Re: Got myself a new lens

[Henk Terhell]

OK, welcome in the club.
I love my 55-300 PLM in particular for the short distance of 95 cm 
making it an excellent semi-macro lens at 300 mm.


Henk

Op 2024-03-15 om 13:35 schreef Postmaster:

Henk Terhell wrote:


I have the PLM type of 55-300 which is always attached to my K-70.
However the PLM lens is not compatible with a K-5 II.

My bad. Typo. My new camera is a K-3ii, not K-5.
Works a treat with the new PLM lens.


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Re: Got myself a new lens

[Alan C]

I thought he bought a K3ii with built in GPS?

Alan C

On 15-Mar-24 10:48 AM, Henk Terhell wrote:

I have the PLM type of 55-300 which is always attached to my K-70.
However the PLM lens is not compatible with a K-5 II.

Henk

Op 2024-03-15 om 07:43 schreef Alan Cole:
I don't think you'll be disappointed. Henk Terhell in Belgium uses 
his with
great success for virtually everything. I have the screw-drive WR 
version

which is pretty good too.
Alan C

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:52 PM Mark 
Roberts

wrote:


Not content with buying a camera recently (a lovely K-5ii), I decided
this week to treat myself to a new lens. I haven't bought a lens
since... 2018, I think (it was the 28-105 for the K-1). Anyway, I just
bought another travel lens for the trips we have planned for the
summer: walking England and Scotland in May and bicycling Belgium
August. With the outdoorsiness factor weighing heavily I went for a
weather-sealed lens, the DA 55-300. I already had the older,
non-weather-sealed budget version but the new one is very much nicer.
In-lens focusing motor is silent and very quick. Build quality seems
excellent. I'll take some test shots soon to check out the optics but
if it's as good as the older one I'lkl be very happy indeed.

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Re: Got myself a new lens

[Postmaster]

Henk Terhell wrote:

>I have the PLM type of 55-300 which is always attached to my K-70.
>However the PLM lens is not compatible with a K-5 II.

My bad. Typo. My new camera is a K-3ii, not K-5.
Works a treat with the new PLM lens.
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Re: Got myself a new lens

[Henk Terhell]

I have the PLM type of 55-300 which is always attached to my K-70.
However the PLM lens is not compatible with a K-5 II.

Henk

Op 2024-03-15 om 07:43 schreef Alan Cole:

I don't think you'll be disappointed. Henk Terhell in Belgium uses his with
great success for virtually everything. I have the screw-drive WR version
which is pretty good too.
Alan C

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:52 PM Mark Roberts
wrote:


Not content with buying a camera recently (a lovely K-5ii), I decided
this week to treat myself to a new lens. I haven't bought a lens
since... 2018, I think (it was the 28-105 for the K-1). Anyway, I just
bought another travel lens for the trips we have planned for the
summer: walking England and Scotland in May and bicycling Belgium
August. With the outdoorsiness factor weighing heavily I went for a
weather-sealed lens, the DA 55-300. I already had the older,
non-weather-sealed budget version but the new one is very much nicer.
In-lens focusing motor is silent and very quick. Build quality seems
excellent. I'll take some test shots soon to check out the optics but
if it's as good as the older one I'lkl be very happy indeed.

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Re: Got myself a new lens

[Alan Cole]

I don't think you'll be disappointed. Henk Terhell in Belgium uses his with
great success for virtually everything. I have the screw-drive WR version
which is pretty good too.
Alan C

On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:52 PM Mark Roberts 
wrote:

> Not content with buying a camera recently (a lovely K-5ii), I decided
> this week to treat myself to a new lens. I haven't bought a lens
> since... 2018, I think (it was the 28-105 for the K-1). Anyway, I just
> bought another travel lens for the trips we have planned for the
> summer: walking England and Scotland in May and bicycling Belgium
> August. With the outdoorsiness factor weighing heavily I went for a
> weather-sealed lens, the DA 55-300. I already had the older,
> non-weather-sealed budget version but the new one is very much nicer.
> In-lens focusing motor is silent and very quick. Build quality seems
> excellent. I'll take some test shots soon to check out the optics but
> if it's as good as the older one I'lkl be very happy indeed.
>
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Re: Got myself a new lens

[Ralf R Radermacher]

Am 14.03.24 um 22:45 schrieb Mark Roberts:

...I went for a
weather-sealed lens, the DA 55-300.
Bought one, years ago, and love it to bits. Great handling and quality 
if you stay away from the very long end (i.e. 270 mm and up).


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Re: Got myself a new lens

[lrc]

I'm interested in how it works on the k1

On March 14, 2024 2:45:29 PM PDT, Mark Roberts  
wrote:
>Not content with buying a camera recently (a lovely K-5ii), I decided
>this week to treat myself to a new lens. I haven't bought a lens
>since... 2018, I think (it was the 28-105 for the K-1). Anyway, I just
>bought another travel lens for the trips we have planned for the
>summer: walking England and Scotland in May and bicycling Belgium
>August. With the outdoorsiness factor weighing heavily I went for a
>weather-sealed lens, the DA 55-300. I already had the older,
>non-weather-sealed budget version but the new one is very much nicer.
>In-lens focusing motor is silent and very quick. Build quality seems
>excellent. I'll take some test shots soon to check out the optics but
>if it's as good as the older one I'lkl be very happy indeed.
> 
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Got myself a new lens

[Mark Roberts]

Not content with buying a camera recently (a lovely K-5ii), I decided
this week to treat myself to a new lens. I haven't bought a lens
since... 2018, I think (it was the 28-105 for the K-1). Anyway, I just
bought another travel lens for the trips we have planned for the
summer: walking England and Scotland in May and bicycling Belgium
August. With the outdoorsiness factor weighing heavily I went for a
weather-sealed lens, the DA 55-300. I already had the older,
non-weather-sealed budget version but the new one is very much nicer.
In-lens focusing motor is silent and very quick. Build quality seems
excellent. I'll take some test shots soon to check out the optics but
if it's as good as the older one I'lkl be very happy indeed.
 
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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[P. J. Alling]

Heck, I'm still using the 85 f2.0.  It's small, light weight, (no bigger 
than a 50mm really), and on APS-C gives something between good and great 
results.


It's just a good thing that my eyes are still pretty good since it's 
manual focus, and I use it mostly in low light where the green button 
gives a decent approximation of correct exposure, since the lens is wide 
open most of the time.


On 3/26/2020 5:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:

Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...

Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have other 
underlying conditions.

The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it was a 
very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this is now.
Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to all sorts 
of fringing.
Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and a great deal of 
three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you get it right" says a 
lot more than the lens delivers.
It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make it out 
to be.

bill

This sort of discussion is kind of like when someone posts “I just bought a 
K-70 and I want another lens, which lens should I buy?”, the only appropriate 
response is “for what sort of photography?”.

Alternatively, deciding between the 77/1.8 and the new 85/1.4 is like deciding 
between a 30W tube amp and a 100W solid state amplifier (*).  Some people will 
argue that the solid state amp is more accurate, and others that the tube amp 
sounds better. Some people will say that the tube amp is better for some sorts 
of music and the solid state better for others.

