Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Peter Alling wrote: > > Been away for a bit, spent a couple of weeks traveling and then another > couple of weeks getting caught up on "things". (4500+ messages from PDML > sheeish). > I'm going to scan the headers and delete most if not all of them, so if > anyone had a comment rant or insult especially for me they > might want to forward it off list. > > Since this was for me... > Keith, Mine is the Saturn SC2, I couldn't really afford a new car at this > time and buying a used one in my current price range would have gotten > me someone else's problems, [etc snipped] Hi Peter, Welcome back... If I couldn't have got the Saturn wagon (SW2) my next choice would have been an SC2. The way my retirement age family (only the wife and I left) work is, she gets the nice looking sedan, the road warrior lump of Detroit iron (1995 Buick Le Sabre Limited, 3.8L V6 sedan) while I get the machine that accepts appliances up to washing machine size in the hatchback area. You sure can't do that in a sports coupe. BIG sighhh! By the time I can get wifey to agree I can FINALLY have a sports coupe again, it won't be a Masarati, or even a Beemer. Maybe a Hyundai? Wait just a minute! I just had a blinding flash of inspiration! How about an Audi Le Mans quattro with a trailer hitch? WoW! Just the thought of driving one makes me [fill in your own verb...] keith whaley
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Been away for a bit, spent a couple of weeks traveling and then another couple of weeks getting caught up on "things". (4500+ messages from PDML sheeish). I'm going to scan the headers and delete most if not all of them, so if anyone had a comment rant or insult especially for me they might want to forward it off list. Since this was for me... Keith, Mine is the Saturn SC2, I couldn't really afford a new car at this time and buying a used one in my current price range would have gotten me someone else's problems, (and I already had fixed those on my beast), I somehow justified having the transmission replaced, (used). It drives more or less like new. (I replaced the drivers seat with a used seat and the car feels enough different to seem new if I close my eyes while sitting in it)... At 09:57 AM 10/14/03, you wrote: A 1993 model Saturn? Which one? That was pretty early in the Saturn line. Nevertheless, a brand new line of cars, and a manual transmission lasts for over 230,000 miles, well that is pretty good, all by itself. An average of 23,000 miles a year is pretty high milage. Sounds to me like you got a good car, Peter... Are you going to replace it, or have you already? keith Peter Alling wrote: > > Auto-tranny, no way, I like to have control over my machines, not the other way > around. Ten years and 230,000 miles and the damned thing just came apart. > Then don't build them like they used to, and its a good thing too... > > At 02:00 PM 10/12/03, you wrote: > >Automatic tranny? > >I only have 1/10 the miles on my 4 year old SW-2 Saturn wagon, but it's > >a stick with a 5 speed tranny. > >I'm still very well pleased with the quality and - so far - durability. > >I've owned foreign sports cars, and later coupes and sports sedans since > >1956, far preferring the handling and performance over U.S. designed and > >built machines. > >I'm pleased to say I recognize and appreciate the vast improvement in > >most American cars in the intervening period... > >My Saturn handles very like a fine European or Japanese sports sedan. > >It's appointed like they used to be, not cheap and cheesy like the > >American iron used to be, years ago. > >Also, I've noticed the same attention to detail and reliability for > >other U.S. made cars in the last 4 to 5 years. > >American-made cars deserve the new attention they're getting. They've > >made vast strides. > > > >I still want to hear about that tranny! > > > >keith whaley > > > >Peter Alling wrote: > > > > > > My Saturn went approximately 230,000 statute miles that's 370,149 KM for > > > the those impaired by > > > using the Metric system. My mechanic congratulated me by the way, not the > > > for extraordinary mileage > > > but the way the tranny destroyed itself, his exact words were, "I've only > > > seen BMW's hand-grenade like that!" > > I drink to make other people interesting. > -- George Jean Nathan I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... dealing with OT
Alex, I've been with this group for ... I don't know how many years. I've found it to be the most interesting of all those I've ever joined. The fact that threads appear regularly that have little, or nothing, to do with Pentax is what makes it so interesting. I don't care about cars and delete every post about them. Its very easy, the Del key is to the right just below insert, and I employ my middle finger, not being an expert typist. There are many other topics that don't interest me and I use the same technique. With very few exceptions the members are a great bunch of people. The really unpleasant ones haven't lasted very long and I have a filter for one of those who persists. I've also blotted my copybook a few times, but have been forgiven very soon ... by most ... I think. I believe that there is *always* someone in every list who knows more than you do. Take advantage of this. I also believe that about one in twenty will always disagree with you and there are others who will *always* nag. I've had some problems dealing with that. Don ___ Dr E D F Williams http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams Author's Web Site and Photo Gallery See New Pages "The Cement Company from HELL!" Updated: August 15, 2003 - Original Message - From: "alex wetmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:37 AM Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > So did I get lost in the car forum or is this supposed to be the > Pentax forum? I think I'm remembering why I dropped off of it a few > years ago. > > Hopefully we can have more camera discussion than car discussion > over the next few days. > > alex >
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Opel is a GM car. Always has been. Peter Alling wrote: > > GM owned enough of ISUZU to dictate design and production decisions to them > in the 70's. > GM at one time imported Opel Kadets from Germany and sold them through > Buick dealerships > of all places. When it became too expensive to get the Opels from Germany > they had ISUZU > build them and imported them from Japan. > > At 10:16 AM 10/13/03, you wrote: > >Maybe GM didn't own Isuzu, but wasn't there a marketing agreement between > >the two, maybe 10 years back? I can't remember, but I'm sure that GM > >rebadged some Isuzu product for US sales. Much like they rebadged Toyota > >Corollas as Novas (that wasn't a flop, was it?). > > > >Damn, what was it? They weren't really marketed as a GM car (sort of like > >a Japanese Saturn, they had their own "division"). Not Geo. Damn, this > >is going to piss me off. If I think of it later, I'll Google GM/Isuzu, > >I'm sure something will come up. > > > >I recall it was around the time that Isuzu sold something with a > >"suspension tuned by Lotus" badge on it - I think GM may have had shares > >of Lotus too? > >Or not, I don't know. > > > >cheers, > >frank > > > > > > > >"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The > >pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > > > > > > > >>From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>Hummm? The guys working at Hydromatic in Ypsilanti might argue about > >>GM not building automatic transmissions with you, Paul. > >> > >>However, I will note that unless the changed the laws over in Japan GM > >>does not own Isuzu, the Japanese government does not (or at least did > >>not) allow foreign control of Japanese Companies. > >> > >> > >> > >>Paul Stenquist wrote: > >> > >>>Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, > >>>and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them > >>>from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, > >>>but it's not their part. > > > >_ > >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > I drink to make other people interesting. > -- George Jean Nathan
RE:OT: rebadged autos-was: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Hey, Bucky, I'm getting real confused here - but hell, with all the share transfers, and rebadged autos that have sold all over, who can keep track? Someone else, off list, reminded me that the Geo Storm was an Isuzu. IIRC, Geo was going to be GM's "import" or "Japanese" division. Didn't the Chevy Sprint (actually a Suzuki) end up rebadged as a Geo of some sort? You are, I think, correct, though. the Asuna was a rebadged Isuzu - I think it was the same as the Geo Storm - can't remember what the Isuzu was called. My head hurts. I'm going to get a beer. Excuse me. ciao, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "Bucky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Asuna? _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
