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I second this. The 550mm lens would be perfect for skittish birds, especially when there is little tree cover for getting closer. If it will be f5.6, as some people have guessed, it might even be affordable (or at least affordable enough that my wife won't beat me over the head with it when I bring it home, since that would cause focus problems due to lens misalignement). I have an old Sigma 400mm F5.6 that has long since stopped autofocusing and I've been waiting for a lens such as this one for a couple of years. Thrainn Þann 3.2.2012 17:31, skrifaði Paul Stenquist: On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? I want one for my K-5. It would be perfect for shooting small birds. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Well, they make a 300mm f4.0 and the F 1.7x adapter is common enough, if you really want one. The maximum aperture for a 400mm f4.5 with a 1.4x TC would be within about 1/3 stop of the afore mentioned combination and only 50mm shorter, as well as probably being quite a bit less expensive. Most people seem to think I have nothing to complain about as far as image quality is concerned using even my ancient A*300 f4.0 with the F1.7x. On 2/3/2012 12:48 PM, Jack Davis wrote: I'd secretly (my wife is listening) like to see a 400mm f/4 or 4.5 and a quality 1.4 T/C. Jack ;-) From: Paul Stenquistpnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Lens road map On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? I want one for my K-5. It would be perfect for shooting small birds. Now a 550mm or 600mm lens on a full frame, would be much more likely to be in at least some demand. But even if a full-frame camera is introduced, there won't be enough market penetration to justify such a lens for a long time -- if ever. The other thing is... Hoya stopped the publicizing of lens road maps like this. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't one. And given the short time that Ricoh has owned Pentax, it is likely to me that these future lenses on the road map are lenses that were already in some form of development at Hoya/Pentax. While Hoya/Pentax didn't appear to be interested in FF cameras, it seems crazy to me that they didn't have somebody at least doing RD on one. In fact, that would be good window dressing to showcase if you were going to shop the company. (look at the additional product lines you can expand into). I think the Marc Newson camera is another example of Hoya/Pentax carry-over. Add that to the comments in the earlier interview from the Ricoh/Pentax exec. talking about the importance of a full DSLR product line and I think the evidence is getting stronger for a FF Pentax camera to be at least announced, very soon. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Don't lose heart! They might want to cut it out, and they'll want to avoid a lengthily search. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 3/2/12, Darren Addy, discombobulated, unleashed: I think the evidence is getting stronger for a FF Pentax camera to be at least announced, very soon. Sorry mate, the hat's out of the smoker now (since the K-Uh-Oh) and I'm not putting it back in just like that. Gotta give me something better to go on than that! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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all they need to get the ball rolling is a FF body and a good 28-85 kit digital lens to go with it. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Cotty Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 5:52 PM To: pentax list Subject: Re: Lens road map On 3/2/12, Darren Addy, discombobulated, unleashed: I think the evidence is getting stronger for a FF Pentax camera to be at least announced, very soon. Sorry mate, the hat's out of the smoker now (since the K-Uh-Oh) and I'm not putting it back in just like that. Gotta give me something better to go on than that! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? Now a 550mm or 600mm lens on a full frame, would be much more likely to be in at least some demand. The other thing is... Hoya stopped the publicizing of lens road maps like this. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't one. And given the short time that Ricoh has owned Pentax, it is likely to me that these future lenses on the road map are lenses that were already in some form of development at Hoya/Pentax. While Hoya/Pentax didn't appear to be interested in FF cameras, it seems crazy to me that they didn't have somebody at least doing RD on one. In fact, that would be good window dressing to showcase if you were going to shop the company. (look at the additional product lines you can expand into). I think the Marc Newson camera is another example of Hoya/Pentax carry-over. Add that to the comments in the earlier interview from the Ricoh/Pentax exec. talking about the importance of a full DSLR product line and I think the evidence is getting stronger for a FF Pentax camera to be at least announced, very soon. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? I want one for my K-5. It would be perfect for shooting small birds. Now a 550mm or 600mm lens on a full frame, would be much more likely to be in at least some demand. But even if a full-frame camera is introduced, there won't be enough market penetration to justify such a lens for a long time -- if ever. The other thing is... Hoya stopped the publicizing of lens road maps like this. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't one. And given the short time that Ricoh has owned Pentax, it is likely to me that these future lenses on the road map are lenses that were already in some form of development at Hoya/Pentax. While Hoya/Pentax didn't appear to be interested in FF cameras, it seems crazy to me that they didn't have somebody at least doing RD on one. In fact, that would be good window dressing to showcase if you were going to shop the company. (look at the additional product lines you can expand into). I think the Marc Newson camera is another example of Hoya/Pentax carry-over. Add that to the comments in the earlier interview from the Ricoh/Pentax exec. talking about the importance of a full DSLR product line and I think the evidence is getting stronger for a FF Pentax camera to be at least announced, very soon. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd secretly (my wife is listening) like to see a 400mm f/4 or 4.5 and a quality 1.4 T/C. Jack ;-) From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Friday, February 3, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Lens road map On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Darren Addy wrote: Been thinking more about this, and the long long telephoto doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me on an APS-C camera. A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? I want one for my K-5. It would be perfect for shooting small birds. Now a 550mm or 600mm lens on a full frame, would be much more likely to be in at least some demand. But even if a full-frame camera is introduced, there won't be enough market penetration to justify such a lens for a long time -- if ever. The other thing is... Hoya stopped the publicizing of lens road maps like this. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't one. And given the short time that Ricoh has owned Pentax, it is likely to me that these future lenses on the road map are lenses that were already in some form of development at Hoya/Pentax. While Hoya/Pentax didn't appear to be interested in FF cameras, it seems crazy to me that they didn't have somebody at least doing RD on one. In fact, that would be good window dressing to showcase if you were going to shop the company. (look at the additional product lines you can expand into). I think the Marc Newson camera is another example of Hoya/Pentax carry-over. Add that to the comments in the earlier interview from the Ricoh/Pentax exec. talking about the importance of a full DSLR product line and I think the evidence is getting stronger for a FF Pentax camera to be at least announced, very soon. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Thu Feb 2 11:45:31 EST 2012 Miserere wrote: On 2 February 2012 10:35, Tim .sleby maritimtim at gmail.com wrote: Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out) http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_k-mount_lens_roadmap/ -- MaritimTim Photographyblog is saying they saw the new Pentax lens roadmap at the K-01 unveiling in the UK. Here's what's in store (subject to change, the whims of Pentax gods, market situation, etc.): 2012: - DA Standard lens (50mm) - DA High magnification zoom lens (18-200mm) - DA Telephoto lens (550mm) I wonder if it will be a mirror lens. 2013: - DA Ltd zoom (24-38mm) That'd be indeed a very LIMITED zoom. :-) - DA Telephoto zoom (125-375mm) Looking at K-01, I think Pentax can go more creative, and make something like 123-369mm. - DA Wideangle zoom (12-28mm) - DA Zoom (18-120mm) - DA AF RC 1.4x teleconverter What does RC stand for besides Radio Control? Right-Coated? Red-Coated? Rear-Coated? Rarely-Coated? Really-Coated? Or, is it related to RC Lens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC_Lens ? Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. One personal thing: I am happy to see that 77/1.8 is still on that map. I might ultimately buy it.. All that needs to happen is for the the 77/1.8 or the 70/2.4 to be made in an equivlent DA* package, and I'd start selling my blood plasma to afford one. I'd like a nice WR prime, but the 55 is a bit too short for me. -Adam -- http://www.mountainfort.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2012-02-03 12:16, Darren Addy wrote: A 550mm lens? That would be a 775mm (35mm equiv) on a crop camera. Anybody see a huge demand for that? Well, they derived enough perceived benefit from the FA* 600/4 and the FA* 400/2.8 to keep them in the catalog for years, even though it'd often require several months to actually get one after you made the order, because they existed as a bunch of unassembled parts in a dusty, mislabeled bin somewhere that Nguyen would get around to when he (a) found the damned thing, and (b) wasn't busy. And it still drew enough buyers at a 4-to-5 figure cost. But that doesn't mean that there wasn't one. If there isn't at least an internal strategic road map and product road map, they're incompetent, and I don't think they are. They just, rightly, don't want to talk about it publicly because it's subject to change based on market forces, company forces, finances, world markets, etc. -- Doug Lefty Franklin NutDriver Racing http://NutDriver.org Facebook NutDriver Racing Sponsored by Murphy -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out) http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_k-mount_lens_roadmap/ -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2 February 2012 10:35, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out) http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_k-mount_lens_roadmap/ -- MaritimTim Photographyblog is saying they saw the new Pentax lens roadmap at the K-01 unveiling in the UK. Here's what's in store (subject to change, the whims of Pentax gods, market situation, etc.): 2012: - DA Standard lens (50mm) - DA High magnification zoom lens (18-200mm) - DA Telephoto lens (550mm) 2013: - DA Ltd zoom (24-38mm) - DA Telephoto zoom (125-375mm) - DA Wideangle zoom (12-28mm) - DA Zoom (18-120mm) - DA AF RC 1.4x teleconverter Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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DA standard 50mm? I guess someone is confusing with equivalents. Maybe a DA*31mm 1.8? :-) DA zoom Limited sounds like a contradiction in terms. DagT Den 2. feb. 2012 kl. 17:45 skrev Miserere: On 2 February 2012 10:35, Tim Øsleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out) http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_k-mount_lens_roadmap/ -- MaritimTim Photographyblog is saying they saw the new Pentax lens roadmap at the K-01 unveiling in the UK. Here's what's in store (subject to change, the whims of Pentax gods, market situation, etc.): 2012: - DA Standard lens (50mm) - DA High magnification zoom lens (18-200mm) - DA Telephoto lens (550mm) 2013: - DA Ltd zoom (24-38mm) - DA Telephoto zoom (125-375mm) - DA Wideangle zoom (12-28mm) - DA Zoom (18-120mm) - DA AF RC 1.4x teleconverter Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 02/02/2012 10:45 AM, Miserere wrote: Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. From the looks of the K-01, I'm starting to wonder if the average Pentax employee even knows what a drawing board is. Given a set of pictures of a variety of objects, lets say an oven, a car, a piano, a television, a washing machine and a drawing board, what % would correctly identify the drawing board? -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thu Feb 2 11:45:31 EST 2012 Miserere wrote: On 2 February 2012 10:35, Tim .sleby maritimtim at gmail.com wrote: Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out) http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_k-mount_lens_roadmap/ -- MaritimTim Photographyblog is saying they saw the new Pentax lens roadmap at the K-01 unveiling in the UK. Here's what's in store (subject to change, the whims of Pentax gods, market situation, etc.): 2012: - DA Standard lens (50mm) - DA High magnification zoom lens (18-200mm) - DA Telephoto lens (550mm) I wonder if it will be a mirror lens. 2013: - DA Ltd zoom (24-38mm) That'd be indeed a very LIMITED zoom. :-) - DA Telephoto zoom (125-375mm) Looking at K-01, I think Pentax can go more creative, and make something like 123-369mm. - DA Wideangle zoom (12-28mm) - DA Zoom (18-120mm) - DA AF RC 1.4x teleconverter What does RC stand for besides Radio Control? Right-Coated? Red-Coated? Rear-Coated? Rarely-Coated? Really-Coated? Or, is it related to RC Lens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RC_Lens ? Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. Surprisingly, 11-16mm f2.8, that was allegedly co-developed with Tokina is not on the map. One personal thing: I am happy to see that 77/1.8 is still on that map. I might ultimately buy it.. Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Looks like it's genuine. http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/pdf/lens_roadmap.pdf -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nope - the shots of the roadmap show the 50mm lens positioned right at the join of the 18-50 and 50-135, at a real 50mm. On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:04:57PM +0100, DagT wrote: DA standard 50mm? I guess someone is confusing with equivalents. Maybe a DA*31mm 1.8? :-) DA zoom Limited sounds like a contradiction in terms. DagT Den 2. feb. 2012 kl. 17:45 skrev Miserere: On 2 February 2012 10:35, Tim ?sleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out) http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_k-mount_lens_roadmap/ -- MaritimTim Photographyblog is saying they saw the new Pentax lens roadmap at the K-01 unveiling in the UK. Here's what's in store (subject to change, the whims of Pentax gods, market situation, etc.): 2012: - DA Standard lens (50mm) - DA High magnification zoom lens (18-200mm) - DA Telephoto lens (550mm) 2013: - DA Ltd zoom (24-38mm) - DA Telephoto zoom (125-375mm) - DA Wideangle zoom (12-28mm) - DA Zoom (18-120mm) - DA AF RC 1.4x teleconverter Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. Cheers, ?M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 12:17:15PM -0500, Igor Roshchin wrote: Thu Feb 2 11:45:31 EST 2012 Miserere wrote: 2013: - DA AF RC 1.4x teleconverter What does RC stand for besides Radio Control? I'd bet on something like range converter. With in-body SR, and zoom lenses, a teleconverter that corrected the reported focal length as you zoomed would be really handy. That's the offering that I find most interesting; there's not a lot else that would tempt me (except, possibly, the long telephoto). I'm wondering, though, if the AF in the name means simply that this will work with AF lenses (which seems redundant; it already identifies itself as part of the DA family), or whether this is a product similar to the highly-regarded F 1.7x AF. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Igor Roshchin wrote: What does RC stand for besides Radio Control? Rear Converter Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Just dreaming… Den 2. feb. 2012 kl. 19:25 skrev John Francis: Nope - the shots of the roadmap show the 50mm lens positioned right at the join of the 18-50 and 50-135, at a real 50mm. On Thu, Feb 02, 2012 at 06:04:57PM +0100, DagT wrote: DA standard 50mm? I guess someone is confusing with equivalents. Maybe a DA*31mm 1.8? :-) DA zoom Limited sounds like a contradiction in terms. DagT Den 2. feb. 2012 kl. 17:45 skrev Miserere: On 2 February 2012 10:35, Tim ?sleby maritim...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know about the authentasy of this, (I'm at work and can't check it out) http://www.photographyblog.com/news/pentax_k-mount_lens_roadmap/ -- MaritimTim Photographyblog is saying they saw the new Pentax lens roadmap at the K-01 unveiling in the UK. Here's what's in store (subject to change, the whims of Pentax gods, market situation, etc.): 2012: - DA Standard lens (50mm) - DA High magnification zoom lens (18-200mm) - DA Telephoto lens (550mm) 2013: - DA Ltd zoom (24-38mm) - DA Telephoto zoom (125-375mm) - DA Wideangle zoom (12-28mm) - DA Zoom (18-120mm) - DA AF RC 1.4x teleconverter Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. Cheers, ?M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Good news then in regard to long glass. No DFAs to be seen, but I'm not sure that's a designation that Pentax would use, even if a full frame camera were on the way. But longer glass and a 50mm lens tend to make one think full frame. Paul On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Looks like it's genuine. http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/pdf/lens_roadmap.pdf -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 12:05 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/02/2012 10:45 AM, Miserere wrote: Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. From the looks of the K-01, I'm starting to wonder if the average Pentax employee even knows what a drawing board is. Given a set of pictures of a variety of objects, lets say an oven, a car, a piano, a television, a washing machine and a drawing board, what % would correctly identify the drawing board? The guy with the dry marker.?? Dave -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Those were my thoughts. If the standard is 50mm, then that's FF or Pentax have redefined the term standard. Peter On 2 Feb 2012, at 18:50, Paul Stenquist wrote:. Good news then in regard to long glass. No DFAs to be seen, but I'm not sure that's a designation that Pentax would use, even if a full frame camera were on the way. But longer glass and a 50mm lens tend to make one think full frame. Paul On Feb 2, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: Looks like it's genuine. http://www.pentaximaging.com/files/pdf/lens_roadmap.pdf -- MaritimTim My private photo blog: http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ My photo class blog: http://z-fotokurs.blogspot.com/ To err is human to arr is pirate -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 2, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Peter Jordan wrote: Those were my thoughts. If the standard is 50mm, then that's FF or Pentax have redefined the term standard. Not really, a lot of people just didn't redefine standard with APS, and just use 50 as normal 30 and shorter as wide, and 75 and longer as long. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Lens road map On 02/02/2012 10:45 AM, Miserere wrote: Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. From the looks of the K-01, I'm starting to wonder if the average Pentax employee even knows what a drawing board is. Given a set of pictures of a variety of objects, lets say an oven, a car, a piano, a television, a washing machine and a drawing board, what % would correctly identify the drawing board? At Ford Motor Co., even before I left 6 years ago, drawing boards were long gone having been replaced by computer screens. I bet many of today's designers never worked on a drawing board. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I agree with those who are reading the tea leaves of the lens road map and seeing full frame (even though they are using the DA placeholder (how could they really do anything else without tipping their hand?). Calling the 50 a standard lens is the most obvious tip off. I think it would be easiest for them just to ramp production back up for the FA50 1.4. That high magnfication zoom lens looks like a the old FA 28-200mm (or something new with a similar range). The word Limited in the 2013 Zoom limited is an odd one. If you look above that range at the lenses already available you already see 3 DA zooms that cover that focal length range, along with an FA Prime Limited and 2 or 3 other DA primes. I just don't see needing a limited range zoom down there for an APS-C. Similarly, the DA Wide Zoom is only slightly longer than the DA 12-24mm. That would only be needed if the sensor size was larger. It would either be a 14-28mm rectilinear full frame zoom, or they are bringing back that lens that only Pentax produced way back when, the F17-28 fisheye. It seems more likely to me that it be a rectilinear that would sell. I believe more than ever that a full frame could be announced at CP+ for delivery later this year. Also to be announced there are probably all three of the 2012 lenses on the road map. Keep in mind that any new full frame lenses could also be used on APS-C cameras, the same way that we use the older glass now. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 2, 2012, at 5:56 PM, Darren Addy wrote: I agree with those who are reading the tea leaves of the lens road map and seeing full frame (even though they are using the DA placeholder (how could they really do anything else without tipping their hand?). I would expect that the DA prefix might be used with lenses designed to work with full frame. Why not? They'll work with APS-C as well, and I would guess they would be optimized for digital and would differ somewhat from FA lenses. Calling the 50 a standard lens is the most obvious tip off. I think it would be easiest for them just to ramp production back up for the FA50 1.4. That high magnfication zoom lens looks like a the old FA 28-200mm (or something new with a similar range). The word Limited in the 2013 Zoom limited is an odd one. If you look above that range at the lenses already available you already see 3 DA zooms that cover that focal length range, along with an FA Prime Limited and 2 or 3 other DA primes. I just don't see needing a limited range zoom down there for an APS-C. Similarly, the DA Wide Zoom is only slightly longer than the DA 12-24mm. That would only be needed if the sensor size was larger. It would either be a 14-28mm rectilinear full frame zoom, or they are bringing back that lens that only Pentax produced way back when, the F17-28 fisheye. It seems more likely to me that it be a rectilinear that would sell. I believe more than ever that a full frame could be announced at CP+ for delivery later this year. Also to be announced there are probably all three of the 2012 lenses on the road map. Keep in mind that any new full frame lenses could also be used on APS-C cameras, the same way that we use the older glass now. Darren Addy Kearney, Nebraska -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: William Robb On 02/02/2012 10:45 AM, Miserere wrote: Focal lengths are approximate and garnered from reading the tea leaves in the images of the roadmap shown by Photographyblog. I'm sure Pentax is being vague on purpose, most likely because many of them are probably not even on the drawing board. The lenses, I mean, not the Pentax employees. From the looks of the K-01, I'm starting to wonder if the average Pentax employee even knows what a drawing board is. Given a set of pictures of a variety of objects, lets say an oven, a car, a piano, a television, a washing machine and a drawing board, what % would correctly identify the drawing board? Since CADD has been the standard for years and years ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Pentas lens road map: Can you say 15mm Limited? :)
Yes I agree with Paul and would add that for those not familiar with a roadmap: a roadmap is made to give customers idea about the future developements. It is already unusual for a roadmap to show all lenses currently available. Also a roadmap is nowhere a commitment to informations contained in the roadmap: it shows the developments planned (sometimes with an estimated timing) at the date the roadmap was released. It doesn not contain any pre-DA/DFAlenses and never has so stating that some FA lenses disappeared is wrong: they simply never showed on the roadmap. That being said, it looks clear to me that FA Limited will have to go except maybe if Pentax keeps an eye on a not too distant FF dslr but I doubt that much. As for SDM vs screwdrive, all Limited 'till now, including the 34 limited macro do NOT have SDM. Also lenses like 55-300 do not have SDM. I don't expect Pentax to be fully SDM-only for quite a couple years. They might indeed drop screwdrive for DA* lenses however. On Jan 30, 2008 12:17 PM, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The roadmap lists recently released and new lenses. That doesn't mean older lenses will no longer be available. But I wouldn't be surprised if the lenses for full frame are eventually taken out of production. However, like most Pentax lenses of the past, there are plenty of them out there, so they'll continue to be available on the used market. I expect many of the new lenses will be equally wonderful or perhaps even better, particularly in terms of image quality. Note that the new DA 70 limited already compares quite favorably to the old 77 limited. Paul On Jan 30, 2008, at 3:07 AM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: Nor are the wonderful 31, 43, and 77mm limiteds. Will new Pentax owners be unable to enjoy these marvels? Bertil None of the FA series lenses are listed on it. The road map only seems to be for DA, DA* DFA lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- Photo: K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... Thinkpad: X23+UB,X60+UB Programing: D7 user (trying out D2007) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Nor are the wonderful 31, 43, and 77mm limiteds. Will new Pentax owners be unable to enjoy these marvels? Bertil None of the FA series lenses are listed on it. The road map only seems to be for DA, DA* DFA lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts escribió: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf Thanks for the link, Mark. But I am afraid I have grown highly skeptical of Pentax lens roadmaps. If this time they manage to fulfill their promises, the DA 17-70 and DA 60-250 will surface almost two years after they were first announced. Other lenses have been in the roadmap for the same time, and there isn't even a targeted availability date for them yet. I think they must have lost a lot of potential customers because of the gaps they have in their lens lineup. I hope that the additional resources they may have obtained after Pentax was bought by Hoya will help them build up their lens line faster than before. