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On 12/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, except when they chew on shoes and throw up and stuff. Nyah, even then. Or shred the mail :-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53463679 -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada
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Gives meaning to the time-worn student's excuse, The dog ate my homework. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax From: wendy beard Or shred the mail :-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53463679
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wendy beard wrote: On 12/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, except when they chew on shoes and throw up and stuff. Nyah, even then. Or shred the mail :-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53463679 -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada Look at the eye! He knows something's going to happen in a hurry, and wants to be prepared! What a kick! Puppies that age are so full of it, it's almost impossible to contain them! Good catch! keith whaley
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- Original Message - From: wendy beard Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Or shred the mail :-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53463679 Looks like a CKC renewal WW
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That brings back memories, I'm surprised my dog has survived. wendy beard wrote: On 12/11/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, except when they chew on shoes and throw up and stuff. Nyah, even then. Or shred the mail :-) http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53463679 -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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In a message dated 12/10/2005 11:58:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not love in the strictly human sense maybe but I have no doubt that dogs, at least, care very deeply for their owners. My fathers dog waited for him to come downstairs, (he wasn't allowed on the second floor), for 9 years after my father died, I suspect that's why he lived to be almost 20 years old. = Awww. That's a great story. My understanding is that it's really more instinct. Dogs are pack animals and as pack animals they consider their human owners the alpha dogs, so they look up to them and follow them. Also dogs in particular have strong familial bonds -- wolves in the wild will fight for their family members and stick by them for life. So it certainly has some aspects that are very similar to human love -- loyalty, concern for the other, self-sacrifice, etc. Actually, come to think of it, that's a lot better than a lot of humans manage. Marnie aka Doe ;-)
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In a message dated 12/10/2005 9:32:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've probably missed most of this discussion but I just got my first dog 4 months ago from the pound and she has been the best thing in the world for me and my wife Now our cat is not too sure about her... Vic Yeah, I want a dog. Can't right now, Mom couldn't handle it. But every dog owner I have talked to in the last six months pretty much loves having a dog. Well, except when they chew on shoes and throw up and stuff. Nyah, even then. Sigh. Marnie :-(
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On Dec 11, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Bob W wrote: I hope nobody ever puts me in a nursing home. But if they do, I hope they keep the dogs out. I don't particularly like them, and I simply don't understand how people can love them. A therapy dog would not help me one bit. I'm perfectly capable of loving, but not dogs. How about cats? I'd sure appreciate a visit from this little fellow... as long as he doesn't sit in my lap! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? in_article_id=338009in_page_id=1770 - Dave
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2005 11:58:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not love in the strictly human sense maybe but I have no doubt that dogs, at least, care very deeply for their owners. My fathers dog waited for him to come downstairs, (he wasn't allowed on the second floor), for 9 years after my father died, I suspect that's why he lived to be almost 20 years old. = Awww. That's a great story. My understanding is that it's really more instinct. Dogs are pack animals and as pack animals they consider their human owners the alpha dogs, so they look up to them and follow them. Also dogs in particular have strong familial bonds -- wolves in the wild will fight for their family members and stick by them for life. So it certainly has some aspects that are very similar to human love -- loyalty, concern for the other, self-sacrifice, etc. Actually, come to think of it, that's a lot better than a lot of humans manage. NOW you got it right! ;-) That's the big difference. Pets are not capable of subtrefuge, lying, deceit, and all the other emdearing traits humans have developed to pester their fellow man and the source of their hatefulness... Marnie aka Doe ;-) keith
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Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:30:02 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2005 9:32:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've probably missed most of this discussion but I just got my first dog 4 months ago from the pound and she has been the best thing in the world for me and my wife Now our cat is not too sure about her... Vic Same boat, sort of.:-) Daughter and i would like a dog. Chocolate lab or maybe a Golden retriever. I'd worry about the two older cats but the younger one(who follows me around like a dog) would probably accept her new roomy easier. Dave David J Brooks Equine Photography in York Region www.caughtinmotion.com Pentax istD, Nikon D2H
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On 12/11/05, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2005 11:58:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not love in the strictly human sense maybe but I have no doubt that dogs, at least, care very deeply for their owners. My fathers dog waited for him to come downstairs, (he wasn't allowed on the second floor), for 9 years after my father died, I suspect that's why he lived to be almost 20 years old. = Awww. That's a great story. My understanding is that it's really more instinct. Dogs are pack animals and as pack animals they consider their human owners the alpha dogs, so they look up to them and follow them. Also dogs in particular have strong familial bonds -- wolves in the wild will fight for their family members and stick by them for life. So it certainly has some aspects that are very similar to human love -- loyalty, concern for the other, self-sacrifice, etc. Actually, come to think of it, that's a lot better than a lot of humans manage. NOW you got it right! ;-) That's the big difference. Pets are not capable of subtrefuge, lying, deceit, and all the other emdearing traits humans have developed to pester their fellow man and the source of their hatefulness... Oh I don't know I've come across a few cats dogs that could manipulate their human masters to get what they want. :-) Dave Marnie aka Doe ;-) keith
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Hi Dave: We got a beautiful 7 year-old Goldenretriever/collie cross that has the sweetest disposition ever. The thing that drives me crazy is all the attention she craves. I can't sit down without her coming over for a pat. I know I spoil her by patting her for hours on end but it's good for both of us. I'm coming off open heart surgery a year ago and need her to get me out walking everyday... She certainly does that I'll post some pics of her real soon Vic PS. Wendy I just loved the shot of your dog. It has inspired me to get serious about taking a nice shot of Mackie (my new dog). what kind of dog is she. She is absolutely beautiful. Vic On 11-Dec-05, at 9:15 AM, Dave Brooks wrote: Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:30:02 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/10/2005 9:32:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've probably missed most of this discussion but I just got my first dog 4 months ago from the pound and she has been the best thing in the world for me and my wife Now our cat is not too sure about her... Vic Same boat, sort of.:-) Daughter and i would like a dog. Chocolate lab or maybe a Golden retriever. I'd worry about the two older cats but the younger one(who follows me around like a dog) would probably accept her new roomy easier. Dave David J Brooks Equine Photography in York Region www.caughtinmotion.com Pentax istD, Nikon D2H
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My SO wants to start asap, but i won't do anything until we are 100% in favor of the reno. Why does that sound s familiar?