One thing that I know about my 77 is that for many years after I got it, I 
could not look through the viewfinder when it was on my camera, without it 
making me smile.  If you define “imperfection” as difference from an exact 
representation of the scene, every lens has imperfections, some of them are 
pleasing to some, some are displeasing.  It’s kind of like the ginger who hates 
the freckles that you think are so incredibly attractive.

I’ve learned that in low light conditions, the difference of 2/3 stop can make 
a lot more difference than one would guess.  I’ve also learned that with 
(pentax) autofocus, more magnification means more separation between autofocus 
points, and less chance that the camera will focus on the thing that you don’t 
want it to.  The 85/1.4 is also weather sealed, which can make a big difference 
when shooting outdoors.  On the other hand, it’ll probably weigh about the same 
as my 77, 43, 31, and FA50 all put together.  And for that matter, until they 
hit the used market, I’d probably have to sell all of those to have enough 
money to buy a new 85/1.4.

I expect that when things settle that they will both be great lenses, that in 
most cases the optical differences between them won’t matter, but there will be 
cases where one would be better than the other.


* As an aside, it turns out that someone I was having a debate with on facebook 
was involved in the design of the NAD3020, which was the first piece of audio 
gear that I bought, and amazing piece of kit, especially for the price.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Doug Brewer]

Not heresy at all, Bill, because it depends on what you're looking for 
in a lens. I find that good lenses designed for film, including of 
course the 77, have qualities that modulate the ever sharper, ever more 
detailed efforts of digital sensors available today.


If I were more heavily involved with photography requiring absolute 
resolution, I would likely carry more interest in the current lens 
array, including the newly announced 85, but since the majority of my 
current work calls for a subtler approach to fidelity, the 77 delivers 
what I want.


I haven't run across much fringing, but I mostly use the lens in 
controlled conditions unlikely to introduce it.


Yes, the AF is slow/clunky, which is sometimes an issue, and that it has 
a somewhat unfortunate minimum focusing distance is a niggle. God gave 
me feet for a reason, I guess.


My probably more important point, which got lost, is that the new 85 is 
just too close in length to the 77 to justify its addition to my bag 
despite the speed increase, when the 77 does the job for me.


The cost is also a consideration, especially in the current climate, 
when what I do, which is up and down at the best of times, is now 
virtually dead.


Do report back what you think of the new lens when it reaches you. I'm 
not terribly active on the list but I do keep up somewhat, and obviously 
the announcement of new product caught my attention.


Doug

On 3/26/20 4:55 PM, Bill wrote:

On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:

Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...


Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have 
other underlying conditions.


The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it 
was a very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this 
is now.
Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to 
all sorts of fringing.
Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and 
a great deal of three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you 
get it right" says a lot more than the lens delivers.
It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make 
it out to be.


bill



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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 1:55 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:
>> Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...
> 
> Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have other 
> underlying conditions.
> 
> The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it was a 
> very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this is now.
> Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to all 
> sorts of fringing.
> Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and a 
> great deal of three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you get it 
> right" says a lot more than the lens delivers.
> It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make it 
> out to be.
> 
> bill

This sort of discussion is kind of like when someone posts “I just bought a 
K-70 and I want another lens, which lens should I buy?”, the only appropriate 
response is “for what sort of photography?”.

Alternatively, deciding between the 77/1.8 and the new 85/1.4 is like deciding 
between a 30W tube amp and a 100W solid state amplifier (*).  Some people will 
argue that the solid state amp is more accurate, and others that the tube amp 
sounds better. Some people will say that the tube amp is better for some sorts 
of music and the solid state better for others.  

One thing that I know about my 77 is that for many years after I got it, I 
could not look through the viewfinder when it was on my camera, without it 
making me smile.  If you define “imperfection” as difference from an exact 
representation of the scene, every lens has imperfections, some of them are 
pleasing to some, some are displeasing.  It’s kind of like the ginger who hates 
the freckles that you think are so incredibly attractive.

I’ve learned that in low light conditions, the difference of 2/3 stop can make 
a lot more difference than one would guess.  I’ve also learned that with 
(pentax) autofocus, more magnification means more separation between autofocus 
points, and less chance that the camera will focus on the thing that you don’t 
want it to.  The 85/1.4 is also weather sealed, which can make a big difference 
when shooting outdoors.  On the other hand, it’ll probably weigh about the same 
as my 77, 43, 31, and FA50 all put together.  And for that matter, until they 
hit the used market, I’d probably have to sell all of those to have enough 
money to buy a new 85/1.4.

I expect that when things settle that they will both be great lenses, that in 
most cases the optical differences between them won’t matter, but there will be 
cases where one would be better than the other.


* As an aside, it turns out that someone I was having a debate with on facebook 
was involved in the design of the NAD3020, which was the first piece of audio 
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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 8:42 PM, d...@dougbrewerphoto.com wrote:

Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...


Heresy alert: Don't read past this if you are faint of heart our have 
other underlying conditions.


The 77 is a good lens, on film with the AF that we had at the time it 
was a very good lens, maybe even a great lens, but that was then, this 
is now.
Today, the 77 is a dated design with slow AF gearing that is prone to 
all sorts of fringing.
Yeah, it's under corrected spherical aberration gives it nice bokeh and 
a great deal of three dimensional effect, but to just toss off "when you 
get it right" says a lot more than the lens delivers.
It's not all hat, no cattle, but it's herd is not as big as people make 
it out to be.


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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

> On Mar 26, 2020, at 7:36 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> On 26/3/20, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:
> 
>> This is a similar "Object Of Desire" for me ... 
>> https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700917037_bf4e7e8f52_o.jpg
>> 
>> It's at a higher altitude than my pay grade will fly at present. :-\
>> ... Perhaps it's time to sell some stuff. ];-)
> 
> There must be a few of those on the moon……

I doubt it, since this lens was only put into production and released for 
purchase about 9 months ago. I haven't seen any reports of the "Hasselblad 
Space Delivery" program carrying equipment for Moon use this past year, yet. 
Odder, less likely things *are* happening so it remains a future possibility…  

:D

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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On 26/3/20, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed:

>This is a similar "Object Of Desire" for me ... 
>https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700917037_bf4e7e8f52_o.jpg
>
>It's at a higher altitude than my pay grade will fly at present. :-\
>... Perhaps it's time to sell some stuff. ];-)

There must be a few of those on the moon..

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

Looks lovely! Not that I have any use for it, but it's great to see new lenses 
of exceptional quality (presuming). 

This is a similar "Object Of Desire" for me … 
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49700917037_bf4e7e8f52_o.jpg

It's at a higher altitude than my pay grade will fly at present. :-\
… Perhaps it's time to sell some stuff. ];-)

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens 
> coming out.
> 
> 
> 
> I think I just wee'd in my pants.






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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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Yeah, all they ever learn ia how to cost reduce it  and sell
it for the same price for a bigger profit.
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Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...

Sent  from my phone, which I’m staring at instead of doing actual work.