A 1993 model Saturn? Which one? That was pretty early in the Saturn line. Nevertheless, a brand new line of cars, and a manual transmission lasts for over 230,000 miles, well that is pretty good, all by itself. An average of 23,000 miles a year is pretty high milage. Sounds to me like you got a good car, Peter... Are you going to replace it, or have you already? keith Peter Alling wrote: > > Auto-tranny, no way, I like to have control over my machines, not the other way > around. Ten years and 230,000 miles and the damned thing just came apart. > Then don't build them like they used to, and its a good thing too... > > At 02:00 PM 10/12/03, you wrote: > >Automatic tranny? > >I only have 1/10 the miles on my 4 year old SW-2 Saturn wagon, but it's > >a stick with a 5 speed tranny. > >I'm still very well pleased with the quality and - so far - durability. > >I've owned foreign sports cars, and later coupes and sports sedans since > >1956, far preferring the handling and performance over U.S. designed and > >built machines. > >I'm pleased to say I recognize and appreciate the vast improvement in > >most American cars in the intervening period... > >My Saturn handles very like a fine European or Japanese sports sedan. > >It's appointed like they used to be, not cheap and cheesy like the > >American iron used to be, years ago. > >Also, I've noticed the same attention to detail and reliability for > >other U.S. made cars in the last 4 to 5 years. > >American-made cars deserve the new attention they're getting. They've > >made vast strides. > > > >I still want to hear about that tranny! > > > >keith whaley > > > >Peter Alling wrote: > > > > > > My Saturn went approximately 230,000 statute miles that's 370,149 KM for > > > the those impaired by > > > using the Metric system. My mechanic congratulated me by the way, not the > > > for extraordinary mileage > > > but the way the tranny destroyed itself, his exact words were, "I've only > > > seen BMW's hand-grenade like that!" > > I drink to make other people interesting. > -- George Jean Nathan
RE: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Asuna? At 10:16 AM 10/13/03, you wrote: >Maybe GM didn't own Isuzu, but wasn't there a marketing agreement between >the two, maybe 10 years back? I can't remember, but I'm sure that GM >rebadged some Isuzu product for US sales. Much like they rebadged Toyota >Corollas as Novas (that wasn't a flop, was it?).
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
GM owned enough of ISUZU to dictate design and production decisions to them in the 70's. GM at one time imported Opel Kadets from Germany and sold them through Buick dealerships of all places. When it became too expensive to get the Opels from Germany they had ISUZU build them and imported them from Japan. At 10:16 AM 10/13/03, you wrote: Maybe GM didn't own Isuzu, but wasn't there a marketing agreement between the two, maybe 10 years back? I can't remember, but I'm sure that GM rebadged some Isuzu product for US sales. Much like they rebadged Toyota Corollas as Novas (that wasn't a flop, was it?). Damn, what was it? They weren't really marketed as a GM car (sort of like a Japanese Saturn, they had their own "division"). Not Geo. Damn, this is going to piss me off. If I think of it later, I'll Google GM/Isuzu, I'm sure something will come up. I recall it was around the time that Isuzu sold something with a "suspension tuned by Lotus" badge on it - I think GM may have had shares of Lotus too? Or not, I don't know. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hummm? The guys working at Hydromatic in Ypsilanti might argue about GM not building automatic transmissions with you, Paul. However, I will note that unless the changed the laws over in Japan GM does not own Isuzu, the Japanese government does not (or at least did not) allow foreign control of Japanese Companies. Paul Stenquist wrote: Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, but it's not their part. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
They relaxed that a couple of years after the Japanese banking system began to melt down. At 11:40 PM 10/12/03, you wrote: Hummm? The guys working at Hydromatic in Ypsilanti might argue about GM not building automatic transmissions with you, Paul. However, I will note that unless the changed the laws over in Japan GM does not own Isuzu, the Japanese government does not (or at least did not) allow foreign control of Japanese Companies. Paul Stenquist wrote: Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, but it's not their part. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... I still want to hear about that tranny! Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km (thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired). Cost two and a half grand to fix. I was mighty impressed. Apparently, it's the same unit they put into one of the Cadillacs. When the well fills up again, I am going to buy another made in Japan Nissan. The Nissan Axxess was the best car I have ever owned. William Robb -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway." I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Auto-tranny, no way, I like to have control over my machines, not the other way around. Ten years and 230,000 miles and the damned thing just came apart. Then don't build them like they used to, and its a good thing too... At 02:00 PM 10/12/03, you wrote: Automatic tranny? I only have 1/10 the miles on my 4 year old SW-2 Saturn wagon, but it's a stick with a 5 speed tranny. I'm still very well pleased with the quality and - so far - durability. I've owned foreign sports cars, and later coupes and sports sedans since 1956, far preferring the handling and performance over U.S. designed and built machines. I'm pleased to say I recognize and appreciate the vast improvement in most American cars in the intervening period... My Saturn handles very like a fine European or Japanese sports sedan. It's appointed like they used to be, not cheap and cheesy like the American iron used to be, years ago. Also, I've noticed the same attention to detail and reliability for other U.S. made cars in the last 4 to 5 years. American-made cars deserve the new attention they're getting. They've made vast strides. I still want to hear about that tranny! keith whaley Peter Alling wrote: > > My Saturn went approximately 230,000 statute miles that's 370,149 KM for > the those impaired by > using the Metric system. My mechanic congratulated me by the way, not the > for extraordinary mileage > but the way the tranny destroyed itself, his exact words were, "I've only > seen BMW's hand-grenade like that!" I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: Vs: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > GM does own Isuzu, much like they own Saab and a number of other > companies. But they don't build Isuzu cars or Saab cars. Nor do they > build the transmission Bill is complaining about. They do make GM cars, > which have scored extremely well on both initial satisfaction surveys > and long term durability surveys. Do they make GM food too? ;-) Jostein
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
William Johnson: Yeah, GM owns SAAB now, but I know looking at the new models that the key is still between the seats! :-) Yes, but it's electronic, and you don't have to put it in reverse to take the key out! anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Hi, Tom, I think that Chrysler (sorry, I just can't call them Daimler-Chrysler, even though I know that's what they are) bought shares of only the motor vehicle division of Mitshibushi, not the entire conglomerate. I do recall that when the deal was announced several years ago, it was mentioned that it was somehow appropriate, as Chrysler was the first American to re-badge Japanese cars (as you mentioned, it was the Colt) some 20 years ago or so. I used to own a Colt. It was the most bland car I ever owned. Bland styling. Bland acceleration. Bland interior. All the damned thing did was carry a family of three and their luggage around the country at about 50 MPG for a couple of years, and then give me a pretty good trade in price when we had a second kid, and needed a Taurus for it's size. That was back when I used to own cars. And houses. Back when I was married. I could go on, but I shan't. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:30:36 -0400 Daimler-Chrysler holds a majority share, and thus control, of the largest industrial conglomerate in Japan? _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Bob S: For a less flattering comparison, I'd think about Saab's. My experience is dated, but I think about the 2 cycle engines firing by, butt ugly cars, and the odd folks who owned them. They were irrationally loyal - a good match for Pentax camera loyalists. Yes, veeery dated... Those... ahem... specimens you think about are from the days when SAABs were built of surplus parts from WWII military aircraft production. Nowadays SAAB is a regular, midrange car, and has been for decades. I rented a SAAB last weekend for a 250 mile roundtrip in Western Sweden and it was very amazing with lots and lots of electronic features to make the driving experience smooth. First time I drive one, actually, even though I live in the country where thery're from. anders - http://anders.hultman.nu/
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, > and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them > from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, > but it's not their part. Understood. Up here we just call it that damned piece of crap GM tranny. I presume they have it built to a certain specification though. William Robb