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- Original Message - From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Reno talk. was: PESO: Tanja My SO wants to start asap, but i won't do anything until we are 100% in favor of the reno. Why does that sound s familiar? Deja Fool: When we knowingly repeat the mistakes of others WW
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Powell Hargrave wrote: Smile 160 amps? I can not remember putting in less than 200 amp services, and often 400 amp, and that was 25 years ago. You guys up there must not have discovered the electric toaster yet. graywolf My little old house has mostly newer wiring, a reasonable number of circuits and circuit breakers, but the main switch box still holds two 60 amp fuses. No problems so far. (Knocking on wood). Powell This thread divergence had me really worried until I remembered. 110volts. mike
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They may not lie, but deceit? You've never dealt with some of the dogs I have... keith_w wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2005 11:58:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not love in the strictly human sense maybe but I have no doubt that dogs, at least, care very deeply for their owners. My fathers dog waited for him to come downstairs, (he wasn't allowed on the second floor), for 9 years after my father died, I suspect that's why he lived to be almost 20 years old. = Awww. That's a great story. My understanding is that it's really more instinct. Dogs are pack animals and as pack animals they consider their human owners the alpha dogs, so they look up to them and follow them. Also dogs in particular have strong familial bonds -- wolves in the wild will fight for their family members and stick by them for life. So it certainly has some aspects that are very similar to human love -- loyalty, concern for the other, self-sacrifice, etc. Actually, come to think of it, that's a lot better than a lot of humans manage. NOW you got it right! ;-) That's the big difference. Pets are not capable of subtrefuge, lying, deceit, and all the other emdearing traits humans have developed to pester their fellow man and the source of their hatefulness... Marnie aka Doe ;-) keith -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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- Original Message - From: P. J. Alling Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja They may not lie, but deceit? You've never dealt with some of the dogs I have... You are applying human motivations where there are none. Dogs are quite capable of showing basic emotions, deceit requires a level of reasoning that they are incapable of. William Robb
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On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: They may not lie, but deceit? You've never dealt with some of the dogs I have... Certainly some dogs are capable of deceit. Chimps certainly are, as well. I think most animals are far smarter than people give them credit for being. Bob
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On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:19 PM, William Robb wrote: Dogs are quite capable of showing basic emotions, deceit requires a level of reasoning that they are incapable of. And you know this how? Bob
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P. J. Alling wrote: They may not lie, but deceit? You've never dealt with some of the dogs I have... Okay. I take back deceit as far as it applies to dogs. I've seen several dogs do deceit quite well! Many stories! ;-) However, it doesn't seem they do it in a mean fashion, like humans are wont to do. Dogs' deceit is more sneaky. Getting away with something the master has told them to NOT do! I've seen 'em do it and then smile at the owner when caught! Yup. Smile! Or is it a smirk? keith
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- Original Message - From: Bob Shell Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja On Dec 11, 2005, at 12:19 PM, William Robb wrote: Dogs are quite capable of showing basic emotions, deceit requires a level of reasoning that they are incapable of. And you know this how? Having lived with the little critters for 25 years, by attending several dog behavioural seminars and teaching dog behaviour for the past several years.. This just happened in my house this morning: We have a house guest who is trying to integrate into the pack, as she will be with us for a few months. This morning, she got up and atended to the dog's needs (thereby letting us sleep in). She let them out for their morning constitutional, let them back in and fed them. About an hour later, my wife got up and was met by 3 dogs who were trying to convince her they had never been let out, hand never been fed. Deceitful dogs telling lies? Well no. Merely creatures of habit. Every morning, either my wife or I get up and let them out and then feed them. This is the way it always happens, therefore, when my wife appeared, they felt they should be let out and then fed. No deceit, just creatures of habit wondering what was wrong with this picture. Pretty much all dog behaviour can be figured out with a little logic, and a little knowledge about how they are motivated to act, without trying to affix the motivations of a different species with different motivations onto them. We want little people with fur, something akin to Heinlein's junior citizens, but with more complex thought. The motivations we assign them are often based on what we know, not on what they know. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Dogs' deceit is more sneaky. Getting away with something the master has told them to NOT do! I've seen 'em do it and then smile at the owner when caught! Yup. Smile! Or is it a smirk? I see what you are saying, but prefer to look at that behaviour from a different point of view. The dog looks at the behaviour it is about to present, and decides if this is an appropriate behaviour or not. If it doesn't have a better alternative, then the path it is considering at the moment is the best one. Part of that decision making process is what we have taught them, either through positive means or negative associations. Some behaviours are relatively easy to modify. Getting a dog to heel, rather than range out in front is relatively easy to acomplish for most dogs. For some, it is admitedly much more difficult, sometimes to the point you admit you will have a pretty good heal, but not a dog you can trust off leash. So it goes. It is still mostly an easy learn for a dog. Getting a dog to not grab the Christmas turkey off the undefended dining room table may be impossible if the dog is left to make his own decision, even with prior negative reinforcement. The motivator is stronger than the pre-learned negative motivation. Dogs are natural scavengers, I don't think it is possible to make them 100% reliable. A cooked bird carcass on the counter has gotta look pretty good, especially when all the pack Alphas have abandoned it. Generally, that means that the lesser dogs in the pack get their turn at the carcass. If the dog is smirking at you, it is because you have, in some way, reinforced the behaviour he is showing. The smirk he shows you as he gaily wags his tail and runs off with tomorrows lunch (and supper, and soup the next day and then a few more sandwiches) shows that he is playing and is confident of winning a game of chase with you. It's a fun game, one that they like to play, since they most always win. And this time, he is really motivated to win, and so is really enjoying the game. In this instance, I would remove the temptation. Sometimes we just have to be the smart ones. Another story; My male Rottie knows not to take from the undefended dining room table (other places are still fair game, it seems). Instead, he guards the table from his siblings. So we clean the table off right after supper. Once, after we had thought the table was cleared, we heard him doing his little guard dog interpretation, and discovered we had failed to remove a lemon rind from the table. Male Rotties are natural