I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Paul Stenquist]

Yep. A must have. My Portrait lens is the smc Pentax 85/1.8. A nice piece but 
of another age.

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 4:06 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
>> Nope. Too close to the 77 in length, when the 77 is already comprehensively 
>> magical.
> 
> I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.
> 
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Has it been 21 years? Holy smoke. Still, when you get it right...

Sent  from my phone, which I’m staring at instead of doing actual work.

> I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.
> 
> bill
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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 6:36 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:


He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
  



Hey, that's spelled with a capital M.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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Larry Colen wrote:

>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Bill  wrote:
>> 
>> On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:
 
 On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
> On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>> I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
>> copy before it's released.
> There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.
 
 I like Messiah if it isn't taken.
>>> Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.
>> 
>> And here I am!!
>> 
>> M.
>
>You put the “hot mess” in Messiah.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

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On 3/25/2020 4:48 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
copy before it's released.

There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.


I like Messiah if it isn't taken.

Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.


And here I am!!

M.


You put the “hot mess” in Messiah.


Be nice.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 3:42 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.





I’m very interested in this.  I’d love to have something longer and faster than 
my 77, but it’s hard to imagine it having a better flavor of pixie dust.

I also have a hunch that it’ll be close in size/weight to my 15-30.

Unfortunately, I don’t see one landing in my camera bag in the near future.



Here's the official announcement:
http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info2/2020/20200324_028718.html

Size wise, ~95mm x 123.5mm, and probably somewhere in the 1.1-1.2 kg range.

There is going to be a lot of glass in that one.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
>>> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
 On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
> I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
> copy before it's released.
 There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.
>>> 
>>> I like Messiah if it isn't taken.
>> Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.
> 
> And here I am!!
> 
> M.

You put the “hot mess” in Messiah.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 4:35 PM, Larry Colen wrote:



On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:

On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
copy before it's released.

There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.


I like Messiah if it isn't taken.


Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.


And here I am!!

M.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 4:06 PM, Doug Brewer wrote:
Nope. Too close to the 77 in length, when the 77 is already 
comprehensively magical.


I'm thinking that they've learned a few things in the last 21 years.

bill


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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:32 PM, Bill  wrote:
> 
> On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:
>> On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:
>>> I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
>>> copy before it's released.
>> There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.
> 
> I like Messiah if it isn't taken.

Yeah, but rumor has it that it’ll be back again.


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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 3:33 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:


I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my
copy before it's released.


There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.



I like Messiah if it isn't taken.

bill

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Doug Brewer]

Nope. Too close to the 77 in length, when the 77 is already 
comprehensively magical.


On 3/25/20 8:43 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.



I think I just wee'd in my pants.






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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Larry Colen]

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:43 AM, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens 
> coming out.
> 
> 
> 

I’m very interested in this.  I’d love to have something longer and faster than 
my 77, but it’s hard to imagine it having a better flavor of pixie dust.  

I also have a hunch that it’ll be close in size/weight to my 15-30.  

Unfortunately, I don’t see one landing in my camera bag in the near future.  


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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/3/20, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my 
>copy before it's released.

There's a name for people like you. Take your pick.

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bill]

On 3/25/2020 6:43 AM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.



I think I just wee'd in my pants.




I'll tell you what it's like. I expect that, as always, I will get my 
copy before it's released.


bill

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Steve Cottrell]

On 25/3/20, John, discombobulated, unleashed:

>Oo ... Cotty's gonna' have to buy a new hacksaw.

Nh - no APERTURE RING !!!

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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[John]

Oo ... Cotty's gonna' have to buy a new hacksaw.

On 3/25/2020 08:43:43, Steve Cottrell wrote:

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.



I think I just wee'd in my pants.







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Re: Pentax Announces New Lens

[Bob Pdml]

Wow. 

The lens, I mean, not the wee. We know you do that at your age. And dribble a 
bit.



> On 25 Mar 2020, at 12:44, Steve Cottrell  wrote:
> 
> For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens 
> coming out.
> 
> 
> 
> I think I just wee'd in my pants.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
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Pentax Announces New Lens

[Steve Cottrell]

For all you hunky K1 users, there's a stinking new D-FA* 85mm f1.4 lens coming 
out.



I think I just wee'd in my pants.




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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Darren Addy]

Exactly, Mr. Harley.
My boss's father, the former CEO of his family of companies, often
says that he would rather have $1 from 1 million people, than he would
$1 million dollars from one person. It doesn't take a lot of deep
reflection to figure out which is the better business model. Add to
that concept $1 per MONTH from a million people and you have now
effectively made your business a utility, like the electric bill. One
that your subscribers would presumably have a hard time living
without.

There are exercise/workout businesses now whose entire business model
is making their monthly fees so low that people won't quit - even
though 80% of their members NEVER come in to workout. What does the
business care? They'd rather get their money for nothing (and their
chicks for free).

Imagine being a software developer and selling a high ticket piece of
software. Maybe 3 out of 10 people who want your product will justify
the high cost and purchase it. As soon as one version is released you
need to start working on the next, with only the revenue of the
previous version (and upgrades to it) to support your efforts. How
much better would it be to make a subscription model, where 10 out of
10 people who want it could afford your product and you will have a
known amount of money coming in next month... and the month after
that... that you can use to accurately project costs and profits.

The thing I think we all worry about is how high the monthly
subscription rate will go, particularly with a product that has
virtually no competition like Photoshop.

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 10:50 AM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:
 On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote:

 A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and
 photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime.


 right, it's a license violation, not a theft

 i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the
 widespread pirating of their large collection of fonts because it made
 their fonts ubiquitous, and it supported their other offerings

 the subscription model is not so much about license violations, though, it's
 because it is harder and harder to excite people about buying the next
 version when their apps are more or less feature-complete; death of print
 has something to do with it as well; revenue from the apps in Creative Cloud
 apps was on a long-term revenue slide when the subscription strategy was
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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[steve harley]

On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote:

A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying 
it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime.


right, it's a license violation, not a theft

i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the 
widespread pirating of their large collection of fonts because it made 
their fonts ubiquitous, and it supported their other offerings


the subscription model is not so much about license violations, though, it's 
because it is harder and harder to excite people about buying the next 
version when their apps are more or less feature-complete; death of print 
has something to do with it as well; revenue from the apps in Creative Cloud 
apps was on a long-term revenue slide when the subscription strategy was 
launched


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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Brian Walters]

Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:


The thing I think we all worry about is how high the monthly
subscription rate will go, particularly with a product that has
virtually no competition like Photoshop.



I'm not sure that there's no competition.  For the Mac platform  
Serif's recent release, Affinity Photo,  seems to be getting good  
reviews as a Photoshop alternative (I'm not a Mac man so I don't know  
for sure about that). Even software like Zoner Photo Studio is getting  
better all the time in raw support.


The thing is, though, older versions of Photoshop still do most of the  
things that newer versions do.  Certainly I could live with CS3 if the  
CC subscription becomes outrageous. Of course, if Adobe lumped their  
DNG Converter into the CC subscription, that might complicate things  
with newer cameras.



