

Sent: 18 October, 2017 7:41 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: UPS Stupidy

I ordered some stuff from Lee Valley Tools to support my other hobby.
Working on the theory that I am never home when UPS wants to deliver, and I
don’t really want a bunch of expensive tools sitting in a box on my back
landing, I changed the delivery to pick up at one of their outlets that is
close to where I work.
I was home for supper, and the UPS driver came to my back door and knocked.
As I was opening the door, he scanned the parcel, and told me that it had
been redirected to the depot and I would be able to pick it up tomorrow.
And with that, he took my parcel back to his van and drove away.

And people wonder why I despise UPS.

Have fun

Bill
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Re: UPS Stupidy

[mike wilson]

> On 18 October 2017 at 06:41 William Robb  wrote:
> 
> 
> I ordered some stuff from Lee Valley Tools to support my other hobby.
> Working on the theory that I am never home when UPS wants to deliver, and I
> don’t really want a bunch of expensive tools sitting in a box on my back
> landing, I changed the delivery to pick up at one of their outlets that is
> close to where I work.
> I was home for supper, and the UPS driver came to my back door and knocked.
> As I was opening the door, he scanned the parcel, and told me that it had
> been redirected to the depot and I would be able to pick it up tomorrow.
> And with that, he took my parcel back to his van and drove away.
> 
> And people wonder why I despise UPS.

I wonder more at your masochism.

> 
> Have fun
>

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Re: False news

[mike wilson]

> On 18 October 2017 at 02:58 Stanley Halpin 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > On Oct 17, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Steve Cottrell wrote:
> >> On 17/10/17, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed:
> >> 
> >>> IIRC Cotty was a year ahead of me in school.  If either of us had lived
> >>> something less than a mile closer to the other we would have gone to the
> >>> same Jr. High School at the same time.
> >> 
> >> Joaquin Miller Jr High.
> >> 
> >> I would have waved hi from the 8th grade lawn ;-)
> > 
> > We would have made quite the pair. In 7th grade (72-73) I was about 4'8". I
> > probably came up to about your navel at the time.
> > 
> 
> I just got to this thread and have read through quickly. Wasn’t it about the
> Air Force? What's this about navies?

The magnificent dodges and swerves of punning thread drift are both one of the
joys of PDML for old hands and, I suspect, why some people last but a fleeting
moment.

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