guards. In this instance, I believe his natural instinct to guard something valuable (in his mind, anyway) was greater than his desire to actually eat what was left behind. This behaviour is probably reinforced by our requirement that things not be removed from the table by him. He really likes guarding spinach, Feta cheese Italian sausage pizzas for some reason. Here's a classic example: The annoying dog who runs along the other side of the fence from you barking and snarling. Why do they do this? It's a territorial instint, and it is entirely self reinforcing. The dog is warning you away from his yard, and every time he barks, you leave, thereby satisfying his instictive need to preserve his boundaries. You walk past, he chases you off, he's done a good job. He wins every time, so he is going to keep doing it. That you were on your way to the 7-11 doesn't enter his head. The dog is probably wagging his tail too. At the same time, it annoys both the dogs owners and the victims of this behaviour. One would think they would stop doing it, since it annoys everyone. But wait, there may be more happenning here. What if the dog knows he is trapped in the yard. He knows how big his boundary is after all. So now we have taken away from him one of the two things that he uses as his core survival instinct. Under stress, a dog tends to use a flight or fight behaviour. Take away one, especially flight, and the dog may be forced into an undesirable decision making process, where believes he has to act, and has only one action to choose from. This is the chained dog syndrome. So, the dog at the fence may be doubly motivated to chase you away, one of those motivations being really deeply imbedded. Thats why it is so difficult to stop them from doing it, and most dogs will at least investigate something at the fence, if not actually bark at it, unless it is engaged in an activity that is of sufficient interest to keep it from noticing the threat. So, build a run nearer the house than the fence and pen your dogs in it when they have to be outside. Cut off their view of the fence if you have to. Removing the motivation behind the bad as much as possible, removes the bad behaviour, as much as possible. Everyone is happier. William Robb
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William Robb wrote: [...] We want little people with fur, something akin to Heinlein's junior citizens, but with more complex thought. The motivations we assign them are often based on what _we_ know, not on what _they_ know. Oh, I LOVE that! How telling! (Emphasis mine...) William Robb This is what humans do all the time! keith
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John Coyle wrote: Ann, Tanja does spell her name with a j, and she has gone very quiet lately. I'll give her a call soon to see if all is well: she was busy setting up an office and trying to generate work after cancelling her bike adventure this year. I've been away for a month myself, so I'm still catching up! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia The website says it was postponed until next year. It seems they were having difficulty generating enough sponsorship. m - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Nicely done, Wendy. Before opening I thought it might be a pic of our lost Fairygirl. Joe LOL! For just a second I thought that as well but I believe she spells her name Tanya and is way on the otherside of the globe ann
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Smile 160 amps? I can not remember putting in less than 200 amp services, and often 400 amp, and that was 25 years ago. You guys up there must not have discovered the electric toaster yet. graywolf http://www.graywolfphoto.com Idiot Proof == Expert Proof --- William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know WW will cringe when i say this, but, I'm planning a 12' by 33' addition to the house soon,with full additional basement,and then i may be able to do things like this.Plus it will give me additional room for the computer and darkroom, should supplies still be available.:-) I think thats the way to do it. You are doing 100% new construction, with minimal demolition. Are you planning on taking out the basement wall between the addition and the house? It would be a fairly major undertaking, but it would also be very doable, and would give you a huge basement.. Make sure you plan for a new furnace and AC, that's enough extra air volume to heat that unless the one you have now is ridiculously oversized, you will likely be replacing. If you are not planning a two story addition, you should be. The extra cost to do it will not be prohibitive when compared to the overall project cost for a single story. Web trusses are worth the extra money over solid 2x8. Were I to do it again, I would not use 2x4 construction, I would go to 2x6, and if code allowed it, 24 on center to maximize R value, and if I could swing it, I would strip the siding off the original structure and clad the entire thing in styrofoam insulation as well. You'll probably have to do a new electrical drop. Don't let anyone disuade you from bringing in 160 or so amps. One hundred amps just doesn't cut it anymore. I will probably be bringing in another 60 amps at some point. So much to think about... b..
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know WW will cringe when i say this, but, I'm planning a 12' by 33' addition to the house soon,with full additional basement,and then i may be able to do things like this.Plus it will give me additional room for the computer and darkroom, should supplies still be available.:-) I think thats the way to do it. You are doing 100% new construction, with minimal demolition. Are you planning on taking out the basement wall between the addition and the house? It would be a fairly major undertaking, but it would also be very doable, and would give you a huge basement.. No, not really. However it will be bigger than a regular door frame. Make sure you plan for a new furnace and AC, that's enough extra air volume to heat that unless the one you have now is ridiculously oversized, you will likely be replacing. Should be ok in that department.Or so syas my heating guy. If you are not planning a two story addition, you should be. The extra cost to do it will not be prohibitive when compared to the overall project cost for a single story. We still have not finalized any modifications yet. We have one idea for the back and 1 for the side. I would like to keep it a bungalo. Its a better selling feature in my area. I have thought about a back split. Thats my next drawing to do next week. I'm babysitting GPS units for a few days and i have time to do this in the truck. Problem is the garage. It prohibits a full width rear extension as it will be in the way. I know, knock it down, but i have not thought the rear site full yet, however trying to keep the garage as is is hopefull. For ease, the side route is better,back split will give me my extra rooms,but a much smaller basement. This is why i have not commeted to any oe thing yet. My SO wants to start asap, but i won't do anything until we are 100% in favor of the reno. Web trusses are worth the extra money over solid 2x8. Were I to do it again, I would not use 2x4 construction, I would go to 2x6, and if code allowed it, 24 on center to maximize R value, and if I could swing it, I would strip the siding off the original structure and clad the entire thing in styrofoam insulation as well. We'll be doing all of the above, with all new siding as well. You'll probably have to do a new electrical drop. Don't let anyone disuade you from bringing in 160 or so amps. One hundred amps just doesn't cut it anymore. I will probably be bringing in another 60 amps at some point. So much to think about... We'll be doing 200 minimum. I have several electrition buddys and thats their suggestion. Thnaks for the tips Dave PS all depends if the horse is sold to. If not, i won't have time next year to site sit construction. I f she is sold, i only have my onsite shows(8) and that may work. However i'm aiming for late 2006 or early 2007(the latter more likly:-)) b..