Cheers

Brian

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On 2015-04-24 23:45 , Bob W-PDML wrote:


A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and
photocopying it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime.



right, it's a license violation, not a theft

i proposed a theory many years ago that Adobe purposely tolerated the
widespread pirating of their large collection of fonts because it made
their fonts ubiquitous, and it supported their other offerings

the subscription model is not so much about license violations, though, it's
because it is harder and harder to excite people about buying the next
version when their apps are more or less feature-complete; death of print
has something to do with it as well; revenue from the apps in Creative Cloud
apps was on a long-term revenue slide when the subscription strategy was
launched





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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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On Apr 25, 2015, at 1:15 am, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their
 responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO
 EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of
 Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and
 intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with
 college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked
 versions do and don't do).

I think of this every time I watch a DVD.
http://i.imgur.com/GxzeV.jpg

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Bill]

On 24/04/2015 11:45 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 25 Apr 2015, at 01:03, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:






The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of
Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have
bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly
buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were
in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from
piracy.


I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought of 
since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the dealership.



Naturally I disagree with people stealing Photoshop, or Ferraris or whatever 
else, but the analogy is incorrect since copying a piece of software doesn't 
deprive anyone else of the software or (assuming the thief would never have 
bought it) deprive the seller of revenue, whereas if I stole a car the 
legitimate owner no longer has it and can't get any revenue from it. In that 
sense I'd say pirating software is a lesser crime than stealing a car.

A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying 
it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime.

B


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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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On 2015-04-23 22:56 , Brian Walters wrote:

I snaffled one of the preset macro Takumar's a few years ago.  I've been
trying it on my Q recently but it's too long for hand-holding on that format.


i've got one that lives on my partner's micro-four thirds camera; it was her 
only lens for a while



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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Mark Roberts]

Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at 
ways to plug the leaks too.

I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their
responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO
EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of
Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and
intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with
college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked
versions do and don't do).

Their goal is admirable but their approach is fundamentally flawed.

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Bill]

On 23/04/2015 11:58 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net:


Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES!


Starting??
If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at 
ways to plug the leaks too.
I don't have any special love for Adobe, but we are where we are with 
them for a reason.


Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new
camera support etc for CS6.  They're really trying to move users to the
CC world.  I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone version.


CS6 is apparently the last stand alone version of Photoshop, so I 
wouldn't be surprised if Lightroom goes the same way.



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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Rob Studdert]

If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications
were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far
lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume.


On 24 April 2015 at 23:15, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:

If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at
ways to plug the leaks too.

 I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their
 responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO
 EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of
 Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and
 intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with
 college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked
 versions do and don't do).

 Their goal is admirable but their approach is fundamentally flawed.

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Mark Roberts]

Brian Walters wrote:

Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:

 If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications
 were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far
 lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume.

Agreed.  At least the CC Subscription price is affordable.  Wonder how  
long that will last?

The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of
Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have
bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly
buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were
in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from
piracy.

I think the subscription model, far from being an attempt to reduce
piracy, is a result of Adobe *realizing* that ending piracy would have
very little effect on their bottom line and looking for an alternative
way to increase revenue.
 
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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Mark Roberts]

Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am. 

Don't be so hard on yourself. You're quite good at complaining about
people complaining. :)
 
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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Bill]

On 24/04/2015 4:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:


Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:


If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications
were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far
lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume.


Chicken or egg, perhaps?

It doesn't matter how something is priced, people will steal it.
FFS, the most stolen items from my hardware store cost less than 5 dollars.

They could have priced Photoshop for the equivalent of 50 of today's 
dollars and people would have stolen it, and all Adobe would have 
succeeded at doing is cheapening their brand.





Agreed.  At least the CC Subscription price is affordable.  Wonder how
long that will last?


The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of
Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have
bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly
buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were
in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from
piracy.


I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought 
of since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the 
dealership.





I think the subscription model, far from being an attempt to reduce
piracy, is a result of Adobe *realizing* that ending piracy would have
very little effect on their bottom line and looking for an alternative
way to increase revenue.





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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Godfrey DiGiorgi]

What I find on so many photography lists and forums is that whenever the 
manufacturers announce something new, people go out of their way to whine, 
bitch, and moan about the manufacturer, the new product, the old products, the 
prices, the policies, … whatever. 

Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am. 

Me, I am nearly always surprised and delighted when Adobe, Pentax, Leica, 
Nikon, or Olympus announce a new product. Because my experience has been in 
nearly all cases that the new product was an improvement on the old, even if I 
didn't need it. 

I've not had a lot of time to work with LR6 just yet. But my initial reactions 
are simple: it's faster at import/export/rendering 1:1, the new panorama/HDR 
tools are nice, and they continue to offer it as a perpetual license/standalone 
product *as they said they would.* The five photos I've processed and exported 
using it look great. I paid my $80, downloaded and installed on two systems, 
and it's working without a hitch. 

The rest of the folderol all'y'all are going on about … I don't know what to 
make of it.

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[Mark Roberts]

Bill wrote:

On 24/04/2015 4:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of
 Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have
 bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly
 buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were
 in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from
 piracy.

I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought 
of since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the 
dealership.

Perhaps I wasn't clear: I'm not saying it's OK, I'm just saying Adobe
didn't lose much revenue over it. And I suspect their subscription
program is partly because they recognize that, too.
 
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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Mark Roberts]

Here's another, and ironic, side effect: The typical person who gets a
pirated version of Photoshop is someone who, if he couldn't have
acquired an illegal copy of Photoshop, would probably have bought a
cheaper image editor. Perhaps Photoshop Elements, but possibly Paint
Shop Pro, Photo Paint or whatever. Or perhaps a product that never
came to market but might have if not for the availability of free,
cracked copies of Photoshop.

Bizarrely, one of the things accomplished by pirated copies of
Photoshop is to make the market very, very tough for any possible
*competitor* to Photoshop.

 
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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Matthew Hunt]

On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 Hat's off to you: You folks are so much better complainers than I am.

 Don't be so hard on yourself. You're quite good at complaining about
 people complaining. :)

I've never met a metacomplainer like Godfrey! (Just kidding; I agree
with Godfrey. New Lightroom Day is one of my favorite days of the
year, and $10/month for Lightroom and Photoshop provides so much
capability, for a fraction of what I used to spend on film and
processing, that I'm hard pressed to complain about the cost.)

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On 25 Apr 2015, at 01:03, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of
 Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have
 bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly
 buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were
 in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from
 piracy.
 
 I think that's a little disingenuous. It's in the same train of thought of 
 since I will never buy a Ferrari it's OK if I steal one from the dealership.
 

Naturally I disagree with people stealing Photoshop, or Ferraris or whatever 
else, but the analogy is incorrect since copying a piece of software doesn't 
deprive anyone else of the software or (assuming the thief would never have 
bought it) deprive the seller of revenue, whereas if I stole a car the 
legitimate owner no longer has it and can't get any revenue from it. In that 
sense I'd say pirating software is a lesser crime than stealing a car.