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Celio wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf Oh sweet! 15mm is a bit wide for me, but I'd like to see how it does compared to the older 14mm. Personally, I still want the 10-17 Fisheye for my ultra-wide needs. The 10-17 fisheye is a lot of fun, but the image quality is less than I'd like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Yes, the 10-17 only a good choice if you want fisheye distortion. If you plan on correcting most of your shots to rectilinear, you're much better off with the DA 12-24. Paul On Jan 30, 2008, at 6:59 AM, Mark Roberts wrote: John Celio wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf Oh sweet! 15mm is a bit wide for me, but I'd like to see how it does compared to the older 14mm. Personally, I still want the 10-17 Fisheye for my ultra-wide needs. The 10-17 fisheye is a lot of fun, but the image quality is less than I'd like. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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And SDM TC's are coming, Pentax's first new TC's since the SMC-F era brought us the F 1.7x. The TC(s) may be rebadged versions of the Kenko 300 TCs--which are reported to be excellent. Pentax has said that for them to design TCs from scratch in the foreseeable future (2-3 years) they would have to remove a lens from the road map. Joe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:04:45AM -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote: And SDM TC's are coming, Pentax's first new TC's since the SMC-F era brought us the F 1.7x. The TC(s) may be rebadged versions of the Kenko 300 TCs--which are reported to be excellent. Pentax has said that for them to design TCs from scratch in the foreseeable future (2-3 years) they would have to remove a lens from the road map. Joe I think they'll need to be a little more than that. While they may be the same optically, they will need some additional Pentax electronics in order to report the correct focal length to the camera - essential for in-body shake reduction. Just badge engineering won't be enough. I hope whatever they come up with will also work with screwdriver-AF. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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John Francis wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:04:45AM -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote: The TC(s) may be rebadged versions of the Kenko 300 TCs--which are reported to be excellent. Pentax has said that for them to design TCs from scratch in the foreseeable future (2-3 years) they would have to remove a lens from the road map. I think they'll need to be a little more than that. While they may be the same optically, they will need some additional Pentax electronics in order to report the correct focal length to the camera - essential for in-body shake reduction. Just badge engineering won't be enough. Some re-engineering will be necessary just to allow for SDM focusing but I think the focal length issue could be handled fairly easily by having the teleconverter manipulate the data going from the lens to the camera. Perhaps it might even be possible to have the lens recognize which TC it's attached to and make its own correction (though this would obviously only apply to new, SDM lenses, which leads to your next point) I hope whatever they come up with will also work with screwdriver-AF. I'd like that, too. But I'd be very surprised if it happened. Virtually every new lens planned has SDM at the end. Pretty easy to see which way the wind is blowing... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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It doesn't look quite that way to me.. Pentax seems to be planning on three lens lines. Fast Professional * lenses all with SDM. Relatively small compact very high build quality, but slightly slower Limited lenses, (lots of pancakes no room for SDM probably), and more Consumer oriented DA lenses which seem to be either SDM or just Screwdriver AF probably depending on projected price. Mark Roberts wrote: John Francis wrote: On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 09:04:45AM -0700, Joseph Tainter wrote: The TC(s) may be rebadged versions of the Kenko 300 TCs--which are reported to be excellent. Pentax has said that for them to design TCs from scratch in the foreseeable future (2-3 years) they would have to remove a lens from the road map. I think they'll need to be a little more than that. While they may be the same optically, they will need some additional Pentax electronics in order to report the correct focal length to the camera - essential for in-body shake reduction. Just badge engineering won't be enough. Some re-engineering will be necessary just to allow for SDM focusing but I think the focal length issue could be handled fairly easily by having the teleconverter manipulate the data going from the lens to the camera. Perhaps it might even be possible to have the lens recognize which TC it's attached to and make its own correction (though this would obviously only apply to new, SDM lenses, which leads to your next point) I hope whatever they come up with will also work with screwdriver-AF. I'd like that, too. But I'd be very surprised if it happened. Virtually every new lens planned has SDM at the end. Pretty easy to see which way the wind is blowing... -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The roadmap lists recently released and new lenses. That doesn't mean older lenses will no longer be available. But I wouldn't be surprised if the lenses for full frame are eventually taken out of production. However, like most Pentax lenses of the past, there are plenty of them out there, so they'll continue to be available on the used market. I expect many of the new lenses will be equally wonderful or perhaps even better, particularly in terms of image quality. Note that the new DA 70 limited already compares quite favorably to the old 77 limited. Paul On Jan 30, 2008, at 3:07 AM, Bertil Holmberg wrote: Nor are the wonderful 31, 43, and 77mm limiteds. Will new Pentax owners be unable to enjoy these marvels? Bertil None of the FA series lenses are listed on it. The road map only seems to be for DA, DA* DFA lenses. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A new rear converter as well. DA*60-250 in now scheduled for summer. And an SDM 55/1.4. Sounds good. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf Oh sweet! 15mm is a bit wide for me, but I'd like to see how it does compared to the older 14mm. Personally, I still want the 10-17 Fisheye for my ultra-wide needs. I hope that new DA*30mm is a 1.4, it would be a great slightly-wide normal lens. Was it listed the last time they updated the roadmap? Oh, and hooray for the rear converter, even though the name (for SDM) implies it won't be usable with non-SDM lenses. Note that the 645 lens is no longer listed. Oh well, no big loss in my book. I'm excited. I think I know what my tax refunds are going towards. ;D John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'm actually looking forward to California's weltering central valley summer..the DA* 60~250 may actually materialize. YES!! Jack --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A new rear converter as well. DA*60-250 in now scheduled for summer. And an SDM 55/1.4. Sounds good. Paul -- Original message -- From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 1/29/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Interesting, I see the DA 35 SDM has become a DA* 30 SDM. I'm going to assume that means it's going to be f1.4. The 15 Limited sounds interesting too, although I wonder how much they can improve on the already excellent DA 14. And SDM TC's are coming, Pentax's first new TC's since the SMC-F era brought us the F 1.7x. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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In line with the small size of the limited lenses I expect it to be an f3.2 pancake. Adam Maas wrote: On 1/29/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Interesting, I see the DA 35 SDM has become a DA* 30 SDM. I'm going to assume that means it's going to be f1.4. The 15 Limited sounds interesting too, although I wonder how much they can improve on the already excellent DA 14. And SDM TC's are coming, Pentax's first new TC's since the SMC-F era brought us the F 1.7x. -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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The 35/2.8 Ltd (macro) is still there on the list. The 30mm will be more compact, I would guess also a 2.8. stan On Jan 29, 2008, at 9:15 PM, Adam Maas wrote: On 1/29/08, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Interesting, I see the DA 35 SDM has become a DA* 30 SDM. I'm going to assume that means it's going to be f1.4. The 15 Limited sounds interesting too, although I wonder how much they can improve on the already excellent DA 14. And SDM TC's are coming, Pentax's first new TC's since the SMC-F era brought us the F 1.7x. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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P.J. wrote: In line with the small size of the limited lenses I expect it to be an f3.2 pancake. stan wrote: The 35/2.8 Ltd (macro) is still there on the list. The 30mm will be more compact, I would guess also a 2.8. Keep in mind, guys, the 30 is a DA*, not a Limited, and thus does not necessarily have to be a pancake or otherwise compact lens like most DA Limiteds. I'm more inclined to believe it'll be a fast aperture normal lens, say a 1.4 or 1.8 at worst, to better differentiate it from the DA35 Limited Macro John -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf I notice that the 50/1.4 does not seem to be on it. Has that been discontinued? -- Sandy Harris, Nanjing, China -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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A new rear converter as well. DA*60-250 in now scheduled for summer. And an SDM 55/1.4. Sounds good. Paul = Boy, I feel dumb tonight. What's a rear convertor? A teleconverter? Or something else? Padded undies. ;) John (your first guess was right) -- http://www.neovenator.com http://www.cafepress.com/neovenatorphoto -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Pentas lens road map: Can you say 15mm Limited? :)