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- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: Reno talk. was: PESO: Tanja Smile 160 amps? I can not remember putting in less than 200 amp services, and often 400 amp, and that was 25 years ago. You guys up there must not have discovered the electric toaster yet. I can see putting in a 200 amp service if you are running a shop in your garage, anything more than that is a waste unless you are on electric heating. William Robb
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Hmmm. Does a dog make human a better human? I mean I can see that a dog has good gualities, but does dog ownership really confer/transfer something? Marnie aka Doe == In a message dated 12/9/2005 9:31:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). William Robb === No reasons given? I am sort of wondering why you said that. No reason needed. It's just one of the things I believe to be true. William Robb
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Does a dog make human a better human? Yes no. (No) - I've seen my share of dog owners who don't control their dogs and could care less about what they did to others property. ( Yes) - When I walked my Malemute, it sure seemed others got more friendly. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Hmmm. Does a dog make human a better human? I mean I can see that a dog has good gualities, but does dog ownership really confer/transfer something? Marnie aka Doe == In a message dated 12/9/2005 9:31:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). William Robb === No reasons given? I am sort of wondering why you said that. No reason needed. It's just one of the things I believe to be true. William Robb
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Hmmm. Does a dog make human a better human? I mean I can see that a dog has good gualities, but does dog ownership really confer/transfer something? I think it does. The exceptions are already evident with the neanderthals that abuse their animals or keep dogs that attack with no provocation. Fortunately, these morons are the minority. William Robb
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In a message dated 12/10/2005 10:14:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it does. The exceptions are already evident with the neanderthals that abuse their animals or keep dogs that attack with no provocation. Fortunately, these morons are the minority. William Robb Okay. I was thinking of the morons. But I know they've done studies that people in nursing homes and other situations like that are helped by visits from a therapy dog. Loving something is probably good for most people. Those capable of loving, that is. And loving something that appears to love you back. Ken, yeah, sometimes I think getting a dog is simply a good way to meet people. Hehehe. Marnie aka Doe
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay. I was thinking of the morons. But I know they've done studies that people in nursing homes and other situations like that are helped by visits from a therapy dog. Loving something is probably good for most people. Those capable of loving, that is. And loving something that appears to love you back. My next door neighbor lured one of our cats away from us. We had 4 or 5 at the time, so we didn't mind overmuch. Bill was a nice old guy who really liked black and white cats. Festus (a veritable mountain of a cat) moved next door and lived there for almost 20 years. My neighbor only outlived the cat by a year or so. We do therapy visits to nursing homes and care homes on a regular basis with our Rotties. Everyone, dogs included, enjoy these outings. We were at a therapy hospital for really badly damaged people a while back. One of our members put a dog in the lap of a lady who had been in a more or less vegetative state for several years. She reacted to this by starting to talk again (true story, I saw it myself). So yeah, I think they do more good than harm, overall. William Robb
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Smile 160 amps? I can not remember putting in less than 200 amp services, and often 400 amp, and that was 25 years ago. You guys up there must not have discovered the electric toaster yet. graywolf My little old house has mostly newer wiring, a reasonable number of circuits and circuit breakers, but the main switch box still holds two 60 amp fuses. No problems so far. (Knocking on wood). Powell
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2005 18:21 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja In a message dated 12/10/2005 10:14:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it does. The exceptions are already evident with the neanderthals that abuse their animals or keep dogs that attack with no provocation. Fortunately, these morons are the minority. William Robb Okay. I was thinking of the morons. But I know they've done studies that people in nursing homes and other situations like that are helped by visits from a therapy dog. Loving something is probably good for most people. Those capable of loving, that is. And loving something that appears to love you back. I hope nobody ever puts me in a nursing home. But if they do, I hope they keep the dogs out. I don't particularly like them, and I simply don't understand how people can love them. A therapy dog would not help me one bit. I'm perfectly capable of loving, but not dogs. Cheers, Bob
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- Original Message - From: Powell Hargrave Subject: Re: Reno talk. was: PESO: Tanja My little old house has mostly newer wiring, a reasonable number of circuits and circuit breakers, but the main switch box still holds two 60 amp fuses. No problems so far. (Knocking on wood). My original box had a 70 amp main breaker. It was perfectly adequate. The 100 amp circuit I replaced it with is also adequate, but I would now like a little more capacity. William Robb
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Bob W, I think it's the unconditional love from a dog that is of theraputic value. Regards, Bob S. On 12/10/05, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 December 2005 18:21 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja In a message dated 12/10/2005 10:14:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it does. The exceptions are already evident with the neanderthals that abuse their animals or keep dogs that attack with no provocation. Fortunately, these morons are the minority. William Robb Okay. I was thinking of the morons. But I know they've done studies that people in nursing homes and other situations like that are helped by visits from a therapy dog. Loving something is probably good for most people. Those capable of loving, that is. And loving something that appears to love you back. I hope nobody ever puts me in a nursing home. But if they do, I hope they keep the dogs out. I don't particularly like them, and I simply don't understand how people can love them. A therapy dog would not help me one bit. I'm perfectly capable of loving, but not dogs. Cheers, Bob