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Hydramatic is a closely allied supplier much like Delphi, and GM owns a majority share. But GM sources transmissions from a number of companies. I believe GM does own part of Isuza. I know for certain that Ford has a large share of Mazda, and DaimlerChrylser has a majority share of Mitsubishi. graywolf wrote: > Hummm? The guys working at Hydromatic in Ypsilanti might argue about > GM not building automatic transmissions with you, Paul. > > However, I will note that unless the changed the laws over in Japan GM > does not own Isuzu, the Japanese government does not (or at least did > not) allow foreign control of Japanese Companies. > > Paul Stenquist wrote: > > > Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, > > and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them > > from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, > > but it's not their part. > > > > William Robb wrote: > > > >>- Original Message - > >>From: "Keith Whaley" > >>Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > >> > >> > >>>I still want to hear about that tranny! > >> > >>Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km > >>(thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired). > >>Cost two and a half grand to fix. > >>I was mighty impressed. > >>Apparently, it's the same unit they put into one of the Cadillacs. > >>When the well fills up again, I am going to buy another made in Japan > >>Nissan. > >>The Nissan Axxess was the best car I have ever owned. > >> > >>William Robb > > > > > > > > -- > graywolf > http://graywolfphoto.com > > "You might as well accept people as they are, > you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Oh yes, Frank. There is a lot of that going on. The Isuzu PUP and the Chevy S-10 pickup were both built on the same assembly line in California. Different drive trains and minor trim but essensially the same vehicle. The Ford Explorer and the Mazda 4x4 were build an the same assembly line in Flat Rock, Mi. The Malibu was a Toyota also made in California. All the Geo were rebadged whatevers. If you looked closely at the mini vans you had to noticed that despite there being 20 or so of them on the market there really were only 2 or 3 different bodies involved. A lot of Japanese Companies are trading partners with US companies. It is getting very hard to tell who makes what where. Look at digital cameras, it is no coincidence that many of them resemble others of different brands. They are actually the same cameras with different trim, features, and name tags. As Lee Iakoca(sp?) said, "You should buy Korean built American cars, and not those American built Japanese cars". I know that is not how he worded it but that is eactly what he was saying (Dodge Colt v. Honda Accord). We live in a global market run by ivy league bean counters, that is a simple fact of life these days. frank theriault wrote: Maybe GM didn't own Isuzu, but wasn't there a marketing agreement between the two, maybe 10 years back? I can't remember, but I'm sure that GM rebadged some Isuzu product for US sales. Much like they rebadged Toyota Corollas as Novas (that wasn't a flop, was it?). Damn, what was it? They weren't really marketed as a GM car (sort of like a Japanese Saturn, they had their own "division"). Not Geo. Damn, this is going to piss me off. If I think of it later, I'll Google GM/Isuzu, I'm sure something will come up. I recall it was around the time that Isuzu sold something with a "suspension tuned by Lotus" badge on it - I think GM may have had shares of Lotus too? Or not, I don't know. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hummm? The guys working at Hydromatic in Ypsilanti might argue about GM not building automatic transmissions with you, Paul. However, I will note that unless the changed the laws over in Japan GM does not own Isuzu, the Japanese government does not (or at least did not) allow foreign control of Japanese Companies. Paul Stenquist wrote: Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, but it's not their part. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Maybe GM didn't own Isuzu, but wasn't there a marketing agreement between the two, maybe 10 years back? I can't remember, but I'm sure that GM rebadged some Isuzu product for US sales. Much like they rebadged Toyota Corollas as Novas (that wasn't a flop, was it?). Damn, what was it? They weren't really marketed as a GM car (sort of like a Japanese Saturn, they had their own "division"). Not Geo. Damn, this is going to piss me off. If I think of it later, I'll Google GM/Isuzu, I'm sure something will come up. I recall it was around the time that Isuzu sold something with a "suspension tuned by Lotus" badge on it - I think GM may have had shares of Lotus too? Or not, I don't know. cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hummm? The guys working at Hydromatic in Ypsilanti might argue about GM not building automatic transmissions with you, Paul. However, I will note that unless the changed the laws over in Japan GM does not own Isuzu, the Japanese government does not (or at least did not) allow foreign control of Japanese Companies. Paul Stenquist wrote: Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, but it's not their part. _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Good story Frank, Yeah, they're kind of odd cars, the engine sits in backwards (clutch and flywheel out front by the radiator), the ignition is on the floor between the seats, but it is fun to drive. And they do seem to have a following, kind of a subculture. I kind of fell into mine and discovered all this after owning it a while. Yeah, GM owns SAAB now, but I know looking at the new models that the key is still between the seats! :-) William in Utah. - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > William, > > When you mentioned much earlier in this thread that you have a Saab, I was > thinking that might be an apt automotive comparison to Pentax. Especially a > couple of years ago, before GM (is it GM that owns them?) acquired them, and > they were still a bit of an oddity over here. > > Somewhat iconoclastic, with an almost cultlike following, not exactly trend > setters, but what they do well, they do very well, at a reasonable price. > > My favourite Saab story comes from one of their first models, with the 2 > cycle engine. Apparently, the fanbelt was behind the engine, and a shaft > went over the top of the engine to the fan, in the front of the engine > compartment. Owners were fond of saying that their Saab had an "overhead > fanshaft" (keeping in mind that at this time - late 50's - an overhead > camshaft was only found on the most exotic racing engines). > > Oh well, I thought it was funny, anyway... > > > > cheers, > frank > > > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > > > > > >From: "William Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > >Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:20:18 -0600 > > > >Hey, I resemble that comment! Well, mine's not that old, and it doesn't > >have a 2 cycle motor, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I doubt > >few would question about me being odd. > > > >:-) > > > >William in Utah. > > _ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > >
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
5-speed 2000 SW2 here, also; with about 57,000 miles on it. Never owned a car with an automatic transmission. Won't buy an SLR without DOF preview, either. Have not been following this post but I think if Pentax were an automobile company it would be a subaru. Useful, well designed, not flashy and every once in a while a real gem comes out of the pack I own two subaru wagons. Had a coupe love 'em to death Almost as much as my LX's Vic
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Hummm? The guys working at Hydromatic in Ypsilanti might argue about GM not building automatic transmissions with you, Paul. However, I will note that unless the changed the laws over in Japan GM does not own Isuzu, the Japanese government does not (or at least did not) allow foreign control of Japanese Companies. Paul Stenquist wrote: Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, but it's not their part. William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... I still want to hear about that tranny! Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km (thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired). Cost two and a half grand to fix. I was mighty impressed. Apparently, it's the same unit they put into one of the Cadillacs. When the well fills up again, I am going to buy another made in Japan Nissan. The Nissan Axxess was the best car I have ever owned. William Robb -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
RE: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
Yeah, I bought a 306 4 years ago, when I dumped by disastrous Rover Coupe which had spent more time in the garage than out of it. Don't want to go there... Back to Pugs, I bought mine because I knew at least 6 other people who had run theirs for years with absolutely no problems whatsoever. The thing went to the garage unscheduled once - because the clutch pedal was squeaking. One spray of WD-40 is the only thing other than routine servicing (every 20K miles, so only one of those, plus the first FREE 6K inspection) that it EVER needed (apart from tyres - but this cant be blamed on Pug)! Having said that, while the reliability was fantastic, they cannot touch the german marques for quality. Having had a BMW in the past and now an Audi, they aint even close. A 1990 3 series beats the most exotic Peugeot for quality hands down even today. > -Original Message- > From: Cotty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 12 October 2003 12:43 > To: pentax list > Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd > make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen > > > On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make > sure I wasn't > > getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen > > Peugot in the UK has an excellent quality reputation AFAIK, > and some of the hottest cars around. > > This from what I've heard...I don't drive cars. > > > > > Cheers, > Cotty > > > ___/\__ > || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche > ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps > _ > Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk > > >
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No problem. I did get that post about an hour and 20 minutes ago... keith Cotty wrote: > > Sorry - reposting cuz my email app is having a spasm with the subject > line and it keeps coming out with gobbledy-guck. Sorta like the content. > > * > > On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: > > >HUH? What DO you drive? Or do you? Velocipede, motorcycle, what? > > 1978: 1971 Rover 2000 SC > 1979: 1972 Simca 1100 > 1980: 1978 Renault 5 Gordini (last car owned) [. . .] etc., snipped
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On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Okay, I like that list. (I work on Jeep advertising for Europe, Asia >Pacific, and South America.) >Paul One of the projects that I want to do before I die is build a CJ5 from scratch. I will do it, maybe not for 20 years but hell's teeth I Will Do It. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Been meaning to ask you, Cot, ol' pal, what do you think of Land Rovers? >No, tell the truth! They carry lots of Pentax gear. (Yeah, swings it back, baby. Swings it back!) Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >that's a nice selection! >However, I miss the Landrover Freelander (best 4x4xfar :-) ) >Hans B. Danke. They dealer lets me play in a Freelander when the Disco is in for a service. Like being on a skateboard! Q: What's the fastest car in the world? A rental car Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Sorry - reposting cuz my email app is having a spasm with the subject line and it keeps coming out with gobbledy-guck. Sorta like the content. * On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >HUH? What DO you drive? Or do you? Velocipede, motorcycle, what? 1978: 1971 Rover 2000 SC 1979: 1972 Simca 1100 1980: 1978 Renault 5 Gordini (last car owned) 1983: Suzuki SJ410 new 1984: Jeep CJ7 4.2 used 1985: 1958 Land Rover Series 1 1986: 1972 Range Rover 1987: 1969 Land Rover series 2a 1988: 1975 Range Rover 1989: 1987 Land Rover Ninety (wife/family) 1989: new Ford Sierra Estate (company vehicle) 1994: Land Rover Discovery new (company vehicle) 1997: 1989 Land Rover One Ten (wife/family) 1997: new Land Rover Discovery (company vehicle) 1998: 1994 Range Rover 200 Tdi (wife/family) 2000: new Land Rover Ninety (company vehicle) 2003: new Land Rover Discovery new (company vehicle) 2003: 1994 Jeep Cherokee 4.2 (wife/family) .you *did* ask. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Paul, I would like to think that Boris was ROFL about: Being a consumer (I consumed one in April, very tough to get down ;)) If he was, I take a bow. Boris? Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > Boris may think it's funny, but Mercedes-Benz doesn't. They're getting > their ass kicked worldwide. > > Boris Liberman wrote: > > > > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:51:04 -0700 > > "Steve Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hi Paul, > > > GM does has a higher quality rating than Benz at the moment, > > >they (GM) have come a long way in the last five years. Being > > >a consumer (I consumed one in April, very tough to get down ;)) > > > > ROFL... > > > > Boris > >
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Hi! I am pretty sure that GM owns Isuzu or a large part of it. My Opel (a GM car) has diesel engine built by Isuzu - in Japan or Austria, hard to tell. Now Isuzu makes diesels for European GM cars in Poland, too. All the best! Raimo Photos at http://personal.inet.fi/private/raimo.korhonen - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 9:13 PM Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, > and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them > from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, > but it's not their part. > > William Robb wrote: > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Keith Whaley" > > Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > > > > > I still want to hear about that tranny! > > > > Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km > > (thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired). > > Cost two and a half grand to fix. > > I was mighty impressed. > > Apparently, it's the same unit they put into one of the Cadillacs. > > When the well fills up again, I am going to buy another made in Japan > > Nissan. > > The Nissan Axxess was the best car I have ever owned. > > > > William Robb >
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Thanks. I got rid of a '71 250C Mercedes one time, because I'd already put so much in the car (well-used when I bought it) I was scared to death that if the massively complicated auto tranny went south, I'd be in a world of hurt, trying to come up with enough money to fix or replace it... I really missed that 'Benz, but next car, I went back to manual transmissions... keith William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Whaley" > Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > > > Auto or stick? > > Auto. > > William Robb
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >> Peugot in the UK has an excellent quality reputation AFAIK, and some of >> the hottest cars around. > >> This from what I've heard...I don't drive cars. > >you just ride around in helicopters instead, eh? ;o) Land Rovers! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Uh, Bill, I hate to burst your bubble, but Isuzu isn't an American car, and it isn't a GM car. GM doesn't build transmissions. They buy them from suppliers, same as Isuzu. It might be the same trans that GM uses, but it's not their part. William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Whaley" > Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > > > I still want to hear about that tranny! > > Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km > (thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired). > Cost two and a half grand to fix. > I was mighty impressed. > Apparently, it's the same unit they put into one of the Cadillacs. > When the well fills up again, I am going to buy another made in Japan > Nissan. > The Nissan Axxess was the best car I have ever owned. > > William Robb
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Boris may think it's funny, but Mercedes-Benz doesn't. They're getting their ass kicked worldwide. Boris Liberman wrote: > > On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:51:04 -0700 > "Steve Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi Paul, > > GM does has a higher quality rating than Benz at the moment, > >they (GM) have come a long way in the last five years. Being > >a consumer (I consumed one in April, very tough to get down ;)) > > ROFL... > > Boris
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- Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > Auto or stick? Auto. William Robb
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Auto or stick? keith William Robb wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Whaley" > Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > > > I still want to hear about that tranny! > > Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km > (thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired). > Cost two and a half grand to fix. > I was mighty impressed. > Apparently, it's the same unit they put into one of the Cadillacs. > When the well fills up again, I am going to buy another made in Japan > Nissan. > The Nissan Axxess was the best car I have ever owned. > > William Robb
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- Original Message - From: "Keith Whaley" Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > I still want to hear about that tranny! Well, the GM built tranny in my Isuzu went south after less than 100,000 km (thats 62,500 miles for the metrically impaired). Cost two and a half grand to fix. I was mighty impressed. Apparently, it's the same unit they put into one of the Cadillacs. When the well fills up again, I am going to buy another made in Japan Nissan. The Nissan Axxess was the best car I have ever owned. William Robb
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Automatic tranny? I only have 1/10 the miles on my 4 year old SW-2 Saturn wagon, but it's a stick with a 5 speed tranny. I'm still very well pleased with the quality and - so far - durability. I've owned foreign sports cars, and later coupes and sports sedans since 1956, far preferring the handling and performance over U.S. designed and built machines. I'm pleased to say I recognize and appreciate the vast improvement in most American cars in the intervening period... My Saturn handles very like a fine European or Japanese sports sedan. It's appointed like they used to be, not cheap and cheesy like the American iron used to be, years ago. Also, I've noticed the same attention to detail and reliability for other U.S. made cars in the last 4 to 5 years. American-made cars deserve the new attention they're getting. They've made vast strides. I still want to hear about that tranny! keith whaley Peter Alling wrote: > > My Saturn went approximately 230,000 statute miles that's 370,149 KM for > the those impaired by > using the Metric system. My mechanic congratulated me by the way, not the > for extraordinary mileage > but the way the tranny destroyed itself, his exact words were, "I've only > seen BMW's hand-grenade like that!"
