OT - eBay purchase required plus Paypal payment UK-USA
Hi team, Begging time from a UK eBayer to anyone silly enough to help out a friend in need. Something (non Pentax so relax) has come up on eBay at a good price but the seller is US-only and although has kindly agreed to sell to me in the UK, has quoted eye-watering shipping charges to me. Anyone happy to close an eBay auction for me with a BIN of 200 bucks? Remuneration by Paypal with all costs covered. Then, in your own time cheapest post to me *at my risk*, absolutely no hurry - no time pressure at all - and I will reimburse postage of course. Please reply off list and I will make sure you get what's coming to you ;-) TIA -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay purchase required plus Paypal payment UK-USA
On 1/7/10, Cotty, discombobulated, unleashed: Begging time from a UK eBayer to anyone silly enough to help out a friend in need. I'm sorted now thanks all. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay purchase required plus Paypal payment UK-USA
Cotty wrote: I'm sorted now Tell us another one... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
Governmental Regulation = Free Market? Interesting way to look at it. Dan M On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html I had heard about that initial trial -- three cheers, indeed! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
- Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola Subject: Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg Governmental Regulation = Free Market? Interesting way to look at it. Think Microsoft, and how healty the computer marketplace would be if your government hadn't stepped in and shut down their free market policies. A Free market should not give companies the right to be so heavy handed that they eventually are the market. Even your government recognizes that, at least within your own country, though it isn't well practiced in international trade. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
Governmental Regulation = Free Market? Sure, if we can just get the government more involved in the gas cost issue we'll all be better off. BTW - I've got this bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Kenneth Waller http://www.tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Daniel J. Matyola [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg Governmental Regulation = Free Market? Interesting way to look at it. Dan M On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony Farr wrote: Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html I had heard about that initial trial -- three cheers, indeed! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
Anthony Farr wrote: Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html I had heard about that initial trial -- three cheers, indeed! ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
I haven't bought any equipment from e-bay for ages. My first step when looking for equipment is KEH for a price check. Then I check e-bay and I set my limit at what KEH charges. Everything I have wanted has gone for more than KEH prices for longer than 3 months so I bought from KEH. I really must get around to selling some more things on e-bay though. Leon http://www.bluering.org.au http://www.bluering.org.au/leon David J Brooks wrote: On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote: Australians should be questioning whether eBay is really looking after their best interests, Of course e-bay isn't looking out for their best interests, it's looking out for it's own. If it servers the best interests of anyone else it's good if not bad and e-bay will lose market share. Changes that have made it more and more difficult for the little guy to work with e-bay have caused me to care less and less about what they offer... I have 8 feedbacks from Sellers since i joined. Thats how much i use eek bay. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT - eBay knocked down a peg
Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
I can see why they would want a Paypal only for the extra fees, but if a seller wants to accept cheques and MO's thats should be his or her choice. Big business, arg Dave On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 19:10:53 +1000, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html Even so, EBay Aust now does (and will probably continue to) insist that PayPal be included as a payment option by sellers. Some buyers will probably use it regardless of whether the buyer likes it or not, given that PayPal is always the first payment option listed on EBay checkout. Cheers Brian ++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://members.westnet.com.au/brianwal/SL/ -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - And now for something completely differentÂ… -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
Quote: Australians should be questioning whether eBay is really looking after their best interests, Of course e-bay isn't looking out for their best interests, it's looking out for it's own. If it servers the best interests of anyone else it's good if not bad and e-bay will lose market share. Changes that have made it more and more difficult for the little guy to work with e-bay have caused me to care less and less about what they offer... David J Brooks wrote: I can see why they would want a Paypal only for the extra fees, but if a seller wants to accept cheques and MO's thats should be his or her choice. Big business, arg Dave On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Anthony Farr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ebay is told it can't impose anticompetitive rules to suit itself. Three cheers for a free market. http://tinyurl.com/3kyvsy http://www.smh.com.au/news/biztech/ebay-to-fight-accc-paypal-ruling/2008/06/ 13/1213321602934.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Vote for Cthulhu. Why settle for a lesser evil... -- Dr. Jerry Pournelle -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT - eBay knocked down a peg
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 11:26 AM, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quote: Australians should be questioning whether eBay is really looking after their best interests, Of course e-bay isn't looking out for their best interests, it's looking out for it's own. If it servers the best interests of anyone else it's good if not bad and e-bay will lose market share. Changes that have made it more and more difficult for the little guy to work with e-bay have caused me to care less and less about what they offer... I have 8 feedbacks from Sellers since i joined. Thats how much i use eek bay. Dave -- Equine Photography www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ Ontario Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
As if things were not tight enough The guy who just won the darkside lens I had up for $85 (artphotodude) wrote me that he didn't make a habit of not paying.. blah blah, and was VERy sorry but he doesn't have the money the job he expected to get for which he wanted the lens got pushed back indefinitely I wrote that if that were the case it was up to him to notify ebay he was retracting his bid so at least i didnt have the hassles of geting my fees back... I had seen he had good feedback on the last few items he bought WITHIN THE PAST WEEK but didn't look ath what those items were until I got his I can't pay message. The item he just got left good feedback for two days ago were 3 Beavis and Butthead items for $49.00 ! But he couldn't pay ME for something he needed for work I'm so pissed thanks for listening ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
I can relate Ann. I just crossed 1 month of unemployment and I've basically sold everything I can. Evan -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
Ebay doesn't guarantee payment? PayPal only? Jack --- ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As if things were not tight enough The guy who just won the darkside lens I had up for $85 (artphotodude) wrote me that he didn't make a habit of not paying.. blah blah, and was VERy sorry but he doesn't have the money the job he expected to get for which he wanted the lens got pushed back indefinitely I wrote that if that were the case it was up to him to notify ebay he was retracting his bid so at least i didnt have the hassles of geting my fees back... I had seen he had good feedback on the last few items he bought WITHIN THE PAST WEEK but didn't look ath what those items were until I got his I can't pay message. The item he just got left good feedback for two days ago were 3 Beavis and Butthead items for $49.00 ! But he couldn't pay ME for something he needed for work I'm so pissed thanks for listening ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
That's pretty sucky behavior. I'd be irritated too. But at least he responded and let you know ... some haven't with my brother's sales, which is a major pain in the butt. Godfrey On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:19 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: As if things were not tight enough The guy who just won the darkside lens I had up for $85 (artphotodude) wrote me that he didn't make a habit of not paying.. blah blah, and was VERy sorry but he doesn't have the money the job he expected to get for which he wanted the lens got pushed back indefinitely I wrote that if that were the case it was up to him to notify ebay he was retracting his bid so at least i didnt have the hassles of geting my fees back... I had seen he had good feedback on the last few items he bought WITHIN THE PAST WEEK but didn't look ath what those items were until I got his I can't pay message. The item he just got left good feedback for two days ago were 3 Beavis and Butthead items for $49.00 ! But he couldn't pay ME for something he needed for work I'm so pissed thanks for listening -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
Ann, This is one of those people who doesn't want to take the responsibility of his actions, blaming his shortcomings on somebody else. That actually may be well the reason he didn't get that job. On the bright side, while being irresponsible, this guy is not that dishonest: he didn't try to scam you. Igor On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:19 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: As if things were not tight enough The guy who just won the darkside lens I had up for $85 (artphotodude) wrote me that he didn't make a habit of not paying.. blah blah, and was VERy sorry but he doesn't have the money the job he expected to get for which he wanted the lens got pushed back indefinitely I wrote that if that were the case it was up to him to notify ebay he was retracting his bid so at least i didnt have the hassles of geting my fees back... I had seen he had good feedback on the last few items he bought WITHIN THE PAST WEEK but didn't look ath what those items were until I got his I can't pay message. The item he just got left good feedback for two days ago were 3 Beavis and Butthead items for $49.00 ! But he couldn't pay ME for something he needed for work I'm so pissed thanks for listening -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
He actually wrote in response to my much too polite upbraiding by sending me the link to the non payment thing where you can say you mutually agree to end the contract and offered me $5.00 - he shouldn't have bid, fo course, but it looks like he is in pretty bad shape, too... bottom line, he was most apologetic and I've already relisted the lens. He's a kid in his twenties. Sigh There were at one point 9 people watching that auction - I changed it to include a BIN scarcely more than the original price and crossing my fingers. I can't remember when my ebay sales have been so slow in October. ann Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: That's pretty sucky behavior. I'd be irritated too. But at least he responded and let you know ... some haven't with my brother's sales, which is a major pain in the butt. Godfrey On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:19 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: As if things were not tight enough The guy who just won the darkside lens I had up for $85 (artphotodude) wrote me that he didn't make a habit of not paying.. blah blah, and was VERy sorry but he doesn't have the money the job he expected to get for which he wanted the lens got pushed back indefinitely I wrote that if that were the case it was up to him to notify ebay he was retracting his bid so at least i didnt have the hassles of geting my fees back... I had seen he had good feedback on the last few items he bought WITHIN THE PAST WEEK but didn't look ath what those items were until I got his I can't pay message. The item he just got left good feedback for two days ago were 3 Beavis and Butthead items for $49.00 ! But he couldn't pay ME for something he needed for work I'm so pissed thanks for listening -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
Evan Hanson wrote: I can relate Ann. I just crossed 1 month of unemployment and I've basically sold everything I can. Evan Well I've got a lotta stuff in my apartment but finding what sells out of it is a struggle... I havent' really worked in 8 years. Hope you are getting unemployment comp, at least... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
Igor Roshchin wrote: Ann, This is one of those people who doesn't want to take the responsibility of his actions, blaming his shortcomings on somebody else. That actually may be well the reason he didn't get that job. On the bright side, while being irresponsible, this guy is not that dishonest: he didn't try to scam you. Igor Yeah, and I kinda forgave him and we had a couple of light emails since - god knows I've been irresponsible in my day, especially at his age. ann On Oct 7, 2007, at 2:19 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: As if things were not tight enough The guy who just won the darkside lens I had up for $85 (artphotodude) wrote me that he didn't make a habit of not paying.. blah blah, and was VERy sorry but he doesn't have the money the job he expected to get for which he wanted the lens got pushed back indefinitely I wrote that if that were the case it was up to him to notify ebay he was retracting his bid so at least i didnt have the hassles of geting my fees back... I had seen he had good feedback on the last few items he bought WITHIN THE PAST WEEK but didn't look ath what those items were until I got his I can't pay message. The item he just got left good feedback for two days ago were 3 Beavis and Butthead items for $49.00 ! But he couldn't pay ME for something he needed for work I'm so pissed thanks for listening -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT: ebay woes... I'm steaming!