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay. I was thinking of the morons. But I know they've done studies that people in nursing homes and other situations like that are helped by visits from a therapy dog. Loving something is probably good for most people. Those capable of loving, that is. And loving something that appears to love you back. My next door neighbor lured one of our cats away from us. We had 4 or 5 at the time, so we didn't mind overmuch. Bill was a nice old guy who really liked black and white cats. Festus (a veritable mountain of a cat) moved next door and lived there for almost 20 years. My neighbor only outlived the cat by a year or so. Cat owners know...cats's choose their owners. g The cat decides who to accompany thru life, and the lucky ones get chosen. I'm happy your neighbor found a cat who deigned to love him and stay with him. It does make a huge difference in the quality of life. We do therapy visits to nursing homes and care homes on a regular basis with our Rotties. Everyone, dogs included, enjoy these outings. We were at a therapy hospital for really badly damaged people a while back. One of our members put a dog in the lap of a lady who had been in a more or less vegetative state for several years. She reacted to this by starting to talk again (true story, I saw it myself). So yeah, I think they do more good than harm, overall. William Robb Yup. Agree. keith
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- Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Cat owners know...cats's choose their owners. g The cat decides who to accompany thru life, and the lucky ones get chosen. I'm happy your neighbor found a cat who deigned to love him and stay with him. It does make a huge difference in the quality of life. My neighbor kinda lured him away, tinned salmon, fresh trout, that sort of thing. William Robb
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Me too ;-) (In fact I'm behind with commenting) Tim Mostly harmless (just plain Norwegian) Never underestimate the power of stupidity in large crowds (Very freely after Arthur C. Clarke, or some other clever guy) -Original Message- From: E.R.N. Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 8. desember 2005 16:26 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja and I keep forgetting to chime in with a Me Too about what a great portrait of a beautiful dog that is.
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Cat owners know...cats's choose their owners. g The cat decides who to accompany thru life, and the lucky ones get chosen. I'm happy your neighbor found a cat who deigned to love him and stay with him. It does make a huge difference in the quality of life. My neighbor kinda lured him away, tinned salmon, fresh trout, that sort of thing. William Robb Yeah, but...cats are practical creatures. I've seen many of them show up for choe, and spend the night at home. They know a good meal when they taste one, and they know a source thereof! g Backup, home away from home and all that. An ad hoc friend, that turned out to be a very good choice. keith
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A friend's cat disappeared in winter a few years ago. She put up notices with rewards for the cat's return around the neighborhood for several months, but with no luck. In April, her cat reappeared. After some days, a woman appeared to apologize. The cat had been visiting the woman regularly, was being fed by both families, and the other woman thought it was a stray cat. She took it with her to Florida for several months in the winter. Cat's vacation! Regards, Bob S. On 12/10/05, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: keith_w Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Cat owners know...cats's choose their owners. g The cat decides who to accompany thru life, and the lucky ones get chosen. I'm happy your neighbor found a cat who deigned to love him and stay with him. It does make a huge difference in the quality of life. My neighbor kinda lured him away, tinned salmon, fresh trout, that sort of thing. William Robb Yeah, but...cats are practical creatures. I've seen many of them show up for choe, and spend the night at home. They know a good meal when they taste one, and they know a source thereof! g Backup, home away from home and all that. An ad hoc friend, that turned out to be a very good choice. keith
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In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:13:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope nobody ever puts me in a nursing home. But if they do, I hope they keep the dogs out. I don't particularly like them, and I simply don't understand how people can love them. A therapy dog would not help me one bit. I'm perfectly capable of loving, but not dogs. Cheers, Bob == I feel the same way about cats. Marnie aka Doe ;-) BTW, I doubt what cats or dogs feel for humans is love, per se.
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:13:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope nobody ever puts me in a nursing home. But if they do, I hope they keep the dogs out. I don't particularly like them, and I simply don't understand how people can love them. A therapy dog would not help me one bit. I'm perfectly capable of loving, but not dogs. Cheers, Bob == I feel the same way about cats. Marnie aka Doe ;-) BTW, I doubt what cats or dogs feel for humans is love, per se. Love has a whole galaxy of different meanings anyway ...
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I've probably missed most of this discussion but I just got my first dog 4 months ago from the pound and she has been the best thing in the world for me and my wife Now our cat is not too sure about her... Vic On 11-Dec-05, at 12:22 AM, E.R.N. Reed wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:13:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope nobody ever puts me in a nursing home. But if they do, I hope they keep the dogs out. I don't particularly like them, and I simply don't understand how people can love them. A therapy dog would not help me one bit. I'm perfectly capable of loving, but not dogs. Cheers, Bob == I feel the same way about cats. Marnie aka Doe ;-) BTW, I doubt what cats or dogs feel for humans is love, per se. Love has a whole galaxy of different meanings anyway ...