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On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 06:51:04 -0700 "Steve Larson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Paul, GM does has a higher quality rating than Benz at the moment, they (GM) have come a long way in the last five years. Being a consumer (I consumed one in April, very tough to get down ;)) ROFL... Boris
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Hi Paul, GM does has a higher quality rating than Benz at the moment, they (GM) have come a long way in the last five years. Being a consumer (I consumed one in April, very tough to get down ;)) I`ve got to say I`m very pleased with our Chevy TrailBlazer 4X4. I had my reservations about Chevy, being a Ford guy all my life, but I got such a good deal on it I couldn`t turn it down. Now we`re a Ford and Chevrolet family. Steve Larson Redondo Beach, California - Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > > > > > Maybe, but it will take a generation for them to shed their poor quality > > lets dupe the public image. > > I don't think so. Look how quickly Mercedes-Benz has shed their high > quality image. And GM sales are strong and getting stronger. The > consumers seem to disagree with you. > > > I still remember the flap when > > it was discovered that GM was putting auto transmissions designed for the > > Chevette in full size Caddys, > It's not feasible, and it never happened. It's another urban legend, > probably a Ralph Nader urban legend. > Paul > >
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
On 12/10/03, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged: >Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't > getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen Peugot in the UK has an excellent quality reputation AFAIK, and some of the hottest cars around. This from what I've heard...I don't drive cars. Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=| www.macads.co.uk/snaps _ Free UK Mac Ads www.macads.co.uk
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Paul wrote: PS> But Peugeot has a quality problem. Pentax does not. I wouldn't know as I never had issues with either. Admittedly I keep both in great shape and ready for launch. Come to think of it, it's remarkable how well they team together when it comes to get at the right time and spot to take the right shot. At least so it went this summer for three weeks across France, at the peak of the hottest summer as remembered in Europe. BTW Paul, when was it that Peugeot got this reputation, as I understand in the nineties there was a serious change in management that focused the company on innovation and efficiency. Maybe before that? Servus, Alin
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Ryan wrote: RL> Btw, being Peugeois, you must have watched Taxi and Taxi 2? Think it was Luc RL> Besson.. hilarious French Fry Peugeots taking potshots at them Germ Mercs. RL> Good veg out movies.. Hi Ryan, Actually I'll pick up the Taxi 2 to cheer up the rainy day that glooms tomorrow. If it's only half as the first Taxi then I expect one piece of sane tasteful humour. :o) Servus, Alin
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
I'll leave that for the Peugeot owners to take it up with ya.. Alin? :) Rgds, Ryan From: "Paul Stenquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen > But Peugeot has a quality problem. Pentax does not. > On Thursday, October 9, 2003, at 12:18 AM, Ryan Lee wrote: > > > mmm.. Pentax to maybe Peugeot..not the first cars/cameras looked at by > > consumers, though it rings a bell. Consumer access to brilliant easy > > handling mechanics in a small package (Peugeot 206/ MZ,ZX-5n). Sleeky > > flagship MZ-S, Coupe 406 (especially that one with the leather > > interior!).. > > And having a bit of a presence in medium format (645n II.. compact/easy > > handling, wide range of good lenses) while Peugeot's got a bit of a > > presence > > in WRC with the 206 (compact/easy handling) and a great crew.. Oh also > > for P > > & P, not enough following to make their lenses/cars cheap.. > > > > or maybe Mazda. MX5 being small (some people say too small) luxy > > though not > > quite a BMW roadster, MZ5n small, some people say too small, luxy, > > though > > specwise, arguably not a pro-ish camera. Plus did I mention a whole > > bunch of > > non-spectacular consumer cars/cams.. And not the best marketing (but > > with so > > much potential).. > > > > On another note.. It would be interesting I think if Pentax tried > > making an > > automobile.. Wouldn't that look curious- a Pentax crest on your > > bonnet.. I > > also thought it'd be interesting to see Schott windows/windscreens! > > Though > > I'd settle to see a Sigma EX APO windscreen on its own.. > > > > Ryan
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Paul wrote: They've learned more than that. Look at the JD Power results for both initial satisfaction and long term durability. GM is now right at the top of the heap. Which only goes to prove that cubic dollars can make it happen. Maybe, but it will take a generation for them to shed their poor quality lets dupe the public image. My understanding is that the highest quality rated cars of 20 years ago had more problems then an average rated car today. So as long as the Japanese keep building relatively trouble free cars they will be considered more dependable. I still remember the flap when it was discovered that GM was putting auto transmissions designed for the Chevette in full size Caddys, Stuff like that stays in the back of the mind for a long time. Butch Each man had only one genuine vocation - to find the way to himself. Hermann Hesse (Demian)
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>alex wetmore wrote: > > So did I get lost in the car forum or is this supposed to be the > Pentax forum? I think I'm remembering why I dropped off of it a few > years ago. > Come on Alex, you should know that it only takes one mention of a classic car or bike to set the boys off with their nostalgic pinings ;-) To bring the car theme back to cameras, we're off for a pose in the park tomorrow to take photies of the pretty autumn leaves. http://www.beard-redfern.com/photos/stag.jpg wendy beard ottawa, canada http://www.beard-redfern.com
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I don't want to talk about cars anymore, either. Didja hear the one about the gun-toting abortionist? cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: Keith Whaley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:50:47 -0700 alex wetmore wrote: > > So did I get lost in the car forum or is this supposed to be the > Pentax forum? I think I'm remembering why I dropped off of it a few > years ago. Don't be a wet blanket, Sir Wetmore... keith whaley > > Hopefully we can have more camera discussion than car discussion > over the next few days. > > alex _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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William, When you mentioned much earlier in this thread that you have a Saab, I was thinking that might be an apt automotive comparison to Pentax. Especially a couple of years ago, before GM (is it GM that owns them?) acquired them, and they were still a bit of an oddity over here. Somewhat iconoclastic, with an almost cultlike following, not exactly trend setters, but what they do well, they do very well, at a reasonable price. My favourite Saab story comes from one of their first models, with the 2 cycle engine. Apparently, the fanbelt was behind the engine, and a shaft went over the top of the engine to the fan, in the front of the engine compartment. Owners were fond of saying that their Saab had an "overhead fanshaft" (keeping in mind that at this time - late 50's - an overhead camshaft was only found on the most exotic racing engines). Oh well, I thought it was funny, anyway... cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: "William Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 16:20:18 -0600 Hey, I resemble that comment! Well, mine's not that old, and it doesn't have a 2 cycle motor, but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I doubt few would question about me being odd. :-) William in Utah. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Well, whaddya know? That's the real company name, not a nickname. It was originally derived from "Rotary+Lotus"; the original cars were mostly rotary-engined. They ended up with three variants using Mazda engines (including one with twin turbos!), and some pretty frightening conventional engines (the GM 5.6L V8 or the Buick lightweight 3.8L V8), as well as somewhat tamer (and more sensible) options. Both those big V8s are popular with the after-market car tuners; with no trouble at all you can have well over 300HP under your right foot. Even with improved suspension and much wider and stickier rubber than the original, that's one heck of a lot of power in a car that light. And that's by no means the limit. I'm pretty certain that the Buick engine is the one used in the Grand National, which means that it can be turbocharged in addition to all the other little tweaks. I don't even want to think about what sort of power you could end up with if you really tried. Certainly well over 500HP. > What are they REALLY called, then? > > keith > > John Francis wrote: > > > > > > > > Caterham has improved them a bit. Many more engine options. De Dion rear > > > suspension. Actual seats that slide forward and backward to adjust for > > > different sized drivers. > > > > > > But, they're still pretty basic, elemental things, that go like stink. > > > > I'm sure it's anathema to mention them in front of true believers, but > > if you really want one that goes like stink the Japanese ripoff (often > > referred to as a Rotus) will run rings round most real 7s. >
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No. Neither have I heard of any such. What might it be? keith Stephen Moore wrote: > > frank theriault wrote, re Lotus: > > > One day, if I win the lottery... > > I've got a new (lottery) lust object, soon to appear > this side of the pond. Have you seen the Elise? > > Regards, > Stephen
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What are they REALLY called, then? keith John Francis wrote: > > > > > Caterham has improved them a bit. Many more engine options. De Dion rear > > suspension. Actual seats that slide forward and backward to adjust for > > different sized drivers. > > > > But, they're still pretty basic, elemental things, that go like stink. > > I'm sure it's anathema to mention them in front of true believers, but > if you really want one that goes like stink the Japanese ripoff (often > referred to as a Rotus) will run rings round most real 7s.
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frank theriault wrote, re Lotus: > One day, if I win the lottery... I've got a new (lottery) lust object, soon to appear this side of the pond. Have you seen the Elise? Regards, Stephen
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On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:40:10 -0700, Keith Whaley wrote: > Once I think they offered a kit for a fairly reasonable price. > Don't know what they did...deliver this huge crate to your front lawn? Most of the kits are the frame (or the rails and you weld them up) and some suspension components and the interior (or parts of it) and you have to supply the driveline (at least) from donors. Still an inexpensive way to get a car that's a lot of fun. TTYL, DougF KG4LMZ
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> > Caterham has improved them a bit. Many more engine options. De Dion rear > suspension. Actual seats that slide forward and backward to adjust for > different sized drivers. > > But, they're still pretty basic, elemental things, that go like stink. I'm sure it's anathema to mention them in front of true believers, but if you really want one that goes like stink the Japanese ripoff (often referred to as a Rotus) will run rings round most real 7s.
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I've hankered for a Lotus Seven for half my life, it seems! Once I think they offered a kit for a fairly reasonable price. Don't know what they did...deliver this huge crate to your front lawn? Hell, I'd have had to quit work for 6 or so months, to build the car. But talk about raw fun! I suspect one of the few cars that might match it in pur sang fun would have been an early 4-banger Morgan. Ahhh, the good old days... keith frank theriault wrote: > > Hi, Tom, > > Yep, Sevens are still around. Now they're being made by Caterham, having > acquired the rights from Lotus some 30 years ago. They were originally > designed as an auto-crosser for those who couldn't afford to trailer them, > so they were street legal, and could be driven to and from the events. > > Caterham has improved them a bit. Many more engine options. De Dion rear > suspension. Actual seats that slide forward and backward to adjust for > different sized drivers. > > But, they're still pretty basic, elemental things, that go like stink. > > I know that when Lotus made them you could get the motorcycle fenders, or > "clamshell" ones. I always thought the clamshells looked cooler, but > apparently they caused lift at high speeds, so that's likely why they aren't > made anymore. > > One day, if I win the lottery... > > cheers, > frank > > "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist > fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > > >From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > >Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:34:02 -0400 > > > >Gee, the Super 7 still lives. I really wanted one of those when I was a > >tad. Tell's you how long those things have been around, they had cycle type > >front fenders back then. > > > >frank theriault wrote: > > > >>I'd give my left - well, my left something - for a Caterham Super > >>Seven. With the most powerful engine option, they'll do, what, like a 4.1 > >>second 0-100kmph? That's ultra-exotic territory, for a small fraction of > >>the price. Even cheaper, if you assemble it yourself! > >> > >>Do they still have a few of the eccentricities of the old Lotii? Like the > >>outside exhaust pipe, that would burn your leg when getting out of the car > >>if you weren't careful? I'm sure that with the roof up, you have to do > >>the "Seven Scissors Entry" technique; what would any Super Seven be > >>without that? > >> > >>BTW, Collin, Jags are quite reliable these days, ever since being bought > >>out by Ford. This weekend, in fact, I'm going on a little road trip with > >>my only rich friend, in his XK8. He bought it when they first came out, > >>what, around 6 years ago? Hasn't had a problem with it yet. > >> > >>I don't get to ride in a Jag very often. It's a wonderful feeling. You > >>~know~ all the young ladies aren't looking at you, it's the car. But, you > >>don't care a whit! > >> > >>cheers, > >>frank > >> > >> > >> > >>"The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The > >>pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > >>>Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:06:49 +0100 > >>> > >>>Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun. > >>> > >>>In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car... > >>> > >>>m > >>> > >>>Robert Gonzalez wrote: > >>> > > >>> > How bout: > >>> > > >>> > Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end > >>> > Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative > >>> > Chrysler - never the leader, good mix of features but never > >>>outstanding > >>> > > >>> > Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > >>> > > ... which one would it be more like? > >>> > > > >>> > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > >>> > > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > >>> > > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > >>> > > > >>> > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > >>> > > > >>> > > Collin > >>> > > KC8TKA > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > >> > >>_ > >>The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > >> > >> > > > >-- > >graywolf > >http://graywolfphoto.com > > > >"You might as well accept people as they are, > >you are not going to be able to change them anyway." > > > > > > _ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Hi, Tom, Yep, Sevens are still around. Now they're being made by Caterham, having acquired the rights from Lotus some 30 years ago. They were originally designed as an auto-crosser for those who couldn't afford to trailer them, so they were street legal, and could be driven to and from the events. Caterham has improved them a bit. Many more engine options. De Dion rear suspension. Actual seats that slide forward and backward to adjust for different sized drivers. But, they're still pretty basic, elemental things, that go like stink. I know that when Lotus made them you could get the motorcycle fenders, or "clamshell" ones. I always thought the clamshells looked cooler, but apparently they caused lift at high speeds, so that's likely why they aren't made anymore. One day, if I win the lottery... cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: graywolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:34:02 -0400 Gee, the Super 7 still lives. I really wanted one of those when I was a tad. Tell's you how long those things have been around, they had cycle type front fenders back then. frank theriault wrote: I'd give my left - well, my left something - for a Caterham Super Seven. With the most powerful engine option, they'll do, what, like a 4.1 second 0-100kmph? That's ultra-exotic territory, for a small fraction of the price. Even cheaper, if you assemble it yourself! Do they still have a few of the eccentricities of the old Lotii? Like the outside exhaust pipe, that would burn your leg when getting out of the car if you weren't careful? I'm sure that with the roof up, you have to do the "Seven Scissors Entry" technique; what would any Super Seven be without that? BTW, Collin, Jags are quite reliable these days, ever since being bought out by Ford. This weekend, in fact, I'm going on a little road trip with my only rich friend, in his XK8. He bought it when they first came out, what, around 6 years ago? Hasn't had a problem with it yet. I don't get to ride in a Jag very often. It's a wonderful feeling. You ~know~ all the young ladies aren't looking at you, it's the car. But, you don't care a whit! cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:06:49 +0100 Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun. In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car... m Robert Gonzalez wrote: > > How bout: > > Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end > Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative > Chrysler - never the leader, good mix of features but never outstanding > > Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > > ... which one would it be more like? > > > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > > > Collin > > KC8TKA > > > > _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway." _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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<< See: http://www.caterham.co.uk/ >> See:http://www.old-jalopies-I-have-owned.com/rusty-jap.htm
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Uhhh, that's "Giulietta." The Spider version. Thankfully, I rarely had to spell it! keith Keith Whaley wrote: > > Well, I once had a white 1958 Guilletta. Still have a set of ball joints > for the front end! Never did replace them... > Loved that car! [. . .]
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Stephen Moore a écrit: Michel Carrère-Gée wrote: Alfa Romeo for me ! Yes! Especially the pre-Fiat Alfas: wonderful performance and handling, and a (mostly) charming set of idiosyncrasies, sneaking under the mainstream radar. Not to mention a hard core of aficionados. It never surprised me that I've wound up with an Alfa and a Pentax. Sure, but modern 156 and 147 aren good cars ! But wat for futures "Alfopel" with the Fiat-GM connection ? Ah, if it was as easy to collect Alfa's that Pentax. Michel
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Well, I once had a white 1958 Guilletta. Still have a set of ball joints
for the front end! Never did replace them...
Loved that car!
keith
Stephen Moore wrote:
>
> Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
>
> > Alfa Romeo
> >for me !
>
> Yes! Especially the pre-Fiat Alfas: wonderful performance
> and handling, and a (mostly) charming set of idiosyncrasies,
> sneaking under the mainstream radar. Not to mention a hard
> core of aficionados. It never surprised me that I've wound
> up with an Alfa and a Pentax.
>
> Regards,
>
> Stephen
> ('69 roundtail Spider, a project car far too long...)
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
Hi Alin, Yep I think Peugeot's going to be feeding that 206 fire for quite a while. I think Pentax is just getting lazy.. I think now that they've come up with the *ist D, they're going to be working on another digital body (alas poor filmies..). Nevertheless, I'm more than pleased with my MZ-5n.. wonderful wonderful camera. I wish it could print frame details (a la MZ-S or Nikon F80?) on the negs though, or if it came with an IR remote.. wouldn't mind a dedicated wireless slave flash too.. no no.. must stop listing.. luxuries..ack.. Btw, being Peugeois, you must have watched Taxi and Taxi 2? Think it was Luc Besson.. hilarious French Fry Peugeots taking potshots at them Germ Mercs. Good veg out movies.. :), Ryan - Original Message - From: "Alin Flaider" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ryan Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen > Hi Ryan, > > So I guess it's not by accident I ended up with Pentax and Peugeot! > ;o) > Both eternal contenders, both off the mainstream, both with sleek, > stylish design, both excelling in ergonomics, both appealing to > strong personalities that want a distinctive look and feel... > > Though I must say while Peugeot hints to a commitment along the 206 > series, Pentax shows lately signs of departing from the MZ-5n retro > line and going back to the safety of running with the pack. It may > work for a while but won't be sane in the long term, as proved by > the past. So I'm pretty sure they'll have to go back once again to > the solitary condition; only hope they'll be left with enough > creativity to build their own way again. > > Servus, Alin > > Ryan wrote: > RL> mmm.. Pentax to maybe Peugeot..not the first cars/cameras looked at by > RL> consumers, though it rings a bell. Consumer access to brilliant easy > RL> handling mechanics in a small package (Peugeot 206/ MZ,ZX-5n). Sleeky > RL> flagship MZ-S, Coupe 406 (especially that one with the leather interior!).. > RL> And having a bit of a presence in medium format (645n II.. compact/easy > RL> handling, wide range of good lenses) while Peugeot's got a bit of a presence > RL> in WRC with the 206 (compact/easy handling) and a great crew.. Oh also for P > RL> & P, not enough following to make their lenses/cars cheap.. > > RL> or maybe Mazda. MX5 being small (some people say too small) luxy though not > RL> quite a BMW roadster, MZ5n small, some people say too small, luxy, though > RL> specwise, arguably not a pro-ish camera. Plus did I mention a whole bunch of > RL> non-spectacular consumer cars/cams.. And not the best marketing (but with so > RL> much potential).. > > RL> On another note.. It would be interesting I think if Pentax tried making an > RL> automobile.. Wouldn't that look curious- a Pentax crest on your bonnet.. I > RL> also thought it'd be interesting to see Schott windows/windscreens! Though > RL> I'd settle to see a Sigma EX APO windscreen on its own.. > > RL> Ryan > >
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Michel Carrère-Gée wrote:
> Alfa Romeo
>for me !
Yes! Especially the pre-Fiat Alfas: wonderful performance
and handling, and a (mostly) charming set of idiosyncrasies,
sneaking under the mainstream radar. Not to mention a hard
core of aficionados. It never surprised me that I've wound
up with an Alfa and a Pentax.
Regards,
Stephen
('69 roundtail Spider, a project car far too long...)