A better analogy is photocopying a book rather than buying it, and photocopying 
it is a lesser crime than stealing it. But still a crime.

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[John]

On 4/24/2015 6:08 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

Brian Walters wrote:


Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:


If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications
were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far
lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume.


Agreed.  At least the CC Subscription price is affordable.  Wonder how
long that will last?


The thing is that the people who were using pirated copies of
Photoshop, etc. were, for the most part, people who would never have
bought it if they couldn't get it free – professionals overwhelmingly
buy their software legally. So no matter how many pirated copies were
in circulation, Adobe was really losing very little revenue from
piracy.

I think the subscription model, far from being an attempt to reduce
piracy, is a result of Adobe *realizing* that ending piracy would have
very little effect on their bottom line and looking for an alternative
way to increase revenue.




I haven't forgotten their login server debacle from last year.


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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:05 AM, Malcolm Smith rrve...@virginmedia.com wrote:
 Brian Walters wrote:

 Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new
 camera support etc for CS6.  They're really trying to move users to the
 CC world.  I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone
 version.

 I'm surprised that LR 6 was offered as a stand-alone product. The day comes
 shortly where upgrade equals monthly subscription.

After that day I'll be moving to Capture One, most likely. My only
concern is their slow support for Pentax.

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[Malcolm Smith]

Brian Walters wrote:

 Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new
 camera support etc for CS6.  They're really trying to move users to the
 CC world.  I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone
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I'm surprised that LR 6 was offered as a stand-alone product. The day comes
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[Brian Walters]

Quoting Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com:


If their pricing structure for the previous non-cloud applications
were reasonable over the years then they would likely have had far
lower piracy rates and a significantly higher purchase volume.



Agreed.  At least the CC Subscription price is affordable.  Wonder how  
long that will last?



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On 24 April 2015 at 23:15, Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote:


If 85% or more of what you made was stolen from you, you'd be looking at
ways to plug the leaks too.


I don't blame Adome for trying to stop piracy. But 99% of their
responses make it a pain in the arse for us *legal* users and have NO
EFFECT AT ALL on the pirates! In fact, the pirated versions of
Photoshop, etc. are blissfully free of the inconveniences and
intrusions we legitimate buyers have to put up with (I deal with
college students constantly so I'm well aware of what the cracked
versions do and don't do).

Their goal is admirable but their approach is fundamentally flawed.





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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Mark C]

Interesting images. A few years ago I experimented with the DFA100 and 
the 1.7x TC and also found it to be a very good combination. The Kiron 
MC7 2x that I also tried was not as good.


The 2:1 macro is very tempting but for me it falls between niches.

I would like to use it in the field where being able to focus from 
infinity to 2:1 would be great - but for field work I would want at 
least an A compatible lens to allow for open aperture metering and P-TTL 
flash. The Venus seems to be K compatible only, not KA.


In the studio I don't care about open aperture metering or P-TTL flash - 
in fact  the pre-flash on P-TTL interferes with setting up slave flashes 
with optical triggers so I usually wind up just using manual flash 
anyhow. But then - in the studio the infinity to  2:1 focus range is not 
important - the magnification can be customized using tubes, bellows, etc.


Mark

On 4/22/2015 11:30 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


It is indeed a rather interesting lens.
Thanks for posting the info.

As for 2:1, I am thinking about how often it gets practical (for me).
I've used the D-FA 100/2.8 with 1.7x for a few things like a fruit-fly 
caught by a spider, etc.
I know that when I tried to stack 2x on top of that it was too much 
(and the image was degraded - probably too much glass and it might 
also be that I was hitting the diffraction limit from the effective 
aperture).

I posted a few photos back in 2007:
http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9608.jpg
http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9609.jpg

The quality of the shots taken with DFA 100/2.8 + x1.7 was reasonable
(you may like or dislike the photos themselves- different people had 
different view on the composition,etc.):


http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9503.jpg
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9527.jpg

Here is the old message describing those:
https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40pdml.net/msg422565.html



So, yes, I would benefit from that lens occasionally.. But not sure, - 
how often.


Cheers,

Igor



On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the
realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount.
Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is
the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and
that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This 
lens

(at 2:1) is 4x that.




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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote:

All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1
magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro.


and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1

now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ?

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steve harley wrote:

On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote:
 All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1
 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro.

and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1

now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ?

Mostly the 50mm ones and the old, third-party 100mm f/3.5
 
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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar.
Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K, Takumar).

Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some
had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would get you there. The
famous Vivitar Series 1 Bokina and the later Tokina made version are
examples of that.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 steve harley wrote:

On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote:
 All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1
 magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro.

and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1

now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ?

 Mostly the 50mm ones and the old, third-party 100mm f/3.5

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[John]

Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES!


: As mentioned here, updates to Camera Raw for Photoshop CS6 only include
: new camera support, lens profile support, and bug fixes. The new
: features listed in the release notes are only available in Photoshop CC.


On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts...

I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported
looking for Pentax:
https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html

It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065

Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it:
http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046

A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also:
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Brian Walters]

Quoting John sesso...@earthlink.net:


Adobe are starting to be real ASSHOLES!


Starting??

Actually this is nothing new - I'm surprised they're even offering new  
camera support etc for CS6.  They're really trying to move users to  
the CC world.  I wouldn't be surprised if LR 6 is the last stand-alone  
version.



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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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Quoting Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com:


All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar.
Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K,  
Takumar).


Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some
had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would get you there. The
famous Vivitar Series 1 Bokina and the later Tokina made version are
examples of that.



The recent implementations of Tamron's 90mm 2.5 do 1:1 without the adapter.

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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Yep - those two plus the FA 100 f3.5 macro, though I think it had an 
optional converter (maybe ust an extension tube) that would allow it to 
go to 1:1. (Not sure if infinity focus was sacrificed when the converter 
was used.)


Mark

On 4/23/2015 6:29 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

All 50mm f/4 ones, except the preset Macro Takumar.
Also Pentax-M 100mm macro and earlier Pentax 100mm f/4 macros (M, K, Takumar).

Most of your other brand 90mm f2.5 macros will also only do 1:2. Some
had a separate 1:1 matched extender that would get you there. The
famous Vivitar Series 1 Bokina and the later Tokina made version are
examples of that.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:

steve harley wrote:


On 2015-04-22 19:42 , Mark Roberts wrote:

All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1
magnification. As did the A 200/4.0 macro and the FA 200/4.0 Macro.

and DA 35/2.8 Macro is also spec'd as 1:1

now i'm wondering which Pentax macro primes *aren't* 1:1 ?

Mostly the 50mm ones and the old, third-party 100mm f/3.5

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Darren Addy]

Thank Marks. I stand corrected.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:42 PM, Mark Roberts
postmas...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Mark C wrote:

Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1
means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life,  2:1
means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification
that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)?

 All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1
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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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It is indeed a rather interesting lens.
Thanks for posting the info.