In a message dated 1/29/2008 6:35:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A new rear converter as well. DA*60-250 in now scheduled for summer. And an SDM 55/1.4. Sounds good. Paul = Boy, I feel dumb tonight. What's a rear convertor? A teleconverter? Or something else? Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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At 02:09 PM 30/01/2008, Sandy Harris wrote: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/en/lens/roadmap.pdf I notice that the 50/1.4 does not seem to be on it. Has that been discontinued? None of the FA series lenses are listed on it. The road map only seems to be for DA, DA* DFA lenses. Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: New Pentas lens road map: Can you say 15mm Limited? :)
I'm not Bob, but yes it's a teleconverter. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/29/2008 6:35:24 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A new rear converter as well. DA*60-250 in now scheduled for summer. And an SDM 55/1.4. Sounds good. Paul = Boy, I feel dumb tonight. What's a rear convertor? A teleconverter? Or something else? Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp0030002489 -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: On lens road map
- Original Message - From: Dario Bonazza [EMAIL PROTECTED] My guess is only the D-FA for the 645D will have aperture ring, while all others (being DA) won't. The operation of the aperture lever in the 645 system is the other way round from the K-mount lever. Maybe this design is more precise. Jostein
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On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 11:27:11PM -0500, Mishka wrote: i think they are leveraging that with small limited lenses quite nicely. if there was a choice, usm or small primes, i would pick the second. perhaps that's not what pros need -- than i'm happy pentax is not pro oriented. best, mishka I expect the 16-50/2.8 and 50-135/2.8 zooms to be quite good enough for a lot of so-called pro work - after all, the FA* 28-70 80-200 zooms were outstanding performers. It's interesting that the new lenses don't get called DA*; perhaps that's just too confusing with *ist bodies as well.
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LOL I don't think we're too far apart on many things ... Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi How is it that we agree so much on some things, Shel? ;-) Godfrey On Feb 23, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Some people care about specs, others care about making photographs.
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Why shouldn't the pancakes be considered as pro lenses? I'm wondering is they are aiming at the old rangefinder market. A lot of pros liked Leica M6 because of their compact size and good lenses... DagT fra: Mishka [EMAIL PROTECTED] i think they are leveraging that with small limited lenses quite nicely. if there was a choice, usm or small primes, i would pick the second. perhaps that's not what pros need -- than i'm happy pentax is not pro oriented. best, mishka On 2/23/06, Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: missing is USM
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: There's a DA 50-135/2.8 on the way as well. Looks like 2006 is going to be expensive. Not really, it's a DA. But they plan a DFA55/2.8. I will buy it in a flash. Not. Kostas
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Feb 23, 2006, at 10:52 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: I guess it does. Their conservatism however does little now for the photography that I like to pursue. ... And what kind of photography is that, really? Have you defined it? Yes, but you deleted it: The LX with its superb finders and the old array of high performance fast lenses made a pretty smick kit for low light work. If the new DLSR behaves similarly to the D200 at high ISO I doubt that I'm going to be overly excited, proof is in the pudding of course be it a year ore more away. It's apparent that Pentax are heading in a totally different direction now, they are carving a niche of kit biased towards small rather than fast. I too am changing my tack and will discuss with the powers that be to up my price for an MZ-S. I am also stuck with the F70-210, but hey-ho. Kostas
Re: Lens Road Map revised
You can get two of the new Pentax for the price of one 5D. Or you could make a sizable down payment on the 645D, which apparently will be much higher spec than the 5D. On Feb 23, 2006, at 11:35 PM, Tom C wrote: I was comparing it to that, largely because if I was going to make a jump, it wouldn't be a small one. Tom C. From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Lens Road Map revised Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:31:47 -0500 Tom C wrote: I don't see how you can call it under-spec'd compared to Canon (especially without seeing it's specs). You cannot compare it to the 5D. That's a whole other animal. You're right in a sense. Except that's what I was comparing it to. Tom C. You can only compare it to the 5D if it has a full-35mm-sized sensor. It doesn't so the only fair comparison is 20D/30D and D200. That's Pentax's target. Not the full-frame market. Apples-oranges. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net
Re: Re: Lens Road Map revised
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/02/24 Fri AM 09:57:53 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Lens Road Map revised On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: There's a DA 50-135/2.8 on the way as well. Looks like 2006 is going to be expensive. Not really, it's a DA. But they plan a DFA55/2.8. I will buy it in a flash. Not. Now, now, Kostas. You know that sort of talk is frowned upon. If you can't say anything nice, just hold up your stick with the cut-out smile on it. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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What's wrong with the 55/2.8? It is for the 645D, after all - according to the english version of that roadmap. --- Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But they plan a DFA55/2.8. I will buy it in a flash. Not. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Jon Myers wrote: What's wrong with the 55/2.8? It is for the 645D, after all - according to the english version of that roadmap. Thanks, I read that later on. What is wrong is that it would benefit from not being on the same roadmap as the K-mount products. Kostas
Re: [Bulk] Re: Lens Road Map revised
- Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] That make sense. It will be the new standard lens. The D FA label probably (almost certainly) indicate that it will be full frame and that it will fit film 645 as well. That strongly indicate that it have aperture ring (thank God). That's a bit of a stretch. I think the D prefix pretty much says that it is intended for the digital bodies. But D FA designates full frame for K-mount lenses. It would be confusing if they use different nomeclature for 645 lenses. If the 55/2.8 is not full frame I would presume they would have labeled it DA, not D FA. Pål
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I don't see a definition for a kind of photography in that quote, Kostas. I see a statement relating to a kind of equipment. What kind of PHOTOGRAPHS is the equipment intended to make? That's photography. Godfrey On Feb 24, 2006, at 2:09 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: And what kind of photography is that, really? Have you defined it? Yes, but you deleted it: The LX with its superb finders and the old array of high performance fast lenses made a pretty smick kit for low light work. If the new DLSR behaves similarly to the D200 at high ISO I doubt that I'm going to be overly excited, proof is in the pudding of course be it a year ore more away. It's apparent that Pentax are heading in a totally different direction now, they are carving a niche of kit biased towards small rather than fast.