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
- Original Message - From: "Paul Stenquist" Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > By the way, GM quality ratings on the latest JD power reports exceeds > that of Jaguar, Mercedes, and a lot of other big name marques. You mean they have finally learned how to build an automatic transmisson that won't self destruct in a hundred thousand kilometers? William Robb
If Pentax were like an automobile company... I'd make sure I wasn't getting a Tamron rebadged windscreen
mmm.. Pentax to maybe Peugeot..not the first cars/cameras looked at by consumers, though it rings a bell. Consumer access to brilliant easy handling mechanics in a small package (Peugeot 206/ MZ,ZX-5n). Sleeky flagship MZ-S, Coupe 406 (especially that one with the leather interior!).. And having a bit of a presence in medium format (645n II.. compact/easy handling, wide range of good lenses) while Peugeot's got a bit of a presence in WRC with the 206 (compact/easy handling) and a great crew.. Oh also for P & P, not enough following to make their lenses/cars cheap.. or maybe Mazda. MX5 being small (some people say too small) luxy though not quite a BMW roadster, MZ5n small, some people say too small, luxy, though specwise, arguably not a pro-ish camera. Plus did I mention a whole bunch of non-spectacular consumer cars/cams.. And not the best marketing (but with so much potential).. On another note.. It would be interesting I think if Pentax tried making an automobile.. Wouldn't that look curious- a Pentax crest on your bonnet.. I also thought it'd be interesting to see Schott windows/windscreens! Though I'd settle to see a Sigma EX APO windscreen on its own.. Ryan > > ... which one would it be more like? > > > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > > > Collin > > KC8TKA > > > >
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Yea, I couldn't afford mine either. It was fun while it lasted. At 04:39 PM 10/8/03 -0600, you wrote: Yeah, I know the chicks really dig my SAAB, but I'm not sure if I can make a "Pentax is like SAAB" connection. :-) William (who sure the heck lucked out cuz I certainly don't have the money for a SAAB) in Utah. - Original Message - From: "frank theriault" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> snip > I don't get to ride in a Jag very often. It's a wonderful feeling. You > ~know~ all the young ladies aren't looking at you, it's the car. But, you > don't care a whit! > > cheers, > frank > I drink to make other people interesting. -- George Jean Nathan
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Packard. Extinct.Fortunately, Pentax is competing in a much less demanding market than that of the automobile. By the way, GM quality ratings on the latest JD power reports exceeds that of Jaguar, Mercedes, and a lot of other big name marques. To me, Accura is reliable but plain vanilla, much like Honda and Toyota. Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > > ... which one would it be more like? > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > Collin > KC8TKA
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
Gee, the Super 7 still lives. I really wanted one of those when I was a tad. Tell's you how long those things have been around, they had cycle type front fenders back then. frank theriault wrote: I'd give my left - well, my left something - for a Caterham Super Seven. With the most powerful engine option, they'll do, what, like a 4.1 second 0-100kmph? That's ultra-exotic territory, for a small fraction of the price. Even cheaper, if you assemble it yourself! Do they still have a few of the eccentricities of the old Lotii? Like the outside exhaust pipe, that would burn your leg when getting out of the car if you weren't careful? I'm sure that with the roof up, you have to do the "Seven Scissors Entry" technique; what would any Super Seven be without that? BTW, Collin, Jags are quite reliable these days, ever since being bought out by Ford. This weekend, in fact, I'm going on a little road trip with my only rich friend, in his XK8. He bought it when they first came out, what, around 6 years ago? Hasn't had a problem with it yet. I don't get to ride in a Jag very often. It's a wonderful feeling. You ~know~ all the young ladies aren't looking at you, it's the car. But, you don't care a whit! cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:06:49 +0100 Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun. In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car... m Robert Gonzalez wrote: > > How bout: > > Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end > Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative > Chrysler - never the leader, good mix of features but never outstanding > > Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > > ... which one would it be more like? > > > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > > > Collin > > KC8TKA > > > > _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- graywolf http://graywolfphoto.com "You might as well accept people as they are, you are not going to be able to change them anyway."
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Collin - it has to be the Accura - it's a Honda product, and Pentax and Honda at one time had a motor racing tie-up. My Integra ( = Accura) has never missed a beat in 6.5 years of fun motoring, just like my Pentax cameras and lenses! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:18 AM Subject: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > ... which one would it be more like? > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > Collin > KC8TKA >
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
VW. With the Eurovan they couldn't compete until the base price came down. Might be true of the *istD. The longest production vehicle was the Bug. Reminds me of the K1000 and its longevity. Slow to catch up in the SUV market until the new Taurog. Just like Pentax digital slr was slow to get to the market. Jim A. > From: "Collin Brendemuehl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:18:36 -0400 > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... > Resent-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 14:18:40 -0400 > > .. which one would it be more like? > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > .. or some other copmany ... and why? > > Collin > KC8TKA >
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I'd give my left - well, my left something - for a Caterham Super Seven. With the most powerful engine option, they'll do, what, like a 4.1 second 0-100kmph? That's ultra-exotic territory, for a small fraction of the price. Even cheaper, if you assemble it yourself! Do they still have a few of the eccentricities of the old Lotii? Like the outside exhaust pipe, that would burn your leg when getting out of the car if you weren't careful? I'm sure that with the roof up, you have to do the "Seven Scissors Entry" technique; what would any Super Seven be without that? BTW, Collin, Jags are quite reliable these days, ever since being bought out by Ford. This weekend, in fact, I'm going on a little road trip with my only rich friend, in his XK8. He bought it when they first came out, what, around 6 years ago? Hasn't had a problem with it yet. I don't get to ride in a Jag very often. It's a wonderful feeling. You ~know~ all the young ladies aren't looking at you, it's the car. But, you don't care a whit! cheers, frank "The optimist thinks this is the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears it is true." -J. Robert Oppenheimer From: mike wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ... Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 21:06:49 +0100 Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun. In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car... m Robert Gonzalez wrote: > > How bout: > > Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end > Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative > Chrysler - never the leader, good mix of features but never outstanding > > Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > > ... which one would it be more like? > > > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > > > Collin > > KC8TKA > > > > _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Caterham - small, nippy and bloody good fun. In fact, more like a motorcycle than a car... m Robert Gonzalez wrote: > > How bout: > > Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end > Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative > Chrysler - never the leader, good mix of features but never outstanding > > Collin Brendemuehl wrote: > > ... which one would it be more like? > > > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > > > Collin > > KC8TKA > > > >
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
I'd have to say they would be more like Infinity or Nissan. Reason, decent products but certainly niche and don't get much respect. --- Bruce Wednesday, October 8, 2003, 11:18:36 AM, you wrote: CB> ... which one would it be more like? CB> Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. CB> GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. CB> Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. CB> ... or some other copmany ... and why? CB> Collin CB> KC8TKA
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Honda/Acura. Good value for the price, work like clockwork, but certainly not a mercedes, and some of the feature sets you just have to shake your head at... -Mat > ... which one would it be more like? > > Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. > GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. > Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. > > ... or some other copmany ... and why? > > Collin > KC8TKA >
Re: If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
How bout: Toyota - good value, reliable, nothing in the high end Chevy - inexpensive, gets you there, conservative not innovative Chrysler - never the leader, good mix of features but never outstanding Collin Brendemuehl wrote: ... which one would it be more like? Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. ... or some other copmany ... and why? Collin KC8TKA
If Pentax were like an automobile company ...
... which one would it be more like? Jaguar -- Small, sleek, but not very reliable. GM -- A clumsy juggernaut with a mediocre product. Accura -- Not a Mercedes, but really nice for the price. ... or some other copmany ... and why? Collin KC8TKA