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Not love in the strictly human sense maybe but I have no doubt that dogs, at least, care very deeply for their owners. My fathers dog waited for him to come downstairs, (he wasn't allowed on the second floor), for 9 years after my father died, I suspect that's why he lived to be almost 20 years old. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/10/2005 12:13:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope nobody ever puts me in a nursing home. But if they do, I hope they keep the dogs out. I don't particularly like them, and I simply don't understand how people can love them. A therapy dog would not help me one bit. I'm perfectly capable of loving, but not dogs. Cheers, Bob == I feel the same way about cats. Marnie aka Doe ;-) BTW, I doubt what cats or dogs feel for humans is love, per se. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Nicely done, Wendy. Before opening I thought it might be a pic of our lost Fairygirl. Joe LOL! For just a second I thought that as well but I believe she spells her name Tanya and is way on the otherside of the globe ann
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Powell Hargrave wrote: If this gets out of hand, i'll post some horse pictures on the days they stay inside. You don't want me to do that.g Dave(pitch fork )Brooks Smells better than cats. Or even dogs for that matter. Powell Perhaps less gross rather than better :) what a topic - gotta stop this sh*t ann
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In a message dated 12/8/2005 7:27:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). William Robb === No reasons given? I am sort of wondering why you said that. Great shot, Wendy. Marnie aka Doe
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On 12/8/05, Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha, I guess you don't remember that cat poop don't stink BG Well then someone's shittin' in the basement and stinking it to high hell, 'cause something down there smells real bad! vbg -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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- Original Message - From: Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). William Robb === No reasons given? I am sort of wondering why you said that. No reason needed. It's just one of the things I believe to be true. William Robb
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Thanks for the set up pictures Wendy. I know WW will cringe when i say this, but, I'm planning a 12' by 33' addition to the house soon,with full additional basement,and then i may be able to do things like this.Plus it will give me additional room for the computer and darkroom, should supplies still be available.:-) Dave On 12/7/05, Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. How was it lit? http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Like this http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154020 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154021 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154022 I normally like to use just one main light but was playing around with adding a second to see how it looked. Wendy (yes, I know there's a humungous dust spot on the sensor) -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada
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Ann, Tanja does spell her name with a j, and she has gone very quiet lately. I'll give her a call soon to see if all is well: she was busy setting up an office and trying to generate work after cancelling her bike adventure this year. I've been away for a month myself, so I'm still catching up! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Nicely done, Wendy. Before opening I thought it might be a pic of our lost Fairygirl. Joe LOL! For just a second I thought that as well but I believe she spells her name Tanya and is way on the otherside of the globe ann
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John Coyle wrote: Ann, Tanja does spell her name with a j, and she has gone very quiet lately. I'll give her a call soon to see if all is well: she was busy setting up an office and trying to generate work... Photography-wise? ...after cancelling her bike adventure this year. Say WHAT? Why *ever*? Geez! That must have been a shock! To whom, I'm not certain, but... I've been away for a month myself, so I'm still catching up! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia Please do let us know! Ever since that dog photo came on, I have been thinking about her (no, no! I mean the name similarities!) and whether her trip did what it was to have done, etc. Hope she's otherwise okay. Like, is she still with that new boyfriend? I sure hope that didn't go south on her! You know, the IMPORTANT stuff! g keith whaley
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Yes, inquiring minds want to know! -- Bruce Friday, December 9, 2005, 5:35:39 PM, you wrote: k John Coyle wrote: Ann, Tanja does spell her name with a j, and she has gone very quiet lately. I'll give her a call soon to see if all is well: she was busy setting up an office and trying to generate work... k Photography-wise? ...after cancelling her bike adventure this year. k Say WHAT? k Why *ever*? k Geez! That must have been a shock! To whom, I'm not certain, but... I've been away for a month myself, so I'm still catching up! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia k Please do let us know! Ever since that dog photo came on, I have been k thinking about her (no, no! I mean the name similarities!) and whether k her trip did what it was to have done, etc. k Hope she's otherwise okay. k Like, is she still with that new boyfriend? I sure hope that didn't go k south on her! k You know, the IMPORTANT stuff! g k keith whaley
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I promise I'll let everyone know as soon as I do! Always good to see how friendly this list is... John Coyle Brisbane, Australia - Original Message - From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja John Coyle wrote: Ann, Tanja does spell her name with a j, and she has gone very quiet lately. I'll give her a call soon to see if all is well: she was busy setting up an office and trying to generate work... Photography-wise? ...after cancelling her bike adventure this year. Say WHAT? Why *ever*? Geez! That must have been a shock! To whom, I'm not certain, but... I've been away for a month myself, so I'm still catching up! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia Please do let us know! Ever since that dog photo came on, I have been thinking about her (no, no! I mean the name similarities!) and whether her trip did what it was to have done, etc. Hope she's otherwise okay. Like, is she still with that new boyfriend? I sure hope that didn't go south on her! You know, the IMPORTANT stuff! g keith whaley
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John Coyle wrote: Ann, Tanja does spell her name with a j, and she has gone very quiet lately. I'll give her a call soon to see if all is well: she was busy setting up an office and trying to generate work after cancelling her bike adventure this year. I've been away for a month myself, so I'm still catching up! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia Hehe I'm probably remembering it wrong because I spelled it wrong ages ago :) send regards when you do chat her up ann - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Nicely done, Wendy. Before opening I thought it might be a pic of our lost Fairygirl. Joe LOL! For just a second I thought that as well but I believe she spells her name Tanya and is way on the otherside of the globe ann
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Fairy girl. I was wondering what had become of Tanja just the other day. Even after leaving the list she used to check in once in a while. It's been a long time. I hope she's okay. Paul On Dec 10, 2005, at 12:00 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: John Coyle wrote: Ann, Tanja does spell her name with a j, and she has gone very quiet lately. I'll give her a call soon to see if all is well: she was busy setting up an office and trying to generate work after cancelling her bike adventure this year. I've been away for a month myself, so I'm still catching up! John Coyle Brisbane, Australia Hehe I'm probably remembering it wrong because I spelled it wrong ages ago :) send regards when you do chat her up ann - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:51 AM Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Nicely done, Wendy. Before opening I thought it might be a pic of our lost Fairygirl. Joe LOL! For just a second I thought that as well but I believe she spells her name Tanya and is way on the otherside of the globe ann
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I know WW will cringe when i say this, but, I'm planning a 12' by 33' addition to the house soon,with full additional basement,and then i may be able to do things like this.Plus it will give me additional room for the computer and darkroom, should supplies still be available.:-) I think thats the way to do it. You are doing 100% new construction, with minimal demolition. Are you planning on taking out the basement wall between the addition and the house? It would be a fairly major undertaking, but it would also be very doable, and would give you a huge basement.. Make sure you plan for a new furnace and AC, that's enough extra air volume to heat that unless the one you have now is ridiculously oversized, you will likely be replacing. If you are not planning a two story addition, you should be. The extra cost to do it will not be prohibitive when compared to the overall project cost for a single story. Web trusses are worth the extra money over solid 2x8. Were I to do it again, I would not use 2x4 construction, I would go to 2x6, and if code allowed it, 24 on center to maximize R value, and if I could swing it, I would strip the siding off the original structure and clad the entire thing in styrofoam insulation as well. You'll probably have to do a new electrical drop. Don't let anyone disuade you from bringing in 160 or so amps. One hundred amps just doesn't cut it anymore. I will probably be bringing in another 60 amps at some point. So much to think about... b..