As for 2:1, I am thinking about how often it gets practical (for me).
I've used the D-FA 100/2.8 with 1.7x for a few things like a fruit-fly 
caught by a spider, etc.
I know that when I tried to stack 2x on top of that it was too much (and 
the image was degraded - probably too much glass and it might also be 
that I was hitting the diffraction limit from the effective aperture).

I posted a few photos back in 2007:
http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9608.jpg
http://komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/100-2_0x-1_7x/IMGP9609.jpg

The quality of the shots taken with DFA 100/2.8 + x1.7 was reasonable
(you may like or dislike the photos themselves- different people had 
different view on the composition,etc.):


http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9503.jpg
http://www.komkon.org/~igor/PHOTOS/Raspberries/IMGP9527.jpg

Here is the old message describing those:
https://www.mail-archive.com/pdml%40pdml.net/msg422565.html



So, yes, I would benefit from that lens occasionally.. But not sure, - how 
often.


Cheers,

Igor



On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the
realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount.
Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is
the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and
that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens
(at 2:1) is 4x that.

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[Darren Addy]

oops. i think i've been corrected on that before  forgot about that
one. No you are correct, the Macro Takumar would be the same as that
one. But the Venus is twice life size.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 means
 the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life,  2:1 means 2x
 lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification that say, the
 DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)?


 On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the
 realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount.
 Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is
 the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and
 that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens
 (at 2:1) is 4x that.

 The number of aperture blades (and round aperture) should make for lovely
 bokeh.

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

 I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is
 indeed tempting.

 Mark


 On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts...

 I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported
 looking for Pentax:


 https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html

 It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of:
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065

 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it:
 http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530


 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046

 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also:


 https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Mark Roberts]

Mark C wrote:

Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 
means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life,  2:1 
means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification 
that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)?

All the 100mm f/2.8 macro lenses (A, F, FA and D-FA) did 1:1
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Not quite following you on the ratios... I've long thought that 1:1 
means the image on the sensor is the same size as in real life,  2:1 
means 2x lifesized. Did the Macro Takumar achieve greater magnification 
that say, the DFA 50mm macro (which Pentax specs as a 1:1 lens)?


On 4/22/2015 6:54 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the
realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount.
Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is
the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and
that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens
(at 2:1) is 4x that.

The number of aperture blades (and round aperture) should make for lovely bokeh.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:

I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is
indeed tempting.

Mark


On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts...

I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported
looking for Pentax:

https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html

It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065

Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it:
http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046

A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also:

https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Darren Addy]

Tempting indeed. I think that all PK users should get one before the
realize that the cool kids don't make their lenses in a PK mount.
Reading about it, it is also funny how many people think that 1:2 is
the same as 2:1. Pentax made only one macro lens that does 1:1 and
that was the old preset Macro-Takumar. The rest are all 1:2. This lens
(at 2:1) is 4x that.

The number of aperture blades (and round aperture) should make for lovely bokeh.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:47 PM, Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net wrote:
 I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is
 indeed tempting.

 Mark


 On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

 Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts...

 I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported
 looking for Pentax:

 https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html

 It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of:
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065

 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it:
 http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530

 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046

 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also:

 https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20

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New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Darren Addy]

Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts...

I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported
looking for Pentax:
https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html

It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065

Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it:
http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046

A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also:
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20

Color me impressed.

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

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There is a Flickr group for this lens with 179 images:
https://www.flickr.com/groups/venus_macro/



On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts...

 I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported
 looking for Pentax:
 https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html

 It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of:
 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065

 Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it:
 http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530
 http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046

 A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also:
 https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20

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Re: New Adobe Camera RAW release a new lens I was not aware of...

[Mark C]

I recall reading about that lens here on the PDML a few weeks ago. It is 
indeed tempting.


Mark

On 4/22/2015 6:00 PM, Darren Addy wrote:

Thought this might be of interest on multiple counts...

I saw that a new ACR was released and scanned the new lenses supported
looking for Pentax:
https://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2015/04/camera-raw-9-now-available.html

It was there I saw a lens I hadn't heard of:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=sku=1128065

Quite the specs. Here are a couple of early impressions of it:
http://regex.info/blog/2015-02-26/2530
http://www.ephotozine.com/article/venus-laowa-60mm-f-2-8-2-1-macro-lens-user-review-27046

A few images showing up correctly tagged on Flickr also:
https://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=relevancetext=Laowa%2060mm%20f%2F2.8%20

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Bruce Walker]

Not so non-trivial and laborious, Boris. Here's my layer stack, from the bottom:

copy of the original with 30px gaussian blur;
curves adjustment to brighten that;
the original, blending mode set to Soft Light;
copy of the original High-Pass'ed at 1px, blending mode set to overlay.

I think the result works very well. I might even make a Ps action out of it. :-)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2254722/PDML/BMW_7676-Edit-flattened.jpg


On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Bulent, I am very much no expert in photoshop. And since I fully switched to
 LightRoom when 1.0 came out, I did not follow as far as its improvements
 went. So I don't know. But it seems to me that to reproduce such an effect
 in post from regular sharp image will be a very non-trivial and laborious
 task.

 Meanwhile I'm enjoying my soft lens :-).


 On 1/26/2014 8:44 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

 Lovely effect from a custom made lens.

 Compared to a usual lens, it seems to save a lot of post processing
 time to reach a similar result.

 Bulent
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 2014-01-25 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:

 Hi!

 Have a look here:

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

 This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a
 kind
 lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related
 works including some very interesting lenses.

 This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order
 in a
 barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal
 length is 38 mm.

 I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

 Cheers!

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

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Lovely effect from a custom made lens.

Compared to a usual lens, it seems to save a lot of post processing
time to reach a similar result.

Bulent
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2014-01-25 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
 Hi!

 Have a look here:

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

 This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a kind
 lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related
 works including some very interesting lenses.

 This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order in a
 barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal
 length is 38 mm.

 I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

 Cheers!

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[knarf]

I thought I replied to this yesterday but it appears I was mistaken.

I like it. A lot.

Proves that sharpness isn't everything. Beautifully composed and rendered. 

Cheers 
frank

Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a 
kind lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography 
related works including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order

in a barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling.
The 
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

Boris

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Eactivist]

That's really soft. Interesting, good  composition, but not really sure I 
like it.

Marnie aka Doe :-) Take with  a grain of salt.

In a message dated 1/25/2014 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time, 
bori...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!

Have a look  here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This  shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a 
kind lens  that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography 
related works  including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape  lens and it was made to my custom order 
in a barrel with native Leica mount,  though no rangefinder coupling. The 
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very  happy about the shots I've been getting from  it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/  and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two  examples.

Cheers!

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Boris Liberman]

Bulent, I am very much no expert in photoshop. And since I fully 
switched to LightRoom when 1.0 came out, I did not follow as far as its 
improvements went. So I don't know. But it seems to me that to reproduce 
such an effect in post from regular sharp image will be a very 
non-trivial and laborious task.


Meanwhile I'm enjoying my soft lens :-).

On 1/26/2014 8:44 PM, Bulent Celasun wrote:

Lovely effect from a custom made lens.

Compared to a usual lens, it seems to save a lot of post processing
time to reach a similar result.