Actually, in a case like that I'd be very tempted to leave negative feedback, i.e. warn other sellers he's a no-pay. I've only had that happen once, but since I sold the item for under $5 I let it slide. However, I did email him and tell him I SHOULD leave him negative no-pay feedback. Told him that sellers have fees from ebay every time they list and now I was out that money. Up to you Ann, but $85 is a serious no-pay. Marnie aka Doe === As if things were not tight enough The guy who just won the darkside lens I had up for $85 (artphotodude) wrote me that he didn't make a habit of not paying.. blah blah, and was VERy sorry but he doesn't have the money the job he expected to get for which he wanted the lens got pushed back indefinitely I wrote that if that were the case it was up to him to notify ebay he was retracting his bid so at least i didn't have the hassles of getting my fees back... I had seen he had good feedback on the last few items he bought WITHIN THE PAST WEEK but didn't look ath what those items were until I got his I can't pay message. The item he just got left good feedback for two days ago were 3 Beavis and Butthead items for $49.00 ! But he couldn't pay ME for something he needed for work I'm so pissed thanks for listening ann - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT: ebay Power seller stuff
I jsut got this offer because of recent stuff to get a bronze (whatever that is - 3rd place?) POWER SELLER icon. I recently sold a couple thou of stuff for a friend - of which I got 25% but to the outside world looking at my sales, it looks like I'm doing better than I am. It has been my tendancy to be _more_ leary of Power Sellers than those that are not. What say you, guys? Benefits and disadvantages ? more easily findable by th government ? I dont have enough income to pay taxes at present, but if I took a power seller icon I think Imihgt get hunted down to prove it. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay Power seller stuff
Some people might believe the certification actually means something. Most power sellers seem to have more accurate descriptions or sell more junk from what I've noticed. But all it seems to mean is you've sold a lot of junk. http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2005/ebay-song-p1.php ann sanfedele wrote: I jsut got this offer because of recent stuff to get a bronze (whatever that is - 3rd place?) POWER SELLER icon. I recently sold a couple thou of stuff for a friend - of which I got 25% but to the outside world looking at my sales, it looks like I'm doing better than I am. It has been my tendancy to be _more_ leary of Power Sellers than those that are not. What say you, guys? Benefits and disadvantages ? more easily findable by th government ? I dont have enough income to pay taxes at present, but if I took a power seller icon I think Imihgt get hunted down to prove it. ann -- All dogs have four legs; my cat has four legs. Therefore, my cat is a dog. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay Power seller stuff
It probably is not worth it if it cost you anything. Personally it seems like so called power sellers sell a lot of cheap junk. Good individual ads are probably the best way to sell on eBay. -- graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com http://webpages.charter.net/graywolf Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- ann sanfedele wrote: I jsut got this offer because of recent stuff to get a bronze (whatever that is - 3rd place?) POWER SELLER icon. I recently sold a couple thou of stuff for a friend - of which I got 25% but to the outside world looking at my sales, it looks like I'm doing better than I am. It has been my tendancy to be _more_ leary of Power Sellers than those that are not. What say you, guys? Benefits and disadvantages ? more easily findable by th government ? I dont have enough income to pay taxes at present, but if I took a power seller icon I think Imihgt get hunted down to prove it. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay Power seller stuff
graywolf wrote: It probably is not worth it if it cost you anything. Personally it seems like so called power sellers sell a lot of cheap junk. Good individual ads are probably the best way to sell on eBay. It costs nothing - and it seemed to me, too, that power sellers are selling tons of stuff that is more or less all the same. Individual ads are all I ever do. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay Power seller stuff
On 14/06/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What say you, guys? Benefits and disadvantages ? I have no idea if the Gov't would be more interested in you but I did it a for a couple of years some years back and it was just a PITA. I don't believe that there was any real sales benefit and all it really meant was that eBay kept hounding me to keep up my sales value so that I wouldn't loose the PowerSeller logo. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://picasaweb.google.com/distudio/PESO http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay Power seller stuff
Digital Image Studio wrote: On 14/06/07, ann sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What say you, guys? Benefits and disadvantages ? I have no idea if the Gov't would be more interested in you but I did it a for a couple of years some years back and it was just a PITA. I don't believe that there was any real sales benefit and all it really meant was that eBay kept hounding me to keep up my sales value so that I wouldn't loose the PowerSeller logo. There you are -- I suspected a down side -- I certainly would not be able to keep up my sales Thanks, Rob. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: ebay woes
Anyone having trouble searching for their items by the seller search? I only have 4 items listed (not camera stuff right now). All 4 are there in the MYebay page. I revised one earlier today and it no longer shows up when someone clicks on view sellers other items from another item I'm selling . on top of that, when I first listed an item last night about 1 am the item I listed didn't show up in my list of things I'm selling until over 9 hours later. Anyone else experiencing similar problems? I'm annsan on ebay, btw There wasn't anything in the systems annoucements about problems in this area. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay woes
I would contact Ebay support. My latest stuff is all showing up immediately and a search for my listings shows them all correctly, but a search for you as annsan only shows two items. Godfrey On Mar 21, 2007, at 9:08 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Anyone having trouble searching for their items by the seller search? I only have 4 items listed (not camera stuff right now). All 4 are there in the MYebay page. I revised one earlier today and it no longer shows up when someone clicks on view sellers other items from another item I'm selling . on top of that, when I first listed an item last night about 1 am the item I listed didn't show up in my list of things I'm selling until over 9 hours later. Anyone else experiencing similar problems? I'm annsan on ebay, btw There wasn't anything in the systems annoucements about problems in this area. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay woes
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I would contact Ebay support. My latest stuff is all showing up immediately and a search for my listings shows them all correctly, but a search for you as annsan only shows two items. Godfrey another new york seller just told me her stuff was taking hours to show up in her seller search. soemthing clearly buggy there. I jsut got home -- if several of you guys had written having a similar problem I'd wait, since ebay takes so long to respond. thanks, G ann On Mar 21, 2007, at 9:08 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: Anyone having trouble searching for their items by the seller search? I only have 4 items listed (not camera stuff right now). All 4 are there in the MYebay page. I revised one earlier today and it no longer shows up when someone clicks on view sellers other items from another item I'm selling . on top of that, when I first listed an item last night about 1 am the item I listed didn't show up in my list of things I'm selling until over 9 hours later. Anyone else experiencing similar problems? I'm annsan on ebay, btw There wasn't anything in the systems annoucements about problems in this area. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay woes
Don't be ridiculous, Ann. Ebay's search engine is perfect. Why just the other day it said that an item I was looking for did not exist. But google took me right to it. I really do wish they would quit trying to improve ebay, they just make it worse. Just to clarify that, ebays search engines are all eff'ed up! I think the same person programmed thunderbird's smell checker which thinks your name should be Tann Confederate. -graywolf ann sanfedele wrote: Anyone having trouble searching for their items by the seller search? I only have 4 items listed (not camera stuff right now). All 4 are there in the MYebay page. I revised one earlier today and it no longer shows up when someone clicks on view sellers other items from another item I'm selling . on top of that, when I first listed an item last night about 1 am the item I listed didn't show up in my list of things I'm selling until over 9 hours later. Anyone else experiencing similar problems? I'm annsan on ebay, btw There wasn't anything in the systems annoucements about problems in this area. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: ebay woes
graywolf wrote: Don't be ridiculous, Ann. Ebay's search engine is perfect. Why just the other day it said that an item I was looking for did not exist. But google took me right to it. Well you can find what I'm selling ok, the seller search is what seems to be broken. I really do wish they would quit trying to improve ebay, they just make it worse. they sure do... Just to clarify that, ebays search engines are all eff'ed up! ah I see, THATS what you meant :) I think the same person programmed thunderbird's smell checker which thinks your name should be Tann Confederate. -graywolf lol! well, my father was born in Atlanta , but I'm rather pale. ann ann sanfedele wrote: Anyone having trouble searching for their items by the seller search? I only have 4 items listed (not camera stuff right now). All 4 are there in the MYebay page. I revised one earlier today and it no longer shows up when someone clicks on view sellers other items from another item I'm selling . on top of that, when I first listed an item last night about 1 am the item I listed didn't show up in my list of things I'm selling until over 9 hours later. Anyone else experiencing similar problems? I'm annsan on ebay, btw There wasn't anything in the systems annoucements about problems in this area. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT- eBay
