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2010/11/5 John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com: He then left in a snit. Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. no use re-hatching the matter over and over anyway =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb From: Ken Waller From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. I think you go too far characterizing it as tried to suppress. He chose to attack the person rather than counter the argument.. Further, his choice of language was offensive and several list members told him so He then left in a snit. Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. It was a new 1 door model that only swung one way. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. It was a new 1 door model that only swung one way. a BMW with the door at the rear? the Arsetta? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: eckinator eckina...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb 2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. It was a new 1 door model that only swung one way. a BMW with the door at the rear? the Arsetta? Its sister, the Isetta. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/3/2010 7:52 AM, John Sessoms wrote: From: Boris Liberman On 11/3/2010 1:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: J. Random Foreigner's country can do what they will with him. They're going to anyway. The laws of the list server's host nation apply to the list server itself. Does this highly disputable matter really belong to the open discussion on the list? May be Doug being the list mater can simply say his word that will be final on the matter? I don't understand what's disputable about it? United States law says that for a list server physically located within the borders of the U.S., the U.S. government cannot prosecute the listmiester for something a list member posts on the list. Under some limited circumstances they might be able to require Doug to scrub certain offending material off his server. Another country may choose to prosecute its own citizens for what they post on this list or may choose to block access to the list within their own borders, but they can't do anything to the listmiester here in the U.S. not legally that is. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/2/2010 4:27 PM, Larry Colen wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:55 AM, David J Brooks wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) If the PDML were a school bus, it would be one of the short ones. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est So you're saying we're very, very special? -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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No, the space aliens, they're already among us... On 11/2/2010 3:18 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/11/2 Jeffery Smithjsmith...@bellsouth.net: Hey! Everyone should pack heat! To protect ourselves against let me guess - people packing heat? oh yeah that makes sense =) -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Americans bow to no man. (Except for our president, who apparently hasn't gotten the word). On 11/2/2010 12:39 PM, Jack Davis wrote: The constitution notwithstanding, let's hear it for servility. Jack --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 10:16 AM I used the term constitution loosely, and in direct response to the prior poster that used the term, and my post was largely tongue in cheek. A bit bossy? On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Øslebymaritim...@gmail.com wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com: It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinatoreckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom Ccaka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy. -Woody Allen -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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eckinator wrote: 2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. It was a new 1 door model that only swung one way. a BMW with the door at the rear? the Arsetta? Now, THAT’s clever! :-D keith -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty wrote: Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... Give me a shout if you need any contacts over there. At least one list memeber in Krakow, also. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 4/11/10, mike wilson, discombobulated, unleashed: Give me a shout if you need any contacts over there. At least one list memeber in Krakow, also. Thanks. On a coach straight from Krakow to Auschwitz and then return some hours later. 5am flight from Gatwick, so hotel night before and next night to recover. Pulling two 10 hour shifts back to back. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Francis jo...@panix.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - ?be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. I find it offensive that you're not offended by my lack of offense. A moose once bit my sister ... Was she horny too? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. I think you go too far characterizing it as tried to suppress. He chose to attack the person rather than counter the argument.. Further, his choice of language was offensive and several list members told him so He then left in a snit. Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/5 Ken Waller kwal...@peoplepc.com: Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? I believe it was a snitchback -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Ken Waller From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. I think you go too far characterizing it as tried to suppress. He chose to attack the person rather than counter the argument.. Further, his choice of language was offensive and several list members told him so He then left in a snit. Was that a 2 or 4 door snit? Hatch-back I thought, but I really wasn't paying that much attention. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 3, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Cotty wrote: Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... WTF? While I don't know what the connection is, I'm pretty certain that you were just trying to be shockingly offensive, could you please explain it to me so that I'll understand what I'm supposed to be offended at? Besides, I'm the annoying jewboy on the list, not Bill. On the subject of bigotry, here is George Takei's commentary on Clint McCance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACK93xF-FE -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/3/2010 10:40 AM, Larry Colen wrote: Besides, I'm the annoying jewboy on the list, not Bill. I thought the word was kike... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Charles Robinson On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of 'moral' enlightement and political correctness. Well, my hyperventilation was fueled more by the fact that Bill was being a douche... not over any sort of P.C. crap. -Charles I thought it was unnecessarily bad manners. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tom C It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. I think you go too far characterizing it as tried to suppress. He chose to attack the person rather than counter the argument.. Further, his choice of language was offensive and several list members told him so He then left in a snit. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Charles Robinson On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:52, Jeffery Smith wrote: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. You forgot guns! Never forget your gun! ... as to the other topics, mark them OT: in the subject line and don't call people names. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Tim ?sleby Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? Self centered is what we do best. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... Wow. That one really went over my head. I really don't understand what you're getting at. Maybe it's just as well... -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Jack Davis The constitution notwithstanding, let's hear it for servility. Do you perhaps mean civility? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Scott Loveless I guess a more applicable question might be if J. Random Foreigner writes something that could be considered illegal speech in his own country, but sends it to a list server in a country where his words would be protected, who's laws apply? Or rather, who's laws should apply? J. Random Foreigner's country can do what they will with him. They're going to anyway. The laws of the list server's host nation apply to the list server itself. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/3/2010 1:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: J. Random Foreigner's country can do what they will with him. They're going to anyway. The laws of the list server's host nation apply to the list server itself. Does this highly disputable matter really belong to the open discussion on the list? May be Doug being the list mater can simply say his word that will be final on the matter? Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-11-03 4:40, Larry Colen wrote: On the subject of bigotry, here is George Takei's commentary on Clint McCance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACK93xF-FE Larry the Cable Guy Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! /Larry the Cable Guy -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Boris Liberman On 11/3/2010 1:09 PM, John Sessoms wrote: J. Random Foreigner's country can do what they will with him. They're going to anyway. The laws of the list server's host nation apply to the list server itself. Does this highly disputable matter really belong to the open discussion on the list? May be Doug being the list mater can simply say his word that will be final on the matter? I don't understand what's disputable about it? United States law says that for a list server physically located within the borders of the U.S., the U.S. government cannot prosecute the listmiester for something a list member posts on the list. Under some limited circumstances they might be able to require Doug to scrub certain offending material off his server. Another country may choose to prosecute its own citizens for what they post on this list or may choose to block access to the list within their own borders, but they can't do anything to the listmiester here in the U.S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/3/2010 2:52 PM, John Sessoms wrote: I don't understand what's disputable about it? United States law says that for a list server physically located within the borders of the U.S., the U.S. government cannot prosecute the listmiester for something a list member posts on the list. Under some limited circumstances they might be able to require Doug to scrub certain offending material off his server. Another country may choose to prosecute its own citizens for what they post on this list or may choose to block access to the list within their own borders, but they can't do anything to the listmiester here in the U.S. Oh, it is then that you and I were looking at it from different angles. I wasn't worried about Doug, as he was not the one saying nasty things. I thought about the punishability of the non-U.S. citizen misbehaving on the list so that such a question might arise. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Now, that's the third bladder-like object used to describe someone that I have seen on this forum in the past week. (1) [pompous] gas bag (2) whoopee cushion (3) douche bag Amy I missing any? g Jeffery On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:48 AM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-11-03 4:40, Larry Colen wrote: On the subject of bigotry, here is George Takei's commentary on Clint McCance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UACK93xF-FE Larry the Cable Guy Now I don't care who you are, that's funny! /Larry the Cable Guy -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Try extraditing someone from Canada to the US. It's a PITA. We had a hell of a time getting Charles Ng to come home. Jeffery On Nov 3, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Oh, it is then that you and I were looking at it from different angles. I wasn't worried about Doug, as he was not the one saying nasty things. I thought about the punishability of the non-U.S. citizen misbehaving on the list so that such a question might arise. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11/3/2010 3:05 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Try extraditing someone from Canada to the US. It's a PITA. We had a hell of a time getting Charles Ng to come home. Jeffery Well, I really don't want to get any deeper into this other than repeating myself that either we have to have some kind of rules (mostly I think, it will be honor bound) of this community, or this whole discussion is not worth the recycled electrons... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree that ad hominem attacks should be strongly discouraged. If someone wishes to attack another personally, he should do it off-list. As they say in saloons, take it outside, guys. When ad hominem attacks happen on-list, they invariably disrupt the forum and the function for which this list was made (discussion of Pentax photography). Jeffery On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/3/2010 3:05 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Try extraditing someone from Canada to the US. It's a PITA. We had a hell of a time getting Charles Ng to come home. Jeffery Well, I really don't want to get any deeper into this other than repeating myself that either we have to have some kind of rules (mostly I think, it will be honor bound) of this community, or this whole discussion is not worth the recycled electrons... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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There are those who don't want to perform without an audience. Jack --- On Wed, 11/3/10, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 6:38 AM I agree that ad hominem attacks should be strongly discouraged. If someone wishes to attack another personally, he should do it off-list. As they say in saloons, take it outside, guys. When ad hominem attacks happen on-list, they invariably disrupt the forum and the function for which this list was made (discussion of Pentax photography). Jeffery On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:13 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/3/2010 3:05 PM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Try extraditing someone from Canada to the US. It's a PITA. We had a hell of a time getting Charles Ng to come home. Jeffery Well, I really don't want to get any deeper into this other than repeating myself that either we have to have some kind of rules (mostly I think, it will be honor bound) of this community, or this whole discussion is not worth the recycled electrons... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Now, that's the third bladder-like object used to describe someone that I have seen on this forum in the past week. (1) [pompous] gas bag (2) whoopee cushion (3) douche bag Amy I missing any? g It's just a cornucopia of colorful invectives around here, like pricking a fart bubble ... :-) BTW: Go George Takei! -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: ... He called Godfrey a faggot. ... Let's put this long stream of nonsense together with some shred of accuracy in the facts of how it developed: WR objected to the statement wherein I opined that I was uninterested in meaningless brand bashing posing as serious technical discussion, and made some silly comment or another about it being time to improve his filters which block my posts from reaching his sensitive eyes. I responded that I don't filter him, I ignore him ... as I indeed I ignore Tom C, Jack Davis and several other people on this and other forums whom in my opinion behave in a nonsensical and irritating fashion on regular occasion. It's a fact of life that such people exist, it's a fact of life that I don't want to be annoyed by them, and ignoring them is a simple, sensible palliative for that annoyance. WR, having nothing further to say of any merit, then called me a faggot. The consequence of the ensuing debate and discussion is that he's (allegedly) left the list and chose to offer his apologies to the list through a third party. My take on that is that he's just acting in accordance with his usual behavior and I ignored it too. I don't wish WR any ill, I just have no interest in and assign no importance to his statements. ... and onwards ... Being a faggot, I run into such emotional outbursts occasionally. They don't bother me in any emotional way, as long as the individual delivering them isn't within range of posing a physical threat. (If they are within range of physical threat, I take appropriate action in the context of the situation.) Such outbursts are the result of intellectual bankruptcy and insecurity: the individual delivering them is frustrated with a lack of ammunition to 'win' (whatever they think that means) in reasoned discussion and resorts to pushing the perceived opponent with something that they themself are uncomfortable about, hoping to unsettle the opponent and push the debate down a different track more in their favor. Take it as a truth that I am not uncomfortable with my sexuality or gender preference in any way. You cannot push my buttons with such nonsense. I choose to ignore such nonsense, just like I choose to ignore other things I consider to be nonsense and people whom I consider to be nonsensical. I don't need to be granted a right to ignore what I choose to ignore, no one can make me pay attention to it, although I do need to be prepared to deal with consequences if what I ignore is actually going to have an effect on me. Ignoring something is not the same as being ignorant. That such individuals take umbrage to the statement 'I ignore you' is an indication that what I say is important to them. My statement clearly indicates that what they have to say is unimportant to me. I post it publicly as my indication back to them that I find their nonsensical behavior inappropriate and not of interest to me, in the hope that they become conscious of their behavior. I don't hold much expectation of that hope having any realization. More hyperbolic invective, when I partake in it, is generally intended to be so over the top as to be obvious that I find the discussion absurd or ridiculous beyond the tenor of sense and reason, but not without a humorous side. It is intended for humor's sake, and my apologies if some find the humor of such invective lacking. I chalk it up to my youth spent in the Bronx ... ;-) Remain calm. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Godfrey, This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Regards, Bob S. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: ... He called Godfrey a faggot. ... Let's put this long stream of nonsense together with some shred of accuracy in the facts of how it developed: WR objected to the statement wherein I opined that I was uninterested in meaningless brand bashing posing as serious technical discussion, and made some silly comment or another about it being time to improve his filters which block my posts from reaching his sensitive eyes. I responded that I don't filter him, I ignore him ... as I indeed I ignore Tom C, Jack Davis and several other people on this and other forums whom in my opinion behave in a nonsensical and irritating fashion on regular occasion. It's a fact of life that such people exist, it's a fact of life that I don't want to be annoyed by them, and ignoring them is a simple, sensible palliative for that annoyance. WR, having nothing further to say of any merit, then called me a faggot. The consequence of the ensuing debate and discussion is that he's (allegedly) left the list and chose to offer his apologies to the list through a third party. My take on that is that he's just acting in accordance with his usual behavior and I ignored it too. I don't wish WR any ill, I just have no interest in and assign no importance to his statements. ... and onwards ... Being a faggot, I run into such emotional outbursts occasionally. They don't bother me in any emotional way, as long as the individual delivering them isn't within range of posing a physical threat. (If they are within range of physical threat, I take appropriate action in the context of the situation.) Such outbursts are the result of intellectual bankruptcy and insecurity: the individual delivering them is frustrated with a lack of ammunition to 'win' (whatever they think that means) in reasoned discussion and resorts to pushing the perceived opponent with something that they themself are uncomfortable about, hoping to unsettle the opponent and push the debate down a different track more in their favor. Take it as a truth that I am not uncomfortable with my sexuality or gender preference in any way. You cannot push my buttons with such nonsense. I choose to ignore such nonsense, just like I choose to ignore other things I consider to be nonsense and people whom I consider to be nonsensical. I don't need to be granted a right to ignore what I choose to ignore, no one can make me pay attention to it, although I do need to be prepared to deal with consequences if what I ignore is actually going to have an effect on me. Ignoring something is not the same as being ignorant. That such individuals take umbrage to the statement 'I ignore you' is an indication that what I say is important to them. My statement clearly indicates that what they have to say is unimportant to me. I post it publicly as my indication back to them that I find their nonsensical behavior inappropriate and not of interest to me, in the hope that they become conscious of their behavior. I don't hold much expectation of that hope having any realization. More hyperbolic invective, when I partake in it, is generally intended to be so over the top as to be obvious that I find the discussion absurd or ridiculous beyond the tenor of sense and reason, but not without a humorous side. It is intended for humor's sake, and my apologies if some find the humor of such invective lacking. I chalk it up to my youth spent in the Bronx ... ;-) Remain calm. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Replying off list... Let's put this long stream of nonsense together with some shred of accuracy in the facts of how it developed: -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: While I don't know what the connection is, I'm pretty certain that you were just trying to be shockingly offensive, could you please explain it to me so that I'll understand what I'm supposed to be offended at? Certainly. Some months ago there was a discussion about - I think it was - big brother in the form of police hassling photogs somewhere. The photog in question was being provocative and frankly IMO deserved a good slapping for his outright obnoxiousness. Bill had a final go at me about it on list by telling me (and I quote) : Congratulations, you've just justified the holocaust. I try not to let him forget it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/11/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: When ad hominem attacks happen on-list, they invariably disrupt the forum and the function for which this list was made (discussion of Pentax photography). Why Jeffery (for it is you) is this your way of saying - stay on topic? in awe -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Be fair - facts are sometimes glossed over but G has every right to set the record straight ? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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That's why I filtered Hitler. On 11/3/2010 1:31 PM, Cotty wrote: Congratulations, you've just justified the holocaust. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 3, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: I agree that ad hominem attacks should be strongly discouraged. If someone wishes to attack another personally, he should do it off-list. As they say in saloons, take it outside, guys. When ad hominem attacks happen on-list, they invariably disrupt the forum and the function for which this list was made (discussion of Pentax photography). As this interminable thread is such a perfect example of. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/11/10, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: As this interminable thread is such a perfect example of. And that you are being forced to read --- ;-) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Another country may choose to prosecute its own citizens for what they post on this list or may choose to block access to the list within their own borders, but they can't do anything to the listmiester here in the U.S. they could send a team of ninja cyclists to ride really, really slowly in front of his car every time he goes out. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pity Bill isn't around, I'm filming at Auschwitz on Tuesday - that should be a barrel of laughs. Is that for Remembrance Day? I could really get my chance to justify the holocaust... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: Another country may choose to prosecute its own citizens for what they post on this list or may choose to block access to the list within their own borders, but they can't do anything to the listmiester here in the U.S. they could send a team of ninja cyclists to ride really, really slowly in front of his car every time he goes out. I'm on it. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And 'set the record straight' again and again and again... Enough already. Bob S. On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 3/11/10, Bob Sullivan, discombobulated, unleashed: This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Be fair - facts are sometimes glossed over but G has every right to set the record straight ? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/11/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: that should be a barrel of laughs. Is that for Remembrance Day? Party of 200 school children visiting in the lead up to same. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/11/10, Cotty Cottington, discombobulated, unleashed: I'm on it. Har! The doppleganger makes an appearance! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/3 Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com: Godfrey, This recap is just stiring the pot. Be a grown-up and let it pass. Regards, Bob S. we've all had our say in this so why not? and I doubt he'll stir the pot much because this discussion wasn't about him all that much. it was about William's transgression as perceived by some and I don't think anyone here was calling for infringements of expression. it has all died down, William may or may not be gone, Godfrey is still here which is good as far as I'm concerend, so no big whoop. we can all go on with Pentaxes, ninjas, puns, vegan bike pr0n or whatever else fuels our flames. all is good. so why not go on here? =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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that should be a barrel of laughs. Is that for Remembrance Day? Party of 200 school children visiting in the lead up to same. that should be very interesting indeed. Although you may need a waterproof housing for your camera. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/11/10, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: that should be very interesting indeed. Although you may need a waterproof housing for your camera. Indeed. I filmed a holocaust survivor giving a talk to teenagers once and there wasn't a dry eye in the house, including mine. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I missed it too, Tan. Been too busy to read the list recently Wendy On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: What the heck?!?! I missed the whole thing! Bill is gone? He has to be one of the longest standing members of this list... I don't know what to say! What could have caused such a travesty?!? Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 6:37 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb I have to admit, I am very embarrassed by that outburst from me the other day. There were many ways I could have put my thoughts forward without being offensive. For the offence to the list, I apologize. For the insult directed towards Godfrey, I apologize most sincerely. Be well goodbye bill I'll think about it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Wendy Beard Carp, Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of 'moral' enlightement and political correctness. Tom C. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: What the heck?!?! I missed the whole thing! Bill is gone? He has to be one of the longest standing members of this list... I don't know what to say! What could have caused such a travesty?!? Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 6:37 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb I have to admit, I am very embarrassed by that outburst from me the other day. There were many ways I could have put my thoughts forward without being offensive. For the offence to the list, I apologize. For the insult directed towards Godfrey, I apologize most sincerely. Be well goodbye bill I'll think about it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of 'moral' enlightement and political correctness. Well, my hyperventilation was fueled more by the fact that Bill was being a douche... not over any sort of P.C. crap. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone else should or did. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of 'moral' enlightement and political correctness. Well, my hyperventilation was fueled more by the fact that Bill was being a douche... not over any sort of P.C. crap. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:59, Tom C wrote: IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone else should or did. Fair 'nuff! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone else should or did. Perhaps some of us are offended not because we find the offense offensive, but because we're concerned our neighbor might be offended to see us not being offended. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL... that probably sums it up. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone else should or did. Perhaps some of us are offended not because we find the offense offensive, but because we're concerned our neighbor might be offended to see us not being offended. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I don't understand why people think it is their right to use the the word faggot and then get all hurt when someone exercises their right to call them a jerk. Bill wasn't banned, he left on his own. I wish he had stayed because I often liked what he had to say. But you can't call people names and then be sensitive when others call you names in return. As for Godfrey not being offended, who knows what he really feels. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, Godfrey was being his annoying arrogant self and irritated Bill. It's cause and effect. If Godfrey provoked it, and he didn't care about the response, and moreover accepted the acclaimation, then I don't quite see why anyone else should or did. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 8:15, Tom C wrote: He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of 'moral' enlightement and political correctness. Well, my hyperventilation was fueled more by the fact that Bill was being a douche... not over any sort of P.C. crap. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Because it was gratuitously offensive? Because its sole purpose was to offend? If Robb wanted to call him that, he could have done it offlist, but wanted an audience to see it. The audience saw it. If this list were entirely composed of racist, sexist, homophobic members, then that sort have post would have gone either unnoticed or been applauded. But some of what are apparently the idiotic members didn't like it, and nobody applauded. Jeffery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I love you too, Tom. I ignore you too. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 6:15 AM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: He called Godfrey a faggot. That made Godfrey happy, but it made a lot of other list members angry because they think Bill shouldn't call Godfrey that. So they hyperventilated and got all over Bill's case in some idiotic guise of 'moral' enlightement and political correctness. Tom C. On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: What the heck?!?! I missed the whole thing! Bill is gone? He has to be one of the longest standing members of this list... I don't know what to say! What could have caused such a travesty?!? Tanya Love Photographer www.lovebytes.com.au m: 0458 006 740 -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 6:37 AM To: pentax list Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb I have to admit, I am very embarrassed by that outburst from me the other day. There were many ways I could have put my thoughts forward without being offensive. For the offence to the list, I apologize. For the insult directed towards Godfrey, I apologize most sincerely. Be well goodbye bill I'll think about it. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Steve, this wasn't in response to your post. It was in response to the previous ones that saw no fault in the ft post. Our two posts went out at about the same time. Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 9:45 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote: Because it was gratuitously offensive? Because its sole purpose was to offend? If Robb wanted to call him that, he could have done it offlist, but wanted an audience to see it. The audience saw it. If this list were entirely composed of racist, sexist, homophobic members, then that sort have post would have gone either unnoticed or been applauded. But some of what are apparently the idiotic members didn't like it, and nobody applauded. Jeffery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm not condoning name-calling or derision of any list member, however I didn't find it as gratutiously offensive as you apparently did, and the one called that is certainly public about it. There's been plenty of other deriding comments on the list in the past, including regarding people with religious beliefs. I didn't see list members raising a hoopla about that. Seems a double standard exists. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Because it was gratuitously offensive? Because its sole purpose was to offend? If Robb wanted to call him that, he could have done it offlist, but wanted an audience to see it. The audience saw it. If this list were entirely composed of racist, sexist, homophobic members, then that sort have post would have gone either unnoticed or been applauded. But some of what are apparently the idiotic members didn't like it, and nobody applauded. Jeffery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. On the other end of the spectrum, there are photography forums that are so closely monitored, one can get a reprimand for bringing up the topic of fountain pens. Just last year, I got a rebuke for asking for opinions on folding bikes on the LUG. Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Tom C wrote: I'm not condoning name-calling or derision of any list member, however I didn't find it as gratutiously offensive as you apparently did, and the one called that is certainly public about it. There's been plenty of other deriding comments on the list in the past, including regarding people with religious beliefs. I didn't see list members raising a hoopla about that. Seems a double standard exists. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Because it was gratuitously offensive? Because its sole purpose was to offend? If Robb wanted to call him that, he could have done it offlist, but wanted an audience to see it. The audience saw it. If this list were entirely composed of racist, sexist, homophobic members, then that sort have post would have gone either unnoticed or been applauded. But some of what are apparently the idiotic members didn't like it, and nobody applauded. Jeffery -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. I find it offensive that you're not offended by my lack of offense. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:52, Jeffery Smith wrote: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. You forgot guns! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have no dog in this fight (apologies to PETA for the expression) but don't confuse Constitutional Rights with freedom from consequences or accountability for what one says when exercising such rights. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:31 PM, CheekyGeek cheekyg...@gmail.com wrote: I have no dog in this fight (apologies to PETA for the expression) but don't confuse Constitutional Rights with freedom from consequences or accountability for what one says when exercising such rights. I'm offended that you think being offended by the offensive is of consequence to the offender. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - ?be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. I find it offensive that you're not offended by my lack of offense. A moose once bit my sister ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:34 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 12:12:50PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - ?be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. I find it offensive that you're not offended by my lack of offense. A moose once bit my sister ... Oh realli? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hey! Everyone should pack heat! To protect ourselves against Oh, never mind. Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:18 AM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:52, Jeffery Smith wrote: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. You forgot guns! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: You Tom, and others may, may practice the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? Wait. You mean... http://pauloflaherty.com/files/2010/01/us-centric-globe.jpg ??? : ) Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- Nothing is sure, except Death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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What?! The rest of the world isn't following our lead?! Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I used the term constitution loosely, and in direct response to the prior poster that used the term, and my post was largely tongue in cheek. A bit bossy? On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I know Tom. But never the less ;-) -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: I used the term constitution loosely, and in direct response to the prior poster that used the term, and my post was largely tongue in cheek. A bit bossy? On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: What?! The rest of the world isn't following our lead?! That's offensive. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Indeed, Bill's actions are protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, not the Constitution. Godfrey's are protected by the First Ammendment to the US Constitution, other list members' speech is protected (or not protected) by the laws of where they live. -Adam On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The constitution notwithstanding, let's hear it for servility. Jack --- On Tue, 11/2/10, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com Subject: Re: On behalf of William Robb To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Tuesday, November 2, 2010, 10:16 AM I used the term constitution loosely, and in direct response to the prior poster that used the term, and my post was largely tongue in cheek. A bit bossy? On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:51 PM, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Pardon me for pointing at the obviouis. But this aint USA, it is PDML, a multicultural email list. So. There is no THE Constitution here, at least not as I am aware off. For the record: I'm not atacking the constitution. You Tom, and others may, may practise the constitution as mush as you like, but please don't take it for granted here. Doing so, could be interpreted as, how do I put this? A bit self centered? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: It was Godfrey's consititutional right to act in such a way to provoke Bill, who exercised his constititional right to use a word that some found offensive, who then tried to suppress that constitutional right. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:05 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/2 Tom C caka...@gmail.com: Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca wrote: Indeed, Bill's actions are protected by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, not the Constitution. Godfrey's are protected by the First Ammendment to the US Constitution, other list members' speech is protected (or not protected) by the laws of where they live. Are they? The list server is, I think (please slap me around if I'm wrong), located in the US. I'd like to think, and if it were up to me they would, that anyone within the borders of the United States would enjoy the same constitutional guarantees as a citizen. All men and inalienable are powerful words. But since we're not all in the same place, who's laws apply? If the list server were located in Iran, could our Iranian friend Doug Brewer be prosecuted for blasphemy when some loudmouth atheist/Christian/Jew in some other part of the world spouts off? That's an interesting statement, Adam. I'd be curious to know how well our governments have worked this sort of thing out, but I'll probably be disappointed by the answer. If there is an answer. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It seems to me that without a written set of rules that we click to agree before we proceed with subscription, the issue is slightly moot. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Jack Davis jdavi...@yahoo.com wrote: The constitution notwithstanding, let's hear it for servility. Also civility. They are both foreign concepts (and by foreign, I mean of another planet). Darren Addy Kearney, Ne -- Nothing is sure, except Death and Pentaxes. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LOL!!! Leave it to Dave to put this all in perspective. Case closed. Paul On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:55 PM, David J Brooks wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Seems a double standard exists. instead you /could/ - note: not /should/ - ?be glad that someone cares. by the way the idiots who care are the same people who are respecting your exercise of your constitutional right to call them idiots as a matter of opinion - as you can see noone took offense at that. I find it offensive that you're not offended by my lack of offense. A moose once bit my sister ... that moose must have been a swine B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum, and generally ignite a purposeless day or two of hostility. Inasmuch that they have nothing to do with Pentax or photography, they are best avoided. On the other end of the spectrum, there are photography forums that are so closely monitored, one can get a reprimand for bringing up the topic of fountain pens. Just last year, I got a rebuke for asking for opinions on folding bikes on the LUG. you're not allowed to mention the LUG on the PDML. Go and stand in the corner for 10 minutes. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Perhaps some of us are offended not because we find the offense offensive, but because we're concerned our neighbor might be offended to see us not being offended. Good offences make good neighbours. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 02, 2010 at 01:47:30PM -0400, Scott Loveless wrote: Are they? The list server is, I think (please slap me around if I'm wrong), located in the US. I'd like to think, and if it were up to me they would, that anyone within the borders of the United States would enjoy the same constitutional guarantees as a citizen. All men and inalienable are powerful words. But since we're not all in the same place, who's laws apply? If the list server were located in Iran, could our Iranian friend Doug Brewer be prosecuted for blasphemy when some loudmouth atheist/Christian/Jew in some other part of the world spouts off? That's an interesting statement, Adam. I'd be curious to know how well our governments have worked this sort of thing out, but I'll probably be disappointed by the answer. If there is an answer. It depends on the jurisdiction where the server is located. In the US it is generally held that ISPs, list service providers, c. are protected by common carrier rules. This means that as long as they don't exercise a priori censorship and the like they can't be prosecuted for what shows up on customer content parts of their sites, Rules in other parts of the world may well differ. And even in the US there are some rules that have to be followed; protected speech is not an absolute carte blanche; laws on libel (and hate speech) apply. An ISP, list provider, etc. may have to remove offensive content if so ordered by the courts, and may be found liable for damages in the civil courts; as others have pointed out, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from all consequences of that speech. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark! --- On Tue, 11/2/10, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) Dave -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:19 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: It depends on the jurisdiction where the server is located. That would make sense. In the US it is generally held that ISPs, list service providers, c. are protected by common carrier rules. This means that as long as they don't exercise a priori censorship and the like they can't be prosecuted for what shows up on customer content parts of their sites, I guess a more applicable question might be if J. Random Foreigner writes something that could be considered illegal speech in his own country, but sends it to a list server in a country where his words would be protected, who's laws apply? Or rather, who's laws should apply? -- Scott (IANAL) Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The one with the closest prison or firing squad takes precedence. It's called the Law of Proximity. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: I guess a more applicable question might be if J. Random Foreigner writes something that could be considered illegal speech in his own country, but sends it to a list server in a country where his words would be protected, who's laws apply? Or rather, who's laws should apply? -- Scott (IANAL) Loveless -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/11/2 Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net: Hey! Everyone should pack heat! To protect ourselves against let me guess - people packing heat? oh yeah that makes sense =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Or vigilante group. Down here in the lower 48, we're far more concerned about the cell phone images of Brett Favre's pee pee. Jeffery On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Tom C wrote: The one with the closest prison or firing squad takes precedence. It's called the Law of Proximity. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: I guess a more applicable question might be if J. Random Foreigner writes something that could be considered illegal speech in his own country, but sends it to a list server in a country where his words would be protected, who's laws apply? Or rather, who's laws should apply? -- Scott (IANAL) Loveless -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@bellsouth.net wrote: Down here in the lower 48, we're far more concerned about the cell phone images of Brett Favre's pee pee. Whew. Thanks for not saying penis. g -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:55 AM, David J Brooks wrote: If the PDML were a school bus, you'd all be sitting up front right now.:-) If the PDML were a school bus, it would be one of the short ones. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/11/10, Jeffery Smith, discombobulated, unleashed: Religion, politics, sexual orientation, and race are not good topics for any forum Hang on mate, that's why I joined the PDML !? -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