Bulent
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http://patoloji.gen.tr
http://celasun.wordpress.com/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bc_the_path/
http://photo.net/photodb/user?user_id=2226822
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2014-01-25 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:

Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a kind
lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related
works including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order in a
barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal
length is 38 mm.

I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

Boris

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Frank. You're being very kind. The great thing here is that as 
far as rendering goes, 99% was done in run-time and not in post.


On 1/26/2014 9:04 PM, knarf wrote:

I thought I replied to this yesterday but it appears I was mistaken.

I like it. A lot.

Proves that sharpness isn't everything. Beautifully composed and rendered.

Cheers
frank

Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a
kind lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography
related works including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order

in a barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling.
The
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

Boris


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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Marnie.


On 1/27/2014 1:21 AM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote:

That's really soft. Interesting, good  composition, but not really sure I
like it.

Marnie aka Doe :-) Take with  a grain of salt.

In a message dated 1/25/2014 10:13:44 A.M. Pacific  Standard Time,
bori...@gmail.com writes:
Hi!

Have a look  here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This  shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a
kind lens  that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography
related works  including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape  lens and it was made to my custom order
in a barrel with native Leica mount,  though no rangefinder coupling. The
focal length is 38 mm.

I am very  happy about the shots I've been getting from  it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/  and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two  examples.

Cheers!

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Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Boris Liberman]

Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a 
kind lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography 
related works including some very interesting lenses.


This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order 
in a barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The 
focal length is 38 mm.


I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Bruce Walker]

Beautiful, Boris. Other than the bright red product placement, this
could be a postcard or Christmas card. I really like it!

That lens is rather too short for portraits but would produce very
interesting results.


On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!

 Have a look here:

 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

 This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a kind
 lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related
 works including some very interesting lenses.

 This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order in a
 barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal
 length is 38 mm.

 I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

 Cheers!

 Boris

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Stanley Halpin]

Interesting effect. All nice, but I think the one with the young lady could be 
very very nice if only the person to her right was not there to create a bit of 
clutter.
Sell the grocery store shot to the local Coke distributor…

stan


On Jan 25, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi!
 
 Have a look here:
 
 http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html
 
 This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a kind 
 lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related 
 works including some very interesting lenses.
 
 This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order in a 
 barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal 
 length is 38 mm.
 
 I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.
 
 Cheers!
 
 Boris
 
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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Bruce. You see, at 38mm of focal length is not portrait lens per 
se. However given the crop it turns to something like 58mm as far as 
angle of view goes and that's not bad. I made some group portraits of my 
girls and I quite liked the result.


I used to have F 85/2.8 soft which was obviously more mature, but it was 
heavy and on the cropped sensor it was too narrow AOV... While the likes 
of 50-60mm of EFL seem to be my sweet spot...


Boris


On 1/25/2014 10:25 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Beautiful, Boris. Other than the bright red product placement, this
could be a postcard or Christmas card. I really like it!

That lens is rather too short for portraits but would produce very
interesting results.


On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi!

Have a look here:

http://pentax-ways.blogspot.co.il/2014/01/2014-03-grocery-store.html

This shot was made with my freshly acquired soft lens. It is one of a kind
lens that I ordered from a guy who makes all kinds of photography related
works including some very interesting lenses.

This one is Chevalier landscape lens and it was made to my custom order in a
barrel with native Leica mount, though no rangefinder coupling. The focal
length is 38 mm.

I am very happy about the shots I've been getting from it.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12122257096/ and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/borispdml/12121723156/ are two examples.

Cheers!

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Re: Boris PESO #03 - Grocery store and a new lens

[Boris Liberman]

Thanks, Stan. I never think of my photography as of source of profit. 
May be I could make a big print and give it to the grocery shop owners 
:-). I will be able to take you just there as it sits in rather special 
location as far as tourist attractions in Tel Aviv go. You will judge 
for yourself.


I reckon I will be taking this lens with us when you come :-).



On 1/25/2014 11:10 PM, Stanley Halpin wrote:

Interesting effect. All nice, but I think the one with the young lady
could be very very nice if only the person to her right was not there
to create a bit of clutter. Sell the grocery store shot to the local
Coke distributor…

stan


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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Zos Xavius]

Yeah, I really like their projection on the 8mm. Its probably one of
the best projections out there. The 10-20 I used was indeed the
variable aperture one. Compared to my 12-24, there's just no contest.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have their 8mm, it's actually a nice optic, it's not strictly
 fish-eye either. It's has a stereographic projection which translates
 to less objectionable distortion in the corners than a regular
 fish-eye and when used to shoot multi-image panos a better stitch.

 On 8 December 2013 06:27, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem with their lenses is really build quality. They have
 really good optics, no doubt about that (especially for the cost), but
 if you look at lensrentals repair list they are all at the top. If
 they started making nice metal bodied primes, a lot more people would
 take them more seriously. Then again their prices would go up as well,
 so I'm all for the cheap plastic fantastics myself. The 24 they make
 is kind of interesting, but I really want their 8mm fisheye which is
 pretty superb. This 10 is very intriguing as well. I can't wait to see
 some shots with it from a K-3. If they can keep distortion low and
 give good edge to edge sharpness at middle fstops, they will have a
 real winner.

 On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote:
 The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than
 the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a
 soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide
 open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the
 lack of edge sharpness.

 On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
  great IMO.
 
  On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
  is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
  versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
  override and is cheaper.

 I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big
 difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a
 lot of that artsy subject motion blur.  I'll be very interested in
 seeing how this lens works.

 If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus,
 Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble.  Then again, if they start
 doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive.

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Zos Xavius]

I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
great IMO.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
 is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
 versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
 override and is cheaper.



 On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax
 cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus.
 It's also relatively heavy...
 It might of interest to some people here.

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

 Cheers,

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Rob Studdert]

The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than
the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a
soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide
open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the
lack of edge sharpness.

On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
 great IMO.

 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:
 It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
 is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
 versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
 override and is cheaper.



 On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax
 cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual 
 focus.
 It's also relatively heavy...
 It might of interest to some people here.

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

 Cheers,

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Jos from Holland]

Hm, maybe I had a bad copy, but my Sigma 10-20 gave me so many just not 
sharp pictures. Now I have the 8-16mm, and it is so nice, sharp, and 
8mm is so much more than 10mm when looking for extremes...

Greetz, Jos

On 7-12-2013 16:24, Rob Studdert wrote:

The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than
the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a
soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide
open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the
lack of edge sharpness.

On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
great IMO.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:

It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
override and is cheaper.



On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax
cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus.
It's also relatively heavy...
It might of interest to some people here.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

Cheers,

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Zos Xavius]

Its possible the copy I used was bad. The edges looks awful. My Pentax
12-24 is razor sharp across the frame at f11. I have no need to go
wider or faster.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:32 AM, Jos from Holland
jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote:
 Hm, maybe I had a bad copy, but my Sigma 10-20 gave me so many just not
 sharp pictures. Now I have the 8-16mm, and it is so nice, sharp, and 8mm is
 so much more than 10mm when looking for extremes...
 Greetz, Jos


 On 7-12-2013 16:24, Rob Studdert wrote:

 The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than
 the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a
 soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide
 open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the
 lack of edge sharpness.