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Bill, Not wanting to take anything away from the lady, but if the dogs are introduced to the process gently, they take to it quite willingly. I introduced my fellas to the studio fairly early on in their lives, and they have no problems posing. I anticipate that Wendy's dogs are at least as well socialized as mine. There isn't much bothers a good dog. I'm pretty ignorant as far as dogs go. I had a cat once... Cats are much simpler in that respect... -- Boris
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- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja I'm pretty ignorant as far as dogs go. I had a cat once... Cats are much simpler in that respect... The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). William Robb
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On 12/8/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... -frank (cat lover) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... -- Boris
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On 12/8/05, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... -- Boris Yes, but I'm not advocating that everyone in the world should own a cat, whereas Wheatfield is advocating that everyone in the world should own a dog. My attitude about cat ownership is similar to that of the cats themselves: Whatever... cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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wendy beard wrote: On 12/7/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 7, 2005, at 11:21 AM, wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Very nice doggie portrait. The pastel blue backdrop color is a little jarring against the warm-tones of the dog's coat, though. Godfrey I like the background - it looks less artificial than some... Wendy, is she your dog or a client's or friends? sweet. I can't decide myself if I like the backdrop colour either. It probably is a little cool, but I like the cleanness of it. My favourite backdrop of the moment is black http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 -- I like the lighter background better... the black background looks almost like those paintings on velvet. You always capture good expressions on the doggies, Wendy. Of course Tanja is an artful nude where as the doggie on the black background is porn :) ann Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada
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Boris Liberman wrote: That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... -- Boris I own neither dog nor cat at the moment, and yet my front yard ...
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William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja I'm pretty ignorant as far as dogs go. I had a cat once... Cats are much simpler in that respect... The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). William Robb 'Fraid I disagree. Even some people who now have them, shouldn't.
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and I keep forgetting to chime in with a Me Too about what a great portrait of a beautiful dog that is.
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Nicely done Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811
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Doubtful, very doubtful ... Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax Someone, maybeWilliam Robb, wrote: The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet).
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- Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). As an appreciated pet, a dog thinks to himself: they like me, they must be gods. A cat in the same situation thinks: they like me, I must be a god. Jostein
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From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2005/12/08 Thu PM 03:58:52 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). As an appreciated pet, a dog thinks to himself: they like me, they must be gods. A cat in the same situation thinks: they like me, I must be a god. I know which one is right - but I'm not saying. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
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On 12/8/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an appreciated pet, a dog thinks to himself: they like me, they must be gods. A cat in the same situation thinks: they like me, I must be a god. Dogs have masters Cats have staff -frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson
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That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... -- Boris One of my dogs eats my cats p**p as it's being dispensed. Dog's can be pretty valuable! Tom C.
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As an appreciated pet, a dog thinks to himself: they like me, they must be gods. A cat in the same situation thinks: they like me, I must be a god. Jostein That's the truth! Tom C.
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I have a dog and I'm not so sure... William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja I'm pretty ignorant as far as dogs go. I had a cat once... Cats are much simpler in that respect... The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). William Robb -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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On 8/12/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Dogs have masters Cats have staff ROTFL!! Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _
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Like cats don't poop... frank theriault wrote: On 12/8/05, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The world would be a better place if everyone had a dog (as a pet). That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... -frank (cat lover) -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout).
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Boris Liberman wrote: That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... -- Boris As you well know, Boris, domesticated CATS deposit it in convenient receptacles for collection and disposal. g Doggies deposit it anywhere outdoors (or indoors, if not allowed outside enough), without regard for later retrievable... I've owned a ton of dogs, but only two cats. I love dogs, but I have an affinity for felines, it turns out. My new' wife talked me into it, 18 years ago, and we still have one left. I'm happy with it all. keith
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frank theriault wrote: On 12/8/05, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an appreciated pet, a dog thinks to himself: they like me, they must be gods. A cat in the same situation thinks: they like me, I must be a god. Dogs have masters Cats have staff -frank Ahhh, Frank understand cats. ;-) keith
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keith_w wrote: Boris Liberman wrote: That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... -- Boris As you well know, Boris, domesticated CATS deposit it in convenient receptacles for collection and disposal. g Doggies deposit it anywhere outdoors (or indoors, if not allowed outside enough), without regard for later retrievable... Sighhh. ...retrieval... I've owned a ton of dogs, but only two cats. I love dogs, but I have an affinity for felines, it turns out. My new' wife talked me into it, 18 years ago, and we still have one left. I'm happy with it all. keith
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On 8 Dec 2005 at 17:07, Boris Liberman wrote: That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... They might not flush but at least they can be taught to us a sanitary convenience: http://www.litterkwitter.com.au/ Rob Studdert HURSTVILLE AUSTRALIA Tel +61-2-9554-4110 UTC(GMT) +10 Hours [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~distudio/publications/ Pentax user since 1986, PDMLer since 1998
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I'm in the pet and animal care business. Over the years I've known numerous cats that were trained to use the toilet. I even trained one of mine to do so. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Rob Studdert As if cats don't... They might not flush but at least they can be taught to us a sanitary convenience: http://www.litterkwitter.com.au/