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Feb 24, 2006, at 2:09 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: And what kind of photography is that, really? Have you defined it? Yes, but you deleted it: The LX with its superb finders and the old array of high performance fast lenses made a pretty smick kit for low light work. If the new DLSR behaves similarly to the D200 at high ISO I doubt that I'm going to be overly excited, proof is in the pudding of course be it a year ore more away. It's apparent that Pentax are heading in a totally different direction now, they are carving a niche of kit biased towards small rather than fast. I don't see a definition for a kind of photography in that quote, Kostas. I see a statement relating to a kind of equipment. What kind of PHOTOGRAPHS is the equipment intended to make? That's photography. It says low light work; that's photography. In it Rob expands that for that type of photographs he needs a combination of low noise in high ISO and bright lenses. He concludes that Pentax is not moving towards this direction. The subject of the thread is Lens Road Map revised. And don't shout, I read even without it. Kostas
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On 2006-02-24 06:08, Paul Stenquist wrote: You can get two of the new Pentax for the price of one 5D. Or you could make a sizable down payment on the 645D, which apparently will be much higher spec than the 5D. So the new roadmap indicates: - 'consumer cameras' use APS sized sensors and DA-lenses with PK mount - 'pro cameras' use a full frame sensor and DFA-lenses with PK mount The professional roadmap is 6x7 cm - 6x4.5 cm - 3.6x2.4? Now the body form factor still looks big, while the lens mount is PK, mixing medium format and 35 mm? ok, I'll take that - at least this will promise some new DFA lenses for my analog bodies ;-) - Martin
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The lens mount for the new pro camera is not PK, it's the 645 mount. And the sensor isn't 35mm full frame. It's somewhere in between that and 645. The DFA lens on the chart is apparently a 645 mount lens. -- Original message -- From: Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2006-02-24 06:08, Paul Stenquist wrote: You can get two of the new Pentax for the price of one 5D. Or you could make a sizable down payment on the 645D, which apparently will be much higher spec than the 5D. So the new roadmap indicates: - 'consumer cameras' use APS sized sensors and DA-lenses with PK mount - 'pro cameras' use a full frame sensor and DFA-lenses with PK mount The professional roadmap is 6x7 cm - 6x4.5 cm - 3.6x2.4? Now the body form factor still looks big, while the lens mount is PK, mixing medium format and 35 mm? ok, I'll take that - at least this will promise some new DFA lenses for my analog bodies ;-) - Martin
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On 2006-02-24 16:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lens mount for the new pro camera is not PK, it's the 645 mount. How do you know? And the sensor isn't 35mm full frame. I suppose that it's not really 35 mm. 36x24 mm - ø 43 mm, 60:45 @ 43 mm - 34.6 x 26.0 mm That's 4 % more area ;-) I missed the smc PENTAX-FA *645* on http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/news/2006/press-image/200609-06.jpg So you're probably right that they'll keep the bigger format. - Martin
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-- Original message -- From: Martin Trautmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 2006-02-24 16:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The lens mount for the new pro camera is not PK, it's the 645 mount. How do you know? Pentax made that clear when they announced this camera some time ago.
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On Feb 24, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: And what kind of photography is that, really? Have you defined it? Yes, but you deleted it: The LX with its superb finders and the old array of high performance fast lenses made a pretty smick kit for low light work. If the new DLSR behaves similarly to the D200 at high ISO I doubt that I'm going to be overly excited, proof is in the pudding of course be it a year ore more away. It's apparent that Pentax are heading in a totally different direction now, they are carving a niche of kit biased towards small rather than fast. I don't see a definition for a kind of photography in that quote, Kostas. I see a statement relating to a kind of equipment. What kind of PHOTOGRAPHS is the equipment intended to make? That's photography. It says low light work; that's photography. In it Rob expands that for that type of photographs he needs a combination of low noise in high ISO and bright lenses. He concludes that Pentax is not moving towards this direction. The subject of the thread is Lens Road Map revised. You do a lot of interpretation for the words low light work ... Rob didn't say that he was doing any, he said the LX and some older lenses was good for it. He said he liked the LX interchangeable finders. He's also making an assessment of the D200 without any experience with it. And presuming that it was substantially worse than the performance of, say, a D5. Types of photography I'd consider to be subject categories, like portraiture, landscape, sports-photo journalism, editorial, product and table-top, street photography, etc. Low Light work is too broad a term. It refers to a technical capability, not a photographic endeavor. To wit: my low light work ... people/street photography, hand held, with a fast lens and an *istDS: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/26.htm ... night urbanscape, hand held, with a fast lens and an *ist DS: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW5/38p.htm My feeling is that Rob just wants a Canon 5D. He should just buy one. No one will think the worse of him for buying a Canon, or if they do they're being foolish. The problem with these equipment centric discussions is that they undermine the priority of photographic endeavors and aesthetics in favor of spec sheet comparisons. Godfrey
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*ist D ( or successor) +DA 40 F2.8 +DA 21 F3.2 +DA 70 F2.4 Together they mean that in my next fight with British Airways over carry-on weight, I'll win (again). These can just about all go in a pocket. Joe
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:57:53AM +, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: There's a DA 50-135/2.8 on the way as well. Looks like 2006 is going to be expensive. Not really, it's a DA. So's the 12-24, and that's almost into four figures. The 10-17 fisheye isn't all that much cheaper. I fear that the new body, a new grip, and the 10-17, 16-50 and 50-135 won't leave any change from $5000.