 On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
 great IMO.

 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
 is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
 versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
 override and is cheaper.



 On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for
 Pentax
 cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual
 focus.
 It's also relatively heavy...
 It might of interest to some people here.


 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

 Cheers,

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Boris Liberman]

I think my 15 mm is wide enough for me, though this lens is impressive.



On 12/6/2013 7:13 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote:



A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax
cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus.
It's also relatively heavy...
It might of interest to some people here.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

Cheers,

Igor





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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Larry Colen]

On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote:
 The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than
 the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a
 soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide
 open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the
 lack of edge sharpness.
 
 On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
  great IMO.
 
  On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
  is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
  versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
  override and is cheaper.

I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big 
difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a
lot of that artsy subject motion blur.  I'll be very interested in
seeing how this lens works.  

If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus,
Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble.  Then again, if they start
doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive.

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Zos Xavius]

The problem with their lenses is really build quality. They have
really good optics, no doubt about that (especially for the cost), but
if you look at lensrentals repair list they are all at the top. If
they started making nice metal bodied primes, a lot more people would
take them more seriously. Then again their prices would go up as well,
so I'm all for the cheap plastic fantastics myself. The 24 they make
is kind of interesting, but I really want their 8mm fisheye which is
pretty superb. This 10 is very intriguing as well. I can't wait to see
some shots with it from a K-3. If they can keep distortion low and
give good edge to edge sharpness at middle fstops, they will have a
real winner.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote:
 The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than
 the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a
 soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide
 open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the
 lack of edge sharpness.

 On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
  great IMO.
 
  On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
  is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
  versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
  override and is cheaper.

 I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big
 difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a
 lot of that artsy subject motion blur.  I'll be very interested in
 seeing how this lens works.

 If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus,
 Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble.  Then again, if they start
 doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive.

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[John]

Might depend on which Sigma 10-20 you had. There are two versions. I
think the f/4-f/5.6 version is supposed to be a (teeny-tiny) little bit
sharper than the constant aperture f/3.5 version.

On 12/7/2013 10:32 AM, Jos from Holland wrote:

Hm, maybe I had a bad copy, but my Sigma 10-20 gave me so many just
not sharp pictures. Now I have the 8-16mm, and it is so nice, sharp,
and 8mm is so much more than 10mm when looking for extremes...
Greetz, Jos

On 7-12-2013 16:24, Rob Studdert wrote:

The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better
than the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open
it's a soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be
used wide open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't
suffer for the lack of edge sharpness.

On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20
aren't great IMO.

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert
distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote:

It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5
which is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower,
provides a more versatile focal length range, has HSM focus
which allows full manual override and is cheaper.



On 6 December 2013 16:13, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org
wrote:


A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon
for Pentax cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it
will have only manual focus. It's also relatively heavy... It
might of interest to some people here.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime



Cheers,

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Rob Studdert]

I have their 8mm, it's actually a nice optic, it's not strictly
fish-eye either. It's has a stereographic projection which translates
to less objectionable distortion in the corners than a regular
fish-eye and when used to shoot multi-image panos a better stitch.

On 8 December 2013 06:27, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
 The problem with their lenses is really build quality. They have
 really good optics, no doubt about that (especially for the cost), but
 if you look at lensrentals repair list they are all at the top. If
 they started making nice metal bodied primes, a lot more people would
 take them more seriously. Then again their prices would go up as well,
 so I'm all for the cheap plastic fantastics myself. The 24 they make
 is kind of interesting, but I really want their 8mm fisheye which is
 pretty superb. This 10 is very intriguing as well. I can't wait to see
 some shots with it from a K-3. If they can keep distortion low and
 give good edge to edge sharpness at middle fstops, they will have a
 real winner.

 On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 02:24:16AM +1100, Rob Studdert wrote:
 The edges aren't that bad on the Sigma 10-20/3.5, they are better than
 the Sigma 14/2.8 and the old Pentax A15/3.5. At 10mm wide open it's a
 soft right at the extremes but generally if it needs to be used wide
 open then light is poor anyhow and the image doesn't suffer for the
 lack of edge sharpness.

 On 8 December 2013 01:14, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm not a big fan of the sigma WA zooms. The edges on the 10-20 aren't
  great IMO.
 
  On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com 
  wrote:
  It looks mildly interesting, unless you have a Sigma 10-20/3.5 which
  is no optical slouch, is less than a stop slower, provides a more
  versatile focal length range, has HSM focus which allows full manual
  override and is cheaper.

 I've found that the 2/3 stop between f/1.4 and f/1.7 can make a big
 difference, and that shooting indoors with my 8/3.5 I tend to get a
 lot of that artsy subject motion blur.  I'll be very interested in
 seeing how this lens works.

 If Samyang ever starts putting their optics in lenses with autofocus,
 Tamron and Sigma will be in serious trouble.  Then again, if they start
 doing that, their lenses won't be nearly so inexpensive.

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Zos Xavius]

f2.8 @ 10mm doesn't come lightly. 1.5lbs really isn't all that heavy
though. I'm very intrigued by this lens!

On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 12:46 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 Vey interesting.

 Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for
Pentax
cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual
focus.
It's also relatively heavy...
It might of interest to some people here.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

Cheers,

Igor

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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Bob Sullivan]

And look, it has nano coatings and that red band on the barrel just
like the newest Pentax lenses.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote:


 A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for Pentax
 cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual focus.
 It's also relatively heavy...
 It might of interest to some people here.

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

 Cheers,

 Igor


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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Igor Roshchin]

:-)

Nano-shmano..., - says a professor in nano-materials. 


Those are not red bands, but just very small (micro-? nano-?) red turbans.
That's a secret sign of the descendants of Red Turban troops stuck
in Korea since 1360.
They might have some emissaries embedded in Ricoh.
;-)

Igor


Fri Dec 6 10:51:52 EST 2013
Bob Sullivan wrote:

And look, it has nano coatings and that red band on the barrel just
like the newest Pentax lenses.
Regards,  Bob S.

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:13 PM, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org
wrote:


 A new fast wide-angle rectilinear lens will be available soon for
 Pentax
 cameras: 10/2.8 from Samyang.  Unfortunately, it will have only manual
 focus.
 It's also relatively heavy...
 It might of interest to some people here.

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/12/06/samyang-announces-10mm-f2-8-manual-focus-wideangle-prime

 Cheers,

 Igor


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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[CollinB]

The pic looks like it is M mount and not A.  Alas.
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Re: New lens to from Samyang: 10mm F2.8 ED AS NCS SC

[Bill]

On 06/12/2013 11:17 AM, CollinB wrote:

The pic looks like it is M mount and not A.  Alas.

It looks like they are releasing it in 10 different mounts, what's the 
problem?

bill

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