On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. Well, that's not how the game is played: -- http://pages.ebay.co.uk/help/ebayexplained/selling/index.html 5. Managing and Completing your sales. ... Once the sale is complete, leave feedback for your buyer and encourage them to do the same for you. -- Unambiguous and final. Ebay is all about protocol. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 24, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. Well, that's not how the game is played: That's the way the game is played by cautious sellers. There are no specific rules in regard to providing feedback. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Paul Stenquist wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. This thread is fascinating! Wouldn't this whole eBay feedback thing make an excellent study for game theorists? If the buyer never posts feedback, I don't either. Works for me. Whether buying or selling, on the (relatively rare) occasions that I leave any feedback, I always wait until I've received feedback from the other party before I leave mine. If this results in a waiting game in which neither of us gets feedback... that's just fine with me. Can't see what the big deal is. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. Well, that's not how the game is played: That's the way the game is played by cautious sellers. There are no specific rules in regard to providing feedback. That's true, esp. if you delete them from the email you are quoting. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/24/07, Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whether buying or selling, on the (relatively rare) occasions that I leave any feedback, I always wait until I've received feedback from the other party before I leave mine. If this results in a waiting game in which neither of us gets feedback... that's just fine with me. Can't see what the big deal is. Mark you obviously don't get it. Your feedback score is a measure of your character. If you have a low score you are a person of poor character. That's why people get so defensive when they get negative feedback. == VBG == Cheers, Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 1/24/2007 5:49:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether buying or selling, on the (relatively rare) occasions that I leave any feedback, I always wait until I've received feedback from the other party before I leave mine. If this results in a waiting game in which neither of us gets feedback... that's just fine with me. Can't see what the big deal is. = In my opinion it isn't a big deal, except for the seller. A lot of buyers will not buy (I won't) from sellers with a lot of negatives. If someone has about a thousand ratings and some negatives I will probably still buy, because when they are a heavy seller they are bound to have some negatives. So I read the negatives to see what they are. In some cases the negatives imply the seller may sometimes be hard to deal with, those I avoid. In some cases it seems like normal misunderstandings, those I will buy from. I also sell on Amazon, and because there isn't buyer feedback there per se, I get feedback from only about 10% or less of customers. That is partly why I wait on ebay, it works as a reminder. I tell them I will give them feedback once they give me feedback, and that means on ebay I only get 10% who *don't* give feedback. No one has complained to me about it, they can read the feedback I give buyers. I always leave positives, even if the payment is late, because some people prefer not to use credit card or PayPal or any other online method. Some people prefer to send a check, and that payment is always slower but I am not going to leave an neutral or negative about that, they had the right to choose to pay by a slower method. The thing is, people ought to look -- on ebay negative buyer feedback is much lower than seller negative feedback. A seller is not going to leave negative or neutral feedback for a buyer unless they absolutely have to, because there is no point in shooting oneself in one's foot. Seller feedback is much more important. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Re: OT- eBay On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. Well, that's not how the game is played: That's the way the game is played by cautious sellers. There are no specific rules in regard to providing feedback. That's true, esp. if you delete them from the email you are quoting. Sometimes it's just easier to quote from the page: Once the sale is complete, leave feedback for your buyer and encourage them to do the same for you. It would seem that sellers withholding feedback until they see buyer feedback is against the rules. Could sellers doing this be justifying negative feedback for not following the guidelines? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Mark Roberts Subject: Re: OT- eBay If this results in a waiting game in which neither of us gets feedback... that's just fine with me. Can't see what the big deal is. As a buyer, I want positive feedback, as it makes my bidding on items more legitimate from the POV of sellers. As a seller, I would want positive feedback to give me some legitimacy as a seller. If you are just starting out, good feedback is essential. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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The rules I deleted were yours and yours alone. Ebay has no specific policy in regard to feedback timing or sequence. Paul -- Original message -- From: Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. Well, that's not how the game is played: That's the way the game is played by cautious sellers. There are no specific rules in regard to providing feedback. That's true, esp. if you delete them from the email you are quoting. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT- eBay
Feedback participation is purely OPTIONAL on ebay, there are no ebay rules regarding when and and even if you leave feedback for the other party on a transaction. The problem with the so called guideline, there is really no other way of knowing if the sale is truly complete other than positive feedback from the buyer. If ebay had a system where the buyer check off the sale as completed and final and satifactory (buyer could no longer make any claims or post negative feedback ) then a seller could leave positive feedback first, but they dont have that. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:57 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay - Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Re: OT- eBay On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Jan 24, 2007, at 5:53 AM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Paul Stenquist wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. Well, that's not how the game is played: That's the way the game is played by cautious sellers. There are no specific rules in regard to providing feedback. That's true, esp. if you delete them from the email you are quoting. Sometimes it's just easier to quote from the page: Once the sale is complete, leave feedback for your buyer and encourage them to do the same for you. It would seem that sellers withholding feedback until they see buyer feedback is against the rules. Could sellers doing this be justifying negative feedback for not following the guidelines? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Perry Pellechia wrote: On 1/23/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to lose in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts feedback, I don't either. Works for me. Paul A sellers could look at my feedback and determine that I am a trusted buyer or not. Combined with my prompt payment, this should be more than enough for them to decide they could place the feedback that is deserved. If their product is how they described then they should also be assured that I will have no reason to complain. Perry. You only need to get stung once, though. The buyer isn't harmed by you waiting.. I leave pos feedback for all buyers who paid me, whether they have left me feedback or not - but usually I wait until I know they have received it and it is past time for them to ask for a return. I'm happy to say I rarely have had returns or even requests for one. I don't sell much stuff that appeals to persnickity buyers or is very high end. But when I sell something kinda expensive for someone else (like a vintage PUCCI dress that isn't flawless) and I don't see feedback after a couple of weeks I might write and ask for reassurance they are pleased and have received package safely if sent somewhere I cant track it. I never fight with them or demand stuff or virtually yell, no matter what. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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G, the thing is simply this - you can't ever retract (or not without an extreme hassle) the positive rating you gave someone as soon as you got their money. I have had few hassles, but occasionally someone whined - mind you, because they hadn't bothered to read the description, about some $10 item - I coddle them , but if they really were silly or nuts and kept the item I merely say thank you in the feedback area. instead of something more elaborate. I've never had any problem with international buyers, only those in the USA, interestingly, ann Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: In several hundred sale transactions, I've only had one buyer who acted erratically. He was very nervous, likely because he was paying me top dollar for a collectible item and was barely able to afford it. He was annoyed even having received it that it wasn't exactly as his fantasy about it had set his expectations, even though it was very accurately described. I offered to take the item back and refund his money without question, split the return shipping charge. He came to the conclusion that he liked it too much, it was really what he had wanted, and begged off with an apology. I require buyers to contact me to promote good communications. It seems to work. I've only ever had one other bad sale, not on Ebay, by one of those scammers who want to launder money through a seller. It's very easy to simply refuse the sale and accept no money from them. G On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware of rip-off artists. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: OT- eBay Two way street Paul. I've only done some 50 eBay transactions Keyword, only 50 :) , all were purchases on my part. I've had two sellers rip me off outright, one seller send an item that was nowhere near as advertised, and two vendors who refused to leave feedback until after I had left positive feedback for them. They shouldn't demand it of you, but if you were pleased with what you got, bill, a simple thank you shouldn't hurt. The question I have for this sort of vendor is, if you have been honest and haven't misrepresented anything, what are you afraid of? There have been some problems with fake payments on paypal I've heard. As a seller, if you get negative feedback that adds up you could get kicked off ebay. no prob if you are a buyer, but if you are a seller and you need it for income - no matter that a complaint is unjustified, it is still there It is far easier to be an unscrupulous vendor than an unscrupulous buyer, and my experience is that there are far more dishonest vendors than there are buyers. William Robb all true, which is why sellers get screwed by the few that are there... you hear much more about the naughty sellers. I just went through a hassle over a $10 item - and I had already left pos feedback. the buyer was wrong, she kept the item, ultimately. I spent too much time in emails being nice to her and she never even wrote back. ann (once burned, twice shy) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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hi Ann, Here's the thing, Ann: I just don't care. I sell things on Ebay now and then, in bursts, for the benefit of the buyers. It's mostly stuff that I have cluttering up the apartment and I figure if I put it out for sale a) other people who value it will have the opportunity to buy it, and b) I'll get some money back