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- Original Message - From: Jostein Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja A cat in the same situation thinks: they like me, I must be a god. Cat's don't think that deeply. William Robb
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Ha, I guess you don't remember that cat poop don't stink BG Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Boris Liberman wrote: That would be a lot of dog poop to scoop up... As if cats don't... -- Boris As you well know, Boris, domesticated CATS deposit it in convenient receptacles for collection and disposal. g Doggies deposit it anywhere outdoors (or indoors, if not allowed outside enough), without regard for later retrievable... I've owned a ton of dogs, but only two cats. I love dogs, but I have an affinity for felines, it turns out. My new' wife talked me into it, 18 years ago, and we still have one left. I'm happy with it all. keith
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I suspect you're being sarcastic. Cat poop stinks because of the poor quality food that most cats are fed. Dry food, commercial food - almost all of it is crap and not what a cat would eat naturally. When fed an appropriate diet of raw meat there is rarely, of ever, any objectionable odor. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller Ha, I guess you don't remember that cat poop don't stink BG
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I suspect you're being sarcastic. Correct a mondo! It's an expression used around work implying that the designated person (whose poop doesn't smell) is better than the rest of us. After all, aren't cats that way? Kenneth Waller (who is currently only tending after one cat) - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja I suspect you're being sarcastic. Cat poop stinks because of the poor quality food that most cats are fed. Dry food, commercial food - almost all of it is crap and not what a cat would eat naturally. When fed an appropriate diet of raw meat there is rarely, of ever, any objectionable odor. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller Ha, I guess you don't remember that cat poop don't stink BG
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Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 18:17:52 + From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax list pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 8/12/05, frank theriault, discombobulated, unleashed: Dogs have masters Cats have staff ROTFL!! Cheers, Cotty Boo refers to me as Jeeves. My supper please.:-) Dave David J Brooks Equine Photography in York Region www.caughtinmotion.com Pentax istD, Nikon D2H
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Is THAT my problem? I better start eating higher quality stuff! Tom C. From: Kenneth Waller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2005 19:16:33 -0500 I suspect you're being sarcastic. Correct a mondo! It's an expression used around work implying that the designated person (whose poop doesn't smell) is better than the rest of us. After all, aren't cats that way? Kenneth Waller (who is currently only tending after one cat) - Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PESO: Tanja I suspect you're being sarcastic. Cat poop stinks because of the poor quality food that most cats are fed. Dry food, commercial food - almost all of it is crap and not what a cat would eat naturally. When fed an appropriate diet of raw meat there is rarely, of ever, any objectionable odor. Shel You meet the nicest people with a Pentax [Original Message] From: Kenneth Waller Ha, I guess you don't remember that cat poop don't stink BG
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Re: PESO: Tanja Tom C Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:31:23 -0800 Is THAT my problem? I better start eating higher quality stuff! Tom C. The wife works for Pet Value in town. I casn mail samples.g Dave(who just took some neat cats photos)Brooks
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If this gets out of hand, i'll post some horse pictures on the days they stay inside. You don't want me to do that.g Dave(pitch fork )Brooks Re: PESO: Tanja Kenneth Waller Thu, 08 Dec 2005 16:17:15 -0800 I suspect you're being sarcastic. Correct a mondo! It's an expression used around work implying that the designated person (whose poop doesn't smell) is better than the rest of us. After all, aren't cats that way? Kenneth Waller (who is currently only tending after one cat)
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If this gets out of hand, i'll post some horse pictures on the days they stay inside. You don't want me to do that.g Dave(pitch fork )Brooks Smells better than cats. Or even dogs for that matter. Powell
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http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Nicely done, Wendy. Before opening I thought it might be a pic of our lost Fairygirl. Joe
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Joseph Tainter wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Nicely done, Wendy. Before opening I thought it might be a pic of our lost Fairygirl. I thought so when I saw the title but realized upon seeing the name of the sender that it probably wasn't.
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Hi! I'm in the pet and animal care business. Over the years I've known numerous cats that were trained to use the toilet. I even trained one of mine to do so. Our cat was toilet trained too. Boris
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Not posted any pics for a bit so thought I'd present a recent shot of Tanja. I have just bought a hot-shoe to PC adapter for the DS so I could try out my new-to-me (of a few months ago) 31mm lens indoors http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada
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Very nice. How was it lit? Powell At 11:21 AM 07/12/2005 , you wrote: Not posted any pics for a bit so thought I'd present a recent shot of Tanja. I have just bought a hot-shoe to PC adapter for the DS so I could try out my new-to-me (of a few months ago) 31mm lens indoors http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada
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On Dec 7, 2005, at 11:21 AM, wendy beard wrote: Not posted any pics for a bit so thought I'd present a recent shot of Tanja. I have just bought a hot-shoe to PC adapter for the DS so I could try out my new-to-me (of a few months ago) 31mm lens indoors http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Very nice doggie portrait. The pastel blue backdrop color is a little jarring against the warm-tones of the dog's coat, though. Godfrey
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On 12/7/05, Powell Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Very nice. How was it lit? http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Like this http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154020 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154021 http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154022 I normally like to use just one main light but was playing around with adding a second to see how it looked. Wendy (yes, I know there's a humungous dust spot on the sensor) -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada
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On 12/7/05, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 7, 2005, at 11:21 AM, wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 Very nice doggie portrait. The pastel blue backdrop color is a little jarring against the warm-tones of the dog's coat, though. Godfrey I can't decide myself if I like the backdrop colour either. It probably is a little cool, but I like the cleanness of it. My favourite backdrop of the moment is black http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 -- Wendy Beard Ottawa Canada
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On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:26 PM, wendy beard wrote: http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53066811 I can't decide myself if I like the backdrop colour either. It probably is a little cool, but I like the cleanness of it. My favourite backdrop of the moment is black http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/53154137 I'm usually not a fan of black backdrops, deep gray or white work best for my eye, but this is a gorgeous photograph. What a beautiful doggie face! I sent the link to a dog lover friend of mine, I'm sure she'll love it. Godfrey