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John Francis wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:57:53AM +, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: There's a DA 50-135/2.8 on the way as well. Looks like 2006 is going to be expensive. Not really, it's a DA. So's the 12-24, and that's almost into four figures. The 10-17 fisheye isn't all that much cheaper. I fear that the new body, a new grip, and the 10-17, 16-50 and 50-135 won't leave any change from $5000. I think Kostas' point was that he won't buy DA glass. -Adam
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I think Kostas' point was that he won't buy DA glass. -Adam I think that's all we're going to see in PK mount. I'm fine with that. Paul
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Kostas' point was that he won't buy DA glass. -Adam I think that's all we're going to see in PK mount. I'm fine with that. Paul Makes sense, since I don't expect Pentax to introduce any 35mm cameras in the future, and also don't expect the film offerings to stay in the catalog much longer (Barring maybe the ZX-M). In fact I wouldn't be shocked for Pentax to kill all the film bodies and sell the Cosina Camera as a 'student' film body (A la Nikon FM10) to keep a strong presence in education. -Adam
On lens road map
Hi! Ladies and gents, I am rather puzzled by two Pentax limited lenses - the most modern ones - the 40 mm and 70 mm. I see no other reason for their introduction except size and may be price. Pentax already produces outstanding 43 and 77 mm limited lenses. They work very well on *istD and on film. I think (hope probably would be better term) that they would work just as well on 10 MP *istD successor. Why do I feel that they are trying to beat the dead horse by labeling those lenses limited... Don't you agree??? Boris
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I agree. They will be about as compact as an old range finder with lenses having corresponding fields of view. DagT Den 24. feb. 2006 kl. 18.31 skrev jtainter: *ist D ( or successor) +DA 40 F2.8 +DA 21 F3.2 +DA 70 F2.4 Together they mean that in my next fight with British Airways over carry-on weight, I'll win (again). These can just about all go in a pocket. Joe
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On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 06:44:23PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Kostas' point was that he won't buy DA glass. -Adam I think that's all we're going to see in PK mount. I'm fine with that. Paul I'd say that the announcement of DA f2.8 zooms which replace the previous FA* ones pretty much confirms we won't see a 'full frame' K-mount body. I'm fine with that, too - I never expected one. I also expect that, if Pentax are going to offer USM and/or IS, it will have to show up on these lenses. They might, perhaps, get away with one more body without the feature (although even that would be pushing their luck, to my mind), but I don't see too many people prepared to buy the new zooms now who would pay yet again to add just those features - I certainly would not.
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On Feb 24, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: Ladies and gents, I am rather puzzled by two Pentax limited lenses - the most modern ones - the 40 mm and 70 mm. I see no other reason for their introduction except size and may be price. Pentax already produces outstanding 43 and 77 mm limited lenses. They work very well on *istD and on film. I think (hope probably would be better term) that they would work just as well on 10 MP *istD successor. I've been hoping that they would simply update the lens mount on the FA77/1.8 to a D-FA so that I can get the QuickShift focusing feature. Perhaps they decided to reformulate it at the same time. What I find disappointing is the loss of nearly a stop in speed if this is the case. Why do I feel that they are trying to beat the dead horse by labeling those lenses limited... I never did get what Limited was supposed to mean anyway, vs the FA* labeling. Silly games in naming. Godfrey
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Hi! Why do I feel that they are trying to beat the dead horse by labeling those lenses limited... I never did get what Limited was supposed to mean anyway, vs the FA* labeling. Silly games in naming. Godfrey, remember in Men In Black (the first one), when Will Smith is passing that exam? Limited - The best of the best of the best... :-) Boris
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- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ladies and gents, I am rather puzzled by two Pentax limited lenses - the most modern ones - the 40 mm and 70 mm. I see no other reason for their introduction except size and may be price. But size and price are very important market niches. I think it is brilliant except that I am reluctant to buy lenses without aperture rings. I think small, quality and affordable has been totally lacking from Nikon and Canons line-op where generally speaking good is large and heavy and small is crap. I think Pentax are on the right track. Pål
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: On Fri, Feb 24, 2006 at 09:57:53AM +, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, John Francis wrote: There's a DA 50-135/2.8 on the way as well. Looks like 2006 is going to be expensive. Not really, it's a DA. So's the 12-24, and that's almost into four figures. I was being cheeky: I thought a DFA was suggested in the previous roadmap and had suggested this lens might be the first new lens I buy in years. The DA lens is useless to me. Kostas
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On 2006-02-24, at 20:20, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I never did get what Limited was supposed to mean anyway, vs the FA* labeling. Silly games in naming. For me FA* were high performance lenses with modern build quality (mixture of plastic and metal) while Limiteds are from old school - no compromise on materials and build quality as well as optical quality. And Limiteds are quite small compared to rather big FA* tubes ;-) -- Best regards Sylwek
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On 2006-02-24, at 19:55, Boris Liberman wrote: Ladies and gents, I am rather puzzled by two Pentax limited lenses - the most modern ones - the 40 mm and 70 mm. I see no other reason for their introduction except size and may be price. Pentax already produces outstanding 43 and 77 mm limited lenses. They work very well on *istD and on film. I think (hope probably would be better term) that they would work just as well on 10 MP *istD successor. Well, for me they are exceptionally small and light, even smaller than FF Limiteds. I must confess that I just got one *ist Dl in set with DA 40/2.8 and looks quite unusual but it is very decent performer! The set is not that much bigger than some digicams - almost pocketable ;-) Why do I feel that they are trying to beat the dead horse by labeling those lenses limited... Because they got that exceptionall feeling - they are all metal, first rate mechanically and optically lenses. And they have QSF - very useful feature to switch between AF and MF. I will probably get another DA Ltd. when it is available. Best regards Sylwek
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On 24 Feb 2006 at 8:01, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I don't see a definition for a kind of photography in that quote, Kostas. I see a statement relating to a kind of equipment. What kind of PHOTOGRAPHS is the equipment intended to make? That's photography. Just butting in here for a minute, my photographic endeavours include quite a lot of mid-high energy concert photography these days, and as a consequence generally I find myself shooting in very low light/poor quality light environs. Static low light or slow moving subjects of course I can tackle with other cameras, the problem is that I like to use the best equipment for the job so that I obtain the best result. Pentax used to provide very adequate solutions however now it seems they are off in another direction. Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Hello Rob, Based on your description, am I to interpret that the issue with bodies has mostly to do with High ISO/Low Noise? Essentially a larger sensor becomes the real solution from the body side of things. That would mean either a full frame sensor or a MF body. So Nikon is no help to you either with problem? Seems that Canon full frame or MF becomes the choice. As for glass, high speed lenses are the order of the day - which has not been Pentax's direction for some time. For this, Canon becomes the only real option when combined with body requirements. Curious if I am understanding your issues? -- Best regards, Bruce Friday, February 24, 2006, 3:51:52 PM, you wrote: RS On 24 Feb 2006 at 8:01, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I don't see a definition for a kind of photography in that quote, Kostas. I see a statement relating to a kind of equipment. What kind of PHOTOGRAPHS is the equipment intended to make? That's photography. RS Just butting in here for a minute, my photographic endeavours include quite a RS lot of mid-high energy concert photography these days, and as a consequence RS generally I find myself shooting in very low light/poor quality light environs. RS Static low light or slow moving subjects of course I can tackle with other RS cameras, the problem is that I like to use the best equipment for the job so RS that I obtain the best result. Pentax used to provide very adequate solutions RS however now it seems they are off in another direction. RS Rob Studdert RS HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA RS Tel +61-2-9554-4110 RS UTC(GMT) +10 Hours RS [EMAIL PROTECTED] RS http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ RS Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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On 2006-02-25, at 00:51, Rob Studdert wrote: Just butting in here for a minute, my photographic endeavours include quite a lot of mid-high energy concert photography these days, and as a consequence generally I find myself shooting in very low light/poor quality light environs. Static low light or slow moving subjects of course I can tackle with other cameras, the problem is that I like to use the best equipment for the job so that I obtain the best result. Pentax used to provide very adequate solutions however now it seems they are off in another direction. Rob, if you are looking for top-notch very low light performance from camera, then there's no choice - only Canon 5D is capable of giving you that. It seems that other producers continue to build APS-C sensor based bodies and it seems that it won't change in the nearest future, even Canon has shown new EF-S 17-50/2.8 IS lens. APS-C will probably stay as a standard for DSLRs while FF cameras will become niche for specific demands like yours. If I would be you and could only afford it I would really switch to 5D and a few high speed L lenses. -- Best regards Sylwek
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On 24 Feb 2006 at 20:39, Pål Jensen wrote: But size and price are very important market niches. I think it is brilliant except that I am reluctant to buy lenses without aperture rings. Better get used to it, I'd be surprised to hear that you're expecting aperture rings on many of the lenses slated for release on the latest roadmap? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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Rob Studdert wrote: On 24 Feb 2006 at 20:39, Pål Jensen wrote: But size and price are very important market niches. I think it is brilliant except that I am reluctant to buy lenses without aperture rings. Better get used to it, I'd be surprised to hear that you're expecting aperture rings on many of the lenses slated for release on the latest roadmap? My guess is only the D-FA for the 645D will have aperture ring, while all others (being DA) won't. However, that could be enough for Pål. Dario
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On 24 Feb 2006 at 15:02, Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello Rob, Based on your description, am I to interpret that the issue with bodies has mostly to do with High ISO/Low Noise? Essentially a larger sensor becomes the real solution from the body side of things. That would mean either a full frame sensor or a MF body. So Nikon is no help to you either with problem? Seems that Canon full frame or MF becomes the choice. Hi Bruce, yes pretty much, I'm after the best low noise performance, low ISO there is far less difference between bodies. Digital MF bodies/backs however are generally lower sensitivity and the lenses are generally slower by up to a few stops so any potential advantage would be lost in any case. The 5D looks good, yes. As for glass, high speed lenses are the order of the day - which has not been Pentax's direction for some time. For this, Canon becomes the only real option when combined with body requirements. Curious if I am understanding your issues? True again. The problem is that is that the turn-around in Pentax has been creeping to this point, but now as you know it's patently obvious given the official dumping of the majority of the FA line and the new roadmap items. I thought it might get better but Pentax seem now simply hell bent on heading done the pretty/compact/light niche end of the market, and that's not where I want to go. Cheers, Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On Feb 24, 2006, at 8:14 PM, Rob Studdert wrote: Pentax seem now simply hell bent on heading done the pretty/compact/light niche end of the market, and that's not where I want to go. I don't know about pretty. I guess they're okay. And some of the new lenses seem to be upgrades in speed -- the 16-50/2,8 for example. It's the prosumer end of the market, and it offers some benefits you won't get from Canon and Nikon. I'd say that's good marketing. And for all but some highly specialized applications, it will produce as nice a photograph as any other camera. I would think the ten megapixel camera will have no problem producing excellent 16 x20 prints. Paul
Lens Road Map revised
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/lens/roadmap.pdf DA16-50/2.8! Cheers, Ken
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 09:20:47PM -0500, K.Takeshita wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/lens/roadmap.pdf DA16-50/2.8! Now we know why there's a rebate on the 16-45/4 There's a DA 50-135/2.8 on the way as well. Looks like 2006 is going to be expensive.
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On 23 Feb 2006 at 21:20, K.Takeshita wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/lens/roadmap.pdf DA16-50/2.8! Is anyone else more than a little confused over the inclusion of a DFA55/2.8 and DA70/2.4LTD? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Lens Road Map revised
- Original Message - From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is anyone else more than a little confused over the inclusion of a DFA55/2.8 and DA70/2.4LTD? I am confused over the D-FA 55/2.8 but not the 70/2.4 Limited.
Re: [Bulk] Re: Lens Road Map revised
On 2/23/06 10:37 PM, Rob Studdert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DFA55/2.8 This is for 645D Ken
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On 2/23/06 9:32 PM, John Francis, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 09:20:47PM -0500, K.Takeshita wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/lens/roadmap.pdf DA16-50/2.8! Now we know why there's a rebate on the 16-45/4 There's a DA 50-135/2.8 on the way as well. Looks like 2006 is going to be expensive. If the new D has good performance in high ISO (low noise), and possibly with some sort of image stabilization, those small pocketable primes are wonderful. I would rather prefer compact and lighter lenses without going too fast an aperture. Chhers, Ken
Re: [Bulk] Re: Lens Road Map revised
- Original Message - From: K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] DFA55/2.8 This is for 645D That make sense. It will be the new standard lens. The D FA label probably (almost certainly) indicate that it will be full frame and that it will fit film 645 as well. That strongly indicate that it have aperture ring (thank God).
Re: Lens Road Map revised
On 24 Feb 2006 at 3:41, Pål Jensen wrote: I am confused over the D-FA 55/2.8 but not the 70/2.4 Limited. Yes I guess it would look good next to my 77/1.8LTD if I was trying to find the smallest least usable lenses. All I can think is what the hell are they thinking, how many lenses at or around 50 and 70mm do we really need? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: [Bulk] Re: Lens Road Map revised
On 23 Feb 2006 at 21:42, K.Takeshita wrote: On 2/23/06 10:37 PM, Rob Studdert, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DFA55/2.8 This is for 645D Thanks Ken, that makes much more sense now, still doesn't account for the 70mm though? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
Re: Lens Road Map revised
Weird... Tom C. From: Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: Lens Road Map revised Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:37:24 +1000 On 23 Feb 2006 at 21:20, K.Takeshita wrote: http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/lens/roadmap.pdf DA16-50/2.8! Is anyone else more than a little confused over the inclusion of a DFA55/2.8 and DA70/2.4LTD? Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