from it. If no one wants it, it either goes back into the dark corner from which it came or straight into the garbage where it probably belongs. If a buyer wants to be a dickhead, well, to put it politely, just go away: I don't want their business. ;-) I always keep copies of all my sales and the complete email transaction record in which I articulate fully the terms of the transaction, and I record both the receipt of payment and the shipping just in case anyone wants to take me to court for some irrational reason. I've had a lawyer friend proof my records and email methodology, her summary was that Your butt is covered, don't worry about it, and tell the dickheads to sit on a stick and rotate. As a result of this good karma, I've only had one whiner and all good transactions on my sales. I've only had one or two less than wonderful experiences buying from Ebay, possibly because I'm picky about what I buy and usually only buy with BIN sales from well known vendors. I lose most of the open ended auctions I bid on because I just set a price that I am willing to pay when I see an item and don't look back until the auction is over. 99% of the time some idiot has sniped the item in the last 20 seconds for half again what it's worth ... Nothing's worth that much stupidity to me. Do I have an attitude? Na, I'm just a friendly kinda guy. ;-) The vast majority of the good stuff I might have for sale is sold directly to interested, knowledgeable people who hear about it word of mouth from me and my friends. All have been excellent, several have become good friends after they bought nice stuff from me. Far away from Ebay and other such nonsense. G On Jan 24, 2007, at 7:43 AM, ann sanfedele wrote: G, the thing is simply this - you can't ever retract (or not without an extreme hassle) the positive rating you gave someone as soon as you got their money. I have had few hassles, but occasionally someone whined - mind you, because they hadn't bothered to read the description, about some $10 item - I coddle them , but if they really were silly or nuts and kept the item I merely say thank you in the feedback area. instead of something more elaborate. I've never had any problem with international buyers, only those in the USA, interestingly, ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... The thing is, people ought to look -- on ebay negative buyer feedback is much lower than seller negative feedback. A seller is not going to leave negative or neutral feedback for a buyer unless they absolutely have to, because there is no point in shooting oneself in one's foot. Seller feedback is much more important. Marnie aka Doe Yup yup yup... ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The rules I deleted were yours and yours alone. Ebay has no specific policy in regard to feedback timing or sequence. There was an ebay URL there as well; I promise I did not hack into that site. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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From one of my ads: -- THE FINE PRINT WARRANTY: The only warranty is that the item is as described above, and shown in the photos. Winner must notify me withing 7 days of any discrepancies, after that the sale is final. RESERVE: I have set a reasonable reserve of $xxx which is well below what these * have been selling for. PAYMENT: PayPal is the preferred payment method. However, a Certified check or USPS Money Order is acceptable. SHIPPING: Flat rate, which makes the total price of all bids equal, shipping will be by Insured USPS Priority Mail, thus to the US only. -- I think that it is reasonable to wait those 7 days before leaving feedback, don't you guys? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 25/01/07, Kostas Kavoussanakis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was an ebay URL there as well; I promise I did not hack into that site. They definitely strongly encourage users to leave feedback however it doesn't appear to be more than a recommendation on the US site, maybe the policy differs region to region? http://pages.ebay.com/help/feedback/feedback.html -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT- eBay
Just to prove that it is not just in my mind, yesterday I received the leather to redo the radio. Perfect transaction! Just the way they all should be. Of course, leather, unlike electronics and cameras, does not require special packing. But fast shipping, bulletproof packing, and as good as, or better than, described should be the goal of every eBay seller. They are mine, when I am the seller. Maybe eBay needs a new rating system, something like: 4- Service and merchandise beyond reasonable expectations. 3- Service and merchandise meets expectations 2- Service and merchandise did not meet expectations. 1- Service and merchandise far below expectations. 0- Deliberate misrepresentation or merchandise not received. Zero's will be suspended, and upon verification banned. That would make it pretty clear that you would not want to buy from anyone who could not maintain a 3 average. Now everything from 1 to 4 seems to be a positive which does not tell you much about the seller. Oh yes, and any indication of rating blackmail, by seller or buyer, should be dealt with severely. Of course the existing rating system is really intended to track buyers, and you only need three for that: paid quickly, paid slowly, and DNP. Of course a DNP is annoying to a seller, but he is not out anything, he still has the merchandise and eBay will refund his fees. Not so for the poor buyer, he is out his money and gets no, or damaged, merchandise. Heck, in the past they did not even offer the option of separating out the buyer and seller ratings at least that much has improved. -graywolf -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: OT- eBay Oh yes, and any indication of rating blackmail, by seller or buyer, should be dealt with severely. I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day. However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that their business paractices are perhaps a bit shady. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:36:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day. However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that their business paractices are perhaps a bit shady. William Robb == Uh. I routinely will not leave feedback until I get feedback. Of course, I am just a small time seller, selling personal items. But by doing that then I am guaranteed of feedback, otherwise people won't bother. I probably should mention I have a 100% rating. So I certainly do not regard it as a sneaky practice, but a reminder practice. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 23/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED], discombobulated, unleashed: Of course, I am just a small time seller, selling personal items. Soiled or clean? *parp* -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT- eBay I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day. However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that their business paractices are perhaps a bit shady. William Robb == Uh. I routinely will not leave feedback until I get feedback. Of course, I am just a small time seller, selling personal items. But by doing that then I am guaranteed of feedback, otherwise people won't bother. I probably should mention I have a 100% rating. So I certainly do not regard it as a sneaky practice, but a reminder practice. If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/23/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical. I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I never leave feedback as a seller until I get positive feedback first from the buyer because this confirms they got the item and are satisfied with it and the transaction is completed. If a seller leaves feedback before the buyer, he has no recourse for crazy negatives or negative feedback threats or extortions... Likewise, as a buyer I dont expect a postive until after I leave one for the seller first to let them know we are done with the deal. Actually, I really dont see how feedback can logically be left in any other sequence, buyer leaves first, then seller reciprocates. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:02 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT- eBay I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day. However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that their business paractices are perhaps a bit shady. William Robb == Uh. I routinely will not leave feedback until I get feedback. Of course, I am just a small time seller, selling personal items. But by doing that then I am guaranteed of feedback, otherwise people won't bother. I probably should mention I have a 100% rating. So I certainly do not regard it as a sneaky practice, but a reminder practice. If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: OT- eBay Actually, I really dont see how feedback can logically be left in any other sequence, buyer leaves first, then seller reciprocates. I'm not following your logic (not surprising). What you are saying is that it doesn't matter that the buyer completes the transaction in good faith? If I pay, it shouldn't matter if you screw up your end, I've still completed my end of the transaction. The feedback mechanism allows sellers to reply to feedback if they feel so inclined. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Perry Pellechia wrote: On 1/23/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical. I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. I'm on your side, Perry. He's out of line... keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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NOPE, I think you are wrong in assuming that you should get feedback first as the buyer just because you paid for the item in a timely manner. Thats not completing the purchase, leaving feedback is. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Perry Pellechia Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:27 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay On 1/23/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical. I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote: I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. I agree with you. I refuse to leave feedback for anyone who implies a threat like that, unless it's negative feedback, and I usually report such nonsense to the Ebay staff. As a seller, I post feedback on the buyer when I have received payment and shipped the product to them via a tracked service. That's when my part of the transaction is complete. As a buyer, I leave feedback when the transaction is completed ... when I have received all the merchandise I paid for and verified its condition. Earlier than that would not reflect an evaluation of the transaction, that's when the transaction is complete. Case in point: My old LD player died for the third time and I could not justify sending it out for a $240 repair again. Meanwhile, I still have a huge number of LDs that I like, many of which are not available on DVD yet (nor do I really want to buy them again). So I hunted around and found that I could get a serviceable if not quite the same quality Pioneer CL D2400 for about $35 from a vendor on Ebay. Not a great player but good enough for my purposes. I used the BIN, paid immediately, and waited for the package to arrive. The seller and shipped the package on time, left positive feedback as I had fulfilled my part of the transaction. The player arrived on schedule, but the remote listed in the auction was not in the box. I sent a note asking whether there'd been some mistake, as the auction clearly listed the remote as included. The seller responded within a day, their mistake, and they would send on the remote separately. It arrived in four days, I tested it with the player and everything worked well, the seller had completed their part of the transaction properly. I left feedback that the transaction was positive with good communications and item as described. That's how it should work. Only a jerk would consider the feedback to be part of the transaction on the part of the buyer and the obligation of the buyer to post first. I would never knowingly buy anything from a jerk. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 24/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day. However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that their business paractices are perhaps a bit shady. From my experience the vast majority of sellers are like this, it definitely seems to be the rule more than the exception. I'm generally a prompt payer as a buyer yet there are many instances where I've not received feedback until well after I've left feedback or not at all. As a seller I virtually always leave feedback once payment has cleared in my account. The exception might be where the buyer is obviously belligerent and potentially a source of trouble ie suggests that I deviate from my terms post auction for instance demanding that I accept Paypal payments, credit card payments, escrow etc when my terms state plainly that they are not options. I've mainly sold on eBay and I've only ever received one negative from an idiot who simply changed his mind about his interest in the transaction and left me a neg without warning. I've left more feedback than I've received, I guess in part because I don't use it as leverage. Then again some people are just lazy and either don't understand the feedback concept or simply can't be bothered, those people never bid on my auctions again. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to lose in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts feedback, I don't either. Works for me. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:44 PM, keith_w wrote: Perry Pellechia wrote: On 1/23/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical. I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. I'm on your side, Perry. He's out of line... keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. The true jerk is the seller who does so. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote: I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. I agree with you. I refuse to leave feedback for anyone who implies a threat like that, unless it's negative feedback, and I usually report such nonsense to the Ebay staff. As a seller, I post feedback on the buyer when I have received payment and shipped the product to them via a tracked service. That's when my part of the transaction is complete. As a buyer, I leave feedback when the transaction is completed ... when I have received all the merchandise I paid for and verified its condition. Earlier than that would not reflect an evaluation of the transaction, that's when the transaction is complete. Case in point: My old LD player died for the third time and I could not justify sending it out for a $240 repair again. Meanwhile, I still have a huge number of LDs that I like, many of which are not available on DVD yet (nor do I really want to buy them again). So I hunted around and found that I could get a serviceable if not quite the same quality Pioneer CL D2400 for about $35 from a vendor on Ebay. Not a great player but good enough for my purposes. I used the BIN, paid immediately, and waited for the package to arrive. The seller and shipped the package on time, left positive feedback as I had fulfilled my part of the transaction. The player arrived on schedule, but the remote listed in the auction was not in the box. I sent a note asking whether there'd been some mistake, as the auction clearly listed the remote as included. The seller responded within a day, their mistake, and they would send on the remote separately. It arrived in four days, I tested it with the player and everything worked well, the seller had completed their part of the transaction properly. I left feedback that the transaction was positive with good communications and item as described. That's how it should work. Only a jerk would consider the feedback to be part of the transaction on the part of the buyer and the obligation of the buyer to post first. I would never knowingly buy anything from a jerk. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I wouldn't have thought so a couple of years ago, but I agree now. I give repeat buyers feedback right away. I never _ask_ for buyers to leave me feedback - except when they are new to ebay - I write something like I'll be sure to leave you good feedback when I get your payment and hope you will do the same when you receive the item - let me know if there are any problems, etc.. I chat a lot with the buyers - always write personal notes on bills, etc... but once when I gave someone a nice thank you for quick payment right away the woman wrote and said she wanted her money back because the item wasnt authentic (it was, of course, and I documented it well for her - never heard from her again after I told her I still would happily take it back as there were others who wanted it. ) I want reassurance that a package arrived safely and buyer is pleased. As a buyer (which I seldom am) I leave feedback real fast as a seller I dawdle a bit and do a bunch at once. ann Paul Stenquist wrote: It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. The true jerk is the seller who does so. The seller who is confident that the goods that go were as represented should have nothing to fear but the occasional person who is an aberration to the norm (but that's the same in all areas of living of course). Generally the buyers response to your emails combined with their eBay feedback provides a fair indication of how easy they will be to deal with That's one big reason why the checkout system doesn't work for me as a seller. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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NOPE, see my earlier posts. sellers cant leave postives until the buyer buys, and just paying is not buying. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of keith_w Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:45 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay Perry Pellechia wrote: On 1/23/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I win an item, pay promptly and in all ways stay within the confines of the published terms of the auction, then the seller should be giving me positive feedback without holding my giving positive feedback as part of the deal. To do otherewise isn't ethical. I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. I'm on your side, Perry. He's out of line... keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I would give repeat buyers immediate feedback as well, but for unknown buyers, I wait. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:41 PM, ann sanfedele wrote: I wouldn't have thought so a couple of years ago, but I agree now. I give repeat buyers feedback right away. I never _ask_ for buyers to leave me feedback - except when they are new to ebay - I write something like I'll be sure to leave you good feedback when I get your payment and hope you will do the same when you receive the item - let me know if there are any problems, etc.. I chat a lot with the buyers - always write personal notes on bills, etc... but once when I gave someone a nice thank you for quick payment right away the woman wrote and said she wanted her money back because the item wasnt authentic (it was, of course, and I documented it well for her - never heard from her again after I told her I still would happily take it back as there were others who wanted it. ) I want reassurance that a package arrived safely and buyer is pleased. As a buyer (which I seldom am) I leave feedback real fast as a seller I dawdle a bit and do a bunch at once. ann Paul Stenquist wrote: It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Sorry but you are assuming that the buyer will keep the item, isnt going to make some kind of ridiculous claim that the item isnt as described, isnt going to make a total refund paypal claim, etc. If a seller leaves a postive feedback before the buyer does, he has no recourse to unfair negative feedback and some buyers will try to make outrageous demands or threaten to give a negative FB ( without any risk to their own feedback, if you gave them a premature postive before the transaction was completed). Now you may ask, why couldnt the seller take advantage of the buyer after the buyer has left a positive feedback first, well, I guess they could leave a negative after a buyer left a positive, but I have never heard of such a thing ever on ebay and I have been doing ebay for over 10 years and I have seen all kinds of crazy stuff going on there. How psycho could a seller be to leave a buyer negative after a buyer left him a positive first? THAT would really be sick. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William Robb Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:50 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay - Original Message - From: J. C. O'Connell Subject: RE: OT- eBay Actually, I really dont see how feedback can logically be left in any other sequence, buyer leaves first, then seller reciprocates. I'm not following your logic (not surprising). What you are saying is that it doesn't matter that the buyer completes the transaction in good faith? If I pay, it shouldn't matter if you screw up your end, I've still completed my end of the transaction. The feedback mechanism allows sellers to reply to feedback if they feel so inclined. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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WRONG- you assume all buyers are like you. Ebay sellers have to deal with all kinds of nutty buyers and the deal isnt done just because they paid. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 8:07 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Perry Pellechia wrote: I agree 100%. I just bought a Optech strap from an eBay dealer and he thanked me for the sale and wrote you can anticipate us leaving positive feedback for you ... when you have posted positive feedback for us. This is BS. I bought the item via buy-it-now and paid immediately. He should be leaving positive feedback for me at that moment. I have lived up to my part of the deal and feedback should not be considered part of the payment. Needless to say I am not going to be making any repeat business with this dealer nor will I be leaving any feedback. I agree with you. I refuse to leave feedback for anyone who implies a threat like that, unless it's negative feedback, and I usually report such nonsense to the Ebay staff. As a seller, I post feedback on the buyer when I have received payment and shipped the product to them via a tracked service. That's when my part of the transaction is complete. As a buyer, I leave feedback when the transaction is completed ... when I have received all the merchandise I paid for and verified its condition. Earlier than that would not reflect an evaluation of the transaction, that's when the transaction is complete. Case in point: My old LD player died for the third time and I could not justify sending it out for a $240 repair again. Meanwhile, I still have a huge number of LDs that I like, many of which are not available on DVD yet (nor do I really want to buy them again). So I hunted around and found that I could get a serviceable if not quite the same quality Pioneer CL D2400 for about $35 from a vendor on Ebay. Not a great player but good enough for my purposes. I used the BIN, paid immediately, and waited for the package to arrive. The seller and shipped the package on time, left positive feedback as I had fulfilled my part of the transaction. The player arrived on schedule, but the remote listed in the auction was not in the box. I sent a note asking whether there'd been some mistake, as the auction clearly listed the remote as included. The seller responded within a day, their mistake, and they would send on the remote separately. It arrived in four days, I tested it with the player and everything worked well, the seller had completed their part of the transaction properly. I left feedback that the transaction was positive with good communications and item as described. That's how it should work. Only a jerk would consider the feedback to be part of the transaction on the part of the buyer and the obligation of the buyer to post first. I would never knowingly buy anything from a jerk. G -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Most of my recent sales have been to Europe or Asia. The communication is frequently minimal. I ship the goods when I receive payment, but I wait for feedback before I provide the same. True, there are exceptions. Well qualified buyers who communicate well are not cause for concern, and I have at times provided feedback immediately. But those are the exception rather than the rule. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 9:45 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. The true jerk is the seller who does so. The seller who is confident that the goods that go were as represented should have nothing to fear but the occasional person who is an aberration to the norm (but that's the same in all areas of living of course). Generally the buyers response to your emails combined with their eBay feedback provides a fair indication of how easy they will be to deal with That's one big reason why the checkout system doesn't work for me as a seller. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 1/23/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to lose in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts feedback, I don't either. Works for me. Paul A sellers could look at my feedback and determine that I am a trusted buyer or not. Combined with my prompt payment, this should be more than enough for them to decide they could place the feedback that is deserved. If their product is how they described then they should also be assured that I will have no reason to complain. Perry. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I don't agree. Positive feedback from a seller regards a buyer means the buyer paid the invoice according to the stipulations of the transaction and communicated in a fair and sensible manner. If the buyer didn't pay or paid late, or otherwise acted obnoxiously, a note to the ebay staff and neutral or negative feedback would be indicated. Positive feedback from the buyer regards a seller means the seller responded to queries, described the item accurately and shipped promptly, and that the merchandise was received and met approval. If any of these things is out of line, then neutral to negative feedback is appropriate if you are being fair and honest about it. These are two entirely separate sets of criteria. Why should the seller's feedback on the buyer happen after the buyer says the merchandise is ok? Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is unethical behavior. G On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware of rip-off artists. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I don't agree. Positive feedback from a seller regards a buyer means the buyer paid the invoice according to the stipulations of the transaction and communicated in a fair and sensible manner. If the buyer didn't pay or paid late, or otherwise acted obnoxiously, a note to the ebay staff and neutral or negative feedback would be indicated. Positive feedback from the buyer regards a seller means the seller responded to queries, described the item accurately and shipped promptly, and that the merchandise was received and met approval. If any of these things is out of line, then neutral to negative feedback is appropriate if you are being fair and honest about it. These are two entirely separate sets of criteria. Why should the seller's feedback on the buyer happen after the buyer says the merchandise is ok? Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is unethical behavior. G On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I've a number of things to people in Asia, South America, Europe and Africa. In all cases, I require puchasers of goods that live outside the US to communicate with me before placing a bid, and I put that right in the auction description. I do this because I will not quote the cost of shipping without knowing where the item is going, and because the cost of shipping might adversely affect the desirability of the item due to price. It opens the line for sensible and effective communications, which always improves the quality of the transaction. G On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Most of my recent sales have been to Europe or Asia. The communication is frequently minimal. I ship the goods when I receive payment, but I wait for feedback before I provide the same. True, there are exceptions. Well qualified buyers who communicate well are not cause for concern, and I have at times provided feedback immediately. But those are the exception rather than the rule. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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WHY WHY WHY do you or other buyers need immediate positve feedback? Whats the point? Why not be patient, wait til you get your goods, and when you do and are satisfied, leave a positive for the seller. With all the bullshit going on on ebay, I can tell you that I am delighted when any deal works as planned or better and am glad to give sellers + feedback first. I dont give a rats ass about early + feedback from a seller, I care about getting the goods as advertised first and if I do I reward the seller with a postive FB. Any decent seller will reciprocate. Thats how I have been doing ebay for 10 years jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Perry Pellechia Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:51 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay On 1/23/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to lose in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts feedback, I don't either. Works for me. Paul A sellers could look at my feedback and determine that I am a trusted buyer or not. Combined with my prompt payment, this should be more than enough for them to decide they could place the feedback that is deserved. If their product is how they described then they should also be assured that I will have no reason to complain. Perry. -- Perry Pellechia Primary email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alternate email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Home Page: http://homer.chem.sc.edu/perry -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In several hundred sale transactions, I've only had one buyer who acted erratically. He was very nervous, likely because he was paying me top dollar for a collectible item and was barely able to afford it. He was annoyed even having received it that it wasn't exactly as his fantasy about it had set his expectations, even though it was very accurately described. I offered to take the item back and refund his money without question, split the return shipping charge. He came to the conclusion that he liked it too much, it was really what he had wanted, and begged off with an apology. I require buyers to contact me to promote good communications. It seems to work. I've only ever had one other bad sale, not on Ebay, by one of those scammers who want to launder money through a seller. It's very easy to simply refuse the sale and accept no money from them. G On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware of rip-off artists. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware of rip-off artists. How can the buyer rip off the seller when the seller is the party holding the cash? I state quite plainly in my auction details that take no responsibility for shipping past the point that it falls into the hands of the shipper nominated by the buyer. If the goods are lost or damaged it's not my problem and I've never received a complaint about inadequate packaging (which I supply for free in 99.9% of cases). If the buyers aren't pleased with the condition of the item I always have high res images which I can refer to, if it's a genuine case of the item not responding as it should I will offer to refund the buyer on receipt of the goods so long as they are adequately re-packed but again I don't offer to cover shipping costs as I didn't force them to bid from where ever they did. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good communication and due caution are just common sense. But if you provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and possible problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why would you throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction. The buyer can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or that it was not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only assurance you have that this won't happen. Simple logic. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:09 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I've a number of things to people in Asia, South America, Europe and Africa. In all cases, I require puchasers of goods that live outside the US to communicate with me before placing a bid, and I put that right in the auction description. I do this because I will not quote the cost of shipping without knowing where the item is going, and because the cost of shipping might adversely affect the desirability of the item due to price. It opens the line for sensible and effective communications, which always improves the quality of the transaction. G On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Most of my recent sales have been to Europe or Asia. The communication is frequently minimal. I ship the goods when I receive payment, but I wait for feedback before I provide the same. True, there are exceptions. Well qualified buyers who communicate well are not cause for concern, and I have at times provided feedback immediately. But those are the exception rather than the rule. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: OT- eBay In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware of rip-off artists. Two way street Paul. I've only done some 50 eBay transactions, all were purchases on my part. I've had two sellers rip me off outright, one seller send an item that was nowhere near as advertised, and two vendors who refused to leave feedback until after I had left positive feedback for them. The question I have for this sort of vendor is, if you have been honest and haven't misrepresented anything, what are you afraid of? It is far easier to be an unscrupulous vendor than an unscrupulous buyer, and my experience is that there are far more dishonest vendors than there are buyers. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT- eBay Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is unethical behavior. Bingo!! eBay is a leap of faith for the buyer. You pay your money, and you hope that the seller is honest, fair and ethical. A seller using the feedback mechanism as a means of controlling the buyer shows a lack of regard for the fact the buyer ultimately is the one at risk, and a lack of respect for the process. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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There are numerous cases of buyers complaining to ebay that the merchandise was never delivered or was faulty. If it's a paypal deal, they can sometimes get their money back. Do as you will, but I prefer to wait until I'm sure everything is okay before I post feedback. Others are free to do as they please. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:21 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 24/01/07, Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware of rip-off artists. How can the buyer rip off the seller when the seller is the party holding the cash? I state quite plainly in my auction details that take no responsibility for shipping past the point that it falls into the hands of the shipper nominated by the buyer. If the goods are lost or damaged it's not my problem and I've never received a complaint about inadequate packaging (which I supply for free in 99.9% of cases). If the buyers aren't pleased with the condition of the item I always have high res images which I can refer to, if it's a genuine case of the item not responding as it should I will offer to refund the buyer on receipt of the goods so long as they are adequately re-packed but again I don't offer to cover shipping costs as I didn't force them to bid from where ever they did. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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WRONG, you are continuing to assume that all buyers are reasonable and ethical. Sellers cant give pos FB until the buyer agrees the deal was good and done by giving the seller a pos feedback first. Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not just listings made or payments sent. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:03 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay I don't agree. Positive feedback from a seller regards a buyer means the buyer paid the invoice according to the stipulations of the transaction and communicated in a fair and sensible manner. If the buyer didn't pay or paid late, or otherwise acted obnoxiously, a note to the ebay staff and neutral or negative feedback would be indicated. Positive feedback from the buyer regards a seller means the seller responded to queries, described the item accurately and shipped promptly, and that the merchandise was received and met approval. If any of these things is out of line, then neutral to negative feedback is appropriate if you are being fair and honest about it. These are two entirely separate sets of criteria. Why should the seller's feedback on the buyer happen after the buyer says the merchandise is ok? Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is unethical behavior. G On Jan 23, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: It's really quite simple. Positive feedback from the buyer indicates that they are pleased with the merchandise. Only when they indicate that they are pleased is the transaction complete. To leave feedback before the buyer okays the merchandise is foolish. ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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No bingo. Ebay is a two-way street and buyers are as unscrupulous as sellers. If you're an honest seller, you have to be wary of dishonest buyers. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:19 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT- eBay Any other way of thinking about it means that your judgement on the buyer's end of the transaction is contingent upon how they feel about you acted, which poses a quiet threat or bribe. I feel this is unethical behavior. Bingo!! eBay is a leap of faith for the buyer. You pay your money, and you hope that the seller is honest, fair and ethical. A seller using the feedback mechanism as a means of controlling the buyer shows a lack of regard for the fact the buyer ultimately is the one at risk, and a lack of respect for the process. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You're a buyer only. That explains a lot. As a seller, I've encountered numerous unscrupulous buyers. Usually, I can spot them ahead of time. But early on I learned that some will wait until you post feedback and then try to blackmail you with the threat of negative feedback. They usually ask for a substantial refund based on inventive complaints. If I sell, I wait for the other party to post feedback. When I buy, I post feedback immediately if I like the merchandise. It seems to be the natural order of things. On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:26 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: OT- eBay In a perfect world, you might be right, Godfrey. But in the real world, unscrupulous buyers frequently try to rip off legitimate sellers. Leaving feedback before the buyer has approved the merchandise only encourages that behavior. Do as you wish, but beware of rip-off artists. Two way street Paul. I've only done some 50 eBay transactions, all were purchases on my part. I've had two sellers rip me off outright, one seller send an item that was nowhere near as advertised, and two vendors who refused to leave feedback until after I had left positive feedback for them. The question I have for this sort of vendor is, if you have been honest and haven't misrepresented anything, what are you afraid of? It is far easier to be an unscrupulous vendor than an unscrupulous buyer, and my experience is that there are far more dishonest vendors than there are buyers. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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How can a buyer blackmail you? You have the money, they have your goods. If they're dissatisfied with the goods, tell them to return them and then return their money. Use an insured, tracked shipping service only, and stipulate that in the communications surrounding the sale. If the goods do not arrive at the destination, the shipper is liable to pay out the insured value. If you have to ship where such service does not exist or is too expensive, get that into writing before you complete the deal, stating that the loss in a situation for non-delivery is between the buyer and the shipping company, and document that the item was shipped. It's the way business transactions have always been done. I see no reason to threaten a buyer with bad feedback so that they will write good things about me first. And if they give me bad feedback in an unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it. (No one has ever given me bad feedback.) G On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good communication and due caution are just common sense. But if you provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and possible problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why would you throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction. The buyer can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or that it was not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only assurance you have that this won't happen. Simple logic. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG, you are continuing to assume that all buyers are reasonable and ethical. Sellers cant give pos FB until the buyer agrees the deal was good and done by giving the seller a pos feedback first. Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not just listings made or payments sent. Feedback for the buyer and seller is obviously independent, otherwise eBay would implement a mechanism to ensure that the feedback posted between buyer and seller was complementary. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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If they paid with Paypal, they can get their money back. Even if they didn't, they can give you negative feedback. For a seller, any negative feedback is deadly. Anyone who sells a substantial amount of goods on ebay will tell you the same thing: You wait for your feedback, which indicates buyer satisfaction. Then, you provide feedback. Why would you want to say that the transaction was okay before they buyer approves the goods via feedback? As I said before, common sense. Debate it to the death if you wish, but your position makes no sense, except perhaps from an ivory tower perspective. Paul On Jan 23, 2007, at 10:53 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: How can a buyer blackmail you? You have the money, they have your goods. If they're dissatisfied with the goods, tell them to return them and then return their money. Use an insured, tracked shipping service only, and stipulate that in the communications surrounding the sale. If the goods do not arrive at the destination, the shipper is liable to pay out the insured value. If you have to ship where such service does not exist or is too expensive, get that into writing before you complete the deal, stating that the loss in a situation for non-delivery is between the buyer and the shipping company, and document that the item was shipped. It's the way business transactions have always been done. I see no reason to threaten a buyer with bad feedback so that they will write good things about me first. And if they give me bad feedback in an unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it. (No one has ever given me bad feedback.) G On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good communication and due caution are just common sense. But if you provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and possible problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why would you throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction. The buyer can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or that it was not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only assurance you have that this won't happen. Simple logic. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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Exactly. On Jan 23, 2007, at 11:07 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: On 24/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if they give me bad feedback in an unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it. Be thankful nobody has ever given you negative feedback, unfortunately even if illegitimately posted it can be very difficult to force it to be removed. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 24/01/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if they give me bad feedback in an unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it. Be thankful nobody has ever given you negative feedback, unfortunately even if illegitimately posted it can be very difficult to force it to be removed. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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What's your point in the context of my quote? I dont get it. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:03 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WRONG, you are continuing to assume that all buyers are reasonable and ethical. Sellers cant give pos FB until the buyer agrees the deal was good and done by giving the seller a pos feedback first. Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not just listings made or payments sent. Feedback for the buyer and seller is obviously independent, otherwise eBay would implement a mechanism to ensure that the feedback posted between buyer and seller was complementary. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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You are the clueless person of the day. EBAY FEEDBACK is essentially PERMANENT. They will not retract it for you unless it breaks very strict/narrow ebay rules like giving personal information away, linking to webpage rants, a court order is issued to do so, etc. In other words, if someone gives you really bad, extremely harsh, even totally false negative feedback, there is nothing you can do and ebay wont help you by removing it. Thats why I dont give away my right to leave a counterattacking equally brutal negative feedback by posting a premature postive one in a totally UNKNOWN situation like only getting a payment and shipping something out without any buyer handshaking whatsoever yet. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Godfrey DiGiorgi Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 10:53 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay How can a buyer blackmail you? You have the money, they have your goods. If they're dissatisfied with the goods, tell them to return them and then return their money. Use an insured, tracked shipping service only, and stipulate that in the communications surrounding the sale. If the goods do not arrive at the destination, the shipper is liable to pay out the insured value. If you have to ship where such service does not exist or is too expensive, get that into writing before you complete the deal, stating that the loss in a situation for non-delivery is between the buyer and the shipping company, and document that the item was shipped. It's the way business transactions have always been done. I see no reason to threaten a buyer with bad feedback so that they will write good things about me first. And if they give me bad feedback in an unjustified manner, I go to the auction host and have them remove it. (No one has ever given me bad feedback.) G On Jan 23, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: Fine. I do the same, although I don't restrict bidding. But good communication and due caution are just common sense. But if you provide positive feedback before the buyer indicates that the merchandise is acceptable, you open the door to blackmail and possible problems. Waiting for approval is common sense as well. Why would you throw caution to the wind at this point in the transaction. The buyer can still claim that you didn't send the merchanidise or that it was not as advertised. Positive feedback is the only assurance you have that this won't happen. Simple logic. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 24/01/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just to prove that it is not just in my mind, yesterday I received the leather to redo the radio. Perfect transaction! Just the way they all should be. Of course, leather, unlike electronics and cameras, does not require special packing. But fast shipping, bulletproof packing, and as good as, or better than, described should be the goal of every eBay seller. They are mine, when I am the seller. Maybe eBay needs a new rating system, something like: 4- Service and merchandise beyond reasonable expectations. 3- Service and merchandise meets expectations 2- Service and merchandise did not meet expectations. 1- Service and merchandise far below expectations. 0- Deliberate misrepresentation or merchandise not received. Zero's will be suspended, and upon verification banned. A performance figure ie a performance average that is a function of a multiple choice survey that's imposed on buyers and sellers could provide good information along side the conventional feedback system. As the users performance figure wouldn't be linked inextricably to any particular id it could encourage people to be more honest in their appraisals of the deal than they often are through fear of retaliatory feedback. Unfortunately I suspect we're stuck with what we've got and now with the recent changes to the system where it obscures the bidder IDs I'm feeling a little less confident as a seller. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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huh? your not making any sense. If ebay did what you propose (buyer and seller have to agree for FB to be posted?), there wouldnt be anything but positives would there? and that would be useless. I said that feedback is intended is for the entire transaction and I stand by that. That doesnt mean the buyers and sellers will both agree on whether the transaction was good or bad. But what it means is I dont think its right to give a buyer postive feeback just because he paid because that is not the completion of the entire tranaction, thats only an early partial stage of the entire transaction. jco -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Digital Image Studio Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:41 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT- eBay On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's your point in the context of my quote? I dont get it. You stated: Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not just listings made or payments sent. This is plainly false, otherwise eBay would have implemented a mechanism whereby feedback couldn't be left independently by buyer and seller in any completed transaction. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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On 24/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's your point in the context of my quote? I dont get it. You stated: Feedback is for entire completed transactions, not just listings made or payments sent. This is plainly false, otherwise eBay would have implemented a mechanism whereby feedback couldn't be left independently by buyer and seller in any completed transaction. -- Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.swiftdsl.com.au/~distudio//publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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In a message dated 1/23/2007 6:27:01 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I disagree. As a seller, I never leave feedback until the buyer does. There's a risk of being blackmailed by unscrupulous buyers if you commit too soon to positive feedback. I've heard many horror stories of buyers complaining about merchandise and requesting a refund right after they received positive feedback. The seller has the most to lose in this situation. It's better to wait. If the buyer never posts feedback, I don't either. Works for me. Paul == Exactly, Paul. Totally agree. I am not blackmailing anyone. The transaction is complete once they have paid and I have shipped it. Feedback is actually a separate thing, not part of the transaction at all. It's post transaction. And seller feedback is 10X more important than buyer feedback. Unless the buyer is a total jerk who buys things and doesn't pay. That's all sellers really look for in buyer feedback. While negative seller feedback can impact one's sales. I should mention I also offer a full refund including shipping back if someone is unhappy. And that has only happened once (and she turned it down. I think my rating is now over 100 transactions). The best seller is someone who describes the item accurately, including all flaws, and shows good photos. Then buyers are not caught by surprise by something. I do all that. The logical way is for the seller to wait for feedback. By doing that, hopefully, if the buyer is unhappy, they will contact the seller first and let him or her know before leaving feedback. Then the seller can address their unhappiness. If they leave a negative before telling the seller they are unhappy then the seller has little or no motivation to address their unhappiness. It's just logical. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
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I've noticed that ALL sellers I've dealt with wait unti I've left feedback before they will. I consider it to be feedback blackmail in a way. You know that you will get negative feedback if you leave negative feedback. On the three occasions I've sold something, I've made a point to leave feedback as soon as the buyer has completed his part of the transaction...ie, paid. James - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: Re: OT- eBay In a message dated 1/23/2007 8:36:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've run into a couple of sellers who won't leave feedback until the buyer has left feedback. In these instances, I was tempted to leave negative feedback at the last second, better judgement for once ruled the day. However, I won't deal with those sellers again, being suspicious that their business paractices are perhaps a bit shady. William Robb == Uh. I routinely will not leave feedback until I get feedback. Of course, I am just a small time seller, selling personal items. But by doing that then I am guaranteed of feedback, otherwise people won't bother. I probably should mention I have a 100% rating. So I certainly do not regard it as a sneaky practice, but a reminder practice. Marnie aka Doe -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 23/01/2007 11:04 AM -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT- eBay
About 1/5 the buyers I have dealt with have left feedback. I've left feedback for about 1/3 of the sellers I've dealt with. It's no big deal to me: I don't care. Go to any business and buy something. The seller is done with the business of that transaction at the point they hand over the goods and take your money. If you are afterwards dissatisfied with the product and come back for customer service, that's a completely separate issue and should be rated separately. When someone pays me by Paypal, the agreement is that they will pay the fees and I will hold the merchandise until the money is deposited in my bank account. Once it is in my bank account, if they've paid by credit card they can go to their credit card company and request arbitration. Paypal can do nothing but ban my account ... and I don't care if they do that. Sheesh. Much ado about nothing. Godfrey On Jan 23, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: If they paid with Paypal, they can get their money back. Even if they didn't, they can give you negative feedback. For a seller, any negative feedback is deadly. Anyone who sells a substantial amount of goods on ebay will tell you the same thing: You wait for your feedback, which indicates buyer satisfaction. Then, you provide feedback. Why would you want to say that the transaction was okay before they buyer approves the goods via feedback? As I said before, common sense. Debate it to the death if you wish, but your position makes no sense, except perhaps from an ivory tower perspective. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT eBay slow down?
On Jan 13, 2007, at 9:25 PM, Digital Image Studio wrote: Is it my connection or is eBay as slow as a wet week these days? Everything is slow for me right now. My beloved ISP has finally started to enforce its policy of reducing to dialup speed once you reach your monthly quota :( Not that I ever bother with eBay, which is one of the ugliest sites on the web. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
